Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 280 | Missy's Cousin Delivers His Baby with a Drill Bit & How Al Bartered for His Vasectomy

Episode Date: May 21, 2021

Jase is about to blow you away with the crazy story of an extreme home birth, but the way Al paid for his vasectomy might be even more unusual. Al talks about Sadie's difficult labor. Phil discovers there's something he needs to emphasize more about Jesus. Jase explains why so much comes down to who your posse is. And the guys discuss where our built-in conscience comes from, lack of self-awareness, the beauty of being in Christ, and the Robertsons' new series from I Am Second, "Dysfunction to Dynasty." Watch all 8 episodes of "Dysfunction to Dynasty" free: https://www.iamsecond.com/film/dysfunction-to-dynasty/ -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I didn't figure that you two boys, but actually end up knowing as much as you do. So I'm pleasantly surprised when I hear y'all pontificate on anything, even bats. You're wondering how we turned out so smart, right? Well, are you ready?

I'm fixed to blow your mind with what I'm fixed to tell you. Oh, boy. You know, this, this, I am not going to embellish. I'm just going to give you the facts of what happened. And if we had seatbelts in our chairs, I would recommend putting one on. In other words, this is right next to blast off.

Yeah, this just happened. So I'm in Austin, and my assistant is Missy's aunt. It's very hard to describe. So her son would be my, nephew but like in law because it's missy's aunt right

right well she's out of that'd be cousins yeah you'd be that so is that my cousin that'd be your cousin in law in law yeah okay so she's at our house I'm in Austin and we're like having a meeting missy and I and our

because she works for us and she also runs the the Mia move she's missy's aunt but she's not much older of them, which is confusing to me. Because she's Peggy, her mom's younger sister, so they're kind of near the same age. Well, something happens. Her phone starts going off and she just starts becoming real emotional. And I'm like, what's going on? That's common to all women. Well, no comment. So she becomes real emotional and she says, Missy's like, what's going on? And she said, well,

You know, which I wasn't up on the situation, but her son and his wife were expecting a baby. And so they decided, I don't know the reason. I mean, maybe it was because we're coming off this coronavirus or whatever, but they decided they were going to have the baby via the midwife. So that was the plan, right? So midwives are back. They're back. They're not going to the hospital.

we got a midwife, we're going to do this here, they have it all planned out. Well, the midwife wasn't there, and all of a sudden, his wife says, this is happening. So the reason she became emotional is because her son, my cousin-in-law, says, this is happening and the midwife is not here.

So my assistant says, call the midwife. So he gets on Because at this point When I'm hearing this story I'm like this is kind of like You're on an airplane And something happens to the pilot

And now you're you're in the seat You're driving the plane So you call a friend And say, what do I do? So this starts happening And these are young people obviously 20s Yeah this guy's not

He's not in the medical field All right So he knows nothing. And the baby starts coming out, and he just assumes the, you know, the center position, I guess, to make a football analogy. You know, he gets under center and starts calling the plays to his wife. And I'm like, I started getting a little nauseous thinking, what if I was in this situation? Oh, my word. And so he's like, I see the head.

here we go the shoulders get hung and they're just walking him through this and and so look from start to finish it's 40 minutes and when the baby comes out after there was a problem with the shoulders getting hung and i mean he's like you know i had to go up in there and i mean i was just like oh wow well the baby's born but the water hadn't broken and so he's talking this midwife and he's like because they're like, what is going on? It's like, well, there's this sack of fluid over the bed. They're like, you have to bust that because the baby can't breathe. So it was like an anxious, you know, panic-filled moment.

It's like, well, what do I bust it with? She said, whatever is nearby. Oh, my goodness. So he looks over on his nightstand. I mean, he's in his bedroom, has never done this. I hadn't even read a manual. Somebody's telling him he looks over there. He had hung some fixtures using a drill bit.

And so he grabs a drill bit. And you can't make, I told you, puts your seatbelt off. And he breaks the water so the baby can breathe. And 40 minutes start to finish, baby born. When he sent us the pitcher, the cord was still attached. Because he's like, I mean. I got to figure out how do I get this off? Well, they were getting to that step.

I'm going to find some hedge clippers or something to get that off. I mean, this is like tool time comes to the birthday. So my cousin-in-law and then about about when all the fuss was over, the midwife shows up. So he's like, done. But it made me think, we're paying tens of thousands of dollars to these people out here delivering these babies. And I guess, you know, in case something goes wrong as well. Why you do that? Well, because the birth of a child, as you just described, it's quite the happening.

I mean, it's a violent, precarious situation. I compared it when I watched Jepa being born, y'all's younger brother, to the gutting of a hog. Oh, good. I mean, I just looked down and I saw all that was going on there. The gutting of a hog. I thought, I don't know. You question these women from time to time. I said, but I officially saluted womanhood worldwide when I saw Ms. Kay have a child.

I said, you know what? I said, I don't think men could stand that. Well, and in this case, with your cousin-in-law, I mean, the fear factor would be, and I would have the same thing since I don't know any. I mean, I would be, if you mess up here or feel like you messed up, I mean, literally your son or don't. daughter. Was that a boy or girl? My, I have to think. All the confusion did I ever get? Oh, that's pretty good.

It was a girl? So the baby and mother are doing well. What's the upside? Oh, everybody. The upside was I walked outside feeling like I could do anything. Yeah. I really did. I thought, here's a couple. in their house and they're, you know, they're doing something, I guess, unique. So the idea they didn't want it in a hospital because they didn't want it to catch a coronavirus. No, I don't know the reason. No, I think there's a movement now across our culture.

I've been hearing about this more about people wanting to have their children at home. Because there's something going on with like the one I was reading about the wife is in the bathtub full of water. And you have the child in the water, you know, that's supposed to be. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure somebody out there listening will tell us what all this stuff is about. But there seems to be kind of a movement to get away from the whole hospital thing. But now,

Sadie just had a baby, you know, last week, her daughter. And, but the problem was, Jase, from what was told to us,

she had the same situation with her daughter's shoulders. They're real wide, which, you know, after seeing her husband, I can see why she's married to Captain America. And her, the shoulders got hung up.

She said every nurse, in there because his nine-pound baby that said he had was on top of her stomach to push that daughter out i mean three or four nurses which sounds just like tough but i mean it was like a panic moment well to show you sort of a little sequence uh event uh i was born in 46 but prior to to me being born and i think tommy too the first three they just had them at home Yeah. Ma just had them in your house. In this case, a log cabin.

I mean, you know, it looked like if you'd walked up there, except for the old Ford car sitting there, you'd have thought it was 1850s instead of 19. But anyway, but they had them, they had a midwife, usually kinfolks, aunts, you know, your mother's sister, they'd have somebody that would be there. And they just had them. They didn't go to clinic or anything else.

I mean, just raw bones it the whole way. Yeah. Well, that was about two or three ahead of me. But by the time they got more sophisticated of the time my birthday was ready to happen. So they had it. They go to clinic, drive to a clinic. You know, but they're out in the next day. I mean, they just walk out and, you know, have the habit.

What was the name of the old doctor? She always used to say. Party. Yeah, Dr. Party. I always heard that story. It was a girl. I remember now. This is his feet.

You took a doc and Matt Dillon, you know. know, Dr. Pardee, my mom would say, I'd be a little kid. I've been sewn up, you know, one time I galsed a big scar, still a big scar that right in my leg there. So stuff like that, he'd just walk up there and Dr. Pardier, yeah, man, he'll be all right. He said, let me see what here. He'd go over, you know, of course, I don't remember any deadening.

No, they just suck it up. But he passed it up, and she said, what I owe you, Dr. Pardee. He said, all about a buck. she'd come out with one dollar Give my daughter You walk out and get back Your old car drive Times have changed

When do you say There was a girl We never heard of insurance Or Medicare, Medicaid None of that They named her river Life was far more simple In those days

But I'm just going to tell you boys Y'all are young bucks younger I say y'all young Y'all going to be middle-aged And I'm No, we're already there You're catching me But I'm just saying

Life was a lot more simpler then much more simple. But it was, it was the way to roll. Well, even in my lifetime, does it? I mean, it was just to. You carried on the same tradition. The first urologist that you saw, I wound up, say, he's dead now. He was kind of an old salty guy, duck hunter.

And so you traded him some fish for him to see years ago. Yeah. And so I thought, hmm, that seems like a pretty good deal there. And so when I had a vasectomy done, and so when I was like, how much this is going cost me? Probably about two opuluses catfish dressed. Be good to go. Bartering, it's a great system.

I mean, so they are. So I basically traded a vasectomy for two opuloses catfish. I don't like that deal. Not blue cat, ops. It had to be ops. Yeah, I know. He knew the difference. I don't like anything about the deal, you know.

I have a rule of them. No metallic instruments are allowed below the belly button for any reason. Yeah, you wait until that old prostate charge going on you. You know what? I'll deal with it. And because I said, I'm not going to fool with these doctors, but when I started crawling toward the bathtub and look down, and look, you're talking about the old prostate, the old testicles,

they both get about the size of that cup right there. You say, okay, that old doctor said, oh, he'll be back. He told him, okay, he'll call me. She said, he ain't coming back. Well, I did, but it was crawling. You talk about rough. Well, I said I was going to break the chain on that. I have any prostate issues, which I'm starting to have now because genetic.

I said, I'm going to the doctor early and often because I don't want to be down on my hands. So two different issues, but you're saying there what? There is. I should have an amendment to allowing it a medical, I mean a metal instrument below the belly. My question. If I developed what exactly was the call prostate problem. But the bottom line is I thought that about that. You know what I'm saying, you know, the old way, the barding way, the charge of a daughter to go see a doctor.

It was a great way to live. And not very many hospital visits at all. But you know, I just thought about that. When these old men started having prostate problems, you know, back in the day, these old cats, you know, they lived to be old as a hills. Well, but when they had prostate problem, what did they do? Well, they suffer. I want to say suck it up, but there ain't no sucking this up.

I do think if you go back, the life expectancy probably was younger than it is now. Well, no doubt it was. Because, you know, and eventually prostate cancer, you know, I mean, there's, you know, but you're right. It was mostly later in life. And, I mean, you've got to die of something. But it'd be a painful way to do it. I knew some old people and I said, Mom, what's that?

What's wrong with Mr. What's that on his head? And she said, oh, that's a big cancer he's had. He said, since he's about 20 and just be a big growth, big growth on the side of his head. He lived about 95. Oh, my goodness. Finally passed on. Finally got him. You got by with less, that's for sure.

Let's take a break. Well, Jay's you're right. My mind is blown. So it was a girl you found out. It was a girl. I knew it was, but look, I have trouble when I tell that story now, getting past the drill bit. Because, boy, when that happened, there was something inside of me, said, yes.

Okay. So what were your tools? You know, because I can hear him saying, so there I was. My wife. The baby's coming out. I took a drill bit. And in less than an hour. Oh, he's got a story now.

baby born. All the movies, though, they get like boiling water and strips of linen. I don't know. Hot water was the first thing they asked for. I'll tell you something else, too. I left this out of the story, but it's a key component. He did all this by himself with his three-year-old saying, Daddy, what's this?

Daddy, what are we done? Daddy. So just to make it, yeah, we have a three. I hate to ask this, but what line of work is it to do then? Well, he's not delivering babies. I tell you that. That's why I asked, what's he decided he's going to be a delivering? He's designing houses and he's an architect in that world.

And the three-year-old was present for the whole thing. That child will never be the same. I mean, that's quite the thing to witness. You know, if you wanted a family bonding moment, if you need something to tell you that we as a family can do anything, and make just deliver your own baby with a drill bit that that pretty well you don't have nowhere to go but up most of the time at water breaks before we get to that i know i thought that was crazy i've never even heard it yeah i mean my favorite line of the entire thing was the midwife is whatever you can find i mean at that

point forget bowling water we need this baby breathing yeah so and he's like up had a drill bit in arms reach. I mean, I was just, the redneck inside of me was like, okay. But just think about that for just a minute. We've been talking a lot about God, the creator, and from what is seen, leaves you without excuse. Think about what you just described. So a baby for nine months is living in a sack of water and breathing it. And other fluids. Yeah. And breathing. You know, and breathing. You know, know, under, like, you know, underwater, but you can't do once you're born.

Once they cut that sack, then you're breathing air from that point forward. Man. How crazy is that? I mean, like, what could come up? What do you say that? What department and saltwater came up with that plan? Yeah.

Well, it leads back to our last podcast of what we're saying. For you to believe that this all just happened randomly in all this sophistication and really, intellect and details is coming from just nothing, nothingness, which would be from an intellectual view, just an idiot, a dumbfounded plan. It doesn't make sense. All the other living things, when it comes to human beings, they don't have the law or certain group, the Gentiles.

They didn't know anything about the law of Moses. you say, so how could God say they were sinful? They didn't have a code to break. So Romans chapter 2 that's coming up, they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts. The old conscience, the conscience is there. Their conscience is also bearing witness. This is not right, but I'm going to do it anyway.

But something is telling them. You say, where's that coming from? Well, the animal world, you can train them, but they don't deal with the issues that human beings deal with. This old thing about we came from animals, and that's where we got our conscience. You're like, hmm, their thoughts now are accusing even defending them. You do something, and your conscience says, at first it says, why'd you do that? You know better than that. And you're like, you feel this guilt.

Then the next thing your conscience might do, it begins to defend you by saying this to you. Well, everybody else is doing it. I mean, I'm not as bad as that guy. I'm not as bad. Well, that's Romans chapter two about those. You therefore have no excuse. You who passed judgment on someone else. The cancel culture comes to mind.

I got a book on it coming out. For at whatever point you judge the other, you're condemning yourself because you who passed judgment do the same things. That's right. So you look at it, you say, can't be any accusations unless you're sin free. It's like when Bobo goes up to the end of the road, when some of the dogs up here in Jimmy Red's empire go in heat, he doesn't come back feeling bad about his whole immoral situation. No. He doesn't even bat an eye, does he? I mean, that's the difference in us and him.

You know, it's interesting because with my grandkids, I mean, they're so obvious. Like, they'll do something wrong. They'll be doing something they've been told not to do. And you walk in a room and you look at them and they have a look on their face that you know instantly you're doing something you're not supposed to. What are you doing? What are you got there? It's so it's built into us to have this conscience idea. It takes a while to understand the implications of it.

Boy, it's amazing, Al. I mean, and Phil, you know, we talked about last podcast that, you know, we attacked the excuses because when you try to attack the behavior, you know, people argue right and wrong or, you know, they justify what they do or, but when you attack the excuse, and I brought up that Colossians 1 because you become an enemy of God in your mind first, you know, to detach yourself from the idea that God. created this and to justify the way you live and decisions you make and who you hang out with, you come up with these excuses in your mind. But even to your point, what's amazing to me is two of the excuses I think for why people don't surrender to Jesus is they're on two opposite extreme. Some people think they're too bad. They're like, well, I'm too far gone. Well, some people think they don't need guy because they're good on their own and you see that they're in the same camp but one of them says i like my life i don't and another person's like i don't like my life but i

can't be forgiven so that's what's strange to me on how you know this spiritual war we have is that it's just hard the reason we we talk about this for hours right is that it's just it's hard to put everything in a simple little box because we're all individuals. We're all different. You know, even when I, to go back to their baby being born, just think of the trust there. You know, I'm looking at it because I'm a man. I'm looking at it from the man's perspective. But what about his wife? She's sitting there. No pain medication. It's already traumatic. No epidurals. You're looking to the doctor for confidence. Oh, no. It's my husband with a drill bit in his hand. I'm like, this woman needs, I mean, the trust factor there, you know, just us as humans.

And I think that leads to another excuse, which is what he got into, which was the whole point of your sermon, which led to last time, is there's different lanes on this broad road to destruction. There's different excuses because it all comes down to your posse, really. You know, we all have people that we're around that influence us and we have our own ideas and our own excuses in our mind but it's really hard when you have around you people are saying ah there's no god those people or they're a bunch of hypocrites and they're or you're you know you're good enough you're a good moral person because he addresses the different ways but still it comes down to that excuse because he just said you can see god's invisible powers right then he gets to chapter two which so he's

into the different types of behaviors, you know, I'm a pretty good moral person. But in his first line is, you therefore, have no excuse. I mean, it keeps going back to how you justify your existence and the decision. Well, and I think part of it was in verse 32, which is kind of a transition when dad read that last time, not only do they do these things, but also approve of those who practice them. You know, you think about it if a person looks at most of the the world and says, you know, they're terrible. I mean, those people, they're doing terrible stuff, but you know, what do I care as long as you don't affect me with it?

A lot of people are like that. They don't have any God conscious themselves. They don't want to be, as long as you don't get into my life in my world, I don't care what you do. And it's this same mindset that you see here. You're still without excuse, just like the other people are. Just because you compare yourself to them doesn't mean anything. It's kind of a lack of self-awareness more than anything.

When you look at this. Hang on, just. When you look at the spiritual thing, you know, a lot of that, you know, my cousin-in-law having that experience and, you know, and his wife, I look at that from a spiritual viewpoint as in, you know, we're born again when Jesus told Nicodemus, he had to be born again. And all the, even from the water not breaking, I thought, you know, I thought the same thing about the water had to be broken. He had to do it.

But, you know, he could have made a lot of excuses. number one being, I'm not qualified to do this. But he didn't do that. It's his wife. He waited a little late on contacting the midwife. It might just turn a little bit of a corner to them. It's just like, it went from, oh, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. We got all this planned out to stop the presses.

This baby's coming out now. And so because of love, he bypassed all the excuses. And I thought about that from a spiritual view because it's messy and it takes courage and to bring someone to Christ. But you think about we're doing the same thing. We're out there sharing Jesus with people. We have them in our homes and it's messy. And sometimes it's, it's, you know, you're scared or, you know, whatever.

whatever the situation is. And you can always make an excuse on why you shouldn't do it. But that love for changing eternal destiny is really what it gets down to saying, we want new births to occur. That's right. And I think it's a good analogy. The beauty of hearing the gospel and obeying it and being in Christ, the beauty of it, because you got that Roman chapter two that he's fixing to come up with.

But the beauty of this is, let's see, everyone who sins breaks the law. In fact, sin is lawlessness, but you know he appeared so that he might take away our sins in this little phrase in lieu of what the Apostle Paul said in Romans. Because after I read that about the conscience, this will take place. you say, some kind of replay. Not for the ones in Christ, because in Christ, in Him, he appeared so that he might take away sins, and in Him is no sin. So when the replay begins at Judgment Day, the replay is only for the wicked. And all of them that justify out all these things that their conscience said, what are you doing?

Their sins are going to come forward. So this is why you're going to perish. Right. You had the opportunity to have this taken care of being in my son. You wouldn't even be counted as a sin at all. In Jesus is no sin. So it's protection. The person you're in, it's like, you know, the cauldron in the middle of the earth is generating this force field that keeps from meeting the earth.

It's protection there. When you get in Jesus, no replay. Yeah. They just, God just looked at you, said, I don't see any sin. Oh,

you're the one. You're the one of the ones that embraced my son. No sin for you. So it's pretty cool because he said this will take playoff on the day when God will judge men's secrets.

All the things you thought, that replay, it ain't going to lie. Through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. So the gospel comes forth. The only place it comes forth, by the way,

and three chapters from 118 to 320. There's no good news. It's all bad news. Even that, you say the gospel is going to declare you innocent. Innocent. Where was that at? What text you in your first John? Yeah, that's Roman 2.

And I read First John, chapter 3, verse 4. So it takes away that excuse us we talked about, I think on the last podcast about the excuse of, well, you're a hypocrite because you still sin. but they never understand that Jesus took all our sin. I mean, so the idea about living unashamed is not just what Paul said, I'm unashamed to the gospel, but I live without shame. Yeah. Because even when I mess up, that's why he died for me. As long as I'm willing to profess my allegiance to Christ, he takes care of very much.

We probably don't stress the mediating work in the relationship we have with God where no sins being counted against you. You know, you can't live like the devil who you, you know, just get up and do what's right. and your mistakes you make as you go forward, they're not counted against you. You're in a position where the sins can't get to you. Even though you make them, the blood is removing, even your future sins.

Well, we probably need to stress that a little more to people. Oh, you're right. But I think a hidden theme in Romans is, because he says in Romans that I brought up before, in Romans 1, 17, and then he reiterates it from a different perspective in chapter 3 and 22, 21 and 22, that this righteousness, this freedom, this forgiveness, it's coming from God.

It's not coming from your own human performance. That's correct. Because no matter what lane you're in on the road to destruction, whether you're, what were your categories, Al? So you got the deprave lane, which is the first one. That's that wide. Which is Romans 1. 18 to 32.

Okay. Then what's the next? Get that Bible out of my face. Yeah, that's the guy who he hates God and hates people who. Consciousness have been seared. You don't feel a start, you don't even feel bad about what you're doing anymore. Or it's a guy who has some faith but has like a double light. I mean, it's doing more disruptive.

I discussed these matters with Corolla on his podcast, and then they had the ones and 90-something percent of the people said, you know, that was a great discussion between an atheist and a guy who follows Jesus. So when no one was mean, we just, he laid out his agenda and I laid out Jesus. But some guy, his only response was, Phil Robertson, I strongly dislike you. I strongly dislike you. That's all he said. I'm sure he's one of many. So the middle lane, what I call the middle lane, I see it as three lanes. From Romans, though. From Romans. Yeah.

The middle lane is what I call the comparative lane, and that's the person we're describing. They only compared themselves to somebody else. What you notice this, if you're in that lane, if you're this person from Romans 2, 1 through 16, then you never have a self-awareness. That was the problem. Your only awareness is compared to somebody else. It's called self-seeking. That's exactly. You were self-seeking the entire time with your visit on planet Earth.

Exactly. So you're ignoring the same things as the other class. You just think you're a better person, which you're not, which is his point. And so I think that's the middle. And then the third lane is the ones who have the law, which specifically Paul was a Jew. So he said, you know, you think because you know the law, because you have the law, that that makes you better, but it doesn't because you can't keep it. But I will have to say, because there's no excuse. We've already, we've already. determine that. But I sympathize with, you know, the Jew being God's chosen people. And when I went to Israel, I've sensed that in my discussions with them because I kept, you know, a lot of the people I talked to, they just thought, Jesus was a good man, but it wasn't the son of God. They stop at Malachi. Right. And I get it because of their history and they have the law. And but, but still, Paul made it pretty clear. Very clear. He started off saying, we've declared this Jesus through the Spirit of Holiness as the Son of God by the resurrection of the dead, Jesus Christ, our Lord.

And then when he gets to chapter 3 in verse 22, it's like, this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. Because if we just have the law apart from law. Yeah. And we have our ability to keep it as cool as it was that God gave it to you. You're just not going to be good enough. Yeah, I know. Let's take another break. James 210 always comes to me because to me, the only success that I've seen in that discussion is that verse.

Because it's like you can keep the whole law, which is incredible. and yet stumble at one point, I'm quoting James 2.10, and you're guilty of breaking all of it. I mean, what a dash to all those things that you thought, well, I'm better than, I'm better than most. That's right. Better than most. So sometime I want to preach a sermon called A Tale of Two Pharisees because Paul, obviously, he was Saul, but when he was struck down on that road, it had some. such a huge impact on him that he immediately became something different. Oh, yeah.

I mean, no doubt about it. He was unique. But, you know, the Nicodemus is, I think, more of a picture of what you're describing to a Jewish Pharisee that started questioning everything he thought he knew when he met Jesus. And so when you go back to John 3 and you start reading about him when he first appears with Jesus, I think that's, and then over time you start seeing it, he'll pop up a little bit later.

and then finally at the end, of course, he takes Jesus' body down. So we know he became a believer. But he was over time. That's why I love how that show that I'm a big fan of, The Chosen. And we're working on. It's going to happen. It's happening. It's happening.

We're going to get the creator, director, yeah, of that show on here. But I love how they portrayed Nicodemus in that show that, I mean, they got it from, from here. Right. But even there's one moment in there where they captured really in his mind. His, Nicodemus is looking, Jesus and his followers.

And you see his mind working. Nothing that said. You just see his mind working of, what are the consequences of me following them? Yeah. And his whole world would come crashing down. on how he's viewed. And that's why I said about how you're,

one of the biggest excuses is your posse who you're hanging out with and how you're going to be viewed because you know, well, yeah, you're looking at all the benefits of Christ. Great. But then you're like, but how will I be viewed?

Look, I really struggle with this as a teenager coming to Christ because I knew if I do this, I am not going to be viewed favorably in a public high school. it's just not going to happen. And what I really struggle with is, it's just the cheesiness of it. Because I always looked at people at church as like,

oh, these have got to be the cheesiest people in the world. You know, they're not athletic. They don't, you know, play games or have fun. Or it just, in my mind, that was what, that was going to be a big struggle. Of course, once I got in, I realized that was all just in my mind. Right.

Well, I think of this third lane, me personally, I think sort of a lot of the modern church, you know, around the world, especially in our culture in America, we kind of fit more in this category to me of thinking you got it all on straight. Yeah. You know. Oh, I agree. I mean, I relate more. There's no need to come to car. Oh, I'm good. That's right.

And when you're not, and it's just not having an awareness. Plus, you notice Paul uses not only talk about the law, but it's. in verse 25 of chapter 2, he brings up circumcision, which we've talked a lot about that on the podcast, about that being this mark. You know, obviously it was instituted by God with Abraham, but he says circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you become as though you had not been circumcised. If those who are not circumcised, keep the law's requirements, will they not be regarded

as though they were circumcised? So he's making the point that just because you have this physical, mark, spiritually, you're still corrupt if you can't embrace Jesus. You miss it. It comes down to the parable of the sewer. If you look at it, the seed fell on the first one. He just didn't get it. Didn't understand.

The evil one snatched away what was sown in his heart. He can't believe and be saved. Deprave lane. The brave lane. So the next one, oh, he says, man, that's it. That's what I've been waiting. Well, here comes persecution and whatnot because of the word. that he just obeyed, quickly falls away.

That's two, two out of two. The third one, the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth and the things that happened to you while you're on the earth, you get all tangled up. It just can't grow too many weeds. It's out. But the one, it stuck was the one with a good and honest heart. Now that one produces a crop. It's one out of four, not real good odds, but at least it's a thing you can look

within the parameters of it. And you say, you know, this thing is, this gospel, it's, when the seeds planted, better be honest about, better be honest with God and say, well, here's my sins. I got a lot of them. And it's by your mercy and grace that I'm going to get out of here. That's right. I'm going to exercise both to my neighbor. Right.

I mean, the bottom line is you got to be real. And, I mean, look, I'll, I'll say this right here. when people try to say complimentary things to me or even our family I always try to get it back to God's in control this is what's what you think what you're viewing as me

oh y'all have helped me out of that's the Holy Spirit of God it ain't me you know miss and I just this past week we uh we went and visited a couple of friends who are a couple of hours from Austin but she was like, what do you want to do today? And I was like, let's go see our buddies. You know, and Brian, because I love having in our group now

on the other side of, you know, from BC before Christ in our lives to our posse, they were not back then. They were giving me terrible advice and information. But now, you know, after our encounter with Jesus, we try to have close people in our lives who encourage us and help us, and we're all on the same page. And there's a couple of their last name are the Van Normans. They live in Brian, Texas.

And they have an old house that was built in like, I don't know, 1890. So I was like, let's go there. I'll find the treasures in their yard. And you can see the house, and you can talk to Casey's, her name. And Justin is the guy. And she met them on a mission trip. I think it was Nicaragua. I am.

That's how she met him. And Casey has written several books that Missy said, I read that book. And I was like, oh, please be my friend. Because she's like, I love this girl. And so they're two of our good friends. I tell you this story to say this. You know, when you think you have it all together and everything's going to go, because we have a tendency to do that,

you don't recognize that we're all flawed we all struggle we all need encouragement because when we went there we just had a day with us beautiful day and we talked and when we got in the vehicle to go home missy her first word she said i needed that and i said you know what i did too and she got kind of teary eye and they weren't trying to encourage us they just did yeah we're doing the same things that You know, she's a counselor and deals with people, and they just love the Lord and they love people. But you realize in that moment that we're weak. We always get sidetracked. We get all, we need each other to get our focus on back to where the true power is coming,

which is God and His Spirit and what we have in Jesus. And that's how we do it. They weren't trying to encourage this. They just did. So, so what, let's take one last break. So what you're describing is community, which is we'll get there in this in the Roman study. But, you know, it's interesting. So I preached the sermon yesterday, which I'm like you.

And people say, man, you know, you knocked out of the park. You did a good job. All the accolades you get after a sermon. But I'm like you. I mean, when I pray every time I speak, every time, whether it's preaching or just sharing, I pray that the Holy Spirit will say what he needs to say through. I'm just a vessel. And so if it's bad, that means I got in the way.

If it's great, that means I got out of the way and the Holy Spirit to do what he was supposed to do. That's how it's supposed to work, right? Because we have a tendency to always make excuses, you know? I mean, they may be now, well, I'm tired. Or, you know, I'm nobody, people are not responding or that's why you always need encouragement along the way is that we are flawed. I mean, we screw this up in the beginning and we have a tendency to screw up.

screw this up after we're in Jesus. We just get off track. I think a good question to ask yourself since Romans seems to be focusing on that is what's my excuse? I mean, it's a really good question. When you look at who Jesus is, because that's what led to this whole letter. He's like, we're all in different lanes. We all have different forms of idolatry and we rationalize. And we are in these physical bodies. And we get tired. and we make mistakes and we do all these things. But we then justify how we live our life based on those excuses. And sometimes in life you notice that when people encourage you.

You know, I mean, we're all doing the same thing, but I told you about this day we had, I think it was a God orchestrated arrangement. I mean, it just popped in my head. Let's go see them. But I really realized once we were there, oh, man, we needed this. I just felt like ready to take on the world after that. And look, they might have felt the same way.

But from my perspective, I'm like, man. So what's interesting is then, you know, a day later, I'm speaking in front of this group of people. But my fire's been kindled. You know, I've been talking to someone who they're spiritually mature in the Lord and just being around them, they're the type of people. you punch them and just verses come out.

It wasn't like they were just, you know, had a plan for you. That's like your conversation is just, and so, you know, we've talked a lot of the last two sessions about excuses, but one of the ways on the post side of coming to Christ that you can do to, that's the opposite of excuses, is get people, seek out people who love Jesus, Jesus, that you're around.

Yeah. You know, and I'm helping my kids every time when we have a moment of like they go off the, you know, parenting's tough. And you're like, what are we going to do? That's one of the first thing. I'm like, you need to find people and seek them out who can help you spiritually. Because the reason these people pop in your head is the same reason that they will help you. That's right.

Yeah, everybody should. The good display of that was when Stone's little daughter got a little touch of some mischief on the internet. Boy, I've never seen a family structure rally around her. That seems like they did. Exactly. We all did. Because it does, you know, the old Hillary Clinton line, it takes a village.

It does take a community of people to be there. If you take the top five encouraging people from your phone, not you, Phil, because you don't have one, but you're a rolodex. You have the old time. No, he didn't, Mama has a roller days. He has, like, pieces of paper taped to the wall, which is there is. My little time of my left. What they're going to do, the reason they're in your top five is they do the same thing as Paul did to the Romans.

Because he came that person to these people. He tried to get them to get their focus back on where the power source and where the glory and the credit should come from. And by the way, that's God's plan through Jesus. That little dissertation he went on in that Romans one and two. and then now next the Jewish people. I mean, it pretty well covers all of humanity. And you get that down now. You say, but amazingly, the sins are identical to the ones 2,000 years.

This is written 2,000 years ago. That's a long time. Well, and not only that, it's common. So Jason's right. To live unashamed is to be able to be open and to be honest, to self-reflect. I mentioned on the last podcast on I, I am second.com. They have done a kind of an update on original story about dad, Jeff, and Reed, Jay's your oldest.

And now they've cut those into new episodes. They've added Lisa and I as well as Phyllis. But on that, it's called from dysfunction to dynasty. That's the name of the series, Jay's. And I love it, the idea that we're all dysfunctional. And the people say, oh, they come from a dysfunctional family. We're all dysfunctional without Christ. I mean, so how do you build a dynasty only through Jesus.

I mean, only through the Holy Spirit. It's the only way it's ever going to happen. You're not going to do it any other way. I'm always, you know, Lisa and I speak to an audience, and they're always surprised. And it's funny, they're not surprised that we struggled. They're surprised we're willing to talk about. And I think that's the difference. I mean, I think that's what leaving unashamed is all about.

You're willing to just admit it. I love Reed's episode on this dysfunctional dynasty because he was a teenager. he was having struggles that a lot of teens have, and he was willing to talk about it. I mean, that's how you impact people. Yeah. Well, I was bringing up this, you know, this couple of the Van Norman. I mean, what drew us to them is, well, I'm telling you, when they tell their story,

it's his blunt. I think she wrote a book called Raw Faith is Raw. And, but that's the common. Van Norman, that would be Swiss. Dutch, maybe. You know, never have the Van Norma. I love it because she calls her husband the governor. The governor?

The governor. There's something about it. I love these people. He looks like he's a bull rider. I'm going to at least start calling me the governor. He looks like he just come off a bull. He just has that, got the cowboy hat. But if your woman is calling you the governor, that means he had a pretty good skill set, whatever he's doing.

That's a good sign. I don't like that. You know, I looked in their yard, but whoever owned it before they did, evidently to make the grass look so good, they brought in a lot of dirt. So I didn't find a whole lot. And he was kind of tagging along watching me, you know, like, well, what? Because ultimately he's thinking, man, we might find, you find a bar of gold here. We're going to get things all right.

But all I. You got to pay the governor, day. I didn't find a whole lot. I found three wheat pennies and a lot of clag coins, but I found this one object that we couldn't figure out what it was. It turned out it was the tooling off of a machine because it had a patent number on it. It was like in the year it was like 1870 something. It was they made buttonholes.

And so I said, so whoever lived here at some point. 100 years ago, they had to be in some kind of fashion or clothing because this is off a machine and it was old that made buttonholes. And he's like, that's interesting. I'm not sure it's going to be life changing. Well, Al, we go from this podcast to the meal I have presented for all. What have you got? We're going to drive a short distance. This is called sticky chicken. I like the sticky chicken. Sticky chicken. I was actually nervous on what you were fixing to say.

Heavy on the garlic. Heavy on the garlic. Pan-fried chicken, put it in the oven, iron and a half. But you fry it, you brown it on top of the stove. This is a John Foals recipe, right? John Foals coming right out of, his mother used to fix it. Sticky chicken is one of my favorite. Deep South Louisiana.

There you go. I like it. Sticky chicken. We'll let you know how it turns out. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. and don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes.

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