Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 281 | Phil's Big Embarrassment, When Al & Lisa Made the National Enquirer & Living with Our Past

Episode Date: May 23, 2021

Phil is pumped about the Running of the Ops and tells the story of his all-time greatest catch of Opelousas catfish. He also shares the details on how to make his famous sticky chicken recipe. Jase offers encouragement after Phil reveals the embarrassment he feels when he watches his testimony in his new "I Am Second" series. Al remembers when he and Lisa were the subject of a scandalous National Enquirer "scoop." Dan the Eunuch gets harassed for not wearing a mask. Jase recalls his huge crush on Olivia Newton John in "Grease," but was it innocent Sandy or the leather-clad bad girl? And the guys discuss what "circumcision of the heart" means and why we have to decide to trust in Christ. Watch all 8 episodes of "The Robertson Family: Dysfunction to Dynasty" free: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXTVgPUVBO2_IHZPnz0iIRnAFtnhUD7dY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? All right. Well, we're down on the riverbank. Some years, we are in the river. Most years, we're nearly in the river. This year, the water's down a little bit. But it is May. And all of my listeners, I know, our listeners, y'all all understand that the ops run in May. See, you give America a statement like, that. The ops run in May. They're thinking, okay, that bunch, what's he talking about? We're talking opalusus catfish. Think about a horse with that color

code and you say that's a... Which is the Apollosa. And by the way, somebody attempted to correct me, but now I have to correct the corrector because either one applies to this fish. Apollusas or Appaloosa. They're called both. Well, not just call them ops.

Or Ops. Or yellow The Cuella. Tabby cats. Tabby cats. They call them flatheads. Flatheads. People noodle these where when they spawn, I guess they spawned April, May every year. They think these hoop nets are a log.

Or stump, yeah. And a female will get in there. And then all the males say, hey. Just so our listeners will know one time I reached down, it was May, the ops were running. and Opelousa, see, that's a particular brand of catfish. He's a live bait feeder. He is better eating than the blues. A lot of blue cat, different kinds, about three different kinds of blue cat.

But ops are our favorite. Because they don't eat anything dead. That's right. I ran a net yesterday. I put it out just right. They used to have 100 hook nets out when I was fishing for a living. now I have one one set I went out there three or four days ago I had one buffalo no catfish I said we'll give it a little time they'll come well two days goes by three so I ran them

yesterday and I eased them up on a look and there's two ops in there just the right size to eat about three four pounders how did that make you feel in that moment yeah when you saw 50 years of doing this my heart leaped with joy and I had Dan with him I said Dan I said we got an op in here I said wait a minute there's two of them we had an old gar stuck in the front of it so we got him out there we had a buffalo threw him back in the water one little blue cat threw him back I saved the ops and you bleed them like a hog when you get them back in there on that back fin where he'll bleed out as they say I just noticed Phil you're bleeding today yeah you're actually bleeding like a stuck pig

that's one I got that fin in me yesterday right here oh really so I'm just I'm moving it around until it'll dry out. But anyway, I remember one time, I would say 35 years ago, 40 maybe, I went out there and I had a big six-foot tall hook net. And you'd have to know a hook-hook net that the current holds it open like an accordion. It stretches out. It's on the bottom of the river. Well, I go up to this set and I start up with that net.

and when the net came to the top, I had about 15 or 20 ops in the net, up to 35 or 40 pounds apiece. Yeah, I remember. I mean, it was a load. So I looked down and when I came up on both sides of the net, outside the net. They were not in the net.

They were outside of it. When I started coming up of that net, what was going on underwater is there was about 50. or 20 ops in the net, they can't get out. They don't know how to get out. But on both sides of the net, they were just right there with them. There was a female in the mix there, you know, so it was a spawning type D.

Or crowd had gathered. Well, when I came up, all those that were not in the net, they just came up with the net. They just eased up like a submarine coming off the bottom. They just all came up. Well, I'm looking at a thousand pounds of op on both sides of the net and the ones that are in it and I looked down I said you're trying to figure out if you could get them yeah I'm looking down at them and they just you know they just come up out of the and it just looked like some gigantic and they just came up beside them some of them great big ops and when I

looked down my heart went to pound and I said that's a lot of catfish swirling around one net so I come on in the net with it whoever's with me one in them boy one in boy jace or somebody women they helped me get it all i think it was old curly don foster but they helped me get the net over in the boat and i mean the boat came alive but big old catfish hit you and knocking real round you know because these things are powerful yeah but anyway that was the greatest op catch i've ever participated in you know it's funny you mentioned curly don so i saw him this past sunday at wfr and he told me he had baptized his sister uh about a week ago well well you know and i said you know Curly, I said, just looking at you here, because I guess he's about your age,

John, Jay. He's about 50-ish. Oh, we kind of ran together. Back in the day. He was one of those that we just kind of took in under our reign. I baptized Curley Donne. He's about 15, 14. 17, 18.

You know how you, you remember meeting him? He was, basically the creek was frozen, which is a rare occurrence down here. Yep. And you looked out, you walked out the door and heard the ice breaking. You said, what's that? Then you're like, there's some idiots. trying to bust ice going up the creek, which you said must be young boys because they're not going to make it.

They had a boat and a paddle. And they were breaking ice with a paddle. And I walked up there and I looked down at them, two young folks, and they looked up and I said, what's y'all doing? They said, we're going to go up to creek here. I said, it's all frozen, three inches of ice. And I said, you're not going to make it.

I said, not in that boat. with the i said do y'all want to die this early so that's where his conversion story started well i tell it i reminded him of that sunday i said kind of morphed out from there i said curley i said can you believe i said that was 35 to 40 years ago when dad ran up on you on that frozen cypress creek and here you are you know teaching your sister about the lord i said i guess the almighty's been pretty good for you he told me about it later he said his buddy and i said what are y'all doing where you're going and they looked up up and he said his buddy whispered to him he said that's a duck commander he was whispering you know yeah why was he whispered i said i tell you what i'll take y'all up the

creek and uh i actually put them in my boat we went up there and had a little duck wagging because the woodies were it was all iced up so they were going on the end of the river we went on the edge of the river out there it was flowing yeah so we had a pretty good little shoot you know about law and shot him after dark i don't know I hope not. Of course that never happened. I did some things back in my younger days that I wouldn't do now. Yeah.

You know what's interesting is. Maybe I caught the two options yesterday, and they called Phyllis and Tony, the artist that's doing all the artwork parts. And they have some guests in town. They had some guests in town, so I call them up. I said, look, it's five, it's four 30. I said, at 5 o'clock, fresh Apollososos's cats, all you need. I said, you said, I might want to come back for that.

I said, but I need somebody to help me with a slaw or some sort of, so send one of the hours and they will be there. How much did they weigh a piece? Ah, about three and a half, four pounds. Perfect. That's one's all right. Well, I came in this morning, and there was, there were 10 or 12 pieces left in a baggie. I knew immediately, you know, because we know, and I ate two pieces of it.

And you know it's a good catfish when it's been laying there for over. 12 hours after it's good and it's delicious i mean they're good cold would some people like them cold i mean they finally serve them we have the bony pieces if you like to know on bones but there's no floating bones meaning yeah it's boneless so i just and it's like to me you have if you're going to go a blue it has to be a small whole yeah fry the fiddlers yeah the fiddlers are good but if you're going to get into anything over a fiddler, it better be a flathead. Yeah, it gets a little bit, you get us a little bit stronger. You know, it's interesting here, where, whatever year this is, 2021.

Yeah, you were stuck in 2020 there for a few weeks ago. I can't get out of 2020. You need to move on, just. Put that in the room. 2020 is hard to comprehend for some reason. Yeah, it seems like we're in some kind of futuristic sci-fi movie. Yeah. But I wanted to read this because you're telling a story that.

that happens often down here. I mean, hoop nets and fishing, and that was our livelihood. And it's one of the few things I feel like I'm pretty good at. I've taught people how to use hoop nets. You know, one of them, Chad Johnson, who has a ministry called Fishers of Men. And almost every night, I've mentioned him before, he takes people straight out of the world, out of prison, out of where I don't know where he comes up with these people. Rehabers.

Rehabers. And they bring them to Jesus, but then they, you know, try to get them on their feet and they get a job. And they're, they don't have anything to do. But that experience of being in the outdoors and they, they go catch, you know, flathead catfish. I mean, two nights ago, he sent, they raised up a net and it was loaded. They filled the boat up. That's why I went out. That's why I put my net out.

He told me, said, man, they're running. I said, yes, May. I said, I'm getting lazy. I said, I think I'll put out a net since y'all are catching them. By the way, Chad Johnson. Chad Johnson was the guy, he and his buddy visited White's Ferry Road about 35, 40 years ago. His cousin, yeah. Young bucks.

And I gave a lesson about teaching a little class. And he said halfway through the lesson, one of them turned to the other one, Chad and his buddy, one of them told the other one, he said, that guy knows what we've been up to. He said, I'm telling you he knows us. But I never had seen him for him a lot. He said, he's talking to us. Well, come out, they were converted and boy, was he a good one. So by the way, what he does with this ministry to Jesus is talking about, I mean, he does.

These people, you know, they've never done anything constructive. It's all been selfish and self-destructive and addiction and all that. And so the idea is you go out and fish, you're working together to accomplish something. Then they clean the fish. Then they freeze them. And then every time there's a feed, they provide the fish. So it's just a big circle of. of helping people. I mean, it's amazing.

This is embarrassing, you know, that Joker's hard. We sent him hundreds and hundreds of pounds last year, and he said, I got a, we're meeting with the prisoners. They're allowing us to cook for them. And all these guys were in prison. But in the word, they had a big fish fry, you know, so you think about it. You've spent it whatever six months in jail, that type of deal.

Well, they got them all out there, you know, and fed them fish. Oh, yeah. But you think about it. Johnson said when you're in jail, that jail food, it won't stack up with Apollosius cat. I said, hey, feed them the best, man. The backstory is when I first taught him how to do it, he would go out and run it, and he would call me and say, nothing. I said, are you sure you do what is it? Yep.

He'd go out there and put him out again. Nothing. It's like, not a fish, nothing. Well, this went on. I went through it again. well come to find out instead of putting the net with the current

wrong way he was putting it for almost a year because he's like so it was just going to the bottom and fall it out the current upstream would blow it down and he's like

I just don't see how to do it I was like it's got to be the technique if you don't have anything it either has a hole in it they're getting out or you're doing something wrong. But, you know, he's kind of hard-headed.

But once he turned the corner, now I would consider him a professional. But what I was going to say is, here we are in 2021. We're talking about that, and the experience of people coming to the Lord and then participating in the adventure that is running with the ops or fraud.

He takes him frog hunting, different things. He's got a lot of different facets of it. And I've been with him several times on a frog hunt or whatever. I come in and I like it because he'll we'll catch some then we'll just stop and drift down the creek or whatever and we'll pray and Sherry it's that experience

you're looking at the stars it's just awesome hang on Jay's let's take a break before you read that but I wanted to read this Matthew 1347 red letters Jesus the image of the invisible God talking once again the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down in the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore.

They sat down, collected the good fish in baskets through the bad away. I've done it many a time. Well, that's why when you said I pulled that net up, there was a dead gar in the front of it, hung in the net. I thought of this verse. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace where they will be weeping the nash of teeth.

And so you say, what's your point? You don't want to be a dead guard. Not only that. There's no. There's another T-shirt. When I'm gleaning, throwing the bad away and keeping the good, I'm throwing the bad away with no remorse. None.

None. I'm saying bad, bad pitch. Okay. I hope the boys that 316 T's are listed because Jason is. got another one. There's another good... You know what's crazy to me? You don't want to be a day car.

You know what's weird to me, too, is that the gar is the toughest freshwater fish we have here. I mean, he has an armor. And look, he has teeth. Even his scales will cut you. They'll cut you bad.

You just about have to hammer. They grow so big that, you know, and you and I caught that one that time we hung over the Jeep. It was over six foot long. It was the biggest fish we've ever caught. Yeah. I mean, look like a monster.

160. And you know what's crazy is they die the quickest. Yep. When they get in a net, you would think that they would be indestructible. Yeah, but they don't, they have breathing. They rammed their head. It's an illusion. They rammed their head so deep in the, with a twine.

It goes back behind their gills. Yeah, and they can't breathe. And it's so tight on them. that yesterday I literally just took my knife, a sharp knife, and I just cut that one string where it'd loosen them up a little bit. And I had a pair of pliers in one hand, and that net, the other I'm working his head around because he had a, his snout was about that long with razor sharp.

I mean, you just... Is that what cut you? No, this was a limb that run over a tree top and a limb. and a limb bent over and came back and hit me. So I'm kind of, see right here where that hump is? Yeah. That's a swelling. That's a contusion.

From there. They call that a contusion, then. Contusion, it was a good one. Pooh, boom. I've said before, that's the most frustrating. There's something about your sensors on your body that when a limb swats and hits you. In the face. It almost causes anger.

Yeah. It's like a short-term. anger. It's like when I get stoned by a wasp, it really makes me mad. I mean, like, I get on the warpath. I mean, they're just being wasp, but it's just like you dopeopop me on the head or the ear or something. And I mean, I just go on a killing spree.

There was a tree that fell across the middle levee, and I couldn't go through there. And I looked at the treetop, and I said, if I took this wince line on this argo and tied off on some of them, I could pull them and break them and then drive on. underneath that treetop. They were just sticking out on the road there. But I could not make it unless I removed some of that debris and I didn't have a saw. I'm sitting there, you know, normally I got some kind of saw, but I didn't have a saw. So I thought, well, so during the pulling the limbs to clear the brush, I pulled it off.

But it was a... But you could have said, you know what, I'll just bring a saw next time. I could have backed up. And Dan. I had to back up for 100 yards because the levees narrow. and there's water on both sides of it. I didn't want to slip off out in there. I turned the thing over and all that stuff.

But I did get bite. That's funny. But I did catch wet. We had Opelousas feed. Now we'll wait up for three days, two or three days, and I'll just keep running the net. And we'll just got a fish fry going. You started this with tell them about sticky chicken.

You got off. Tell them the recipe. On the sticky chicken. Somebody's going to ask if you don't tell them. All you girls, are y'all listening out there? We're guys because you cook. We've not done this before. They're sticking out.

Maybe a while. Iron skillet, not aluminum, or as the New Zealanders would say, aluminum. Don't use aluminum. Use iron. Iron skillets. So these things are seasoned. Put about this much butter. I got my hand held here.

I would say about an inch. That's about an inch. The inch pat of butter in the bottom of an iron skillet. You need a lid for the skillet, too, by the way. and that and just dribble some olive oil on the inside that iron skillet till it just barely coated the whole thing. I'd say half a cup maybe, something like that.

So it's olive oil and butter in a skillet and you've got a fire under it. Cut up a whole chicken, two thighs, two legs, you've got the back, you got the breasts, take off the front side, the pulley bone, as they say, and bust that last one in part.

So you cut it all up with a good sharp butcher knife or by the pieces by themselves, whatever pieces you like. I season it heavy with all kinds of cage and season, more heavy than anything else. Season it all good. We have our own brand of it, you can try that. We season that good. All you have in a bowl right beside you is about 12 or 15 cloves of garlic.

That's all you have. A little thing of garlic. and you've got a chicken that's going in that pot. No flour, no frying, none of that. You just got a little bit of oil, and you put the chicken down in there. You get a brown on one side. I'm saying medium-high heat,

you turn them over with a spatula, just turn them over, you know, tongs. You get them turned over to the brown on the other side, and you can make sure they're pretty well golden brown. I'm saying 15 minutes to 20. So you do it on the stove top? Do it on the stove top. You got about a medium heat.

Yep. You brown it all. The season's already there. Keep your garlic ready. When you say the chicken's brown enough, sprinkle the 15 cloves of garlic, just sprinkling it in the chicken, put a lid on it,

put it in the oven, about 3.15. 3.15. Let that sit there for about an hour and 20 minutes, an hour and 30 minutes. You're good to go. Take it out.

You can remove the chicken and the drippings from the chicken. You can make you a good gravy, add flour to what cooked out of the chicken and the little pat of butter and the olive oil. That's your base, sprinkle flour in there, stir it up. I'd say, you know, fourth of a cup of flour or whatever, a little bit more. You get that kind of not brown, just to make sure it's cooked pretty good for about five minutes. And you add chicken broth, a little chicken broth,

and about a half a can of cream of celery soup. You put that in there, take a whisk, stir that in there, cut it with a little chicken broth, cut it with chicken broth, till you get the right consistency of gravy. Let it cook just about five minutes, turn the fire right, cook your big pot of rice. So you've got sticky chicken, you got the gravy that goes with it. The gravy is outstanding.

It's delicious. Chicken gravy, it's hard to beat. Hard to beat. So you can make a meal, It doesn't take you long at all to prepare. We had it for lunch yesterday. I will say. How was it?

It was delicious. Do you like it today? Awesome. The problem was with me is when I ate that much garlic, then I have some issues later, some indigestion issues. So I loved it when I ate it, but I had some issues. It is very highly seasoned. It's highly seasoned.

It's high season. So just remember that if garlic affects you. So I want to mention Dad's book that's going to be a Walmart starting in June. I think June 1st is the really. Walmart only, it was my understanding. Walmart only. It's exclusive with them. It's called your daily fill, 100 days of truth and freedom to heal America's soul.

So there's a lot of excerpts from your books and then some new stuff that we've done in there. So check that out. Also, IAMSecond.com. They're releasing from dysfunction to Dynasty, which is some new episodes for I. If you've never seen one of those IAM seconds, I noticed that Chip and Joanna Gaines have one on there. And your old pal, blown black train. He's got a... Josh Turner.

Yeah, Josh Turner has a... Josh Turner. I will say up front on that particular thing. What's the name of it? From dysfunction to diner. Disfunction to diner. I am second. Just watching the thing, you know, you're watching yourself.

It's very embarrassing. My past was very, very embarrassing. It's hard to talk about the dysfunctional part of it. I mean, I'm watching it, and I'm just kind of turning my head like that. You're talking about a low-down scoundrel. And I'm looking at me. But you know. 40, 50 years ago.

But you know why it's important to do that, Dad? It hurt. The reason it's important is because so many people around the country respect you. That's the word they use the most for who you are, for how strong you are. And so I love it because especially young men that have had a lot of the same struggles you had. It's good for them to know that you don't have to stay in that life. You can come out. You sure can.

You know, and 50 years later, you're writing books and people, care about what you say. So, I mean, it's important to know that's what happens. I'll give you some encouragement, Phil. Romans 3-5, but if our unrighteousness brings out God's righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That is it. That's pretty good. That's it. That's a good version. That's why when somebody says, we got some dirt on him, well, I'm giving them all the dirt on the front end. Yeah. The same sins I dumped on Jesus. I said, I got a lot of them now. I don't know. He says, oh, there's something worse than you. There's some always something. You know, the Apostle Paul said, I wouldn't have stood around watching Christians being stone to death.

He was pretty bad. That's pretty sorry and low down there. He was a true. Well, he was a true. Mine was basically a drunk, you know. I never was into drugs that heavy, smoking a little marijuana if somebody had some. And I never bought any ends. And, you know, let's go get high on that.

No. But back those days, you didn't, other than cocaine and marijuana that you didn't hear. I never got into this heavy stuff. Now they got the opioids, which, let's, let's. Let's take another break. But it was still embarrassing. Where we're at in Romans, you know, people compare themselves to other people,

and it makes them feel better. But, you know, he said in Romans 3, he said, let God be true and every man a liar. Because really, when it comes down to it, there was only, and there is only, one flawed human past the age of accountability. You know, and his name was Jesus. That's right.

That's it. So digging up dirt on somebody shouldn't be difficult because we all got it. That's why what the council culture does not understand, they pass judgment on others, and they do the same things they're casting judgment on others about. I mean, that's that second group in the book of Romans. Well, you know, what do you call them, the moralists? Yeah, the moralists. But I'm not as bad as they are.

therefore I'm in better shape than they are, but it doesn't work like that. They love to compare. You know, what's funny is when Lisa and I released our book back in 15, so when you release a book, you know, publicist will send out a press release. So it goes to all media, you know, and you can take it or not. They can run a story or not. So we sent out the press release that we wrote, you know, publicist wrote it. We assisted them.

And so it's funny. So that night, someone texted me and they were like, you and Lisa are on national inquire, you know, the tabloid, you're on their website. Have you seen that? And I said, no, so I clicked on there. So the title was Duck Dynasty Shocker, abortion, adultery, and it mentioned all this stuff, the people you thought you knew. And I was laughing because they were going from our press release. We told all that. But they're telling it like, we found out some information. You need to know it. I was like, we got a news flash and you're not going to believe where it came back. I was like, okay, good. Yeah, buy the business.

book. That's why we wrote it. But it's that mindset. Well, now we can laugh at it, but at the time, it was misery, misery, misery. Oh, that's exactly right. Well, you know, we were talking about Chad Johnson earlier, and I hadn't thought about this, but when we mentioned him, he's a good example for a lot of folks that have listened to our podcast. Because when Chad first came to Christ, after he and Brian, you mentioned, listened to you, and then you shared with him. So they became sons of God. Well, Chad had been married, but he and his wife were split up. And so now that he had

turned his life around, I mean, he was convinced he was going to be the man and guy called to be. So he was going to, you know, get back with his wife and they had a little girl together. Well, she winds up not going back with him and married somebody else. I just remember it crushed him because he was like,

but I've changed. I mean, now I'm God's guy. And yet so the first thing was a rejection. Then not too long after, that he got electrocuted he worked highlines and he tied into one like to took both arms oh man just blew through his body big old chunk of his shoulders missed and now one of his hands is all jacked up burn burn yeah like terrible and yet and so i just remember him going through that and us going to see him in the hospital because he was in our small group we took our whole group over there

and we stood around his bed and prayed for him but i just remember him looking up and saying just I mean am i not doing what guy wants to do i just i can't figure out why these bad things happening to me because he's a new brother and he's just struggling you know stuff's happening to it but now looking at him he and i had this conversation recently to see him find his stride in what he's supposed to be doing you know and he met a wonderful woman that they're doing ministry together and they fought like cats and dollars the first 10 years their marriage till they figured out they need to work together but i look at his life now and it just and it took a long time to figure this thing out so i always want to encourage i know we got a lot of young brothers out there that

listen and you're going through some rough stuff and you're just kind of like like, when's it going to get better? It will, but it takes consistency. It takes, you know, takes that life. I think our biggest problem is we think we still have this old life. And I think some of this we've got to just trust what God says, even though it doesn't make sense to us. I mean, we'll especially see that in Romans 7 when you have this battle with the end.

And, you know, because, I mean, Phil sitting there saying, I'm watching this and it was embarrassing. But, you know, Galatians, when Paul wrote, And this, to the moral Jew, I guess, you know, it's addressed in Romans 3 and even 4. That third line. Yeah. And, you know, because they were hiding behind the law that God had given them. But, you know, he got to the end of Romans 3, and he's like, that law basically makes you conscious of your sin.

I mean, it was indirectly saying, you're not going to keep it. You're all dirty. that's why I had to provide the righteousness that's why Jesus came and he came to fulfill the law but you know one of my favorite verses that I read all the time but just to zero in on one aspect of it Galatians 220 says

Paul said I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live but Christ lives in me so you said what is it What does it mean? I've been crucified with Christ. You know, when we get to Romans 6, he gets into that a little more in detail. But he basically says you die with Christ.

Correct. You're participating in his death. By faith. Yeah, through faith. That's right. And so when you think about your past and you get, got to remember you went to the cross that's why jesus went around saying hey you want to follow me bring your cross because you're actually going to participate in that so when you tie all this in there

and i think about when jesus was praying in john 17 he he said about his disciples he said i've given them your word and the world has hated them for they are not of the world any more than i am of the world. And so even hearing Galatians after he says this, you've been crucified with Christ, he gets to the end in chapter 5 and he's like, may I never boast except in the cross of the Lord Jesus through which the world has been crucified to me and I to the world. That's why when he reminded, you get through Romans and you get the 1st Corinthians, over in that 1st Corinthians 15, he gets it concisely put together. He said, I want to remind you of something of the gospel I preach to you.

You received it. You believed it. And now you're standing on it. And it's the most important thing there is. That's what he says in about this much space. When it came to Jesus died on a cross, according to the scriptures, was buried and was raised from the dead according to the scriptures. First importance.

It's believed, received, stood on. and it's the most important thing there is. That's why you veer to the left or right and get off that for whatever reason you're going in the wrong direction. I mean, to stand on something means you're not budging.

Yeah, it's the foundation of who you are. Let's take another break. Well, just to finish this thought, if you go to Colossians in chapter 2. I was speaking again. And he says in verse 11, Because there's a lot in Romans 3 about the law and being circumcised and thinking you're justified. And he's like, whether you're circumcised or uncircised, you can be, you can have the power of God.

I mean, that's his point. We're bringing everybody together in Jesus and not your morality or your lack of or you had the law or where you're from. We're all coming together in Jesus. No, Jay, before you read that, let me remind from Romans 3, I mean, Romans 2, 28, we read this yesterday, a man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly, and circumcision is circumcision of the heart by the spirit, not by the written code.

Well said. So in that vein, in chapter 2 and 11, of Colossians, he says, in Jesus, you were also circumcised. Well, we know that's not the physical circumcision. If you don't know what circumcision is, don't Google it. Phone of friend. I didn't mean to make a joke out of that. But in the putting off of the sinful nature,

or the flesh, not with the circumcision done by the hands of men, what happens to males and in the Jewish custom when they were, what, eight days old as a part of the law? Yeah, but having done by Christ, and I think this represents Christ being cut off from the Father on the cross to take our sin and getting our sins removed. being cut off from the flesh because we've been crucified with Christ. Well, in that moment, he was cut off from the Father.

Crucified and the old sinful us were also buried. Yeah, that's right. And it made me think of this because when you said, you know, I heard that I was embarrassed. Because I think we struggle, we're like, well, what is he talking about? We're not in this world. We are in the world. I mean, we're looking at each other and how come we mess up and how come we struggle.

But I think we have to take God's word for it. Even though we seemingly are in the world, oh, we're not in the world because we went to the cross of Jesus. I mean, that's why we reenact it. That's through faith. That's what we believe. We just have a hard time really believe in that. Because watch what he says.

You had this circumcision of the heart. take place when in verse 12 of chapter 2 of colosians having been buried with him I mean now we start also as we as crucified with him right now we're buried that's why it's always a good question to ask yourself who'd we bury yep so embarrassment is a good attitude but you you buried him he's buried it's what you told you died it's what you told your pals remember when they showed up I said, the one you're looking for, I know what y'all want to do. You want to go up the road and we all get drunk, right?

They said, well, it crossed our mind. I said, it's like old time. I said, the one you're looking for is no longer here. And they're like, but we're talking to him. I said, you're talking to the new one. I said, the old one is the one that's gone. I said, this one, I said, it's not going with you. I said, you know, that old one died.

And they said, really? I said, that's correct. Well, to your point, Phil. They thought I was nuts. To your point in verse 12. They leave, but one of them 12 years later, one of them 12 years later called me up and said, I want to know what you heard because I never seen such a change in a man. Well, to your story in verse 12, it says you were raised with him through your faith in the power of God

who raised him from the dead. That's it. When you were dead, he made you a lot. life. He forgave us all our sins. He canceled the written code with its regulations. That's what the Jew was struggling with in the book of Romans. But I said all that to get to chapter three, because then he says, well, since you have been raised, set your mind on things above. Where Christ is seated, set your mind not on earthly things. You know how we'll say we're just visiting the earth? Not really, we're not even here. The world has been crucified.

to us. The only reason we're here is to point people to Jesus, because we're basically in another place. By the way, in Romans, Romans 6, he goes over that. He said, talked about Jesus, the death he died. He died to sin once for all, but the life he lives. He lives to God. Yeah. In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin because of what he did, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. therefore don't let sin reign in your mortal mortal body as it has until you died and put him to death so that you obey its evil desires don't offer the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness but rather offer yourselves to God listen this as those who have been brought from death to life and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness for sins shall not be your master

as it were before you got rid of the old man and he died and was buried because you are not under law but under grace you're like that is the coolest thing but even more than that look that's one aspect but you know 1st john 5 says the whole world's under the control of the evil one that's why when it says once you die with christ you're no longer of the world that's it's why in hebrews too it says jesus came to destroy him that had the power of death that is the devil so you think about what happened you know all these texts about you know it's being set apart jay set apart you set apart you like set apart you know sanctified you're you're separated from the world which it's a it's a spiritual kingdom operating under a constitutional and it's it's it's it's uh laps being less last last last

gasping, struggling. Well, look. I'd rather be in this kingdom than the earthly one, USA. I'd rather be in the kingdom I'm in. All day long. It supersedes the Constitutional Republic. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. Let's take one last break.

So Colossians 3-3 says, for you died, which is there it is again. I've been crucified with Christ. That's why the only way you're going to be able to explain. Government edicts. Won't do it for you. No. No. And your life is hidden in Christ because the only way you're going to be able to explain a verse like this,

which is Romans 8, 10, which will eventually get there. Because a lot of people have asked me, what does this mean? Because they don't understand what happens through faith. And, you know, what I think happens in baptism is that you die. even though you're still here and you're on the earth you know there's a band that's called people of the earth which i like their music but i think it should be people of the heaven we're not here you're like well yeah yeah but that's crazy tell you go out here and tell him tell people in the world that and they're like boy yeah you're you you are certify certifying insane but really is this not

what he's saying. I mean, Romans 8.10 says, but if Christ is in you, which is the mystery of godliness, by the way, Colossian, your body's dead because of sin, but yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And that the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you. He who raised Christ for the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit. Well, this is two chapters after he just got through saying you die with Christ, you're buried we know that our old self was crucified so that's why i think he's made statements like let all men let god be true and all men be a liar because at some point you just got to realize that on our daily struggles we're just wrong yeah god says you're you're you've been crucified with me

you're you're you're you went to the cross with me you're clean you're a hundred percent forgiven that guy died you're dead you're like but i don't I don't feel dead. Yeah, your flesh is still going, even though it's deteriorating. Well, that's the point. It is death. You know, another interesting thing. We'll get there next time we get to Romans 4 with Abraham.

A lot of people say, well, what was the deal with circumcision anyway? It's interesting. You get an insight. Even that symbol, circumcision, which we've been reading about this circumcision of the heart, Abraham couldn't have children. I mean, couldn't produce children. He and Sarah were barren. And so Hebrews gives us a little insight.

It said his body was as good as dead, me and he couldn't procreate, which back in the ancient days, especially, that was how you went forward. You had to have sons to carry on your name, your heritage, your legacy. And so he couldn't do it, which was interesting that God said, but I'm going to give you a symbol that says, I can bring life to that which is dead. So that's why he even chose circumcision as the symbol for the Jews that it's not your ability to be able to do it. You have to trust in me. So Abraham was a little test case even way back then. We see that. That's why he's going to be mentioned in chapter four.

Which is the whole, his whole point in Romans. I'm where the power is coming from. Not you. Because you think circumcision, that's based on human error. Anybody can go cut some skin off. You're like, well, I'm in. I did the work. Took the pain.

But if you tell a couple like Abraham and Sarah that they're fixing to have a child. At 100 years. Sarah, she's in the tent going, ha-ha, I bet. Phil, this is like you saying, let me have it. Let's have another one. Yeah, that's right. You and Ms. Kay. Now what?

Oh, yeah. In 25 years. Well, I'm going to tell you, at 75, I can see a time coming when sex is not an issue of any sort. We're officially winding it up, as they said. So you can understand the laugh. But that was the whole deal. There's just enough left now to where it's kind of like a joke. Right.

So it's another, my point is, that's why Paul uses it in Romans and in Colossians, because it's another symbol of the idea that you have to trust in God and in Christ to be able to make everything new. You cannot do it on your own. It's not your power. It's not true. And think about it, man, to bring it up the date, I've been hammering on this for about six months. but we did the research, college professor and all that.

But these human constructs that come along and all these various forms of governments, they can't deal in these matters. They don't have the wherewithal or the power or the know-how. They just can't remove sin and they can't resurrect the dead body from the ground. They just can't do it. And hasn't the pandemic really showed you that in such a huge way?

They are scared to death. And it's all physical. All they got is physical. That's all you got out. Look, if that's all you got is physical. And it's just, and people are just so much. They are living in misery. Dan said he went in somewhere in California.

They, you know, Colorado and he went to see Kirk and him. But he said, people were running up to him. He said, what are you doing without a mask? Oh, man. I saw it too. He said, it's federal law. And Dan said, no, that's not federal law. And they ran it and rave.

Some guy just followed him out in the parking. like, where is your mask? I mean, where's your mask? I think the song. You're trying to kill me. You remember Olivia Newton, John, who had a big crush on when she was in that grease. I had a poster of her, you know, I was in love. Did you like her as the early girl?

Oh, the innocent. Once she turned. You didn't like her with a hot pass, did you? Oh, once she turned wild, I was like, well, you had me, and now I'm out. So, I was really. Skae for you. So then she comes out with this song, which pretty well sums up our culture, has become priceless.

Physical. Let's get physical. Physical. I'm thinking, tell me about it. I want to do the exact opposite of that. Let's get spiritual. Well, while you're there, let's get physical. For my research, according to the center for disease control, that gives you about 110 million

that has microbes like you would not believe crawling around. You know what the world does, Phil? To that, to the CDC report and to the pandemic, they say, let's get vaccinated. Yeah. Which, because they're looking for a cure. But they are, and I saw it the other day and other night in South Texas when I was down there.

There are some. Jesus said it roughly one out of four, but there are some who are saying, in fact, let's get spiritual. Yeah. What we want America to do is become spiritual. Way more than they are now. They've lost their way, and it is not a pretty sight. But when you try to explain what we've talked about today, that sounds crazy.

I know it. People are like, well, you need to die. They're like, what? Do what? That's why I'm all upset. I'm scared to die. I'm like, yeah, I get it. But you can do this through faith.

You know, Jesus, you can actually be crucified with him. If you go back and look at our, well, you could do the podcast too, but if you look at our sermons we preach through the whole pandemic, I mean, we've been consistent the whole time. We're going to die of something. We're all terminal. I mean, the idea that physically you're dead is true because we know we're all going to go in the ground unless he comes back.

We're dead. We've gone through the process, just like, you know, that's interesting when Abraham, you were talking about that, the phrase that says he was he was a hundred but it says in in the next quotation and and was as good his body was as good as dead yeah well why'd they throw that in there right because it's my point that there's a there's a decision that has to be made to us whether we're going to trust in the promises of god and who he is you know, Jesus is not just some story. You know, it's not something we read in a book.

He is a real living being in the present. Who died and we died with him through faith. We're buried and were raised. So I think that's the decision that we have to make. Are we going to trust that this God can do, however you do that through time where you're able to forgive sins, take us back to the cross, put His Holy Spirit in us, change us from the inside out, and then give us that guaranteed promise. I mean, Abraham deducted all that without the story of Jesus. He just said, you know what? Going to have a kid? Going to have a kid. Even though

this dead body wouldn't think that's going to have a kid. And then even when he was asked to give up his kid, he was still willing to do it because he still got... He gave him the kid and he said, boy, that was quite... Then he says, now what I want you to do is take him up and kill him. And he reasoned that God could raise the dead. That's right. Now, you're talking about faith. He said, wait a minute, now, I didn't have any kids or too old.

He gave me a child and you want me to kill him. He said, that's what I want you to do. Do you know why he did it? He reached God as night. You know why he did it? Because he knew, he figured out that... sacrifice was part of God's plan. And he thought, but since he can raise the dead,

it was basically a mirror image of the gospel that was fixed to happen. That's exactly right. That's going to die. We can actually die. That's why when God asks us to do crazy things, we say, huh, okay. You got a plan. I trust it.

Well, I'm here. I'm on record as telling you all, and it's pretty evident, the coronavirus, I said, if it kills you, but you live on near the resurrection, So people with the resurrection and here who have been born again, they're like, I'm not worried about some microbes. That may be the way I've taken out of here, but I'll live again. I think it's the same thing. You're as good as dead.

Yeah. So why not trust in the Lord and put everything into his promises? Hope is a wonderful thing, boys. It is. It's a wonderful thing. See you next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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