Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 283 | Jase's Theory on Phil Mickelson's Meditation, Smart Idiots & 'Hieroglyphs' in Al's Driveway

Episode Date: May 26, 2021

Jase is interviewed by a confident 10-year-old girl and has an awkward realization after he meets former NFL player Ronnie Brown. Al talks about the "hieroglyphics" carved into his driveway. Phil Mickelson may have once mistaken Jase for a homeless person, but his PGA Championship win inspires Jase to make his golf comeback. Jase and Al are fascinated by Mickelson's meditation practice. The word "copulation" is heard in the Unashamed Lair for the first time, courtesy of Phil. And the guys discuss the better stories believers have, smart idiots, and attempts to change cultural norms to justify sin. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I feel like on Mondays, it's like it's a travel report that we've been. Where have you been? Where have you been this week report? The dad even traveled last week, but I don't think you, I mean the week four last I don't think you traveled this week. Where'd you go?

I had a, I was in Georgia and you forget some of these people, you know, I showed up. I got out of the plane because this was a a coronavirus move. I was supposed to do it last year. Yeah, all I know like that. Then he got, so we've begun to squeeze this year, a lot of events here and there.

And it's one of them deals where somebody donated a private plane, which was nice. Because the event was to raise money for kids, the FCL, group, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and they were also launching a version of that. I'm not sure what it was called, but it was something to do with the outdoors.

It's like kids who, teenagers, who enjoy the outdoors, but also believe there's a God, and he's alive. So I usually show up with these types. These are the events that draw. me because I'm like, I didn't have a God experience in a church film, you know, as a kid. Right. I just, you know, Phil, it's been well documented. He started taking us hunting and, I mean, I'm looking around thinking somebody built this. But so we land here in Georgia. I get out of the plane and I look and there were two police cars, one in front of an SUV and one behind.

Oh, police escort. They had a look about them. And so I'm looking. And the officer said, are you ready? And I just knew what that meant. I thought, we're fixing a roll through here. Like the president of the United States. I hadn't done that in so long.

It's been a while. I had to say, back in the day when the show was going on, we did it quite a bit. You remember that town in South Carolina, when they had, we had, they were like a fleet of SUVs. And look, they had every traffic light block. I mean, like, we were rolling. That's kind of the way this one. The last time I had done it, I was with Si. And he laughed, Sa laughed from the moment we got in the vehicle till we got out. But like laughing awkwardly. Like he, okay. Monarchal, right? Yeah, he just just kept laughing. The whole time. I was like,

it was funny for the first. He's always been a very happy person. It was funny now that I remember that. And so we did the event we got back in and he started laughing again. I said, are you going to do this all the way back to the airport? And he just laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh. So we got in and I mean we went through that. It was a bigger town that I anticipated and it was right around 5 o'clock. It was right around 5 o'clock traffic.

We were going off road through alleys because the. lot of the traffic was just stacked. And I thought, what are the world going on? But the highlight of it was because I got a special place in my heart for teenagers. They had some of the high school kids get up and say a few words. And I mean, oh, I was, you're talking about it did more for me than anything. Plus, don't you love, like, I love rewarding, like, for groups. like that, that decide they're going to get together, like, in a school framework or when there's

so much, like, reasons not to do it, like, to not, you know, really. Yeah, because they have to volunteer on their own, and there can be no adult, quotation, mark, like influence. Right. So. Which, it feels like you're rewarding the kids for just being bold. I mean, that's, I love speaking of stuff like that, too. Oh, I do, too.

I mean, and it was a, you know, they had a dinner. And while they're all eating dinner, I'm in the back room at the meet and greet. Yeah. Because that's, you know, whoever. Somebody spends the money up. Yeah, they paid the tickets. And that's kind of how, you know, I'm getting compensated for being there. It's this little backroom meeting with a couple hundred people.

You call that access, Jay. Yeah. You got to have a little access. And they had it down, you know, just to size. But what I try to do, and I got this from Jesus, wasn't my idea. Did he come to here in a job? dream or something? No,

just from studying. I thought I just got a direct line that said, hey, Jays, do this. From studying the box, because, you know, I'm, I've told people,

my biggest fear is public speaking, and that's basically what I do. Because I believe God takes your weakness through the transformation process, and he'll turn it into your stream. Yep. And so what I try to do is be real. You know,

one of my lines in the speech, right off the bad, is like, everyone can relax. because I'm not a preacher. And this was not at a church. I mean, it was at a Civic Center. Yeah.

And it seemed probably half and half, I guess, just even church people. It's what it seemed like. Yeah. But, you know, a lot of our people, even if they're not necessarily believers, they feel like we should have the right, you know, to pray in a school and study your Bible as kids. And so you had that angle going. going to. But the part I was saying I got from Jesus is that, you know, when you read the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John, it's like even though he had this major event going on,

which was the salvation of the world, I mean, the journey to the cross, it's just filled with individual moments and conversations with people. I mean, most of it is just, he's just with a small group of people or just one person. Yeah. So I always look for. of that one person that I'm thinking, this is the big reason I'm here, this moment here. I think The Chosen does the show, which will have Dallas Jenkins on in a couple, yeah, a couple episodes from now. But they do a good job of that also. But, you know, we got it from God.

So that's why it's good. So I had three people that I met that I just felt like. this is a moment here. So one of them was a 10-year-old girl because when her family came up, she said, I would like to interview you. She had a little notebook. And I looked around like, is this set up? She's 10?

10. Her name was Bryn. I think her name was Brindale, what they call her, Bryn. And just like the most confident 10-year-old. So I kind of took a knee there because she was a little. short. I was like, well, let's do the interview. People started filming it, you know. So she started asking me a series of questions. Most of them,

duck related. But just she, I was like, well, what is the purpose for this? She's like, I'm just trying to get to know you. I said, fair enough. But so she. I mean, was she like a little journalist or let me, yeah, yeah. But so I, but so I, but she. But she. But she. She was just, there was just something about it. I thought, I thought of the verses where Jesus said, you know, let the children come to me. I was just, or unless you change, become like little children, all these verses. She just was something different about, about this girl. I thought this girl was kind of an inspiration.

And so she said, what I'd like for you to sign this picture that I drew? And it was a phenomenal drawing of a duck. So I said, well, I'm going to ask you some questions. on here. And so she, she perked up when I said that. And so I wrote down my three questions, how did you get on the earth? What are you doing here? How are you leaving? And then I drew the gospel diagram, you know, that the guy that brought you the Lord, Phil, came up with. What do you call those? There was a word you called that. Howard glyphics.

Hot. Arroglyphics, it's arrows. It's a series of arrows. Yeah. Well, I drew a series of arrows. God becomes flesh, dies on a cross, buried in a tomb, raised from the dead. Yep. And the return is imminent.

They don't know when. Let me interject this, Judge, in your story. So whenever we poured a new partial driveway at our house down in Alabama, and some friends of ours from here, were staying in the house when they poured the concrete. We weren't there. That's some friends from church. And so when they poured it, she sent me a text. She said, do you want me to put those gospel symbols in the driveway?

I said, oh, that's an awesome idea. So she does. So we get down there last week, and I'm walking around the neighborhood, and the guy around the older man around the corner, super nice guy. And he said, well, what are your hieroglyphics over there? I was the first thing he asked me. I said, well, I'm so glad you asked, which is why we use the symbols, it gets people's attention, right?

It's an icebreaker. Somebody put them in my steps, one of them carpenters out there, but we've won a many one of them. They said, what's that? I said, let me show you something. Then I just tell them what happened. Well, here's what's weird. I travel all over the country.

I see it on the back of bumper stickers, on cars. It's gone nationwide. And it came out of the brain of William H. Smith. I mean, that's what's amazing. And it's just, it's free because it's like, it's the gospel. Yeah. So, sorry for the interrupt. No, so, I mean, it's awesome because basically when I did that, and I put the words, I solved the riddle.

I said, this is a riddle. Well, she, you know, this is something I know her, how her mind works, because I'm thinking, I think this girl's going places. She's just too impressive. And so. Bryn got the J-Sill of approval. I felt like, Brin from Georgia. What I'm saying is to. people are following me. I believe that God orchestrates and sets up divine meetings and appointments.

And I look for that. I agree. And amongst all these people. And I've just, I just felt this was even though she was a 10-year-old girl. You know, she had a brother. He didn't say a whole lot. But this, but his sister, I thought, I'm fixed to do everything I can to get her on board with Jesus is lowered. And so I did. So I had that conversation. Well, then I met this girl named Lily, special challenges. I could see it right off, beautiful, but just had a hard time expressing, you know, herself. Because somebody had said there's, there's a girl coming up that, you know, she has special challenges. Said, but she loves y'all and what y'all represent. So, and she was just inspiring because to me some people are born with issues or things happen and you feel like if anybody

had a reason in the world just to quit or give up or make bad choices based on you know their struggles it's these people and they're the exact opposite i mean this girl was inspiring just you know how you you you both met people like that they're just like uh michael lindsay's daughter is like that she's Bria she's just you know she did the when they did the senior that she graduated this year and she she did the announcements with Michael at whitesbury road that day you weren't there and i mean i was just in tears you know because we watched her grow up and you know she's just such a part of who we are and she's so enthusiastic and exciting it's just you're right it's inspiring so i got so then the third person was a guy you know most these people are or are white

I mean, I'm in Georgia. We all know what's going on. Here comes this large African-American guy that I could tell. This guy was toned in big, big man. And he's like, I'm Ronnie Brown. Well, when I heard that name, I immediately knew who he was. And I said, I'm Jays, but I was like, I was like. Like, I know who you are.

And he kind of looked at me. I was like, yeah, Auburn football. I said, I'm not sure the years, but I remember the thunder and lightning. He was the running back, right? He was a running back. It was Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown. He played about 10 years in the NFL, give or take. I don't know.

He looked like he could still tote the rock. My first thought was, I can't imagine going toward this man thinking, I'm fixed to bring you down. No, you're not. I mean, there's other men that can do that. Right. I'm not one of them. Many of his, the men who met him, they got up dazed and confused. I mean, it's just amazing that a guy could run, just built like a truck.

Yeah. So the guy. Hang on, hang on, Des. Let's take a break. Well, he struck me as unique to any other famous people. We meet famous people all the time, but there was a humility about him. And he was kind of quiet, but he was just real. There was something about him.

I was like, I like this guy. So I get out there after the meet and greet, you go out there. I get out to the tables. I'm sitting, somebody paid for me to sit at their table. They're finishing up eating. And it hit me. I was like, why didn't I give him my contact your information? So I tell my assistant, I was like, look, here's my contact information.

I wrote it down. It's like, go find Ronnie Brown because she's not a football fan. Was he speaking at the event or he was just there? Well, I just thought he was there supporting it at this point. This kind of goes up on my story. And she's like, well, how would I find him? And there's hundreds of people. I was like, most of these people are white.

He's an African American. He'll stand out. He won't stand out. Just think muscle. And so, think X NFL. She takes off, comes back, you know, I can't find him. I was like, what are you kidding? Well, maybe he just came for that.

That's what I was thinking. And she was like, well, who is that right there? Well, they had a little place where you sit before you get up and speak. Because there are people speaking with all this going on. I was like, oh, he's fixed to speak. I was like, well, go give it to him. And so she did. Well, he kind of looked at me like, like, yeah.

I was like, okay. So when he gets up, he starts talking about me. I just met him. And then it hit me that he's fixing to introduce me, which is really embarrassing. Because I thought, I should be introducing you. Don't let me. I mean, so, and what I'm trying to convey is there was no. That's like to me in the planning of the event, they weren't given, you weren't up on what was going on.

I'm sure they told me, but I, you know. I mean, typically they've. fill you in on stuff like that but i'm just saying well he started talking about me and i was like oh am i fixed to get up now and the guy's like yeah he's introduced but like i guess i should have known but i actually think no one told me and uh but i just thought what a you know here's a guy who's showing up an event that i described i mean he's a famous guy he's a i looked into what he does and we we began a you know a friendship after this with just texting and emailing.

He's a financial advisor now. But I just thought, you know, what a guy to show up and go to bat, you know, for kids. Yep. Because of your faith, he's obvious a believer. Yep. And that's what drew him to us. But, you know, most people you meet that are famous, I don't know. I know some of you that are listening may not have met a lot of famous people.

The one quality you don't see is humility. Yeah. You just don't. You know, Phil McIxon just won the PGA and everybody's inspired. And, well, I met him. He was nice. You know, we were at some golf event charity thing. He was nice.

But it was like the way I am, unfortunately, when you meet somebody and you don't know who they are, but you know, well, how did they get into this room? You know, he was like, oh, somebody's helping this homeless guy. So I need, or he could be a guy with special needs. That's the way I felt. He's like, hey, how you doing? But my wife was there too. And he was a little more engaging, you know, because she seemed like a normal.

Let me sign this golf glove for you, poor person. That's the way I felt, you know. Chase, you do way more analyzing the human race than I ever thought about. Well, what do you mean? When you meet somebody famous, you kind of try to sum them up. So I would say, hey, how are you doing? Pretty good. Well, they would say, yeah, he don't know who I am.

Yeah. Which he wouldn't. Dad wouldn't have a clue. Probably wouldn't have recognized it. No. But, you know what? Athletes are tough because you're used to seeing them, unless you recognize the name like you did. Because you're seeing him in a uniform and a helmet.

I mean, like, it's hard when you get in a public situation. I can tell this person is probably somebody that was I should know. But then I don't, you know. You know, I don't know why I thought that. Ronnie Brown could be a fairly common name. I wouldn't have picked that. And once you said it and said Auburn, I remember. But he looked like a professional athlete.

Right, right. It's like, I'm Ronnie Brown. I'm like, there ain't a lot of Ronnie Browns looking like this guy. Bad, bad, Ronnie Brown. Chiseled. But, you know, we were yesterday after I watched that, the golf, I was like, I mean, dang, Phil McEson's 50 years old. And he just, he beat the,

young whippersnappers. That's right. It led me to go grab, which I basically semi-retired from golf because I was just like, I ain't got time. He inspired you to possibly make a comeback. So I was like, let me go get some. Yeah. I said, let me go get some balls.

I'm going to walk over to Willie's. So here's what's funny. So I'm walking over to Willys and I look up and somebody's out there chipping on one of the grains. It's Willie. I've never seen him out there like practicing. and I said, you just watched that too, and he went, yep. And I put a little fire in his bones.

Because it's like, well, we're old. Well, it's good you did. Because I guess, Jay's when you, I'm 56, I watched it. I was inspired, but I never went out and got any balls. I just sat there and then I watched what was on next. It never occurred. But I am about 50. That's what I'm saying.

My ship sailed. I don't even. At 56. It never occurred to me, you, until recently. recently, you know, I just looked around and I'm talking to my sons having biblical conversations and they're in their mid-50s going toward 60. I thought, hmm, it just seems a little strange. You know what's amazing to me is people, those people in South Carolina, they went, I don't know if it was because they were back. I was going to ask you about

that. If that was what was the deal with that? Because it got at the end, it got a little hairy, I thought, because like... The announcers said they've lost control. They've lost control of the situation. And it was like they just enveloped him and the other golfer. It took the other golf, Bruce Kepka. How long did it take for him to get to the 18th Korean? I mean, it was like two or three minutes go by and you're like, where's Brooks Kepka?

Because the crowd, they just basically bumrushed the usually the line of people that keep them out of there. Yeah, that ain't good. Well, it kind of wasn't good. But they were so excited about it, you know, but I thought that's when something, you know, because I saw one of them grab Mickelson at one point. Oh, and the cop took him down. Yeah, it was one of them deals like in France.

Remember that guy. Now, look, I'm pretty sure the guy who grabbed him, he was inebriated. Yeah, I'm sure he was. And then he probably woke up in a cell this morning thinking, what had happened? But you know what I thought? I saw a last shot. You know what I thought? His guy's 50 years old.

But I thought these people are so inspired. And maybe it was because we're coming out of the coronavirus. That's what I thought. That was a totally different scene than my wife who, my son, Cole, graduated Pepperdine this weekend. Well, he had already graduated a year ago. But they're like, well, due to the coronavirus, we're going to delay the actual ceremony. So a year later, they have the ceremony. But look, only two people can show up.

You have to wear a mask the whole time. and you have to sit six feet apart. The same weekend. I was looking at what's going on in South Carolina. I was like, we got a, these people were, thousands just, six inches from me. And I never saw a mask. The whole California, South Carolina, California.

But then I got to thinking about why people being inspired. And I thought, really, when you step back and think, I mean, I don't want to be negative on golf, but really, what are we doing here? we're putting a round orbital object in a hole in the ground that somebody dug with a fancy piece of equipment. I mean, when you kind of look at it like that, that's kind of what the way I've always looked at it. You just read my mind, man.

Well, look. Is that why you never really took it up? I don't get it. Then I thought to myself, well. I don't mind somebody else. Yeah, as a metal detector, I'll go out. and dig a hole, at least I'm getting something out of it that might be worth something. I mean, that golf ball is worth four bucks.

I guess if you got the ball, because that one thing they said, they're like, he better get that ball out of the hole, you know, because they thought they were going to bumrush the green. But they didn't. They were just kind of excited. It was kind of a British open scene. They do that over there at the end of that term. I was glad they found at least some respect at the end.

Yeah. But I got to thinking, because you don't know who this. guy is. He basically was like, hey, I just put in the extra work. And, and I mean, it seems like a frivolous thing to do, but the work did he put in paid off. And I guess that's inspiring. But I thought as people of faith who believe there is a God and he's alive, and kind of where we're at in Romans, we have better stories. Yeah. Abraham being 100 and having a son. that's a better story.

They went in the golf tournament. Well, I just thought about the inspiration that happened there. I mean, look, if a hundred-year-old man comes out and says, look, we're going to have a son. And this son is going to be generational, where people are going to come to the living God and be blessed. And the woman that he copulated whatever with, the woman is in there.

She's actually thinking it's a joke. When she gets the news, she laughed. Like, yeah, yeah, I just bet we're going to have a son. But I mean, if you want to get... The first time the word copulation's been used to. If you want to get behind a couple and have that kind of scene, this is a better story. Yeah.

They're a hunt. You want to, because they were, you know, the jammed out to the voice. Jason, you finally entered my zone of questions that are, worth answering, I always tell people, especially if I'm talking with an atheist, I don't, I don't hate them and all that stuff. I just talk with them, but I usually ask at the end of the conversation, but what about the stories? Who has the better story? Mine or your? I said, love God and love your neighbor. And if everybody did that, I said, would we be better off? Just love it. God and loving our neighbor

instead of all of this chaos. I like that way you say neighbor. I'm like every one of them say the same thing. They say, you know what? You've got a better story. Hang on. Let's take a break. Let me give you the Jim Nance quote. So he makes the final putt and he's like, Phil

Michelson, he defeats Father Time. That was the I'm sure he had it written down piece of paper time because he's 50 he's the oldest golfer to win a major championship that's not on the senior tour i guess you know they have their little divisions when they when they're when you get 50 in the golf world they send you out to pasture and they call it to senior tour and they still do the same time they play the same guys but now you know he can play but i thought about that no wait a minute he's defeated father time not really

So they've got a has-been section, has-been, meaning that one used to be, but they got them all together over there, you know, whatever they're doing. And they're still winning. And all the younger books are just sitting and looking saying, ha, ha, ha, you got too old to cut it. Yeah, well, it's a pretty brutal sport. Well, but they're still making money. That's part of their job. What I think they should do is the senior tour should now move their age from 50 to 55.

Because you have the wrong number. That's right. We had a 50-year-old who's from your little tour. Nobody ever broke it, so you were okay. Now it's been broken, so you have to move your age up. This doesn't happen that often. That's first time ever. It never happened.

Tom Watson almost did it. They cut him a little slack and give him a few more years, you know, maybe. Five years. He can play anywhere he wants to for five years. And age is no issue. Well, yeah, well, he'll be 55, but it's like once you win that, the perks of winning plus a couple million dollars.

The PGA world's all winning. They'll give you a couple million and they say you have a free ticket anywhere on a PGA tour event for five years. So for the next five years whether he wins or not he's going to be hanging around and show up and wave.

Yeah, got you. But you feel sorry for those guys too because like your game goes down and so like they're used to winning. I mean, so it's kind of embarrassing for them to be embarrassed. I mean, to go, I mean, Jason and I were talking about just even at our level to go out, especially if people are watching and just to stink it up. I mean, you know, you're just like, what am I doing here? This is not good. That's the stage of my career. I know what I'm trying to win. I went

through that for 20 years. Now I'm trying not to embarrass my job. I just want to advance the ball most of the times, be around the green, give me my bar bogey. And let me, okay, it's a good round. Yeah, maybe I'll get better. You know, it's something. You know, you can have a conversation. I'm working on it. I'm working.

I think I'm getting better. But it's, no, deep down, I just don't want to embarrass myself. And so I've really never had to deal with that. But, you know, he attributed a lot more on the mental side, this, which I watched a press conference. He said, I mean, I don't want to get spiritual, but, you know, I've been doing a lot of meditation and blocking out the noise. And I didn't see that.

And that's interesting. You told me that before he came on air. So because my watching Mickelson and, you know, he's been playing golf a long time, I noticed something different about him in the sense of his demeanor. Because normally he's laughing and he's a very engaging person on the course. He engages the crowd a lot. But like he was just in a zen like thing. The whole, I saw a couple, two or three rounds.

And every time he was like, he had on these new sunglasses. I've never seen him where. And so it's just like he was like the coolest guy on the golf course. It was a really weird. And I didn't know what the deal was, but it struck me as he's gone through something. Well, the older you get, the older you get, it's just what they call nerves. And, you know, he's talking about nerve wracking. Oh.

Trying to pull that off. Did you watch him doing all the breathing stuff coming in? Nerves of steel to play that game. Oh, yeah. And so it's cool. But I think, you know, the greatest story ever. is the creator becoming a human, living a perfect life, 33 years, they kill him,

put him basically in the ground. And to me, if you want to be inspired, bring yourself out of the ground as from a dead person. That should, that justifies large crowds, hooping and hollering, falling down. So, I mean, I think you've got to keep that in perspective. And Jesus has made it real clear that the spiritual is the way to true success. And so I think even people in the world, they don't even realize that they're using a God idea.

And they're like, oh, I've found some peace just through spiritual and not focusing on the physical. And I'm like, yeah, I think you may. be on to something. I wonder where you got that idea. Yeah. And, you know, what makes things like that interesting is when there's something unusual, an older guy like that, a guy that's a past. I mean, that's why it whips people up. But you're right. It's very temporary in nature because, let's face, a few years, somebody else will be doing something and that'll get everybody excited. But then you just kind of forget about the moment that you saw it. Well, what we're talking about has eternal consequences. Eternal. I mean, you know, we're talking about this for all of time.

which is way bigger, which is exactly right. Well, you know, when you think we've been a study in Romans, when you go to think of Romans 1 and you think of all these, the list of sins, which is quite lengthy and quite graphic, all the things you can do. But the foundation for all that was, you know, when he started talking in verse 20 about,

since the creation of the world, you can see God's invisible qual. you know, so we're without excuse. And, you know, in 21, it says, for although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him. And here's the point I wanted to focus on. But their thinking became futile,

and their foolish hearts were darkened. Well, that was the platform for all this behavior. Usually when we see bad behavior, we're like, oh, all right, we're just focused on. I can't believe they're doing it. But what led to that was, in the heart. You know, we had one of the guys who spoke yesterday at church, he said, you know,

heart is mentioned over, I think he said 600 times in the Bible. And he said the actual pump in your chest is like two of those 600. And he was making a point about, he read 1st John 3 where it says if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart. That's where it all gets. started. The decision-making process way down deep in the back of your head is where

your heart is. Hang on, Jayst does take another break. I just thought about that when he was saying. I've had this spiritual... He said that. Was that Gilbert, the guy that priest? Chad Johnson. Oh, Johnston. The... The guy we talked about on last week. I'll read what he said.

You know, it got me to thinking another point when he said that. I'll read... I'll read what he read. This is 1st John 3. You know, in 16, where it says, this is how we know what love is. Jesus Christ laid down his life for us, which was my point?

You want a story that inspires? That's way more inspiring. Yeah. Because we get forgiveness and the implications of him coming back from the dead. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone, you know, he talks about having. material possessions and you don't share how can the love of God be in him because you would be putting something physical above something spiritual as a follower of Jesus that wouldn't make sense

so then he says this then is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence which is why I was making that illustration because golf is a real nervey game. And so, you know, Phil was mentioning that when you get 50, he had to find a way to calm his nurse because when you're younger, it's easier to do. So he found it through meditation or, you know, he looked silly. Every shot, he would stand there for an awkwardly long time. Just like, he was doing all these breathing exercises. It was kind of funny, but it worked. Yeah. So nobody's laughing now. So, but as far as, As God is concerned, listen to how what the difference is.

It says, this is then how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence. Whenever our hearts condemn us, for God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. And the point I'm getting to is like, what was that passing? That's 1st John 3, 16 through 20. The point I'm getting to is it made me start thinking when Chad read that. and I thought, you know, we we started off the book of Romans, and we talked about the theme possibly being, you know, I'm not ashamed of the gospel. And it's the name of our show. Yeah.

And I saw the golf thing, anyone, and that's what made me start thinking about Abraham, because, you know, Romans 4 talks about Abraham. And you said, what's your point? I was just making that spiritual connection. And so I went over to Hebrews 11 and read where it talked about Abraham, the father of our faith. And watch what this says. This is really interesting. It says in verse 11, you know, Abraham, even though he was past age and Sarah herself was barren, that's what we talked about. This is a better story.

was enabled to become a father because he considered him faithful who made the promise, which is a great illustration for us today. Either we're going to believe God is faithful to his promises or not. And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore. All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised, which was harder than what we have. They only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, and they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on the earth.

And y'all, we've read all this. People who say such things show that they're looking for a better country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. So he's talking about heaven, because verse 16 says they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one. So I read all that to get to this next phrase. And by the way, also that refers to how Abraham started in Genesis 12 because God asked him to leave his country and his people and go to a place that he would prepare for him. So it's both physical and spiritual. You're right.

So the next phrase is where I wanted to get to because then it says an interesting statement. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God. That's good. for he is prepared a city for him. And I thought, you know, that's typical how we are. We're like, you know, I'm going to be unashamed. But it's just like 1st John 3 talking about our heart's not condemning us because God knows everything. Right after that, he says, this is love for God.

Not that you love me, but that he loved you and gave himself for you. And I think it's the same thing. to me it's a more incredible story that God is not ashamed of us than despite what we do. Yeah. Then us being unashamed of the gospel. Yeah. So I think it's all about perspective. It's more, it's why I said most famous people you meet are not humble. Because from their perspective, they walk in and say, hello, I'm here.

That's right. And so when you run across a person. Orbit my universe. Yeah. You run across a person that is like, oh, I'm glad you're here. And I think as followers, we should keep that in mind. It's a greater motivation that God is not ashamed of us. It's a greater motivation that he loves us.

I mean, we're going to get into this in Romans 5. But, you know, he makes the same point. While we're still sinners, he died for us. That's the worst of the worst he died for. then the ones who say were not as bad as that punch but they're still sinners and he died for them then the Jews who received the law directly from God but didn't keep it

and he ends this whole discussion in the book of Romans one two you get the three we know that whatever the law says verse 19 it says to those who are under the law so that every, every mouth may be silenced and the whole world hell accountable God. No one is going to make it under a system of works because they violate the very code that was supposed to bring them happiness and health. You know, if everybody, never any stealing, never any lying, never any murdering, always obedient children, no adultery, you just look at it out.

It would be a wonderful place. And it's not God's problem. It's ours. That's right. We're the ones who, every mile, therefore. Hang on, Dad. Let's take one last break. Therefore, no one worldwide will be declared righteous in his sight, God's sight,

by observing the law. Rather, through the law, we became conscious of sin. why in the world individuals would read that text and say, yeah, we're a little bit legalistic. I'm like, oh, you don't want to say things like that. Yeah, but. I'll be that way. You don't want to be legalistic. We've had a lot of yeah, but questions from our podcast listeners.

And that's right. That verse right there says it really clear. It does. The law cannot save you. Nope. Nor are you attempting to keep the law. You're just not good enough to obey all the commands. So grace is far better.

That's right. Not my works. Which is why I think that perspective should be viewed. If you're looking at God and how he views us, instead of how you're being portrayed in front of God, that will keep you from becoming legalistic or whatever phrase. Even in this Romans 1, you think to all these people were a bunch of hellions because you read the list of sins,

but they claim to be wise. They knew God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death. It wasn't like they didn't know. They had known it and just changed it a little bit to justify. I mean, their thinking became futile, whatever that means. I don't know how you define futile thinking in a darkened heart. and a, you know, you're being, I guess, a smart idiot because he said they claim to be smart,

but they were fools. So they were smart idiots. By the time, and right above that Romans chapter 3, when he's tied and all together, what shall we conclude then? In other words, they said some are actually saying, let us do evil that good may result. Their continent is deserved.

He said, we go around because we can be saved by the grace of God, we go around just living these hellish lives. He said, what shall we conclude? Are we any better? Not at all. We've already made the charts. And here's he is that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. There's no one righteous, not even one, based on their works. No one who understand.

There's no one who seeks God. They have all turned away. They've all together become worthless. There is no one who does good, not even. You know, you start reading that. You're like, it's a pitiful read of the human race. It is. But you can't, there's no way you can understand grace and righteousness and what Jesus brought

to the table. If you don't first embrace that you can't do it yourself. That is correct. And so for some people, that's even having awareness that. that there is a God. You know, it may be from that all the way down to thinking, you know, and I'm a pretty big deal, as is what you were described today. Well, I mean, I'm like, Romans 3 is the most brutal, depressing thing.

But then when you read that God's not ashamed of us, that's right. Well, how does that make God look? Awesome with a capital A, which is what we forget, I think. Because you got to think about it. For you to go out and lead this kind of lifestyle, you have to forget God, which I think is the worst thing you could do. I mean, if you've ever been forgotten.

Yeah. The greatest two words in the Bible, I've often said to people I'm studying with is Romans 321, but now, I mean, after this withering barrage on what the human race has come to, rank heathens, people who pass judgment on others, they do the same things. The Jews had it written down in stone. They broke it. They violated it. It's just a free for all. But now, a righteousness from God, apart from law, it has been made known. Here comes Jesus. It's just that simple now. That's right. And you know, it's interesting because you think about the very, which we'll get to in Romans 5, but the very first sin committed,

almost, well, it wasn't almost, immediately, shame was associated with the action. Yep. And remember, they both reacted that way. And so from that point all the way to today, shame goes with sin. Yep. And so it's funny because the cultural answer is, well, let's just take away all shame. People are to be able to do whatever they want, however they want to do it, and not feel any shame about it.

The problem is you can't do that. You may can change cultural norms to try to embrace and accept simple behavior, but you'll never take away a person's conscience or heart. You just can't do it. It's impossible for us to do it. Well, when you think about what Peter said in this same light, he said in chapter 1 and verse 3,

his second Peter, he said, God's divine power has given us everything we need for life, Godliness, through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. And he's given us these great promises so that you may participate in him, the divine nature, and escape the corruption in the world caused by,

and there's this free evil desires. That comes, it all starts there in your heart. That's right. Well, then he talks about God provides righteousness and add to your faith all these great qualities, you know, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness, love. And it says if you possess those in increasing measure,

they'll keep you from being ineffective and unproductive. But then all of a sudden he says this sentence in verse 9, which is my point. But if anyone does not have them, those qualities that are good, he's nearsighted and blind, and he's forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. and I think we try to make this complex when you look at someone who goes off the rails and you say what happened they forgot god that's the number one thing that happens in somebody's heart and mind for you to go off the rail

yeah when you say forget god either you knew him or just say or just forget him as in i'm not even want to acknowledge despite everything i see and that's where it all starts. That's right. And that usually, then you see the progressive nature of it's what he talked about in Romans 1. But then you also see the other nuances of the attitudes of people. That second person is the, I call it the rationalist. You know, they rationalize everything by just comparing themselves to other people.

I mean, you know people like this all the time. And then the last one were the privilege, which was the Jewish people, which they should have known better because they had the information. but yet they still missed it because they missed Jesus. I mean, it's just you see all three of those categories that got you into this condemnation. Well, and I think they just, they liked the fact that they were the chosen people. Right. You know, sometimes it's hard for us to let other people in. You know, we like to have our crew.

That's right. And be our special people and basically to hell with everyone else. That's right. That's just how, that's what causes so many problems in our, in our world. Yeah. I've got all the friends I need people. All right, we're out of time.

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