Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 287 | Phil Directs a New Commercial and the 2 Things That Freaked Out the 'Duck Dynasty' Crew

Episode Date: June 2, 2021

Phil takes the reins as writer AND director when Benelli asks him to record a new commercial. Jase recalls incidents on the "Duck Dynasty" set that led to a new contract prohibiting the discharge of firearms. (Yes, Uncle Si was involved.) Phil remembers having his patience tried by the crew's ban on Jesus. The guys discuss all the good things that came from Jesus showing up, why the biblical definition of hope is so different from common usage, and why it's so difficult to comprehend a living hope. And Jase tries to find a metaphor for grace in a bloody encounter with a tick. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So people ask all the time, especially new people to us, you know, because podcast is a lot of folks that didn't necessarily watch our hunting stuff or whatever. What kind of equipment we use. And so I get a lot of questions about what shotguns we use. Of course, we have different ones, but through the years. But Benelli, I guess, has probably been our,

our go-to? Yeah. A lot of people are like, well, how come you'll keep changing shotgun companies? And we're like, because they dropped us. It was an arrangement. You sign like a two-year deal. Hey, shoot browning guns. You shoot browning for a couple years.

Then they're like, all right, contracts up. So we're like, will you use this for another year? And they say, no. Well, then somebody else comes along. So Bonelli came along, but we really, I mean, I think those are, are two favorites throughout the process, but I'm kind of like Phil on that. The best kind of shotgun is one that goes, boom, boom. And you know, that was the first vanilla.

So Martin says he's sitting there, they want to do a new thing? What are you doing? I got a call another day and they said, Martin says he's one that hunts with us. He's run duck commander up there now under Willie's auspices of Willie Boy. But he just said, look, Benelli asked me to see if you would do them a favor and just do a little short, five to six lines is all they want. Something about Benelli shotguns. Because they sent us shotguns to you. Yeah.

So I thought, well, they want our sponsors there. So I thought, well, I thought about about 10 minutes. And I said, tell you what, the film crew was coming for Blaze TV. So I said, I said, I pulled in the middle of the woods. I took that banale with me. And I said, boys, set the cameras up, pulling them through that ticket right there. So now you're directing now. Yeah.

Yeah. So I walk up there and get them cameras set up right there and they point them through that ticket right there. I'd have loved to be on a tree. They were sitting there looking at me, you know, like wonder what this is all about. And I said, I'm going to walk into the. scene i'm just going to walk up you know so you had it in your mind he's writing and did you have it in your mind what you were going to say roughly i just thought i said i think five or six inches i said let me see eye and pull five or six sentences together that will have a little weight

with them yeah so i thought okay here's what i do so i told them i said look get them ready when you when you're speeding let me know and they looked over at me i took some black face paint blacken my face up, make it look a little realistic. So I just said, y'all speeding? They said, go. So I walk up there and I said, you're trying. Speeding is a TV time. My lines were, and they were going fast.

My lines were, I said, so you're trying to tell me that the Italians don't make the best meatballs on the planet? That was your opening line? That was my opening line. Italian is famous for meatballs. I just brought it up. I said, they also make this. And I said, that is called a Benelli shotgun right here.

And I just pointed it at the ground. And I just, boom, boom, boom, just blow three holes in the ground there. Of course, they're sitting there with a film crew, you know, like they weren't ready for it to be that loud. Whom, boom, boom. And I said, this thing has about as much chance hanging up as I do having a hangover. I said, having a hangover?

I said, yeah, I tell you. They got shotguns and they got meatballs. They make the best. Case closed. I don't know what the Italians are thinking about it, but I thought it was a nationalistic approach to it, you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Italian.

We make the best meatballs and the shotguns on the planet. How many takes was this? One take. Oh, really? I said what I had to say. So have you sent it back to them? Because I'd love to know. I'm not thinking they're going to go for this,

but I could be wrong. Martin, when he got to Martin back to him up there, the crew sent sent in the stuff. They didn't need any editing, no, nothing cut out of it. I said,

one take, one or take all, boys. I put my gun back up. I said, send that back to him. Well, they sent it to Martin and then,

they went nuts his head. They laugh and just. Well, they lead to when they run a commercial, if they run it, they need to put a Phil Robertson production entirely. That way, it comes back on them.

Well, they can't beat the price. They invested in the whole thing. I guess the price of our shotguns. But I didn't want to be. I'm not greedy. No. You know, all I wants a good shotgun or tote,

and I spoke the truth. I'm going to imagine if Martin's happy with it, then I'm sure the banally people will be too. You know, Martin's pretty amazing story because Martin... No one has called me and said, thank you. None.

Nobody. I just did it. They said five or six sentences. So you got to remember, Jace. You're a good. storyteller, but if somebody tells you, look, would you do us a favor? We want a national advertisement, but you don't have the five or six sentences you can say. I mean, you're pretty limited. So I tried to make it short to the point and get out of there in five or six sentences.

But it was classic, Phil, it was classic you because you didn't, I mean, we've all seen the commercials of like, you know, trying to describe the, you know, work. Hi, guys. Hey guys. We're out here today. Yeah, this is the best shotgun on the market. I mean, it just... A little cheesy. Do you realize, though, what you may start? There's probably meatball makers in Italian, Italy, that are like, we don't understand why all of a sudden everyone is ordering these meatballs.

That's right. And they won't even know that it was all some guy came from the minds. I give credit where it's due, and the Italians, I've eaten different types of people to make meatballs, including Ms. K. But I would have to say the Italians, they rule the roost when it comes to meatballs. And you look at shotguns, you say, I tell you what, did yours ever hang up this year? Zero. Mine too, zero.

I mean, look, it's hard to say that about anybody. And if you notice quickly, I didn't want to bring it up, but since I brought it up, when I pointed that thing at the ground, it's hard to shoot a shotgun that fast into the ground. You know, boom, boom, boom. Well, one of these days you'd have tried, boom, boom, boom, that's hard to do. It's a timing thing because you, yeah. It's not that easy to go boom, boom, boom, boom, just shot into the dirt like that. But I just did it.

But I see why they let you do it because nobody would have signed off on that happening. No, no, none, nobody. That's why I didn't tell anybody what I was going to do. Because then they said, oh, well, I think what you ought to do. Well, we've talked about it before, though, you did, when they first came out of years ago and did, They had all these meetings and all this stuff. They had all the ideas. And then dad just blows them away with just off the top of his head take on the boom, boom, boom.

And it was like, well, I guess we're done. But even when we were filming our little duck show. I was speaking of dependability, it was dependable. That's what I was trying to convey. The night, the snake comes out of the hole in the tree. You know, everybody thought Si was just being crazy. It's like, well, there's no snake coming out of the hole in the tree. this is what the producers were saying.

And I wasn't sure, Sa, I wasn't making it up. But, so I just grabs a pistol while we're filming and fires off the whole, I think it was a revolver,

so how many it held? About five or six, six rounds in the hole. Well, the camera people thought, what is it, is it blanks? Is he, because they wouldn't,

they wouldn't think that a man while they're filming with discharge a weapon shoot live rounds they haven't lived around

cotton mouths that long so an argument ensues but what is going on did he just discharge a live

firearm on set which actually the set is in the woods where we do discharge firearm but it

caused a lot of no ripples and so they're like well there was probably no snake and those probably weren't

live rounds and so they just went with it so that That was how the argument ended. Over the entire span of the show, if I had $5 for every time, I preached the gospel to them, Jesus died, was buried and raised from the dead, God in flesh on there.

I did it over and over and over. How many times does it make it on it? Well, right. They never rent it, and the longer they went was not renting it, and they tell them ill over their way, you don't want to use in the name of Jesus, amen, where you're being thankful for your food. I'm like, do what?

I mean, I just didn't get along with the whole app and radis. But I've said before, I think that was a positive in a way because it made us more passionate about presenting that out while we were filming. Well, and the other thing, Jay, you're talking about a culture clash. I mean, when you have a, you have basically a production company based in California with all the rules they have there coming into Louisiana. and then you've also got a higher-ups in New York City. Then you've got the New York, you know, chain. So it was a Bermuda triangle for that to even get pulled off.

I told you that story because after the argument, you know, about half the crew, they were packing up. It was done. We were sitting there by the fire just kind of like, I cannot believe, Sa just shot six times in that hole in the tree, which they did run. It's on the episode.

I remember that episode. So look, we're sitting there. And the main arguers, there's just a small group of, us left like seven or eight of us and we're sitting there and i kid you not a four and a half foot snake comes crawling out of that same hole i just saw something else said look at that and he crawls right next to the fire nobody's saying a word i was like non-poisonous non-poisonous and he just goes right across there i said well i guess that answered that that there was a snake in there

and somebody said and sigh shot it and I said and sigh is a terrible shot because he fired in such a small oh six shots you would think because the snake was not wounded

whatsoever so there were no snakes harmed in the filming of that episode it was just such a crazy moment though because I looked around and there were no one of the guys ran to get a camera and actually got a little shot of the camera going

probably a chicken snake Yeah, that's what it was. Chicken snuck. But I thought... You could have picked him up and played with him. He wouldn't have been in you. So how did it play out in the final cut? Well, they actually tried...

That little scene of the snake going by in the woods actually made the cut. You see that snake in like a, what they call them, a cutaway or whatever. And, yeah, they showed it. But because even though they argued that this is against policy and against every rule, that you did, they liked him shooting the six rounds into the tree.

You see? Somebody wishes they would have thought of that and put six blanks over there. Explosions and blowing up explosions, loud noises, firearms, they would have instructors show up and give everybody a speech on what they were fixing to do. Well, right. But remember when I made the cow decoy and we turned it into a dove deal, And I told him, I said, don't show up here until a certain time because I don't want to scare the doves. And I think I've told this story before.

But we get in this cow decoy because I knew it would work because we've hunted at a cow decoy. We made a decoy out of a cow. And so, well, here came some doves. And he had the little slate in his hand, the guy that goes, action. He hadn't even said action. I said, hit the ground. I said, on the ground now. So he hits the ground.

and I just raised up, there was four doves coming by, and I boom, killed two and one shot. And so I turned around and looked at the camera, and all the cameras were down, because once the gun went off, they all like, it scared them. It's dead. I said, point the cameras that way.

That was your chance to get over the shoulder, doves dying from the cow decoy. That's why a real, a real view of Duck Dynasty would have been way more footage, duck hunting. I thought that's what we were going to do. Yeah, but it was. But it turned out, I mean, I turned out to be not much of a Duck Dynasty fan.

And I was on the thing. Yeah. I wouldn't have a fan. Well, it's like even that. Shocker. That was not a fan. Because they wanted. A long five-year stamina test on my behalf.

Well, you know, it's weird, Phil. They didn't want the decoy to work. They said it's funnier because we had to take a time out. I mean, they said, time out, okay? So we all had to mean. He's like, you can't discharge a weapon when all the people are out here. That's against the rules. I was like, where L.A. and Frisco meet Duck, Duckmen in Louisiana.

It's just friction. It's friction there, Al. I can't believe the show did as well. Well, after that time. Hang on, let's take a breath. So after that moment, they then brought in a new contract that we had to sign about the discharging of weapons was off-limit. So it wasn't two weeks later after that. We're out there filming something.

It's me, you, Cy. Of course, Cy has a pistol on. Nobody said anything. He just wore a pistol because we were. Because he can. Well, we were out in the wild, and they don't really. realize that we snakes don't care if you're filming

they don't say oh we won't bite you today because y'all are filming so you better have a gun yeah so and by the way Louisiana's an open carry state so anybody can carry one or hip anywhere in the state so we're filming and sure enough so I see some ripples out on the water has nothing to do with what we're filming next thing you know boom boom here he goes again

he's fired and so they're like time out I mean they're using four-letter words upset. People are crying because of the trauma that Saa has shot. And I said, we use guns. This is what we do. If you can't deal with that, don't hire people that go into trauma at the discharging of a weapon. We could have made it a lot more real than it was.

That's all I've got to say, a lot more real. It's realistic. But, you know, like we said, when they first pitched it, we said, they said, where do you think, Dad? I said, I don't think. I said, people don't want to watch a bunch of redneck shooting ducks. They're not going to watch that. I said, but God may be behind it, so he'll give us a big audience to get the gospel preached. That's what happened.

And that's what we've, it's still, the gospel still being preached. Yesterday was probably when we met with a brother, one, two, three, four, about. five different groups, you know, from Missouri, you know, Kansas, you know, I don't know where all they were, they were telling me where they were from, but it wasn't from around here, that's for sure. Right. So we get, it's still, still going. That's right. We baptized one guy. He was up the way, I don't know, I forgot what state he was from. Well, you know, the, the show grew out of us doing a hunting show with Binelli on the outdoor channel. So I think that was the transition that happened. But it's. Well, if you all.

want to start on Romans 5, why don't I have one little thing I could do just quickly. Are we going to talk about therefore again? Because I've had some more therefore moments, which is the first word of Romans 5. Exactly. Which is how far. I just noticed. I just noticed something. And I think it would be worthy for y'all just to listen to this.

Lay it on. I just happen to notice. Therefore, since we've been justified through faith, I underlined every time, I ran up on these words and there's about 25 times in 21 verses these things are mentioned in stress justified

peace grace hope verse 4 verse 5 hope another one love the hope's mentioned twice verse 4 verse 5

verse six love is mentioned i'm just going down through i'm going down through there and i'm down about uh saved is mentioned in verse nine reconciliation reconciled to jesus one in verse 10 reconciled twice in the verse 10 and the last thing he says in that section verse 11 one more time reconciliation. That's mentioned three times of one paragraph. Then he speaks a little bit. When he gets down to about verse 15 or 16, it's a gift, what Romans 5 is saying, grace. There's grace. Gift again. It's a gift. It's a gift. You can't earn it. It's given to you. It's a gift. On down and verse 16, gift one more time. Back on justification, verse 16. Grace again. Grace again. in verse 17, gift again in verse 17.

You finally get down to about the last part. It kind of sums it all up. Grace, where sin increased, grace increased all the more. That's about eight to ten times grace has been mentioned. So that just sin reign in death. We all got it from Adam, he said earlier. So also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ. So, Lord, it ends it all up by saying all these things is so that the human race can have eternal life.

And amazingly, Roman chapter six tells you when all these things are played out. I just thought it worthy of note that reconciliation, justification, a gift, love, joy, and all these different things, you know, you're like, boy, he really hammers it in chapter five. Yeah, in fact, I would say that's a good word to arch over. Because we talked about condemnation or destruction in those first three chapters, but this is the idea that that can be reckons. That can be dealt with. Everything coming out of Roman chapter 5 is great news, great news. And by the way, I look down there and you like hit a little bit on chapter, verse 8 of

Roman 5, Christ died for us. And then, you know, in other words, his death and his resurrection are woven throughout that whole chapter. And then Romans 6, you know, it really is an eye opener, you know. We died to sin. We were buried with him, raised with him. So there's your death, burial and resurrection in Jesus continues. I just thought it, worthy of note, how many good things came out of Jesus showing up and

dying on a cross and being buried and raised from the dead. It's amazing. I noticed also, I guess we've been thinking along the same lines, that in that Romans 4 that led up to 5, it kind of hit me that when he used the example of Abraham about how this was going to be by faith and not by, like you said, earning or works, he first told him to leave his past

and so when you think about how the cross transitions to that you know God dies for our sins granted present I mean a past present and future but we think of that more like in that realm that all my past sins can be removed you know at the cross

but then he told him when we had the situation with Isaac because he said this is going to be based on promise which is all in, you know, Romans 4. All nations are going to be blessed. I mean, I got, however you want to look at it. We're going to save the world through your family. Through your offspring.

Through your offspring, future generations. So then all of a sudden, he has this weird moment where he's like, but I want you to give up your son, your only son. And you're like, why, why do you do that? So I thought of it like this. Okay. First he's already taught him to leave his country, you know, his place of origin, where he's at, where he's live, where he's rooted, go to a place he's

never seen before. Now, he gives him this promise that all generations are going to be blessed. We're going to save the world. And now I want you to abandon your future. And I thought, why is he, why was that such a big deal? Well, then it hit me because he talks about grace, you're right, even in chapter four, he says, in verse 16 the promise

comes by faith that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring. So we've already gone through that.

So then he goes down to verse like 20 where it says he didn't waver through unbelieved regarding the promise of God but was strengthened

in his faith and gave glory to God being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. So God let him, him go through that transition of unwavering faith because really it came down to do i trust him to do

what he promised well then it says this is why it was credited and then then he gets down to the resurrection he says in verse 23 i have a point that i'm getting to it says the words it was credit to him or written not for him alone but also for us to whom god would credit righteousness for us who believe in him, who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. And we brought that point out last bycass, that he reasoned that God could raise the dead by asking him to give up his only son. And so even though they didn't go through that, figuratively, he gave a picture of the death burial and the resurrection.

He did. Well, then he seems to keep that theme up for this entire. chapter because the last verse of 25, and this is my point, it says he was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. And my point is, you can't have one without the other. They're intertwined because then he seems to put exclamation points on that. Hang on, Jess. Let's take a break. So he gets to verse eight, and he he said, God demonstrates his own love for us while we were still sinners. Christ died. Well, there's the dying part. And then it says, since we now have been justified by his blood,

how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him? For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his son, how much more have him been reconciled shall we be saved through his life? Which is there the resurrection again. He just words it different. He says, his death on the cross? Well, now how much more by his life? And so then he gets into this picture of Adam that seemingly brought death because the two are intertwined in his sin. It actually brought in physical death without really having to highlight it. Because once sin separated him, he was banished from the garden.

He couldn't eat at the tree. couldn't keep living, you know, the tree that was sustaining life. So it actually brought that situation. So that's why I say a lot of times I think we tend to distinguish sin, our sin problem and our death problem, you know, physical death. But they're intertwined. And so is just as much as Jesus's death and resurrection. Because a lot of people argue about Romans 5 because they're talking about,

is he talking about physical death or spiritual death? And that's my whole point. Yes. Yes. it was all bad you you having the consequences of your sin is bad and you dying is also terrible equally yep i mean if you had to pick one of the other where you're going to pick they're both bad it's and they you can't single them away and i think that's why that's what he's trying to do in romans five is to realize that that that death and that burial and that resurrection death you get

grace and resurrection you now get life cannot be and should not be separated. And I want to read this for the actual words from Genesis 22 to your point, Jay's. God said, take your son, your only son, because he's already told him, all the promises are going to go through him. Your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Mariah, sacrifice him there is a burn offering on one of the mountains, I'll tell you about. So it's another one of those where he just sends him out. Early the next morning, Abraham got up,

sailed his donkey, took two servants. When he cut enough wood for the burn offering, he set out for the place. And then he said to the servants, you stay here with a donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship, and then we will come back. So, you know, to the point of that sort of confidence,

I mean, and we know the Hebrew writer says, he reasoned to the resurrection that was going to happen. So, I mean, but what, what faith? I mean, because you were going to about to plunge, and even the boy, even Isaac asked me, he said, uh, I see the wood and I see the fire. Where's the, where's the lamb? Well, right. Well, see, I asked Cole last night because I read, I said, you know, there's, we, I don't

know, he came in. He would eat, because we're all back in Westboro now, even my son, uh, Cole. and he was like, what are you doing? Well, I was studying this. I was reading this. I said, I'm trying to figure out why the biblical definition of hope

is so different than the American or global definition of hope. And he said, what do you mean? I was like, we use phrases like, I'll go buy 20 lottery tickets and hope I win. So, well, whatever that means is not what hope is in the Bible. You follow me?

So we started talking about that. And I was like, and I used that Abraham as an example, because it says in 418, against all hope, Abraham in hope, believed, and so became the father of many nations. Well, then when you read chapter 5 and verse 2, the second part, and we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God, then he gets to verse 4, and he says, you know, this suffering produces perseverance, perseverance, and look at that.

And then it says character, hope. All right, well, verse 5 is what I wanted to highlight. So then he says, and hope does not disappoint us. And I said, Cole, that's where the saying, that triggered my thinking. I was like, well, if you bought 20 lottery tickets and you didn't win,

how would you feel? Hopeless? Disappointed? I was like, whatever this hope is, it's incapable of disappointing you. So how would you define it? And look, here's what my son said.

He said, I think that there's not a word in language that can describe it. Good point. was a good answer. It was somebody a lot smarter than me. Yes, which is my 22-year-old son.

That's why I was straight A's at Fort Point College did he go to that? Pepper Dine. That's why I was a 4.0 student, I think. But, Jay's, look back at verse. I wonder where he got all that sense. What do you think, James? It came from somewhere. The Holy Spirit, because it wasn't from me.

I'll tell you that. Well, he does say it does a disappointment because God is poor to his love by the Holy Spirit whom he's given us. But look at the process, though, Jay's in verse three. And then think about this referring to Abraham. We rejoice, not only do we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God, we also rejoice in our sufferings because suffering produces perseverance, perseverance character, and then character produces hope.

So you notice that's a process. You remember last time we talked about that Abraham, this whole thing, you read the story, you go over and read just a 22, it just seems like it happens in one day. That was the culmination of 40 years of when he was originally called. and he went through a lot during that process. And so I think what happened was by the time he got up on that mountain with his son and he was going to kill him because he was convinced God was going to raise him,

he had built enough character up through that process of going through all this that it wasn't that he could have that hope. Yeah. We used this passage in the Mia Moo, our charity, our daughter's charity, to help kids with cranial facial or cleft palate issues to, like, bridge the gap between the physical and the spiritual, because I think in a physical way, those kids, they go through suffering, it produces perseverance, it produces a character as far as dealing, because they deal with the process better than the parents.

That's right. And then it does lead to hope in a way because they're constantly thinking at the end of the road, I'm going to be way better off after the 14th surgery or whatever is when I started. So then we try, you know, we try to, because this is more about Jesus. and what he produces in us. But it's still a different kind of hope. You know, he gets to Romans eight, a couple chapters later, and then where a lot of people think he's talking about the material universe,

y'all know I don't. I just think it's because I think it's talking about people, whether you're dead or alive. But he then makes this deal about we eagerly wait for the redemption of our bodies, the adoption of sons, the redemption of our bodies, the revealing, you know, of the imperishable body. And then he says, well, who hopes for what he already has?

And so we read that, Colin I, and then we basically said, so basically what Abraham did, if you read Hebrews 11, is he trusted God, he had hope in something he had never seen before. He had never seen a person come back from the dead. Right. But he just assumed that he was going to do it. So I asked Cole, I was like, well, what is the illustration then? What do we hope for that we know that's going to happen,

which is different from buying a lottery ticket, that we've never seen before? And look, we could not think of one thing. First, he said, well, the sun's going to rise tomorrow. I said, well, you've seen that before. He's like, oh, yeah. So, you know, let's take another break. I liked Hebrew 6 after reading chapter 5 of Romans,

because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised. He confirmed it with an oath. God did this so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for, God to lie and he's saying I swear by myself Abraham all nations would be blessed to you I'm going to save the people that will obey me we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged when God says I'm going to make you a promise and I can't lie. And I'm telling you, I'm going to tell you something that you can fled to take hold of the hope offered. And I'm encouraged by that. What Jesus did is the definition of a living hope.

That's even, that we can't even really comprehend. It's beyond, because we basically concluded that that's why he said faith needed to be the reason on how you come to God instead of the law. That's why he added. Because, well, he said faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. And he adds that to that little part. He said, we have this hope. And here's the key thing, I think, what Romans 5 is about too, as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure.

Well, you know, hope is what keeps you anchored. That's what keeps you corralled, meaning stay with Jesus. Don't forsake him. God promised on an oath he'd save us. He's made, he's good, he's good for his word. All you have to do is continue the march. Don't back off, back down, back up, stay the course. Stay the course.

It's an anchor that holds you. It does. And it, and it's also generational. You know, it's interesting because Abraham, you know, he saw, he finally got to see, you know, this country that God said, this is, this is what the promise I gave you. Way back when it first started. But then through a series of generational events as you go down the lineage of Abraham, his people wind up, you know, in Egypt. Famines and, you know, stuff's going on. They wound up there and then became enslaved by the Egyptians.

and then they turn around with a hope to go back to that promise land again, there was that same thing. So, you know, God just kept showing throughout human history, Jewish history, that if you'll just trust in me, I'll get you where you need to go. But humanity does not, I mean, you want to do it yourself. I mean, keep going back to that idea that I could do this myself. And that's the biggest issue. And like you said, Jay's, that's why he says faith.

That's why he says grace. And think about it, even that word reconciliation, the idea about being alienated from God and to be able to be reconciled with Him. But you're only going to do that if one side of the equation is able to extend grace to allow you to reconcile. Well, right. It's like I met with the other day, we were talking about this on purpose and God doing this on purpose and grace. I was like, well, because I had reconciled. with a tick on my leg, lower leg. The tick reconciled with me,

and I didn't realize it until I, I mean, where I'm driving on. He was hanging on too. Oh, yeah. So I feel something. A messenger of the evil one. I feel something, and I, you know, pop the tick off. And so when I look, and I could see blood just streaming down my leg. I mean, it had buried up to where when I pulled it, it just blood went everywhere.

But the thing was so small that, because I was, I was not interested in grace. I was fixed to kill that tick. But it was so small when I went to get it in between my two thumbnails, because I had pulled over by this point, I got to kill this tick that's on me. So this half are you driving on the road? Yeah.

So I opened the door. There you go again. And the tick falls off. So the tick falls off while I've tried to kill it. And I thought, I mean, if you did a weight, you know like when you have a fight here this thing doesn't even weigh it would probably be not even

registered on an ounce and here I am 170 pounds and you would think because I thought about grace you know God is so much bigger than us and we're so small and I was trying to I was trying to explain to her my encounter with this tick

and she was like I don't know why you keep bringing up because it was grossing her out. And I was like, babe, just listen to me. The duck, I mean, the tick is riding on something with all this power, living off the blood that I'm supplying. You don't see the connection here. Yes, ticks are gross. But in God's eyes, people are gross.

I was like, God takes things that are gross and he uses his grace. So that was my point, you know, but she didn't know. never get to my point because she was so grossed out by the tick and the blood going down the leg. But I was saying, I showed accidental grace, which God doesn't. And she was like, what is accidental grace? I was like, I tried to kill the thing, but I couldn't because it was so small. I couldn't get my thumbnails on it. Accidental grace. I've never heard of that. I didn't know. That may be a booktower. So look, here's. Hang on now, let's take our last break. Well, the bumper sticker moment of that story, which is what I'm saying is when you're, you're

trying to relate to grace you look at things in life the bumper sticker yeah the bumper sticker is gross to grace in some fashion gross to grace yeah yeah well isn't that what we are because you think of a tick as disease infested and see are but humans when it's all how you look at it related to god i mean you're like oh you're calling us a bunch of ticks compared to god yeah we we're our old pal steve adam would love this because that's what he says you sorry tick you know so that's just that's you know or all just a bunch of ticks people are fascinated about it brad pagely wrote a song about it you know not ticks yeah he said like he wanted he wanted to be have his woman checking for ticks or i think you would like to check his woman for ticks which is part of being married that's okay inside the marriage

i've asked missy many times tick check tick check red buzz to give you fever i know that well and phil you bit by a tick and developed a fever. I sure it is. Out of something so small, but terrible. He bit me on my little breast here. This show's gone off the rails. When I popped him off and killed him, that thing wouldn't get well. Kind of got puffy.

And when I finally ended up, you know, they're trying to research on what had me. You're hallucinating. I gave them. I gave them. I told them what I had. They had to pack you on ice. Oh, yeah. That's what mom's saying.

Rough fever, 100, 405. Really is rough. Tick, one, one, two, lorime is what he gave me. So you were in college when that out. In college. But you also had some, like, weird blood things after that. After that. Yep.

I wonder if that's related to your other. I don't know. They say I have too much blood. Too much red bloods. Blame that tick, is all I'm saying. I don't know if we want to reconcile these ticks or not. Dad sounds like he's got a, he's not ready to do. Well, it's just, I'm making the point.

Anybody running low. blood, get a hole of me. I'm making the point that feels right. Grace keeps coming up. And when you get to the second part of chapter 5 and verse 12, he then goes into this analogy saying, look, we needed, we have the law so that sin could be utterly sinful, like it could be bigger. Then it says, the law was given to make it worse.

Well, then it says. Look, in verse 15, but the gift is not like to trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to many? And my point is, if you think about this, he made sin bigger through the law, but that also made grace bigger through Jesus's innocent sacrifice on a cross and resurrection. Would you agree? It became global as what I'm getting at.

He mentioned in verse 14 before the law was given. There were still sin. In other words, death reign from the time of Adam. Nevertheless, death rained from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command as Adam did. other words, and if you look down there in verse 20, the law was added, why add misery to misery, now you got it written down on what to do and what not to do. Let's see if you can do better now.

Didn't help it all. It was added so that the trespass might increase. Man, you know, when God pulls these moves, you look at them out and he's like, well, why put a bunch of rules and regulations on top of what's already written in their heart? They know what right and wrong is. They violate what their conscious knows is right. Well, they've sinned. Then you give them a code to live by, the written code. You say, here's this on top of what all the sins you've committed up to now.

And it did make it worse. But the good news is grace, where sin increased, grace increased all the more. That's my point. That's the next bumper sticker. Sin reign through death, through righteous to bring. bring life through Jesus our Lord. So you look at it, you're like, that is the wildest thing I've ever read right there on how God did that.

Yeah, he's basically saying grace is global. It's for everyone, which is why he brought the two groups of people, which is you're either a Jew or Gentile. He addresses that in chapter two. It's also that God, God didn't decide to be gracious. He just is gracious. You know, where's the verse where he said,

he chose to extend his grace towards us before the beginning of time? Where's that verse there? I will find that. That's a good one. So while you're looking for that, you think about it, again, just think about any normal relationship.

Relationships are hard. And it's hard even when you love people. It's hard with your wife. It's hard with your kids. relationships are tough. But if you remove grace out of the equation of any relationship problem, then you're going to see why people never find reconciliation. So I always say that faithful people have a much more,

a bigger advantage when you understand that and understand sacrifice to be able to repair relationships. Because I don't know how you ever do it without it. Exactly. You find it? Second Timothy 1-9, this is a dozy. this is one then wait what uh yeah okay because al this goes along with the theme of our show which is so do not be ashamed to testify about our lord or ashamed of me as prisoner but join with me and

suffering for the gospel which is that death bell and resurrection that we say is intertwined and you know and who he is and him ascending by the power of god who has saved us and called us to a holy life, not because of anything we have done, which therefore goes into the Romans 5 law theme. But because of his own purpose and grace, here's the sentence I wanted to get to. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus, do what, before the beginning of time? With that, Ephesus 1.4th, for he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his side. In love, he predestinous, be adopted as his sons through Jesus in accordance with his pleasure. You say, the plan is the plan,

and that's what, and you just see it unfold, step at a time. Right. Well, it's also where some people have, and we try to stay away from philosophical arguments out there in the religious world, but one of them that irks me just a hair is because when you start talking about this kind of stuff, people say, well, that means there was only a certain number. A certain number that he loves or, you know, that he's a certain number that he was gracious to. But I've always said, when you start looking at the character of God, he's not like us. He doesn't change his mind in issues that are about his nature, which you read, he doesn't change his nature. He's not bound by time. So when he loves everybody, when he created everybody, when he shows grace to everybody,

that's going on since the beginning of time because he didn't, he didn't start at time. He just inserted it inside his long line of eternity. You can understand that fully if you remember that one little phrase that led into that in him. In him, we were chosen. All right. So let me read this one verse. Jesus is the key there, not us. You're right. And I want to read this one verse because I think it is. illustrates what I'm trying to say. This is 1 Timothy 4, 9 and 10.

It just popped into my head, but it says this is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance. For this, we labor and strive. That we have put our hope, which has been the theme today, in the living God, who is the Savior. Now listen to this. Of all men, and especially of those who believe. I think that pretty well put everybody into the category that Jesus loved everybody.

He extended his grace before the beginning of the time. But then he made a distinction here. And he's like, he's the savior of all men, especially of those who believe. So I'm like, okay, thanks for putting that in there and clarifying that, because he also created us with a choice to surrender to him. or to just ignore him. I mean, that's up to you. Yeah, there's no working on our part,

but there is us believing that the story is the story, and he actually did it for us. So that's how you have to keep that framed up. All right, so next time we're excited. We've got a special guest. Yeah, so we can't wait for that. I'm nervous about this out because my wife, she said, you're doing what?

I said, we're interviewing Dallas Jenkins from the Chosen today. Guess what her words were? Don't mess of that. Don't screw this up, Jase. I can't believe she would have more confidence. She's coming to sit in. Oh, really? We're not on camera.

She'll just be here. I was like, oh, babe, no pressure. You'll be over my right shoulder. Making sure I don't screw this up. She's coming as your anchor. Yeah. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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