Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 29 | The Balance of Justice, Mercy, and Climate Change

Episode Date: November 10, 2019

The guys discuss climate change and how the "Cute Marxist" plans to stop it. Jase questions why cows flatulence will destroy us, and Al leads the discussion of Judges and the balance of justice and mercy.    See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unachanged What about you? So I mean we're, what are we two weeks from duck season? But me and you fixed to crank it up early Because the way. We're going to make a road trip? We're going to make an old-fashioned road trip because the weather.

By the way, Miss Kay has one that's already paid for. Has one what? Airplane. And if you just want to go that an hour, She said, I've already got it all lined up. Well, now you're speaking my language. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying.

I thought we were doing a road trip. I guess we're doing an air trip. I told her about the road trip. And she said, well, I've already got the next trip, plane trip, paid for. And it's available if y'all want it. And I'm like, well, I'm like, this is getting better. This is getting better. So we may.

It's an hour by airplane or six hours, seven hours by beer. About eight. About eight hours. I'm just saying. Okay, I'm in on that I love it that our audience just got to witness Some fresh material here I didn't know how you were going to take that

But I said I'm prepared to do either Nobody turns down a free plane ride I'm going to tell you that right now Last time we tried it and we got the thing An hour later we're sitting there and we're in Kansas Let's go Oh I'm loading my gun in an hour And we actually shot a limited ducks that day

Which was awesome Well usually we don't go north I mean, hunt early because the ducks are not down, but this year, I mean, this is a cold front. It's going to be 22 here Monday. For all the global warming theorists, I would just simply say, are we running? Yep. For all the global warming theorists, I would just simply tell them in August, everybody was jumping up and down and squealing because we had record breaking heat. Yeah.

And, well, let's see, August left. in August, September, October. Within two months, we looked up, and now it's going into November. This is the coldest it's ever been in a particular number of states. And I'm like, y'all, we're jumping up and down, thrills it looked like, when global warming, the temperatures, this is the hottest it's ever been. What are we going to do? Now, it's the coldest.

It's been two and a half months, and now it's the coldest it's ever been. I haven't seen it get down to 22 degrees and just going into November. Louisiana. Yeah. I don't ever remember a 22. In November. Before duck season. No, never.

So now they're talking about Colorado, broke all the record, record cold, but I noticed they said it. They hated to say it. I'm just saying, average them all up, how much warmer is it than 250 years ago when they first started counting? They said one degree change. But it was one degree warmer. No, but see, you're behind down in your terminology because it was global,

They don't hear global warming. Now you hear climate change. So if I was AOC to your, you know, denier, she would say, no, this is exactly what happens. Everything to the extreme. Everything to the extreme and cold. This is all because of climate change. What is that? That's Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

She's kind of the leading voice now. I never heard of it. Oh, yeah. She's the cute Marxist is what dad calls her. She's in the weather. Where do y'all see that? She's a weather woman? Well, she claims she is.

But they think that Cal's passing gas is going to alter the 23 and a half degree tilt of planet Earth. Where do y'all see this stuff at? Oh, it's out there, Josh. You just got to look for it. Cal's passing gas. Do what? Jayce, you need to get off the stock market and start paying attention to what's going on around here. I mean, Phil, of all the things I've heard.

Say that again. They think cows passing gas is what? destroying the ozone, and that's why the Earth's going to end, and the cosmos is over in 11 years. We don't have 11 years. What are they doing pulling around a cowpin testing that kind of stuff anyway? And look, and they're now saying, look, we've got to implement less beef. You know, I mean, they're like wanting to curtail it at the retail end. If you wouldn't eat a hamburger, then we wouldn't have to worry about all this ozone.

I can't believe these people that can get shot. Can you imagine? Fossil fuels. the burning of coal-powered plants, the burning of fossil fuels, takes away the ozone, and that's why we're going to burn up in the next 11 years. Now, the temperature hasn't changed, but one degree. Peter said they're a little off because they predicted in 11 years, but the Apostle Peter said the day of the Lord will come like a thief.

That means we don't know when the end of the cosmos is. But I know this. Here's the story, Ocasio Cortez, for you. It's a biblical view. I don't even know who this person is. The day of the Lord had come like a thief. Here comes Jesus back. He's already came down 2019 years ago when flesh died on a cross, been buried and raised from the dead.

Stayed 40 days, went back into heaven. He's coming back according to this. And when he comes, the heavens will disappear with a roar. Yeah. Now, this is in the time, and it has nothing to do with the cow's passing gas. the elements will be destroyed by fire and the earth and everything in it laid bare. This is the end of everything. Now watch.

Of the earth. Yeah. And the cosmos, the stars, the planets. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live, Ocasio Cortez, you ought to live a holy and godly life as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. The day, that day, when it comes Jesus, will bring about the destructive. of the heavens by fire and the elements will melt in the heat.

But we're looking forward to new heavens and a new earth, the home of Ratchel. Here's the point. You say, we're not going to destroy it, and neither are cows passing gas. God says, no, you're not going to destroy it. I am. God is saying, I am going to rid the cosmos of what you now see and planet Earth. I'm going to give you new heavens and a new earth, and there we'll spend an eternity and we never have to worry about anything.

But wouldn't that be global warming right then? This will be extreme global heating, cosmos-wide extreme heating. Which is why, yeah, we believe in it. We just believe it's a divine origin. Therefore, here's the text. Hebrews chapter 1. In the past, God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets it many times and in various ways.

It's interesting because when this was written in the first century, when all these books were written, God has not said a word to us via revelation through the prophets. That's all in the past. We're in the last days. Because in these last days, he's spoken to us by his son, whom he appointed Arab all things, through whom, listen, he made the universe.

He made the universe. and watch this. Where you that? I'm in Hebrews chapter 1. Yeah. The son is the radiance of God's glory. He's the exact representation of his being. He sustains all things by his powerful word.

After, here's the gospel, he had provided purification for sins. Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, which we're famous for, proclaiming that. After he provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the majesty in heaven. the only way he could have sat down at the majesty in heaven he had to be resurrected so he's talking about his death barrel and resurrection which we proclaim to the world therefore he gets down to verse eight your throne talking about what he established oh god will last forever and ever irregardless of the weather we're going to be ready for a new heavens and a new earth watch your throne will last forever for the, and righteousness will be the sceptor of your kingdom,

which he established, repent, or the kingdom is near, it's near. Jesus dies is buried, raised from the dead, goes back into heaven. We need to talk about that one day. The kingdom's here. That's right. You've loved righteousness and hated wickedness, therefore your God has set you above the companions. Now, watch this.

He says in verse 10, well, what about planet earth and the cosmos, and are the cows passing gas going to do it in? in the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the work of your hands. We don't believe it came from some kind of large explosion without God being there. You said, what exploded? How did it get here? God says through the Hebrew writer, God says, I made the cosmos and I made the earth. They, listen carefully, will perish Ocasio Cortez, the heavens and the earth.

They will perish, but you remain. They, heavens and earth, will all wear out like a garment. It's called, if you want to know what our scientists, they didn't discover this to the mid-1800s. That's not in here. Oh, you're the last few. I'm just saying what we call it our scientists is the second law of thermodynamics. You say, what does that say?

We're losing energy. It's all losing. It's winding down. Sure. Well, the Hebrew writer knew about. the second law of thermodynamics. Two thousand years ago. The prophets and the Hebrew writer said,

it's leaving. That's a quote from. That's a quote in Hebrew. Psalms 102, J. That's what I was looking. So you were just back back another thousand years, by the way. That's right. So a thousand years before this was written, God had already predicted this through the Psalmist.

God is going to destroy the planet. The human race is not going to destroy it via burning fossil fuels and cows passing gas. You remain and your years will never end. and he's going to set up, I read with Peter a while ago, the apostle, a new heavens and a new earth. If you made one cosmos with a planet we're on, you could just make another one. In a twinkling of an eye. The reason we follow Jesus is that gives us great hope.

We don't have to worry about fossil fuels and burning and all of that and the heating. No, that's all. What do you say about that, so everybody in this discussion, you just said it, that's it. none of these people have most i'd say none probably 95% of these people have no consciousness of god the bible everything you just read and said they've never even heard of that they don't even know what the kingdom is here no no no three members of the kingdom are seated right at this table and if you try to convince people even in the religious world they'd say you're who but dad they don't understand well we're not panicking and we're just like because we believe what's i'm going back to

this what do they come up on a ranch and say we want to test these cows? I mean, how do you come up with the conclusion that cows flagements? Is somehow another dangerous. You only can come up with that conclusion if God has given you over to a depraved mind. I know, I'm just saying practically. You become senseless, faithless, no God, senseless, meaning nonsense is coming out of your mouth.

Ocasio Cortez, you say, so how do you end up with cows passing gas? because it's nonsense. Jace. The thing is tilted at 23 and a half degrees and it gives us fall that we're now entering. The temperature is dropping. It doesn't make any difference how much gas the cow's passing. The tilt says it's fixing to be fall

and then it's going to be winter and then it's going to be spring and then it's going to be summer. And the temperature is going to vary according to the tilt. The tilt is not based on fossil. Where this came from since I don't know the scientific data gathering process they go through. I mean, every rancher and farmer I know, and I know a lot because I hunt places where cows gather. Yep. They would not let somebody come in and test.

I'm sure they're saying they're testing this at the higher. I don't know how the cow farts became a part of the carbon. They call it carbon emission. So, you know, what goes out of that plane that you guys will take up to Kansas? That combined with the gas. It came forth from nonsensical thing. By the way, several more, Jay, so you'll just know, a little text in passing that proves the second law of thermodynamics was alive and well,

not only when the psalmist 1,000 years for Jesus, after Jesus came, watch. This world, this is 1st Corinthians 7, verse 31. This world, in its present form, is passing away. All of our scientists agree with that assessment. They know that cold and heat bouncing off each other, it's losing energy. They know that this thing is finite.

It's not going to last forever. It's winding down. The sun is losing some of its energy every year. They're monitoring all this. You say, they call it the second law of thermodynamics, but God was writing about. But they're saying we're contributing. to that. Like, in other words, because we're so selfish and drive cars and eat hamburgers and

flying planes. It's already winding down and we know the universe will not be here. All the greatest scientists and the greatest minds will have. They know that the second law of thermodynamics proves the earth and all of the cosmos is winding down energy wise. We're losing energy. It wasn't made to last forever. I just read you 1st Corinthians 7, the last part of verse 31. He just makes a point. People get all involved in world. He matters. He said, listen, this world in its present form is passing away. Well, if you read carefully what Peter said, he's going to do away with the current heavens and earth. They're already on their demise, their way out. By the way, that's why they know it hasn't been here forever, or it would have

already been gone. It's like the sun. It's burning, so that demands a question. burning up. Well, it's burning up, but if something's burning, that means it had to start burning. Just sit there and think about that a while. You are correct. You can't just, you can't say it's always been burning. It will something lit the fire. Yeah. But think about it, from these people's perspective, if the only hope you had was in the longevity of the planet and the resources here, and you're thinking, oh, no, what are we going to do? These people are, I'm serious. That's why there's so many doomsday movies. Oh, they're saying in a dozen years,

that's right. I mean, this is being repeated consistently now. In a dozen years or less, the whole thing, we're going to all die because of the climate. But here's the difference. We're saying, well, okay, if that happens, then that's what the Almighty had planned.

But what I'm saying is, see, they wouldn't like that. No, no, no, because they're like, no, we can do something to stop this. We can just go back to. We quit flying. We get rid of all vehicles. We all fossil fuels.

We quit using those. We walk. No oil, no gas. Everybody being safe. Do all of that. Just but remember this. You say, well, you read Peter the Apostle what he said in Second Peter chapter three. The earth and everything in it, the cosmos is leaving here.

Then he was quoting the Hebrew writer, Hebrews 1, it's going to leave here. It's going to wear out. It's wearing out right before our very eyes and all our scientists that believe at. Well, then I read First Corinthians. The earth in its present form. passing away. But I wasn't done with that if you want to hear some more. Here's Isaiah the prophet. How would he have known about the second law of thermodynamics? Because he said, Isaiah 34-4, all the stars of the heavens will be dissolved. Well, when you dissolve all the stars in heaven,

you say, whoa, watch. The sky rolled up like a scroll. The Hebrew, who said it's roll up like a garment, a discarded garment. The prophet Isaiah said the sky will roll up like a scroll. And the starry host, all of those bright lights you see, the planets, the stars, the galaxies, all the starry hosts will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree. It's like in my speeches I say.

you might already do it. Are you, I gotta go figure out who that is. You're going to have to Google now. I don't see how you're out there about her. Yeah. I don't see how you don't know about your, because I don't, I don't,

I'm, where did you hear about it? I watch the news. I don't watch the news. I follow sales of media. Isaiah the prophet, Isaiah 51. You want some more?

Lift up your eyes. Lift up your eyes to the heavens. So everybody tonight, look with. way up and look way out. You say, what do you see? Look at the earth beneath. Here we are.

Look at both of them. The heavens will vanish like smoke. We're seeing them vanish right now on a slow process. Second law of thermodynamics. How did the world, did Isaiah the prophet know this? The earth will wear out like a garment. That was said 750 years before Jesus came. and the book of Hebrews written in the first century.

Watch. The earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants. Are you all you folks who don't believe that God's going to do this? Its inhabitants will die like flies. But my salvation will last forever. Better make sure, Al, you're on the right side of this thing when it comes to looking at the cosmos and wondering why it's leaving. So like when you say a fallen story,

I mean, you probably think the same thing I do. What are you thinking when you see a falling star? Make a wish? No, I'm thinking I'm glad I wasn't on that planet. Oh, okay. Hey. You know what I'm saying? I don't know where you're going with that.

Well, I just figured everybody thought the same thing. I thought. You're exactly right. Somebody was a million miles away from us and we dissolved or roll up. Billions. I'm just saying. And you see the earth going, you'd think. Well, I'm glad I wasn't on that planet.

You look like a still falling star, Jase, you say there's a pretty good message from heaven. Yeah. Well, that's what I said. Some serious cow flagellons are in the moment. That's all going to do that. To create. He can create this stuff. But everyone's like, well, that's just sad.

By the way, Jase, the first law of thermodynamics, I gave you the second. Y'all look at me, he said, I don't know. For a C-plus man, you're impressed me with their side. You know what the first law of thermodynamics says? Tell us. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Unless you're God. Unless you're God.

But they don't add that. You added that for emphasis. What I'm saying is you read the first law and you say, well, why in the world we got all this matter? It came from somewhere. And we know this. It is losing its energy. and they come up with the second law of thermodynamics. It's losing its heat.

It's energy. So today on the Unashamed podcast, you've got the climate believers in climate change, climate change believers. And then they say, if you don't believe what they're saying, you're a climate denier. That's the no-god crowd. Right.

So what we say is we've added in a third option. We are creator controllers. We believe there's a creator controlling the whole situation. That's right. Which is why we don't get too bad. I say. Jason didn't even know about, you know, AOC. So he ain't worried about it.

I'm just wondering how somebody I've never heard of, you already have a nickname for, which I don't even know what that means. What is AOC? You never answered the question. It's the letters for her name. Alexandria Ocasio, because it's hard to say.

She's a little far left chick. She's cute as a speckle pup and a red wagon coming down a long hill. But the bottom line is she doesn't have any sense. She's senseless and her faith is not. So she's a Marxist. what did you say the difference when her and Bernie Sanders is? One of them's cute.

One of them looks like an old craggy old guy that, you know, both of them, you know, she's a lot better looking than Bernie, but both of them are on the wrong track. It's the perfect segue. We didn't know we're going to talk about this today, but thank you, Dad, for bringing it up. Where we are in our sort of storyline in the Old Testament is we're at the period of the judges. And I think it's a perfect discussion to lead into it because you think, think about it, God is the ultimate judge, right? Is that where we got the idea to have judges?

James Ford? When was judges written? Oh, you're talking about, well, you're back in the historical area. You're talking about right after Moses. So this is, this is a pension. Give me, give me. For mankind. They always won't sit there.

Over under a thousand years. Over a thousand before Christ. They always have looked to, to human beings to lead them out and lead us to the promised land. This is about, tell us what the judge's role. So here's the deal. If you read a book of judges, which I did last night, misrated R. Oh, man.

Is it ever? It's just rated. They made a movie about judges you'd have to. Because you're talking about violence. Yeah. And sexual conquest. Hey, Al, look at Bader and Day and tell me how much it's changed. Not much.

So here's... I mean, they're passing laws that supersedes the Supreme Court supersedes the supreme being and says, you know, know what? I know for 7,000 years, y'all thought that a marriage between a man and a woman, but that's not true. Anybody can marry anybody, same-sex marriage, all that. That's all, that's no problem. They just take the law and they butcher it and it supersedes what God says, and therein is the problem. All the way back to Samuel and the judges. That's why it comes back to human anatomy. There's a story involved in the judges, which I didn't think about it, you just brought it up,

but there's a where a guy comes in, he's got his concubine, which is a whole other thing, but it was basically a wife. Yep. And so this guy takes her into his home, and then they basically, and this is crew, this is exactly what Jay's talking about it. They gang raper and murder her, you know, and so God brings down judgment. It happens. And so God brings down judgment.

Yeah, well, wasn't pleased. I mean, the whole bottom line, the whole reason we were talking about this climate change, and all this, is then once this climate does change, which is a big fire and everything melt, then we all stand for God. Whether you believe or not, that's where you'll be. At least we're on the right side of this thing, biblically speaking, that we have hope

and without your fear of God and the knowledge of God, you have no hope. And then you have judgment, which we believe as Christians, you know, I mean, Jesus judges us on the cross, and he deemed us not guilty. Correct. Even though we were guilty. Right.

That's why he came. Grace is a wonderful time. But for those who are surprised when he comes back, well, that's going to be a bad time to be surprised because then you're basically guilty. We look forward to these days, but they look at it with fear and tremor. Oh, that's right.

Well, think about you if you're the guy in the story I just mentioned, and then judgment was brought down on him, his house, his entire tribe. You remember where we are in the historical. story. Remember we had Joshua, they go in, they conquer the land of Canaan. They basically set it up in a structure where there's 12 tribes. So this is what I would call a tribal.

You know, we still got tribal. I thought it was 13. Well, it is 13 because Joseph, remember, he blessed his two sons. So they were, he split his into two. So it's actually 13, although it's called the 12 tribes. But that's the reason. Is that where they got the, that 13's unlucky? Probably so.

I hadn't thought about that. You always hear him say 12, but you're right. It was technically it was 13 because Joseph's two sons probably true yeah so anyway we got judges from the Bible we got you know everything else I can think every movie that you see that has anything to do with good or evil it came out of the

Bible oh always you know what strikes me in the Bible when you read Genesis chapter 1 he separated the waters from the water you got atmosphere up here there's a lot of water up there and then you have the oceans down below where that space in between it's called sky you say

well y'all call it we say we still they'll call it sky. And the land is called dry ground appear. Let dry ground appear. He said, well, you call that? He said, we're going to call that. I am. God said, I'm going to call it land.

Well, that's been, whenever it happened to now, you said, what do we call it? We say, land. I'm like, y'all, y'all barried the terminology of what these things are from God. Right. How come you're saying there's not a God? Right. You're calling things what he call them. If it's not the sky, what are we going to call it, Al?

That space in between us and out. If it's not sky, what is it? Does it have to come up with a new name? I'm sure some of the climate changes can come up. So in the storyline, here's what happens. You basically have this period. I call it the while, while west of Israel's history. Remember, you've had these kind of Moses to Josh.

We had a clear leadership. And now of a sudden, who's going to lead? And so these people would raise up and they would be a judge, is what they would call them. and they were judicial, obviously. They were military. Most of them were military leaders. Some of them were spiritual and some of them weren't.

Not much has changed. Not much has changed. So you see that same kind of deal today, which is what I find interesting. Sure. You know, when you look at certain parts of the world, you know, we're kind of used to having, at least until now, this current era is kind of crazy, but where you had some stability in your government. You've got places in the world. You go to Afghanistan, and it's all tribal. guys and that group over there has got the Taliban.

The strongest will survive. And usually it's a bad situation. The biggest stick. This is accurate. That's who rules. And so that was the period they were talking about. Not much order. In fact, not much law or order. Law and order, you say it's a lawless land. Honor, integrity, integrity, respect. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness. You say, nope, doesn't exist. It's like the mistreatment of women and you know it's just ridiculous so when you think about that here was the here was the nature of this period you tell me if this sounds familiar you had peace you had a time of peace things were

good everybody's taking care of each other nobody's warring and fighting then you would have the abandoning of the principles a member that god had instituted so all of a sudden you got people doing their own thing it's beginning to sound familiar then you would have oppression some neighboring tribe or neighboring nation would come in and control them then you'd you would have repentance the people would cry out to God and then guess what you'd have deliverance you'd go on to the next judge this was over and over and over I'm 73 years old you say uh dad you're older than we are you're 73 how much have how many times have you seen warring neighbors and they come together since you've been here I I don't remember a

four or five year period not over with that long when there wasn't a war with some of our neighbors somewhere on this earth you're like it's just one they have a word for it now the news media jace this is good information for you if you can get off at the computer uh the stock market they said what's the word they call them endless wars well we've been in endless wars ever since i've been on the earth and that's about 73 years you're like it's one after the other, after the other, after the other. It's endless wars in your own neighborhood. And Al, you're talking about the time, how many years before Jesus was this?

It's about 11 hundred years. 1100 years before Jesus, you said, well, what has changed on planet Earth regarding wars and death and misery and immorality and idolatry? You're like, kid. So look, I want to kind of focus this down a little bit more because, Dad, you raised us the right way. I mean, you did. I mean, you weren't a Christian for the early part of my life and a little bit of Jason. But you basically instilled in us the principle of do the right thing, don't steal.

I mean, there were a lot of principles. So the blessing of that for me and Jason, I may be wrong, just correct me if I'm wrong. We've never stood before a earthly judge. Well, I have a couple times. Oh, well, share, because this is news. Well, one of them was, you know, when I'm not talking about this stuff on the show, right? Yeah, Doug Dinners. Oh, good night.

I figured out that, you know, the TV show had kind of set that up. But that judge, who was a real judge, he didn't find anything amusing about that show. He was serious, wasn't it? He got into full, you know, he's looking size. Hey, hi, hey, you know, give me a ticket, whatever. Because we had, you know, you couldn't park near a bridge and go fishing. But I could tell he was looking like. I'm not amused.

Because if somebody's not amused by side, that's pretty impressive because he's amusing. But it made me realize this guy's heard so much. Can you imagine what the crap this guy has heard every day for eight hours? And he's like, I'm not, did you break the law? Guilty. There was no way to be impressed, you know. forgiveness was not even an option. So I thought about that, how earthly judges in our system,

just what you said, what they have to listen to, that they're trying to meet out, you know, by the law. But at the same time, do you ever have, you know, do you show mercy to some, not to others? I mean, you know, that's a tough. I mean, I've been in a mini a courtroom where it was somebody we had brought to the Lord or somebody we were praying for, you know, and they asked me to come up there,

and I know you've done something that too. So you sit there and you listen, but it's the same thing. You walk away thinking the same thing. They don't care. I mean, they're just trying to look at the law, look at what was done, and for the most part,

make a right decision, but they're emotionless as far as that. Well, I'll just say, James, when he's talking about how we should view our neighbors, brothers do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you're not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. And he makes a pertinent point for any time frame from Samuel all the way to here.

There's only one lawgiver and judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. therefore he said but you who are you to judge your neighbor so we present them point them to jesus you say but as far as their their status before god it's up to them to make the call and we're not to judge them we just say here's what i believe and here's why when you point them to jesus he loves you god loves you he's died on a cross for you he'll remove your sin and raise you from the dead take it or leave it i hope you take it right and we just do that and we move on so that's about the bottom line is you have to have some system like this in place to have law and order which is god introduced it through his chosen people but then when you fast forward

even to first corinthian six you know they were having these lawsuits among the believers oh yeah paul just like shoot them out i mean chastised them it's like where it's like now if someone was a believer in jesus you know i i wouldn't be able to sue him based on what I read in first 15 and 6th. I wouldn't do it. I see people do it and I'm like, you know what? Okay, but I'm not doing it. I'd take the loss and move on. Yeah, just

be cut. Now I realize why you have the system, it's like what we're saying when you're in front of that judge and those courtrooms and even that you would think it would thwart all crime and but you say our country and you're like, can you imagine it without it? Oh, man. Then you're back into the Afghanistan's

of the world. My experience is from being courtrooms and testify. And usually it was in some sort of situation where it was a custody case or whatever. Because I tried to avoid it, but sometimes you get pulled in because it's somebody member of our church back when I was a preacher. But I know that the one common theme I noticed is these were family matters, everyone I was involved in. And the judge who had the ultimate say, the vibe I got from them and the speeches I heard

from them was, can't you do this on your, why are you? taken up my time to deal with your family issues. That's right. You should do this on it. I mean, she or he because both judges would usually chastise the families. Like, you should deal this on your own. You shouldn't

be before me deciding who gets custody over this. Most of it's probably divorces. And most of it was right. I was going to mention that. Just think about the divorce courts. All the trauma instead of when people make poor choices and you finally end up

in front of a judge. You're like, boy, you, you carried this way too far. Should have sat down and worked this out between you. Well, let's face it, part of the problem of this is that if you step down one back back. A lot of this thing. That's been saying the lawyers make money and the court system makes money. But I always said they have to put the law before the person because that's what they're there to do and force the law.

You know, as Christians, we kind of do the opposite. that we put the person in front of the law. Sin is very, our sin is very costly. All the way up to the wars we fight and the wars with the families and the wars with the neighborhood. Legal system. Well, legal system. Sin is extremely, uh, uh, expensive.

Expensive. Expensive. So, so dad tell this, I want you to tell the story. I want the audience to hear this because I, one of the things that has really stuck with me through the years. We had a brother, his family, great family that we loved our church, grew up with us, and one of their sons, their youngest son, and Willie were best friends. And they were African American family. The African American family. And so he went off to college and he went off to college and he's a basketball player, great athlete, went down south Louisiana, got in with

some of the wrong crowd once he got to college. But a one of the one. wonderful kid with a great heart. We all agree with that. And his family... Yeah, but he made the decisions that led to this. Poor choices. Yeah. Got into the drug culture. And somebody convinced him down there if you're going to, you know, be able to... I don't think he was doing drugs. He just decided to make money. Well, he was hanging out with that crowd. And so they convinced him, look, you make some easy money. They got him for transporting drugs across the state lines. That's right. You go down to Mexico. It was like 18-weiler-load of that. Right. You go down to Mexico. You pick up the drugs. You come

back we give you cash and so he became convinced this was a good idea he gets he gets pulled over he gets arrested in a small texas town and then obviously because of the level that now he's a major drug traffic even though he's never been convicted of anything as far as i know his whole life well yeah it's like that movie uh the mule that right he's basically doing that he's doing that and so he's down there he goes through his trial and then there's a segment where people can speak to his defense and his family because now we're at the sentencing phase. He's convicted. And so you and mom and Willie went down and joined some of his family from here to speak on his defense. The boy and the young man you knew, not necessarily the one that got into trouble.

So tell about that what that was like. Because I mean, I find it really fascinating that you were attempting mercy and yet being a law guy. How did that, what happened? I mean, how did that play? I basically understood that he was guilty as charged and I said I'm not here because the prosecuting attorney said Mr. Robinson are you interested in justice? Because he was mad that you were testifying the famous person was testifying on I said I am all for justice he said that's what you're seeing take place here so why would you come and speak on behalf of the one we're going to meet out justice to? I said, I am all for justice to. I said, that's what you're seeing. He said, that's what you're seeing. He said, that's what you're said, oh, I'm not asking for justice here. I'm asking for mercy here. I know what justice is going

to do for him. Right. I understand. Rightfully so. I said, I'm just asking for mercy in his case since this is his first offense. And the guy said, well, whoever you think this, whoever you think this guy is, he started running with the wrong crowd, and he's not the same guy that was raised with your son up there in North Louisiana. Which is true. All this is true. And by the way, he was 20. The judge was just sitting there stone face and you say, how much mercy did the judge give him a zero? Yeah, he did. My speech did him no good. He was 20 years old and he was facing a 25 year federal sentence. Yep. For drug trafficking and he got the full 25 years. That's right. But he served 12 and a half. He served half of it.

Willie was waiting on him when he got out 12 and a half years later. I tell you what, he's been a pretty model citizen since. And when did he get out? Oh, he's been out. No, more than that. It's been about 10 or 12 years ago. He worked for a documentary for a while. Willie gave him a job.

Or does he still? No, he didn't work for us anymore. But he did. And that's what I love about it. You know, and we love him and he's still a, you know, a dear friend of ours. But I just, that story of the idea that you seek mercy, but the judge has the ultimate decision. And look, when you walked out of there,

it wasn't like you were like, no, something is wrong here. You weren't like railing against the system. I asked for mercy. They gave him justice. You know what was interesting when he worked at Duck Commander? He told me,

you know who one of his cellmates was while he was in prison? Our former governor, Edwin Edwards, he was in the same cell with him. Yeah, in Dallas at a federal prison. That's right. Yeah, I thought that was fascinating. He said, yeah, I used one of his duck calls.

he told Paul that. Oh, EW. Yeah. I signed the governor of duck call one time. He's a big duck hunter, you know. Oh, yeah. But you know what it told me is that, you know, prison, it has no respecter of persons. No.

You can have been the governor or you could just been some guy transporting drugs. You wind up in the same place and you're treated the same. Getting lying, shut your mouth. But I do think it makes a good parallel to the idea of what we talk about that it only takes one sin to condemn us. We have an awareness. We get to that point. It only takes one.

You think to look at a guy like, you know, we're talking about like Paul, and he just did this one time. He happened to get caught the first time out, you know, and so we're thinking, well, surely you'll see

this not really him as character, but he did it. I never said, well, this is unfair. It's the first time. I went with justice all the way. I said, I'd like to see some mercy here,

but if you choose, to give him pure justice, so be it. So my point is, for every person that has ever sinned one time, what you earn is full justice of the law. That is correct. Which the Bible says is death. Spiritual separation. It's all right.

This all happened so Jesus would come. A lot of them said, well, it seems like such a small sin. All I'm doing is you break the law and you pay with your life. The problem I see fast forward now is you've got too many churches acting as the judges like an Old Testament judge enforcing the law. Too much of that. You're correct. There's no doubt about it. You're correct.

Now, I get it in First Corinthians. You know, we keep going back to First Corinthians because they had a lot of problems. But he weighed it in there. But, you know, First Corinthians five has something interesting where we're not supposed to judge other people. You know, Jesus said it. Matthew said, don't judge or you two, you know, we'll be judged. because ultimately he's a judge. I think, where's that, James Ford, whatever it says, God is standing at the judge.

Some people have questioned me and they say, but how could you be for a fellow Donald Trump to be the president of the United States and you support him knowing he's such a sinful man? I said, I've been a sinful man in my life and so have you. I said, we all have sins. What do you? Well, God uses this despite our flaws. What we do is we show anyone mercy because we've been shown mercy.

We forgive people quick to forgive because God forgave us. And we don't know the heart. That's right. So here's what James said. We've been talking about James 4. James 2. James said, speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom because

judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment. And the only reason that happens is because of Christ. I mean, that's the whole deal. That's right. I would like to say this in 1 Corinthians 5, I think, which is a lot misunderstood. He did bring up a situation where if a person is claiming to be in Christ, claiming to be a Christian. Yep.

And they're obviously doing something that is just openly and publicly immoral. He's like, hey, judge him and kick him out. Does not judge him. I begin in the family of that. Right. It says, what business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? This is 1st Corinthians 512. Well, the answer is it's none of your business to judge them out.

Are you not to judge those inside? Well, the answer there would be yes. Yep. What he's inferring. Right. God will judge those outside, expel the wicked man from among you. And you can read the whole story. He's like, he said, you know, I've written to you not to associate with people that are immoral or drunk.

or whatever. He's like, but I'm not talking about, you know, people in the world because you'd have to leave the world. He's like, but the ones that are claiming to be, you know, in Christ and your fellowship, there's doing, and we all know from studying this, it's something openly and publicly maligning who Jesus is. And they're not caring that they're making Jesus look bad. So with anything, there are exceptions.

I mean, if you want to call that. an exception. I don't know how you would describe that. Generally, yes, we're not supposed to judge people. You're not supposed to look at, you know, the speck in your brother's eye when you've got a plank in yours. But there is something to say about a person who's claiming to be in Jesus, who's claiming to follow the moral compass of God who's living the exact opposite in a public, open way. That's a lifestyle.

Yeah, you go to them and say, hey, what are you doing? He didn't make a mistake one day and you weed him out. He lived like this. Well, right. You're just like, be honest. You know, that's why I respect a lot of people out of the world more than I need people, some people that go to church, because at least they're honest and you know where they're standing. You know, someone claiming to be, you know, a follower of Jesus and they're living the exact opposite and are don't care? There are plenty of texts that say with certain individuals based on their behavior have nothing to do with them.

Yeah. Plenty of verses that say that. That's exactly right. So anyway, good discussion out of the period of judges. I think we show kind of in that larger narrative that we still live that life every single day. I mean, I guess our challenge to our audience is that you want to live in such a way. I don't fear judgment. No.

Because Jesus says I am the judge and I'm a follower of him, so I don't really fear that. I don't fear that in my everyday life because I try to do the right thing. I'm not perfect to the end of time as we know it. Exactly. And we have to have this system on earth. That's why it's so important for me, you know, having a conservative president when he elects judges. Because you need these people shaping how our culture is. That's one of Donald Trump's strong points.

He's put a lot of federal judges. Strong constitutional. Right. Which, by the way, in judges, you know, one of the most famous judges was a woman. That's right. Debra. Yep. And so it just shows you that.

Her husband was a military guy and she was a spirit. They did it as a husband and wife team, which is really interesting. Judges for, check that out. Yeah, maligned women, you know, from their perception of what their role is. I mean, hey, they're women leaders. God was for. He didn't apologize for it. I think it basically says she was the judge over all of Israel.

Well, and we talked about this in a former podcast, but that woman judge was ruling over that courtroom where that brother of the murdered person offered mercy and forgiveness. to his brother's killer, that judge was sitting there and she let it all unfold, which a lot of judges wouldn't have done that. You're talking about it, but I think she was so compassionate in the moment. She allowed that to happen and then gave the woman a Bible, her Bible, to take with her to jail. Here, you need to read up on this and you'll understand about forgiveness.

So anyway, pretty powerful stuff. Next time we're going to shift into the new era of what's coming for Israel, and that's the king. and we've got some good stuff to talk about that as well. We'll talk about the kingdom for a while. So next time on Unashamed. We are so glad you're watching and listening to the Unashamed podcast. Be sure to like us on Facebook, subscribe on YouTube and iTunes.

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