Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 290 | Phil Gives Al the Side-Eye, Jase Gets Caught Poaching from Willie's Pond & Slavery to Sin

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

Phil thinks Al's feelings about crawfish are highly questionable. Jase gets caught sneaking out to Willie's pond to catch some crappie for Missy. Jase cracks up over the time their lifelike "Duck Dynasty" "costumes" helped the Robertsons win a contest at Walmart. Al highlights the difference between "Duck Commander" and "Duck Dynasty." And the guys discuss slavery to sin, how we treat others, and how we respond to people who say they believe Jesus is Lord but clearly don't mean it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we're into June now, and I was wondering, Dad, so you have, because everything down here is seasonal. You know, everything's got a season to it with you, with the land, with the, you know, everything's got its time. So what are we entering now with June? Last time, in May, we talked about Mayhas, we're making jelly, you know, we're catching Apollosus's catfish and eating. eating them. We're now planting, planting duck food. So now we're in the planting season. We're in the planting season. Drain in the water. Water's coming out. We didn't have a big back water. It's up about 10 feet. That's a small one. And it's receding. So do we miss crawfish season?

Because I don't remember right now we could tear them up. I ate crawfish. I think I had it four days in a row. But I would say at least 10 times in a two-week period. Yeah. So you missed it. We're having them once a week. Yeah.

I'm not as crazy about just eating bull of crawfish. I mean, it's just, I'm never been. Reach down and check your pulse.

No, it's just too much work for not enough meat. I like, I like eating crawfish at you. Well, you just have to be fast.

You need to be too much. No, that's too much. Not here. Too much work. Now, this is,

this is making. I guess if I had a crawfish, if I had somebody that I could just maybe slip a 20, and then they would peel all my crawfish one, that would be good.

Are you sure y'all didn't adopt him? Yeah, he's, he's talking yuppie, huh? I'm just saying it's a lot of work for not enough meat, you know. Now, you put it in an et tufei? Do you, if you, or make you a good crawfish bits? The tails that we didn't consume on the table, the tails we have left, we peel them all, the crawfish, we have that for the etufet the following day. I'm saying, well, somebody has to do that work for the at two fe.

Well, exactly. I think we have a work issue. We do have. I don't work to eat. I just want to eat. How is healing the crawfish? When I get two dozen oysters, I want them already shucked in a container, which is how they come. And then I eat the oysters.

I get full. It takes me about two minutes to eat two dozen oysters. Somebody did that work. Exactly. And those people are to be appreciated, lauded, and paid well. Do you know what I'm thinking when I'm peeling the crawfish? You know what I'm thinking? That's part of the excitement.

because I'm thinking, I'm fixing to eat this, it's going to be good. Yeah, just, you know, the seasoning in your cuts, I don't know, it's just the whole, it's, look, I've done it my whole life. I just, it's not that enjoyed. Well, if you work outside more, not indoors, outside, you develop a tougher skin. Yeah. I mean, you're thinking about it in Jesus' day, I guarantee you, though their hands had an extra layer of skin. Well, and callous.

And feet. Think about the feet. You know what I mean? Because yeah, the foot washing going on because it was a dusty place. Phil went through four years, you know, without wearing shoes. And, I mean, he could literally run down a gravel road. That's true.

And not even go, ha, ha, ha, you know, I did it. Hot pavement was not an issue. One of the worst things that ever happened to me, something stung me in the ocean one time on my, it was actually on my back left shoulder. I brushed up against something. And it was like a jellyfish. Yeah. But it wasn't.

It was something worse. because all of a sudden I wake up the next day. I got fever. My right leg had red dots on it. And then it kind of settled into my right foot. And look, that foot swole up. And it took about three or four days for it to get back down. But when it did, when everything kind of looked normal again,

every bit of skin on my foot, including the pad that I'd spent my whole life building, peeled off. of my right foot what does it mean it's a bad bite it was a bad bite whatever it was that whatever that toxin it was in the ocean it was in the ocean and it settled into my foot it was amazing so so like for about a week you know my kids loved it because i don't know why people like stuff like this but every night they would come over anna would come over and alice would go and lisa and they would basically peel my foot because you couldn't you know some of it wouldn't want to turn loose it'd take a little while for it all to die but they just like peeling

skin off, but it was a pile of skin that was, I mean, it was. It's one of the most disgusting. Oh, it's awful. I don't know how you can't peel a crawfish. It all grew back. Peel on a crawfish is way better than that. I'm just, I don't, I didn't link to it. I'm getting about 10 crawfish per minute.

About 10 per minute. I mean, do you, how do you peel the crawfish? I'll pin them the way, the way we all do. Well, do you take the first two layers off? And then just pinch him out. Pete him out. It's just, I mean, I'm saying I stand there, you're eating the thing. I tend to want to eat more of the other stuff, which is probably not as good for it.

You know, potatoes and corn and all the other stuff is in there. We started cooking the vegetables in there. I like that with the Russell sprouts and the broccoli and all that kind of stuff. I'm just not a big fan of boiled meats. I mean, it's just not my thing. I'd rather have it seasoned with something, put to a little gravy on it. Now, we had the other night with Chef Chris down in Alabama, he had some fresh trigger fish and amberjack, which are both excellent, a goldfish.

And he brought him over, somebody had just given them to him. And so he cooked them. He just kind of did a quick broil on him. But he made a crawfish etouffay. And then we poured that et tufei over that fresh goldfish. Now, that's what I'm talking about. Sounds good, but I wouldn't, I don't like fish that somebody else gave somebody. I don't like being the third party.

I mean, I like, you know, I told you. You have trust issues. That's your problem. you i got did i tell you i got busted by willie he caught me the other night so i finally got you go out there because i knew he was in town so i love i was like i'm gonna wait till the sun goes down and i was down poaching on your brother's pod yeah so missy well missy just got back in town and so i thought my heart was right i thought i'm gonna catch her a couple croppy oh we know we know what your heart thought we've already had this discussion because i know where that leads and so i got to a poll and i'm just standing in front of the

door well missy saw me and it she said open the north she said what are you doing i said i'm waiting for the sun to go down she said why i said because i'm going to slip over there and get you a couple of coffee because i know you love them oh boy that's sweet i was like yeah she's like but i'm still not wondering why you're waiting i said well it's willie's palm and even though he doesn't care i don't think i just i know he's in town out of sight out of mind yeah that's what i was saying She said, you're silly. So I go over there, I look around, no sign of life, you know. Because I slip, because Willie's got this crazy dog.

They named him Spass. And if there was ever a name that fit a dog, guess that. And this dog has a keen sense of barking at anybody that comes within 300 yards of the house, which is why Willie likes the dog. Sure. So I slip in there under radar. and you know as soon as I put it in I caught a huge bluegill so I plopped him down on the on the bridge he's got a little nice little bridge there so it's fancy and I just had that sense

when I put it back down that I was being watched but it's dark and so I looked around and there's Willie you know unmistakable you can see him from the moon and he's just standing there she slipped up on me so he purposely snuck up on you too that's I said howdy how'd that take you back to your childhood so here's what was just embarrassing so he said you've been catching them because this bluegill was flopping I said nope I said just old bluegill and about that time I felt just

but then it was a reaction So I set the hook and he's like, oh, what's what he got there? And I was struggling. I said, oh, I said too big. I said, Willie, I went immediate into saying, your cropy are getting too big. Because he's like, I've never seen a crop he's so big. I was like, oh, it's full of them. I said, you got too many of them.

They've taken over this punt. I'm trying to help you. So that was the angle because he's like, I mean, you have a net. he was wondering how he was going to get him over that bridge and he's like just swing him over to the right i was like no i don't want to i said i got this figured out because he because he don't know i've been doing this every day so once i played him down i just slung him over the bridge you know it's a momentum thing and uh he just you know he said you got a camera i mean he's won't take a picture of it i was like you get you get in there you're crappie you know you're gracious enough to let me

Let me fish here. He said, I don't recall giving you that green light. I said, well, tell you what? It's so funny because y'all were talking in code the whole time. It was like, yeah, well, I'm just over here. And, yeah, I don't remember telling it. It was like everybody was having their little conversation. So I was like, you take that copy with you.

But you ended up with a mess for your woman. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the difference in what you need to start doing is what Stone does. So Stone does it the right way. He just goes out there, but he always takes. some to Willie. You've got to give you got to give your tithe. You got to give your tithe. You got to tithe. It's so difficult.

Every time stone. Because you like really sneaking around. Stone or his daughter would kill a deer over here. They'd be a backstrap come my way. That's right. You know, tithing. Chumming. He just. Yeah, that's what I need to do. Staying ahead of the game. That's what. I'll tell you what. That's what I'm going to sneak back over there. And I'm going to catch them and I'll clean them and then bring them to him. this to give him to him one time. That's right. Then you'll never have another.

Good talk. I'm glad we have this talk. Sometimes, sometimes unashamed is about having interventions among our groups here. Y'all didn't like my crawfish and I helped chase that. So we are in June, Dad, which means that people can now get their daily fill. That's a P-H-I-L or F-L-L. This is a 100-day devotional from excerpts from your books.

And so it's some really cool stuff in there to be able to kind of help your daily life. So it's only at Walmart. So if any of you folks out of the Shabby. They were nice enough to stock that. You know, we have a long history with Walmart. Walmart made me a national company. That's right. They really helped our business.

And then the duck call business. And we told the story before how you, speaking of sneaking around, that you were getting duck calls in their store around their buyer. And then eventually they were like, you know, they're doing pretty well. And so they opened us up. But you're right, they made us really a national company. They did. No company before us in the duck hall world was, it was all regional.

You know, so you just, people, some old guy made some duck calls in Texas or somewhere, and that's how they would use that call. Well, there's far more in that little book right there than they were in the duck calls. That's for sure. It is interesting, Dad, when I go to one, I'll look sometimes because you have other books. And it's funny because you're looking at their book aisle in Walmart or Sam's. And almost always they carry our books. And not all bookplaces are created equal.

Sometimes based on your leanings, your political leanings, you don't get in the store or in the door. But Walmart's always been. It's mighty nice. Well, I think it's because most people, you know, that would listen to us, spend some time at Walmart. Certainly we do.

So it's a great company. It's been years since I've done any shopping at any, any stores. But you used to, when y'all used to go on the road to hunt somewhere, wouldn't y'all go to Walmart to get your license? like you were out of state. Yeah, we got the, because they're always open. That was one of the,

the famous Halloween award we won. When we were, we had come back from hunting and we were somewhere, I forgot, Montana, Idaho, somewhere like that. And they were having a Walmart costume award

that most people were not participating in. And they thought we dressed up like the guy from Duck Dynasty. Yeah. And we won. We went in there. Did you win some Duck Dynasty gear? No, I think we won a box of a cupcake.

They ran up to it and said, this is the most life-like costume we've ever seen. Y'all looked just like you're in woods. Did y'all play it like, oh, well, we tried. You know what? We never said a word. They never realized that we were actually the people from Duck Dynasty, and we took our little box of cupcakes that seemed a couple days old because I thought, dang, I thought we would win something bigger.

I was looking for a gift card or something. But no, cupcakes. But yeah, that was a funny story. So I'll never forget when I was somewhere, I want to say Missouri, I was speaking somewhere and I walked into Walmart to get something. And I knew that the show was a phenomenon. I walked in this door, literally, like, as soon as you walk in the door, it was just Duck Dynasty, everything.

Like, it was like we had taken over the whole store. You know what I mean? You still had some of the sections of stuff. It's like they wanted you to know when you come in here, you need some Duck Dynasty pictures, gear, lufas, and there was more crazy stuff that I've ever seen in my life. I guess it's a big deal. Let's take a break. So, I don't know, it's kind of a phenomenon of the show, I guess.

but that's when I realized it was a pretty, it was bigger than. Well, these people that are in charge of that licensing shows. Yeah, it seems like they kind of overdo it. Oh, yeah. Well, when I saw my picture on a pair of underwear at a Walmart store, I thought, what's going on here? Because I didn't get that box for approval. You know, because they had in the contract, no matter what they do for the market house.

If your faces on some, you're supposed to approve it. Yeah, because I probably would have objected to. the face on the underwear. I just would have said, no, we're not going down that road. Here's your secret as you didn't know. Somebody in the organization, our organization probably did give the approval. It just never got to you. Maybe. Maybe.

That's typically what happened. Or it could have been somebody, you know, I'm sure it's a shady world out there as far as, oh, we got permission to do that. Well, one thing I know that the one, the DED from Willie per Willie was, no duck calls. That was the one thing they were absolutely not allowed to make, like even a children's or whatever, because that was, that's our, you know, core brand and our product. So that was one thing.

I know it was off limits, but I noticed toward the end, I was somewhere, and there it was. They called it a kazoo, but it looked like a duck call, and it had that dynastown. I thought, well, somebody broke the rules, you know, it's just like a, you know, it didn't even hardly make. Yeah, a lot of people. So I can't believe y'all. all that. Remember,

I think our cut on it was like 1% of 1%. There's a few zeros behind a decibel. Yeah. That's a decimal. Yeah.

People don't understand that. They'll say, they'll just say, oh yeah, Duck Dynasty. Well, that's not us. A and E owns that.

We're Duck Commander. You know, so keep that in mind if there's any of that out there, by Duck Commander, not Duck Dynasty. Because that shows over for four years.

So, we're in Romans 6. We were talking last time about, we had quite a good conversation about dying to sin. And we talked a little bit about baptism and how that Paul basically says that's that connection point of reenacting what Jesus did for us. Because if you think about it, his resurrection then provides our way out of everything, including sin, including the effects of sin, fear of death, you know, all those things.

And it was a Hebrew writer that said he destroyed the fear of death? I mean, that's what the resurrection does. Because the evil one, well, the power, he limited the one who had the power of death, that is the evil one, and freed those from who all their life were held in slavery. Slavery, there's a word again. To their death. Yeah, right. Which I heard an interesting sermon Sunday.

The guy who preached where the church I was at, he did this on Philemon. And I thought, man, it's a bold move to even say the word slave in our culture. It is. And we talked about last time because it's so hard to differentiate our experiences as a country versus what was going on in the first century. Exactly. But he did it in on Philemon or Philemon, however people want to say it. How did he say it? he said philemon but i say philemon i've always hurt philemon but i'm not sure he may be right

sometimes we're wrong about how those are pronounced but basically he told this story of course i was thinking i wouldn't be doing this i mean you know i was just thinking this where's this going but he talked about philemon being a slave owner which i didn't really realize that and then it was about this fellow in verse 10 onismus and he went through his life as being a slave. Because he was a slave, yeah. Yeah, and then when he, if you

to read kind of what his thought process was, because it ties in with Roman 6th. He says in verse 12, he said I'm sending him this onesimus

who is my very heart back to you. I would have liked to keep him with me so that he could take your place and helping me while I'm in chains for the gospel, which is a sobering thought. But I did not want to do anything without your consent so that any favor you do will be spontaneous and not forced. Perhaps the reason he was separated from you for a little while was that you might have him back for good. And then verse 16 is a key phrase, no longer as a slave, but better than a slave as a dear brother.

He is a very dear to me, but even dear to you, both as a man and as a brother and the Lord. And I skipped this one part in verse, where is that where he said he was useless. Verse 11, it says, formerly he was useless to you, but now he has become useful both to you. Because he came to Jesus, and I think that was profound. His point was we're all the same in Jesus. I mean, he made his whole point about, yeah,

it's more horrible what has happened in our country for somebody to look at somebody's skin color and so you're not as good as me. But that's why he said, but even the way it operated back then, it's not in line with the gospel that even though it was a volunteer basis, you were getting paid.

He's like, this guy's a brother. and who cares that you have this power and you have slaves. I'm going to send him back to you, but I'm not sending him back to you as a slave. He's coming back to you as a brother because he was looking more at the spiritual. So that was kind of the nature of what his point was. And I think, yeah, and I think, well, you look back at, I was thinking about when you were just talking, Jason, we talked about Joseph when we were talking about dreams last time. But, you know, he was sold by his brothers.

because they just didn't have the wherewithal to kill him, even though they wanted to. So they thought they were just getting rid of him. But they sold him. And so he winds up in Egypt, which is amazing because this was all by God's design, because that was the birth then of the Hebrew nation, was Joseph getting sold into Egypt. When he was there, you know, he was mistreated. I mean, like, you know, he was working for Potipher who loved him, you know, because he was so great. But then the wife tried to take advantage of it.

So, you know, it is interesting. And then they wind up in Egypt and a few, you know, a couple hundred years later, all the descendants of Jacob and Joseph wound up enslaved to Egypt. And they were making them do all this work and terrible stuff. But God said, no, my people are not going to be held like this. And so he waylaid Egypt pretty good over their idea. So I guess in a macro sense, that shows you that slavery is not good. I mean, at any level, I mean, whether we're talking about the differences of it, it's just not possible.

they're better than someone else and it's just not true that we're all sinful well first of all we're all made by god in the image of god which makes us all different and unique and god has a purpose for us all we all mess up and for whatever reason the circumstances in life whether it be luck or hard work or fortune where people become in powerful positions where they have people working for them. That's a very tempting thing for a person to then associate that you're better. You're better than this person. And you just think about throughout all of history, the classes of people. It has always been there. I mean, even Jesus himself said you'll always have the poor. I mean, he didn't view it as a class of people, but he's just like, there's going to be

some people that don't have as much money as they need. It's just part of life. Now, if you who are rich think you're better than those who are poor, it's anti-gospels. Well, let's face it. I mean, in our own political structure, the rise of Donald J. Trump, who is a billionaire from New York, was because a lot of people who felt not listened to in our country from states that used to have good jobs and now it's all been shipped to China, those people rose up and voted for Trump because of their class. I mean, because they felt like that elite people were not thinking about them when they were making decisions about it. So I mean, I think...

And the other side basically said, yeah, but he's for putting up walls, which means he thinks we're better than country... I just found it interesting. That it was a billionaire from New York that rose up the middle class. I mean, typically that was always somebody else. Well, what I'm saying, no matter where you go or what line you're at, people are going to use what separates us as the way to communicate. And so now, in an effort for people that I don't even agree with, to say, oh, you know, we're going to single out all the groups of people and have the special months or draw attention to all this, it's still without some kind of common decency or compass to put us all as one, we're never going to be united.

Of course, we find that in Jesus because we do realize that we're made. all made by God we're we all have problems so to me that's the um the umbrella even you know when i was uh i met a guy just this past week and he was introducing all his kids i was hey how you doing hey how you doing hey well then he said well you'll notice you know one's adopted but i didn't notice and he's like well how can you not know he he's kind of like how do you not notice he's not he's a different color of skin. I was like, I just don't,

I don't, I wasn't looking for it. And these are your kids. I, you know, I try to, I just didn't notice. Yeah,

you just don't, and you don't think that first. Let's take another break. All right. But it was strange. We had an interesting conversation because he was like, I just assumed.

I was like, well, don't assume that about me. Because I, it never crossed my mind. These are your kids. And I thought, we all came from God.

And, man, we got into this weird story about redhead. because I was like, I mean, I've seen people with a red-headed kid that neither, you're thinking, well, where did this kid come from? Doesn't look like either one of you, you know. I didn't immediately assume they were adopted.

Or must have a different point. I was like, always stay away from that. I said, of course, I have a dad, you know, and then I told them the story about when you asked the woman how long she had been pregnant, and she's like, I'm not pregnant, Phil. I said, I learned right there to stay away from any comments related to that process. I learned just because a woman has a few more poundage. Don't tie that in with child because it might just be a little insurance there, but Ms. Kay got me out.

She got me out in the rig, chewed me out on that one. Well, the girl went on. Don't ever ask a girl that. I said, I learned a lesson. I said, but I just thought the girl was fixing to have my baby. She just picked up a few pounds. She stayed mad at me for about 20 years. She got over there.

And sometimes women have a baby, and it takes a little while to lose the weight they gained while they had a baby. So sometimes it's right. I was trying to be nice. I didn't know you were pregnant? I'm not. I said, okay. But I look, I think in this culture where you had these classes and what they would, what we translated in some of these translations as slaves you know he's not talking about people here he's

talking about we're slaves to sin but we get the idea of what that is whether it's mentioned eight or nine times from romans six about verse uh five or six in there it's mentioned slaves to sin and down there it's pretty pretty cool i thought verse 14 uh sin and sin shall not be your master because you have slave masters. If you're slave to sin, you're like, sin shall not be because you're not under law, but under grace. So get that in your head.

And it comes on down 15. When you offer yourself someone to be slaves, you're slaves to the one whom you obey, whether you're slaves to sin, which leads to death, are to obedience, which leads to... He's talking about a heart change and a...

What do you call it? The qualities of your new life must be the result of your slaves. But thanks me to God, though, you used to be slaves of sin. A lot of people missed this text, and for years, I had trouble grasping it. you used to be a slave to sin. You wholeheartedly obeyed

the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. So there's a form to, when you point people to the person Jesus Christ, who had plenty of lead time, he's coming. So when he finally

gets there, he dies for the sins of the world and he told him he was going to do it. He would be buried and raised from the dead. He told him that. He didn't, wasn't like it came out of the blue. Well, you know, they finally got him. He said, no, that's why I'm here. Yeah. I'm going to die and be buried and raised from the dead. Well, I think the significant part here is the reason you shouldn't try to sin, which is. Form of teaching is my question. You used to be a slave to sin, but now you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were interested. Well,

well, just think about it. Well, what's the form? What's the formula? What's, it means something. Right. Well, I think it's this grace versus law. It says, because he started off saying, what shall we say then? Well, we go on sin and so that grace be increased.

Well, then when he gets to 14, after he just said, you'll offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master because you're not under law, but under grace. I think the form of teaching is the same thing he's been saying every chapter, that it's the righteousness from God, which is the grace that has now become your master. But grace as a master is hard to wrap your head around because it's just God's love and forgiveness not based on your merit or performance. By the way, when Jesus was baptized and John said, you know, you ought to be baptize me. He said, suffer this to be this way. Go ahead and do this. But then he said a remarkable

statement, to fulfill, baptize me to fulfill all righteousness or put in another way to make everything right. Well, why would he do that when a person looks down and reads his text about being baptized in water? Well, if Jesus said, you need to do that. Well, if Jesus said, you need to do that. this to make everything right. So that's when the dove, the Holy Spirit landed on him, the reception of the spirit from that time on, he began to perform miracles. And you look at that, you say, this is not to be overlooked. Because it wasn't because he had sin.

No. That's right. So it had to be because the one character. It's that form, that form right there. No, I think the form is, because if you don't have huge. humility, you won't do it. Because what is baptism in and of itself? You're just, someone has you by the nap of the neck and you're just like, I give, I give.

So you read Philippians 2.5. I mean, you know, Philippians 2, 1 through 3 is like, do nothing out of selfish ambition or vanquencee that says treat others, which is what we're talking about here, better than yourselves, which is the opposite of what we've done. as far as making people slaves to other people. He's saying the opposite. You need to treat people like they're better than you instead of you being better. And so then he's like, your attitude should be that of Christ Jesus,

who being in very nature of God, didn't consider equality with God, something to be grasped, but he made himself nothing. So he humbled himself, which it goes on to say, and became obedient to death, even death on a cross. Well, we're talking about death here. So the key word in there is our death, our death to our sin by surrender to Jesus through baptism, which was what we're discussing. Has that, if your attitude is going to be like that of Jesus, there is some humility there. It's hard.

Even though people say, well, oh, what do you think you're doing? You're saving yourself. It was very difficult for me to humble myself and say, will you baptize me? I mean, that was just hard for me to do. I just thought, man, it's embarrassing that I'm going to go out to some water and believe this is real. Not only that, and let someone dunk me under the water. I mean, I was a probable person. It may explain why when I was baptized in the young lady in the river, and there was about 10 of us gathered there,

and two fishermen happened to be fishing on the bayou, and they come around a curve. And when they looked up, people were singing, and I was standing in the water, and the young lady, and I just looked up at them. I said, y'all won't in on this action? And I've never seen two people leave that fast in a boat and motor. I don't think they were ready.

Let's take another break. So there's another thing that happens, though, and when you said this, Dad, it reminded me this. here's what John said was the reason why he did it. In verse 2029, it says the next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. This is the one I meant when I said, a man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me, which is that mind bender. But then he says, I myself did not know him. And remember, they're cousins. He didn't know he was the son of God. I didn't know him, but the thing. I didn't know him,

the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel. So the other thing it does, it did in Jesus' case, was he revealed him as the Lamb of God. But if you think about it, it's the same with us. Not only is it deal with our sin, it also tells the world, I've made the choice. You've got to remember among the Jews, too. That's an interesting point you just made. No one was being immersed in water, pushed under the water. That was a, you know, you know, no one had ever heard of that.

They had water in the temple, you know, as a cleansing. Yeah, the idea of washing there. Right. But that was just more the idea of when you come into this place, you know, you want to be clean. But in this context, I mean, he, right before what you read, Phil, he kind of says without saying, well, that wasn't his point. But he uses some verbiage that, I think, helps us understand it. Because he said in verse 15 of chapter 6, he basically asked the same question he asked in verse 1. shall we sin because we're not under law and under grace?

He's like, by no means, don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone, that's why I brought up the humility, you're offering yourself to obey him as slaves. You're slaves to the one whom you obey, whether you are slaves to sin, which leaves to death or to obedience, which leads to righteousness. And then it's like when he gets down to verse 19, he... That tells you it's not an empty ritual type. He's like, you're offering yourself to God because you believe this is true. And then he kind of like is almost embarrassed for having to use this illustration about being a slave.

Because he says, I put this in human terms of verse 19 because you are weak in your natural cells. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever increasing wickedness. So now offer them a slavery or righteousness, leaving you. to holiness. Then it says when you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you're now ashamed of? Those things result in death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit

you reap leads to holiness. And the result is eternal life for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is the eternal life in Christ Jesus. I just like that part that in the middle of that, he's like, the only reason I'm using this illustration is because you're weak. you don't get it. You know what I mean? But you understand the concept of people thinking they're better than other people.

We're going to do the opposite. We're going to humble ourselves and offer ourselves to God because the only way that God being our master would be a positive thing is if he's the only one worthy because he's all righteous and all good. It's all motivated by grace and he would never mistreat us. And he would never, you know, because all those things that has made that. a terrible thing, well, he would never do. It's a good part. I like that Paul resets the whole life situation for humanity all the way back to the

beginning with this whole line of reasoning. Because what he says is basically you've got one choice. You're already a slave to sin, to evil, because that's what natural men do. It's dragging you around by the note. And it's not a great, it's a terrible master. I know what he's had ever-increasing week. Sin is progressive. I mean, the more you dive into it, it never ends.

It never ends. Never ends. And it just, you just keep getting into more and more trouble. It's like once you all- You see the result of it all around you. Yeah. And you do that for enough generations. You get the situation like you did back in Genesis 6.

You implode. One choice, one choice to be like God and to define one sin, leads four chapters later to every thought was an inclination of violent. I want to kill people. I want to rule the thing. I mean, it got so bad, so fast. How'd that happen, sin? I mean, once it was introduced.

I've said this before, but I ask, when people, the time where this chapter comes up is when you meet somebody who had a conversion experience with Jesus, and they're living like the devil. and so somewhere somebody says somebody needs to talk to this guy because he's out here just living like a hellion but he's supposedly in the faith and so you bring up Romans 6

because you're like what you're doing is the direct opposite of what this says you've offered yourself to God but you're being led around as a slave to sinful behavior

You took it back. So you read this because you're like, that's why I always ask that question, who did we bury? Because I make them go back to when they offered themselves to God. So who did you offer? Where is that person? Did we bury this person or is it still here? And it's always a poignant moment in the conversation because they're sitting there thinking the opposite has happened. Maybe I didn't offer myself to God.

doesn't look like it. And it's not like you're judging them. You're just asking them based on this, what happened here? Can we go to your grave, your spiritual grave? Could you take me, where did this happen? You heard about Jesus. You had that heart change. You decided this is it, you know.

And at some point you're baptized and you're like, let's go back there and visit. You know, you're trying to get them to go back in their mind and have these little sayings that are in here of the offering yourselves. We know that our old self was crucified. Well, do you know your old self was crucified? Because it doesn't look like it. Let's take one last break. But, Jays, how many times have you talked to somebody? And I have to talk to people who are listening to the podcast.

So it happens a lot to me that said, you know, I grew up a certain way and they'll tell it. it's usually people we meet or associated with a church or with a group. And they were like, you know, I got baptized or I got saved or I believe Jesus when I was a certain age. And then all of a sudden, they really faced what goes out in the world. They hit their teenage years. They just got in with the wrong crowd. I was in college. Things went out of control.

And so by the time now, we're having a conversation. They're 20s, late 20s, which is where you were. And they're looking back and they thought, well, I felt like maybe I knew him at one. time but to be honest with you i don't know him at all because my life has been terrible for the last five 10 well and you have a memory their track record it has finally dawned on the right yeah i've seen people like they go back and they're like what were you were you know when you were baptized or when you accepted christ and got 60 years old he's like you know i don't remember what i ate for supper last week i don't i don't even know so i think it's ultimately between people and god and you have an individual

different experiences. That's right. Yeah, you got a Bible here that leads you to Jesus. And if you're honest with your life, because I usually say, are you out there sharing Jesus with people? And they're like, no, I've never done that. I'm like, so what are you doing? And if it looks like Romans 1, well, you know, the back end of Romans 1.

What, who are you? It's your decision, but it just doesn't look like you have had this encounter. and you didn't offer yourself. There has been a giant leap from Romans 1, 18, and following. The wrath of God is being revealed against all godlessness and wickedness and wickedness of men who suppressed the truth by their wickedness. What may be known about God is playing to him. He's made it plain.

Well, there's a large leap, the ramifications of that sin. As we've built through the thing. And death. And you say you jump to Romans 6 and, boy, does everything begin to, Well, that's why I made that analogy about gross to grace because you read Romans 1. It is good news, right? And you're like, this is gross. And I think people have to look at that in their life.

They're like, is my life gross or is it filled with God's grace? I mean, because really, it's not real blurry. It's usually one of the two. And only you know what's going on in your mind to know that. It's hard for other people to come in there and tell you what you want to hear. when if you're being honest with yourself, God knows your heart and you know your heart. I don't.

So it's like, they're like, give me some information how I'll know. And I'm like, who are we trying to kid here? Because the story of Jesus is pretty simple. And how you respond to it's pretty simple. It is. And how you live your life. I mean, you know, there's a difference in trying and struggling and being open about your life.

And because to me, doesn't mean that we don't have flaws. And even in these questions, should I sin so that grace may increase? No, but guess what? We do anyway. But how you respond to that that God is real and I'm open about my mistakes and the things that I'm inferior about. By the way, Jay, while you're there, I've talked to many, many, many who will say, I need to talk to you. And what they will say is right before they start their story or why they're behaving like they're behaving.

is they'll say, look, this thing's pretty complicated. So they're telling me, what I'm fixed to tell you is real complicated regarding my drug use, my hoaring around,

am I getting drunk? They say it's complicated. And I'm already thinking, I'm thinking, okay, so I hear what the complication is. When I come as so complicated, because of me,

it's very simple. And it comes out is somebody just enslaved to sin. You said Jesus is Lord. Back in 93, you said Jesus is Lord, but now you're saying you're not living like He's Lord,

and you're saying it's complicated. No, it's not complicated. Well, we make it complicated. You said Jesus' Lord, but here's the thing. You didn't mean it. And it's just like somebody saying that's married, and they said, I'm going to love the rest of your life.

I'm going to be faithful to you. And they stand before the preacher and say all the right words, And then they go out and they have affairs and they do terrible things. You know what happens? You didn't mean it. You said it, but you didn't mean it. I think you meant it at the time, but things change.

Circumstances change. But that's the, what I'm saying is that's the difference, OJ's, in fully saying I'm yours versus the other way. Because, you know, if you really meant it when you love your wife, you're going to treat her with respect, you're going to do all the things you say you want to do. Because you recognize life is difficult, and so is your spiritual life.

Right. And when you read the Bible cover to cover, nowhere in here, does it give the illusion that this is all going to be easy and pain free? In fact, nowhere. In fact, we've been saying we've been kind of given previews ahead, but next time we get back into this, that's why Paul wrote Roman 7. Which is the lead-up because that is the struggle. But the struggle is that not, it's like my wife and I, we've had all sorts of problems, different circumstances. You know, having a kid with special needs and things happen. So it's no longer like, you know, I'm going to, do I question whether I want to stay

married? It's more coming from the perspective of, oh, I have a partner to help me and I can help her get through this. Right. And I think that's the same. Because when you said I do, you mean it. And whatever is going to come our way, I mean it. We're doing this together.

She just said this many times when we disagreed or whatever we were doing. She was like, what happened to this? Let's do it together stuff. Which is always a great statement. And I'm like, you're right. You are right. So when you hear people say, oh, I just need some time, well, that's just something that you made up. That means let me go out here and do something mischievous to help me through this to solve the pain.

or because, you know, even when a boyfriend and girlfriend wake up, I mean, you know, they break up and then they're like, let's just take some time. That's as strong of a, you're out as you're ever going to get. What that means is you're called. You just hadn't been fully made aware of that situation. Yeah, that's the best thing I can think to describe it. But it's the same way when people use on social media, feel like a lot of people's relationship status because I know you don't you're not on that and I haven't been on there

in a couple years myself the the precursor to you're being given the given the door is you know you get a little text that says we need to talk you're out well look on social media feel they have a they'll have a they'll have that means you're out feel on your profile they'll put they'll put relationship status so whatever social media I'll say relationship status there's a button you can push that says it's complicated. That's what I'm talking about. I wonder how I got there. One of the other ones is complicated.

I guess there's just married single. I mean, it's like the typical things. Of course, you know, in our culture, there's like 10 different choices you can be. But one of them is it's complicated. I mean, it's literally become something that's socially acceptable. to be under the delusion. No one understands what I've been going through. That it's complicated.

And the reason I brought up marriage is, because Paul does, that's the illustration he's going to use next in Roman 7. And we've talked about this a lot. It really is one of the closest things in our culture that we can relate to making a decision to commit yourself to something that heavy. I mean, you know, you're talking about doing that in marriage. I mean, this is that on steroids, you know, which is he'll talk quite a bit about this. But look, I know we're out of time.

But the last thing I'm going to say, because we're joking and laughing around about this, and it's real people's lives and the problems are real. But you got to remember this whole question of God's grace being the focal point of this is that God's grace righted all wrongs. Correct. So when you think, well, why can't I say it's complicated? Because God gave you a way to whatever wrong that's happened for it to be right. That's right.

So you ultimately have no excuse. which you started off Romans 1 saying that because the power of God, you're like, well, that seems simple. Well, it is. So the hard part is having that humility and offering yourselves in that grace and to trust him that even though it's difficult or complicated as you might think it is, once you just say, I'm done, take this over. I'm going back to my creator. Let's face it, you don't really, most people don't make that decision unless they're pretty desperate. Yeah. living that life of sin to say, you know what, I got to get out.

All three of us had that experience. There was a time of our life where we said, you know what? I'm done. And that's when you're ready because your performance is never going to be good enough. You're never going to figure it out. It's always going to be too complicated. And the rest of your life becomes your transformation as it goes and it helps other people. So that's good.

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