Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 291 | Jase Gets a Big Shock in Amish Country and What Phil Tells God Every Night

Episode Date: June 9, 2021

Jase tells jokes to a pumped crowd in Amish country, and he's shocked by what he discovers during his visit. Phil wishes he had gotten the invite since he has Amish tendencies. Jase learns who Pee-wee Herman is. And Phil talks about what he tells God every night before he falls asleep. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? The problem is everybody's a little groggy, so we had another big wedding that dad and I, you know, you missed the wedding. Well, but I was at the rehearsal. Yeah. But I left early, which was embarrassing.

But I mean, that thing, were you at that? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I got stuck in a bad, I pulled a bad move. I did not think I had. For some reason, mom, and Ann wanted to ride over with us. Oh, I saw you there.

That's how bad my brain is fried. I sat out and talked to you. We had about a 15-minute conversation. I've had about four hours sleep in the last 48 hours because I've been in Ohio. But before I went, I had to get up at 4, 45 in the morning and leave. So that was after the wedding rehearsal, the next morning. So I left, you know, Willie. his daughter.

Well, they started it on the, the, the testimonials. It was about 930 when they started that. And I thought, well, I got to get up here. Well, you know what it ended? I mean,

I was already gone to, but it ended about 1045. Yeah. I mean, it went on for a while. So, of course, I got home,

and I didn't, it's not like I left and went, you know, to bed because I had to get packed up and I had other things. I had to get ironed out because I was leaving to go to Ohio. But when I,

flew out or got to the airport to fly out we got on the plane so now it's like whatever time it was 630 we got on the plane and then they were like we were on the plane for 90 seconds and they're like it's time time to get off you're in monroe yeah i was here in monroe and so and they said we have a fog issue because i had to fly to houston to get to where I was going at in Ohio. And so get off. But you know these smaller airports that we have, they basically said there was a fog issue.

And my assistant who was meeting up with me in Houston, they were like, well, ask them, you know, if this is going to affect your connection. And I was like, well, I would, but there's nobody here. You know, the desk was empty. Yeah. And it remained empty until 9 o'clock. Oh, yeah.

They processed your flight. and then they disappear somewhere. Nothing. She came out of the door and said, we're ready to board. Well, by this time, we weren't sure. Yeah, we missed the connection, but we were on standby for the next one,

which would put us an hour late to the event. Oh, boy. And so, of course, my assistant, they worked out, and they said, hour late's fine. But so then by the time we got there, the closer it started getting, it's like, we're still on standby.

And I was like, well, explain to them, Stand by means you got a 50-50 chance of this. Stand-by, sir. I don't think they realize, you know, because if we want to make, we can't drive, it's too far. Too far. I was like, but I don't know if they're interested in a private plane. Maybe we can work something out as far as, you know, contributing to the thing I was asked to come to. It was called Operation 612, which was taken from Ephesian 612.

Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the spiritual forces of evil in the dark world. That's a good name. Yeah, it was good. And so they deal with the typical, you know, alcohol abuse, drug world, pornography, all these things that people, the vices that people get hooked into. What I didn't know until I got there, we eventually had to get the private plane and scramble,

when we got there on time. But I flew into Columbus. We had about, I don't know, an hour drive or whatever. And so we get out here and all of a sudden, the vehicle's a bad word. The mode of transportation changed just at the snap of a finger. Because we're in a truck. But the people that were coming up on are in horses.

and buggies. And it just got to a point, the further we went into these rolling hills, the more horse and buggies, I thought, boy, there, where we are? Where are we at? And they said, this is the heart of Amish country, which at that time, I didn't know that there's almost, there's a community of, you know, nearly 100,000 in Ohio. Yeah, that's big. I think it's the largest one in Pennsylvania has a large group.

And so I was like, oh, is this, is this operation? 612, are these Amish people? And the guy driving, he's like, oh, yeah. I was like, everybody, he's like, pretty much. So we were just. I was a wonderful ride into a great place to go. It was probably beautiful. It was literally like I had fallen through some kind of crack in the modern world.

Into a time portal. You know, I say kudos to them. Yeah. Well, Phil, you know, my opening line, well, one of my opening lines was. was because once I got to mingle because the first thing I did was I did the Q&A we did a Q&A at the the house that where the people check in and they counsel and help try to get off drugs and alcohol but the more I was around the people I realized I said yep I got my opening line I said well I just want you all to know y'all been real hospitable and this will make you feel better

but my dad, Phil Robertson, I've learned this in the last, because I was there about four and a half hours. He has Amish tendencies. No doubt about it. They actually laugh. That's a good opening. Yeah. So what made me feel good about it is... The price of gas is a moot point with these people, because I kind of like it.

Well, you know what? It's interesting now. They don't mind so much. much gas engines because the tractor there, oh, it's a, they love tractors. I saw on the side of a hill the largest tractor burial ground, I would say, in my opinion, probably on the face of the earth. But it looked spectacular. It was like, it wasn't something, you know, like around here, we got junk cars.

I'm saying, there was. It's not very impressed with the ride out here for. Both sides of the road here. These tractors had their own little space. The grass was manicured. And this was like, it was a spectacle that looked like there was some affection put in to the burial. So this is like a proud look at former tractors. It was a tractor shrine.

Tractor graveyard. Yeah. But it was done with affection. Well, it's funny you say that because, you know, we talked about the Amish on here on the podcast. weeks back and somebody sent me an email and said because we were talking about cell phones and I said you know we were talking at the time we were in Michigan and spoke and there were a lot of Amish there and they said a lot of young Amish now have cell phones which I thought was interesting I don't know if this person was right or not but that's what he said well could I've they've sent messages they

to Dan well that's what I learned and and I want to be you know sensitive about their culture so I could and if they don't have one but I did receive messages they say that The older folks still don't. Yeah, I asked some of them, is that allowed? They said, well, with us it is, but a lot of people, they... Well, that's what I was going to explain to you. What I came to find out... I volunteered not to have a cell phone.

If I mess this up, I'm apologizing. I'm not apologizing to most Amish people because they're not... They don't have something, a device to hear what I'm actually saying right now. But some might. But, yeah, so I don't... Because look, overall, I mean, they welcome me, and we had an awesome time. There was more than a thousand, maybe 1,500 people

on the side of a hill, you know, under a tent. I mean, we couldn't all fit under the tent, but it went out of sight. Well, that was my question. How did they even know who you were? I mean, like... I also used that line. I said, look, the fact that it seems like most of you

knows who I am means that somebody has got a TV around here, and we got some closet TV watchers. which they didn't really laugh at that. And I said, y'all need to have a meeting about that. That's a pretty good laugh at there.

Yeah, I said that. Because I thought, here's what the guy told me, which the guy, Larry, who is one of the guys who does its ministry, who's one of the leaders of the group that are helping the guys get off drugs and gals, drugs and alcohol, because he works in the Amish community. Well, he was raised Amish, and he said, yeah, I kind of, when he's, When I grew up, I kind of departed, you know. And he made a statement, though, that got my attention. He's like, because I said, do all these people believe in Jesus?

He said, yes, which I was like, really? Yeah. But their churches are basically the difference in the churches are kind of the difference in the way they view the rules of functioning in society. Yeah, yeah. And so, but he said, when I left, he said, I found grace. and he said, I had moved to Alabama and I found grace. He said, but I, you know, he said, I just stick with Jesus and the grace of God.

And he feels, you know, led to help, which I'm saying kudos to him. Oh, look, it was awesome. Him and his wife were awesome. And so, and he's like, you know, I wanted to shake him up a little bit and bring somebody like you. And the guy that spoke before me was a guy who was a former Hell's Angel. who was converted to Jesus, and he helps in the program or went through the program. I can't remember the specifics. And I thought, boy, because I mean, look, this guy was bringing it.

And I said, oh, this is how they preach up. And he's like, no, they're really uncomfortable right now. He said, but I figured, you know what, we're already bringing you up here. Let's just go for the whole Angelada. And he said, they're not going to respond to you. And don't take it personal. he said because that's just kind of the way we are we don't we're not real vocal it's kind of a respect thing you know but he was wrong because they did because i went out there kind of making fun

of them in a in a funny way like you know about each other yeah and i was like somebody had been watching a tv well they all laughed and so and and look i had this moment happen right off the bat that really helped me so they're giving away two duck calls i'm up there i didn't even start speaking yet but they wanted to give away two duck calls and you know the you got a picture of the scene here uh the amish community they all they have these beards that are all what are you manicured somewhat and they don't have a must yeah they have different hats and and the women have these little dresses on that that are handmade they have the little white the bonnet yeah bonnet hat so you got remember most of the people had that kind of garbon and i don't remember most of the people had that kind of garbon and

I didn't realize that whatever kind of hat you got means what church group you're with and what clan you're from. And I'm learning all this and how your beard looks and everybody's got their clans here. But everybody was super nice. And I didn't say this. My arrival was with this guy named Melvin, who, I mean, he looked at far. Because Melvin said, I'll give a big contribution to y'all's. Back to the. Well, let me finish my story.

Well, but while you're there. but he looked the part as opposed to you not looking the part or not looking the part. I had the beer. We're discussing whiskers here, which is a phenomenon that we can do nothing about. Yeah, but they had, Dad, they spend a lot of time on theirs, unlike, you know. I think they looked at my beard is in need of some work. Yeah. I felt that.

Were you wearing your hat, your normal hat? Oh, yeah. And I didn't have the, you know, the black square head. Hang on, Jay's, let's take a break. So I'll get back to what, giving the duck call away. But so Melvin says I'll give a big contributor. He tells one of the leaders if Jace will ride in my tractor. Because I've noticed the two vehicles they're concerned about more than anything else is that horse and buggy and that tractor.

This guy drove a 1955 restored tractor 55 miles just to be there. I said, how long did it take you? He said all day. So they asked me if I would do that. They said for you to you, you know, for you to arrive, for your arrival, you know, Melvin wants to take you on a ride on his tractor. So I was like, and he's going to do what? He's going to give us a contribution. I was like, okay.

So I get on the tractor. So I come in, you know, but everybody's just sitting there as I'm driving in. So I started doing like, I mean, what's wrong? Come on. How about this? We're here. You know, we're on a 195 tractor, me and Melvin. Melbourne had a smile on his face the whole time.

So they kind of started getting into it. I thought we're breaking down some walls. You're working the crowd coming in. Yeah, but what's funny is when I got on the tractor with Melvin, I said, I said, I feel like we should be playing a song because I forgot where I was at. I said, I feel like we need to crank up a little Jason Al Dean here. And he said, now who's that? I said, you know, big green tractor.

I said, what kind of music you listen to? And he's like, come again? I said, do you like? I could never speak in an Amish event. I use way too many pop culture. So I said, I said, do you like country music? That's what I said. He said, I love country music.

I said, oh, Jason Aldeen. That's who I'm talking about. Big Green Tractor. I kind of started singing it. And he's like, I don't follow you. I said, well, you love country music. And he kept pointing, which, look, I didn't get till today when I thought about this story. What he, he had two American flags because they're a real patriotic.

He had two American flags. He thought I was talking about country music. The country. Not, he had no concept of what I was talking about. So we arrived at both kinds, country and western. Yeah, so I thought he makes up crazy. So we give away the two duck calls with this girl wearing, the drip beautiful girl

you know just because there there was thousands of little tickets where you can win she wins but I felt this poor girl she won a duck call how embarrassing so she comes down to get it and I put a little Bible verse on it you know I hand it to him and she said uh I used one of Miss Kay's

recipes last night well I was so shocked that number one she knew who I was because they told me they're like these people are not going to know who you are because they were under the delusion that I was that there's no TVs around here. No, somebody has, we have a leak somewhere. This woman, she said, I use one of recipes. I said, well, which one?

And she said, frog legs. I said, y'all have frogs in Ohio? She's like, oh, yeah. I was like, well, how'd it go? She said, well, it was a couple of them. I didn't cook long enough because it didn't really specify on how long I cook them. And the frog legs were big. So when I turned around, and then they're like,

Jayce Robertson's all like, oh, I'm speaking. So I said, I'll tell you what, I am feeling a lot better about this community was called Fresno. I said, I'm feeling a lot better about Fresno, Ohio at this moment. And they were just looking. I said, because I just met, her name was Reithy. I said, and she cooked frog legs last night for her family. You know, and then they kind of chuckled. But I was shocked.

Yeah. And so I basically. did my speech and, you know, I noticed... Did you alter it or did you just do your normal? Well, I was thinking in my mind since what I had gathered is that we have possibly some rule-oriented... Which we talk a lot about on the podcast. You know, I thought, I'm going to lean on grace heavily.

And so a couple times I would make a statement because, you know, I don't have notes or anything. And I did. I went through my duck calls because it was a perfect segue because we had just given them away. Right. But look, when I went to Genesis 9 and talked about the birthplace of hunting, these people, they like this. Yeah.

And they were responding. And they were, because they live off the land. Yep. They're simple people. And, you know, on my way, you'd see families working out in the yard. And even some of them, they're like what they call making hay, which is your family going out there and literally just cutting it down by hand and stacking it up. Right. Of course, I'm like, well, you have, I thought y'all like tractors.

And they're like, yeah, but, you know, our kids, they need to work. I said, oh, my damn, I would love this. So, but look, when I introduced Jesus, I mean, I probably subliminally, you know, leaned on the grace of God. Because really, look, it's not that we don't mind hard work. I just wanted to make it clear that we work for God because of the grace of God. I mean, that's our motivation. So, yeah, but hey, they could not have been more engaging.

And I would say almost raucous. Yeah. Well, don't you love that they were so open to having you? I mean, like, you know, most groups that, you know, in their own thing, don't allow outside people to give them, you know, to make them think a little bit. So that shows me that these were for that many people to show up, you know, for. And I'll tell you. There's a difference between rule, key.

keeping. Colossin says after just after a person's baptism, spiritual circumcision, he canceled the written code with all the rules and regulations, which was against us and stood opposed to us. But he goes on to say in chapter three, since then it's going to do it in Romans 7 too that we'll look at. Since you've been raised with Christ speaking of their baptism, set your hearts on things above, it's a mind change here, where God is seated. where Christ is seated at the right hand of God, there to mediate for us because we're under grace. Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things,

which would include getting drunk, getting high, and the things you were challenged. For you died your death to sin. Your life is now hidden with Christ and God. When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you'll appear with him in glory. And then he says this, and a lot of people miss this. there is a demand of a changed life at a mode of operandi, as we all put it.

Some would say rules. It's not like rules. You have a change of heart from what you were delivered from and the price paid for you. So, you put, therefore, you put to death whatever belongs to your earthly nature. The first on the list, of course, is what James was addressing. in Ohio, sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these things, the wrath of God is coming. You used to walk in these ways in the life you once lived.

This is the before grace, and then now it's after grace. But now, rid yourself of all such things as anger, rage, malice, slander, filthy language from your lips. Great qualities. Great qualities. not lie to each other since you've taken off your old self, that one died at your baptism and was buried. And here's the new one. You've put on the new self, the old is gone, which is being renewed and acknowledged of Christ. There's no difference between Jew, Greek, circumcised, uncircised, barbarous, get the enslave, free. Christ is all and in all. Therefore, and look,

he says, start being this way. Compassion. Clothe yourself with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, patience. It sounds like the fruit of the spirit. Bear with each other. Whatever. Forgive each other of grievances. It has to be a change of lifestyle.

It's just an exercise in Bible verses and knowing Jesus and what he was like and becoming like him. if that's ever lost, well, then you get down to the rules and all the regulation. Then you start arguing about things that don't amount to a hill of beans. I could tell that's the number one problem there because some of them have rules. Because I was being very inquisitive. I was like, well, what are the rules? And I mean, some of the rules of some of the groups that he said, I was just like,

really? That's a rule? They're like, that's a rule. And it would, I won't get into the specifics. But I just thought, well, I mean, what about? The grace of God. I kept, and Phil, I went to Colossians, too. He's like, oh, I know Colossians, too, like the back of my hand.

Because in this guy's predicament, he said, I used to argue with him. He said, I really did. But I now realize that I got to live by my own, you know, faith, what saved me. The grace of God is what is the basis for you to make any change. That is correct. And I do want to say this. What occurred to me is that no matter what you do, I mean, we talk about how technology and everything has affected our society, which is true. But here, for the most part, these people, they're not in, this is like I was in 1940, maybe, even in a place that, I mean, there's a few of them that have emails and cell phones and all, because it, depending on what group they're with.

But for the most part, we got horse and buggies here. You know, the number one problem there is when a car runs into a horse and a buggy, because I have. that because i mean we had three near wrecks getting there you're going 55 miles an hour around the corner there's here's a horse that's tired he's going one mile an hour and i was like what happens when when they collide he's like nothing good you know that's bad all the way around let's take another break but my point is no matter you have you can't have any more different of a culture and yet we have the same problems yeah We have a drug epidemic.

I said, how big a problem is it? He's like, he said, look at all the support. I mean, 1,500 people showed up from their community. And these are people that are perfectly content with sitting on the porch. Trust me, I got that impression. Whether you put yourself under the written code that's been canceled for you, it's been canceled. You're not under the written code anymore.

You're under grace. But either way you look at it, it affects them the same way it does, the heathen in the cities. That's what was the most profound thing I thought. Which is really good for you to see that. And it especially fits the context of what we've been talking about in Romans. Because, you know, we've been talking about these different groups that Paul, you know, kind of shows in the first three chapters.

And you had an opportunity to another group in our culture that choose to live differently, which we all think is a good idea of what they do. But it doesn't, you still can't take away all the same struggles. Yeah. I don't know whether you brought it up. But it does, Paul did say to the Thessalonians, and I live by it, make it your ambition. You say your ambition, meaning this is where you want to go. To live a quiet life, you say, well, they pretty well.

No, they got that verse down. I know. Live a quiet life. Mind your own business. They got that version down. Work hard. They got that. Now, they're out working.

Everybody is. Because I saw kids running. Let me finish. So that your daily life, well, we're in the respect of outsiders so that you won't be dependent on anybody. Yeah. Any way you look at it, the mode of operandi that they currently are on, I can't knock it.

Oh, well, that's why I said. But now, if you get down to get down to think that you're saved by works, your works, you're missing the point. Well, right. You live under grace, you say, but you can still, live a quiet life, you mind your own business, work hard. You say, you can still be that way in the middle of it all. So a lot of them say, well, you know, I'm too simplistic, but I'm just, I'm a simple man.

I don't, it's not rocket science. It's not bad to be so many. So it's funny, just yesterday, I didn't know all this, obviously. So I preached yesterday from Romans 4 because we're a little bit behind it. That'd be a far where we're on the podcast. And, you know, the same stuff we talked about, folks that mostly on Abraham, but it was about grace because there's no doubt that the term righteousness is what I was focused on yesterday. And of course, Jason's preaching this Sunday, which you're excited about it.

But I'm going to Indiana in between. So trust me, Al, I'm winging it. Well, you're winging. It'll be better than most others. But, yeah, I wanted to talk about something I focused on that we didn't focus on the podcast when we were in Romans 4 because I think it fits the discussion we're having right now. Because we focused on Abraham, which the chapter does mostly. Because the idea is that remember from Romans 1, 16, 17, the gospel is what reveals and produces the righteousness. And then the righteous will live by faith. But think about it out. While you're there, by our standard, all these years later from the day of Abraham, he was a very simple man. That's right. I mean, everybody were pretty simple men and women back in those days.

Just think about what they didn't have to lure you in. to the drugs like, I mean, yeah, okay, the wine was there. But you say, overall, there's, it's a lot easier now to fall victim to these things that are swirling all around you. Especially once you leave a simplistic lifestyle. Right. And the main thing that Paul was trying to accomplish with Abraham was that he preceded all the things that the current people he was talking to thought made them righteous. That's right. He preceded law.

He preceded the chosen people. He preceded the nation. He preceded circumcision. All those things, his faith is what he's trying to get across. What we didn't talk about on the podcast that I talked about yesterday, which I found was interesting, is, you know, he also quotes David in Romans 4. You know, from Psalm 32 when he says, David says, my sins are forgiven. My sins are covered.

My sins are not counted against me. And that's from Psalm 32. And so I asked the question yesterday on my sermon. So what made David righteous? Was it that he was of Jewish heritage? Was it that he was under law? Was it that he was the king of Israel? No, to any of those.

It's because he figured out under that system of works. Faith in God. It was faith in God. And then I told them, I said, if you really want to know why David was a man after God's on heart, go read Psalm 51. Because there, after the affair with Bashiba and his family, had fallen apart and then he had to have Nathan come and convince him that he was wrong and he got so you know worked up about it that he was so broken and then listen to some of these words I know my

transgressions my sin is always before me against you and you only have I sinned surely I was sinful at birth from the time my mother conceived he's like I'm so bad that surely it went all the way back even at the beginning this is how bad I am but then he comes back at the end says creating me, restore me, cleanse me, save me. My sacrifice is a broken spirit, a broken and contrite heart. It was David's recognition of his own sinfulness. And so I made the point that that's where we have to be to understand how good God's grace is. You are correct. And to be able to accept it. So that's where basically righteousness comes from. Exactly. Is that. So it was a good point. We didn't really get a chance to dive in today because we see most over time on the podcast,

I'm about Abraham. But you look at any of the other. those ancients, the ones that understood their weaknesses and knew that they couldn't do it on their own, but then cried out to God. That's why we've talked about Job before. Joe was the same way. And he's ancient, ancient. He was way back there, you know, pre-flood probably. And yet he understood that it's not me. And even when bad stuff happens to you, it's not me. Pretty well, I put my head on the pillow every night and tell God. God, what you just said, David did, I'm right there. Yeah.

I said, look, I could have done a lot better here. I'm 75 here, though. I could have been a lot better. Right. But it is what it is. Forgive me. Thank you for your grace. That's right.

Without it, I'd be a dead now. I'm pretty much the same. That's kind of way my prayer is every night. And I do the same thing. It's funny because I do mine every morning. That's how I wake up. I'm no good. I can't do it on my own.

I have nothing to offer myself, but inspire me through your Holy Spirit today to be your spokesman, whatever that means and wherever I go, you know, which is powerful. But I think all of us probably have to look at our lives that way and get to that place before we can really understand what Grace is. Yep. Which, you know, if you're focused on works and you're focused on law, you're not going to be able to see that. Yeah, it was tough. I was trying to find everywhere Grace has mentioned in Romans, but I couldn't find that in the end.

I mean, I found just off the top of my head, you know, obviously 416, when you were talking about Abraham, it said the promise comes by faith so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring. And then where we're at, where I'm going to preach out of, you know, Romans 5, 2, where it says through whom, well, the whole, I feel like I need to read it. Because it says, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace. with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. I mean, just think about, that's a, maybe that's what I should preach on. I mean, that's a, having peace between you and God. I think you should.

Let's take another break, yeah. You don't want him as an enemy. I mean, just think about, if you have peace with the creator and sustainer of the universe, that's a good spot. You should tell that story, because that was so funny we did on the podcast about the inaccessible, that you looked up

the inaccessible places, the island of snakes. Oh, yeah. Well, I couldn't get into that. That'd be a great story. But verse 2 of 5 says, through whom we've gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. I mean, we're standing and given access to grace, which is, you know, if you define it, and even when he started off in Romans 1, I think you mentioned six times the gospel in

the in the first chapter, which means good news. But he says in five of chapter one, through him, and for his name's sake, we received grace. I mean, I'm not sure how you miss grace, but people do. Yeah. And, you know, it was funny, even the context of Paul talking about Abraham, Jason, you'll like this. I want to read you to this exchange that I went back to John 8 because.

you know, I kept thinking, you know, the Jews that Paul's talking to primarily in Romans 1 through 4, they thought that Abraham was exclusive to them. That was their idea. So you remember the conversation, and I just, I boiled it down to just a few statements. Jesus said, you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. So here's these group. Remember, they were Jews that said they believed in Jesus. And so he says, okay, so you'll know the truth, and the truth will set you free. They came back with, we are Abraham's descendants

and have never been slaves of anyone, which, by the way, was a bald-faced lie. They were slaves in Egypt. They were slaves in Babylon. They were enslaved by Syria in their own country. He said, how can you say that we shall be set free? Because they don't know what are you talking about? Jesus said, everyone who sins is a slave to sin,

meaning it's your sin that holds you captive. But look what they go back to. Abraham is our father. And here's a great word. They just keep going back again and again. Here's a great way to look at that. From now on, we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, and he speaks with Colossians 2, and he speaks with Romans 6, the time when you receive the Spirit of God and you died was buried, he's a new creation. The old has gone. The new has come. All this is from God who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. That God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, listen to this, not counting men's sins against them. He said, when you get that position right there, that's when no sins are counted against you.

You're under grace, not works. And man, is it a far difference in a sigh of relief to no. that. Right. But that's... Well, I mean, I didn't... The guy who asked me to be there, he said, I appreciate you not, like, stepping on their toes. I mean, because I love these people.

Yeah. It's like you go... Because I was telling another guy, you know, I was in the airport. I was telling them where I was. Because I was like, this was the strangest event. I've ever... Out of the hundreds of events. I mean, I rode up on a tractor.

There's horse and buggies. They're bringing me all their fresh foods that they did. just made, which by the way, look, was awesome. Some of the first wheels America ever saw, somebody came up with the idea, four, four, four wheels that roll and, you know, got an axle and you get up on top of the thing, and there you go. And whoever the Amish are, what their background was, they're still there, which you have to admire that.

Oh, yeah. Well, they're still with the four wheels and the mules or the horses. This guy in there. airport he said it's going to take you a long time they're like time what you what you're talking about but i was telling the guy you know in the airport what i was doing and i was like you know what's weird is they had fun and and i said when i blew the duck call i mean it was the there were some people clapped and some people laughed and some people like had their mouth open like it was just like joy and a movie over just blowing the duck cause it was a strange thing and of course this guy he said

it was like that movie and now he started talking about a movie i'd never heard of he said uh which was embarrassing because he said you remember that movie where peewee herman i think is the guy's name he said went to an amish community and all because he asked him about fun and some of them didn't couldn't even they wouldn't even answer it was like now they might have edited that or whatever Well, it was embarrassing because when he said, I think the guy's name is Pee Wee Herman, but I said, was he a baseball player? I'd never heard of him. And he's like, no.

He's like a little skinny dude. Yeah, you know what he said. But he said what he did. You were thinking of Pee-Wee-Wee-Ree's that play for the Dodgers. I don't know. I was like, I don't know. Pewee-Herman is. But so he said that in this movie, he got a giant balloon in the Amish community.

I don't even know if he's making fun of them or whatever, because I haven't seen this movie. But he said he basically let the air out of the balloon, and it made this in front of, this was his presentation, because he was trying to show them what fun was. And he said, they laughed because it was making a giant sound, you know.

And so, but he was, he brought that up. He was like, well, these people, there's not a whole lot going on besides their normal day. They're not watching, for the most part, TV or movies. And so he's like, you coming blowing a duck call because they hunt. I mean, I tell you that, they were hunters. Oh, they hunt. But I don't know how much, how many duck calls you use.

So I was more, you know, I think it's okay to, like, give people a permission. It's okay to have a good time. You know, in the name of Jesus. I mean, there's joy means something. Yeah. Plus, people... Hang on down, let's take our last break. My parting comment would be,

and I mentioned this to somebody the other day, and when they were talking about, you know, the great minds in our universities and all that, and I said, well, there was that a little blur of I did the other morning out here. I just made the comment, Jase, that some people have a skill set. and the skill set is they know what birds

sound like so they make devices that sounds like various birds the difference between a gadwall and the sound he makes and a teal in the sound he makes

and a wood duck a sound he makes and some people have it in their mind that sound they build devices that mimics that I said you can make a great living doing that

you can become known worldwide if you can just sound like birds. You may not have the brains of a college professor, but you have a skill set that you actually can market it. Yeah, but pretty much like... It's that simple.

Yeah. But there's probably one in a billion people who have that skill set. That was kind of my point. I was just telling your... Most people don't wake up in the morning and are worried about and thinking about what birds sound like.

In our case, you had a family structure built around hunters, and they ascertain what birds sound like, made devices, Jace, you were one of the pioneers you were there and said, hey, what about this? And I said, good night, Jase. You got that gadwall. Well, it's a duck. It makes a certain sound.

Jace figured it out with blowing two duck calls at one time, one whistle and one quack. Because a gadwall has a... whistly quack. Whistly quack. Which is strange. And then we built the call that sounded like it. Well, it went ballistic because nobody had ever done that.

Right. So even just small thing. Ballistic, but a few people bought it. Well, ballistic for us. Yeah. On redneck's wages, it was ballistic. The scale of ballistic is, you know, varies. You're driving that fine pickup truck you pull up in here, you know, you're known because,

Jace, let's face it. You can sound like birds, son. That's how you got it. I think I'm driving that fine. pickup truck is because we convince people who don't duck hunt to buy duck calls. That's right. And watch a show about a family that makes a dog. I think, and so I got to give credit to God on that, because how could you have come up with that?

So do you know what you're, you said you're going to be in Indiana? This is released in a way to do. But do you know where the event is or anything about it? Al, I don't. We should probably have some place where we know that information. Just for people to know. I figured you got the point that when I look up and I'm like, what are these horse and buggies are doing here? I had no idea where I was going or I have one speech.

I wish I'd have been in your shoes. I'd love to make that little journey, you know. I'm glad you didn't because I don't think you'd have come back. You might not. You may have settled there. You didn't Kay, I could see y'all in one of these little white houses. Oh, yeah. But the problem is all your family's pretty much grown because I noticed these kids there, they work.

I mean, I saw kids doing some manual labor at every turn. Well, the one thing... Which is a good thing. Yeah, the one thing we've noticed about the dad and I have been in a couple of Amish communities before, and everybody works hard. And what they produce is outstanding, where there's furniture, food, butter, cheese. Food, they're top of the... I eat this fried pie, which, look, this woman, can't she had a basket?

Because everybody, look, people were bringing gifts. And I thought, I mean nice gifts. This was a funny thing. This guy comes up. Now, he didn't look like an Amish, but what was he doing here? So I don't know. But he pulled a coin out of his pocket. And I'm like, you know, it's kind of awkward.

I'm like, do I stick my hand out? He's like, I want to give you this. Because I heard you're into the same thing I am. And so I couldn't really see it, but I was like, these people seem nice. So I didn't know if it was going to shock my hand. And I was like, figure not because that would take some kind of electrical current that we're not really down about. I like that you're leery of the Amos having some way of doing a trick on your. Every time like Willie for, you know, 15 years would say, hey, you know, stick your finger out or something bad. It was always something bad.

So I'm kind of leery of that kind of stuff. So I stopped my hand out. And he put an 1854 half dime in my hand. Wow. And so I was like, I don't, you, you keep, because this is awesome. He said, I know you're a metal detector. And I was like, well, is it that a machine? That's kind of the way I said it. And he did a little wink. That's just between us.

That was, that's just between us, God of says. And so then when he pulled out his phone to show me some pictures, I said, you may be with a little more liberal group here, you know. Well, and he's, he had to know about metal detective from the podcast. But you know what's funny is... The rules and all, you gotta love them. But Phil, you know why I love these people is that... Because there were some of the more conservative ones standing around.

There was 1,500 people here, you know. But they would kind of laugh. It wasn't... I never felt somebody was angry or, you know, about... Because look, I just came out and said, I mean, you know, that's... The grace of God teaches us to say, no. I did quote that somewhere in my...

my speech. I just couldn't help it. But I did love them. I had a good time. And look, you got to go by your own message. We're not policemen. I mean, you can't police other police. Then we're all police.

That's right. And so, I mean, some of our listeners, we know we have some policemen. And we love you because you send these emails that I hear about. They're like, you know, we even like, we said that about the chosen. And they're like, they don't have the. Their show is not biblically accurate. They're like, the first thing comes up and says, this is not the Bible.

Yeah. If you want to know more about the Bible, go get one and read it. Read the Bible. But this is about people. There's dramatizations of the people who followed, and they delve through imagination and creativity into their personalities. Let me put it this way. If everyone rules or no rules, if everyone operated. like the Amish do, we would be better off.

Oh, no doubt. Well, you think about verses like be aliens and strangers in your culture. I mean, there's a lot of verses that talk a lot about what. But you're still going to have, look, that's the whole reason this ministry was formed, and it was called 612. You got to remember, no matter what situation you put yourself in, because you have Amish tendencies, those struggles between good and evil, they're not going away.

No. in which I think their groups need to learn that. You can literally put your family in a prison. Guess what? They're going to still struggle. The grace of God, you have to have an encounter because of God's grace, which is what Romans 5 says. Through Jesus, that message pricks your heart.

And if your heart is pricked and you believe God is real and you love Jesus for the blood he shed. and you love that he conquered the grave. When you're in temptation, you know, verses like that, God is faithful, he won't let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. He always provides a way out. Well, that first phrase there that God is faithful, he proved that by executing the plan of Jesus.

Right. I mean, he was faithful to us throughout the whole process. He didn't cut and run and say, because he could have. He could have. And they said, I'll never leave you and I will not forsake you. Well, when you believe that's real, ultimately, that's going to be the greatest motivation to keep yourself pure.

And guess what? Even though you may have that in your heart, we're still flawed. I mean, the bottom line is it's hard to wrap your head around grace and it's hard to wrap your head around that we just can't get this right. We just screw up. You know, righteousness is from God and the gospel. and the righteous will live by faith. Two things I want to remind our listeners as we close.

Lisa and I are going to be doing a marriage event this weekend in Oklahoma City. Well, say the dates because who knows when this will be released. This is going to release Wednesday this week, so I know it will be this weekend. And so it's at the branches church. So I don't know a lot of details, but if you're in that area and you want to come see us, I'm going to preach that Sunday as well just to let you know. And then also a reminder about the daily field. which is exclusive to Walmart.

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