Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 292 | Miss Kay Doesn’t Want Phil to Remarry and Why Hitchhikers Are Scared of Jase

Episode Date: June 11, 2021

Phil and Jase discuss their wives' wishes for if they die. Jase tells another story from the road about a girl named "Pumpkin" and his two greatest fears in life. Phil remembers Miss Kay bringing his family bottled Cokes and how much better they taste. The guys discuss why hitchhiking is much different today than it was in the past. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? When you travel, I've had some weird things happen, I guess. But it's like the commercial airline industry. You know, the first thing, I went into a plane. I was somebody sitting in my seat. So I was like, I look at my ticket. I was like, I think this is my seat.

And this woman, she just said, she looked at me. like, and she just like started grabbing her stuff, just yanking, you know, and walk back. She's not happy. No, wasn't happy. And I thought, well, that was awkward. So then I get on another plane and- So she never said anything? Not a word, but look, I did notice later because my assistant was with me.

So look, the same woman sat in somebody else to say, we look back and she's doing it back, she got moved again. And I thought, what is going on there? Did she just not want to look at her ticket and do the one that was... But it's so weird to know the protocol on this, you know? So the next thing, I get on the next plane, and a woman, a very large woman, sat next to me. And I was like, well, this is going to be rough. Because, I mean, she was basically taking up my seat. Yeah.

I've had that. And so she said, what seat are you in? And I thought that was a weird question. because I'm in the one beside you, which is what I said. And I was, she was like, what's the number? And so I was like, well, I can't remember. So I found my ticket, you know, which was on my phone.

I was looking for an actual ticket. It was on my phone. So when I read it, she said, I'm in the wrong seat. I said, okay. So she got a move, which is hard to know. You're like, what is, what's, what's wrong with these people? So I put, I was like, I'm putting my earphones on, listen to the spiritual music. So we're about halfway in the flight.

I'm listening, I think I was actually listening to that song, Rattle. And I'm kind of singing, not out loud, but just humming. And so I feel a tap on my head. I turn around. Are you in the air? Oh, we're flying. We're halfway under the flight. Okay.

And so this African-American girl, I thought she said, it's pumpkin. Because I have my earphones off. And the only thing I could think is I thought Kay had a friend named pumpkin. And so I said, yeah, I thought you looked familiar at which, because I didn't know what to say because we've already. Hey, pumpkin. she said excuse me and so the girl

next to her which they didn't know each other was she standing up or sitting down she's sitting now okay so she's behind you yeah she's behind okay she said

she said it's bumpy and I said it's bumpy and did you then did you think mom had a friend named bumpy no I got off the

she knows miss Kay I just thought I said said, why is she telling me? And the girl said, I have no idea on that. And the girl said, it's my second time to fly. And it is scary. And she started, and she started saying, help me Jesus, help me Jesus. And I was looking around. I'm like, this is not bumpy. Maybe she thought you were Jesus. Because she got the beard in the hair. Well, I don't know. That's why I'm asking you

about this. I have no idea. And I was like, look, I've actually come in. You want to talk about Bumpy? I said, we were fixing the land. Oh, no. Are you telling her? Did you start telling her the horror stories? I shouldn't have done that. And I said, we went upside down before we aborted the landing. Oh, happy she? She said, how long were you upside down? I said, probably 10 seconds. She went, Oh, Lord, help me. She got her phone out. And I said, well, you've got to have your phone because I thought she's a second time on an airplane. She said, I've got to call my mom.

And I was like, they're not going to let you do that. And you're probably not going to have a reception. So, Jay, so what do you think it is when strange people keep coming your way? She tapped me on the head. That's what I'm saying. And so, you know, it hit me in that moment. This is why I'm telling you this story. I thought, why would she tap me on the head to tell me it's bumpy?

Why would she do that? I thought, must be a God thing. And I said, look, here's the deal. I said, my second fear in life is flying. I said, but I fly all the time. I said, my first fear is public speaking. And she said, well, why do you fly? I said, because I public speak.

I publicly talk. Now, that was a good answer. And she was looking bewildered. And I said, but I heard, you know, I heard you reference Jesus. I said, but I believe like you that Jesus is real. And so I believe God takes our weaknesses and he turns them in to your strings. I said, because trust me, I don't want to fly and I don't want to speak ever. I just soon keep my mouth shut in a public gathering.

I said, but since I believe God is real, I believe that if I die in a plane crash, he just decided it was time because I am doing this 100% for him. I said, so I'm over that. I said, I have had, Nick, she said, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. I was like, but I'm just telling you, this is a nice flight. You may think this is bumpy, but this is nice. I've seen the, don't tell me, don't tell me. I was like, okay.

Okay. So. I liked that you first were calming our fears by telling her the worst possible scenario. Well, I did, and I kept trying to get back into it. She kept interrupting me, you know. And so when she landed, I heard her back there muttering when we landed. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you.

I said, hey, all right, you're getting there. Only a few more. And she's like, nope, this is it. So the last one I had coming in, BK was with me. And because Lisa and I had split, she and Carly went one way, and BK. And I went the other. So we fly into, we're on our last. coming into monroe from

Atlanta and jays you and i have been on that flight a million times a little small plane only holds about 49 people and so as i'm getting on the flight so bcana and i are sitting together you know she's 13 you know my granddaughter and so so we we did our thing where they gave me an upgrade ticket to the first row and so at this point i learned something i didn't know which is amazing as much as i travel so but i was like well i'm not moving up the front row of bca is going to be in the back bar

herself. So I just went back and got in the seat next to her. That was my seat on my ticket. Well, what I didn't know is when they bumped me up to the front of the plane, that somebody else got my seat. You know, they gave my seat away. So this woman comes back and she's like, I think you have my seat. And I was like, no, and I held up my ticket. And she looks, she holds up her ticket and we got the same seat. But then I realize, I'm supposed to go to sit in the front of the plane. So I was like, well, just, you know, can you just sit over here? You know, she's, I don't sit over here. Okay, perfect. So she sits here. Well, then the next person comes up and they say, you're in my seat. Oh, here we, so it's just a revolving door. So we find, and so she moves over,

that person sits there. Well, then here comes the last person. Well, you're in my seat. And I'm just like, it's musical. Finally, I guess I'm like to get up and and go to the front of the plane, Lee BK back here. But this woman says, oh, are you, this is the difference in the one, your woman and mine. And she says, oh, are you, do you want to stay? back and sit next to her. And I said, well, I'd like to. I said, but apparently I didn't realize when you got upgraded, you have to go up to the sea. I don't want to go up to the city. She said, oh, I'll go. It's okay. And I was like, thank you. We need to come up. I mean, that was so nice of her. We have, on a shame nation, we need to come up with a protocol of proper airplane etiquette.

That's right. Or when you get in these situations. Because I don't know what to do. And you don't have a person the person in charge is up there and there's all these people in between you and them so you can't eat like we got to work it out amongst ourselves but if you get somebody are really in charge not really but i tell you what they think they are we were on one recently and so the flight attendant it was like we had been delayed we're in the plane for hours and the flight attendant was you could tell it's been a long day and i get it i mean you're dealing with people everybody's wearing a mask you got to enforce it and he was an an older man which you don't see a lot of flight attendants older men. So we finally get in the air. Everybody's ready to get where you're going. It's late

at night now. And so he asks us what we want to drink because they're finally serving stuff again. And I said, well, I want to Coke Zero. And Lisa first said, do you have Coke Zero? And he said, that's what I'll have. Was this recently? Yeah. Well, this plane I was on. You get a bottle of water or a cup of coffee. Oh, yeah. You're still, you were still on the United. Delta is serving food and drink again. Yeah, which is good. But anyway, so the guy says, so he goes, and I say I'll have a Coke Zero as well. So he goes up, he comes back, he's got a Coke Zero and a Diet Coke. So it hands me the Coke Zero. He hands Lisa the Diet Coke. And let me tell you, Lisa hates Diet Coke. She could be in the Sahara Desert dying of thirst, and she would not drink a Diet Coke. That's how much she hates Diet Coke.

So he says, and she said, oh, I ordered a Coke Zero, and she's kind of handed it. back to him. He said, no, you didn't. You said Coke Zero. Well, I mean, he said it, like, forcefully. And so she didn't say anything for a beat. And he takes it, he says, but I've got Coke Zero. And then he starts walking away, and he says, but you said that Coke. I mean, he said it twice. No. I looked over at Lisa. And even with the mask on, the look in her eye, I've seen it, like,

directed at me before. Oh, it is not good. And I thought Fire starts shooting from the eyes. Because he called her a liar twice. Smoke from the ear. And I thought when he comes back, I mean, I'm looking at her and I said, did he just call you a liar? And she didn't even speak. And I thought she is fixing to light this guy up when he comes back. So he comes back.

He hands her the Coke Zero. And she didn't say a word. He walks away. I was like, I looked over and I said, well, that's awesome. I said, do you didn't say anything? She said, well, one, I don't trust him. myself to say anything. And number two is, I don't want to get kicked off this flight the way they are there. Because now there's so much stuff going on, they'll just kick you all. They'll turn this

plane around. And they'll tell you, don't make me turn this plane around. I mean, that's... She actually did the mature thing. She did. You never want to wind up in court one day and say, did you order the Diet Coke? I wouldn't have said anything. No, I wouldn't have it. She didn't. And, you know, and the guy was friendly to us later. I thought, well, he said, and then finally she said, I'm sure he's had a bad night. You know what she was doing now? Because of We're in Roman 7 and God himself through the Holy Spirit, Paul's writing, gave an illustration from marriage. Yep. She was trying to teach you that all these times when you say what she said that she didn't say, it's best that you just keep your mouth shut.

That's exactly right. I was so proud of it. I was like, babe, you have grown so much because I knew from the look, you know, what was brewing in the brain, you know, and her mom who's passed away. we always say, you know, Lisa's tapping into her inner Marty, which is her mom, because it's not pretty when she, you know, in the old days, but she's gotten so much. I would have never made an issue over a soft drink. That's it. And she didn't.

Bottom line is the customer should always look at. Well, right. He should have never said that. It should always be right. He should have just said, okay. And while, and not added in the, especially the second. Even if they're not right, we're giving you our money. Right.

We're flying. We have a, we're talking about diet Coke here. Yeah, versus code zero. Which, by the way, Code Zero is far as superior to that Coke, just if you wanted to know that. But, yeah, and you're right. I haven't had a carbonated drink in years. When's the last time you had a carbonated drink? Yeah.

I did drink like a little small Coca-Cola. Yeah, like the old with the little bottles. I've drank about two of them in the last three or four years. You were saying last three or four days. You're like me. Do you remember you tell the story about when mom, Her family had a grocery store. And so she would bring a case of those little small Coca-Cola's to the Robertson family,

a whole case of Coke. And what happened when she did that when she got there? People just came out of the house, drank them all. Went on their way? They drank the whole thing. They drink them until they were gone. And then thanks for the coach. We figured out the mystery a while in a Coca-Cola old bottle, it would taste better than when they put it in a camp.

I don't, well, bottle stuff is better. You know, cans tend to, do you agree? You get to, if I see, if I saw one in an old bottle, I would. We were living in a time frame of worn out house, caving in here and there. And if you see a little young woman drive up with a case of Coke, I brought you all these. Well, you know, that was like when she pulled in, people started coming out of the house. And you had a thought, I'm going to marry that. She'd bring me...

That's very immaterial. She'd bring me like a T-Bone steak. Really? Oh, yeah. When your mother pulled up, her rig we didn't, and I didn't have a rig. I was either hitchhack to her place, or she drove down about 30 miles. And people would pick you up. That's scary.

Hitchhiking. Oh, yeah, I'd hitchhack back and forth many a time. It was just a different era. Let's take a break. It was a different era, though, right, Dad? I mean, like, people didn't think anything about it. Because it, I don't, was it just less dangerous to think about picking somebody up and driving? Less dangerous.

Okay. Because no fear of being, being knocked in the head. No. Or people fearful of you knocking them in the head. No, no problem. Because today we would be like, used to an hitchhacking. Hitchhiking was a standard form of transportation. Right.

Walk out on the road, the busier the road, the better the shot. I mean, I picked up a couple, but I made them ride in the back. And I showed them that I had a gun. Yeah. I don't know if that was. I said, look, I'm armed. Back in those days, that never entered your mind. I said, you can ride in the back of the truck.

By the way, there were a lot of people hitchhacking, too, a lot of people. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was just more of a standard way of getting around. I want to get right here and go 30 miles up this way, get out there and stick your thumb out. They pull over. Where are you headed? You tell them that's okay. You know, where are you from?

Right over at a little town, Dixie. Well, I quit doing that because the last couple, when I said I'm armed, they took off running. So, but I thought, well, I wasn't trying to scare him. I was just saying, I'll give you a ride. Jay, as you fit into the rare category of the hitchhiker was afraid of you doing something to them before they ever got into the ride. Yeah.

Well, he came up there, you know, and I was like, do you need a ride? And he was like, yeah. And he started to get out. I said, wop, up, pop, up. I said, I'm armed and dangerous. And he's gone. That ended the, when I said, I'm armed. He took off.

Yeah. So I thought, well, maybe he had mischief in mind. Yeah. Or it just might have scared him. You know what's interesting is, so when I go to the last couple of times I've been to Liberia, so the gas station, now when you're in the Monrovia, the capital, you'll have like a normal looking gas station. But as you get out and about, the filling station, the gas station that we, the little

convenience store, there's a little lean to, and there's three or four guys, Africans out there. And set up on a table are jars. with gas in it. There's about six or eight, like, quart-sized jars with petroleum. And so people will pull in there. But everybody rides these little, like, motor scooters, you know, it's just like Dominican or Nicaragua play.

And then they stack on there four deep. And what they do is, so it's just constant hitchhaging. So I see them, they stop. Somebody gets on. They'll hand the drivers a little something. I found it as about the equivalent of a dime in our money. because he's got to buy gas for his motorbike and then they get on there and then he stops at the next one the third gets on there the fourth now this is built for one but we got four

Africans riding on here and then he's driving out you see him go and then he's and you see they're paying him for the they're paying him and then he goes by but look so that thing will pull up they'll just pour enough in there whatever he's going to pay for but it's real expensive that's basically he's got a taxi service going that's what it is but but it's every because everybody else is on foot. Of course, we come riding up, you know, Americans, you know, we're in a car, you know, with air conditioning. They're looking at us drive by and they're like, who is this person?

And we start going out to places where they never even seen a white person before. And they'll start pointing at me. And then these kids come over and they'll start, they'll rub my arm. I mean, they've never seen, you know, non-black flesh. And they're just, they're amazed. They're like, you know. What's wrong with you, buddy? This poor guy.

Of course, I was telling you, they really thought there was something wrong with you. They probably shouldn't be rubbing on me, you know, my arms. But it's kind of a, it's a weird feeling to be in a place like that. But it makes me appreciate, you know, what we have here for sure. But their whole system is built on it, which is kind of a sad thing, but also good. So we're in Roman 7 is where we're going to get to today. And it's kind of, you know, back when we were talking about Roman 6, the idea was we were talking about how this idea about you're either, it's one of the other.

You're either committed to sin and death or you're committed to grace and spirit. You know, the life that comes out of the two. Basically, Paul said there's no one and the other. You're either this or you're that. And he used the word being enslaved. That opening line is a weird one. Do you not know, brothers, for I'm speaking to men who know the law.

Check this out. here's a statement that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives. That's right. I mean, it's kind of like saying the rest of your life without Jesus, without grace, you're going to be under a code that's going to be with you until the day you die. Right. I mean, but the way it's put, you know, it's only, it's only has authority over a man only as long as he lives. you're like, well, that'd be...

When you can take that a lot of different ways. One is, in a practical sense, you're only have to obey laws as long as you're alive to obey laws. When you die, it has no more hold over you, even physical death. Well, that was kind of his point. He said, for example,

which is a... It's just a strange illustration in the middle of this. He says, for example, by law, so under the Torah, I guess, a marriage... This is a... This is Jewish marital law just so you don't get confused with the law.

A married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. That's not much wiggle room or ways to divorce your wife. That's for sure. But also, I mean, it's a law that we've kind of adopted because if your husband's dead, well, you can. You're like, well, can I get married again? Well, that guy's dead. Yeah.

So, we'll say. Yeah. The answer is yes. We'll say. You were here at sad. It was said at Bella's wedding last weekend, till death do us part. Well, right. So the idea is, I'm going to marry you till death.

God's not kidding there. But here's the illustration. That's not really the point. The point is, so then if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulterress. And that still happens today. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.

I've told my wife that, I was like, look, if I die, you know, go knock yourself out. Go for it. Take over. I don't care. I'm dead. Usually with your mother,

it's on the opposite side. She said, now, remember, if I die before you do, it's not going to bother me if you, you get a woman. I said, Ms. Kay, here's a newsflash. You're the only one I'm going to be with. I'm not going down this road anymore.

Right. You're not. So you're done. So you're done. I'm done. I'm not going to make a premeditated decision. The finest thing on planet Earth can walk in front of me and say, what about this? I would say, honey, I've been done.

To me, there's a lot more important things at this point in my life than sex. Hit the road. So you can't see yourself being on a dating site or website trying to find, make an online connection. More than sex. I don't know. Try to think of something. Companionship. how you would replace your mother.

You both of y'all... I agree with that. I mean, how would you go replace your mother? Think about it. She's the best of us. So his point was verse four. It says, so my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ that you might belong to another to him who was raised from the dead in order that we might bear fruit to

God. The greatest two texts in the Bible that you'll ever read. So I think you immediately. have to go back and read Roman 6, 2 that says, we died to sin, and then he gives the illustration of what happened at baptism. We died. We were buried with Jesus. Then we're raised. Then verse 6 says, we know that our old self was crucified with him. So when you reenact Jesus' death, baring, resurrection, because Jesus died and nailed the law to the cross, We actually, according to Romans 6, 4, we also died to the law through the body of Christ,

which is awesome. It is awesome. But he also says in verse 8 of chapter 6 that if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. I'm just making the point. Verse 11, in the same way, count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ. Jesus. I mean, he's saying it over and over and over and over and over again. And then he's giving you an illustration that when you died with Christ, you're no longer bound to that relationship with the law, which is one infraction deserves death, punishment, separation. So let's take

another break. It's called grace. So I want to make a more subtle point here, too, that Because a lot of people want to, even in our culture today, still want to hold on to some of the law. They'll say, well, you know, this idea, y'all are just too far because there's some things I want to keep. But remember, in this context and situation, because you say, why does he only mention the woman? Well, the men under this underlaw had a much better situation because they could put away their wives in divorce. But the wife had no option, which is why he uses her. So my point is, who wants to go under that system again? Well, that doesn't seem fair to women.

It's not. And that's why he said in Galatians, now there are no male, no female. He goes through the whole list. The idea is that God brought us all out from under the trappings of law, which we find out of sin and death. And that makes it better for everybody. I mean, for men, for women, for groups, for nations. And for our policemen that we love, and I don't mean policemen, we love our, you know, police. I mean the Bible police.

Bible police. You read Roman 614 where it says, for sin, should not be your master because you're not under law, but under grace. So my point is after reading 7-4 and now 614, if you're trying to argue over these situations on matters of law, we are not under the law.

So if you want to challenge somebody, make sure as grace motivated is what I'm saying. So a lot of people haven't heard what you just said, which is true, they have, they say, but I'm going to be in a trap. What's going to motivate me to do what's right to get up? So if you read that Galatians 522, the fruit of the spirit that you receive when you die to the law. Correct.

And are buried the old you and the new you comes forth. The spirit is given to you. So when you get to, you say, well, if I'm not going to follow the rules, and if I'm not on the law, what kind of person am I going to be? What do I do? So the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, all these qualities. It makes an interesting little point. against these things, there is no law. That's right.

So you say, well, what zone am I in? Just read Galaisons 522 on things that are outside the law. These are qualities that should be more and more in your life. As each day passes, you begin to hone it down instead of, you used to be a hater, hate each other and a, but now you see love. You used to be down in the dumps. Don't know what you're going to do. Yeah, that's the opposite of.

joy and instead of peace well how much war has been going on in your household with your neighbor with your family so you just replace all those qualities and against these qualities you don't break any laws love joy peace patience kind is good no no law breaking there so it's a pattern of thinking on how you need to be transformed by the renewing of your mind since you're not under law But even when you do, you know, because we do sin after we're in Jesus. Probably the mediating work of Jesus. Yeah. Then it goes, this grace is continual.

It's not like you're in and out. You don't have to be, you know, rebaptized. And I made a mistake. I'm done. I'm history. Let's go again. Here we go. Yeah.

So, you know, but I do think I need to read the last two verses of that section because it says for when we were, this is seven, five. When we were controlled by the sinful nature, no, when we were controlled, yeah, by the sinful nature or the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law, which we've already established, the law is not bad in and of itself. But it arouses sinful passions. Yeah, it arouses our decisions and passions. So it arouses the sinful passions.

I know I shouldn't do it. I know I shouldn't do it. But I do. But I do. Yeah. We're at work in our bodies so that we bore fruit for death, which is a strange way to look at it, but in a frightening way. But when you think about the sins we commit, it is a sinful behavior is destructive. Yep.

And it leads to death, either spiritual or physical in some capacity. America is still. England was yes. Yeah. Well, and I want to, let me read the last verse and we talk. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law. We have been released from the law. People have trouble with this.

Say that 10 times. We have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit. Yeah, new way of the spirit. The new way of the spirit, which is a gross, I mean, a. a grace-motivated, spirit-led way of decision-making. Now, from the time... That's dependent on God and not us. Exactly.

From the time, you just said that, within hours, there will be information coming our way, and all of them will be saying the same thing. We're still under law. You can't write the law. They write letters all the time. I see them. I agree.

I just drop them over in the trash because of what you just read. So if you ride me, said, oh, we're under the law. I said, no, you better not be under the law. Which, by the way, this is why we answered this on the podcast. Well, I want to mention something that I mentioned in my sermon on Sunday. I was talking about my last point was that, you know, against all hope, in hope, Abraham believed. Remember that we talked about from Romans 4.

And so I went back to Genesis 22. But I want to highlight something with said, because I had a conversation after my sermon, which really goes in line with what we're talking about. in verse 12 after the angel of the Lord, he said, don't kill him. And I can't tell the whole story. But he says, do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God because you have not withheld from me your son,

your only son. And so I made the point that God wants us in that moment where we surrender to him, which we're talking about from Roman 6, everything. In that, you give him everything. That means you can't hold on to someone. little piece, you know, that I'm going to do this. I have to submit. So after my sermon, a woman came up that they were visiting from out of town. We had a nice conversation. She listens to the podcast. And so she asked me a question and I wanted to address it today because

it's just in line with what we're talking about. Because she said, you said one time on the podcast there's a difference between happiness and joy. She said, but I'm just, I'm struggling. I'm not happy about some things. I'm struggling with trying to figure that out. So it was just what I was talking about on the sermon today. Happiness depends on your circumstance. I'm going to decide whether I'm happy because here's what's going on in my life. That's going to determine my internal joy whether I'm happy or not. But the Bible never says that, ever. Well, I would say that happiness is more dependent on you, which is the point about the law.

And joy is more dependent on God. It's like if you said, we were talking about the difference in hope, in the worldly hope, or even in our lives when we say, I hope I went, you know, buy 20 lottery tickets, I hope I went. The difference is once you have God's spirit and you say, I hope God wins, well, God's going to win. Right. So that's the difference from security to salvation to why you're saved. Right. Because he proved his faithfulness when he sent Jesus.

Right. And worked out in history for him to be here. Jesus made all the right decisions, ever sin, and then was given on a cross and then was right. Well, he did it. Right. That's why it says, you know, in Romans 1, that we're not ashamed of the gospel, which is good news because it is the power of God for the salvation for everyone who believes. I mean, this is what our show is named after.

Then verse 17 says, for in the gospel, a righteousness from God is revealed. He's the one supplying the power, the plan. and the way to get you forgiven. Right. So that's why it's so confusing when you get to Romans 118 and go through there where it says, well, God gave them over to do what shouldn't be done. And people use that argument. They say, well, why do bad things happen to God?

Why doesn't God stop me from doing that? Why don't he just do what he did to Paul? Because once you're under the law and you go down that. road. The further you go down, you realize that I can't do this. Right. Byracon.com slash unashamed. Let's take a break. Therefore, whoever keeps the whole law.

Yeah, James 210. And yet stumbles at just one point. It's guilty of breaking all of it. That's a tough way to roll if you're going to try that, that. Yeah, you can't do it. Which is the few, your point, Phil, the few letters I've gotten about, people didn't like that I said baptism is a surrender. Some people out there, they don't like that. And I'm like, but this whole point of Romans is that we're under law and we can't do this.

And so when you hear what saves you and who, Jesus, is death, barrel, resurrection, at that point, there's a couple of things that happened. you realize I can't do this. So what do you do? You surrender to the one who can and did and die. Seems simple enough for me. So this woman that I'm speaking of, so then she said back to me, and she gave me an illustration from her family's life

of one of her children that's in a bad place. And it was bad. And she said, you know, how can I, you're telling me, how can I be joyful about that? I said, oh, you would never be joyful about that or happy about it if you were just going to live by happiness. And so she looks at me, she kind of turns her head, you know, how do I live? I said, but every time you think about that situation, it sounds like you think about it a lot.

She said, I do. I mean, it just, it really hurts my heart. Now, all of us do. We have children that go off. I said, every time you do, you have to appeal to your father in heaven who brings joy and peace and all the things to the Holy Spirit. and you pray in that moment that God will help get through to your child when the time is right, that they'll be miserable, they'll find no joy in peace and the lifestyle they're in. And then you can be joyful knowing that God gives you the strength that no matter what happens,

whether your kids go off the rails or anything else, you can still experience a righteous life without being plagued by. I said, but I just made the point, don't hold anything back. I said, sister, you need to give this to God. you're holding it and therefore you're unhappy. I said, but if you give it to him and say, look, I'm putting this in your hands, father. She's trying to make the changes in her.

Exactly. And it helped her. It helped her because she said, you know, I never thought about it like that. Well, that's what this is, that's what I was talking about. You know, that's why I want to bring it up on the pocket. Well, you start bringing up kids.

I mean, anybody's had teenagers knows this, this gets personal. But look, I've prayed before, which is, I mean, it's kind of a drastic prayer, but I've said prayers where like, because I'm so frustrated in the moment that I thought, if it takes me dying, if God, if you, if this is the only way this kid is going to have an awakening, so be it. I mean, it's a hard prayer to pray, but you get so frustrated because you love your kids and you're, but you realize everybody's got to, you know, come to Jesus on their own.

But that leads me into what I was, because I'm, you know, I'm not the brightest bulb of, of, you know, our family or just as a human. And so I read the book of Romans, and it seems kind of a complex way in some ways to explain this, because you got all this, the law and even this illustration and people like, so some people wouldn't worthy of a, and note of what you just said, how they would then do this. What shall we say then? after he just said,

we have been... Say where you are. I'm in Romans 7. Seven. So by dying to what's bound us, we've been released from the law, so we serve in the new way of the spirit and not in the old way.

So somebody comes along and says, well, what shall we say? Is the law saying, well, maybe the problem is not me? Maybe it's a blooming law that you got me under. Because I wouldn't be like this, God, unless you...

It's your fault. had wrote down this code that I had to keep, and I didn't keep it, and I'm frustrated, and you're the problem instead of me. And people do that. Yeah. He said, indeed, I would not have known what sin was except through the law. I would not have known what it was to covet if the law had not said, don't covet. But here we go.

But sin seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, nothing wrong with the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous. desire. For apart from law, if it weren't there, sin is dead. Unfortunately, the law is always there and it's not going to change. Which goes back to Romans 1, though. It motivates me to say, thank you God for getting me out of under or code. I never became close to keeping. The first step that happens way before all these sins is that you alienate yourself from God. That's where it starts. When Romans 1, everybody goes to the list of sin. But the first parts of it were they neither glorified God as God nor gave thanks to him.

Their hearts were darkened. Their minds became futile, although they claimed to be wise. They became fools. The philosophy is what leads to the behavior. So you alienate yourself from God, which the illustration I was going to bring up. A more simplistic view of this, I think, came from Jesus in Luke 15 on the prodigal son. because you were talking about your kids. Right.

You know, that's when it gets personal because we all know what that mean. I mean, you don't want your, you want your kid to make it. And it's a tough time. So Jesus comes up with this situation on why he's hanging out with poor humans. Right. People there in trouble, hang on to it. Let's take our last break. And it's like even there, it's like the three stories I heard somebody say one time,

you know, the first illustration of the sheep going straight was one, it was 1%. Then the woman with the coins, it was 10%. Yeah, it was 10%. And then when it got to the two sons, it was 50%, which I was like, or maybe 100 on the. Yeah, because it was really both of them. Because the other brother had some struggles too. I mean, nice illustration. You know, I've never thought of that before.

That's pretty creative. We ever came out with that. I don't know. I heard that somewhere popped into my brain, but I don't want to take credit for it. But I thought it was an interesting way. Interesting take. Way to look at it. But here's my point.

Going back to Romans 1, and God seemingly contributing to this. Because I got some letter saying that they're like, well, how come you're saying God's contributing to the person falling further? And I mean, I didn't respond, but I was like, I didn't think of that. I read it. You know, you worked that out with Romans 1. And furthermore, he gave them over to do what not ought to be. I was like, we just read the scripture.

I had no interpretation whatsoever. I think I had no comment on it. But look, all God has to do is not do anything for you to go into that mode, which is this point. My point is you see where I'm going in Luke 15. When the son came to his father and said, hey, give me my share. Give me a gift. What you think about what's God's grace is the gospel? Is that not a gift?

Well, this son in Luke 15 said, I want my stuff, which is a bad business plan. When your plan is to just give me what, that's your plan. Well, what did the father do in that moment? He let him go. And I think it relates to Romans 1. Because at that point, are you going to convince him? We've all had our moments with rebellious teenage.

And then you can do. I mean, you've got to. Until they figure it out. And which is the purpose when we're getting into why the law, is here and why God allows this for us to go down that. Well, what do you, what did the son, what did he arrive at? He goes out, now, it was fun for a while. And all of a sudden, he winds up in a pig pan. And you would think at that point, he'd say, you know, that, nope, he stays in the pig pen long enough to where what the pigs are eating, even though they

were probably maggot infested. He is now gotten paid. the smell, gotten past the status, lost everything he had, and it's now literally living like a pig. And it started with the old Joseph Allen. I mean, first the money ran out, then the booze ran out, then the friends ran out, then the food ran out. So what's happening? The father let him go so he would, and then there's a phrase in there. Because, I mean, it's really about how God's grace the father was waiting on him. But there's one phrase, which is used exactly in Roman.

Romans 1. It goes through all those lists of sins, and then it has four attitude qualities. It says, one of them is senseless. They are senseless. You remember heartless, ruthless, well, here's this son in the pig pen, and you remember the phrase that says, When he came to his senses. And then he starts talking about, I'm not even, he showed humility, because he's like, I'm no longer worthy to be called a son. Well, God's wrath, his father's wrath, which was not a wrath that wasn't based on love. He just let him go because he knew the only way he's going to figure this out is to realize is that sand is going to put you in a pig pan.

It's going to put you in my story. Yeah. And so he now trying to get people to have that come to senses moment, sometimes you just have to allow painfully for it to, you just hope they don't die in the process. Pray for that. So I told her, I said, pray for his safety,

but at the same time, pray that he finds no peace and joy in this life. But just like Romans, I think this is what I'm on preach. Uh-oh. I've been in, you know, well, it just hit me about this league 15 when you said that in the sermon.

Well, because Romans for me says the same thing, but it's more confusing. I have to read it over and over and over and over again. But I read Luke 15, and I'm like, okay, let the kid leave. He was, oh, good time. Party.

See, I was right. Spending money. I got lots of friends. And then, bomp, famine breaks out, a man of pig pen. I mean, this is like, this sums up pretty much half of country music singers and the movies about them. It always is the rise to the top. Yeah. And then the fall.

And then the second half of that story, and actually the parable is really aimed at the older brother in the story. Because when the young brother. And he got a little huffy about that. But when the young brother comes to his instance, it comes home and the father accepts him, then he's like the policeman we talk about because he's like, wait a minute, I'm here slaving away doing this. You don't even give me a goat. Here I am.

I'm trying. I'm not in the pig pan. And you know what the other brother's doing when that's happening? This is the birthplace of country music. He's out there singing a song about the pig pan. Yeah. And cows. Because there's a back, fatten cows, and there I was.

That's right. So now you know where that came from. There was a celebration and the older brother wouldn't go in and celebrate the return because he was mad about it because he thought that's not right. And then it just ends. And it's really interesting because that Luke 15 starts out with people complaining about Jesus eating with tax collectors. It's a good thing, Al, that Jace, Willie and Jep, along with Ms. Kay and I, your mother and me, it's a good thing that we all. all that open arms when you finally turned and said, okay, how about enough? I came to my senses.

It was very much similar to the prodigal son because I realized I was in a big. And none of your brothers held it against you. Nope. I think that's the hard part is trying to figure out how to, as now, you know, we're on the other side of this thing. How do you get people to come to their senses? Yeah. Because really, that's the key phrase in Romans.

to me that senseless. Yeah. And based on Luke 15, he just, because at what point would you say that this is not working? To me, you would have thought it would have been before we've entered a pig pen to make a living. Or maybe he thought, well, it'd be fun. I like bacon or whatever. But now you're eating what, forget the bacon. You're eating what they're eating.

And I see a man coming my way with a crowbar in his hand. and he's, you know what's interesting too when you look at it from Roman 6 is that he said I'm no longer worthy to be a son, which was the right attitude. I mean, he's now realized that he cannot do it. He's done. But then he said, I'll just be a slave. Well, in Roman 6th, he uses the same terminology. You're a slave to sin and offer yourselves as slaves of righteousness. But the beauty of it is is that that's your attitude, but God, makes you a son. That's again.

This is why we were talking about the difference in their culture, because what he was saying was, I'll go back and I'll just work for you. I won't be your son. I'll be a hired hand. I won't stay in the house. I'll live out where the people that work for you live. But basically get me out of where I am. But I won't be where I was.

And the father says, oh, no, no, no, no. That's not the way it works. You're a son. In fact, here, let me give you this robe, the sandals, the ring, you know, and the fat and calf, you know. So I always say in my speech that, uh, you're, you're a son. that night that I came home, we had the fatten catfish and had a celebration because a lost son of return. But that's the, so much, Jay says about how then we embrace other people. So not only just

what I get for me when. Or Jep had a great line when we all had a deal with him, a meeting of the mind when Jep said, okay, I've had enough of it. Jeff said, what took y'all so long? Yeah. He was wondering, where were we? I mentioned, well, that's why people miss Grace, though, because you think, well, this is why it all went wrong. He shouldn't have gave him that original gift. Well, then when he come back, what do he do? Gave him some more gifts. That's right. Well, what change the guy's attitude? That's right, his heart. It wasn't the gift that was the problem. That's correct. It was the heart. I want to mention that, I've mentioned before on here, but I mentioned again, if you go to I am second.com or dot org, I am second. They just released a new thing about our stories.

And Jeff's story is on there, which is really powerful. When he said that the other day, it just still touches me watching it. Phyllis's stories on there, too, as well as Lisa and I, but that's a good thing to check out. Just to show you that grace our family has received when we turn from our wicked ways. And it started with dad. Well, actually, it started with mom and then dad and then all the rest of us. So it's kind of what's built us up. So next time we'll come back because right where we left off, there's some interesting stuff that Paul says about this back and forth battle that I think would be good for us to talk about.

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