Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 299 | Phil Robertson Rushes Miss Kay to the Hospital in the Middle of the Night

Episode Date: June 23, 2021

Phil is stunned to find Miss Kay bleeding profusely when she wakes him up after a goodnight kiss for their dog goes awry. An ER worker chews Phil out for not wearing a mask, and he is NOT having it. Miss Kay just wants everyone to know the accident wasn't Bobo's fault, and Jase decides they need a protocol for waking up pets. In other news, Al's GPS does him wrong. Mia decides to get rebaptized by Phil. And the guys discuss baptism finger-wagging, groups that elevate the church above Jesus, and why it's important to be open about your testimony. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I'm having to double my black rifle coffee. I've never been more grateful for murdered out coffee than this morning. So I get home, Jace, last night. We're traveling in from Tennessee. I've been speaking up there. I decided that I was so sick of the, because normally we fly where we're going, but we were in Gulf Shores. I just, the mask and the airplane and none of the restaurants are open hardly and the long lines to get a bite to eat. It's just, I don't know. I think it's because there's not enough workers for the, yeah, for the restaurant. So what I'm saying is flying, which I used to, I never love flying, but at least it was, you know, it was tolerable.

But commercial flying is just miserable. So I totally said, I was like, we're driving. And so I was like, you can't be any worse than being a car. I can stop. For you. See, I like the drive. Like we're going on vacation here coming up. I like to drive.

Well, I'm like. I've grown to like it more. It's the journey. I'm a journey. But, I mean, we were coming up at 65. The traffic was horrible. I mean, it took an extra hour and a half. Now I'm like, I don't know.

Maybe it wasn't so bad. Anyway, so I get home last night at 930. I'm tired. We've been driving eight hours to get home from Tennessee. And so about 1130, I get a text from Phyllis. And she said, I'm headed to the hospital. hospital with Ms. Kay and dad. And I was like, oh my gosh, what's happened now?

And so then so then I called. I knew it was worse than I thought, which, you know, when, when you text me at about midnight. Because I wasn't sure if we're going to be doing the podcast today. And, you know, Missy got the text. She come out there because, you know, she's been asleep for hours. What's so? She's, she was.

She's trying to tell me. I say, I got it. Yeah. And she's like, well, why did he text you? I said, because he knew I'd be up. Yeah, that's exactly right. And, you know, before we share what happened, there was two things that popped into my head. Because I know my dad well, I thought, if my dad drove my mom to the hospital, this is bad.

Because this is the same guy who, if you don't have a body part detached or you're not bleeding profusely, he's like, Oh, you be, who's a man? Yeah, we were raising the Who's a man here. He doesn't use deadening.

You know, he's had root canals. Oh, yeah. I saw him. Oh, he said things cut out of his back before. I saw him get a one inch to two inch metal rod removed from his eye without any deadening. So I, so I don't know. I don't know how you make this up, what we're fixed to say on why.

And she's doing, I mean, okay, I guess. Yeah, she's not life-threatening. Right. So, Dad, tell us how this happened to you last night. How does this happen? Because a lot of people said you can't make this out. Yeah, yeah. Someone would have had to tell me the story for me to believe it.

So I'm lying in bed. I'm sound asleep. she's a night person she goes to bed about 11.30 at 12 o'clock right I usually hit about 930 or 10 yeah so I'm in there I'm sound asleep I felt this shaking I looked up she's standing that beside the bed and her left hand is a cloth on her mouth like that and I looked up at it I thought I said what's you got she said I think you might have to carry me to the doctor and I said, for what? And she said, I said, move that rag.

She takes the rag off her face, and I'm looking at her top lip was split into about a quarter of an inch. That's a lot of, that's a lot of, that's a big cut. It's on the top left, and I just went on down. I saw her lip, and her bottom lip. over on the right side, there was just a chunk gone. Yeah. So bleeding profusely is an understatement. And it was a substantial chunk.

Oh, yeah. So I said, how in the world what happened? What did you do? And she said, I was going to kiss Bobo good night. When I got up at my chair, he's about four or five feet lying on the couch. she said I thought he was awake just relaxing she said so I went over and I just bent down to wish him a good sleep and I'm sitting there listening to this story said but when I woke him up he just come at me you know she said I just suddenly woke him up he just and then he just bitter lips bitter

bitterly it right in the face and I thought you have got to be kidding I said woman when I saw it I said I said hey I said I have to get you to the doctor for on that immediately yeah I said let me give my bridge's own so I pull up in front of Tony and Phyllis they live next door to us blew the horn three or four times Tony comes to the door wild-eyed and I said hey I said miss Kay got bit by Bobo, by a dog. Her dog. Her own dog. Who actually has a social media page.

Yeah, that's exactly. I'm thinking we need to have a post today from Bobo. I'm sorry I hurt you, Mom. She said, you make sure you tell those boys. She said, don't put him to sleep. She said, don't hurt that dog because it wasn't his fault. And I said, well, it was his fault all right. But I said, the old saying, Ms. Kay, let a sleeping dog lie.

I said, you need to remember that. But I said, you're one woman, we got to wrap her and bubble wrap all over from head to toe and turn her loose because the woman, I have even heard of this. She does find ways to get hurt. Well, we used to say she had a hypochondriac tendencies, but now the stuff keeps happening. She's just like an accident waiting to happen. That's where she is now. unbelievable I'm like

but she reappeared this morning about an hour ago it's now nine 10 o'clock so she's back they're back they they stitched it all up

and pulled it together she will she will look a little similar to your daughter with the lip a little bit it'll be a scar well that's what she said

which was pretty amazing really she's like well what was their she's so she's telling me this morning and she told dad the same thing she said well you know what i've been thinking about trying to pull all the positives out of what happened and one of the things is is i'll really be able to relate to me now at a deeper level because you know i'm going to share with her this and i just thought you know

only mom could think i mean she loves me up but i'm saying only she could think of you know in the moment of still being sore what impressed me was she never cried she never said she mentioned that to me she's so you're getting more like that she was she was not she was It's not like, what have I done? None of that. She would just calm. She said, she said even they gave her like five shots, you know, to numb everything before they stitched her up.

And she said, it was painful. She said, I was so surprised. I just didn't ever cry. I said, you must be getting more like dad, you know, where you just get a little bit tougher. I think if we had some cameras, follow you all around at this stage of your life. It's almost like we need a show. We need a show about our family because these crazy things keep happening. I'm beginning to think that we have, we're, we're,

We're not right. I mean, we're... Why does this stuff keep up? There's a certain amount of pain that follows us everywhere we go. It does. This is one of them. But all I can say is she's stitched up. She's doing great.

She is doing well. She's seated over the house. Bobo was the first one to run out there, meet and greet. He's there with the other two dumbest dogs on the earth. But all three of them huddle around her, you know, they were glad to see her. I'm really surprised. I told Missy, I was like, I'm not sure Bobo's still with us. I mean, I just in the moment.

Well, we all immediately thought of like. If it had been malicious, just I'm going to chew you up, you know, and you're my master, but I'm going to chew you up. If he had just done that, but after she told the story, she just reminded me, she said, it wasn't his fault. Yeah. He just, I woke him up and he was startled. So, you've had moments in your life. Yeah. You weren't awakened nicely, you know.

Well, we used to call it a reckoning. You know, it was a reckoning, you know, when animals misbehaved. But, you know, so we came in. So, Lisa went up there and kind of took over. Phyllis had to work today. So bless her heart. She stepped into the gap there to help out, you know, because she's the nurse now and the family.

So mom and Lisa got in about 3.15 this morning to my house. And I woke up because I heard mom talking. And so I went in there and checked on her and she was okay. And so she got a little bit of sleep. And then I brought her down here this morning. First thing she told Dad when she came in, she said, I just want you to know that Bobo met the truck and he apologized. Yeah.

He licked me on the foot. And I knew what that meant. And he was sorry about what happened, last year. Welcome to the redneck world, ladies and gentlemen. I got these two little lap dogs now that they, we stay under my little layer. Now I'm going to have to watch that, you know, closely. I mean, just because they'll come up there and I'm like, they are dogs.

Well, that's what I thought. You know, and I got to think about Bobo, a couple of things. One thing is, I mean, that dog is, he's a killer. He's a killer. I mean, he'll kill snakes. He'll kill small vermin. He was probably having a dream. He may have been.

And then the other part is he's been snake bits so many times and he caught one in the eyes. So he's got cataracts on his eyes. You know, you think about it, when you get woke up like that, he just probably saw a large. I told, I said, never get your face. Don't get in. Don't lead it with the face. Close to a dog when you wake him up.

I said, you know, bump the couch or something, you know. I said, but don't stick your face down there a foot from him. The fact that we're having this conversation is really weird. I know. The protocol for awakening your pets. Yep. Mom told me, she said, I guess I'm a little. start wearing a mask again until I get this

fixed. So she's going to go back to the mask. She said, but I'm going to leave my nose out. But she's... I mean, it looks I guess worse than... I mean, I was pretty graphic. Well, it was in a picture last night. But she... I had to give the woman in there

behind the window there. Yeah, what was that lie? Well, they walked up there. And I'm just standing back and Lisa and Ms. Kay is standing there with a blood-drinked piece of rag on her face, they're getting all the paperwork ready to go

through the emergency process. Right. And the woman looks over me and he said, where's your mask? You know, it's a mask. You have to wear a mask. I said, it's had nothing to do with coronavirus. I've never had coronavirus. Ms. Kay's never had it. We've been vaccinated against you. I said, give me a break here. I said, the girl, she's been chewed up by a dog and we're arguing about where is your mask?

I said, I didn't bring one with me. I'm never, I never owned one, never wore one. So she passed one through the window and I put it in my back pocket. I said, I'm going to go out there and sit in the truck. You know what I thought you were going to say? I thought you were going to say. I'm getting chewed out because they didn't have a mask on. I never had coronavirus.

I don't have it now. I don't have antibodies. I mean, and I've been vaccinated. Your wife is standing there bleeding. My wife is bleeding profusory from being chewed up by a dog. And the woman is arguing with me, where's your mask? I thought you were going to...

Well, I didn't bring one with me. I thought you were going to say that she looked at Phil. She's holding her mouth and said, Oh. I'm calling the cops. I'm calling the cops. Yeah, maybe. Maybe.

She might have thought I was the perpetrator. Yeah, we got some facial profiling going on. Which can't blame her. I love it. I put the mask in my pocket. You know, I would think I would deal with the lips torn. before we got into an argument on whether you're going to get coronavirus or not. I just thought that.

That is interesting that the first reaction, even now, after everything has happened and where everything is. I mean, it's an emergency. That's what I'm saying. My wife is bleeding. I find that interesting that that's still a first response from people. It's just crazy to me. I found it fascinating. It is.

I mean, it just shows you how much this thing got under people's skin. That's where we're going to go forward. As you boys know, it is a, Jay's right, it is a rare scene to have me pull up to a hospital. So, it's, I don't know that it. The times they are a change in is all I can say. Good job. In this case, I think that was the right call. And you did the right thing.

That's right. Let's take a break. Yeah, so you never, you're never quite sure exactly what's going to happen. I guess that's what I told Dad said, you know, you go to sleep. Dad's been asleep a couple hours. You never quite sure, well, number one, well, I, yeah, am I going to. going to wake up because you know you could just go on home to build the Lord or what's going to wake you up i mean that isn't an interesting you know way to look at it which is you got to be

ready i guess to go at a moment's notice well hats off to Lisa and phyllis and dad and mom by the way so i know you're concerned about her she is doing better she's going to see a plastic surgeon about doing a little work there to try to fix things up you know get things back but she'll she'll have some scars some some memories of what happened so but like in our family because He's like, how do you guys laugh about it? But, you know... She is a dog lover from way about... She is.

And it was funny that she was worried about... She said, the boys are going to put over down. But, I mean, I don't blame the dog. It's just an accident the way it happened. Like you said, you know, some dogs do turn malicious. And so, you know, you have to do it. Once I heard the story, I wasn't sure how this happened. Right.

I wasn't either. I thought if the dog has gone crazy or has rabies or whatever, we might need to take care of that. Well, mom's promise is now she's got to take. antibiotics, you know, just to make sure she can't get an infection, but then she can't really take antibiotics. So everything my mom is like a process of like, you know, having to work through the thing. So it is what it is. So I was in, I was in Tennessee, Jase. I was, at least and I spoke at a church up there in a Lionary church up in Crossville, Tennessee. And it was interesting

because we were driving up there. And of course, the traffic was terrible. We were delayed. and we're supposed to get in about, you know, 930 when I get there like at 11. But so when I put it, I plugged in this stupid GPS on the phone. But when you're in a rural area, you don't get cell coverage. So the thing keeps going out.

You know, and I'm driving around in the middle of the night trying to figure out where I'm going. I got this, you know, device supposed to be helping me, but it goes out, it comes back. So it goes out and comes back. Well, it winds up taking me to a town called Cookville, Tennessee.

instead of Crossville, Tennessee. That's what she'd be. So I get there at the hotel. I was like, well, here's the hotel. But I look on the thing. I said, well, it says we're in Cookville. I thought we were going to Crossville. This is, it's 10.30 at night.

And I go in, I'm like, where are we? Where am I? It's always bad when you walk into an establishment and you say, where am I? Especially when you're in the wrong town. And so I was like, I said, well, where is Crossville? How far was Crossville? Well, luckily, it was only 30 minutes away. So she said, you get out here on the interstate.

And I was like, this phone is like taking me to the wrong place. So I get in there. So then I got there. And I was like, so I got me an old-fashioned Atlas, you know, from like 2016. Man, the big Road Atlas. Yeah, road Atlas, I can understand. Like a hundred of them. But computers.

Well, I would. The problem of the computers is they'll lie to you. Well, it lied to me. A lot. And I was already late. I was tired. I mean, this trip, it was supposed to take eight hours. It took 12 hours.

So I got out the road outlist to come home. And I said, I'm mapping me out of strategy. I'm writing down a piece of paper. And I'm not turning that phone on the whole time. I went dad. And you know what? I got home. I never missed a turn.

I knew exactly where I was going. So dad may be on to something with this anti-technology. It's called whizing up without a computer. Because the computer did be so wrong. You can't just go from point. A to point B, GPS, and depending on that. You got to least research where you're going. You got to do it.

I do it every time. I mean, that's just in my DNA. Well, what happens is you fly someplace and people pick you up and you just get lazy. You just get to where you're dependent on everybody, get you where you got to go. Two dependent. You're too dependent. The only time I've been lost like that is when we do go on vacation or family trip. You know, they say you're not lost if you don't care where you're going or when you get there.

So on that, I'm like, I don't have to be there. So I'm like, oh, it's whatever mishap is fine. But, you know, Missy doesn't think the same way. But I'm like, this is all part of the experience. But if I got to be somewhere, no, I'm not going to trust that GPS. The Apostle Paul said, rely on God in all matters, and you'll be all right. Once you start relying on your fellow man, especially in the traveling arena. Yeah.

So there was a, so dad, there was a guy there. And he came up to me. We were selling books. And he came up to me in the book line. And he said, so I got a story for you about, he said many years ago, he picked you, he and some other guys picked you up in Nashville at the airport. And you were speaking in Crossville, Tennessee, the same place I was. Really?

Yeah. And it was like a two-day thing you were doing. This must have been back in the, like, some kind of beast or, you know, some kind of festival or something. and he said they picked you up and he said it was just you it surprised me but you know he said we picked him up we said can can we get your bags mr robinson and you said oh no we're good I'm good and they were like well you know we're going to be here a couple of days and he said and he said you pulled you reached out and you had a side pocket on your pants you pulled out a bag and he

said there looked like there was a toothbrush in there and a pair of underwear and something else And that was it. You said, and you held the bag up and said, I'm good to go. And you stuck it back in your pocket. And I was like, yeah, that sounds like that. Travel, travel life, travel fast. So you had actually been to this town that I was in. But people came from all over.

There was a gal that listens to our podcast. This church was really, you know, they kind of used it as an outreach. And so there were a lot of visitors that came a lot of local visitors. And it was a packed house. but there was a young lady that came and she listens to the podcast, so I know she'll hear this. I'm sorry, I can't remember your name. But she drove like two and a half hours just to meet Lisa and I

because she told me how much the podcast had really helped her. And that's what I kept hearing over and over from the people that were there. The podcast has really helped me. It's giving me the Bible. One guy told me he said, you know, I've spent all my life listening to people talk about the Bible, and I've never understood it. And he said, but I started listening to you guys. And for the first time ever, it seemed to make sense is the way they put it.

So I don't know. It made me think, Jay, is that I guess there's a, I don't know how people are approaching their teaching and they're preaching out there. But it doesn't seem to be practical enough for people to be getting it in certain, you know, format. So I don't know what to make of that. Every time I hear something like that, I think about that my basic fundamentals and my speeches and wherever I go in Bible studies.

I think to that John 5 where Jesus having the discussion or disagreement with the Pharisees, and he's like, you study these scriptures thinking that by them you'll possess eternal life, but you refuse to acknowledge that these scriptures are about me. And I think that's the biggest problem. This is viewed like, from an educational standpoint, like, college course, people think, well, let me get all this right. If I can understand everything right, then I'm good. And there's a detachment to the author of the Bible, God Almighty, through Jesus,

and a detachment from their everyday life. So it's like you have one hour a week, most people, where you try to get it right from a belief standpoint from the scripture. You're studying it. and it's a detachment from your everyday life. So maybe I think when people hear us talk, because this is viewed as a relationship, there's seven days a week,

24 hours a day with the ups and downs of trying. Theology is not always helpful. Common sense. Common sense carry you a long way and study in the Bible. Well, it's even, you think about all these people who are, like in our day who criticize whatever it may be our podcast or a speaker or preacher or that you know the show we had the chosen yeah the chosen they oh i don't agree with this and that's where it's it's coming from that

mentality because you think well every preacher you've ever heard let's say the guy you like the same person who may be criticized in the chosen or whatever do you think they got it right 100% of the impossible. Right, impossible. You're never, so if you have that mindset, you're always going to be able to find the bones among the fish. Right. So if that's your deal, you're never going to be satisfied

or experience, I think, which you should be experiencing, which is a dependent on God's grace and a focus on Jesus and allowing the Holy Spirit to control your attitude. Let's take another break. Yeah, you know, I had a really interesting talk. There was after yesterday, one of the last conversations I had

was a young guy named Alan, ironically. And he was struggling with that because he's in a church that's, you know, sort of legalistic. And, you know, he's wrestling with it. And he hears us talk about the Bible. And he really, you know, brings it to life for him. And in our conversation, I came to a realization just in talking to him, I said, you know, I think what's happened with a lot of churches, unfortunately, is they've, and a lot of groups, is they've elevated the church above Jesus.

And so when you do that, what happens is, as you said a minute ago, Jays, then it all becomes about that hour and a half. Everything becomes about that, when we're gathered, because it's always about the church. therefore how we do things criticisms blah blah blah and you get so tangled up in that whole process about the church itself that you kind of forget why jesus established his church on the earth and you miss jesus for all the trappings of just the either the assembly or whatever and so it really i mean i don't know i don't think i ever would have seen that when i was inside when i was you know when you're every day you're trying to make you know work help people you know i was you know i was sew in the weeds of it.

But now that I'm kind of a little bit more on the outside and doing what we're doing here, because all we're doing is pointing people to Jesus through the Bible. And it's not really that, that hour and a half is not that crucial of a deal. I mean, it is. I'm glad we do it, but I'm saying it's not bigger than Jesus. It was a great event yesterday because Jason's daughter, Mia, requested to be baptized, so she wanted to be baptized. We went up there.

and I baptized her and some little young buck come running up and he said he said why did you say you were baptized her in the name of Jesus and she was going to receive God's spirit because we all say

we baptize him in the name of the father's son and the spirit and I said well I said you got your Bible on you I said did he have his Bible on it? He didn't have it on it I got it.

Hey, you, you attacked an unarmed man. Coliseus 2.9, I said, remember this. For in Christ all the fullness of the deity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, lives in bodily form, and you've been given fullness in Christ. Who's the head over every power and authority? I said, trust me, if you baptize them in his name, it'll work. I said, remember when Peter preached the first gospel sermon there in Acts 2? He said, yeah.

I said, did you notice that Peter said, when they ask him, what do we do? I said, well, you just saw what we did 2,000 years later. I said, Peter said, repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. So that your sins will be forgiven and God have gave you the gifts of the Spirit. He said, that is what he said, isn't it? I said, yeah. I said, look, I said, if I had said, I'm baptized in the name of the Father, Son, the Spirit. That would have been fine.

Yeah. I said, I said, trust me, dude, either one I'm going to work. You're good. He said, you really help me out on that. I said, well, I'm just telling you. Read through all the verses. I said, yeah.

See, then my line from Tombstone would have worked. You should have said, well, you should have armed yourself. If y'all haven't seen that movie, you completely missed where I was going. You shot him an armed man. You think, what's he going to say? Well, he should have armed himself. but Phil it was in a camp right

you're at a camp setting right is that we were there was a hundred fifty teenagers and look you know my daughter was because a lot of people said well what y'all was baptized her again well she was baptized when she was young

she was in junior house she told me that she said I really I did the same thing I didn't get it I wasn't convicted I did the same but you know what when because I baptized her then and I felt like she wasn't getting it then I was like you're you're innocent but you know she insisted so I had a caveat I said look I'll

baptize you because it's not it's about you and Jesus understanding his grace it's hard to understand his grace when you don't have sins right I said but we're to do this with a caveat at once some point in your life I mean I want you to be sure of your salvation but if you ever get to a point you say you know what I was really too young to understand I said if you Phil, you need to do that. I don't see a problem with that whatsoever. I don't see a problem with your advice either. She called me from camp, and she was like, brought up that conversation.

Yep. And I said, hey, you work it out. Look, I've told you everything I can tell you. So this needs to be between you and God. So whatever plan. And so she basically talked to John Luke and Phil, which I thought, that'll work. and her cousin, Zach's daughter.

So I was like, it's good. I felt good about it. It's almost like it's a coming to awareness on our own outside of you and Missy. And that happens because, I think about that Roman 7 passage, you know,

that, you know, when the commandment springs to life, at some point you just have a realization. I was the same way. Like Roman 7. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you know, It's a difficult situation. You do have the Acts 19 where you had people were baptized. It was a completely different situation where they were baptized before Jesus. And so then they ran up on a group after Jesus. And they're like, they said, do y'all have the Holy Spirit? They're like, we never even heard of the Holy Spirit.

Because they had had John's baptism. Well, but they did baptize them again. And really when you're thinking about Jesus is what the point is. That's correct. your surrender to them. So these people that form groups based on that difference. Because Phil, you said that without thinking, that's fine. I think of that Colossians 2, where it says, in Christ, all the deity lives in bodily form. So when you say in Jesus, you can't have Jesus without the Holy Spirit. They're a package deal. There one. But other people

will, I've seen, I've been to places where they baptize somebody. And then they're like, I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, in Jesus name, and then whatever else they can think of that somebody said that you need to say, well, after a while, it's like, what are we doing here? I don't know if I've ever told this story on the podcast for it, but I remember I was 18. I was a brand new Christian myself. She had just said in the swimming pool where we went that Jesus is Lord. Well, that pretty much goes.

I like the passion and when she said it too. I did. I did too. I mean, because she's not a real, you know, loud, outspoken part, but I thought. I was impressed with her confession. I was, too. I thought, you know, look, I wanted to say this story. Kellett preached yesterday because I had preached the week before. So I was, I guess, coming to make sure he didn't screw that up.

No, I can't. But, and so he mentioned what I shared, because he was in the next phrase going to Roman 6. But he told an interesting story about himself. and he said, you know, when he was young in the faith, he had legalistic tendencies, as he said it. And because Romans 5 is really about this grace being bigger than you being able to keep the law or your lack thereof in the opposite. God's grace is bigger, which led to the question in Romans 6, what shall we say? Shall we sin so that grace being increased? Hang on, let's take a break.

So, but he told this story. about the first time he baptized somebody it's a pretty funny story he's like he didn't know if he what to say and he felt like he did he said it was a train wreck about what he said but he and he was awkwardly trying to baptize the guy well the guy put had a fear of water which i've had one of those experiences myself so the guy uh grabs the side of the baptistery the guy he's baptizing And so he comes up out of the water. But everybody's standing around looking, thinking, what about that hand?

When you bury somebody. And I was thinking, surely not. Is he going to be missing an arm in the Great Resurrection? Surely not. And Mike said, you know, in that moment, I was nervous. And I thought, take him down again. We got to go back here. And I thought, how sad is this?

that we're thinking like this because it is about the heart. And it's about the surrender. And I don't think in God's grace, if you get everything said properly, or even in this case, it was about the heart anyway. We're a long way from you surrendering to Jesus when you're thinking, this guy had two fingers out of the water. He's having said that if the guy said, I don't feel comfortable when you bury.

somebody you are to, if he wanted to do it again, I would still use the same grace on both sides. But Mike says, I've heard that story and he's holding the guy down, like there was somebody on the outside of the glass and they were trying to peel his fingers off the glass so Mike could take him all the way down. And this poor guy's thrashes. All of a sudden, this is turning into somebody falling off the side of the mountain and you're peeling his fingers off because you want to do him harm. What they forget is, it's an act of faith. Yeah.

It's an act of faith that brought you there. So your faith saves you there. You don't want to make it about the ritual. So I was 18, we were on the river. We were all at a little small church that you and mom and some others that kind of started out here close here in Luna. And so I was, you know, I shared with the guys the first time I was so on fire, you know, because I was a brand new Christian.

I was 18. And Lisa and I were about to get married. And, you know, I baptized the guy. And, you know, it was exciting. I was like, man, yeah, I'm fired up, you know, I'm a part of this thing. And as we're walking up, one of the guys, who was a great guy? I loved him. He's dead now.

His name was Sammy. Sammy come and put his arm. He said, I'm so proud of you. He did so good. He said, but now you didn't say for the forgiveness of sins. And I just remember in the moment, I mean, I'm 18. I'm brand new Christian. And I thought, oh, no, I screwed it up.

Like, you know, because. I didn't say the right words. And he was just, that was the way he thought, and he didn't be anything malicious by it. But looking back on it years at the time, I felt terrible. But what a terrible thing to do to a young guy. That's what I'm saying. It was awful.

I was so unfair. Which you should have, you know, which is why we should all arm ourselves. And like, look, one of the things that came out yesterday, because he preached on Romans 6, but he made a comment about Romans 5 in this battle of rules. oriented law-based Christianity versus God's grace. Right. And he said, he said, you know, the Bible repeated itself in Romans 5, 9 and 10,

where it says, since we've now been justified by his blood, and he made everybody say these next three words, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him? And then verse 11, I mean, in verse 10, it says, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his son. And then he made everybody say it again. How much more having been reconciled shall we be saved through his life? Well, then he went on to Roman 6.

But I kept reading. And look, when the Bible repeats itself, I take notice. Because I'm like, so look, well, I don't know if he wasn't aware or he missed this in his notes. But in chapter 5 in verse 15, look, it says the gift is not like the trespass. for if the many died by the trespass of the one man. How much more? There's that phrase again.

How much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man? Jesus Christ overflow to many. So look, then you go to 17. For if by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace? Well, then he gets down to 20, and it says, the law was added so that the trespass might increase, where sin increase, grace, and increase, and here's that all the more. And I thought to myself, he was trying to make a point here.

He was. And I think when you, here's my point, even you bringing up the initial thing that we're talking about, about what's appealing, maybe it's not about us and the podcast. It's about that we're highlighting God's grace in Jesus way more than any kind of ritualistic law-based Christianity. I mean, to me, that is the difference. And you say, well, give me your scriptures to prove it. How much more? He said it five times, and in every case, he was saying, how much greater is God's grace

than for you trying to keep some system in getting it all right. And for some reason we don't apply that to little things. Like when somebody doesn't say what we think are the right things. And you've got to allow for God's grace and God's freedom in pointing people to Jesus. And so if you say, well, how specific do I have to be in all that? Not very because I'll screw it up. Yeah. And it's not about, I've said this so many times now, it's never about the baptizer.

That's right. It's about the baptize E. It's about the person who has committed themselves a life change. It's just a submissive. I mean, technically it's about the person that you're baptized for. Exactly, even more. Ultimately going back to God. Right, exactly.

But it's not, we've made it far too ritualistic in its nature of what it was designed to do. I mean, it's just a culmination of a person's, you know, heart. You have to look at it through God's grace. And look, you've all seen guys that get up and or been to churches where it's like they have these same sayings, you know. We want to do things in decent and order and, you know, pray for the preacher to have a ready recollection of it. And it seems like it's some kind of seance that's done on a weekly basis that's so detached from real life. and it really is. And I think Jesus addressed that when he's like,

don't be like the Pharisees who stand on the corner and like to hear themselves talk. Right. Well, and let's take our last break. I think what we did this weekend is a classic example. So we go in, the first thing at least an idea was we just, you know, we told our story because it was a marriage thing we did on Saturday. And I could tell people were shocked.

that people would be so transparent about mistakes. That's what I kept hearing from people. And it shouldn't be surprising that people realize by their, the Revelation 12, you know, the testimony of your life, what Jesus did to save you is powerful. And I told them, I said, look, a lot of people in Christianity, they're stingy with the victories of God. I mean, you impact people by being real.

And that's what people, when they see that and they know that there's an authenticity, then they'll listen to you. They're like, okay, these people have something to say. What's weird in our world, I mean, this occurred, I was watching the U.S. open the last day of it. And they ruined it for me. It's like an hour before it ended. I told you, the last time I watched the golf was the PGA.

And the last words were, Phil Mickelson defeated Father Time. I'm like, you like our principles so much that you use them in these dramatic moments. And even though it's not possible based on the belief system that you have, we have people in the church who won't even embrace these aspects.

That's what's so weird. And the same thing happened when I'm watching the U.S. Open, they, because they're playing at, where was that, it was in San Diego. Torrey Pines. Yeah. Where the last time it was played there, Tiger Woods on a broken leg. It was a wounded knee.

Yeah, Bito Rocco. So they did a tribute to that because they're trying to create drama for the end. So they do. And I mean, look, because I remember watching that. I got into it. It was incredible. The man played 90-hoes. They show him limping.

And he won on the 91st hole. after an 18-hole playoff. And so you couldn't just leave it at that. I mean, it was awesome, great. He was hurt. He's best golfer ever lived. Okay, you could have said that. But then these last words,

he made the impossible happen. I don't like, that's your closing line? It wasn't impossible. It wasn't impossible. He didn't. You liar. I started hollering at the TV. Mizzy comes up.

What are you doing? I was like, they just lied in the spirit of drama. And it's ruined this golf match for me. Now, you couldn't even enjoy it from that point forward. I've never heard a man getting that fired up about golf. It wasn't about golf, Phil. It wasn't about golf, I'm saying. It was about a pre-package she got upset about.

I'm like, you want to know what's. impossible, Hebrews 116. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. It was impossible for Jesus is, for Jesus to stay dead, Acts chapter 2. These are the kind of real impossibilities that actually God pulled off. And don't try to steal that from the Bible just to put a little ribbon on your story at the end. And all I want to do is see he wins the U.S. Open. That's funny. Was that a Jim Nance moment? Was that he was doing? Well, it was the, was a different, I don't know, I didn't get to watch anything. What do you call them?

Affiliation. Their Jim Nance. Oh, a different network. That Jim Nance, CBS, this is NBC. But their Jim Nance guy is the one he said. Oh, yeah. I was like, nope. And look, here's why I'm saying.

It's okay to be a legalist if you're criticizing the world. So I'm being the legalist. Now that's somebody, because that's wrong. That was not impossible. You know what, he practiced that all week to get ready for that big package, pre-package money. It made me want to just holler. But I did watch it.

I was pulling for Oak because it got down, it was the U.S. Open and it got down to two guys who are not from the U.S., which made it exciting. You had John Rom, who is from Spain, and he, the last time he played, had a six-stroke lead the day on Saturday. So with one day to guys. And he just finished the wrong. round.

Speaking of putting a mask in your pocket. And they test, and he tests positive for the coronavirus. So they're like, you would think they'd say, okay, you've got to have six-shot lead, wear a mask tomorrow. And you can win this tournament. They said, no, you're out. DQ. Yeah, so he gets no money.

Whoa. So look, so that's about as low as you can go, because when he can went off the case, he just buried his head in his hands. Another example of rule keeping. It's a bummer. And so yesterday he wins the U.S. Oath. Yeah, that's the same thing. And when they asked him, what do you attribute it to?

He said, you know what? That was his lower moment from a golfing career. And I thought I got two choices. I can be bitter about it or I can use it as karma to overcome. Yeah. He's like. He won it. I like the passion that he had.

I was pulling for Oosteasing. Right. Because he's kind of hard. luck. He's been there so many times. He was. What was this guy's named? He won't it? John Rom. John Romp. You got to set like that. John Rom. He's a big guy. He's a Spaniard. And he's real

passionate. And so that's good or bad. He's either thought of the country. I've kind of not liked him over the course of his career because he's had some meltdowns and kind of a hothead. But when that whole thing happened to him, I'm like you and I missed the whole thing. But when I saw he won it last night when I got home, I was like, I felt really good about it because I thought. I was going to tell you why I'm pulling for Louis East Hays, and this is,

this will be fun for you. He's, I'm South Africa. He's from South Africa. He won, he won. He's a little bitty guy, too. I actually played with him on a couple of holes until I realized I was in the wrong

group in a pro am. Was he playing through? I completely screwed up. Look, this guy, look, he hit his T-shot. I'm like, hey, let's go, let's play some guy. We're playing in a pro-a-ean. He hit the T-shot, and I thought, where'd he go? I literally, it just left my visual peripheral.

Hey, Jase, look, them dudes is pros. Hey, he turned around, he went right down the middle. I was like, oh, boy. So when I got to my ball, I was right in the edge of the rough, and I got every ounce of it, all I had. I looked up there in the middle of the fairway, and he was about 50 yards ahead of me in the middle of the fairway. where I was like, how did I not see that long?

But anyway, that's why I'm not rude. I was rooting for him. But he's finished second like five or six times after he won the British Open like 10 years ago. He won a Masters too. No, wrong. No, he's only won one one. He's won the Masters. Did he win the Masters?

He won the Masters. You're positive? I'm positive. Louis Easton. Yep. Look at that. You'll find I'm right yet again. You might be right.

So here's where I was going to say, though. is funny uh so the reason i like him is because he had finished second so many times after he won the british open that he did and people were like oh it's hard luck you know and he had just finished second in some tournament and so he does a video and it's that song i'll rise up i'll rise up and he's like uh what do you call it when you're panamining yeah and the thing went by i I watched it. Because everybody's like, boy, I bet he's broken up, finish that, because the media again. It's like, oh, he just can't finish.

He would be the greatest, but he keeps finishing second. Pocket at $1.2 million, but he just can't finish. Almost. Almost. That's it. He's not doing the impossible. So he does a video, and he's Panama, and he's like, and it's like, they got the song, this woman, which I love that song. I'll rise up.

Yeah. Rise from the pain. I mean, and I thought, what a guy to do that after finishing second. There was something about that that I really like. Josh corrected. He was a runner up in the Masters, so you were right. Thank you, Josh, for appreciate that. I think that's why he did the video, because he finished second,

and he was like, I'll rise up. So now I'm wondering if he'll do another Panama after finishing second. Right. Yesterday. That would be good. did. Yeah, and that was hard. I mean, I was kind of glad, like you said, because of what happened to Rom, which is really good. I'm not sure how we got off into that. I don't know, but we're out of time now, so we'll try to do better next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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