Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 303 | Phil Gives Miss Kay a Nickname After Her Accident & Jase’s Encounter with the 'Chosen Army'

Episode Date: June 30, 2021

Jase and Al are on a vacation that includes “EBP” — everybody but Phil. Jase is technically at the beach, but that doesn't mean he actually goes down to the beach. Phil gives Miss Kay a new nickname after her recent lip injury, but she may not be happy with it. Jase describes his experience with the “Chosen Army” and says its members are “high on Jesus.” Ryan Lee, director of One Kingdom, drops by. Larry Bowles recaps the sermon he delivered on Romans 7 at WFR Church on Sunday. And Phil and Jase discuss how much power Satan has. Visit https://www.onekingdom.org/ for more information about One Kingdom's mission Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Jay's just rolled in. So Jay's, I know you got your golf shirt on. No. It's good. We're at the golf club. I just love seeing Jason in a collared shirt for once. Well, there's a story. Hell. Can you believe it? Jason has a story, Dan. I had to put this shirt on just to get in this place. The rednecks are in town.

Yeah. Yeah. so we've actually taken over the golf club we just ran everybody out of here one of the cart boys said uh sir you need to have a colored shirt on i was like one moment please so i'm going to play golf later i'm always suspect of any human being who walks up to me and say around here you need a collar or something of that sort i'm a little bit suspect of them that's the barrier entry playing golf i mean what's the you know what's the big deal there that's right makes the ball go straighter so he so you guys are on the on your beat on a family beach strip right yeah this is

our yearly our yearly pilgrimage south the whole family comes down it we call it ebp larry it's everybody but phil and so that was that was my question now that was my question because phil where are you there i cry all night long i cry all night long i cry all night long just missing being down there on a hot sandy beach with sand getting in ever orifice of your body the sun is burning you up there's half-naked women going around it's just this side of hell in my opinion and you have to have a collar or you can't hit the ball yeah yeah yeah too many rules I don't think that's cut out for the beach no no evident not.

Yeah. So we're down here on our yearly trip, and so we decided we would try this. We've never done this before. Jason and I are uncomfortably close to one another here on this. Well, here's the back story. We played here at the peninsula. When they say it, they lowered their... You've got to go, the peninsula.

The peninsula. And I'm looking at this. Oh, the view we're having this. It was spectacular. It was too bright to show y'all, but it was, it's amazing. So Al asked them if we could do the podcast here, and they were like, sure. And we'll let you play golf. So I was like, in.

Yeah. But they left out the memo about the collared shirt just to get in the, I knew you needed to wear one when you're playing, but I thought we're good. We're in podcast mode, not in golf mode. Well, apparently the memo didn't get all the way through the staff. so but we're here now and so we want to welcome larry balls one of our good buddies and we're going to hear more about him a little bit later and of course our old friend ryan lee is back yes uh ryan is a director of one kingdom as well as one of our fantastic worship leaders at wfr so we're glad to be here i feel like before we get going though we need to you know last week on the

podcast, we reported that Bobo had bitten Ms. Kay. And so I thought we were just keeping that amongst ourselves, the Unashamed Nation. But apparently someone out there. Evidently not. Contacted a media outlet and here we go. No, it just showed you that Fox News was actually listening to the podcast. I guess that's true. They said breaking.

That's what I found funny. Breaking news. Breaking news. It was breaking three days ago. So just so our audience, and I guess Fox News or whoever else is listening, well, no, Ms. Kay is getting better. She did come with us on the trip. She looks way better. She looks way better.

Her lip is healing, so she's doing well, no infections, so all good a week later. Also, Bobo is doing fine. He's in therapy now. Dad has got him doing some therapy with him while we're away. Oh, you may need to do a whole podcast about that. It's pretty interesting that several people at the thing down in Nakhadish, the Hall of Fame thing that several people told me the same thing happened to their family members. And I was a little surprised.

I thought it was a very rare thing, but evidently, maybe not. I got to say, it's happened to me. It has happened to me. So we, in our house, we like to scare each other. I don't know if this is kind of an odd tradition. So we like to meet me and my wife like to hop around the corner and scare each other. So I had a dog. That's a death sentence.

I do this to Kathy. I mean, I'm not scared to anything, but I'm scared to death of her. Well, I've learned my lesson now because my dog taught me. Dogs laying there and I thought, you know what? I scare my wife. I scare my kids. Why don't I try and sneak up on the dog and give it the old. And dog turned around, bit me right in the nose.

And, you know, I'm just gushing blood. Yeah, well, there you go. And the dog's looking at me like, all right, is we going to thumbs up, thumbs down? I was like, no, thumbs up. That was my fault. Probably more common than you would think. You know what I'm saying? Well, apparently so.

And I'm going to report this, Dad, because I was impressed. Last night, the whole family, everybody but you. And Willie's not here this year either, but everybody but you. So mom has given us the play-by-play because not everybody had heard the whole story from her. Only what we had read in the news. But so she's telling the story. And I said, well, did dad say, why would a woman, you know, wake a sleeping dog? Because dad usually does a little blame.

assessment before we get about the proceedings of healing and helping. But I said, did he do that? And she said, no. She said he didn't do that at all. In fact, he said, I'm so sorry this happened to you, Ms. Kay. And I was like, dad has grown. I mean, like, that was really good, Dad. That was amazing.

I have to say I was kind of shocked. Hey, well, when I'm in my 20s, suck it up. You can take it. I mean, you know, these days, you know, I've mellowed through the years there, old. Oh, first son. So, Al, what you're saying is when you, when you skiing your knee, your father didn't come to you and say, I'm so sorry that happened to you.

I told Ms. Kay, I said, just get used to it because it's an ongoing phenomena. I said, all them chicks out there in L.A. and New York, you know. I said, you're going to have a little meeting, I think, with the Botox crowd, you know, puff up your lips a little bit there, you know, smooth them right on out. So they said they think they can fix it without like what mainline surgery. They think they can kind of fix it, you know, and tie it back together a little bit. A little gap in there, you know. But it wouldn't bother me.

I love the woman, lips, lips or whatever. I told her, I said, we're going to start calling your booger lip. Oh, boy. She didn't laugh. Well, someone told us sometimes they'll take some, some fat fatty tissue from your posterior and inject in there to fix it so I guess then if she could just say kiss my butt and that'd be a kiss on the lips yeah yeah the doctors are that she's healing rapidly so uh it's just a tough thing to see you know yeah it is it was an accident but it's it's all good so I want to mention one more thing too last week we did our first podcast in front of a live

audience in Dallas at the National Religious Broadcasters. And that was a lot of fun. We had a blast. I think all those people for turning out. It was a lot of fun. Jace had an event right after another live event with the Chosen. So I wanted you to mention that, Jase, because dad and I weren't there. We were doing some other things. So tell us kind of how that went. Sorry, Podcast Nation. That Chosen experience was amazing. That crowd was awesome. He said they sold out in eight minutes. Wow. and they were ralcus for the Lord. So we watched the new episode, which was season two, episode six.

Yeah. And I think episode seven comes out Wednesday, which I don't even know what day it is. It's Monday, days. Okay. So in two days, but they may be listening just later. When you hear this, it'll have been released. He's on vacation. You're not supposed to know what day is.

Yeah. I usually don't know what day it is, just on a daily basis. You're allowed to do that on vacation, but that's a daily event for Jace, I'm guessing. Now, Jace's life is a vacation. You got to remember last night. I was in deep in an Alabama jungle right at dark in July. Or is it July yet? No, it's not June.

In June. I also don't know what month it is. Doesn't even know the month. Good grief. I went metal detecting. And, man, I got turned around next thing you know, I'm in the jungle, baby. Did you go with Chef Chris? I did.

And we got separated and, you know, it was one of those deals. I saw him six hours later. Trunk of dark. No wonder you were late getting in there. I was like, Chris? Nothing. About an hour later. Chris?

Then finally about dark, I said, Chris? He said, Jayce? I said, oh yeah, all right, I figured it out. We were metal detecting, so it was an adventure. But when The Chosen, we watched the episode, it was one of the better episodes, which they're all awesome. And the crowd was just vibrant. And Dallas Jenkins and his wife, Amanda, had asked us to like, because they have a, they, they release the episode live.

So there's like a half a million people watching him. And he said after the episode, we'll introduce y'all and kind of get your thoughts. So they brought you up on stage? Well, yes. But when I was looking at, they moved four stools up there. And they were already up there, Dallas and his wife. And I don't know what I was thinking. I thought they were just, someone was going to come down and hand me a mic.

What did you think about it? great fantastic and we move on but I leaned over to Missy and I said we're fixing to get on that stage and she's like yep because you don't know what's gonna we literally did not know what was fixed to happen and the crowd was so big and they were just filled with energy I'd like to pack all those up and take them with me and so we got up and I think we were up there like maybe 30 minutes And we talked about the episode and just what they do at the Chosen. And it was one of the better experiences of my life. It was awesome.

Well, I have to, and I have to thank Unashamed Nation because you're the ones that let us know about it. We didn't know. We kept getting emails, and I mentioned it two or three times. Jason and Missy finally watched it first and then kind of clued us into it. So you guys, they call now it's the Chosen Army and Unashamed Nation. We're saying if we join forces together, there's nothing. I'll tell you what. this army is enthusiastic.

I like that phrase. Ruckus for the Lord. Rock us for the Lord. Well, the first thing I said, I said, if somebody just stumbled by here, I said, I'm not, I'm not going to kid you. They would think that whatever was going on in here that we were drunk. And everybody kind of chuckled. Well, drunk on the spirit. I mean, these people were hollered.

Yeah. I mean, that's what they assumed. in the axe, you know, it's like these men are drunk. Oh, no, no, no, no. And so I said, but we're just going to tell them that we're high on Jesus. And when I said that, I thought they were going to blow the roof off the thing. That's my point. Then I quoted Ephesians 5, you know, don't get drunk on wine, but be filled with the spirit,

seeing. And so when I said, seeing, I looked at Missy and pointed, but she looked at me like, don't, don't do that. She didn't that that was accused it's like drop it now and then she didn't yeah she didn't yeah I thought she might just launch into song just exactly but uh Dallas kept making fun of my accent and I'm like look bud after about the third time I said we're in Dallas and he's from Chicago yeah yeah careful yeah these people understand me I wasn't going to say anything but You're the problem here.

Talk about my accent in Texas. Let's take a break. So, Dad, you said you had a little, tell us what, tell these guys what we've been studying in Romans, and then we're going to hear a little bit from, I want to hear a little bit about Larry's sermon yesterday. He guest preached yesterday at WFR, and we gave him a real easy text, so I want him to talk about that.

He lays out, he lays the groundwork for the rest of the book of Romans. with the first opening line. Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God. That's one. The gospel he promised beforehand, through his prophets, that's two.

In the Holy Scriptures, regarding his son, who to his human nature was a descendant of David, and who through the spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the son of God by his resurrection from the dead, more gospel. And then he mentions grace instead of law to all in Rome, verse 5 or 6, 7 there, who are loved by God, grace and peace with you.

He brings up the gospel again in verse 9, the third time, fourth time. God whom I serve with my whole heart in preaching the gospel of his son, the message in there is nothing gets changed from then to now. So you get to Romans 116, just a little further down. Well, still with 15. That's who I am. I'm eager to preach the gospel. There it is again.

Also to you here in Rome. And then again in 16, I'm not ashamed of the gospel what this podcast is all about. because it, the gospel, is the power of God, not law, not a law of works. He's going to break all that down. Chapter 2, Chapter 3, the theme that he lays out in Chapter 1, Al, it keeps reoccurring, and he's redundantly saying, it's by grace you're saved. It's for everyone, Jew and Gentile. I'm quoting verses here that are to follow Romans 1, and it's, it's, it's, it's,

Jesus coming down in flesh, dying on a cross, being buried and raised from the dead. He also hammers the response to that faith and being baptized in water. That's Romans 6, and he just lays the groundwork in Romans 1. I just think from time to time everyone needs to look at Romans 1 and look at Romans 2 when people reject that And the problems that they are, because they don't think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gives them over to a depraved mind. And we use those verses to say, whether 2,000 years ago or present history, the story is exactly the same. And we're here for the very reason Paul was.

That's exactly right. Just one point. Pretty good one. I like it. That's pretty good. So, Larry, we gave you, we gave you Romans 7. which is where we've been in the text. And we talked about it on the podcast a little while back

because we're up around 9 and 10 now. But I didn't get to hear this number. I knew that Dad Jay's heard this. What do you think about it? Well, let me, Larry, I don't normally do this, but yesterday I didn't know what that was. It was Sunday. Of course he did.

You're on vacation. Because we're at the beach and I'd lost track where we were at. You're off the grid. Yeah. I'm off the grid. So my wife sends me this at 1125 because she's on the beach and I'm in the house on the beach. If I go down to the beach, I'm either metal detecting or fishing. But I can't just go out there just sit.

That just seems embarrassing. So she sends me this text. This is your lead in. She says, did you just listen to Larry Bowles? Question Mark. if not stop everything you're doing and listen to that sermon incredible with like 18 exclamation 18 exclamation points so I did I stopped what I was doing because she doesn't normally do that and so I went in and listened to it which I was shocked that it was so good no I was shocked the

stream allowed you to listen to it right after it had just happened because I thought well this is Good luck with that. That's gone. No, you can watch it. So, Larry, it was. I love it. It was awesome. Let's talk about it.

Yeah, give us a little thumbnail. I hadn't had a chance to watch it yet. So tell us kind of how you approach that text. Oh, goodness. Well, first, with an eye roll when they called and said, this is what you got. I said, do you think. But easily one of the most difficult. difficult, theologically, and one of the most controversial chapters in the book of Romans.

I mean, I say that nine is pretty rough as well in Paul's anguish over the loss of unbelieving people that were supposed to get it, you know. And it's just, it's where the grace of God comes head on with our sin. And what Romans 9 does, I think in so many ways, is it's like all of Scripture. Hebrews 412, the Word of God is living and active. It's sharper than any two-edged sword, and it divides us and penetrates and splits us in half, you know, bone from marrow, and it shoves you in a corner, and it forces you to choose. and it doesn't stop there.

It goes on to say that it judges the thoughts and intentions of the human heart. And I made the point that we think we read the Bible, but we don't. The Bible reads us in many ways. And it's the Holy Spirit's job to convict us of sin. And so when, like Phil's talking about, you come up to Romans 118 and 4. following. And, you know, there's just so much debate over that whole narrative. And people are like, well, I've done a Greek word study on all that, and I don't really think it means, really? That's your plan is to argue your interpretation of Romans 118 and following at the seat of judgment.

You might want to rethink that. And is that that God is, Let me ask you this, because I'm, how would you say the, why is this controversial on the Roman 7? Okay. And I wanted to clarify, like, some of the people that listen, they're like, what, what is the Greek language got to do with any of this? But, you know, this was, they didn't speak English. And so we then translate it, you know, but I wanted to know, because I'm, I try to

guard myself from negative fodder, I guess. The biggest controversy in Romans 7 is what it does in the end, because in verses 14 through 25, people say this can't be Paul's Christian experience. It's clearly set in the present. He uses the words, I, me, and my almost 40 times in 12 verses, and it's everything's present tense. And so he is writing. not about anybody else, not about himself. And so the theologians are all over the map on this, but it's clear to me that this is part and parcel here. It ends up in 25 and he says, you know, in my mind, I am a slave to the law of God, the desire of my heart. If the desire of your heart is Christ in you, the hope of glory, then God is only obligated to give us one thing,

and that's the desire of our heart. And people are like, oh, guys, good news. Well, kind of. But if the desire of our heart is Christ in us, the hope of glory, he will move heaven, earth, and hell to make that happen. He's going to work all things together for good, for those that love him and are called according to his purpose. But if your desire is for the things of the earth, and not just evil, just, you know, if you want all the stuff the world offers, eat, drink, be merry, build bigger barns for your stuff.

It's all good. He'll let you have it. Yeah, he made that point. You made that point yesterday, and I thought it was a good point, because it helped to explain Romans 1 when it says, therefore God gave them over. Yeah, three times in that past.

what ought not to be done. Yeah, and I tried to explain that. So why is it controversial is that here's Paul, endwelt by the Holy Spirit, inspired as he's writing these words, and yet at the end, he says, in my heart's desire, I want Jesus, I want everything Jesus is, everything else is garbage compared, but in my sinful nature in this flesh, I am a slave to the law of sin. What a wretched man I am who's going to rescue me from this body of death. Right.

But, and so I'm already, you know, the kingdom of God has already come, but it's not yet fulfilled. Why do we struggle with sin, even though we're in Christ, already we have been saved. We have been redeemed. There is now, therefore, no condemnation for those that are in Christ. That's off the table. However, struggle with sin is not yet. Hang on. Hang on, Dad.

Let's take a break. The mediating work of Christ looms much larger when you think, let's see. So everything in the past, including my sinful nature, has been cut away. I'm in Jesus and in Him there is no sin. It's protected. but that mediating work, you say, and no sin will ever be counted against me. If I'm honest with God, I just give them to him. The blood continues to remove whatever sin I will ever commit.

It's at least a comforting thing, and that kind of mind tends to be more righteous than saying, I did this on my own, and I can work my way to heaven, and I'll get there based on my work. Yeah. We're just not good enough. No. I love that. The desires of your heart. And Jace, you were speaking in this earlier. I think that gives a clearer picture of the wrath of God. You know, we think of, I think a lot of people think of God as this, you know, big wrathful. What is the wrath? Waiting to Zap you. Yeah. But really, truly, if you, you know, in Romans 1, you know, Jace was referencing early in verse 24, therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served and created things rather than the creator who was forever praised. So really the wrath of God is just that he will turn you over to yourself. And the worst thing that he can do to you is to turn away from you and to not be with God. That's the worst thing that we could possibly. And nothing has changed on that matter for 2,000 years. Right. Nothing gets changed. Same story.

Worldwide. I used the example of the prodigal son when the father let the son go as it relates to Romans 1. Because he was like, give me my stuff, give me my inheritance. And he's like, okay. Which made me get my head around it. I wanted to say this. We hadn't talked about this before. But one of the, in quotation marks, controversial things,

about the episode I watched in the Chosen, because I didn't know this Roman 7 was controversial. I've always read that and thought, wow, that really sums up our daily grind of keeping the old self buried and the Holy Spirit flourishing. And I like that struggle when you made that point about the struggle. But the Chosen, they've already come out and said, this is not Bible. We're taking the followers of Jesus, and we're. using our imagination. They got Jesus right, but they're taking their imagination and they're building

scenes that are reasonable. Storyline. Yeah, but, but, but make you look at yourself. And one of them they have was Mary, who, Mary Magdalene, they had a moment where she had a fallback into temptation from her previous life that had been in a, in a earlier episode. And I could tell he was nervous about it. that and I you know after the show I said I'm so glad you did that because if we're here thinking us as followers of Jesus we want to think that none of us have any problems we all got

it on straight when you think back to the followers of Jesus you know they messed up just like we do countless times and so they took that moment and they didn't they didn't just leave it there she then had this confrontation with Jesus because she came to her senses like we do on a daily basis and that moment where they had this conversation I mean I got teared up because I thought I've been there and he said two words

he said look up and Dallas said you know there's the gospel in those two words and she looked up and he's like you're forgiven and it was just it was really powerful but i made the point in the after the show as i said you know what don't fret about somebody emailing or calling saying hey man that wasn't in the bible she didn't you know she's not in a but you know they they said repeatedly that if you you know read the bible to get the bible this we have jesus portrayed here and these are the characters and they use their imagination.

But I thought, I don't want to be in the camp that's griping about how something's done, especially when there's so much trash out there in the movie world, when somebody's actually doing something awesome that makes you reflect to your own life. Just think how difficult that is. Well, Jason, it's the same thing. I mean, to answer your question on why that's controversial, a text like that, when you're trying, we've got these boats. You guys got boats.

and when the boat leaks, what's happening? You take it on water. Clock's running, exactly. So you're trying to patch all the holes in the boat. And so we've got these little theological boats or doctrinal boats that we try to keep watertight and there's cock and duct tape and everything. And then what Jesus does with a text like Roman 7 is he comes and starts kicking holes in your boat. and everybody's trying to patch their doctrine. See, they're trying to, they're not trying to, I think, be taught by something.

They're trying to patch a hole and save the integrity of their doctrine. And all the time, why is Jesus kicking holes in it? He wants to move us away. The Bible says, lean not to your own understanding. He wants to move us away from doctrines in our own theology. into a thing called trust and faith, you know, and I just, I don't have to know everything that's going on in the book of Revelation. You know, you've got premillennialism and ah millennialism and pan-millianism. I'm a pan-millennialist, and people are like, I'm not heard of that.

What is a pan-millianist? I believe you've got Jesus on your forehead that it's going to pan out in the end. is that I don't care where this goes down, how it goes down. If I am with Jesus Christ, I've got this. So Larry, I thought when you were giving that illustration in my mind, I went back to that. You remember that infomercial where the guy was in the glass boat and he was showing how you could patch it up? And I thought, what you remember that guy? Is that the flex seal?

Yeah, flex seal. So he said, who would build a boat? But I did. I did. So then I thought, if you, if you ride in glass boats, don't throw rocks. Yeah. I mean, there you go. Right.

I mean, but it's, you know, when you're trying to, when you're trying to bolster the basis of your, you know, this is true in a lot of things like, you know, prosperity gospel and that sort of thing. When you're saying, come to Jesus and everything is going to just be rosy and you won't have any more trouble. Paul, that's the antithesis of what Paul is saying in Romans 7, and it's not a popular message. You know, there's a difference between walking. Hey, Dan, let's take another break. There's a difference between walking in darkness and walking in the light. If you're known to be your mouth full of cursing, immorality, lying, stealing, shooting, burning, If you're known for that, it's a walk that everyone recognizes.

And the ones who walk in the light, you can see it. You can see God in people. And if you don't see God in people, us in particular, where are you going to find him? So his people are being viewed so we could make every effort to walk in the light as he's in the light. He's there to forgive us when we make a mistake. but to get up and be known for a hellish evil behavior or whatever, it's not logical. It's not logical.

Hey, Ryan. Hey, Ryan. So I want to talk for the rest of our time about what Larry is doing, and you guys tell a little bit about his mission and how we met. I will say to our audience, if you go to WFRChurch.org and go to our live stream, you can watch that sermon. So we just gave a little thumbnail, but it's,

and I'll be doing the same. And before you say that, and you can support his ministry. And I shared this before, I think the last time you're on, I became a supporter of his ministry the first time I heard him spoke. And I told Missy to write a check.

And she's like, well, they're going to tell you, that was back when I had a financial part. They're going to tell you to, you know, write it to something. I said, write the check. I'm making a move. right now.

We're being a panhandler or whatever. We're joining the, what do you say, a pan, penelimulus? Pan-millennial. Yeah. Pan-millennial. Because I'm a Jesus on the forehead and it'll pan out. I like that. I've used that in Athens talking to Farsi.

I've used that illustration in Athens talking to Farsi speakers and not everything translates, you know, as I have to explain panning. It's going to pan. So overall, how is your work? in Athens, Greece. It is amazing. Because all I have the, all I have to look at is when the Apostle Paul ran upon the Epicurean scholars and whatever, you know, and Plato and Aristotle.

So from there, 2,000 years later or more, what's going on now in Greece? Oh, man. Well, okay. As far as the gospel is concerned. The gospel is concerned. Well, starting with, you know, Act 17. that message that Paul delivers on Mars Hill, I know you've been there. I saw a thing that you stood on that hill and just standing that spot's amazing. It was eerie. It was eerie. And did you see

the, it's in Coyne Greek, and it's Acts 17 in a big bronze plaque that they put in the side of that. You remember that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's those exact words. And it's so cool to stand in that spot and to hear him say that that God does not live in the temple made by hands and there's the Acropolis. And the background there it was. Right there. Yeah. So it's, uh, you talk about a backdrop.

Most of them are on the ground now, but when he walked out there, they were all standing. It was, it would, can you imagine what that looked like? And Zeus's temple just right below that to the side. And so, yeah, it would have been in its full glory at the time. Are they aware the Greeks? modern-day Greeks, are they aware of their bowing down to all these false gods and idols? Do they realize that's part of their history? Oh, absolutely.

And they even teach Greek mythology as history in their school system and that sort of thing. But Greek, the Orthodox Church, the Greek Orthodox Church. And so where did that, where does that come from? Where does it come from? Well, just like... I mean, that's been around for like thousands. Yeah, yeah. It's, I mean, it's the Catholic church, you know, and then there's splits and splits.

And this is what happened to the body of Christ from the beginning. We know there's one Lord, one faith, one church, one baptism, one, you know, God and Father of all. But again, people start constructing these doctrinal and theological boats and saying, and I'm right on this and you're wrong. So we're going to... The creeds. There's the door. Exactly.

The creeds rise up. Yeah, exactly. And so, I mean, just the word. I think also, Larry, that people are trying to create groups called churches that were the people agree on all the details. And that's just not going to happen. That's a hamster running around. And people leave.

They get mad over a certain issue and they go somewhere else. And meanwhile, the task of being unashamed for Jesus gets lost. Exactly. And we're talking about the writings of Paul in Romans. And if he talked about any one thing other than Jesus, he talked about, hey, y'all, Jesus is the focus. It's not, you know, you're disagree.

He called them disputable matters, you know. And so there's the core of the gospel. And this is another illustration that I use over there is that, think of a wagon wheel and you've got a hub and then you've got this rim going around right and you've got these spokes that go out from that hub well that hub is holding everything together and if it weren't for the spokes the rim would just be flopping around and if they weren't connected to that hub and i think that you know obviously jesus is is that hub and all of religion invite you down one of those spokes.

So at the end of one of those spokes is just whatever issue is your thing. You know, it's like this or that or eschatology or your, you know, understanding of this or that, come and live in this camp. And that's why I think there's so many factions, so many divisions in the body of Christ is that everybody's living outside on that rim. I don't want to do that. what I want to do is stay at the hub. When they invite me down to live out here and look at Jesus from the perspective of that doctrine,

that's not working for me. If you're reminded, I want to remind you of the gospel I preach to you which you received and on which you've taken your stand. That's the hub. Now, if you stand on something, you're like, that's the hub. Yeah. Better get that on in your heart straight. I'm going to stay in the.

hub and look at that issue from my perspective of Christ. Yeah, exactly. Hey, Larry, let's take our last break. Tell our audience here in our last few minutes exactly what you're doing in Greece because your mission and what you guys are doing is amazing. So tell them about that. And then also in there, tell them how they can support you if they want to send some help or whatever. Okay, yeah, exactly what we're doing. That's the issue. we'd never know exactly what we're doing. We show up over there, and Jesus somehow uses us in that place. What's going on and why Athens is, and I think Ryan's going to talk about this,

why Athens is the place, is it about, right now there are more war and conflict-driven refugees existing in the world than at the height of World War II. And so... They're coming out of the Middle East. And Northern Africa. Yeah. I mean, and think about it. And so it's geographically, you know, here's Afghanistan and Iran and Turkey and you hit this water, you know, right at the edge of Turkey and there's Greece.

And it's like the geography, all these islands and everything, you know, there's just hundreds and hundreds of islands. and some of them are just right off the Turkish coast about a mile. And 80% of the people running for their lives in this world come right through Athens. And it's like standing in a doorway in all these countries that you could never get into. You just stand there and the Lord's bringing them to you. And so I always say, I've never led anyone to Christ. I just deal with the people that Jesus brings to me. And so our kind of phrase is we're looking for those that are looking for Jesus.

That's all we're doing. And so I have no, you know, I always say if God can speak through Bailam's donkey, he can use a guy like me. You know, you just, where do we fit in? Where do we fit in to the kingdom, you know? And I think we show up. I'm available. Here am I, send me.

Yeah, I had the same epiphany because I thought, what can I get involved in? I remember being a teenager thinking what they would use the word evangelism. I thought, how am I going to use that word? But when I looked at my concordance, that word was nowhere in the Bible. So I thought, what are we doing here? And so then I finally realized that if I believe that God determined the exact places where we should live, you refer to that Act 17 earlier talking about God doesn't live in buildings, but it also says in the exact places and the exact time, and he did this so that men would reach out for him and

seek him, I thought, what about just the people I come in contact with every day on my normal day? And that's kind of been the mantra that I've been living by for... I think that's been our, yeah, just our lifestyle is what we grew up with. Ryan, tell our audience how One Kingdom is partnering with Larry and what we're doing. Yeah, so we partnered with Larry, you know, I don't know how many years ago. We are actually driven to Athens through one of the former guests on this podcast, Gary Witherall, which so many of you on the Shame Nation heard his story. He led us into working with Athens, and that led us to a meeting with Larry.

And, you know, Larry's not going to talk about it too much because he doesn't want to get, he doesn't want any of the credit, which he won't receive. God's going to get all the glory. But Larry and his team went to Athens, and they are meeting these refugees. They're meeting them with physical needs first, clothing, medical food on the front end. But then they're meeting them with the gospel. And that's the coolest thing to me. One of the coolest stories is you hear some of these guys that say they don't want to hear the gospel.

This is against everything in their core is to hear that Jesus is Lord. it almost goes against their identity. No, it didn't almost go against their identity. It goes diametrically opposed to their identity. And some of them were angry to hear some of them speak that they were upset to hear it. But then there's something about the power of the gospel that it just stuck in their crawl and they had to learn more. And I know we're shorter on time, but there, so one kingdom partnered with Larry and their team to help. fund this mission, but also what we wanted to focus on was getting the gospel back into the Middle East.

Yeah. And there's a team there, and for their protection, we don't want to mention any names today. But they are so passionate about this. They're not just teaching the refugees there. They've said, you know what? We're going to get on YouTube, on our Facebook live, and we're going to send the gospel back to our home countries because it's not safe for them to go back. Right. It's a death sentence to go back.

but they are getting the gospel into these unreached areas, and that's something that we're passionate about at One Kingdom. Yeah, and, I mean, they're doing exactly what you're doing, Phil, with the podcast, and you guys, it's just, I mean, they are, they're reaching hundreds of thousands through about five different media platforms and then also satellite, because Iran is internet dark. A lot of people don't know that. It's kind of like North Korea.

It's just you can't get a lot of the things that we get. satellite actually gets in there. And they're leading two, three, four, five people to Christ in Iran, in Afghanistan. I was teaching on Lesbo, Seidel. That's daily. Daily. I'm getting daily updates of people being led to Christ through this ministry in their home countries of Iran and Iraq, Afghanistan.

And so it's just, and the pandemic has accelerated that. It's just like, you know, put gas on a fire. It's just going crazy. but I'm teaching on at Lesbos Island, which is right next to the Turkish coast one time. This guy walks up to me, and he said, I know you. And I said, well, you just got here. You just came from Istanbul, you know. And I hadn't been here long.

We've never met. And he said, no, I saw you on the video in Afghanistan. And I'm like, oh, they're on to me, you know. So, yeah, it's what God is doing. In our last five minutes, I wanted to ask you. you, I thought you made a really good point because I'd like to leave the people when Ryan said, you know, for some reason

the gospel appeals to them. And some of those details yesterday, I thought when you talked about the role of the evil one compared to us and then from God's perspective that it was really good

based on what Roman 7 is saying. So give us the thumbnail of that. Because a couple of statements you made were quite profound about the evil ones' role, but I think you were right on target. Okay. Wow, the thumbnail of that. Okay, I think the point that I think you're talking about was that Roman 7, 7 through 13, is set solidly in the past tense. And then when 14 through 25, I think Phil's looking at this right now.

There's a dramatic shift that goes into the present tense. And people that make the argument that Paul's not talking about himself here, he uses the words, I, me, and my almost 40 times in 12 verses. He's talking about that. And so at the end of all that, I think I made the point, how many times did you see Paul blame Satan for his problems in those 12 verses. Zero.

And I made the point that in the entire book of Romans, Paul never even mentions Satan, except at the very end after, you know, hi, Priscilla, Quilla, Rufus, all the names we can't pronounce. And he says, Satan will soon be, the Lord will crush Satan under your feet soon. But not yet.

And that's where I got into that already, but not yet. And here's the whole, the takeaway from that is that Satan has been defeated. He has been rendered powerless, but he has not yet been destroyed. You know the truth, the truth that set you free from number one. Right. Sin. Okay.

Guilt. Right. Law. Right. And the grade. That's pretty well game set match. It is. And so, I mean, I made the point as well.

you know, Jason, that the only power Satan has over you, if you are in Christ, is the power you give him. He has, you have to give him access to our minds, to our hearts, our thoughts, even our physical bodies. It's why don't offer your instruments or your body as instruments of death, you know. Resist him and what? He'll flee from you. Love your neighbor and do what's right. Exactly. How deep could it be?

Yeah. So, I mean, Satan is not your problem. He can be a problem, but he's not the problem. Sin is the problem. And Paul says, no, this is all me. I own every bit of this, every bit of it. And thanks be to God, that the person that is going to save me from this body that is subject to death is Jesus Christ.

And so I'm going to wait. I'm going to watch. I'm even 2 Corinthians 5. I'm going to have this thorn in my flesh, which Jesus, I beg in Jesus three times, take this away from me. Crickets chirping, no answer. Third time, Paul, my grace is sufficient for you. My power is made perfect in weakness.

Therefore, I'm going to leave that thorn. right there. And we we praise God all day long for everything that he prevents in our lives the calamity. But will we praise him for what he allows in to make us dependent on him and then leave in place so that we can be humbled and dependent on him? Larry, I wanted you to get that point in. Yeah, because when you read that St. Corinthians 5, you said that, you know, there was a place where our sin met his righteousness and that place was called the cross, which it was

in reference to Roman 7.25. So obviously we have to get Larry back in the future because this is a good, we could go on like this for another podcast, but Larry's got to get on the road and we got to get out of here. I don't normally talk this much, but I'm sitting in Jason's chair and I don't know what's happening to me now. It's like. Yeah, but you got to interrupt a little bit more if you really want to capture the thing. It's the seat, Larry. It's the seed. It's not me. It's the seat. I believe. I'm a believer. I'm a believer.

So as we close out, if you want to learn more about Larry, you can go to Onekingdom.org. There's information there. They'll tell you about his work and everything he's doing. And we appreciate you, Larry. Thank you for preaching. So I want to thank our friends here. Love you too. At Peninsula, Anthony and the boys have allowed us to set up in here in our own room. So I'm going to, I may destroy everything when I do this, but as we close, I'm going to turn this computer around. And hopefully you'll get a look at where we'll be playing later today. All right. Keep going. So there it is.

That's just fantastic. Jase will be hitting the ball over in that water. And I'll be taking some of that money. Might be some frogs in there too, Jason. I've already looked. and yeah all right thank you guys

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