Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 304 | Phil Is Inducted into the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame & Jase's Unlikely Baptism Dream

Episode Date: July 2, 2021

Phil feels unworthy of induction into the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame, but Al sees plenty of reasons Phil deserves the honor. Jase and Phil discuss why Jesus should be the rock in your life. Jase explains how churches alienate people on the edge of believing and what they can do to fix that. Al exposes the lies told to young girls in women’s health clinics. And Jase has a dream about baptizing a girl and wakes up to discover Mia doing something unexpected. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So we want to, of course, wish everybody a happy Fourth of July. It's our nation's Independence Day. It's very important. It's a great reminder of Americans coming together, and especially in a time of division, as there has been. I think we need to be unified and thinking about that. Obviously, our message from Romans is a message of unity. So we won't be having a show on the Fourth of July,

and we just want you guys to have a great holiday. I am unashamed. What about you? So we're back, Jace, at our, I call it our southern home away from home. When we're down here at the beach, we come to Peninsula Golf Course. They have three different nine whole courses here, which are fantastic. It's a little noisy. It's a little noisy.

We got some golfers that are in the room behind us. If you hear a little bit of chatter back there, just that's golfers eating lunch. But I'm sitting here watching the number one T-box. Yeah, number one Mars right in front of it. And I'm feeling way better about my golf game because I'm watching these people. Because we're right behind where they're driving, you know. And what I've noticed is some of these guys and gals, they get up there and they're taking way too long before they hit the ball. And I once said that when you don't know what you're doing, let's do it quickly.

That's right. Look, here's my philosophy, because I'm not a very good golfer. but I always say you can be a bad golfer just do it fast you know so you can get out of the way and then the other thing is golf is a game that's played forward not backwards I see all the time you start to see a car coming backwards I mean no no it's the other way don't don't come back it's one way we're all going that away and so so do it quickly and stay moving in one direction that's what I'm noticing is this the course on some holes it's a little tight and the pressure with being in front of people,

you get up there and you just don't want to pull the trigger. Because I saw his last guy, I'm telling you, he walked up to the ball a couple times, he did some stretching, he set up, he did a waggle.

I thought he was going to go, no, I mean, we just, and the more this went on, I started feeling nervous, and I'm not even out there. I'm just looking at the way. I'm behind the room.

And after all that, he just duck hooked it in the pond and I thought you could have saved us all about five minutes and kept your well here's what's funny so this guy because there's nobody out there he thinks but since we're watching him and now talking about on the podcast literally millions of people are going to know what we don't know his name of course we just millions of people now know this guy how long he took and then he hit the ball in the water so so part of the let me get to us right right, since I'm not a participant in your proceedings. So part of this is just having fun watching others butcher, butcher the golf course.

Phil, that's about 40% of life. That's a lot of it, Dad. So my problem, dad, is I am a part of the proceedings and I hadn't played a lot of golf and I'm not great anyway. But we got Jay's who usually turns it on here. Even if he hadn't played much, he's got an affinity for this. place and there's some holes here that he just always seems to rise the occasion you got jepico who's coming in your youngest son uh and he's he's been playing a lot of golf through his new work because

he's doing fundraising so he's doing a lot of golf tournaments so he's been playing a lot and jepico when he gets it going he's got he i've always thought he had the prettiest swing of the boys and then we got jays's boys reading cole and they're kind of hot and cold but when they get on a roll them boys can play some serious golf so you kind of got to got four decent golfers and one thumb that's going to be part of this. But I'm like an old copperhead snake there. You got to watch it because I'll just lay there like and a lot of people will step over me. But about every once in a while I'll strike, you know.

So me down here on the river surviving and stone doing the cooking, I'm not missing that much. Would you agree to that? No, well, you're not missing anything that you would enjoy. That's for sure. Well, you're missing just the camaraderie. I mean, this place, the reason I have a special place, I'll tell, I don't, I'm not sure you're aware of this, but I'll share one of my secrets about this place. This may help me.

So the first time I played this place, I was on 18, and I noticed that there's a jungle right, right beside 18. And I thought, I want to go down here and check out this pond for any frogs or fish. I may want to revisit this at some point in my life. And so I eased down and they have these, what of those things called? Not cat tails, but it's like kind of that sawgrass feel with the little points on it. And so I eased between two of them,

and I was checking out the pine. And I looked over to my right, and I have unknowingly snuck up on about a six-foot alligator that's just right there. of course he just and you know how they bolt well when he bolted my life flashed in front of my face but he was going the other way but it was just such an explosion of power and i thought well i could have died right there down here doing what i should not be doing is checking out a pond where you're not supposed to go and so i guess it made me feel like i had a second chance

so i did notice i did notice that y'all were wise enough to bring the cooks some good cooks with you your mother lisa so they're they're providing the meals right these are our wives and i will say this dad to your point we you know stone has has developed into quite the smoker and griller of meats. Tell me about it. I woke up yesterday morning and he rolled in there about dinner time and we had fajitas for dinner. We had rib-eye steaks for supper and stones out, bush hogging the premises, getting ready to plant the duck food and all that.

But he's like a chef that's come on board and all I do, he tells me when it's ready, I walk in there. and I think he has Tendalorn coming up here in about an hour so, you know, life's pretty good. Life's pretty good away from the beach. I'm curious. I'm curious.

What did he tell you on why he didn't come or what's he saying on the positive? Because we lost him to you. So why did he tell you he didn't come down here and instead went to spin? Because of his, the breaking of a rib, he said he just didn't have it in him to go that far or travel that far and and golf was out

so he just said he he's on the energy on the what you call it disabled disabled list he's disabled not able to well funny story is your wife my mom this morning she said I have to show you something which is why I was late to this and I was like care I got to go she like no, she said, I literally think I'm going crazy. And I said, well, are you just now realizing that?

Not a newsflash. And she said, come look at my bag. And she opened her bag and it was filled with fishing lures. And she said, I don't remember putting those in there. I said, well, it's because Jay Stone put those in there for me. And she said, but he didn't tell me. Why wouldn't he tell me? I was like, because that was irrelevant. We just needed it. He knew you were coming. So we had a, we had a good laugh. But what I was going to say about Jay is that he's called me about every three or four hours since I've been here besides when I was asleep last night. So I thought, now he can say, oh yeah, I don't want to, it's too hot. But I can tell. Why does he keep calling me? Because I think he misses it. Well, it was, it was funny, Dad, because we got down here. And the first thing,

Everybody was like, Jeff was disappointed because Jay wasn't coming. Cole was disappointed because Jay wasn't coming because, you know, Stone's turned into the life of the party down here, which is kind of funny. He's funny. Well, he is funny, yeah. But so you gained him because of his unable to perform. Normally he would have been cooking all that for us. And so, Dad, you got a personal chef this week for your week of being away from the family.

So you got a pretty good deal. That's right. He volunteered to be the cook on the premises. I trained him. So he's coming along. So we don't have him this year. We don't have Willie. This is the second year in a row for Willie,

but he's gotten too big for us now, Dad. He's out in L.A. somewhere. Oh, yeah. You know, he's moved on. He's a big star. He's developing something. So I don't know if we'll ever get him back. Do you think, Jason, we'll ever get him back?

He's a big shot now. Well, so you all know, since we're a Bible, people, I took to heart, Paul's little exposition to the, So Thessalonians make it your ambition to live a quiet life, mind your own business, work with your hands so that your daily life will win the respect of outsiders. So you won't have to be dependent on anybody. That's the zone I'm in at 75 years old there. That's not a bad zone. So I want to mention something.

I know Dad doesn't want me to, but I'm going to do it anyway because it's a big deal to me. this last weekend, we mentioned on the last podcast briefly. And I don't want to belabor the point, but dad was inducted into the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame, which is in Nackadish, Nacch, Louisiana. And it was a big event, it was a big deal, a lot of really other talented, mostly athletes. So most people that are there are people play football, basketball, other sports in Louisiana. And I don't know about you, Dad, but just kind of being there for a couple of days with of those guys was a great experience for me personally because I found everybody was great.

I mean, the people are awesome. You know, there's Sweet Lou Dunbar for the Harlem Globetrotters. He went in, Peanut. What was his name, Dad, a Charles. Wade for Chicago, the Bears, defensive back. Did you ever see the Harlem Globetrotters? Oh, yeah. A lot when I was a kid.

Did you ever see him? Oh, yeah. I mean, that's why I told him. I said, hey, and now he's the coach. and his son was there. They called him a Sweet Lou too, and he's a young guy, and he's now on the team,

and Sweet Lou is coaching. And, you know, they used to call him the clown prince of the globe drivers. He was the one that did all the funny stuff. He is a sweet man, just a, wasn't he dad? I mean, he was just one of the best people.

I kept thinking, these guys deserved the accolades and the recognition, but what I got to me, you know, I learned out of sound like birds, I don't know. I just felt like I was not quite worthy, not quite worthy of the award.

But it wasn't my idea. So they thought it was worthy, but I didn't. But I was happy that they, because I think you're the first outdoorsman. No, there's a couple of others. Gritz Gresham, who was from Nackettish, was a famous outdoorsman who had a show that used to be on Saturdays on ABC. There was Dudley Falk, Al, a duck call maker. And he was recognized. I think he's passed on now, but, but, but you're, you're right.

75 seemed sort of young, uh, to be with those guys. But, uh, I was, uh, they deserved it. Well, there was a guy there. He was the oldest guy ever inducted. He was 94. And it was, you know, it was, it was Mackey Freeze, who was a great guy. Great guy. He, his, you know, Richwood Stadium is called Mackie Freeze Stadium.

He won four straight state championships there in the 60s, and he won, what was it at, 56 games in a row? And they didn't even have a football field when they hired him. And somehow another, he said people donated land and all the way down to shoulder pads. But it was pretty interesting to hear the story how people can come together for a good cause, athletics in this particular situation to come together. I thought the same thing, Dad. It was in the 60s. We were still segregated.

And yet he was mentioning all those high schools that donated to shoulder pads and ultimately led to them getting a football field. And I thought, you know, that's where it's at. I mean, and that's the good thing about sports is a lot of times it unifies rather than divides. Plus, that whole event, Al, there was at no time with anything for a day and a half, a day, a day, a night, and the next day. I saw no, no, any sign of friction or division at all. I mean, it was a family atmosphere among people of color and everybody together.

It was just a good thing to see that. Well, and that's why I just wanted to thank the guys that nominated Dad. And obviously it brings the outdoor, you know, we're called Sportsman's Paradise. So a lot of people hunting fish. And dad is a great representative of that. And I will say this, when everybody, was telling their stories and stuff like that. When dad ran through his duck calls at a luncheon with all the guys there,

Tim Brando went in too, remember that one announcer? And when dad went through those duck calls, they were mesmerized because a lot of those guys are, you know, they've never heard a duck call before. So dad held his own. He did really good. So I'm proud of your dad. I thought it was great. I know you don't like the honor of it, but I think you are worthy of it because of what

you've done. So let's take a break. So anyway, it was fun. And Phyllis got to go with us because mom was out of the lineup because of recovering from the bobo bite. So Phil's got to go. Well, I did give him my take on it. Love God. Loves your neighbor.

And live Louisiana. It's a great way to roll. And you know, he said that, Jays. And the lieutenant governor who's in charge of tourism in our state, he literally jumped out of his chair and ran up to dad as dad was coming off the stage. And he was like, would you say that again, Mr. Fields? he said it again. I think Dad has started a new campaign for Louisiana tourism. I live Louisiana, you know.

It is a great place, a great place to live. I always think, Jay, Louisiana. It's great unless it's July and August. Then it's a little difficult weather-wise, but the rest of it's good. I've jokingly said that it's a place not fit for human habitation for most of the year. but yet we live there and we love it. I'd just say a couple months. Yeah, it was pretty good.

Those two months are rough. I actually had a at the hall, which, by the way, if you're in Louisiana, you need, if you're a go to Nacchish, like go there for the Christmas lights or whatever, you need to check out the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame. It's an amazing, I mean, like, I was stunned. There was something that awesome in Louisiana, to be honest with you. But it was really, really good. You're saying the museum.

You're referring to the museum. Yeah. Right, correct. It was incredible. wasn't it that he really was really top-notch and and all that and it's really got a lot of cool stuff in there so if you're like into louisiana stuff i think the perfect segue is that sports does seem to bring people together and the point of romans in the section we're at was god bringing people together precisely precise good point based on where they're from what time

they were here as far as the written law their skill set or lack thereof the skill sets i mean the whole point of what we read up until this point is that god is righteous and we're not and we all are different yet we're the same in that we have a sin problem a physical death problem and ultimately god cured those problems but it's just hard for humans to come together even if we do agree about Jesus and who he is, it's just hard for people. Well, you know, come to get. That Romans, too, comes to mind.

God does not show favoritism. Jew or Gentile. It's a great, great book. Well, you know, Dad, you remember when you said at the, you said at that luncheon, you said everybody has value. And everybody has something, some skill, even if it's not a lot of skill or a little skill something. And you made that point that we all have value to one another and to God.

And, you know, it was a great thought, I thought. And, you know, there was a, right after you was that Charles Tillman who played for the Bears. And he played at ULL, or UL, as they say now. And he took off on your point and he loved it. I mean, like, he made a big point about that. And then he even mentioned it again at his acceptance talk at the main thing. night. And he said it a couple of times. So, you know, that really struck a nerve with him. And then he told about his kid and how his kid had to have a heart transplant, but their faith is what, you know,

ultimately led him through getting through that. And I just, you know, why, and he's a, he's a young African-American guy, you know, great athlete. And just watching that unfold, I just thought, you know, when, again, y'all were unified in Christ, but even in the idea of there's really a simple thing about recognizing the value of other people. And trying to encourage. And trying to encourage, them to be the best they can be. You know, I mean, it was so simple. But I watched it play out. Didn't you think the same thing with him? Everybody, according to the book of Romans, is worth the blood of Jesus. And God does not show favoritism. I like it. So we've been in, we kind of left off. The last time we were in Romans 9, we had Gary Glenn with us, who did a great job, I thought,

really just kind of bringing some context to that whole idea, which, I thought was really good. And the idea was ultimately that we said, look, you're not able to do this without Jesus. And the Jews didn't understand the purpose of their election, which was to bring Christ to everybody. You know, they just, they were, they missed it. They missed it, you know, because they looked at it as an inward thing that Jesus was, the Messiah was only supposed to be for them. And, of course, Paul makes that point all throughout, he uses all those different illustrations

that we talked about in Romans chapter 9, whether it was Pharaoh or, you know, Jacob and Isaac and all the different ones that we looked at and talked about. So I thought that was rich. And a lot of times people misunderstand Paul's point in Romans 9, 10, and 11, and that is how anguished he was that they were missing it. And I think personally it was so strong as because Paul missed it so, as Trump would say, so bigly himself because he was the chief zealot for missing Jesus until finally Jesus just struck him down and said hey you know who do you think you're persecuting and

it's me and so he had the porch he made uh we didn't make it last time we had roma's nine but but when he starts talking about the the prophets and the gentiles being with the jews and being saved it will happen that in the very place where it was said to them you You are not my people. They will be called sons of the living God. Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, though the number of the Israelites be like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved. They just, as a group, rejected Jesus.

For the Lord to carry out his sentence on earth with speed and finality. and this earth-shattering text from Isaiah, it is just as Isaiah said previously, unless the Lord Almighty had left us descendants, thank God that for Abraham and the few Jews that believed, including the Apostle Paul, went down kicking and screaming, unless the Lord Almighty left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom and we would have been like Gamara.

That's pretty amazing. You know what I mean? saying so the people the remnants of the Jews who said we still have them the messianic Jews they're still here but the Jews as a people as a people Israel for the most part out most of them say nope to this day and that's unfortunate it is unfortunate and that was how Paul's whole point is that, you know, it made him heart sick that they had, you know, missed this whole idea. But I do like that idea that all throughout the Old Testament. One is there's always a remnant philosophy.

There are going to be those who will be faithful, which that was the whole point with Abraham, right? I mean, he predated. And so he set the principle, the promised. And Gary talked about that a lot last time. That's why Isaac was so important in this whole story because of the promise. And the faith can be in tested. Going into Romans, yeah, going into Romans 10, his final words of Roman 90 is, what then shall we say? That the Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness, here they were, without the law, without the temple proceedings, all of that.

They have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith. But Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, have not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. Jesus here, he's speaking of. And it's written, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall. And the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. As a group, they just miss that. So here we are. Well, and that's a great, that's a great point, Dad, and the idea is that the cornerstone, you take a stone.

And so that's that idea we read about all throughout the New Testament that God is building up as like a house or like a, you know, like a structure. Yep. And the cornerstone, which is the most important one because everything goes off of it, that's Jesus. So we understand that. And then it talks about laying a foundation with the apostles and then building, you know, generation after generation. but that same stone, if you don't believe in it, just become something you trip over. It's not your cornerstone.

You don't believe in its purpose. And so it's a great illustration to think about that a stone can be positive or it can be negative. It can be something you strip over and hurt yourself or it can be something that you build a house on. By the way, when it goes into Romans 10, he just recaptors Romans chapter 1 about the message. He said, my heart's desire and prayer to God

is that for the Israelites is that they be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, and here's the key point, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. They just missed Jesus, and then he just simplifies. You don't have to go up to get Jesus to bring him down. He's come down, and you don't have to go down to get him as if to get him out of the grave. I raised him from the dead. Just believe it.

Just believe it. Believe the message. Let's take a quick break. I think his point was also is that they're looking at it from their perspective instead of God's perspective, which is a common theme in Romans.

But Al brought up when Paul said that stumbling stone, you know, Paul did this in other places where he used the idea of that stone or the rock to represent Jesus as the foundation. You remember in 1st Corinthians 10 where he goes in this idea of saying, I don't want you to be ignorant,

that our forefathers were all under the cloud and they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink. So he's given all the positives, but he says, for they drank from the spiritual rock

that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. which what was difficult for him to try to explain to the Israel nation is that Jesus has been here the whole time. Yep. You know, he's just now become flesh. But, you know, he goes back to that story in Exodus 17 where they were, you know, he sent them the quail and the manna. And then the water that came out of the rock. And he's like, that rock was Jesus.

That was the Messiah. Of course, you can imagine I'm sympathizing with them because that would be difficult. to wrap your head around. It's for everybody. What God has done through Jesus is what the book of Romans is about. By the time you get to Romans 10, about verse 11, as the scripture says, everyone, every one who trust in him will never be put to shame. And here's one of his concluding points of chapter 10 toward the end, for there is no difference, no difference between Jew and Gentile, the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who called on him. For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord be say, it's for everybody.

The Jews just had a hard time with heath and Gentiles being grafted in to them, with them, under one head. They just had a pretty good problem with that. Well, it's no different from other people having a problem because people are different colors or different social status or they just they tend to go where there's like-minded thoughts and just make a name for themselves it kind of goes back to that tower of babble where people just wanted to make a name for themselves but you know it's interesting jose you brought that point up in first anthians that paul uses about the rock and the water that came out of it he doesn't mention

there in that text but if you go back and read what happened when that happened actually that same rock that brought forth that water of life, it was a stumbling point for Moses because he didn't give God the credit. He took the credit for what, because he got so Matthew Israel, he said, I brought you forth, I brought forth water out of that rock. He took the credit instead of giving the glory to God. And because of that, it was a stumbling place for Moses. And God even told him, he said, because of that, you're not going to go into the promised land. I'm not going to give you that. What we do. even today.

He makes the argument throughout the book of Romans. He makes the argument of Romans chapter 1,16, not ashamed of the gospel. You get to Romans 2. He brings it up again. The ones who reject the truth, follow evil, with every wrath and anger,

there will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew and then for the Gentile. But glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. God does not show favoritism, but it's a tough sale, Lyle. It was a tough sale 2,000 years ago, and it remains so.

Everybody together. We've mentioned this before, because he makes the point again in most of the rest of chapter 10, that he kind of revisits this idea of trying to do it by works. Yep. And the sad thing is what we've watched over 2,000 years, through Gentiles and everybody else in the world, that people still try to revert back to a law of works. I mean, to put themselves back under the very thing he said he freed you from.

I mean, to me, it's one of the biggest problems with the... Christianity has turned out to be one of the most divisive things that has ever come along, and it's sad. I've heard people get up, preachers, preach sermons, and they preach Jesus. They talk about the cross. they talk about the resurrection, and then when they get to the invitation,

they're like, if you work hard enough and long enough, you might make it. I'm like, what happened to this? There's now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. I mean, he makes the same point here because that last verse in chapter 9,

he indirect, or I guess directly, but he didn't, you know, make a point about it. But when you tie that into Romans 116 where it says we're not ashamed, he turns it around from God's perspective again and says the one who trust in him will never be put to shame. I mean, the fact that he's not ashamed of us despite our sins and he proved that on the cross is our motivation to accept everyone from every tribe language in creed and unite at the cross, which goes back to that Larry Bowles point, which I thought was a good one.

When he read that 2nd Corinthians 5, Jesus who had no sin became sin for us so that in him we might become the righteousness from God. And he had that point to where it all happened on the cross. His righteousness and our sin intersected. Intersected right there, which in a cross is the intersection. I mean, it's a great point because then he got into chapter 10 and he, got into this, you can do it yourself, wrong. Because verse three says, since they didn't know the righteousness that comes from God

and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. And then he has this profound statement, which should be enough for all people who think that they can do it on their own. He says, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. That ought to cover it. I mean, that's a pretty, how could he be any more clear?

If you're trying to take some kind of rule-based system and make it to where you're worthy of that because you've got all the details figured out, Christ is the end of the law. That system is. You know what they say, and they'll say, so there it is, and here's our creed. I'm like, no, no creed needed.

They go right in, add on let's take another break i've said this before i don't like it when these churches put what they believe in such detail on on the internet it's like a book that goes along with the bible and i'm like just put we believe in jesus or we believe jesus is the son of god or we believe in god jesus and the holy spirit i mean that that's enough for me why not just put if you declare with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. That's good enough for me. That's a pretty good one.

Let's start there. Let's all agree there. He's a hadn't in plain sight. Yeah, they're like, well, wait a minute. What about the rest? If you don't start there, the rest of it's going to crumble, which is why he is the cornerstone. And I love what he said in verse 11. He said, as scripture says, anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.

and you know there's so much the idea of shaming and not being good enough and you know messing up and falling short and and look I've done things in my life I should be ashamed of and still do but in Jesus he said there is no shame he takes that he takes the guilt of it he takes the shame of it Lisa talks a lot about obviously about pro-life because she had an abortion when she was 16 years old and she says that when she was in that clinic and she describes it and it's just so I mean you can hear a pin drop when she's describing because most people hadn't been in one of those places but she has and she said one of the things that they one of the three lies they told her when she was in there was that you'll never have you'll never think about this again you know once you leave this clinic you know that's all behind you and you know just go forward and have your life and she's you know she says I've thought about it for 38 years but she said but when I was 35 years old and I finally submitted to Christ and he became my Lord, the shame of that went away along with everything else I'd ever rotten thing I'd ever done. And so that's the beauty of what can do. We can still talk about it to try to keep young women from making a bad choice. But the shame is

away when we're in Christ. I mean, that's what I love. I mean, you don't, I mean, he repeats himself. He says in chapter nine, the last section, the one he quotes Isaiah, the one he trusts in him whenever he put to shame. Then when he gets to 10, after these two famous verses that most people use at altar calls, which really wasn't his point. His point was that Jews and Gentiles,

no matter what they've done, can be saved in Jesus. Let's start there. And then he says the same thing. Look at 10, 11. As the scripture says, anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.

Right. So you think about what shame does to people in their own. lives and you think the shame that we have for other people they're both different yet equally disastrous to relationships right exactly because you can't go back and make it right we do shameful things and then we experience the shame we have to deal with that and that's why jesus is sitting there saying i i took that shame so that all people can rally around me no matter what degree it is we

which kind of takes us back to that Roman seven discussion we have with Larry Bowles. And then when we talked about as well, you know, Paul gives you the idea of that wrestling match with those things. I mean, the old way of trying to come back into your life. And then at the end of the Texas, at the end of the day for us, but thanks be to God, you know, who delivers us, you know, from that very thing that we wrestle with, you know, inside. Well, I like verse when he gets to 12, he says, for there is no. difference between Jew and Gentile. Yeah. That statement alone should be the most controversial thing ever, maybe that he said.

Because people are like, no. I mean, let's just take that verse and say, let's live by that every day. Yeah. That there's no difference. The same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him for everyone who because on the name of the Lord will be saved. Then I think he introduces the idea about you being different and God giving you the ability to share Jesus,

which is a big struggle. I mean, I think everyone goes through that because we're not worthy, we're shameful, but yet God chose us to reveal to other people that Jesus is Lord, and then we can join in this, together. That's why he said faith comes through the hearing the message, but how can they hear unless someone is sent? Which I think you're talking about himself mostly. But we have that same issue now. Because what do most people do when you try to share Jesus? They're like, well, who do you think

you are? Right. Or you think you're better than me? How many times have you heard that? Many times. You don't make mistakes. You're not even from the same place I'm from. I mean, that's the attack always happens that way. Well, we were saying, Dad, you know, your point about everybody has worth and everybody has some sort of talent or skill set. But, you know, also everybody has a story, their story. And they're all different. I mean, everybody has a different way of looking at life. Maybe you had a good at bringing. Maybe you had a terrible at bringing. Maybe you had all these different factors that are there. But ultimately, your story matters if the story of Jesus impacts it, intersects it, and changes it. Because we're talking about that intersection

point a minute ago, Jay's that's what changes us. finally the story of who we are then becomes his story in us. That changes the whole game, you know, for any of us. Everybody sins and everybody dies physically. And you say, Jesus solved them both on the cross and at the resurrection. It's that simple. Just believe it and move forward. We baptized five yesterday who got it.

They came from various states. But I just told them what we're talking about right now. And they moved on it on the spot. And that's the thing. I mean, we all have that capacity to be able to do that no matter where you come from or where you start or where you finish. You know, you want Jesus to be a part of that. Let's take one last break. You know, I woke up this morning and I mean, I woke up at six. Mainly because you go fishing on the beach? No, I actually studied my Bible. Oh, okay. Well, good. I was in prep for this once I've determined what day it was. but when I walked out, I was shocked that this girl, a friend of Jeff's daughter, and my daughter,

they were gathered around the table. I mean, it's 6 o'clock in the morning, and they were studying their Bible. That's awesome. And I thought, now this is something to wake up to. I mean, things are looking up. But what's weird is it made me, I was thinking, I had a dream the night before, which this is kind of crazy. But we were trying to baptize this girl, because I didn't know who this girl was the friend.

And I didn't even know, you know, is she a believer? I mean, I assume she was because she's running around with Jeff's daughters. But we were trying to baptize her, and the water kept falling. Like every time we'd fix to do it, the water would leave. And I was like, well, this is weird. We're having some kind of supernatural conflict. So I was looking at the situation and I thought, well, here I was thinking. Your baptistery had a plug in a day.

You can't lose your one. Well, we were in a river. Oh, river. The water. Yeah, we were in the river, but the water would just go down. And then it would come back up and we'd go to do it. And I was like, no, we got a time. Maybe there's a timing mechanism.

But I said all that to say this. I think if I can interpret my own dream here. Here we go, Joseph. I was thinking that I need to check this girl out subconsciously. because I'm like, I'm worried about who my daughter is associating with. And when I went out there and met, she's the one leading the Bible study, you know? And I was like, you shouldn't make judgments on other people when you don't know them until you have a conversation. And then you find that commonality that Paul is stressing here because all this was great.

But it just seemed like a weird moment. Well, maybe the Almighty was tenured in this dream that she didn't need the water, son. she's our she's rocking and rolling which was my point I think we try to make it about us and us being able to do something and honestly we can't do anything

I mean God's in control of this situation and I'm just glad to be here a part of being in Jesus. The Apostle Paul being one of the messengers that God sent out they're still being sent out. You could say we're messengers. He said

once the Jews heard about about Jesus. Jesus is coming. Their voice, the messengers, has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. Again, I asked, did Israel not understand? First, Moses said, I'll make you envious, you Jews, by those who are not a nation. That'd be us. I will make, Gentiles, I'll make you angry by a nation that has no understanding. He's not saying a whole lot of about the Gentiles is that they just don't get it. They're out, but I'm going to graft them in. I was found by those who did not seek me, the Gentiles.

I reveal myself to those who did not ask for me. That's the Gentiles. I'm speaking as a redneck here, Redneck Gentile. But concerning Israel, he says, all day long, I've held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people. So I look at that as a Gentile, and I feel like, Al, we were saved the old redneck saying by the skin of our teeth. You know what I'm saying? I'm thankful for that.

That he had mercy on a wheel. Most of our audience are Gentiles, and I'm telling them we are most fortunate to have been able to be grafted in with the Jews under Jesus. and I mean, it's He's going to make that point in the next chapter That's where he's going Because he's not going to look Don't you get puffed up and think that now You know, you can be anti-Semitic and anti-Jewish

Because he's a hold of on there So you got to remember that You know, what's interesting dad is that he made all those Those verses that you were reading there In 16 and following Those were all made by prophets way back That's right You know hundreds

sometimes even thousands of years earlier. That's why I was saying they didn't have any excuse. I mean, you see what I'm saying? Yeah, because he had been pointing this way the entire time. And for some of our new members, you know, I looked up Gentile definition because it's not a word we use anymore unless you're reading the Bible. But if you read the definition just from the worldly perspective, it says a person who is not Jewish.

And when you look at the Greek, Yeah. When you look at the Greek definition of it comes from a Hebrew term goi. It just means a nation, any nation, that's not Israel. That's it. I mean, because a lot of people think, what, what am I now? I'm a Gentile. I didn't even know it. But that's the way the Bible writers refer to since Israel was God's chosen nation. well, every other nation became a Gentile.

But when you read that he, there is no difference in that Romans 10, 12, it is a profound verse. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile. That is a point blank statement about. That was a tough thing for the Jewish people to grab a hole of. Well, think about the irony of it though, Dad. So most of the Bible, I mean, there's a few exceptions. but for most of the Bible, all the Bible authors were all Jewish. And yet the whole storyline becomes about not just them,

but the whole world having the opportunity for salvation. So just the way God did that, I mean, it's pretty incredible that there's very few Gentiles that actually wrote anything that's in the Bible. But, you know, there's no difference in, you know, a Caucasian American and an African American. There's no different. You could go down this, this red, And Paul did. Male, female, slave or free, you know, all the different.

That's why I get a lot of flak sometimes because I'm like, I feel like the world I agree with them, where they have a month for every group of people that, you know, they say. Trying to recognize. Yeah, recognize. But I'm like, well, I understand what you're trying to do. But because we're trying to get to the same place because there's something we won't recognize these people. Because in the past, they may have been overlooked or looked at viewed as being lesser. but at the same time, the common goal is we need to look at people and say there's no difference.

That's right. You have to do that. In fact, when you get to chapter 11, one of the Gentiles' mindset would be, well, branches were broken off so I could be grafted in. Granted, but they were broken off because of unbelief, and you, Gentiles, stand by faith. to you Gentiles, do not be arrogant, like you said, Al, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. So you look at that, you say, don't be hearty about it as a Gentile who was grafted in because you're there.

You're going into the Jewish tree, not the other way around. The root, the root supports you. So what I'm saying? Yeah, which we'll get into. I want to close with the only passage really in Romanstein we didn't read, but it's such a good one that I felt like I need to read it in 14 and 15 because it really shows you the importance of everything we've been talking about today and read throughout the whole book.

Paul said when he mentioned about this, everyone who calls the name of the Lord will be saved, he said in verse 14, how then can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of the one of the one of, of whom they have not heard, and how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can anyone preach unless they're sent? As is written, how beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news, which I thought was

really powerful. So I just love the idea that you see the roles laid out, and everybody is different in their role. Some person may be the deliverer, you know, the sender. Some person may be the mouthpiece. Some person may be the one who walks along the side. We all have a different way of being a part of this process. of getting the good news out.

But then he says in 17, but faith comes through hearing the message, which I think it's hard because a lot of people tend to look at the messenger, which us being the messengers and think, oh, look what I'm, look what I've done, or look what or how many I brought to the Lord. But the more you do this,

you realize the message, which goes back to Jesus, because it says, and the message is heard through the Word of Christ, gets way bigger than you, the messenger, which is why he said, we're like a jar of clay. Right. That's something John the Baptist figured out when he said, Jesus must become greater and I've become less because he was pointing people to Jesus.

So by the way, Al, make it a habit to keep bringing old Jace down there with you. Because when Jace is stuck down there in Florida, I'm looking around at the table, I'm by myself, I'm able to talk more when he's down there and I'm up here. When he's up here, I can't get anywhere at edgewise. When he's down there, at least I'd hit a few licks. Go ahead and just tell us how you feel, Hill. All we needed was to get him in another state to just tone him down a little bit. Dad made it funny.

I thought it was hilarious. Well, I tell you what we're fishing to do, Dad. So you're fishing to go eat tenderloin. Me and Jay's are fixing to go out. there we're going to chase a white ball around for about the next four hours so that's what we're going to be doing just so you'll know have a man for himself have a man for himself thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast help us out by rating us on iTunes and don't miss an episode by subscribing on youtube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes and for even more

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