Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 307 | Phil’s Answer to Anyone Who Thinks the Declaration of Independence & Bible Aren’t Connected

Episode Date: July 9, 2021

Phil and Jase zero in on the true meaning of freedom. Jase discusses the origin of the red Solo cup and why it’s a staple at many events. Al talks about why the Revolutionary War was different from all other wars and how biblical principles were applied to the Constitution. Jase addresses the mistakes we’ve made in our country’s history and what they mean to us as a nation. And Phil talks about all the nations that have failed due to divisiveness. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we talked about what dad did yesterday on the last podcast at WFR. Mike and I preached together. But we had a really interesting day. So, Jay, you and Missy were in our instrumental service. Yeah, we were with the fired up Christian. It's a little more exciting over there. I guess the older I get, the more passionate I've become.

I like. There's a lot of people there that have been had drastic transformations at the hands of Jesus and his spirit. And it reminds me of that passage that he who has been forgiven much will love much. We'll love much. And I like the raucous crowds at this stage. And you're right. A lot of them are folks that have overcome addiction. and a lot of other issues because we have a really hard

sober recovery at WFR. And then there's a lot of, you know, college students and young people in there too, which makes it pretty exciting. So despite the, the room that you're in, that our people are like being a little more organized. And amen.

Over where I was, they were clapping and shouting. Was that during? Oh, yeah. See, we beam it in there. You know, they're just watching us on a screen. but you know it's amazing now the way this works with technology these screens now I mean like because I was going to switch back and forth you know because I thought well I don't want them to never get a live version in the in the room but you know Ryan and I talked about I came back over and spoke one time he said out to be honest with it there's no difference whether you're on the screen or whether you're here in person oh I agree and so I was I was like well that's you know that's a plus for technology plus you got all our live stream watchers and I met a lot of people yesterday that were in town visiting they watch them

watch from all over the country. They watch our online service every week. And some of them are members of other churches, but they just love it. And so they come to visit because they want to experience it in person, which is really kind of interesting. So we had a, our scripture reader is the little girl named Ethnic Tonnages. And her parents are amazing, the transformation that when they first got here, because, you know, Sean's or dad, he was just a mess of a person.

but he has grown now to one of our main leaders inside of our recovery. He's an incredible person. And his little daughter, Ethne, I think she's about 10. And so we get the little scripture readers up. Jay said it a few weeks ago when he preached. And so I like to interact with them.

Well, this little girl, so the last time she's the second time she read her scripture, she was wearing a hat that said Stanley Steamer on the hat. She's 10 years old. And so I get a little bio from, you know, the children's worship people and about the kid. And so it said on the thing, her ambition in life is she wants to go to work as soon as she gets out of school for Stanley Steamer. That's what she wants to do.

Now, this is a 10-year-old kid. So I found that fascinating for whatever reason. So I kind of interviewed her about why she loves Stanley Steamer so much. So yesterday, that was about a year ago. Yesterday, she gets back up. And I said, now you still, you're not wearing the Stanley Steamer hat this time. Are you still, is that still your own track? That's going to be your.

She said, oh, yeah, yeah. that's what I'm going to do. So I just want to make sure because, you know, I know these people may be competing for your services. But isn't that strange that a 10-year-old kid would just pick a company and say, you know what? I think I want to work for those people, you know, one day. What do they make? I think they clean carpet maybe. Do you know what they do, Des?

I think if I were you in that moment, I would have offered an exhortation to this young girl to think bigger. Are you thinking Stanley Stavar's not a big enough life ambition? I mean, it's not bad. Carpets have to be clean. But when you're 10, aim higher. Y'all should have done that. Well, that was what I was thinking when I was watching this. I thought, forget the sermon.

This is the sermon. Let's have an intervention with a 10-year-old, but that was just me. I'm glad I didn't have that situation because my sermon might have gone off the rails. Which is true. So you said, Double D, Dennis Davenport, did the communion over there. What was his thing?

He did. Well, it was Fourth of July, and I do think it's weird. The older I get, I don't, you know, the less I believe in coincidences.

But, uh, because we had, we just celebrated the independence of our country and freedom. And you all made the segue of our freedom in Christ. Yep. Which is kind of what preachers do. Oh, yeah.

A little cheesy. But true. Yeah. Cheesy but true. But when we did our, our, the Lord's Supper, you know, now in our coronavirus culture, they now. It's the post-corona world. They now have the, what is he, rip and sip? What do he call it?

They have this little rip-and-sip. Contraption that has the cracker, Phil, y'all might ought to look into this over. That's what we have. Oh, y'all have that too. Oh, yeah. Well, whoever's making that, they're probably, they probably got a lot of money. Oh, they're doing well. Because now this idea about passing the trays.

And everybody reaching in and breaking off. And you realize some groups, they, some people believe that you've got to participate in one cup. And look, I did some research on this because, you know, I have germaphobe tendencies, which now is embraced by all cultures and all nations. The world finally caught up. to you, Jay's. You and Fauci. Because you know how, you know, we've made songs about the Red Solo Cup. That was a country song not too long ago.

It was all about the Red Solo Cup. Well, I did some research. You heard that song, Dad. Country and Werson. Yeah. I don't remember it. I just remember Red Solo Cup. Red Solo Cup.

So, and I thought, why would you do a song about that? But before that, I think it was in the 30s where that was invented. The reason it's called a Red Solo Cup. cup is because up until that time, they had community cups. So it's like, here, you drink. I mean, as long as I'm first, I'm good. But I'm not sharing a cup in the 1920s with anybody, which still irks my wife. You know, like when we were dating, we almost didn't get married because I had my plate

and she took a fry and reached over, reached over the table. and took her fry and used my ketchup. I said, what are you doing? Well, if you're the one-couper, if you're a one-couper, and you have three towns, and they're 100 miles apart, and you're all saying

you have to drink out of one cup, well, there's three right there. Too many cups. Well, that's what I said. But she said, well, wait a minute, you'll kiss me, but you won't let me use her, you won't let me share your ketchup?

I said, exactly. She said, well, what if we didn't have any ketchup? I said, but we do. So she said, well, you're... I'm shocked she even married you anyway. I mean, the more I think about it is... You're talking about taking a chance. She rolled the dice on you.

I'm getting to my point. She said, you're a germophobe, or whatever you call it. Germaphobe. Germophobe. I said, red solo cups. She said, what? I said, there was a time in our history. where people invented a solo cup.

And I'm not a one-cupper. And so people, there are people, God love them, because they have way more faith than I do, that they just take the Lord's supper. I know this got long, but you tapped in the nerve here that, because I spent years of abuse. Everybody's like, oh, you know,

you don't like to shake people's hands and all this kind of stuff. And now they're looking at, at me for advice and how to how to go through life. Another positive. Germ free. Yeah, germ free. You know, look, I love people.

I just, I don't know where your hands have been. All right, let's just. So the ripping sip is good for you. So he gets up and he does a clever, he came out of Luke 7, and we did it all together. We all stood up because over there, we're a little more grace oriented and I felt more free. Well, it's smaller so you can do more. of things, yeah. And so we participate, which to us symbolically, and, you know, there's several passages about we declare the Lord's death until he comes. That's in First Corinthians. And so we

get together as a body, and we're taking this cracker, which is just a cracker, and you're taking the juice, it's just Jews. But it represents Jesus' his broken body on the cross for our sins and his blood that is God's grace in a way. So we all think back together. There's two things going. You're looking at yourself individually, Jesus on the cross, and you're part of the body of Christ that's doing it together, despite all our differences and all our mistakes and where we're from and what our social class is. We all come together, which I think is a great illustration for what's happening with our nation on July 4th because it's based on the principles,

not necessarily the symbols. That's why we have all these debates about the flag and different things, which they're symbolic, but they're symbolic of principles that we're, one, we the people have come together created by, you know, God with certain innate.

inalienable rights, you know, among these are life. Liberty, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I mean, that's... But you know, it's interesting about Communities, so you, for about, I want to say a thousand years, I mean, all through the Middle Ages, the, it was, it was doctrine in the church, and I say that, you know, kind of in air quotes, the big church, that you had to believe that those elements you mentioned, those symbols, were actually miraculous. turned into flesh and blood as you partook it.

And if you didn't believe that, you got excommunicated, some strung up, you know, back in the Middle Ages, it was a pretty tough deal. If you didn't get on board, I mean, some bad stuff could happen to you. Now we just kind of, you know, fuss. But for a long time. So the idea of communion has been debated out in a lot of different ways and how people take it, how often they take it, you know, all that. Well, I think like the flag is to the nation and these symbols, the crack,

and the Jews, they're symbolic that we need God's grace. I mean, that's the bottom line. I mean, really what's caused all this, all our division and our problems in a country is we're all sinful people. And at one time, the leaders and the founders of our country, guess what? We're sinful people. And mistakes have been made. And so we're trying to move forward together and be unified.

And the same thing happens in Jesus. The difference is we have the greatest origin of grace ever, which is the creative universe given his son, and him being able to do that. But he had a good point to make the nation, the celebration of our independence coming together. And what we have in Christ, he read from Luke 7,

which is the faith of the centurion. I've never thought about it. But it basically says when Jesus had finished saying all this, he had just talked about a tree and its fruit and the wise and foolish builders and love for your enemies. And, I mean, all this good stuff, all these principles that are, that make for a sound society. He says there was a centurion, a centurion servant. And you think, well, what is a centurion? So he was a leader of the Roman army. He had a hundred soldiers.

He had 100 soldiers, which is why it was called Centurion. Well, you would think this would be the last person in the world to approach Jesus. You know, here's a guy, not even a Jew, who's coming up saying, I got a servant. It says, whom his master valued highly, he was sick and about to die. So this centurion war, the man of war for the nation has a servant who's sick. I'm about to die. This centurion heard of Jesus in verse three and sent some elders of the Jews to him, because he had that kind of control.

He's like, hey, go get this Jesus for me, to go and heal his servant. So he had heard about, evidently, the miracles, and this guy has some power. And instead of thinking this is some kind of joke or some kind of hocus pocus magic trick, he has faith and says he loved this and admired this servant so much, his character. Which is, hang on, let's take a break. Which is also, Jason, a little glimpse. Jesus shows us several times that he came for more than just the Jews. Exactly.

Which goes in where we're at in Romans. In Romans 9 through 11, the whole point there is that, hey, this was just not for you, nation of Israel. You were going to become a foundation so that the whole world could be reached. And so we'll get into that, especially on our next podcast. By the way, while you're there, because you just spoke of it a while ago, is not the cup of Thanksgiving, this is First Corinthians 10, for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ altogether worldwide

and is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ worldwide when we remember we're all together because there's one loaf, the body of Christ we who are many are one body for we all partake of the one loaf through faith in our Lord, and it's exactly the same worldwide.

That's pretty impressive when worldwide, they stop and remember the one loaf and the one cup, the blood and the body of Christ that was given to us worldwide. That's pretty powerful for everybody to have the same thought process, no matter where they are, literally at every continent on the, in the world. Yes, it's powerful. I think it's the number one reason why people should meet. Me too.

That's right. Together. Yeah, I agree. And so in verse four of Luke seven, it says when they came to Jesus, so we're talking about the centurion and his servant. Well, these are the elder, the Jews. Oh, yeah, the Jews on his behalf. When they came to Jesus, they pleaded earnestly with him.

This man deserves to have you do this. So evidently, this guy. what was quite the fella. Yeah. Because he loves our nation and has built our synagogue. So they, even the Jews. He was a friendly occupier. Yeah, even the Jews had a lot of respect for this guy.

And so, so Jesus went with him. He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him, Lord, don't trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. I like this. Because here's one of the more powerful people of this time. Just imagine some general or whatever who has all this power and authority and could just make your little hut into rubble. He really could. And he's like, I'm not worthy for you.

Because he knew that this guy is a man of God and Jesus' character preceded himself. And he noticed he addressed him as Adonai Lord. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty amazing. Good point. now. And so verse seven, it says, that is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. Because he's probably what, you know, in his military world, he's probably done a lot of things. Which most people would have thought he was just big time and why I didn't come. He's saying, no, no, I sent people because I'm not worthy to come.

Exactly. That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you, but say the word and my servant will be healed. So now he acknowledges that despite his powerful position, he believes that Jesus has a power that he does not have. And really, when you think about it, I love this idea here because he has the power to kill, the Roman centurion, but he's asking for Jesus' power to heal, which is amazing.

Just a spoken word. Yeah. For I myself am a man under authority with soldiers under me. I tell this one go and he goes, and I tell that one come and he comes. I say to my sir, do this and he does it. So he's describing his power compared to Jesus. When Jesus heard this, and this is what Dennis zeroed in on, he was amazed at him. And he kind of stopped and he said, you know, when the son of God is amazed at a human, just a mere human.

Because that doesn't happen very often. Well, I looked it up. Only twice. Yeah, I was going to say. Only twice in the New Testament. Did Jesus look around and say, Wow. I'm amazed at this guy.

And so he asked a profound question to the audience, which he said, how often do you think Jesus is amazed at you? Of course, it was like a goal. It's not very often. Disappointed by me, maybe, but not amazed. Exactly. It was a good point, though.

Maybe amazingly disappointed. And about you, I've never thought about this. Yeah, I had neither. And turning to the crowd following him, he said, I tell you the, I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel. I mean, he was really impressed with this centurion's heart. So guess what happens? Then the men who had been sent returned to the house and found the servant well. Oh, it's a good, it's a good story. And you see the combination of a person. who had a love for his nation. And it says he built the synagogue. That's how he kind of built it into the segue of July 4th. The kind of person that God is seeking is dealing with is what he's looking for.

That's really interesting. Oh, that's good. That was really good. Because I like things that make you think. Things that make you go. Hmm. And he kind of tied in the principles that make our nation great, which is humility, a dependence on God.

He kind of went to the Declaration of Independence. But also you find in these spiritual qualities, most people in positions of power, especially in the secular world, they're just not seeking Jesus as a means, as a legitimate means to offer anything. You can smell it before you get there. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So, Dad, a few podcasts back, back, we were in Romans 8, and you said something that, I guess it stuck in my brain, and it led to what we, Mike and I preached together, but I kind of put the notes together out of Romans 8. You said that phrase more than conquerors. Yeah. I remember you saying, I mean, think about more than conquer? I mean, how conquer, like in this case, he was a conqueror. Right. But he found something more. That was more than a conqueror, which was a guy, Jesus who lived a humble life, a simple life, but had the power to do things that were the opposite of what he could do, which was heal, bring people together despite our backgrounds.

And look, I mean, we're in Luke 7 here. We're early on in his ministry. And I don't think this story gets enough coverage. Yeah. Because people don't know what to do with it. That movie, that little movie risen is kind of like that. a Roman soldier he said

he was sitting on his horse rode up and had his full attire on and he told him he said hey finish him off and then when they crucified Jesus and the guy picked up a spear and that centaur and I guess

he was a centaur and told him he said get that spear and finish him off so he took that spear came right up underneath the ribcage of Jesus into his heart I mean, they were masters at it. Oh, yeah. He just put that deal.

Of course, this guy sitting on a horse watching him do that. And he said, yeah, I'd have to do it. And we know from the scriptures the water and flowed that. Then he died and they brought him down to threw him in there to put the seal on him. They said, look some of them Jews, you know, they're going to steal the body. Well, what ends up being is that he gets word that somebody has seen this Jesus walking around. you know, three days after he died. Of course, that Roman sent her and said, yeah, I bet.

Yeah. Because he was there to see the spear go in his heart. Right. Which he was already dead, but then he knew he knew there was no doubt. So he said, no, they might be saying they saw him. Trust me, they didn't see him. Right. As it plays out, he finally works around.

Mary Magdalene saw her, said she said some woman down there. They said, find out who it is. He's going around because the old guy. over him said, go down there and stamp this out. Get rid of this. He may be alive. They said, his disciples came and got him. They're trying to put a ruse on us. The Jews are saying, oh, no, somebody stole the body. Nobody saw him. Well, this guy finally barges in there. And here's the disciples, Mary Magdalene, and Jesus sitting there at a table. And he finally finds him after about a week of looking. And he just looks and he has a flashback.

When he looked right at his face, then he looked down, he looked down, he saw them marks. He was sitting there with his hands like that. He saw them marks and right there where that spear went. He just sitting there. He said, good night. So that's how it ends up. But finally he contacts Jesus since now with him, has a few words. And so he winds up being converted.

Becomes a follower. Well, I mean, when you think about Matthew 27, you know, Jesus. Risen is what they call. In verse 50. Hang on, Joe. Let's take a break. In Matthew 2750, Jesus cried out again in a loud voice, and he gave up his spirit. At that moment, the curtain of the temple was torn into from top to bottom.

The earth shook, the rock split. The tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised alive. They came out of the tombs. And after Jesus' resurrection, they went into the holy city and prepared to many, appeared to many people. people. Fifty-four is what I was trying to get at. When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that happened, they were terrified and exclaimed, surely he was the son of God. So even the surrounding things around it, which I had forgotten about that,

I mean, people, even the Roman soldiers. Other dead people, wait a minute, that's old, that's old Sally, she's what, she died 30 years ago. Just said every movie you ever see about the wrong. Romans in this role was always the, you know, they're that mean, nasty. But some of them looked around and said, I believe this is the son of God. Maybe something to this. Well, right. And my point is when you get to Romans 9 through 11, that was the point. Yeah.

What's so weird about God's grace, which I love that statement in Romans 11, where it's like, if you start nullifying certain people from being in based on where they're from or what they've done, well, God's grace is no longer grace. It says grace is not grace. You don't ever want to be hooked up with a group where grace is no longer grace. Yeah. We got it, but you don't. Yeah, that's a dangerous thing.

Which, look, there's a lot of groups out there that, like, we're the only one's going to make it. Yep. And grace is no longer grace. That's right. So, Dad, my lead in to tie in to yesterday being July 4th, because you know, there's a lot of different, I've preached a lot of sermons around holidays. And because everybody's thinking about it, it's a holiday. But my thought process was, is that the American experiment is a good way to put it. Because nothing, no other country has started like we did in the history of the world.

That's right. And what was interesting about it was, so the American Revolution was a war fought, unlike any war that had ever been fought up until that point. Every war that's ever been followed, including the ones you read about in the Bible, were to conquer people, to take land, and to rule over other people. That's why the Romans were in Israel. That's right. That's what they did. By the way, to the empire, all of those empires and fought the wars for that reason. All of them. And moving into the 21st century, we're looking at China, India, the United States, Russia, looking at the remaining ones. But all of them up to now, Al, every one of them has collapsed.

That's right. And someone will take them over. That's right. That's what happened. So my point was that the revolution was fought for an interesting set of circumstances. We fought the Brits who we were Brits. I mean, we came here as colonists to gain freedom. And the idea was we would set up a government that would give the power to the people, not to a monarch and not to someone to rule over. And focused on God. That's exactly right. The God of the Bible.

Exactly. So my point was, I firmly believe the founders, who obviously were, most of them were biblical guys. Yep. the concepts that are in Romans 8 were applied into our Constitution because the idea is freedom is what, and liberty, is what our country is found. I like the idea that America started with the idea of more than conqueror. In other words, we conquered, we kicked the Brits out, but it wasn't so we could just, you know, take more land.

It was so we could provide freedom. And when Jefferson wrote the declaration, where I'm declaring on behalf of others a declaration of independence, we hold these truths to be self-evident. Well, they're only self-evident if you had read your Bible. That's right. You understand what I'm saying?

Exactly. But there was enough people who said, well, good, now. We hold these truths to be said that all men are created equal. He started with over in Genesis. And he just worked it all the way through. We have these rights given to us by God,

life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. Right. I think the problem is, is what happened to the Indians. Oh, yeah. And then you had slavery. And so people are like, well, how can this be right? Which I said, I said post-revolution, we did fight wars to conquer and take land. I mean, so I'm saying we're not perfect.

But the founding idea was the idea. They were based on those principles. And the people, it's taken 200 years. but they eventually are getting it right that you can't base a decision of value based on what color someone's skin is or you can't have these kind of social things going on where people are devalue based on any reason. So now has it taken 250 years? Yeah. But the fact that we had principles based on. on people could rise up and vote people out or, you know, stand up and say, we're not going to take

this. It has worked. Right. It's just taking a very long time. Well, even in the last century, though, and Dad, you and I witnessed it when we were in France, you know, Americans engaged in World War I and World War II, even though those were not on our shores, but we were hit, you know, for Pearl Harbor. But the idea was, is that the idea of freedom was, important enough that thousands and thousands of American GIs would give their blood for it. It's exactly right. And you and I walk through that cemetery where there's 10,000 grave markers. Yep. Jewish stars and crosses.

Yep. That are on that hill. And the only thing America asked for in return from France was that land to bury our dead. Yep. Which is now American soil. That's our territory. That one little bit of bluff you and I walked around. Yep.

And so that's the idea is, but I have a remarked. It was a solemn walk, by the way. Oh, my goodness. It was one of the most powerful experiences of my life. Remember they had them down there, the town and the state, the town. Yep. Some of them had said, known only to God. Yeah.

Yeah, they didn't know who they were. Yeah, they didn't know who they were. 10,000 grays. I hoped that the ones, and I'm thinking in the 40s, we were a different country than we are in the 2020s. Because in the 40s. You think? in the 1980s, I was hitchhiking as a seventh grader, eighth grader, ninth grader.

I'm hitchhiking up and down the road, not worrying about a thing. So most people, I think, far more people, let me put it like that, believed in God. Because to go across what I saw on Omaha Beach, if you didn't believe in God, when you pull up there and hit the bank, you had about, my guess was about 450 yards and the ball open and the bluffs are just chucked full of weapons. That's right. And you're going to try to make it from right here

off this landing craft, 450 yards. Anybody who said that's what we fix and do, I'd have said you would have needed to be a very godly person. That's right. Because you talk about dangerous. It was bad. Oh. I think it gave me the shivers saying,

boy, what if I'd have been in one of those landing crafts? And they said you're going from right here to over there. You better go as fast as you can. I think the problem has been, we've done such great things like that for our world. And then you see hypocrisy in our own country, you know, with devaluing people for whatever reason,

the color of skin, where they're from. But there's always been a quest to me to go back, those principles are right that we we are created equal and those of us who would fight for that and hold that true realize those principles are rooted in what God did through Jesus on a cross it seems like every decade jays someone will rise into power that wants to then change that now the word equality which is a godly principled word and is a great word has now been changed to which is what the current group is pushing, which is tyranny.

It's based on all the things we said we don't want to do. And all the things we came for. So, Dad, it was interesting. I mentioned Benjamin Franklin when he was coming out of the constitutional convention. Someone said, hey, you know, Ben, so what's our country? You know, because you imagine back in those days, what do we have? There are people meeting. They're like, what are we going?

And he said, well, it's a republic if you can keep it. Yep. And so even all those years ago, Franklin was smart enough to know that people don't know how to be free. They're just more comfortable under tyranny, under law. And that's what I've been talking about the whole book of Romans. I mean, the idea is we can't be comfortable with freedom and be more than conquers, which is the whole chapter eight. There's what the whole thing is about.

Because it really comes back down to this spiritual battle of good and evil. That's right. I mean, that's what it comes down to. Which is why Romans 7 is before Romans 8, because Paul lays that out clearly the idea of the internal struggle of the flesh versus the spirit. But then he comes back in verse 1 says, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. And no means no.

Way back in Romans 2. For those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress. for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. That's everybody. But glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile, for God does not show favoritism.

The rest of the book of Romans, that's Romans too. He started with, I'm not ashamed of the gospel, which is the bedrock of being free. It frees you. So he started there, but that line, that point is repeatedly made the rest of the book of Romans. That's what it's all about. And therein lies the struggle. And as we've said on this podcast many times before, you know, Paul's speaking specifically to his fellow Jews a lot in Romans, but we've seen the same sort of reversion in the modern era of the church. is trying to go back under works, back under law, all the things he said you've been freed from,

why do you want to go back? I mean, why don't we do that? I don't know. It's just as a people. Why would we want to go to Marxism? There's a whole group of people now that want us to be Marxist. Why would you want to mock God? First of all, you misunderstand that in the last days, scoffers will come.

I wonder what they're going to be scoffing at. scoffing and following their own evil desires, they'll say, where is this coming, he promised? Y'all sitting around waiting on Jesus to show up, you say, that's it. They're like, ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation. You know, you're waiting on Jesus to come back. Ah, that's a biggest bunch of bull. They scoff at it out.

Right. what we're looking for knowing it's going to happen, they scoff at it and say, you don't have to worry about all that religious crap. Right. We're not going to follow. Oh, Jesus. Right.

So you're all waiting on him to come back. We say, yep. We're counting time by him. We're waiting on it until he shows up. We want to run toward him. He says a little later on, what kind of people ought you to be if you know that he's coming? He said, you ought to look forward to the day of God

and speed it's coming. Yeah. So, and then there's a fiery scenario that fix to take place and the evil are punished and the righteous live on. But don't you think it's interesting that people that don't, we see in our own culture now in 2021, that don't have faith, that don't recognize God, whatever, for whatever reason, they seem very angry and upset all the time. All the time.

mean, it doesn't seem like a peaceful life. They get up mad in the morning. Mad. And like, you hear them do interviews or you see people protest. So everybody is so mad and upset. And the reason why is because Romans 8 tells us, if you're going to have freedom, you'll never be able to really fully enjoy it unless the Holy Spirit is the guiding force. That's why it keeps going back to the Holy Spirit over and over and over again all throughout the chapter. If Christ is in you, the Spirit gives you life because of righteousness, the Spirit of

them who raised Jesus is living in you. Live by the Spirit. He says the Spirit helps us in our weakness. The Spirit intercedes for it. So if you have people without the Holy Spirit of God, it's understandable that they're not going to have any fruit that's borne out that looks like a spiritual lifestyle. You know, that's why there's such a contrast between the two. It gets down to the guys with the spray paint running around in the streets.

Yeah. F everybody. Right. Just all of them. Now, that's the ultimate scoffer. Yep. That's all he knows. What would you say?

How would you define the Marxist? You keep bringing up this Marxism. How would you define that for the simple mind? I mean, what are they? What is the hollow and deceptive philosophy? I mean, what is the... So here's what they would claim, Jay. The Karl Marx idea was that we're going to create a commune,

communism, a commune life where everybody is the same. Yep. Nobody is above. There's no capitalism. There's no people trying to make money. That's right. The state. So they're based on that.

But when you say that, they would say, well, we're all equal. Right. That's right. That's what they say. But here's the fallacy. Let's take our last break. Here's the fallacy. We were able to watch Marxism.

There's a reason why it didn't work because a small amount of people were in charge of all the rest of them. And they had everything. And most of the money is going to the small amount of people. To the small amount of people. So the people were poor, we're starving to death. And it was a terrible, you know, somebody says, well, they just didn't do it right. If you did it right. You're speaking like past tense, but every time it's tried.

Has not worked. Has not worked. And yet, so now today you got a group people that says, you know what? We don't like the fact that there's millionaires and billionaires. So we don't take all their money and spread it out. So everybody will have a little bit. You don't have to work. You know, this is what's being implemented.

So we're going to start sending you checks. Just they'll come in the mail. So how do you balance? How do you come? What would be the way to take what they're trying to do physically and get to a place where they understand Jesus, which is because what we're doing, we have a community on Sunday.

We take the Lord's Supper, which is where we started having this conversation. Because we have community. That's what I'm saying. And we're all equal in Christ. Correct. You know, so I mean, I see they're trying to obtain what we have in Jesus, but they're trying to do it without Jesus in a physical way.

Which is why it will not work. So you think about all the parables that Jesus taught. It's very evident. We've talked about this a lot. The idea of gain and capitalism is all throughout the parables of Jesus. Over and over and over. Don't just, you put your money to work. Even like the parable of the talents.

Yeah. Where he's like, some of them took the money and the vest that did other things, but even the one that just dug a hole and stuck it in it, he's like, well, you should have. He's taking it to the bank. Quiet life. They were quite a lab. You work hard, you know, you. So the outsiders were saying, hmm, that's good.

Right. So you won't have to be dependent on anyone. Right. I mean, that way, that's a pretty good, pretty good way to roll. Well, and a lot of jobs. Well, and a lot of Jason makes a good point there. A lot of people under or with the idea of communism, they law Jesus as like, see, this is like him.

He was here. He didn't have any property. He didn't even have a place to lay his head. He didn't mind being just a, you know, poor guy. What they miss is, oh, but also he is God, the creator of the universe. You know, I don't have to have a house when I own the whole thing. You know, when I can, the whole cosmos is mine. So they miss the idea, which is why.

won't work. Now, now I'm the other way, I'm not saying full capitalism, don't care about people, just all you want to do is make money. Obviously, greed. There's a lot of negatives and sinful behavior that comes about because of money. Well, the rich young ruler we talked about last time. He put all his faith and trust. But you said it. It's the idea is community in Christ is what matters. Therefore, I can have a little or I can have a lot, but it doesn't make me any different to my brothers and sisters. And I don't look at people based on their skin color. I'm not going to do that. Yeah.

Living a quiet life and minding your own business and working hard, that sort of flies in the face of the Facebook crowd. That's right. I think there's a problem, though. Because you live in a nation, and as we live in a nation, but we're in our case, where our foundation is rooted in the Word of God, and God is our creator.

I mean, to me, that takes top precedent over anything that happens in the nation. We're a holy nation among the nations, but we're inside a construct called a republic, which is teetering at the time. But we're members of the kingdom of God saying spiritual kingdom in the middle of all that. Well, it's why the Hebrew writer said our citizenship is in heaven. That's why I'm saying if I would have lived in the Civil War era, I'm not, I'm not going to look at someone who has a different skin color and say, oh, it's okay for you to be my slave because you have a different skin color.

I'm like, no, I'm out on that because my belief in the Word of God and what I have in Jesus is going to trump that. Yeah, that's right. But I try to tell people that as a white guy, and they're like, well, you know, but you're white. I'm like, that has nothing to do with anything. I read this and I'm like, no, that's not right. I'm going to be on the side that includes everyone. So I think people, and my point is, it's hard because I'm not real familiar with, you know, Marxism or what that means.

That's why I was asking that. I don't read that kind of stuff because I get my information out of the Bible. But, and I'm not, you know, I'm not smart enough to read because most of the time, the first time when I read what Marxism is, I spent five minutes and it said nothing. You know, I was like, well, it's godless. I'll tell you that. Basically, you had it. It won't. What is the point here?

So that's why I asked, though, they're trying to obtain equality from a different measure than Jesus. Right. And so that's why I was asking. What are the, do they have the pillars of success? And look, yeah, they do, according to them. And you know what one of the first ones is you got to get rid of religion. Yep. Well, I'm out on that.

got to go. Because if you got people that are believing there's some other way to be equal other than us taking complete control, that's not going to work. So see what I'm saying? It's power to the state. And that's what you're seeing today, which is really, really sad. But doesn't us being alienated from these types of groups prove that their equality-driven message is not working? If I'm out, just because I'm a believer in God, in what you try what you're trying to accomplish isn't it flawed because there's no room for me the streets are full of people who do not love God and they don't love each other yeah the streets are full of them and we're 30 some odd trillion in the hole it's just not a good place to be it looks

like a much quicker collapse than some of the other regimes that you mentioned ever but the good news is we're here I mean we're not going anywhere which I thought so the we just got a couple of is left, but I want to read what I thought was the strongest point in my sermon was Romans 833. Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died.

More than that who was raised to life is at the right hand of God and also interceding for us. Therefore, whatever human construct we had to be operating under, lots of them floating around, oligarchies, dictatorships, communism, socialism, socialism. I'll just go with Jesus and take my chances with him. Yes, exactly right. I think two of your other points that were really good was one when you said, God looks at us as victors, not victims.

Where did you get that from? Where was you reading that from? I just said it. I just made that up. That wasn't a verse. Oh. I just said there's a lot of people. Well, I know, but I meant based on what verse.

Well, I don't remember where I was, but I remember saying that there's a victim mindset now in America. Everybody is in a bad way because it's somebody else's fault. And I want us to realize that we're victors. Because the words I just read, Jay, that was the one I was talking about. Yeah, and we're more than conquerors. More than conquerors. And the other one was the first verse of chapter 8 that says there's now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

And the last verse of Romans 8, which says there's no separation from the love of God that is in Christ, Jesus our Lord. So you think about what God's grace offers and why it's the place for new beginnings, why it's essential to a great nation, having a place where you can move on from your mistakes of your past, where you have no condemnation in Christ? You're not going to be condemned for anything because of his grace. And he brings up the... And there's no separation from his love. Or inseparable. Yeah. So if you're, if you're separated from the love of Christ, Who moved? Basically, he says in the middle of all that,

who, he was died, he was raised from the dead, right hand of God. He said, he's also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble? Could be. Hardship.

Nope. Persecution. Nope. Famine. No. Nakenness. No. Danger.

No. Sword. No. for your sake, we face death all day long. We're considered as sheep to be slaughtered. So if you look at it, you say, he's saying with Jesus, you're not going to lose. You win. No matter what human beings have done to you, the country, or anything else.

Victor. He said, you live. Victor, not victim. I love it. Not separated, not condemned. Yep. That's the way you live for him. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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