Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 309 | Phil Robertson Finds the PERFECT Way to Keep Miss Kay From Burning His Favorite Shirt

Episode Date: July 12, 2021

Phil makes a major decision about the future of the beloved (and stinky) shirt that Willie once tried to bribe Miss Kay into burning. Jase recalls using his poker skills to negotiate with Walmart and ...brings up the new tagline for "The Chosen." And Phil talks about his history with drinking, the biggest mistake people can make with their clothes, and how he came close to converting a Jew. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I am unashamed. What about you? So I've been seeing stone out here every day now. It's on equipment, so something must be happening. We've waited four months. You borrow the water last October. You borrow the water. Pump it into your hole. We didn't have to pump last year during October and November, going into duck season. because the range did it. Yeah. Three inches, four inches. Does that save you a little money?
Starting point is 00:00:37 Thousands. So. Because it costs a lot to run a pump. So we got it up to a duck hunting level. We flooded what we plant duck feed and all there, millet and whatnot. So the duck season came and went. Good duck season.
Starting point is 00:00:52 Very fruitful. So we have plenty of ducks. We got them. Duck season ended. The river slow. started to rise and it came up to around 36, dropped back down to about 30, and it stayed there for four months up to today. But I checked it yesterday and the riverside where we got our water, borrow our water from, it's beginning to recede. So the backwater is officially
Starting point is 00:01:24 fixing to end this week. So now we start draining, dry it up as quick as we can. Which turns into quite the visual, the feeding frenzy. You get to see the food chain up close. Because everything's a planning frenzy. We're planting the silt. The muck that the high water left, that's rich, rich, rich. The dirt comes out of the water and just silt. And so when it hits dry ground, the first seed that comes up is the seed that wins.
Starting point is 00:01:59 So sometime I wait on the almighty to plant it, see what he plants and go with it, or sometimes we do like this year as soon as it gets down to the muck. We've got a track machine that the Yamaha people have furnished, that, you know, full wheeler with tracks instead of wheels as tracks. Which is the spiritual principle because last year we planted the rice, and we're not rice planters. Strike out. We should have let God plant it because when we tried by our own effort and resources, we had rice that come up that was beautiful.
Starting point is 00:02:37 It looked majestic. Unfortunately, there was no kernel in the rice housing. Husk in the husk. So we were left with husk. Empty husk. Lack of water and fertilizer. We've had a rednecket some years at work sometime. Well, I was trying to make a spiritual application on the whole point of roll.
Starting point is 00:02:58 is he sometimes allows you to do what shouldn't be done so you realize that maybe you should put all your hopes and dreams on his power. Not yours. I was just banquilous spiritual. I'm in that. Sometimes he plants it. Sometimes the devil plants it. So I look at what's coming up and I'm like.
Starting point is 00:03:24 What about you? You're escaping response to know. Smartweed. Indeed, God did that. I'm going to refer you to who was our guest here that said, hey, the devil gets way too much credit here. I see coffee beans and I'm like, the devil is doing his work. Oh, yeah, Jay's, you could speak to that.
Starting point is 00:03:42 The coffee beans that. I don't like coffee beans. But they're not. We didn't realize they were toxic until Jace was out there grabbing them. Both his hands turned purple. Turned purple, yeah. It would have messed with your heart flow. I said, man, this was my point.
Starting point is 00:03:56 This is not. This is not preferred. It's like the Germans say, do not walk across those mustard fields because it's toxic at certain times. It'll kill you. You fall dead and you know. That's what happened to say. In Germany, you know, that German farmer said, oh, no, no, no, no, no. No, Sa was deer hunting in the mustard field.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Yeah. Which explains a lot about me. And the German alerted him. You could die right there by him. It doesn't explain a lot, but it does at least explain something. There could have been some loss of brain oxygen during that period of time. So, yeah, so that's just kind of the season of where things are. Well, I like making spiritual applications, obviously.
Starting point is 00:04:39 But, you know, I got this hat from Dallas Jenkins when we did. I was going to ask you about it. Come and see is what it said. Well, we did this when we watched the premiere of the new show when we were in Dallas. So he gives me this hat. When we got up on stage, he said, we're proud to introduce tonight, our new slogan going forward. Because they used different verses in the Bible. And one of them was get used to different.
Starting point is 00:05:13 I'm not sure where that's at, but this one I know. So he said, so what's your hat say, Jay's? Well, when he handed me the hat, I'd never read it. I just put it on my head. So I had to take my hat off. It was embarrassing. It's horrible. And so then I was thinking, what if somebody asked me where that is?
Starting point is 00:05:30 I don't know. Because when I saw that, you know, when we were kids and we'd go down to South Louisiana and watch LSU baseball games and all because Phil's sister lived down there. Well, the biggest Cajun phrase down there was come see. Yeah. That was like, come over here. What would be the redneck version of that? or like come here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:58 They said, come see. And so, because when they first would say that, I thought, see what? See what? Yeah, but there was nothing to see. They just wanted you to come over here. And so, so that got me intrigued. But it's found in John 1 when Philip and Nathaniel, Jesus came up there. Of course, he was one of my favorite callings in the Bible,
Starting point is 00:06:23 because Jesus was like, hey, Nathaniel, I saw you when you were alone under the fig tree. And I knew that you were thinking, you know, that story about Jacob's ladder. I'm the latter. But kind of blew Nathaniel's line. But what's funny is Nathaniel, he's like, he's just ripping Jesus. I mean, here's the creator of the universe in flesh. And he's like, where's this guy from? He's like, Nazareth, you know, he's talking to him like he's not there.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Nazareth. Anything good come from there? And Philip said, come and see. All right. That's where it came. So when you think about it, which is really an overall theme that you have to be willing to take a look at Jesus in your life when to be open to get this. A lot of people keep Jesus at bay in their mind and heart. and they won't come and see.
Starting point is 00:07:25 Yeah. Because, you know, when I first got in on this, I hoped it was true. But after a little bit, after what I saw, because, you know, Christ and you is the mystery of godliness. Yeah, I came looking at about 28. I never looked. Yep. No searching on my part. Come and see.
Starting point is 00:07:44 28. I started looking. Yep. I'm like, hmm. I think that's why I like this show so much, because I, is that the same where he, And then Jesus winks when he, he like gives the... Look, I made... That's in that scene.
Starting point is 00:07:58 He asked me what my favorite, what my favorite scene was. Of course, Missy gave a way better answer than me, but that's another story. You know, she... You don't want to believe yourself in front of us. We are. We know. Well, it was just, she gave, she gave this tearful... We're not shocked by that, you.
Starting point is 00:08:18 It pricked your heart about Mary and us identifying. when we make mistakes and overcoming our past. And mine was when Jesus winked. But it was good because it was kind of like, there's nothing good out of, you know, nothing good out of Nazareth. You read Mary's lips. And he said,
Starting point is 00:08:45 no problem. For the Listered field, just waiting. I've always thought it was a little overkill, that many gallons of wine. but who am I to question the Lord on something? That's exactly right. Let her rip. Well, look, here's what people have tried to throw me under the bus over this.
Starting point is 00:09:04 But you got to remember, of all, what is the most underrated? This will be a good trivia off the top of my head, riddle. What's the most underrated fruit of the spirit? Underrated fruit of the spirit. Well, I've got you. Joy, maybe joy, peace, patience. I would say patience. Kindness.
Starting point is 00:09:32 No, no, I'm talking about underrated. You hear all these sermons on all these things. Oh, that you don't hear it on this. Yeah, underrated. That's not ever talked about. Okay. You still hadn't got there. You have not named it yet.
Starting point is 00:09:45 And we're. Kindness, goodness, gentleness, 30, 40, faithfulness, self-control. Uh-oh. Probably self-control. Self-control. Because think about this. When you have wine, it's the last one on the list.
Starting point is 00:09:56 It's the last one on the list. And people don't ever look at situations where you could use that. But if the Lord himself made six, how big were them jars? It was 180 gallons. 180 gallons of fermented drink. Contrary to what the fringe group says that, no, it was before. In the redneck world, it demands self-control. Well, you have an opportunity, not demand.
Starting point is 00:10:29 You have an opportunity to exercise self-control. This is about the best I've ever tasted, Lord, but I'm going to drink two at the most. Call it a night. That's what I'm saying. Just think about that power of that. It's a fruit of the spirit. Right. It's not that you're doing it instead of God.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Because a lot of people, I just made the point. that in a playful way, but I was serious, that God's power is what we're relying on. But he gives us a spirit. Right. One of the fruits of the spirit is self-control. Now, Ms. Kay is when she comes with a glass of wine ever so often, she'll walk in and she said, you want a glass of wine?
Starting point is 00:11:12 I said, yeah. She goes in and she pours me a glass of wine. But 99.99% of the time, that's it. For me to say, bring me another glass is right. I just drink a glass of wine and I go to bed. Good for your stomach. Yep. Well, I just remember when I was having a study with a guy and he was like, well.
Starting point is 00:11:33 I'm not going to make a rule. You can't touch alcohol. He said, I can't come to Jesus because I was born a certain way. Well, he said, I was born as well. So what do you do when you study with somebody and they say, I can't touch that because I'm a drunk? What do you tell them? They said, look, I used to be a drunk. So what are you doing?
Starting point is 00:11:53 Drinking a glass of wine? So I exercise the fruit of the spirit, God gave you self-control. I do think that, what's the verse that says, everything is permissible, permissible, and not everything is beneficial. Based on your current circumstance, some people should never touch it. I believe that.
Starting point is 00:12:13 True. People like me who don't have a problem. I got other problems. I'm not saying I'm perfect. But I've never been tempted to get drunk because of your past. I mean, just being honest, I thought, not doing that. There's never been a temptation for me to do that. Yep.
Starting point is 00:12:29 And so once it's easier because I've never had experienced it, I got past the curiosity thing at about 20 probably. I was curious for a while. Now, if you apply that to the- Or sometime you can watch others and you can say, I was glad I was curious. Exactly. Every time I saw other people.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Commode hugging. I thought, nope, this just validated. That is not a temptation. I am not doing that. So what I said is experience is really not the best teacher. Someone else's experience is really the best teacher. What you're saying is observation is a teacher sometime. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:13:06 So I think I'm free to drink every once a while, you know, because I'm not going to get drunk. I'm not going to drink more than one of anything. Titus I says I'm not to be given too much wine. Right. So I ask them, I said, so how much you, figure is not much. And they all look at the sky and they're thinking to me, I said, you know what it is? Not much. Which would mean a little. A little, not a lot. How about little wine, it said. That's right. I've actually said that. Look, which was embarrassing,
Starting point is 00:13:41 but I was at a restaurant and somebody bought us a bottle of wine. And it wasn't me. I didn't even, now here I'm in a situation that someone else said, hey, we like y'all show and what y'all do. Kudos to y'all. Here's a bottle of wine. Okay, now we got an opportunity. That's behaving like Jesus.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Here's some wine. So the waiter pours me a cup of wine. Well, I look back and I said, that's too much. And he was looking like, he was looking at the bottle. I was like, in my glass.
Starting point is 00:14:17 That was your bad, Jase, to tell a man when he pours your glass away. Uh-oh, huh? You went over the line. Well, let me there. No. You didn't have to break it. I just thought, well, what if I don't like it?
Starting point is 00:14:25 But then I thought, yeah, I don't want to put my lips on it and say, I don't like, that's kind of what I was thinking. What if I don't like this? And once I put my lips on it, I'm not then going to pour it in someone else's glass. So I said, that's too much. So I meant pour it in someone else's glass, but he wasn't registering. And so I said, allow me. And so I took mine, poured half of it in my wife. And I said, that's perfect, not much.
Starting point is 00:14:55 I used your line. Let's take a break. So, yeah, that's how you learn, right? What's too much? So, y'all acting like, thought I did wrong. I thought I did a good thing. But then I tasted, I thought, ooh, that's pretty good. I'm glad I poured half of this out.
Starting point is 00:15:15 I would have just maybe sipped it, maybe not, but I wouldn't have said, hey, don't just we pour too much. I would not. I would say good deed. Thank y'all, kudos. Well, so Lisa and I were in California a few months ago, and we were in Napa Valley, which is, I guess, the greatest producer of wine, one of the greatest in the world. Easy alley. And there's all these wineries, and it's a beautiful, beautiful place.
Starting point is 00:15:44 But so we did a, we spoke at a pregnancy center fundraiser. And I speak at these all over the country. And, you know, obviously there's a lot of religious people that are, you know, pro-life people that are doing these events. But I told it it was unique because I've never been at a pro-life event like that where they had like a silent auction, you know, where you bid on stuff and all the money goes to the group. It was everything was wine. Like, because you had all these wineries around there. Sure. So everything there had bottles of wine or, you know, it was a trip to the stay at the hotel next to the winery.
Starting point is 00:16:18 And it was just, and then they were drinking wine, you know. And I had just never been to one of these things because usually it's like quote unquote religious people. so nobody's going to touch any alcohol. But it was, I told them as I've never been to a fundraiser where wine was the feature. But it was because it's there. But we went around and toured that area. It's beautiful. I would say that was a good thing.
Starting point is 00:16:38 It was a great thing because they raised $200,000 that night. That's what I'm saying. Self-control as a fruit of the spirit would probably mean more there. That's right. Because you have an opportunity. Why is it in there? What else is he talking about? I went throughout the.
Starting point is 00:16:55 The country, country, like a country, the state of California. But I ran up on decent, hardworking people. That's great people. From one end of California to the other, they were good duck hunters. They took care of them. Duck holes, and they drained water, flooded it. They were a little overkeeled sometime. They had a little rock so that you wouldn't even get your boots muddy.
Starting point is 00:17:22 I thought that was a little much. But the bottom line is they had some beautiful places, Jason, we all hunted California. But it was great duck hunting. We got a lot of listeners out there too. Some of the best people I've ever met her from California. So the event we spoke at was the first meeting in that county in 15 months, the first gathering of people, you know,
Starting point is 00:17:42 because California's been super locked down. And so they were raucous. I mean, they were so excited to just be with people again. You know, it was great for us speaking because, you know, you know that, Jason. And you get an audience that is excited about being there. I mean, it helps you be better. It just comes back to leadership. That's what we said.
Starting point is 00:18:00 I mean, they get a bad rap because the leadership is the one setting the tone for how things are going. But you're right. When you look at the numbers on who they vote for and all, it's quite me, pretty sure more than one out of three. I was surprised there were so many good people there that I was impressed with. A lot of them have left there last year. It's been a mass exodus. I mean, they look normal and shockingly, most of them that I met over there were. So see, we learned that you can't lump people in together because you'd be like, just like
Starting point is 00:18:33 Nathaniel saying, can anything good come out of California? And then there's a lot of people there would say, come and see. Yeah, come and see. Which is what I did. And I'm going back and I thought we're excited about it. Which is a major statement. That's why I'm saying it takes a lack of prejudice of not stereotype and people. People are watching the news and forming opinions.
Starting point is 00:18:56 And the same thing about Jesus applies. The herd instinct. Yeah. If you go to one church out of the thousands that are out there, tens of thousands and form an opinion, well, no wonder people are leaving. Well, that's exactly right. So I want to mention your daily feel, which is a book that's exclusive for Walmart. And Dad, this is really good.
Starting point is 00:19:17 This is like a, it's a hundred-day devotional. They took the Blaze TV 800 episodes of that. In the woods. 12 to 15 minutes, I recommend just read through one of them a day. You just read through one of them. They took about 100 of them of the topics. And, you know, just a redneck expounding on Jesus, basically. You should come out with a book, too, and have the other 265.
Starting point is 00:19:44 That's right. Just call it the other two. If we sell up of these, we will. I was thankful Walmart is the one that... This is exclusive for Walmart. I'm giving you breaking... This is a marketing. That's Walmart only.
Starting point is 00:19:57 You can call it your refill. Yeah. Reefil. Your daily refill. Pretty smart. See, Jason's the market. Trying to make you some money. Most people might not know this, but say what you will about the Walmart type things in the world.
Starting point is 00:20:12 But I was driving around in my pickup selling duck calls for about three or four or five years. And when I finally got a few in Walmart just by talking to the sporty goods department back there. But finally, the buyer calls me up. I said, who are you? He said, I'm the buyer. I said, so how do you fit into this? He said, I'm the one who allows you to stock your product in Walmart and I've never seen you. He said, how are you getting them in the Walmart chain?
Starting point is 00:20:42 I said, one store at a time, sir. You actually weren't allowed to do that. Yeah, driving around in my pickup truck. He said, is that the way you're doing it? I said, I'm just going from Walmart to Walmart. I said, you know, in this computerized world, if you and I got together, you being the buyer, I said, I didn't know you existed. I said, but it looked like to me, we could come up or something.
Starting point is 00:21:03 He said, come to see me. Well, Jason ended up being the man that I sent up there. But I met with him a time and too. But he's the one that carried my duck call, put it on a national level without me even knowing it. And we all saw the order and we were like, whoa, Walmart's on board. So from there, basically, if you want to know the truth of the matter, Walmart put us on a national level. Without us. I was sent because of my poker playing skill set of reading people and being able to.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Jace was the one ended up talking to the buyers. Is who I'm saying? And he had hold his ground because they tried to get their cheaper price. Being able to bluff was a necessity. Sometimes Jace came. came back from Walmart, I said, okay, did you get the order? He said, didn't get it. And I said, do what? He said, they wanted to cut our prices too much. He said, so I told them, no, not enough. So Jay said, but we'll get them eventually. Just calm down. Well, a few months go by and the old
Starting point is 00:22:05 buyer come through and said, okay, all right, all right, we're talking about your price. He told Jay's later, he said, I would just see if I could get you a little sooner. I either got one of them. It's a game. No longer to work. for Walmart, we became friends after, he cussed me out. He said, well, I wasn't being serious. Like when I saw him later, he's like, I was just trying to let you know I meant business. And I left. And we got to be friends later because three months later, no word.
Starting point is 00:22:34 And we just, the order came through the computer just with the price I gave him. I mean, and he. Jay stuck to his gun. Well, the problem, as poor as we were, a lot was riding on that. I was going to say the problem with any small business. This was like six figures. Yeah, the problem with any small business is when you rely on one major source, you know, and that's how your business is built.
Starting point is 00:22:55 If they happen to cut you out, then you're in a bind. We trust it in God and we move forward and the Walmarts of the world come along there. But most, for the most part, I would say, Jace, they were fair. Yeah. Would you say? Well, I mean, they would, if you didn't have the right makeup, up. Because I can't see a lot of people. So your poker skills, the straight face dead pen and it came to live there.
Starting point is 00:23:23 He kept cussing me out meant nothing to me. I thought the number is the number. I don't care if you're kicking and screaming just sign the dotted line and we'll continue. There's no negotiation. The price is the price. I got walked out. He's like, you walk out of that door. He's like, it's over. I just opened it. All I have to say about him is kudos to Walmart because this book is about spiritual matters. Yeah. And they let it in.
Starting point is 00:23:53 They did it in. Now, they were the only ones. It's an exclusive, but I think, thank you again, Walmart. I think so. I did that by design. So let's take another break. So I want to mention this shirt you're wearing in this picture day because this will be the last picture that you ever take. That shirt, ladies and gentlemen, now.
Starting point is 00:24:14 Tell them where it's at now. It is hanging on a, what do you call it, a mannequin? When you see the women's with their dresses on, they put me in the museum. For the listeners, Phil. For the listeners, Phil gave me a dead, rigor, mortars. The Hall of Fame now, and my face was not near like what it really is. It wasn't an exact mannequin, but it was just a skinny-faced dude, you know. But he had that shirt on, but I sent it to them, and it hurt my feelings because I wore that shirt for 25 years.
Starting point is 00:24:44 I never washed it. See the patch right there? We've celebrated that. So my wife actually said, I hated losing that shirt, but it's going to be in a museum until Jesus comes back. That's exactly right.
Starting point is 00:24:56 So unless the place burns down. I wonder if people, if you get a face mask to be able to see it. Face masks to see what? He didn't watch the shirt for 25 years. I know. If you wanted to go look at it, you would have to.
Starting point is 00:25:10 It's in a glass thing. It's in a glass cube, but you can't get in there. And it showed, you remember that little tool We'd cut the end of the duck cause, that little scoop. Yeah. That was in there.
Starting point is 00:25:21 So they got that from somebody up here. I got it for them. They just want to know my little tools of the trade there. So I had some of those old tools. And look, it still had, it had worn places in the grip from when y'all were digging out all those in pieces. It was really interesting.
Starting point is 00:25:35 So when we were, we went through it the first time with all the big wigs, you know, that are there. And so there's a patch on this pocket. And then half of this sleeve on his arm is a patch. Yeah, I did the sewing myself. Yeah, so he sewed up this thing. So you burned it, right?
Starting point is 00:25:51 It was really interesting because when I... Just wearing it out from the... I remember one day you caught on fire in it, don't mind? I'm not on fire. Sure, no. So when I, so I told Dad, I said, Dad, we need some of your hunting clothes. And I said, I want your sunglasses, the headband, the whole deal,
Starting point is 00:26:06 because this is going to go on a mannequin in this museum. Tell the truth, though, this was a ploy to get that stinky shirt. Well, now here's the thing, though, Jay. So, so, because Martin has been calling me every year for 20 years saying, would you please talk, Phil into not wearing that shirt? Because it's made by a competitor. A competitor to our sponsor. And I said, Martin, there's mom and then there's that shirt.
Starting point is 00:26:32 And so, you know, there's, that that's the linkage of God, Mom. God, Mom, and the shirt. So it was the finest for Louisiana weather apparel. I'd ever put on my body. And I know that I just looked at it. It said 50% wool, you know, made in Bangladesh or somewhere and on that rule. But I put the thing on and I said, whoa, wait a minute. I said, wool.
Starting point is 00:26:56 I said, half wool. And I said, man, that's. But that thing. So look, Jay. It took a lot of, well, 25 years. So when I asked him, you know, that's got a closet that's full of camouflaged clothes because you've never thrown anything away, I don't guess. there are there giving a lot of that to people there are yeah and you're right we gave a lot to
Starting point is 00:27:16 so there's probably 200 different things in there so i thought he would just go in the closet and grab something he doesn't wear so i was stunned so here so dad sends me in a box the hunting the hunting pants that he had worn all year last year hunting but also not being washed and that shirt so when i opened up that box did you wear gloves when i opened out that box i But, whew, musty. I mean, it's musty. It smelled like duck wine, dog. Should we explain why you don't wash your clothes?
Starting point is 00:27:45 So. It washes the warmth out of them and wears a lot faster. I don't agree. High dollar soap. Soaps, you keep washing clothes and you wonder why they disappear. Too much washing. It's just too much. So I'm going duck hunting.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Why would I need somebody's, oh, you need a good, nice crisp shirt on. And he can't smell. I can't say, so look, so I packed all this up, I put his duck calls in there because it has to, so all that stuff goes to New Orleans first then.
Starting point is 00:28:18 I didn't know that. Yeah, there's some people in New Orleans. They take stuff from all over for museums. And so then they go and then they set it all up. So I was talking to some woman. I said, now look,
Starting point is 00:28:29 I'm a little surprised because he sent his favorite shirt that he's going for 25 years. They wanted a likeness of me. And I said, Well, this is pretty well covered. But it was great. And so what happened was when I told all the people that were there, you know, when we were there with him, I said, you don't believe this, but you see that shirt?
Starting point is 00:28:46 Of course, it's so unique because it's got these patches all over. I said, Dad wore that shirt every day hunting for 25 years. That is correct. Duck and I said, so that really is him. Unwashed. Unwashed. So, but I thought some poor girl in New Orleans, she opened that box up. She went, woo.
Starting point is 00:29:03 You know. This, this is. I was like duck hunting. But now they've got it in a glass case, so I guess it's all. Must it was never a turnoff to me. Musting is something that smelled musty. Right. Because you get it out in the air, the sunlight, that leave.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Oh, yeah. That's why they say the number one problem of when there is a problem is admitting there is a problem. Yeah. It has to start with the admission. I don't think that's going to start for that. Well, let's get back in and finish up Romans 11. Well, because I left a teaser a couple podcasts ago we never got to when we left off. But similar to Romans 1 when it says God gave them over to do not what ought not to be done.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Did I get that right? Yep. To do what not ought to be done. Because they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God. God gave them over to do what ought not to be done. Right. So he gets to Romans 11 and he kind of has a reminder because he's, Here is this chosen group out of the group who said,
Starting point is 00:30:11 we just wanna be God's people because we were born in Israel. And he's like, hang on, I want the whole world. Y'all are the foundation, which you gotta remember. But the messianic Jewish people, the ones who believe Jesus, in fact, was their Messiah, which he was, those who are still in America, when you meet with them, you'll see it makes your heart
Starting point is 00:30:36 swell with happiness. That's right. No one, there were some that said, okay, we get it. And they live in America. I don't know how many in Israel over there, but I say people, as a nation. Nope. Yep. But we gave the example last time in Romans 11, Elijah, and there was only a few.
Starting point is 00:30:56 He thought he's the only one, and God's like, hey, I've got 7,000 you don't even know about. So he gets to verse 7, and he says, what then, what Israel is, salt so earnestly it did not obtain but the elect did the others were hardened as it is written god gave them a spirit of stupor eyes so that they could not see in ears that they could not hear to this very day we've already covered that multiple podcasts he did that so that you would realize you can't do it on your own you cannot answer life's greatest problems nor can you obtain anything meaningful based on your own effort and contrary to how much money you have or how smart you are.
Starting point is 00:31:46 You wind up dealing with the mistakes you've made in your past and trying to find a way to live again. And the guy that's writing it down says, again, did they stumble the Jews so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all. rather because of their transgressions salvation is become to gentiles to make Israel envious but if their transgression means riches to the world and their loss means riches for the Gentiles remember he makes a point I'm an apostle to the Gentiles I stood there while they
Starting point is 00:32:26 stoned to death Stephen I was standing there holding their clothes so they could kill him, and he's the one doing the talking. So you just look at it, you say, in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. If their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? We all can have the same thing, but they just dug in their heels and said, these Gentiles, we just don't like them. In fact, we don't love you. You told us to love these this bunch.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Yeah. Well, another. Hang on, Jess. Let's take a break. And he was one of their killers. Another parallel passage to that, what I read about the, before we, I get your definition of the spirit of stupor. Is that in verse 32, it says God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all, which is a very pondering verse. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:33:33 So it's not like it's, I go back to the Luke 15 when the father, the son said, give me all my stuff. Give me an inheritance. See, let him go. Right. Why? So the son would realize, you know what? Wasn't real bad there.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Yeah, exactly. Once he wound up in a pig pen. So I wanted, I think this is a bumper sticker. The Spirit of Stupor. You know, it didn't say stupid. Spirit of Stupor. So what do y'all think? Stupor?
Starting point is 00:34:03 means. I would say sluggish, hard-headed, foggy. A condition of greatly dulled or completely suspended sense or sensibility. You remember what the sign, you remember what was the triggering moment? Coming to their senses. In the pig pen, that's it. He came to a sense.
Starting point is 00:34:28 You remember in Romans 1, he says they are senseless. Right. Faithless. And then he adds heartless. And the redneck say that. And then ruthless. I mean, that's a bad human being there. That's right.
Starting point is 00:34:43 The redneck definition would be, that old boy ain't got any sense. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard you say that for. Yeah. That's right. I always say too dumb to pour pee out of a boot with the directions on the heel. You just don't get it.
Starting point is 00:35:00 would they put directions on the hill well even if they were there you still wouldn't get it that's how dumb you're in a stupor i think of it like someone wakes up like something happens and you wake up you know how it takes you a little while to figure out what what's going on here because i've been asleep well that's true that same kind of but think about if you lived in that that that was what's interesting is this definition there's different ones when you google someone who is in a is almost is almost unconscious, unconscious, and is unable to act or think normally, especially as a result of drink or drugs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Which is basically what happens. It's what happened in Luke 15, and it's what happens here. The gospel is interjected as far as the gospel is concerned, verse 28 of Romans 11. They are enemies on your account. But as far as the election is concerned, they're loved by the Lord because of the patriarchs and all that. I can understand that. But I just want to interject here one little point about the religious world and all of them, all the 25,000 different groups running around out there. It looks like, Jays, to me.
Starting point is 00:36:21 My plea is a simple one. Why don't we just all come together on faith in Jesus coming down and becoming full? flesh, dying on a cross, being buried, and raised from the dead, and ascending back to heaven after 40 days. He convinced him he's alive, and that he's there to mediate for us, and he'll give you life and immortality if you just love him and love each other. Why in the world, out of the 25,000 groups, I read their writings all the time? It is painfully small for the ones who say we just simply put our faith in Jesus coming down in flesh, dying and being buried for us and raised from the dead.
Starting point is 00:37:07 I don't know why we can't all agree with that. Come together on it. Get rid of all the names. Just say Jesus people. Because of things like Nathaniel. He's like, ain't nothing. I just don't know why it would be such a giant leap for people to get rid of the creeds. Just stick with the Bible.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Don't come up with a creed. This is what we believe and all that. Just put your faith in the one who came down here, 21 years ago from the Virgin Mary, like God said. And a seed of a woman will save the world. He'd crush Satan. And I just don't know how we don't come together on that. And just let it fall where the look of chips.
Starting point is 00:37:44 Because like Nathaniel said, but he is from Nazareth. Yep. I'm serious. He just, well, he's from Nazareth. I have a hard time. I mean, the arguments he's using, you know, talking about his own people, the Jews here, Al, if you look to Christianity,
Starting point is 00:38:03 it's so splintered and divided, no wonder we have all this trouble about, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what are y'all in all this? You see what I'm saying? Well, that's why it's... It's not rocket science. But that's why it's also so difficult, because it is faith.
Starting point is 00:38:16 I mean, you do have to believe it. So what's interesting about this, this text as you read that he references. One, it's referenced twice in the Old Testament. You rarely see that. It was Deuteronomy 29, but it was also Isaiah 29. Well, it's interesting about that. So that's two different eras.
Starting point is 00:38:34 Deuteronomy, whenever that was mentioned then, Moses wrote that. He was talking about the ones who had come out of Egypt. And now they wanted to go back. And he was like, I mean, what is wrong with you people? Guys delivered you and you want to go back under slavery? That's the faith they have. But then Isaiah is 800 years after that, and he's got a whole other group of people. He's in that era when we talked about with Elijah.
Starting point is 00:38:57 Same argument. Same argument. And now here Paul's making the same argument 700 years after that. So the point is, no matter what era the Israelites were in, they had a hard time putting their faith in God, even though he had chosen them to bring Jesus to the world. Works. It's difficult. What was your buddy old, Jim McGregan, legalism is. a killer. He got that accent over there. That's Scottish, whatever. I remember him when he said
Starting point is 00:39:26 it, first, he wasn't saying legalism first, but he said it must be hunted down and killed for the animal that it is. Legalism. I'll never forget, let's take a last break. I'll never forget when McGuigan was preaching one time, and he talked about, he talked about the, uh, the, the, some of the prison walls of a concentration camp. And the Germans had put in there for the Jewish people, work will set you free. Yeah. And that was-
Starting point is 00:40:05 I think that's hanging over Auschwitz. It is. Work will set you free. I looked up and I saw that. I thought, yeah. I remember McGreg- I said, the same sermon.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Yeah, McGuigan said, that's a damnable lie. Yeah. That was what he said. Which it is a lie to them because they were going to kill them in there. Work was not going to set them free. But it's a lie in the church.
Starting point is 00:40:24 It is. And that was his whole point. And it's not like God didn't create us to do good words. He says that in Ephesians, too. Yeah. We are his workmanship. We just get it the cart before the horse. We believe that work will set you free.
Starting point is 00:40:40 You work hard enough, long enough, and right enough. You'll obtain freedom. So that's why he said in verse. You break the law at one porch, your guilt of breaking all of it. Free from what? If you can't get out of the ground and you can't make right, I mean wrong for right, what can you do? He said in verse 5 of 11, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
Starting point is 00:41:07 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works. If it were grace, grace would no longer be grace. I mean, in other words, he's saying that if it depends any on you, it's not grace. That's right. It's not from God. is that was the whole issue that they were having. But then he almost has to come back to the Gentiles but said, but wait a minute, don't get too full of yourself. Because remember, you were grafted in. The root was a Jewish root. You know, and you read about that too. A root would
Starting point is 00:41:37 spring up out of Israel. I learned this principle when I saw our neighbor graft trees. Because then I thought, oh, he's doing this quicker. He was taking one tree. Yeah, a bitter pecan. Yeah, and then put... Sweet pecan. On top of it. They put it in a crease in it and tape it up. And it was a bitter pecan from then on up to that crease.
Starting point is 00:42:03 But where he put the transplant in, the result was the fruit was sweet pecans instead of bitter pecans. But humans are not trees. And so they're like, I ain't going with that green. That's true. He ain't being grafted in with nobody. That's it. He compared it. He said if some of the branches have been broken off and you, though, he's talking about the Gentiles,
Starting point is 00:42:30 though a wild olive shoot have been grafted in among the others and now sharing the nourishment sap from the olive root, do not boast over you being a branch. We made it and they didn't. That's exactly right. Don't do that. You do not support the root, but the root supports you. And I think that's where this. If he didn't spare the original, he said he won't spare you either.
Starting point is 00:42:52 Exactly. So consider the kindness and sternness of God who did that. Right. Just consider that. Yeah. And I've always thought that this concept was really why the America, I mean, all throughout our history, has been very supportive of Israel. Yep. You know, because there is that, you know.
Starting point is 00:43:14 Me included. Yeah, us too. And because of Christianity, we're supportive of them. root. And so, you know, there's no been no greater ally to Israel than the U.S. And I think I think the reason why is because of what we read about in the New Testament. It's true. I've always thought that. They were in the Bible. Right. And that's our history. Like all, we share all that history. We owe the Jews. We do. I've been grafted. Jesus is a Jew. Yeah. I mean, he came here.
Starting point is 00:43:38 I studied with a Jewish guy on that TV crew. And when I was showing him all these things, he said, Phil, you almost persuade him. He said, but all my family members are rabbis. He said, but you've almost got me to the point to where I think maybe you might be right, but I'm scared to say that. Almost. He was close, but I don't know whether he ever moved on. He said, but you've got me, and he did his hand like that.
Starting point is 00:44:08 He said, you've got me mighty close. I said, your Messiah is my Messiah. We all can be brought together. He was like, hmm. I was making the, in fact, he was. In fact, I was making my argument from where we've been 9, 10, or 11 of Romans. That was what I was showing him. He was like, hmm.
Starting point is 00:44:26 He almost went from stupor to super. Stupor to super. There's another bumper sticker. There's a T-shirt. He liked the verse and said, I don't even know. I read it. I got a Jewish Bible, not y'all. He said, but I didn't know that was in there, that Ismail was a wild ass of a man.
Starting point is 00:44:46 And the King James says, wild ass. And the NIV, it's just wild donkey of a man. And he said, is that in the Bible? I said, yeah, see right here, Ishmael? And he said, well, that sums it all up because he's fighting with Arabs all the time. I said, I said, this goes way back. They will live in, he, Ishma, will live in hostility toward all his brothers.
Starting point is 00:45:10 And then he had all these sons and said, and they lived in hostility toward everybody. And he said, man, I didn't know that. So he said, I'm going to show the rabbis that. And isn't it interesting that all these thousands of years later, the attitudes are still very similar. I mean, Israel's on an island. If you stop at Malachi and don't go on after that 400-year love and don't see John the Baptist coming up out of the way, if you miss that part, you'll really miss it. That's exactly right.
Starting point is 00:45:42 So when you get to the end, I want to read this last, the NIB puts the title doxology, which is not in the text, but it basically means here's the way he's going to wrap up this section. Because remember, he's put some pretty hard things out here. But he says there's a door open always to the gospel, including for the Jews. For the world. For the past, present, and future. That's right. I mean, he was trying to reach everyone through Jesus.
Starting point is 00:46:09 You know what's cool to look forward to? From all of that talking to the Jews, the Apostle Paul, when he gets to Romans 12, that's after 9, 10, and 11. When he gets there, that was deep. He basically says, he basically saying, look, just offer your bodies his living sacrifice. Right. The opposite of law is all the way through Romans 12. It is. It's how you behave.
Starting point is 00:46:37 Well, and it's not about worship, too. Y'all, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's talking about your worship. your spiritual act of worship is offering your body as a living sacrifice. It's not this ritualistic where you are from, code, self-based. Going to the temple and entering your church building, the sanctuary of your church building. I'm like, no, there's no sanctuary there.
Starting point is 00:47:02 No, shouldn't use terms like that. Then he uses that phrase that don't be conformed to the pattern of the world, which is basically worship anything but God. but being transformed. Yeah, that's what we'll be next time. So let me read this last bit because I do think it's interesting that he ends with this out of these three chapters that he's been making his case. He said, oh, the depths of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God,
Starting point is 00:47:28 how unsearchable his judgments and his paths beyond tracing out. Who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor? Who has ever given to God that God should repay him? for from him and through him and to him are all things to him be the glory forever. There it is. Amen. Which is really powerful because to me is at the end of the day he's saying, you know what, we just got to trust that God knows more than we do.
Starting point is 00:47:53 By the way, in my humble opinion, until the United States of America recognizes what that doxology by the Apostle Paul quoting the scriptures of the past, until they understand this, our nation will never be healed. That's right. So the Jews are not only the hardheads. There's a lot of Gentiles got hardheads too out there. But he's also giving you hope. You know, in 29 we didn't read, but it's just a little bumper sticker statement
Starting point is 00:48:22 that says God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Once you answer the call, you're in. Right. We're talking about an eternal God, the most powerful. Think about those words, irrevocable, inseparable, can't separate, non-condemned. I mean, all this stuff we've been reading about. I mean, it's the place to be.
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