Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 311 | Jase's Awkward Trip to Buy Women's Underwear and Why Missy Was Upset with Him

Episode Date: July 16, 2021

Jase talks about buying lingerie for Missy during their first year of marriage, and Al discovers that Victoria’s Secret is now Phil’s Secret. Jase tells the story of leaving his computer on an airplane and why Missy was upset with him for other reasons. He also weighs in on the season finale of “The Chosen.” Al and Jase speak about the significance of the cross as an intersection of sin and forgiveness. And Jase describes going to a clothing-optional hippie community where everyone looks just like him. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Jay's in between podcasts, we were, you were telling us about your foray into buying lingerie for Missy. Well, is this like a long time ago when you... What could have possessed you to say, I think I'll look into women's apparel? I would have been married about three years. So you got to, how far are we going back here? So your motives were good. you wanted to help out i mean i thought we're we've done this the right way we waited till we got

married we're experiencing god sanction sexual activity between a married couple so i just you know after a couple years i was running out a gift ideas and so i thought you know what i'll get her some lingerie i just didn't i didn't i'm not recommended i was telling y'all before this was a D-E-D. Don't ever do. Don't ever do. Because what they didn't realize is when somebody likes me, looking like me. You had made one fire call, said, Dad, I tell you what, it occurred to me.

I should have. I just said, oh, ho, ho, okay. I said, son, some, some saw you do not want to stand on. So I walk into this, you know, you're out of your league on that. I go into the Victorian secret, you know, and I felt a little awkward when I walked in. The Victorian secret. And, you know, I just didn't realize. I was like, I feel like people are staring at me.

And, well, they were. For a good reason. Yeah, I wasn't feeling that. That was happening. And you're surrounded by mannequins. You got people in the back of the store going, what do you say? Who do you say, well? I mean, you know, they're documented.

Somebody was monitoring the camera. I felt like at any moment while I was at that store, that they were just going to be cops coming out of every direction. it was all a trap. What's the problem is you're right out. You're looking at stuff because you're thinking, well, my wife, I'm doing this for my wife. Right.

But you're looking at mannequins. And they're wearing the apparel. So all of a sudden I started feeling kind of creepy. I felt creepy when you told me that you're going to do something creepy. So I finally decide on what I'm getting and I get up there and I have it there. and she's looking at me, and it's just awkward. It's not like, I thought, why have a store where you're selling stuff where a guy like me comes in, and you're making me feel way more uncomfortable?

Don't you have a line? Didn't they say, okay, when some weird-looking bearded guy comes in here, here's what you want to do to make him feel better. No, didn't happen. She was like, get out of here, creep. So then the payoff was, I give it to mission. she's like, why would you buy me lingerie? You don't think I'm not capable of doing that myself?

So I'm like, okay, so not only did I feel like a creep, look like a creep, now my wife is saying, you're just a creep. The payoff was supposed to be, oh, look, you bought me lingerie. Never saw that outfit. By the way, just in passing, I mean, so after that, did you learn from that lesson? Yes, I've never even, I don't even look at that store. I don't want anything to do with it. And evidently, people like me are disqualified from that price.

Lisa and I hadn't been in a mall a long time. We were, I think we were in California. And we just, we went to eat at a restaurant there. And it happened to be at a mall. We had a little bit of time. So we're just walking around the mall. I hadn't been in one forever. And, of course, it's COVID.

So, like only so many people can be in a store at one time, at least in California, I guess. And so you're looking and there's lines. People are waiting in line to go into a store. And I was just, I was thinking, really? I mean, like, you really got to want something. Well, guess where the longest line was, Victoria's Secret? Yeah. I mean, it went around, around the corner.

And I said, people, not only are they shopping for the lingerie, they're waiting in line to shop for the line. Well, the guy who came down here, the local redneck, he said, in bloodsucking that's getting y'all. I said, yeah, they're getting us. They're just all in their face all day long, blood-sucking gnats. So he said, he held up a bottle and said, Victoria's Secret. He said, see this stuff right here? And I said, what is that?

Of course, the bugs are all over. We're doing like this. I'm like, what is that? And he said, you put this stuff on and they will leave. The bloodsuckers will leave. And I said, look, I said, I'm going to try anything. I'll try it once. I said, but don't tell anybody you ever saw me put this on.

So I got me a little dab on. I put it on. The bloodsucker gnats left me alone. Look, I need you. Something in that Victoria's secret. I don't know whether Victoria found out about it. Well, that is the secret. That's the secret.

But whoever may be. You want to hear something crazy? This gets rid of bloodsucking gnats. We have solved the secret of Victoria. I've known you. I've got a bottle of it in the forum. Oh, I know. It's awkward.

Because look, when people get in there. Does it have like an underwear model on the front of it? No, I've had people get in his rig and see that bottle and say, is that yours? And I'm like, no, that's my dad's, which you're talking about creepy. Creeple are. Like, he uses that. I was like, well, he does it for the Nats. And they go, oh, yeah.

Yeah. But here's what's funny, Phil. This year, this year, I'm in Alabama a million miles away from here. And when I went metal detector and I told you about the story. Oh, yeah. We got lost. Look, there were gnats everywhere, and the guy who I've never met before. By the way, the dictionary calls them no see him.

All right, well, this guy. No see them. It's actually a word, no see them. And it's those gnats. He said, do you want some spray for the gnats? I'm like, yeah, what you got? And guess what he pulls out? Victoria's Secret.

Victoria's Secret. That's it. I said, here's the problem that I have with this. And he looked up at me like, why would you have a problem with it? I said the problem is that my mind is going to you, going in that store, buying that. And I had a really bad experience there when I was young and immature. I sent Dan. Well, that wasn't creepy.

So look, I think the biggest problem is you have this misunderstanding between husbands and wives that I think God created for you to work out and become stronger through conflict and communication. Because look, on my way back from Colorado, I just come back. And everything's going pretty well. But all the problem, I'll tell you the end problem, and then I'll go back and tell you the story that led to this comment that my wife said, do what? I said, well, when I looked at the woman's body type, I knew right then she said,

what are you looking at a woman's body type for? I was like, babe. So now I'll tell you the story that led. to that comment. So I leave my computer, my laptop in the airplane, but we only had a small distance of time to make our next flight to Monroe. And we hurriedly got there. So when I got there, I'm going to get out. We had like five minutes before we start boarding. I get out, I was going to get out my computer and I look and realize, oh, I put it in the seat, in between the seat. So I go up. Missy's like, go, go, go tell them right there.

It said assistance or whatever. And I was like, look, I left my computer on a plane. On a plane, it was in Terminal C. We're in E. And so he said, well, let me call them. Well, he called him. Nobody's answering. He's like, can't help you.

Sorry. So I went over to missy. I was like, nobody answered. And she said, well, you don't have time to make it. And I said, I'm going for it. So I took off running, wide open. Down the stairs, down the escalator, excuse me. I get on the shuttle.

I go to sea. I'm occasionally looking at my clock because, you know, you have 15 minutes. They give you up until 15 minutes to get back. So you're in Atlanta? I'm in Dallas. Dallas, okay. And so I go up there to the gate that I really landed on in sea. And I see the crew that I was with on the plane.

So I was like, great. Well, there's another woman making an announcement saying, this gate has been changed, you all need to move. So I'm like, well, I don't want to interrupt her because there's like everybody's looking. And so I asked the stewardess, I said, look, I left my computer on that plane. And she just completely ignored me.

She was looking through me. I looked back. Okay. So the woman making the announcement, I said, look, I left my computer. And she said, sir, go over to this station, and I'll help you later. I was like, but I don't have time. I need that.

I need to get on that plane. Well, when she said, go to the station. Well, I looked over on the station and I see my computer. I was laying there. Laying there. And so I said, never mind. I see it. I'm going to get that.

Well, I had, it's, you know, roped off. And she said, do not touch that computer. I haven't identified it yet. I thought. I just did. She said, do not touch that. So I'm telling my wife this. I said, then I looked at it.

her body type and realized that if I grab this computer, she's never going to catch me. But, Missy, forget the story. She's like, what was you doing looking at her body type? I was like, because I was thinking I'm fixing to take off running. She's not going to catch me. Yeah. I mean, I didn't mean anything other than that. But forget the whole story.

It's like, what was you doing? It reminded me, Phil, when you were squirrel hunting that time, you know, and the game warden snuck up on and you looked at him in the cowboy beats on and you thought nope nope what i said was when he said i looked around like that i heard a stick break i looked around that he's about 50 yards he said holy son game ward and i said that's what i thought and the race was on i grabbed that computer and just took off at a dead run and the woman is saying bring that back i thought how dumb is this it's my computer right at the same thing jays i've left stuff before and it's like they're like so how can you prove this yours i said because it's mine i mean why would i come up here you have a random wallet or computer

and i'm missing one i mean so did you take it and run i took it and run yeah i had two instances on that trip that made me really just oh they're frustrated that was one the others when we go up to security. Same thing happened. As soon as we go in, it's Missy, Mia, and me. And the security guy, sir, wait your turn. Because they, he's looking like you're not, you're not with them. Usually she says he's with me, but she just didn't. So I just waited in the back. They did their thing. I stepped up. He's, he's like, I was like, yep, Robertson. But when I said that, he said, sir, because I had a, you have to wear the mask. He said, your, your mask is not up. to standard.

And I said, excuse me? Because I was made the Robertson comment. Yeah. He said, the mask is not up to the standard. I mean, I had the little white, you know, it's white on one side and blue. Yeah. So I took it off. And he said, you have it on backwards.

I was thinking, what? I said, I said, well, let me just turn it around. He's like, it's not up to standard. I said, do you have another one? I was kind of being sarcastic. He says, yes. So he pulls out a mask, I kid you not, that was the identical replica of the one I had, blue on one side and white on the other, and he handed it to me.

I put it on, and I thought, what is going on? So then I just couldn't keep my mouth shut because I took about five feet, and I said, that was my wife that you saw before. And he was just looking at me. I mean, but he didn't care. He didn't care. My theory is, Jace, that the pandemic,

because air travel was not great anyway, but it has now turned people into that. I mean, like, I think the people who work there, all of a sudden think that they're like the Gestapo. That's what it is. I mean, they have this power.

It's bad. You know, they keep talking about all these fights they're having on planes and stuff. It's because the tensions are so high. I mean, you go through that, I mean, that was just one trium. I'm not embellishing this in the least. There was the exact replant.

I just had it on backwards, which I'm like, you know, you know the old redneck joke. When you need a new pair of underwear, you just turn them inside out. I'm sure I probably turned it around after I thought, you know, it's been a while since I've been wearing it this way.

Let's turn this puppy around. That's right. But they just like gate agents, everybody, it's just like this terrible attitude, flight attendants. Usually people are typically friendly because you're paying a lot of money to fly. I mean, you're, you know, their business, you're the customer. You're the, you're supposed to be the right, you know, right here.

But it's, it's not good. It's been bad. In fact, it's gotten so bad for me, Jay's that I've gotten to where I've just taken to driving. You can't give too many common people power. That's right. Well, they just tend to want to be authoritarian. And that's what it's kind of way. Well, if you say something, they're like, we're saving lives.

We're protecting life. And I'm like, in this case, you're just being an idiot. I had a mask on and I had it. I mean, who's to say which side is right anyway? Right. You know, I have my mouth covered. Yeah. Yeah.

So concerned for your welfare. And you said, well, stop killing your babies. That start there and then we'll talk. That's a good point. Let's take a break. Yeah, that's my theory. That's not the friendly, they used to call it the friendly skies. so friendly. Yeah, that was a slogan, the fly the friendly scud. Yeah, not so friendly anymore.

But whoever the airline, the best ad campaign for all airlines, I've said this before, was the one that just said, we'll get you there. We'll get you there. That's right. That's all I want. That's right. But just say nothing, do nothing, give me, I don't want your bag of pretzels or whatever. Just get me there. Just get me there. And don't be rude while you're doing it. So, So I preached a sermon Sunday called Don't Miss the Point. And it was actually from Romans 9, 10, and 11. And I kind of just did kind of a high flyover of this text. And we've been talking about it on the podcast.

We wrapped it up last time. But it was interesting because so many people have missed the point that Paul was making in there, which was kind of the whole idea behind my sermon. And I said, Jason, in the beginning, that there's those. there are reasons why people miss the point. One is, and this happens a lot to dad, you can't hear. You know, somebody's making a point, but if you don't hear it, you don't get it, right? I mean, maybe there's a reason Jesus said many times, he who has ears, let him hear.

It's over and over and over. One of my favorite Carl Allison stories, he was our old mentor, Carl. And Lori, his daughter, was my assistant at the church. And she went and she was like, I was standing right behind her. And she just said, hey, dad, we have cake in the break room, you know, because it was somebody's birthday. And Carl looked up and he's just like, I mean, just come, you know, he was like, something struck him, you know. And he was like, there's a snake in the break room. He was like, he was ready to go kill a snake.

And I mean, Lori and I got so tickled. I was like, that's how sometimes you miss the point if you don't hear things quite properly. And then I showed a video, Jays, that you would have loved. It was our old friend. So because I thought, I think it's like something funny about missing the point, you know. And so I thought of a couple of my own stories. And I said, I'll just Google it. So I just Googled missing the point humor.

And about the third thing that came up on the Google was our old friend Jeff Walling. Oh, really? Yeah. And he was telling a story when he was preaching somewhere. It was like a youth thing. And so like 50 kids came forward to be baptized at the end. end of it. And he said, you know, the people, these faithful people that were setting up the event, they had six sets of clothes for 50 people for 50 people to change into. So he said what he was doing.

So they were in a line to get baptized. Well, he said every time a kid would come out, they would change their clothes. They had a little change in there. And they would hand him the clothes and he would run around the thing to give it to the next kid. So you put on wet clothes. I guess so. So he's just, he said, I'm just running. You couldn't do that now. No, you couldn't. So he's running around this thing. He said, you know, I'm just breathless. And he said, you know, we're baptizing. All these kids are getting baptized.

He said, and some guy runs up to the stage. He says, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff. He says, I have these wet clothes in my hands. I'm trying to get these kids done. He said, from where I was sitting, I could see number 37 didn't go all. His arm didn't go under. It was, it didn't go under the water. Yeah.

So, so Wally, it's like, he said, I'm looking at this guy. guy, because I'm running around trying to get these kids thing, and he's like, okay. So I appreciate it. Yeah, that's, you've missed, you've missed Jesus. You've missed the heart. We've got to the baptism. And a pinky was out of the water. You didn't bury.

That's right. So the guy was like, what are we going to do about it? And Jeff said he was leaving. And he said, sometimes God just gives you what to say. He looked ready. He said, trust Jesus. And then he said, he went back and. around. And everybody's laughing because he's telling the story. And then he says, but I have to tell you,

you know, I have legalistic roots. He said, sometimes at night, I have a nightmare where this kid walks up and he says, and he has one arm and he says, I'm number 37, which was a great story. But it was, it was really good about the idea that sometimes you can look at something and miss the point of what it is. And so basically Romans 9 through 11 is the Jews missing the point of what they were creative for, what their purpose was. Paul makes this whole argument that you above everybody else should be the ones that understand Jesus. And he even came in their era, but they totally missed him. And they missed all the signs and they missed all. He does all those verses.

And it's interesting because we, you know, we. we had Gary Glennon. We were talking about all the different texts that are in there. But I hadn't thought about it. But I started looking at who Paul used either from a text or just an illustration. And let's listen to the people we use. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jose, Joel, Malachi, Elijah, Job, and David. I mean, that's pretty much the who's who of the entire Old Testament.

Hall of Faith. That's exactly right. And yet the point was that they missed was all these people were pointing to Jesus. And yet, you missed him. You know, somehow you missed him. So it was really interesting. And so my point, of course, ultimately was, do people miss Jesus today? And the answer is still yes.

I mean, because of all these issues. Last night, you know, we got back from Colorado and they had the finale for the chosen season two. I believe it was Sunday night, so it's been a couple days. So we watched it late last night. But I had that same. I didn't know this is what we were talking about today because I've obviously been gone. But it was in that realm, and I won't get too far into it because if you haven't seen it, I don't want to ruin it for you because it's more of a you're not sure how this is going

or where it's going. But it was really about that, all the surrounding, you know, cast of individuals, from every race and group and religious group for Jesus to try to bring these people together, that was the struggle. They were missing the point of that it's not this crew against this crew or this religious group. That's right in the middle of his dissertation,

right in the middle, brothers, you get to Romans 10. My harsh desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. And here's the point they missed. Christ is the end, the culmination of the law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

So he basically clarifies the entire book of Romans right there. That's right. Christ is the end of it. It's over. I'll tell you this one thing, because this is not really giving anything away, but there was some Pharisees that had gathered up. And they're like, I mean, they're fixed to,

have a big meeting because they were gathering. It was in prep for one of Jesus's big moments in his ministry. And they were like, well, let's just, what are the facts about this guy? And so they were going down through the facts. They were like, I heard him out of his mouth say he was the son of man. And the other one said, but he also said he was the fulfillment of a prophecy from Daniel. And they were like, Paul, who is this guy? And then they're like, he's done multiple miracles on the Sabbath.

They were like, yep, okay, that's fine. He did that. And then it's like, now they said, well, what do we think we know? You know, they had the facts. Yeah. Like, we're pretty sure that he actually has women in his following, in his inner circle. Yeah. They were like, and look, one of them's an Ethiopian.

and they're like well one of them has a terrible path whatever they called her you know terrible pass and then it's like he has a zealot following and a tax collector and the other one said oh that's not just anything he's been seeing it having meals together with degenerates and other tax collectors and it's like once you i mean they really did a fantastic job because they were just like pouring it on and pouring it on. And I was like, you're talking about missing the point. They had missed the point that God, whatever God they were serving was not for everyone. They were too far gone to be reached.

And which is the whole point. Let's take a break. And one of the things I read, Jay's, which was really interesting in Hebrews 11 at the end of it, all those great people, which most of them I just mentioned are in Romans 9. through 11. These people were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. So they didn't even know exactly what their role was in the process. That's right. God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. And then, of course, in 12-4, he says, Jesus is the author and perfector of our faith. So I made the point that,

you know, these, the people that were so great in the Old Testament, they didn't even understand exactly how they fit into the plan, but they just did it anyway, because they trusted God, which he said, that's what I want. I mean, his own apostles sitting there listening to him when he would tell them, I'm going up to Jerusalem, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, are going to mark me, hand me over to the Gentiles. They're going to beat the fire. I mean, I'm going to die.

In three days, I'll be raised from the dead. Even his apostles all the way to the cross were saying, do what? Yeah. They didn't get it. And even when he was leaving, remember, they had seen him. resurrected, they said, and is this one we're going to restore Israel to power? Yeah. And he's like, you guys, come on.

I mean, like this whole time I've been telling him. But we made the point that they never understood that it wasn't, they were only thinking Israel was going to be saved. They missed the point that God said, no, the whole world has the opportunity. In lieu of your statement on how they missed it on missing the point, I mean, you just think about it, they, they, they, they just couldn't put it together. And, and I used the term, I said, he was hiding in plain sight. That's right. But they couldn't see it. Well, Jason said this before. If he came today in the modern world, they, well, a bunch of people would miss him again.

They, for the same reasons. It wouldn't be, it wouldn't be holy enough. It wouldn't be big enough. Well, that's right. You forget the last paragraph in Matthew, which also they had an all some deal on the chosen about Matthew and Jesus, because Matthew, who was a tax collector. Yeah. So they have him kind of social. The guy they have, the way they've created that character is really good. Well, he's socially awkward because. It's kind of on the autism scale, like kind of is what he acts like.

You would be socially awkward back there if you were a tax collector, but look, how many tax collectors have you met? Guess what? They're socially awkward. I'm sorry if you're a tax collector. The IRS. Let me just have. Talk to anyone with the IRS, and you're like, what in the world?

How do you feel about the IRS? What's your first impression? Okay. So if you're like, you know what, one day I'm going to grow up and I aspire to be a tax collector. Well, guess what? You're socially awkward. But in Matthew 28, the last paragraph, now you just think of what's happened here. This is the whole life of Jesus, all the miracles,

The death, the burial, the resurrection. They see the resurrected Lord. And in verse 16 of 28, it says, Then the 11 disciples went to Galilee to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. Look, when they saw him, they worshipped him. You just stop right there and you're thinking, how could you not be any more convincing in your ministry in accomplishing God's scheme of redemption?

They saw and die. They were there. Now looking at a once dead human who's evidently has some power. I mean, there's no doubt. Which he had told them over and over and over. So they worshipped them, which I thought awesome, because now they're on a mountain. They're not in a church bill.

I've used this before. They had a worship experience here spontaneously. Nobody was worried about how. They were focused on who. Then the little word, but. But some doubted. Here we go. Still doubting at this point?

And I love what Jesus said in that context of some worshiping and some doubting. But guess what? In our churches today, every Sunday, there are people worshiping and there are people doubting. You're sitting beside people doubting and you're worshiping. You are correct. There's doubters and there's, it's not going to go away. And then Jesus said, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. therefore go make disciples, which this is the point that was missed of all nations.

He was trying to get them to see over and over and over, and the whole Book of Romans is about it. I mean, if you just get that one concept, it'll help you understand the Book of Romans in God's scheme of redemption. He was trying to win everyone. He's after everyone. That's why they had missed Jesus the point about why he was taking the worst of the worst. from the best to the best to the worst to the worst.

I mean, they were all there. And I said that's why that Paul used Elijah as his illustration, who would be known as the most fearless prophet in the history of Israel, Elijah. I mean, the stuff he did, the way he did it, his style. We talked about that. The way he, I mean, he was a man that trusted God. And yet at the end of the day, he sat under that broom tree, and he doubted. He said, I'm the only one left.

Just tape me. You know, there's no point of me being here anymore. I mean, he had a moment. He had a doubt moment. And God said, nope, I got 7,000. You don't even know about it. And so, again, that was back to the thing.

And I know, you're thinking, say what? Yeah. Where are they? I could have used them back here. I mean, it's hard. Look, the other night when I was doing that event, we just opened up the meet and greet to everybody. And I pretty well took 1,000 pictures in a span of two hours.

Well, one of the guys came up there. And I'm making conversation with everybody. And you meet special people there. I mean, I met a young girl named Samantha, and she had cleft hands and feet. I had never seen any, like my daughter had that cleft palate. This girl had cleft feet and hand. She just had two fingers on both her hands, kind of shaped like the Spock greeting like that, and her feet were the same way.

She had the greatest attitude of anybody of our men. She's probably a 10 or 12 year old girl. And I was like, look, you inspire all of us adults. Yeah. So you have all these conversations, and I'm looking for that because Jesus taught me that. In amongst all his world vision, the Gospels are filled with these one-on-one encounters. And so to help me get over my shyness and timidity and just nervousness about being in front of people, always just focus on these individual interactions.

But this guy, the story I want to tell, this guy comes up there and he's like, man, I just appreciate everything y'all do, you know. And I'm an alcoholic, and he's like, I've struggled with all that. And so I was like, well, now we're high on Jesus and everything's going well. And he's like, well, and I said, oh, I said, how long have you been sober?

And he said, I'm high right now. look he got teared up you know and he's like I'm sorry man and I was like oh boy I said we need an invitation song because I was trying to like working the line is hard to get in depth yeah I mean everybody gets about 30 seconds but now he's convicted because I basically put him on the spot which I I didn't know that I mean you were just assuming he was thinking us he was like you know I was an alcoholic and so I said well look hang on just let's take a break I said look man you you know I'm not sure maybe you're subconscious because then I realized okay yeah this guy's lit up

like a kite I'm not sure what he's on but I was like look you can be forgiven where this is great maybe maybe God led you to this point you know I'm fixed to explain Jesus in detail of course he got all choked up but he the word he kept mentioning was doubts. He kept saying, I have all these doubts. I have all these doubts. And so I thought of this passage. I was like, look, there's a thin line between gathering up, worshiping, and doubting. It's because here they all were at the right place. I said, but it's a, it's a one day at a time and realize that God is supplying the power, not you, because we have a tendency to doubt for whatever reason. It's just universal. Look around. Right. And, you know, when Paul mentions the

Elijah story in Romans 11, 2 through 4, when he gets to 5, he says, so too, at the present time, there is a remnant chosen by grace. So this never changes. There's going to be way more that reject than embrace. But then he says, and if by grace, it cannot be based on works. If it were based on works, grace would no longer be grace. Yeah. And so I, so my point was, not only did the Jews miss their special election, their purpose, which was to bring Jesus to the whole world. They also missed law and grace because they kept wanting to revert back to it. And we've talked about this before. I think it's the biggest thing people miss even now that Jesus has been on the earth. They still keep wanting to go back under law. I mean, they don't want to,

because it just sounds too good to be true. It's like, well, that was a point last night in that episode. They also mentioned this. I think Matthew asked Jesus, he was like, well, why do you use so many parables and riddles? Because he was like as a tax collection, he was the numbers, man. Yeah. He's like, I don't like the, he didn't say irony. He said the, I forgot what the word they used, but that was what he was references.

When he was looking at these parables and these illustrations, like salt and light. Right. So why are you using that? And, you know, Phil did a class one time called, I believe you called a directional dialogue. Yeah. And Jesus was a master at, taking something tangible on the earth. And he's talking to this group, but really he's after the ones right over there.

That's right. Well, and he's using light, water, whatever, salt as illustrations to something spiritual. He's taking something physical. Which Luke 15 is a great example of that. Because remember, it starts out saying the Pharisees were saying he eats with sinners. And so he tells the three parables. and it's really aimed at the Pharisees. But it's all about lost things being found.

See what I mean? It was a great directional dialogue teaching because that's who he was aiming at. They were the older brother. Way back in Romans too, if you call yourself a Jew, if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God,

if you know his will, if you approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law, if you're convinced that you're a guide for the blind, he's covering everything that they, on how they missed it. For those who are in dark, an instruction of the foolish,

a teacher of infants because you have in the law, the embodiment of knowledge and truth, you then who teach other, do you teach yourself? So he just says, you've got all these claims. But I'm looking at you,

how come you didn't get this? How come you didn't understand that their law is over? Right. Jesus hits the end of it. And I made the point, Sunday, that I think... He made every argument you could make. The reason why Paul was so passionate about this text is because he was the chief misser of the point.

I mean, you talk about a guy that missed the point. When he was Saul, he self-righteously thought that killing people and terrorizing them was his God-ordained mission. Plus, he put the fault on the Jewish people themselves. He said, God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, the way you operate. Right. You said, you're doing a bad thing, even for the Gentile. Remember, he started this whole section by saying, I wish I were lost.

If it meant you could be saved. And I said Sunday, I was like, you know, I've said a lot of things preaching and teach him. I've never said that about anybody. I mean, that's how anguished he was about. You're talking about splitting hairs. They had it down to an art form to make themselves look good, you know. Oh, yeah, they missed it. I mean, and that was the whole point.

They missed it. And so I'm going to read you this section from Romans 10 because, you know, this is how they missed it. But I want you to look at how Paul lays it out. This is that text in Romans 10, 9. If you declare with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him in the dead, you will be safe. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

And I made the point that this is simple. It's not easy, but it's simple. I mean, that sounds pretty simple. You know, I'm just, I'm not going to be in charge of my own life. I'm going to submit myself to Jesus and I'm going to follow him. It's a simple path. You can find that. You can find that.

But it doesn't mean it's easy. But I think that's why he did use, Jesus did use parables and illustrations is because to those who are searching, when you search and try to figure out. out why would Jesus make these illustrations. That is giving you a new picture of what God is really like. You just think when you're no longer open-minded, when you think you got it figured out, that's the most dangerous ground to be on. And I think that's why it is somewhat complex from the outside looking in, because a lot of people hear all these stories and they're just like, what? It seems too complex. And this Bible is so big.

but it only has one point. That's right. It really does. And people are like, oh, well, what is that point? We always jokingly say, start with Jesus and go from there. I mean, he is the point because that is how you have the image of this God that you're trying to have a relationship with. Yeah, and again, it's a simple path if you're willing to embrace it.

Let's take their last break. And then he says in verse 11, as Scripture says, anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame. We talked a lot about that. For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile, the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call them. Everyone who calls in the name of the Lord be saved. It's for everybody. It's for everybody. And so the idea of bringing Jew and Gentile together, the great mystery says, is the same simple solution to what we see today.

We're living in the most divided culture since the Civil War, and we know the answer. I mean, you're colorblind if you believe this. And they got there by turning their back on what we are discussing today. That's how we arrived at where we are. And that's how people... Because they didn't think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God. He gave them over to a depraved mind to do what or not to be done. That's what he starts with in Romans.

And it's true. It is. And so I kind of close the idea that now we're all in ministry together. because in 2 Corinthians 5, he says we are ministers of reconciliation. Therefore, we're Christ ambassadors. And so we've got this purpose. We understand that's what we do. And so it's just like we had Samuel on the last podcast.

Here's a man who was lost, who was confined, who was, you know, from everybody, from a worldly perspective. Basically written off. Written off. And had no future in this guy, I'll never do anything. And then when Jesus gets a hold of him, he spends now his life mentoring, leading people. It's a paying afford of grace. And he's trying to help the 17-year-olds that he once was and ended up in prison for 25 years. Exactly.

So therefore, God made him who had no sin to be sin for us so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. So it really is, that's why Paul said we're created to do good works now. That's what we do. But it's not to get to heaven. I mean, getting to heaven came because of Jesus, you know, because of our trust of it. That's why the cross really, when you think of the cross as being an intersection, a literal cross. Yeah. I think the reason God chose that emblem is because you have your sin cross with his righteousness in that moment.

I mean, that is the intersection of humanity. Yeah. Which is maybe that's not why he chose the cross. but I like that. That's a good reason. God made him. Well, that's the verse. No sin to be sin for us so that in him we might become the righteous.

That's pretty good, Jay. I've always said it was when our story intersects his story, and that happens at the cross because that's where everything is taking care of. So at the end of my sermon, I said, you know, like you do as a preacher. So, you know, I'm laying out Paul's whole argument, you know, and it's sort of a, I wouldn't call it an intellectual sermon, but, you know, that text is big and broad. So I'm laying out the point.

So I get to the end. And, of course, you know, you've got an audience of people listen to you and people listen online. It's like, so what's the point to you? I mean, what does, what does any of this have to do with you? Because if you preach a sermon and it had anything to do with the people that are listening, you hadn't done a very good job. And I said, don't miss Jesus.

And so I'll go into the whole thing. And so I tell the story about I preached the Sunday before. And when Sage came home, Phyllis and then were there. And they had been over where you were. were on the fourth. And they said, who preached today? And she said, well, Pap and some other guy, meaning Kellett, you know, sorry, Kellett. And they said, what do he preach about? And she said, well, he said he was raised by teenagers. That's what she does. Well, I said that in the sermon. I said, I'm lucky to be alive because I was raised by teenagers. I was talking about my mother.

That's all she got. That's all she got, which Emma was right. The illustration was more powerful The lesson was about freedom, but she got that. So I said, so here's what I, so that was my six-year-old granddaughter. So I don't want, if anybody asked you today, what did the preacher preach about? I said, what are you going to say? Kurt, Levi said, don't miss Jesus. And he got it. I was like, Kurt is right.

We don't want to miss Jesus because you can miss him. And then I used some illustrations, like I said, you know, you're in a 12-step program. You were addicted to drugs. And you go in there and finally you got some structure in your life. You got some community and people are helping. And you think, man, celebrate recovery has saved my soul. Nope. If you believe that, you miss Jesus.

And so I was like, Jesus is the only saver of souls. And then I just went through some different things, mission work, all the things people can get into. Yeah, and you're not saying those things aren't good. No, they're all great. But I mean, people that, because people have told me before that they're like, well, people get all drugs without Jesus. I'm like, yep, they do. there's some groups out there that do wonderful work, and I'm all for it because it gives them a clearer mind to find Jesus.

To find Jesus. But if you want your sins removed and you want to get off the planet via the resurrection, now we have a set of circumstances that you can't help. That's right. Now, you can help them be a functioning member of society, and we appreciate it. It's like Dad always says about fitness gurus. I mean, you can, man, you can get that body fine-tuned, And that means you're going to die healthy.

Yeah. It's a great line. It's a great line. I think I use it every speech I give. That's exactly right. Everybody goes on a hole in the ground, the beefed up and the one's not so. Right. Yeah.

It was an interesting contrast when I was in Colorado because, you know, it's kind of become famous. And I made a few jokes about being high on marijuana because they're, you know, it's legal pretty much there. And so here's this festival I'm at. And it was faith-based Jesus. centered 1500 people shows up so when i'm coming back from the hotel this guy said look i'm going to take you to the hippie community just they they're just squatters yeah down by the river

and so when we be hollow we can't yeah when we came down the hill i would say there was about the same amount that was at the festival because we we almost ran over two people who were obviously high because they were just walking down the middle of the road And the woman, you know, I was looking head high if you can follow me because I guess that these communities clothes are optional. And you didn't want to determine what body type she had and had to tell Missy. But I'm telling you this, because what was strange about it is because I looked at it, all these people at the hippie gathering, the dope smoking deal, they all look like me, all the males. They did. I thought, well, I could fit right in here from a physical.

Take your clothes off and jump on in, Jay. And at my speech, most people didn't they? They were clean shave. I made my little joke about there's a place for clean shaving. I said, there's a place for smooth-faced people in our world. It's called the ladies' room. They always laugh, you know. And the guys are like, well, what's he trying to say?

I'm like, God gave you this. You're in one of the coldest environments in the world. and you're shaving the warmth. You need to repent of that before we ever get to Jesus. Have you missed the point of the beard? There you go. But that contrast was so interesting. You know, here we are just right beside each other.

Two big groups of people. One weren't getting a hell in Jesus. The other weren't smoking crack or whatever, smoking pot. So don't miss Jesus. Here's what I close. Don't miss Jesus. Don't miss grace. because, man, people have missed that.

You know, they put it. They want to put the works back on. They want to hold some of the law. And then the last one was, don't miss your purpose. Because remember the Jews, their purpose was to bring physical Jesus, the Messiah, to the planet. And they missed the purpose. And so I said, you know, if you say, well, you know, I just, I don't really know what I'm supposed to be doing. I don't really know my purpose.

I mean, I love Jesus. And I'm following them. I was like, you're in good company. Because everybody that was around before Jesus, they didn't know what. they were doing either. Yeah. But you just trusted him anyway. What's amazing is Jesus, as far as lineage goes, he was, he was and is a Jew. That's right. This is exactly right. And so are all the people. You would think. So we're all the people that we, that wrote the Bible. You would think that would make the connection and said, I know, these are all Jews. Right. Yeah. Yeah, they missed it. So, you know, it really

does make a good application, I think, to us that, and he said that in chapter 11. He said, look, don't get conceded and say, yeah, these Jews, you know, he said, look, they were the original shoot, and you got grabbed it into that. So you just better to thank God every day. You need to be afraid. Don't be boasting about it. But to your point, a lot of people there are like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I don't know what God wants me to do. And for those people, you got to remember Colossians 323 because Paul, same writer of Romans, made a valid point when he said, whatever you do. That's right. Whatever. You work at it with all your heart as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know you'll receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.

It is the Lord Christ. You are serving, which is the point. Whatever you do, that becomes your purpose is to highlight Jesus in that service. Don't you think, Jay, that one of the greatest pleasures of what we get to do by traveling around speaking is running across people that are doing something different than we're doing. but God's getting glory out of it and they're helping people. I mean, I love the stories of the people I run across. Like the butcher, you tell them. I mean, all these people, you find them, you're like, you know,

they're doing something totally different than what I'm doing. But they're helping people. They're paying forward grace. And that's what we're supposed to be doing. Yeah. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube.

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