Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 316 | Phil Finally Learns He’s a Rich Redneck & Jase Gives a Drugstore Devotional

Episode Date: July 25, 2021

Phil discovers that rich rednecks know how to plant some crops, or in his case, duck food. Jase goes to a trucking conference and finds out the people who attend are not, in fact, truckers. He also learns that his jokes go over many people’s heads — especially Missy’s. Jase shares his faith with people in a drugstore. Phil and Jase talk about how it’s not our role to judge people’s life decisions but rather to bring them to Jesus. And Phil and Jase talk about the warning that Noah gave to all the people of the world and how their response relates to modern times.  - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I don't know where have y'all been or your travels. I was a house in Florida. Jace just got back in South Carolina. In between all that, my repertoire of what I've been doing seems to be following just a pattern. I'm in the mud hole every morning cutting beaver dams, cutting beaver dams.

Cutting beaver dams. Some of them are huge beaver dams. Bring in a trach hole. get the water off the property so we can plant it for ducks. Stone said, I tell you what we're going to do. I got there, buddy, he's going to fly rice in, drop it in three inches of water. If you can get the thing down to three inches of water, he's going to fly by and dump rice, plant it in an airplane, taking five minutes to plant the whole thing over there.

Y'all did that? And I'm listening to, well, your man Stone is the one that dreamed up to it. I like this plan. So anyway, the rice. Who flew the plane? Our buddy from. Oh, so it wasn't stone? No, the one we took duck hunting this past duck season.

I can't remember his name. But anyway, but he's a good dude. But anyway, he flies the rice in. Stone and them are going with the track machine, planting stuff like millet. They got rice on the South End. that's already up. In the private hole, we're draining the water as I speak, and it's almost down.

And that was planted three or four or five days ago. The rice man up in Arkansas said let it germinate for four, five, six days, and then drain the water off of it. And if we get a crop, we can put the water back on it and flood it. So nothing else will grow. So we got rice coming from the air and from track machines. but it keeps raining but it keeps raining and then we've got to drain it out and we're trying to get the last three or four inches out so all the rice are come up the beavers are still damaged the beavers are fighting us every step of the way well the more things change the more they stay the same i just i just saw a story that uh some some lake system out in the mountains somewhere out west they were flying planes over and they were putting the fish were flying out of the plane out of the back end of that thing.

They were stocking it with fish. Out of a plane? From an airplane, which sounds a lot like what we deal with rice. Can you believe that? I mean, that's how they stocked the lakes was with the airplanes. Yeah. It was pretty amazing. If you're planting seeds, it's a fast way to plant it.

That's for sure. Yeah. We're going, everything's done in the air now. Yeah. I mean, I just got off. I went to South Carolina, so I'm on the planes. The pulse is, no matter what anybody says. is people are traveling because i sat on the floor in the airports overcrowding so i don't know

where they're going i have no idea but they're going yeah and then you know i did a bit about the amazon guy you know going to space well he launched his his space travel they took off and i mean it was on every news organization he's going to space and there were people the newscasters like i have hills right now and I actually heard one of them say that. If you give them, how much money does it cost to make a trip to outer space with now $5 million or something? A way more than that. The seat next to him went for $28 million.

$28 million. You're right, isn't it? So I thought he's gone. Well, I do a couple flights to get back here. And by the time I got home, they were already back. And I thought, well, that wasn't much of us. They were only in there 10 minutes, Jay. So I'm like, this whole hub.

The news media, they're singing kumbaya, and the man's going to where no man has gone before, and the whole space travel lasted about 10 minutes. He's back. And he's short $28 million. Yeah, the guy sitting next to him. I don't know whether it'd be worth it or not. What is that an hour? If you paid $28 million for 10 minutes.

Well, you got more money and you know what to do with if you're paying $28 million for a ride in the outer space for 15 minutes. Yeah. I think it was 10. 10. So I was, I went to, I had an interesting event. I was in Charleston, South Carolina, and this was another reschedule because of corona. That's one of my favorite cities. Yeah, I don't think I'd ever been there before.

I love Charleston. And, uh, the best people I've ever met on planet Earth in all the states, they were from the Carolinas. Really? I'm sorry, but that's just the way I, I don't know I to apologize. These were good people. These were, uh, truckers. I think it were, it was people.

Now, I don't know why in the world. Somebody asked me to come. It was kind of at a fancy, fancy hotel. And they were having like a three-day getaway conference slash with the trucking executives. So the guy, when I get there, they're like, we're going to do a little meet and greet. It was 10 minutes because I had to fly in the night four. That's a good thing. Yeah, it was nothing to it.

So I walk in. It was bustling. The room was crowded. I'd say there was two to three hundred people in there. But that's all the room would hold. And so the guy introduced him. He's like, he came out with a sheet before we got up there. And he was like, well, here's the introduction.

Here's what I have. I was going to make sure this is fine with you. I said, oh, no, that's way too long. I was like, you just need to get up and say, Jace is a simple man his priorities are God, people, and ducks in that order.

I said, they'll laugh. And then you just say, here's Jase. That's exactly what he did. They laughed, louder than I thought they would. So I thought this may be a good crowd here. So I kind of,

I come up there. And look, all these people were they were well-dressed because I was thinking truckers so I get up there it's always a good sign if when you're introduced if there's no booze when you walk out there was no booze which I was there was no booze no hecklers and there was no booze any hecklers any hecklers in the back well I was given a B-O-O-Z-E reference so I thought well this may be pretty good no booze so I'm going to give i came up because i got one speech you know i'm trying in a clever way i go through the duck call demonstration and i i'm introducing jesus and i tell basically how this happened which was god

this was god's plan and so y'all know know the speech i give however i just thought for fun i was like i need some trucking jokes just to try it and if they're a disaster that'll be the funny part that i tried to do trucking joke so i did three jokes that i came up with off the top of my head. And one of them I had found, because I asked Jay, who was, he took my place in the last podcast, right?

I said, you got any trucking jokes? Well, he just Google search trucking jokes. But I got to like, number three, and they all had profanity in them. I was like,

forget this. But I did see one little slogan that I used, but the reason I'm doing this is because when I got back, because they went over well, I told Missy the three trucking jokes that I had,

did. Look, zero response. She didn't even smile. And I said, you don't think that's funny? And she said, no. So we have a wager on whether y'all would think these are fun. I'm just going to throw, Jay's, I don't know that Missy is your best test audience for jokes, just in general. Well, we'll see because we have a bet going, but I won't tell you what the bet is till after it because I'll get your response. So here was my three trucking jokes. All the top of Matt. So I get up there. First thing I said, because Al is a professional speaker, I'm not.

So I get away with a lot more. So what they call that you need an icebreaker. Because you think about this, I have camouflage on. All these people are decked out. We're at a fancy-smancy hotel. I thought this was going to be a bunch of truckers. So every lead-in I was going to have, I thought, scrap that. These are the people who own the truck.

That's right. These people, somebody, yeah. You're talking to the big dogs here. Big will, big wheels. And I could tell, I could sense it. So the first thing I said, so I got up there and I said, I'm going to tell you the truth. I walked around this place two or three times,

and I cannot find one truck anywhere. They all roared with laughter. So I was like, No trucks. No, where's the trucks? So I said that. I said, where are the trucks? So that was the first one.

They all laughed, Al. Missy, nothing. So that led me to this. I'll give that a grin, but not, not. No, no, no. So I said, well, you know. And then I said, I said, boy, y'all are a lot more sophisticated and well-dressed than I anticipated.

Because I, here again, I'm, and I said, of course, I'm not much on wardrobe. They had a little chuckle on that because I basically... However, you're in South Carolina. Which, you know, South Carolinians, Southerners. Yeah. So I said, so what do you call a trucker in a suit? And I asked them, I said, you can say, because I wanted to see if anybody knew this joke.

Nothing. Nobody said anything. So I said, so you got the joke. what do you call a trucker in a suit? I said, the defendant, they all laughed again. Two out of two. I was like, two out of two.

Missy, nothing. That's actually pretty funny. Well, I don't get it. I said, because he's in court, he's committed a crime. He now, they don't normally wear a suit. She went, oh, yeah, she said, that's not real funny. It takes too long. So then the third one, which I completely made up,

I said, really the only famous trucker that I'm aware of, because you got to remember, I made this up. I said, was the trucker who was going to prove that the earth was flat, but he drowned. They all waited like y'all difference. And then I said, I made that up. And then that was the best laugh I got. I made it up. And Mrs. said, I don't understand how he drowned. I said he was driving his truck.

He was going to prove that it was flat, but you can't drive very far without running into the ocean. She's like, well, that's just stupid. I said, but it was funny. And the fact that I made it up, and they all laughed, they liked it. I guess you got to be a trucker to like it. So what do you say? Was I right or were they funny or was it just, no,

or was the Missy right? No, I think that was excellent. And I have to say that Missy, dad is sort of like Rodney Dangerfield, you know, who, tough crowd. Yeah. You know, she'd be hard to get, get on. I would say overall, she's slow to laugh. Slow to laugh.

Yeah. Well, you know, if we, if she's got to be real funny for her to say, ha ha, I've never seen her do that. I've seen her do it. But the stuff she laughs out, I got nothing. Yeah. They're not funny. She'll watch these home renovation shows and home.

renovation. That's her number one. She watches them. And she laughs. And I'm like, they're not trying to be funny. Yeah. But somewhere in there. I never checked into the home innovation crowd.

They actually have a channel, Phil. I didn't know this. That is a home and garden channel. Huh. 24-7. Because it's on at my house. 24-7. Yeah.

So that was the Charleston trucking. But look, I will say this. Yes. Because you got to remember, this is not a church setting. These are truckers. And so I do the duck call. We have some laughs. We have fun.

I shared Jesus. And it was probably the most people that have come out of the audience on my way to the airport. I was, because I'm like you, once it's done, we're out of here. Because I was on a real tight schedule. But there were more people that came up. after that just as we were walking out saying things like that's the most sense i've ever heard from a from a church perspective or a bible-based thing i'd never even consider that i mean that that actually made sense and it was just shocking i'm like well you never know what how people are

going to take that but i think that's the way the lord works sometimes in mysterious ways because i think a lot of them had no idea that they were fixed to hear the point of the Bible in a very short speech. So let's take a break. So Jay's did, were they from all over the country then? Was this kind of a convention for them? They really weren't from, because I said, well, where's the plan at? And they were like, what plant? I was like, well, I was serious.

Where's the trucking? They're like, well, we're from all over the United States. Well, they're just gathering here. Because originally when I booked the event, it was going to be in North Carolina. And I was like, where did you all move your home base operation? I never had a handle on what exactly was going on a while. All you have to do is hit the interstates and look around. There's a lot of produce and whatever up and down these highways, Val.

You know what? It's a big business. Trucking companies are still, even after all the advances, we're talking about people going to space, trucking companies are still the backbone of American economy. They're the ones that get everything. When Corona first hit and they couldn't get trucks out, I mean, you talk about create a problem in a hurry. I mean, these guys are, of course, we have a lot of listeners that are truckers because

I hear from them all the time because they spend all this time in the truck. So you can imagine they need something to listen to. And so there's a ton of them there listening to the podcast. So you truckers out there, we tip our hat. We salute you because you're the backbone of the whole country. there were three times where the audience, which this was unusual, erupted in applause during my speech. One is when I mentioned the podcast. I said, well, I do a lot of y'all like, what do you do now?

And I said, we do a podcast with me and my dad, Phil. And I said, and my weird brother, because I talked about you wearing khakis and the lack of facial hair and on. That's always guaranteed laugh. And they all applauded. so I thought okay the second was I told this story about I have this I think I have this hat on the that I got from it's actually from the book of John where Philip and Nathaniel you know when when and I kind of told that story quickly because I was in Walgreens that morning didn't have any deodor and I figure if I'm going to meet doing a bin I might ought to take care of that so I'm in

Walgreens and I come up there and there's two young African-American women behind the counters. There was two stations there, but nobody else was in there. And so one of them said, what's come and see about? And I realized I had this hat on, which was a slogan that the chosen, the TV show that you subscribe, this crowdfunded, you know, about Jesus and his followers. I said, oh, I'm glad you asked. I said, there's a show the chosen.

I said, y'all have heard of it. Neither one of them had heard of it. Of course, you got to remember, I'm in Walgreens here. And I said, well, here's what happened, that story. Nathaniel was under a tree. Y'all remember Nathaniel? And one of them said, I don't read the Bible. So when she said, I don't read the Bible, I thought, okay, we possibly have a non-believer here.

And the other one said, yeah, I know that story. I said, well, they said they had found the son of God. The son of the living God was on the earth. This is a couple thousand years ago. And Philip was telling his brother this that we found him. And so Nathaniel was excited until they said, well, where is he from? And they said, a little place called Nazra. And he's like, oh, that place.

In a way, the son of God come out of there. I said, and then Philip said, come and see. because he wanted to show him Jesus, no, this is the son of God. And so what was funny is I'm telling this to these two young women where there was a couple people that had gotten in line behind me.

And I kind of surveyed the scene and everybody was just looking like this is happening in Walgreens. And so I told that story. But when I mentioned the Chosen, they all started clap. Well, a few who had seen the show. started clapping.

Well, then everybody started clapping because you're in a crowd and people started clapping. Oh, I'm supposed to clap. And I was like, y'all don't even know what you are clapping for. So let me all have not seen that show. So I got to introduce that show, which I thought was good. And the other thing that they clapped about was when I explained the Bible, I do this little bit in less than 60 seconds. And y'all heard me do this many times.

But where you got Genesis to Malachi, Jesus Christ is coming to Earth. God in human form, Matthew to John, he's here. We got the red letters when he spoke. Then acts to the revelation. He's coming back. They all clapped, which I took that as a good sign. Very good sign. That's why South Carolina people are some of the best people I haven't met on planet

Earth. But technically they were from all over the U.S. These are truckers. Yeah. I felt way better about the trucking executives after this encounter. Yep. Well, it's pretty nice, Jay, that you can still, you think about it in current America, you were talking to, you know, executives in one of the biggest businesses in our country.

And yet you were able to couch that in spiritual terms as well as talk about, you know, whatever you want to talk about. I like that you can still do that because this day and age, you know, everything is so woke that you think you wouldn't be able to do that or it'd be well received, but it still is. And like you said, these people from all over, you probably had, you know, a wide range of people that were listening to, some believers, some not, you know. Oh, I'm positive 100%. There were people who did not believe in God in there.

But I disarmed them a bit because I said, look, I know some of y'all don't believe this or you might have had a bad church experience. And I'll go through this deal about churches, always do the same thing. I was like, you got to remember, we're all flawed people. And you have people in charge. They may be called elders, pastors, evangelists. But guess what? These are flawed people too.

Yep. But God uses flawed people. that's why he went to the cross and I explained all that. I said, so you basically got to remember that going to church is like eating fish. You got to spit out the bones. We all have flaws and forgiveness is interwoven in all this. So it's kind of a good way to share the answer to new beginnings and off the planet, you know, to live again and live forever, to people who probably are never going to hear it any other way.

And so I'm like, I use your line. If you got a better idea, I'll have five minutes as I'm walking out of here for you to lay it on me. Lay it on me. And guess what I heard, zero ideas about how to get off the planet. So in your absence, Jase, we had a couple of podcasts while you were on the road. I told our podcast audience that we send you out from time to time just to gather stories, which, of course, you've gathered more that you. you share with today, which is good.

But we had, so we had two podcasts that really wound up being, I would say, because I kind of reflected back on it yesterday because we filmed those on Monday. And I would say the theme was who's a man, which was what you and I heard growing up from dad, because that was kind of his mantra, you know, be tough, don't whine, don't cry, you know, don't worry about getting hurt, you'll get over it. And so we were talking. That was kind of our theme for both podcasts. Not really planned that way.

It just worked out. So on the first podcast, we had Psy and we had Stone. Oh, boy. And then we had, then we had the, because I had planned on having them, but then they were going to have a guy on their podcast later that day that was the world champion arm wrestler. And when Jay told me about it, I was like, the world champion arm wrestle. And then he tells me the story about this guy, and I started doing a little research. I said, we got to have him on our podcast too.

So I was just going to have him on for like a couple of segments. But it was so interesting, he wound up staying on the whole time. But Jay's his arms. Dad, how big were his arms? I was fixed to ask that. How big was his arms? The guy comes in and when he appeared, he took up the doorway, you know, from side to side. And when he walked in, he looked like the world's greatest arm wrestler.

He had big arms. He had big arms. I thought it was a technique. He had big arms. long whiskers and just just torqued up like he said yeah yeah it's a little downside to it you know he said you know he said my my my arm slammer you know when you win your your right arm you know he said how many times had he broken his arm 70? Here's what he told us Jay so so he right-handed he's a world champion left-handed he's a runner-up

world champion. So, I mean, this guy can go either arm. And he said he was doing a left-handed one. And the guy pinned him back. And when he did, he stripped out that elbow. And he said his arm was just flopping somewhere behind him. I mean, he just tore the whole elbow. So when they looked at it, they did the MRI and x-ray of it.

But they looked at his right arm. Because I asked him, I said, I read on the internet that you've broken your arm 70 times. Is that true? He said, well, and then he told us the story about his first his left arm. When they did an x-ray of it, his right arm, they found 70 old fractures in his arm bones, in his right arm. So the man has broken his arm 70. But look, he never stopped. He never stopped arm wrestling. And he never stopped smiling about it. He never stopped smiling about it. He had the best attitude. And he's real soft

spoken, you know, I mean, you look at him and you're kind of, he's, he's very menacing and imposing. But when he talks, he's very soft spoken. He's a, he's a godly man. His wife is a seven-time national champion. She was, you know, off-camera. Arm wrestling, too. We did the podcast. Yeah. Oh, my goodness.

So, I mean, these people, and they drive around in a big old Winnebago with his, you know, all of his stuff on the side. His name is Monster Michael Todd. They call him the Monster. Yeah, I told him, I said, I haven't seen a rig like that since who's the guy, the two rock and rollers? Z Z-Z-T. I said, I haven't seen a rig like that since Z. Z-Z-Top pulled in here one day, and we talked it over. Those were some interesting guys.

Yeah. Let's take another break. They wanted to eat squirrel and dumplings, and Ms. Kay fixed them some. Yeah. Z-Z-Top likes their squirrels. So anyway, Jay, so what happened was on that podcast, obviously we told a lot of stories about who's a man and, you know, Cy and dad were back and forth, and Stone was, you know, jumping from time to time.

Of course, and then I was asking him a lot of questions about arm wrestling. Because, you know, dad had done a little arm wrestling back in the day when he was still before he was a Christian. And so we just had a lot. It was really interesting conversation. And it never ended. We laughed a lot. So that was kind of the physical side. So the second podcast, we had a guy named Kyle Thompson, who's from Oklahoma City.

And he does a men's ministry. And his, ours is unashamed. His is called Undaunted, which I like that a lot. Undaunted Life. That's what is. what is that mean? What is undaunted means? You're not going to the left or right. You can't shut it down. It's moving forward. On whatever, forward, backward, it never follow the tanks or die. That's what I thought. I was just making sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. So he, so his deal is he talks to

men about not only being a godly man, but being a manly man. And then he talks about Jesus being a manly man, which I thought was really interesting. And so that was a much deeper dive into godliness, manliness, kind of what's ailing America in terms of a lack of masculinity and kind of this current gender stuff that's going on. So it was a really interesting kind of two-set podcast that I hadn't really planned on being what it was. But it's who's a man.

That's what it was. Don't you think, Dad? Yeah. Well, every time we have this conversation, I go back to one of my best friend's son, who when he was doing it, his application to college, when they got to gender, he had over 60 choices. I have nothing else to say about that. I don't know how you would come up with 60 choices on gender.

But that's where we are in America. In the state of Louisiana in the next two or three days, we're going to see if they're going to veto John Bell Edwards on this gender thing that they're trying to push through down to the legislator. They think they have enough votes to, he vetoed it. He's the Democrat. He vetoed it. The issue is allowing males to be taken as females, and they're in the women's locker room, and they're winning all the contests in the races. Competing. And then John Bell went for that. I think that all came about because some guys who couldn't win. against other guys thought, well, maybe I could beat some girls.

I hope one of our sisters, Pat Moore down there, and I hope she rises to the occasion on that. But we don't need that in Louisiana at all. Let men compete in women's sports. It's looking pretty good, Dad. The Senate, they passed yesterday in the Senate, so if it passes in the House today, then they'll override his veto.

I hope, I hope and pray they do. I do too. Because, you know, look, it's about protecting. our girls and young women from all this stuff. I mean, that's the main thing. So it's crazy to me that you have to pass a law that says that men can't compete in women's sports. But like Jay said, that's where we are in America.

That's why I like in creation when you read in Genesis chapter 2 and 3. And then Jesus reiterated in Matthew 19, there's a famous saying that comes up in quotations in the Bible over and over and over. over. And then in Jesus's quote in Matthew 19, four, it says, now he was talking about divorce and when you could do that and how based on the law of Moses. But he said, have it you read. He replied that at the beginning, the creator made them male and female and said, for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and the two will become one flesh. but you never really noticed specifically why he used that phrase until you look up one day

and there's 65 choices on what your gender is. That is correct. So he was clear via the Holy Spirit thousands of years ago, I think, for a reason because he knew that was always going to be a problem. Yep, he saw it. Which shows you that Jesus did. You're right. When he said things, they didn't just only apply in the moment, but obviously him being God.

and outside of time. He understood that these words were going to carry weight. I had a guy one time that told me, he said, well, you know, Jesus never, you know, homosexuality can't be a sin because Jesus never addressed it. I said, what are you talking about? Sure he did. He gave you the blueprint for how it's supposed to go. And it's supposed to be one man, one woman, and they marry for a lifetime.

That's the blueprint. Anything that doesn't fit in the blueprint is, is that's out of what he says to do. So whether that's gender issues, anything else. You don't have to say anymore when you say that. No. Yeah, it's subtle. He said, for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother. Well, what was the reason?

What was the reason? I mean, he said he made them male and female. That was the reason. That was the reason. A man, he would look over and say, oh, yeah. Now, he also. As shocking as it sounds, being a biological male or a biological female, it's pretty easy to see.

Well, yeah. Well, he got to the end of that chapter 19, and he says, because of circumstances, changes, things that happen when he said, you know, some are eunuchs because they were born. This is verse 12 or 19,

because they were born that way. Others were made that way by men and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven and the one who should, who can accept it, should accept it. So he was like,

there are going to, he even ignores. the fact that there were going to be situations where people wouldn't get married or wouldn't have a sex drive. So I just find it interesting that it wasn't like he didn't address it. And even the exceptions. Yep. That you could live a life and have a pure heart about and purpose about.

So, I mean, it's really- He was basically saying, you don't have to marry. All right. The Apostle Paul said, I wish all men were like me. He said, but there's so much immorality. you know, it's better to burn with, better to marry than to burn with passion. So a lot of people who say, well, I was, you know, born a certain way or had these issues, which Jesus did address that some, you know, were units because they were born that way. And some were made that way by men, which could be emotionally, spiritually, or even physically.

Yep. So that's why I always go to the fact that when Jesus portrays people who put their faith in in him as this being born again, I think it's a good line to tell people when they've, you know, had a childhood or circumstances that influenced them or messed them up. I was born this way. Yeah. I always say, well, God can make you born again. You can be born again.

There's a way to start over in life no matter what the situation or circumstance, which is really awesome when you think about it. Yep. let's take another break jay but don't you think that in the argument now so inconsistent with what we're seeing because just a few years ago when we were when a group they were arguing for gay marriage and things like this it was like well people are born this way and for you to try to tell people that they're choosing you know what they want to do their sexuality how they want to live that that's wrong you can't do that because they were born this way but then

you turn around less than 20 years later, 10 years later, on the gender issue, a person is born is pretty obvious what their gender is. And they said, oh, no, no, no, no. They have to decide what their gender is at some point. So wait a minute. They weren't born that way. I thought we were born a certain way. I mean, the exact same argument has been flipped on his head. That sounds pretty hypocritical to be. That won't work. I think that happens when you don't have a moral sense. or where you're getting your, you know, your facts from. They're just trying to figure out a way to make this work. There's a small percentage, I think they call them the unisex people,

that there's a, that can be a DNA problem to where they're not quite sure about the sex, but it's like probably a couple hundred thousand, you know, out of... Well, I think that's what he meant when you're... 300 million, it's a small percentage. Some are born with issues. you know, physically and emotionally. That's why I say, no matter how we're born with our tendencies or whatever,

you know, we believe God loves everybody and is for everybody, and there's a way to be born again. And then the conversation changes about decisions you make in life. I mean, how we live our life and the decisions we make to me is God's business. You know, it's your business and it's God's business. So I think where the church gets off in this is they try to police behavior, that's not our role. Our role is to introduce Jesus, and that basis of grace is, that's what the Bible says, Titus too. The grace of God teaches us to say no.

And he'll tell you what marriage is. Yeah, you figure it out. That's why when people, they'll come, they'll try to trap you if you believe in Jesus. they're like, well, are you against this or for this or against this? You're like, I'm pro Jesus. I give people Jesus. And when they allow that to be the basis for their decision-making process, things change. Lives change, decisions change.

I want to bring up something since we're totally off the rails on this podcast. The guy sent me this because I brought up the idea about being born again. I'd never heard this. I wanted to ask you all this. it's a confusing passage but in 1 peter three of course he starts off talking about wives and husbands and our role from a spiritual standpoint and then he gets to verse 17 and he's talking about suffering for following jesus but it says it is better if it is god's will to suffer for doing good than for doing evil, which is an aha moment.

Then it says, for Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but made alive by the spirit. Now, this next phrase is the one I wanted to ask y'all's opinion about, because I've never really known, I've never really got my head around what this means, but in verse 19, it says, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison. So you're like, what in the world is that while he was dead?

Then he goes on to say, who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah. Now we're going to weigh back while the ark was being built. In it, only a few people, Aiden and all were saved through water. And this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you, and it's not a physical thing of taking dirt from the body, but it's the pledge of a good conscience towards God. What we were referring to is being born again. You know, Jesus saves you,

but you have this opportunity to surrender, make the pledge, reenact, his death, beryl, resurrection. So it saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ who has gone into heaven. Now, here's my take on this. This guy sends me this.

He's like, what do you think about this? this. And he sent me a video and some Bible scholar had come up with this about what that mean where Jesus went and preached to the spirits. Or maybe I should just ask you what y'all think that is now. Their spirits are in prison now. But when he was speaking to the people in the days of Noah, they were fully alive and fully cognizant of what he was saying, what God was saying through the spirit. He basically would say

you need to repent because if you don't, I mean, you're going to die. I'm going to drown you unless you repent because you got to remember their every thought was evil. So they were told and they said

Noah, you're an idiot. Do you think water's going to get right here? He says there's a big water coming. And And in fact, in Hebrews 11, it gave the impression that it hadn't even rain yet. Well, that plus by faith, Noah, when warned about things not yet seen. Now, the people who are now dead back in the days of Noah, they were all standing there. And by faith, Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, God told him, and holy fear built an ark to save his family.

By his faith, and here's the spirits who are now in prison who didn't listen before the flood. By his faith, he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. Eight people survived, Jace. Yeah. Because all the people that Noah was warning, they said, get out of our face. There's not going to be a bunch of water that's going to flood the earth. Are you crazy? Yeah.

And he stuck to his guns and you say, seven more believed it. But out of the entire population on planet Earth, eight believed it and got out. That's why I think you've got to be more positive about what's going on on our planet now. You know, when you're down to eight people, you've pretty much lost your moral compass. Look at where all the warnings. Look at all the warnings that God. given all the nations that ever were. But they all rise, Jace, all of them, and they all collapsed.

Well, you say, well, what happens? The same thing happened in the days of Noah. Now they're in prison. You know, they're lost. So what do you think, yeah? I think, I think, I think Dad's on target. Let's take our last break. I think that he's talking about the spirit that was present all the way

through. And it's kind of the Hebrews 13-8, you know, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, day, and forever. He's always been there, and so has the spirit, even way back in the days of Noah. And so that same spirit that spoke through Noah to speak truth into people that would not listen is the same spirit that goes present today. So I've always taken it as that, that was his focal point. I think there's actually more, there any good news on all of this, there are more, that in the days of Noah, there's a lot of mischief going home. I mean, you know. Because we're all flawed.

But there's a lot of people who love Jesus and have put their faith and trust in him and they're living out their purpose. Thank God for that, that we didn't get down to eight. Well, that's what I'm trying to be positive here. Well, look, and I believe the same thing, what y'all said about that. But this video, this guy sent me was very interesting. And look, I don't know if I agree with it because I haven't researched it. I just watched the video.

But I thought it would make an interesting conversation because this guy, he basically, I'm not real familiar with the book of Enick. Have you ever read that, Al? I haven't, but I've heard about it. Yeah. Well, this guy had read it. Now, Enick is referred to in Hebrews 11, 4 and 5. He was one of the guys.

There's been a couple of others. I'll read the Hebrews 115. It says, by faith, Enick was taken from this life. And he was the second. Probably Enoch. Well, Enoch, Enoch. Yeah. I mean, E-N-O-C-H was taken from this life so that he did not experience death.

He could not be found because God had taken him away. And when you read the version in, I think it's Genesis 5, he was like the seventh from Adam. He just didn't die. God just took him, sort of like Elijah. He was a very good man. Exactly. When God, the creator of the universe, just says, you know what, just come on. That means you have got it figured out.

You've done well. Yeah, you've put your faith and trust in God. I wouldn't say sinless, but I would say all of sinned. But I would just say, in the Enox case, he was so close. to being sinless that God said. I'll tell you what, you got a free ride. Come on up. So anyway, back to this guy's video.

So when it refers to in the days of Noah, somehow in the book of Enoch, he read this, which I've never read the book of Enoch. Me either. But he read that that reference of Jesus going back and preaching to the spirit in prison was in reference to that because evidently it references that in the book of Enoch.

but whether that's true or not was irrelevant the point the guy made it's not irrelevant but it's not my point the point he made i thought was really good he he was basically saying that it was about spiritual warfare and he and he referred to roman six which were in romans and he's like when jesus died basically up until this point every time the evil one when you read the verse that he was a murder from the beginning uh you read the Hebrews 2 that when Jesus came, he came to destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the evil one. His point, based on what he read in the book of Enic and the reference to the days of Noah,

was that when Jesus died, he went to those, that world and was, and basically preached the sermon, oh yeah, sorry, you have no control over me. that because and when you read the the passage in jude about those angelic spiritual world being bound since sodom and gamar he made that point also and so what i really love about this video was that he's like and now we reenact jesus death-barrel resurrection in baptism that he brought up and here was the point that i loved he's like don't think that when you go under that water because of the power of Jesus and the Holy Spirit that you're not declaring to the spiritual dark world and death, you are declaring that you have no hold on me over more. I got chills when I heard

him say that. You're leaving that. It's a great point. Yeah. And when you come up, God's Spirit is now indwelled you and you left that world. So I thought, you know what? I hope this is true because I really like it. Think about it, Jace. Everybody can look. And Al, when it came my time to make the decision or not, look at the change from the time I said Jesus is Lord and the old Phil Robertson died to sin because he was convinced Jesus died for his sin

and the old one was buried, died, buried. And just like Christ was raised from the dead, we too may live a new life. Well, just look at the new life from the time I was 28 to the time I was 75 and tell me that there's not a big difference there.

You said, well, what in the world happened to that dude? You see what I'm saying? Yeah. That's how powerful it is. Oh, exactly. Well, I know that was it. And you never know.

That was a deep subject, but I thought the physical and the spiritual, because when we think of a physical prison, we get that. we've said earlier that you can be free in Jesus inside a physical prison. But this idea of a spiritual prison and God, having it be impossible for death to keep its hold of it during that three-day period, him being able to declare in whatever way you declare in the spiritual world, the spiritual forces of evil, that our side is greater than you,

and we have the power over this once and for all, which I think makes sense tying into Enick because he didn't even experience that. God just took him. He just became eternal in that process, but we'll all have that process and that triumph over death, and we get to reenact it here. It's a good way to show you that we are made up of body, soul, and spirit. Yeah. I mean, it's a good way to look at it.

And you say because the people who have died before us, their bodies have long since melted away, but their souls and spirits. Yeah. Yeah. You know, don't worry about the one and get rid of the body. But all of the people that were preached to in the days of Noah, you say their spirits are still there. Yeah. That's why I brought this up because when you— And it's not bliss where they are.

When you use the term born again, I think a lot of people in terms, they use that as like it's just a phrase that doesn't have a lot of meaning they're like oh you know i'm a born again christian or whatever when you say you're born again you just said a mouthful yeah and i i brought this up because you're declaring to the spiritual world that i'm indestructible and you have no control or no power over me and yeah i might have been screwed up before this but i've been born again by the same peter that from your that's that's went through Noah and then when he preached to the spirits, right before you get to that,

at 122, now that you have purified yourself by obeying the truth, there's the gospel, so that you have sincere love for your brothers. There's a life change. Love one another deeply from the heart. Here's the reason, for you've been born again, not of perishable seed. Yeah. But of imperishable.

through the living and enduring word of God. All men are like grass and said they're here today and gone tomorrow, but the grass withers and the flowers fall. That's the human race. But the word of the Lord stands forever, and this is the word that was preached to you. It's awesome. Where's that, exactly?

That's First Peter 122 and following. Well, that was the foundation for getting to First Peter three. That is correct. Being born of imperishable sea, which having that knowledge that you're not bound by. the spiritual change that bound you. The spirit seals the deal, Jace. Yeah, and you have a body coming that's in Paris.

When I get the new body, first thing I'm going to do is challenge this arm wrestling guy, because then I'll have the tools. There'll be no breaking of the arm. You can arm wrestle. They balked in the days of there's a big bunch of water coming. And what Peter said was, eight and all were saved through water. And this water that saves the ones who said the eight symbolizes baptism. He says was built.

In it, only a few people. Eight were saved through water. You're like, what does it mean, Peter? Well, this water that saved them because they believed it, and they had a boat. And nobody else did because they said there will be no water. Well, bad move. That water that saved the eight symbolized baptism that now. saves you out. You're not taking a bath. Yeah. But you're...

Well, he was leading to Jesus. God is the boat. It saves you by the resurrection. You're putting your faith and trust. But I do think it's awesome. It is. To reenact that and in your mind, do what Jesus did in his death, which was declared to the spiritual forces of evil, you lose. When the people kind of held up there, they were all cut to the heart when Peter preached the same Peter, preach the same Peter, preached the gospel 30 years earlier when he was in the book of Acts and he preached the gospel and they said you killed the Messiah that's and but he's been raised from the dead they're like oh my goodness we by killing him that's going to save us Peter said now you got you now you understand

they said what do we do well he did say repent and be baptized yeah every one of you well that's his explanation 30 years later when he said, look, Noah preached to them, but they said, ah, get that, get that junk out of that. It's not going to be water here. There's never been water up here in the middle of the desert. If you got a better idea, good luck. All right, we got to go. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. and for even more content that you won't get anywhere else,

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