Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 322 | Si's Role on Jase's New Show & Why COVID-19 Didn't Stop Phil from Baptizing Believers

Episode Date: August 4, 2021

Jase talks about filming his new show’s pilot with Si and Jep and reveals which names the production team rejected. Jase and Al discuss the first thing they want to do right after a church service. Phil is confused by pescatarians, and Al describes himself as a Cajuntarian — someone who eats anything. And Phil talks about why he performed baptisms during the pandemic. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Jess, you've been, your last week has been interesting. Four days, about 12 hours a day. People follow me around. You're back in the game. So I got to give appreciation to Unashamed Nation. We had a plan about doing a show about our metal. detecting ventures. And you literally left it up to our audience as to whether you would try this or not because they overwhelmingly said, yes, we want this show. You spent the last four days

filming. Yeah, we actually filmed it. You know, we got a couple more days to go, but that's, you know, now you sit around and they ask you questions about it. They're like, you know, what happened when? You're in the interview phase. So they, I'm off today just so I could do this. And so they could gather themselves probably because this has been all day in a hundred degree heat and what's funny is dad it's made it's really i think it's reignited to his passion that he's wishing he could have been out there with you all for the yeah boy i hate i'm missing that so so what can i know you can't tell us everything but no i can't give us a little they said say nothing but i was like The people that I'm talking to.

It's our audience. That's right. We deserve something. So now it actually worked. I mean, the crazy part is this is that, you know, somebody had the bright idea to let SIE pick where we go. Because that was news to me. I didn't realize Sye was a part of the project. Well, because the unashamed listeners, remember, that was like, yes, do the show and include

side. Outside. We got a lot of feedback on the. What I didn't realize is this is, this is, this developed not really on the show, but just in, you know, real life, which, by the way, this was, if you want to just see some cameras, follow us around and, dude, this, this will be the show for you. Because they're like, what are we doing? Follow us.

Yep. Get your cameras out. You're putting the reel in reality TV on this one. But I didn't realize that size turned this into. his retirement plan, you know, because he's like, hey, I mean, I want to find things worth millions of dollars and I'm going to use y'all sweat. It's kind of what developed here. So it's funny size, he's the puppet master on this.

Yeah. And I'm throwing this person who had this idea for side to do that, but that was me. Because I thought, how could he screw that up? He wanted to be a part of it. So I'm like, well, read the letters from the listeners because they're saying, come hunt here. There's lost treasure. So I figured, so that's kind of what the premise

started and we just, we just, we go do it. I noticed there's more than one. There's a lot. You know, Jade fever, you see advertised. But treasure hunting in the human mind

for some reason seems to have always been there. We have this idea, even Jesus brought it. it up. When you find the gospel, you know, you find me. It's like hidden, my man went out in the field, a hidden treasure. Well, that's kind of a little concept there. They're looking. So they were doing it before a metal detector. I sure were. This goes back 2,000 years. I sure were. And there is something about fire. You know, you think about it. Human nature itself, they're always,

you know, you look at how many texts that Jesus said, you look for this, you look for that, you look for this, you look for temporary things. But I'm the one you need to find. I mean, It's search, search out, find me, you know, all the proverbs, you know, find out what wisdom is, real wisdom is. But he also turned it around where he's the human. In other words, this characterized us. We have this treasure and jars of clay. You're like, you're like, that's why you better hold on to that, you know, if you.

Well, I'm not sure I'm correct on this, but I think this is a correct story. I think it was 1940 something. some shepherd's kid those a rock you know somewhere around the dead sea it goes in a cave and he hears something break and so then they start looking and they find the dead sea scrolls which were some of the back to Isaiah and I mean all these great and that was a fine just in the 20th century literally treasure yeah exactly think of all the the phrases where he said seek and you shall find but actually Jesus turned it around where he was the detector. I mean, when he had the story in Luke 15.

This has multiple spiritual connotations. Yeah. If you would say, it is. It really. Well, I like the idea that, you know, people have to give you, like, it's people's property and, like, you have to go there. And, like, there's an interaction there. Oh, yeah.

That kind of stuff interests me. I mean, I was able to say, I found, on Jesus, I don't need any more treasures. Y'all hunting forever. Get out of it. I don't care. Yeah. Well, these TV people... I know one thing, it's not a sinful thing. What y'all are doing?

Scratching in the earth saying, whoa, here, what I have here? This was back in 1892. You know, it's... Man kind of lacks, you know, discovering secrets. That's right. Oh, I love this, you know. But these TV people found that out, you know, the first place we went. they knew who I was because they recognized them.

They're like, I told them what we're doing. They're like, man, you can knock yourself out. He said, but you can leave all those people wherever you found them. They looked at me. The crew. I said, hey, just look. I mean, let's just take this. So, Jay, you're already rich and famous.

So what's your motivation for doing this? I just like to hunt. I just like to hunt. lost things. I mean, honestly, Murray got me into this. It's fun for me, especially when there's not a real something I can eat season going on. But I just like to pursue. I like figuring out where this stuff is through maps and research and it's just lost. And I mean, I'm telling you, the biggest motivation is every time I go out there, I tend to think about God doing that in my life. pursue me the circumstances come up i hear his glorious message and then it's like he found me he

and so that's why i wanted to net we still got to come up with a name i came up with one i thought they would go with but they didn't because we got all these names from our listeners but they didn't like either they were already copyrighted or they didn't like them so i was like i got it dirt bags dirt bags they went no that has a negative connotation i said well wait a minute now we're digging in the dirt jays you being

you being on the earth is a negative connotation then i said i said look we're dirt bags before you know god moves in his grace and he cleans us up dirt bags still holds on to us you know that that's got a little grip on it they're saying that

idiot bunch of idiots That's what, when we dig in the dirt, we're looking for back to know. They're falling somebody they've never seen, and they're following somebody and been putting their life on it. Somebody that claimed he did something back here, the whole writings. But I read them, and I'm like, whoa, that's that's that's that's that's worth investigating. So, you know, I literally found Jesus through investigation, but I didn't investigate until I was going around around like a dog chasing his tail. And I'm like, I'm not on it. Whenever I was on.

Glenn Beck's show. He looked at me. First thing he said he said, I read your book, yours and Lisa's book. He said, you are a real dirt bag. Oh, really? That's what he said. Maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I said, I was shocked. I appreciate that, Glenn. He said, oh, don't take offense. I can out dirtbag. You're dirtbag. That's what he told me. Well, it helps his feelings. I said, you know, there's big, big time dirtbaggers. I took no offense because he was right on time. I think maybe you're on to something there, Jay's. I thought it applies to all human because at one time or another. We're all dirt.

And it takes me back. And we're digging into dirt. It tastes me back. It tastes me back. I mean, it's kind of a two-way I thought it would work. Remember after we had fit y'all because I wasn't there yet, but after you all filmed the first two episodes of Dynasty, there was still no name for it. And I can remember text chains going around, which I was a part of because everybody was trying to think of something. And we were convinced, you know, Willie wanted to call it Bayou big time.

Oh, boy. That was his. I didn't hear that. Oh, yeah. I'd have gave a thumbs down on that. Well, apparently they did too because that, I mean, he was convinced that's what it needed to be. And he was kind of the lead person there early. And so, and then Doug, as you came, and I remember everybody saying, this is about a Chinese restaurant.

I mean, just nobody liked it. None of us. I don't remember anything. I've had two ideas that didn't like either one. My first one was family jewels. Now, I think that's funny. Because it's a little low. But we're a fun.

Pun taking it. But we're... Shooting a little low. That's the low brown. There is a slang definition of that. But, I mean, I'm saying we're family. We're looking for jewels. And I thought...

And Jep's name is Jules. Oh, that's right. I didn't think of it. That's another little element. Because you got to remember, it's just us doing it. So it's different from what we did, you know, in Duck Dynasty. I mean, this here is just... they're just following us around.

I mean, I'm not sure how they're going to put all this together. I really sympathize with the person wherever they drop this footage off to and say, here you go. Turn this into 22 minutes. This is not going to hurt your pride if it goes kaput. It did bust, burst, whatever. No, but I will say this.

After four days, because we pretty well follow us and we filmed the four days. I actually, it was really phone. Because I got I was a hundred percent myself. I was like, this is what we, all these people, they had no idea what we're fixing to do. And they just, they just filmed it. And they'll put it together and we'll see. Your listeners may not realize what's fixing to come their way.

But in the way of all the human beings I've met on planet Earth, Murray Crow, who is with y'all on this, is a, has multiple skis. And I mean, that dude, he has a head on his shoulders, is what I'm saying. Because when they look at Murray, they're, oh, if they knew Murray Crow, like I know him, I'm the one that told him by Jesus, you know, and baptize him. But Murray, Murray is solid in the faith, but he is a highly intelligent man. Well, that's what really has been awesome. He's a great historian, by the way.

He is. And, I mean, he knows things and has ideas that you just. Look, I've been knowing him for years, but some of the things that happened, I mean, I had no idea. As far as Louisiana history goes, I mean, he is. Oh, his skill set legitimizes poor me and Jep. I'm just hunting in Jepts like a dare to headlights. If the artist just gets knowledge from listening to Murray Crow, it would be a pretty helpful thing. Yeah, sometime in the future when it's appropriate, I want to have Murray on our podcast,

and not just to talk about the show, but mainly to talk about his when he came to Jesus. I mean, you know, he's got a great story. Oh, yeah. And he's just our kind of guy. I love Murray. He's always been a, I don't know, just a supportive person, you know, to me. His brother was one of the greatest conversions I've ever seen. His brother, he brought him down there and he said, I'm worried about my brother.

You know, we need to get him on board with Jesus. I said, well, let's give her a world. So we went through the Bible study and we had another one. We had about three or four Bible studies. And he finally said, yeah, I think I should go to the river and let you baptize me. He said, but I don't think you have to. And I said, well, I said, just think about it. So I got up and he said, hey, where are you going?

That's Murray's brother. And Murray was there. I said, well, you said, you know, you might have a little epiphany somewhere in the future and we'll take you to the river and baptize you. But right now, let her ride. But he said, hey, I didn't say I wasn't going to do it. I'm just saying you don't have to do it. I said, well, we'll wait a while. And he said, I went out.

I said, let me give me a glass of tea. He said, hey, hey, where are you going? I said, well, you said, wait. He took over the Bible study. So I ended up trying to say, trying to talk him out of it. I said, well, don't do it. Just wait, you know, whatever. And he said, oh, no, I didn't say I wasn't going to do it.

I just said, I don't think I have to do it. I said. But he, he's your brother. How he embraced Jesus? I mean, what was this thought? Oh, yeah. Well, he just, that was his response. He was grappling with what baptism is.

Yeah, so I'd read him a few more texts. I said, you know, it's mentioned almost 100 times in the Bible there. And I said, you might ought to just take note of that. That's quite a bit. I said, and you never heard about it until Jesus showed up. And the guy who was paved in the way for Jesus became famous for it. I said, I'm just saying, it's mentioned a lot. Jesus had to go make disciples and baptize them.

So that's what I'm telling you right now. You'll be a disciple. If we go down there and I baptize you, Jesus said, do it. See right here, Matthew 28. So every time I would try to walk away from him, he would say, whoa, who, where are you going? Wait a minute. I'm still. So we went down to the edge of the riverbank.

He's still saying, I just don't believe it. But, you know, but if we said, well, what's weight then? No, he said, no, no. It ain't that I'm not going to do it. I'm going to do it. I said, well, he shook his head all the way down the water. I said, Murray, your brother has a hard end. He said, I know it.

I've been dealing with him for years. But he did do that. He's passed on now. And between you and me, I'm glad he did. Well, let's take a break. So I said, I wouldn't have judged him either way. Well, yesterday, you know, we had several baptisms at WFR. And one of them was a police officer that listens to the podcast.

and so he brought his family down. But I didn't know it. He had been communicating with Godwin. He listened to the podcast that Godwin was on here. And Godwin shared his testimony. And so he said, when I heard God was testimony, for some reason, I mean, it just penetrated me. He said, I've watched that episode about 10 times since because I was like, why is this so powerful to me? So something about John's story.

So he reached out to John and he said, I want to come to West Monroe and I want you to baptize it because your story is what impacted me. And so yesterday he was there, had his family, great guys from Oklahoma, and John baptized him. But there were several other ones. Yeah, that one from American Samoa. Yeah, I made him too. I said, how's it going? Where are you from? I thought he fixed to say, you know, well, you know, some state, he said, Samoa.

I said, Samoa. I said, as in the middle of the ocean, he said, oh, yeah. Yeah. I said, you know, how did you end up way over here, you know? Well, I was in the Army, you know. And he made a career Army guy. truck driver mechanic. Yeah, I met him.

And he ended up being a truck driver, you know. But he, I loved it. I said, I believe you're the one that came to father's away. You get the father's to way. So he came in to, he came over. Great guy. To our place before he came into your place. And I shook his hand.

He started crying. And he kind of apologized. He said, I don't know why I'm so emotional. I said, well, I do because you're submitting your life to Christ. I mean, if there's something to get emotional about, that's it. Life and immortality was fixing to be he is. and he moved on it. So I mentioned, Jace, after the, at the end of the baptisms,

they had announced that our friend Clark Smith passed away this weekend. Did you know that? I didn't know. He died of a heart attack a couple of days ago. And young guy, I mean, he's our age. I say young. He's probably in between you and me. And I told the story about, you know, it's all when something sudden tragic like that,

it's tough, obviously. And so we. I like the word departed instead of passed away. Yeah, me too. And so that's what I say. I said, you know, I remember the night at the marriage retreat. Late in the night, Jason and Missy had been studying with Clark and Debbie. All night.

All night. Yeah. And then, and so I said, and then he got baptized. He finally, you know, embraced Christ and he got baptized in a hot tub. Well, that was cold. That was cold. But it was 28 degrees out. There was a lake out there.

And he's like, I want you to baptize me now. And I thought, well, we need some. water and uh he's like there's a lake out there i was like it's 28 degrees out there and so they went down to the the was it a hotel what was it yeah it's like a resort yeah it's like a resort yeah they said we have a hot tub but they were renovating they just put it in i was like perfect was he's got water yeah but but it was it was cold i mean it was near freezing better not it well yeah i mean it was so i made the point that because we had just witnessed all of baptisms and they had just announced that this had happened. So a lot of people are obviously

close to him and were shocked because they didn't know he had passed away. And it was a heart attack so it happened quickly. And so I said, you know, that he was prepared for last night because that was like Saturday night. I said he was prepared for what happened. He, because he's there now. But he did that because he gave his life to Christ and submitted himself to him all those other years ago. And that's what we live for. So I was like, as much as I want to pray for Debbie, and John Clark and their family, because I know how tragic it is to lose somebody so quick. At the same time, I'm not, he's in heaven. Like, I mean, he won the race, you know, so a guy like that, you know,

I just thought in that moment, we were watching all those new bursts that it's a reminder that you want to be ready for the day, because it's coming for all of us, you know, where there's a heart attack. Yeah, they were really good friends. They were in our house church for years. I know. Great family. So anyway, we, you know, talked about that.

But then I also talked about a guy named Brady who's 21 years old. He's from Oklahoma. And so he had sent an email to Bonnie initially. And then Bonnie forwarded it on to me. And sometimes it takes a little while before we. My assistant. Yeah. We get to people.

And so he told me that he had, he was had terrible, you know, he hadn't been living right, isolated, college student. And he said, but I started listening to the podcast. He said him for the last year. I mean, I finally figured out, Jesus is Lord. but he hadn't been baptized yet. But he didn't say about coming down here, which a lot of people do. But he was like, I know you know some people in Tulsa. Can you get me connected?

So I sent me email back and I said, I'll have somebody talking to you within the hour because I got some Troy Tabor and some buddies up at Park Plaza. And so they called him. He drove up to Park. They baptized him. And then they sent me some video of him get baptized and some pictures. So I hadn't met Brady. He listens to the podcast.

So congratulations. Brady, he did the right thing. But I love the picture they sent because everybody's kind of locked arm and arm. There was eight or ten on there. And I was telling our church, I said, you know, this is what happens when you surrender and then find your forever family. Because here was a guy that felt isolated and alone, you know, just when he was not living right. And now of a sudden you got these people with their arms around him. You know, right there he never met before. He's got all this forever family. So I just thought it was really special, the idea that that's what we're born into when you're the new birth is you're born into a forever family.

And so when we meet people just like yesterday and I was watching all these people, it's just, it's very inspiring. And I know the podcast is helping a lot of people get there, which is a, I guess it's an honor for us, you know, to be able to do. So, but that was a good day. And then you baptized, or somebody baptized the, uh, the, the Samoan. A Samoan. Yeah, they did.

We had some businesses there. One, one couple came down. He said he was with a Minanite community. I said, well, good to have you. And I think his dad was an evangelist. But they were there celebrating their wedding, their honeymoon. So they dropped by. I thought that was pretty cool.

That's pretty funny. Yep. Come to Monroe. Great little couple. For your honeymoon? He asked me, he said, do you have any advice for you? People that just recently married, you know, on the last day or two. I said, I bet you, I know the verse you quoted.

What's that? It's better not to. People will face many troubles in this life. I didn't give him that, but I didn't want to spook him. I did tell them, I said, be patient with her cooking, my friend. I said, so I said allow time for growth in the cooking arena. I said, and you would do well, lady, if you would learn how to cook, learn how to cook. Well, you have to eat or you starve to death.

I said, so y'all be patient with each other, love one another, be quick to forgive each other, and you'll be okay. If she grew up in a Miner Night family, odds-owned, she probably knows how to cook. Probably so. I'm not sure what that is, a minute-in-night. They're basically, from what I gather, and they're Amish that have embraced a lot more of... The Amish don't accept them because they embrace technology. I didn't really care about their names or anything else, you know.

I know they had faith in Jesus Christ, so his death, barrel, and resurrection. So I'm all in with the Mennonites, Amish. But you got a manor, when I went to that, did that event in the Amish community that I told you about, I learned that there's different levels. of, I mean, some of them do have a little technology. It's kind of like whatever, your clan.

By the way, a lot of their issues that concerns people of this day, every group who follows Jesus. This Romans 14 deals with a lot of different differences that just show up, whether it be intake of food, whether it be whether you take pharmaceuticals or not, or whether you, how much do you trust the government? and are you rebellious against. So all these factors come up in Romans 14, 13 and 14. Do you agree?

Oh, I do. And in fact, yesterday we really could learn a lot from 13 and 14 as a group of individuals with all of the various personalities and customs, you know, to bring everybody together under one head. Right. Even Jesus. It's quite the task when it gets down to food. intake. There's been this argument about food and rules surrounding what you eat and, you know,

whatever, but food has been kind of like a centerpiece that the human race has been fighting over, fighting about for 2,000 years or before then, the Old Testament even. It goes way back and it could have been, let's take another break. It goes way back and you're right that it. This could have been, of course, the way I look at it, just looking at the text, when he's talking in 13, he's talking about how we respond to governing authorities. Then he talked about how. Starts out with loving each other too. And then he starts out with how we respond to the people around us, you know,

which is your neighbor, which that means in the church, out of the church, whatever. And then he talks about your behavior, how you respond to your own inner self that you should always respond in light. And all the rules surrounding how, you know, a lot of people say, oh, it's a Jim DeMint, one of the previous politicians said,

we're portrayed in some circles as the religion religion is hate you see what i'm saying right it's hate because you know people can bust in on your life you know and start making one rule after the other and the creeds that are all up there in front of them instead of the word of god the creed kind of rides heard on the bible so you just you run into all kinds of issues well i made the point that paul uses two illustrations when we get to 14 about food, meat in particular, because that was an issue in the first century, especially. And then he talked about days, certain days that were viewed as, you know, this is something I want to celebrate. And other people said, no, you can't celebrate this day.

Plus, if you live by a code that had food laws for 1,500 years to break that up and to say, there are no more food laws, you know, he sent him a giant movie screen out of heaven, You know, it had four-footed animals, the birds, and the creatures that move along, everything. You can pretty well eat or whatever. And he said, arise, killing each, you know. Right. No more food laws. That shockwave is still here to this day.

Well, you know why I've got a theory on this. When what's the first thing you do? Because now here you've got modern Christianity. We all meet at the church building. Yep. What's the first thing you do as soon as the service. is over. Go eat.

You said, what are we going to eat? So controversy ensues. That's right. Because I learned about in year one. Can you eat? Take a bite while you're inside the hallowed halls of a church building or do you have to wait out, go outside? And look, I learned in year one of my marriage when my wife would say, when she'd say,

where are we going to eat? If I said it doesn't matter, that's the worst thing you ever. She wants you right then to make a decision. Now, I don't mean she's going to agree with it, but it's better off than say it doesn't matter. Then it's like, what are we going to do? Well, we go through Romans 13 and 14. It's for everyone to read, no matter how strict they are against various rules on what you eat and what you don't eat. it's all right here that I'll just give you a little update, an overview here.

It's love your God, love Jesus, and cut your neighbors some slack on all these issues about food and drink. Well, my point was that we all eat. I mean, you have to eat. So I think if it's something that everybody has to do to live and then we're all different, It's just something that's going to be controversial. No, but I thought about it when you said that. What is it? What is it by the distance?

It's over at our church at WIFR because sometimes I walk over to the other, we have two services running simultaneously. I'll walk over to close out the other service. And there's a stampede of people coming out of that service. Most of them are recovery houses and they're trying to get off drugs and alcohol and doing great and fine Jesus. But they're all, it's like a herd heading out back to smoke a cigarette. because they've been in there for an hour and a half,

and it's time for a smoke. But even that would have been controversial. You know, there would have been a period of time. You're not endorsing that either. No, I don't want them to smoke. But at the same time, saying they got a lot of stuff they're grappling with. We'll deal with cigarettes when we can get there.

But at one time, I would have been saying, no, or leaders in our church would have been saying, you can't smoke on the premises, you know, even if you're outside. But I'm looking at it now. I'm like, you know, they smoke. but they're really getting their lives in a great place. Do I want to come in to start dictating who can smoke a cigarette or take a dip or go down that road? I remember I did a, this place asked me to come to a speech or whatever.

It was a local thing. They're like, we'll pay you. And I was like, I mean, don't worry about it. It was a small little congregation. And I fished around there and hunted and eventually metal detects. I was like, it's just, I'm maybe 30 people. I got up there and gave it everything I had because I thought this community here,

you are the people as God's representatives. Y'all need to go out. Y'all know everybody here. Go out and get them hit, share Jesus, and be hospitable. So when I was finished, the guy that kind of ran things, he said they're not going to do that.

and I thought, here we go, Mr. Negativity. And I said, you don't think? He said, nope. I said, why not? He said, because they might come. And I thought about it. I was thinking, what's his point? But he was like, we don't want them in here.

You know what? They're too rough. They're not like, I mean, I was thinking, well, you know what? At least he's honest. Well, it's packed pretty tight when they finally gets set to the end of Romans 14, the kingdom of God, that's us, is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace for crying out loud, and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by man. Let us therefore make ever effort to do what leads

to peace and to mutual edification. And I would say, it's just, not written in stone on every little move you make while your own planet are there, including the intake of food or smoke a cigarette. That's the thesis. You're right. And he repeats that in two or three different ways. But what got me was, so I used, I said, he uses two illustrations here, food and holidays, in essence.

I said, it's been 2,000 years since he wrote this. Do you think the church at large has gotten the message? Have we done well with this concept or poorly? I would say we have done poorly. Because think about all the schisms and splits and splinters off of that because we've been missing. There's 25,000, somebody said, of different groups all coming out of one book. Yeah. You said, wait a minute here.

We ought to be able to come together on God becoming flesh, Jesus, dying on the cross to remove our sins. Right. And that's for everybody, the world, put in a tune. Soon, three days later he's resurrected. It looks like we could stand on that. We're under grace and not law, which is a wonderful thing. But for the life of me, out, it's a slow slog. My point was we, through the thousands of years, we have not listened to this passage.

I mean, we have done just the opposite. In fact, I can remember growing up, and people would go to this passage to make rules for people. And I was like, his point was, don't make the rule. Look, and the rulemaking part, the creed becomes more important and more focus on it than the Bible itself. Because he actually took up, I mean, what? Stay away from creed is all I can tell you. It wasn't like he wasn't speaking directly toward us. I mean, he brings up people who eat meat versus those who are vegetarians.

But then he plainly says, the man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, which, I mean, I know he was talking about our state. specifically there, because outside of our state, I don't know if anybody else eats everything. Well, the reporter, she was a female, and she told me, she said, I just don't think you ought to eat meat. I said, I said, because of religious reasons, she said, no, I'm not religious at all. She said, I don't, I'm not religious. She said, I just don't think it's right for you to eat meat. I said, well.

She obviously hadn't read Roman Fort Ten. Well, that's correct. I said, well, who told you that it's wrong? Where did you learn that, that we shouldn't eat meat? And she said, I just don't believe it. I mean, I believe we shouldn't eat meat. And that includes you. I said, well, I don't care if you eat it.

I said, so what do you eat, veggies? Veggis? She said, yeah. I said, well, great. I said, but why would you worry about what I'm eating? And she said, well, I just don't think it's right. I said, so it's not religious reasons. Is it some kind of code within a group of people?

You all just kind of reached and got that one, and you bind that on people. I said, it was these texts all put together here, but she wasn't even religious. No, she just. And still wanted me to monitor what I eat according to what she thought. I think there's a lot of the people out there like that who would say the same thing. I know it. And that's the part of the point. Let's take another break.

But she left happy, by the way. She did. And she told me she tried duck on her way out of town. So maybe you had an impact. What did she say? She said, I tried duck. Your dad recommended a restaurant that where veggies was there. She went to cotton.

And then while she was there in honor, I guess, of her conversation with you, she tried a duck fight and said it was delicious. So, Jay's, I used the illustration of my next-door neighbor, John and Chris Howard, who's Corey's parents, they're pescatarians. Pescatarians. Which I had to look it up years ago when they told me they were pescatarians. I was thinking they eat roaches. You know, the first time.

I heard that. That would be pestatorians. First time I ever heard that term was, I hate to say, it was in a Duck Dynasty episode, but something they asked me what it was or something. And I mean, I'm like, I had never heard that. I had no idea. I said something that didn't even apply. People thought it was funny and they thought I was in on the joke, but I didn't know.

I'd never heard. I had no idea. So a pescatarian is that they don't eat meat. but they do eat meat that swims. They don't eat anything that walks around. Well, they do eat meat then. They do eat meat, but only what's in the sea or the lakes. I mean, it's got to be fish.

Water feed the fish. Why they call it a pescatian? Why don't they call it a scaletarian? Because they have scale. Well, I guess skin, like a swimmeritarian. What's pesca? Well, I didn't do an, you know, etymology search on the word, but it probably has some kind of background of fish.

it's mainly fish but then they eat shrimp so fish are in shrimp are in crawfish are in if it's in water they'll eat it now and so i made the point that the reason they decided to try this is because johnny had colon cancer 20 years ago found said he has colon cancer and he reads and he reads some thing pesca is the sport or business of catching fish there you go well that's where it comes i figured it had some root turtles are in the water yeah they're would eat turtle. Oh. Anything that's in the water, they eat. Shrimp. What about a coffee? Fish, they eat it. I guess because it's most of the strongly do they, but I don't think that they put that. No, so that was, so here's my point. My point was, they've been doing this 20 years. It's their

lifestyle now. And they did it because they thought it would help Johnny not, you know, helping with this colon cancer because they say red meat's bad for if you have colon cancer. I don't know, some report or something. So they just. decided to try this. Nothing about telling you what you could eat or you can't eat. So they don't bind this on others. No. And that was my point. I said, so I told him, Jason, I said, I'm a Cajun-Tarian. And a Cajun-Tarian, which I just made this term up, is anything that goes in the pot. Yeah. That's what a Cajun, because occasionally will eat anything. That's where Gumbo was invented. Oh, yeah. So I'm a Cajun-Tarian because I made a

A jambalai day before yesterday that contained both crawfish and shrimp. Yep. I just never tried it before. I said, let me just sit, pardon. Across over. How was it? It was outstanding. Yeah.

It was a jambolae, and I didn't wait to right toward the end because they didn't get the shrimp out in time to throw them out. They were frozen shrimp. They ran out of shrimp up here. We get trucks coming up in here. Most of it's fresh, but some of it's not. But it was frozen. And I said, oh, I didn't even think about that. So I just broke off a big block kind of, and I just dropped it in there.

Well, that kind of got in the way of my rice being fluffy, that big thing of frozen shrimp. And look, normally I just wait until the jamble I was done, put the shrimp and the green onions in, make a couple of tosses and let it steam about 10 and 15 minutes. But in this case, I said, well, I've got these shrimp here. They're in there. but it made my rice a little not as fluffy as it should have been. That was the only downside. But about the second day on the jambalaya, my rice began to get fluffy when I'd warm it back up.

So it took about three days to eat it all. But we ate every little piece right down to the, that thing had bacon in it, ground sausage, link sausage, garlic, onions, one bell pepper. and that's what the concocture was. Rice and shrimp and crawfish. That's an ultimate Cajunitarian meal. Yeah. So I made the point.

That was clean your cabinets out and whatever you got, throw it in it. I've been there. So I made the point that my relationship as a brother in Christ to my neighbor, John and his wife, Chris, has no, it doesn't change because they're pescatarians. In fact, when Lisa makes a big veggie meal, then we always send the leftovers over to Johnny and he loves it. So. So we embrace that. So how do human beings within all of this various idiosyncrasies pertaining food and what do you say and stuff?

You said food and something else. And holidays, certain days. Special days. So how does a human being get to the point? I believe I'm there. It doesn't bother me. What you're eating. I don't care.

Go ahead. Right. I mean, you said, well, tomorrow is a holy day to me. I said, whatever. And I go for it. But it doesn't bother me to acquiesce and say, look, in the grand scheme of things, what Jesus did for us is bigger than this. We can get along, and we don't have to agree on every little issue as far as what you're taking into your body. And I would say it gets down into the pharmaceutical issue.

I'm not going to let them vaccinate me. I just don't think it's right. I looked at it and said, I tell you what, I'm not the most faithful. person in the government that there is, especially in these modern times with what's going on now, when the Marxism is beginning to roar, roar into the picture. It doesn't bother me, though, if when someone says, do you think you trust the medical profession long enough to be vaccinated on the COVID? You were vaccinated? Sure, I was. I said, that's what he's saying. I just went, I said, I went, duh. It's not a matter of life. I know, but you never said, you, I wasn't

But some, for religious reasons or whatever, they say, I'm not going to do it. Well, I told them, and they said, what do you think? I said, if you don't want to take it, don't take it. It's up to you. I said, but I've made the choice. I think I never had COVID. And now there's a vaccine to protect me from getting COVID. I think I'll just get the vaccine.

So I trust the government that much. Right. A lot of people on Facebook. He's saying you're on. No? You're on Facebook? No. Well, we talk to people who are on the, they say, what are you talking about?

I thought you secretly had joined Facebook. They were blaming me because I said, look, I was vaccinated. I think it would just prudent to do so. It's a medical profession. I've said, look, this is a vaccine. It'll help you with this disease. Well, I've been to polio when nobody was arguing about it when it came time. to take that vaccine. Everybody got on board. Apparently, I was reading an article, let's take her last

break. I was reading an article, dad, where a lot of people did feel that way about it and didn't take it and got polio. That's right. And then dealt with it. So I'm saying, you know, it's a person's choice. And look, I haven't talked about it on here, but I got the vaccination as well, but Lisa doesn't want to get it. I mean, it's my wife. And I'm like, okay, you know, I mean, I feel like I'm consistent because I wasn't afraid of the virus because I figured if the Lord decided he was going to take me via COVID, I'm fine. But then when the vaccine came out, I'm also not afraid of that. I have no fear here, one way or the other.

It looks like the government's headed toward a situation where if you don't take the vaccine, they begin to punish you for not doing so. Or make people to this. Which I think is wrong. I mean, I agree with you. I think it's your choice. The people mainly of the South are the ones that the media, according to what I've heard.

I haven't heard it with my own ears, but I've heard my buddy's talk and all. They're like, they're just ripping the people of the South. They're saying it's up Trump people, but that's really not true. They won't get vaccines. And we're all going to die

because the people in the South won't get the vaccines. But what you just described is true. I mean, I don't know if I've shared this, you know, Missy got the vaccine because she couldn't go to Cole's graduation in California without it.

Well, that's what the government. What's doing? I don't like it. I don't like it. But, but, well, here's the deal. She gets the vaccine. And then, you know, her left leg goes numb for two days. It was, it, it, it, her words, it was the worst pain she's ever experienced in her life. So she had a reaction to it. She had a reaction to him. Which is fair. Which other people were telling us, well, don't tell people that, you know, on your podcast, because they won't get it. I'm like, wait a minute. It happened. That happened. Now, does it mean, do I have any sign? No, my wife who has been the most healthy person I've ever known, she doesn't get sick. Y'all know that.

She never gets sick. But she wanted to go see her son graduate, and she didn't want to take the vaccine, but she did it. And then she described it as more painful than having three kids. I mean, she's like, it was the worst. Of course, then she wouldn't go to the hospital because she's like, well, I don't want to make it worse because they gave me this. I mean, she just went off the worst.

rails there for a while. But, I mean, she healed up, she got better. Who knows what that was, but it was some kind of reaction. Right. My blood clot or something. I mean, I was watching her because I thought if she gets where I think that her life is in danger, I'm taking her to the hospital. Because there had been some bad reaction. If I had to put her over my shoulder. So constitutionally speaking, a person has the right, in my opinion, to reject pharmaceuticals being put in his, he has a her body if they want to. So I'm not telling us. I'm not telling them look, it's mandatory, you've got to do it. I would recommend it, but if you say I'm not going to do it, I'm like, you're called.

It violates your conscience. Right. But, Phil, my point is the media for ripping people of the South and the ground, they're not reporting what happened to my wife. I mean, I'm not making this up. You know, I have no reason to say, well, look, I'm just telling you what happened. Well, if I was somebody considering taking the vaccine and I heard that, I'd think, you know, I don't know if I want to take that or not.

That's where Lisa is. She couldn't walk for two days. Well, I mean, you can do with it what you want. I lean toward people having the vaccine, even though my wife had that happen. But I fully understand if somebody says, you know what, I'm going to take my chances. That's right. Or they say, well, what happened to your wife may happen to me? That's something you need to consider because that happened.

Well, and that's what's going to happen with Lisa. The first time she can't, we've got a trip scheduled to the Bahamas and she can't go because she ain't time of vaccine. she's probably going to get the vaccine. Well, Missy probably told her what happened to her, and that may be, you probably found out the real reason she don't want to do it. Well, that, and we have another friend, Laura, who has had some heart issues since she took the vaccine. And there's a rare cases where it does affect people, you know, in that way.

And so, you know, I mean, it's out there. It's true. Everybody has to make a decision on what you want to do. I had no fear either way. I had no problems either way. You know, I said, I told Lisa, I guess if I'd have I to drop dead, then you said, yeah, that's why I didn't take the virus, but I didn't. But if you get the virus and that case you, then you say, well.

So the point I think is, I'm glad you brought it up. That's a good kind of hot topic issue going on right now. But that's not a matter of faith. In other words, should you look down on somebody because they're really strong, but I don't want to take it on. You're not doing the right thing. You're putting people in danger. It's not a matter of faith.

And that's exactly what this is. It's really not a matter for governments to decide. No. in my opinion it's not i mean what are we doing here yeah it's like missy was the only person of her the member of my family who hadn't got it yeah she hadn't got it but she went and took the vaccine because she had to that's what i did i didn't get it but then and she didn't i don't know what she got then but she couldn't walk for two days i mean she got something yeah that was weird and so i don't know she she's she's not happy about it i mean she's not out there on the

the street saying don't take it she's just thinking you forced me to do something that i just decided not to do but because i everybody else had got it and she she thought she was immune just because i'm married to her yeah i got it and she still didn't get it they might want to cancel me for my logic but i just thought i said i baptized a couple of hundred people in two years on the coronavirus during its heyday. I couldn't baptize them and stay six feet away from them. Baptism is you... It's intimate.

You're close. You're close. And I have their hands and my hand is on their back and they're eased down in the water. So I just weighed it and I said, well, we have a government mandate that says I have to stay six feet away with a mask and I can't touch them. But I said, so what are we going to do? Just tell them to go on until the coronavirus. virus, I said, the Bible said, Jesus said, go make disciples and baptize them. Good enough for me.

So I'm carried out instructions from the one who died and was raised from the dead. I said, let's just go with the one who raises the dead. Because if this kills us, he'll raise us up. So that was my logic. And they would say that, idiot. But I mean, that's the way of my view of it. Right. And we found out. So I never had it. And I had every opportunity to get it, at least 200, I mean, I'm close proximity. So say what you will. My conscience told me, I'm not going to say there's no baptisms around here to the coronavirus leaves. I mean, how would that fit? Well, we're working on this for two years now, but it's pretty evident that the main people at risk were older people or people who already had some things wrong with them. And those are people that

have died. But when you look at everybody else from 65 and down, not many, you're, you're Well, there's some. I talk to a physical. Percentage-wise, you're talking about 99. I mean, that's true. But I think there's been some people that have been healthy in the tip-top shape and died from it. True. Which I'm in it.

You say, well, how do you know that's a fact? Because just because I met a guy who was a physical therapist who deals with corona patients when they get out of the hospital. And he said most of them had health issues. He said, but there was a couple of guys who were at the top of their. health workout marathon runner or whatever and i was like really i was surprised but he said yeah i mean it happens but still i don't think it changes the point right it it ultimately comes to you but of course i had this discussion with someone and they they kept saying well that you wear a seatbelt you know they were trying to make analogies on with the mask shouldn't you have a right not to wear a seatbelt i was

kind of like, you know, I think I should. Honestly, I mean, I don't think that should be against the law. Does the, is, am I putting my life more in danger? Yes. But do I wear my seatbelt? Yes. Because, you know, I got in the habit of it. And, but I do think it's a little different when you're putting something new in your

body. I just think you should have that right. You have the right to make the call, I think. Or to, and to wear the mask. I mean, because I don't like wearing the mask. It's, it, I can't breathe. I have sinus trouble already, but they're forcing me every time I get on an airplane in an airport for eight hours to have breathing difficult. I like wearing the mask. I'm not so, you know, recognizable. I just like this old hobo wearing a mask.

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