Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 330 | The One Party Phil Definitely Wants to Attend & Why Christians Are the True Secret Service

Episode Date: August 18, 2021

Jase believes that Christians are the original Secret Service. Phil and Jase discuss why they would both want to attend a certain type of party and why belief in the Lord is more powerful than death itself. Jase and Al talk about how a sermon can be a real teaching moment — especially when the listener sees it come to life. And Phil and Jase believe that everybody needs a person who’s willing to ask them the hard questions. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I'm some weird people out there. I'm glad we're real normal, but there's a lot of twisted individuals running right out of here on plane earth. But your wife bought that, not me. I mean, no, Dan probably bought that. That was probably a Dan person. I don't know whether it was that word, then there were those words.

Dan is usually the one that stocks our setting here. And on the side, if you turn it like this, you say, contains no policy. styrene foam. I guess ready, set, go with no foam. No polished iron, I guess. So you don't read cups. So dad says, be careful, you'll end up in my,

you'll wind up in a sermon. I realize you are taping this. This is all bonus material, yes. Look at my cup, dude. Look what I got. This was from a secret service agent that listens to our show. But since you're not in the secret service. Yeah, but I'm drinking coffee out of a secret service mug.

You'll find out. I got that goal. You'll find out about people everywhere but with us, with us, secret. We live in secrecy. It's a service. Can you keep a secret? Are you making a spiritual application? So are we the secrets?

I guess we are the secrets. Because we know the secret of eternal life. And we're in service to it. That's pretty good. Well, but where was that? There's, there's, when Jesus did the sermon on the Mount, I've always noticed that he, he mentioned three times when he got to the end about fasting, praying.

What was the other one? And giving. It was like the father who sees what is done in secret. He keeps saying that. Yeah. He's like, don't, when you pray, don't go stand on the corner and blast off and show ever one how great you are. He's like, but go in your closet and pray and there your father who sees what is done in secret.

I've had some readers. Funny you brought that up because I haven't included it in the listener questions, but I've had lately about three different listeners ask us about prayer. Two of them said they have a problem like keeping their focus. Like when they start praying, then they wander off and start thinking about everything else. which I told one of them I respond to, but I said, look,

that's kind of common, but you've got to look at prayers more a conversation, I think, just with the Almighty. It doesn't have to be, you know, I'm going to help you out today.

For some reason, when you get about 75, your prayer is almost constant. Well, that's kind of hot. Before you put your head, before you sleep, my,

I have a constant prayer that always is about the same thing. Thank you. Thank you. It's a prayer of thanks. Right. But when other people pray, I mean, how many prayers have you heard in your life? Thousands.

How many do you remember? Not many. Same as sermons. Yeah. This sermon I heard the other night, they had a live revival for like three days during the week. And Missy and I, we've gone to it before. And they had, what got my attention is they all. this Robert Medea, which I'd heard him a couple years ago in Nashville at a worship conference.

That's the one that Phyllis and Tony had heard. This guy. Before they met us, they heard him, and he was talking about, in his sermon, they were out there listening. They were, they didn't know about us yet. They're still looking. And he talked about not giving up on your pursuits and whatever, but it spoke directly to them and where they were in that moment. This guy you're talking about,

that's weird. I like this guy. And then they were like, and then right after that is when they found us. So they were like, they took that as a, you know, that was meant for them.

But it was the same guy you're coming. I've been in Jesus long enough to know that it's not him. It's, it's the spirit. Right. It's God uses. He's just a best. People.

Yeah. But I like it because he's relatable. Kind of funny, entertaining. So it, you know, it keeps your attention. But he brought up that point.

He did a sermon on, John 11 and 12 and it was called unspoken sermons. But he made that illustration the difference in listening and hearing, which I thought about the Matthew 13, you know, when they got into the discussion about why Jesus uses parables, which is people don't really talk about that. I'd like to hear y'all state. let me read it and y'all tell me what you think because while you're there one of the things that if you if you ever want to say you listen to what jesus said he's the model and i said jesus said after the after the after his uh the attitudes the last little statement one of the last little

statements he said is give the give to the one who ask you and do not do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. And I gave him a little update. I said, there's a redneck lives about a mile from me, and his yard is littered with equipment, all kinds of equipment. I said, most of that equipment belongs to me. I said, he didn't steal it.

It's in his yard. I said, he just forgot to bring it back. I said, so Jesus said, give the ones who want to borrow from me. well I hadn't even walked out the door and some dude come walking up that was in the audience and he said he said he said Jesus said alone the ones who want to borrow from me I said yeah that's what he said he said I need $20 I'm running low this week so I thought well he said he said he just praised it he said and you said if I ask you for 20 he said Jesus said you know give it to me

I said, I got my bill full out. I got out $2.10 bills. I hand them to him. I said, that's what he said. I said, now look, if you go drink this up with wine or whiskey, I said, it's on you. I said, plus when you borrow something, I said, you bring it back. I said, you're going to pay me back? He said, oh, I'll pay you back.

Has he paid you back? Yeah. No. Okay. So he must have forgot that you gave it. Well, look, he was here. He didn't slick me. This is my point.

He said, you said, Jesus said, loan to the ones who barbed me. You tapped on the sermon. It's kind of like our kids, you know, when you're raising up. He was hearing you, but he wasn't necessarily listening. There's a difference. And my point is, that's what happens in sermons, because the guy was preaching, and he's like, I've had people come up and say, that's the best sermon you've ever preached. And he's like, well, that was probably the best sermon.

time you ever listen. It's a two-way street. I mean, you can just come in there and let it go over your head or for some reason not participate. So out of all the thousands of sermons that I've heard and that you've heard, if you made me get it down to the most memorable ones, it'd be less than 20. But there's about 20 that I'll think back. Of course, this was one of them. It was one of the 20, and he's got another one inside the top 20. That's pretty good. Because he preached, the last time I heard him, it was that water to the wilderness.

And look, it wasn't like he'd come up with something that was not there in the Bible, but I just never thought about. You know, Jesus has this moment. He gets the Holy Spirit. God gives him his identity there when he said, I mean, he didn't have to do that. He did that for us.

But he's like, this is my son, whom I love. and I'm well pleased. And I love the spiritual application of that to us when we're baptized of God declaring that. We give the spirit, and that's where your identity comes from. I mean, God said, this is my son or this is my daughter. And so it's like the greatest moment, or one of the greatest moments, I guess, the virgin birth, and then this happening because he gets the spirit and starts his three in ministry.

and what's the next thing that happened? 40 days in the wilderness. Well, that can't be an accident. I mean, that's what happens to us. When you find Jesus... That's why the guy that wrote you the letter of the day said, he basically was saying, but I'm still addicted to porn and I'm still...

I mean, I'm not deserving. I'm not deserving of being called a son of God. I'm too sinful. He was having a hard time. realizing he was clean and he had a fresh start. Yep. And he had imperishable seed in him, the spirit. He just thought it would all go away.

That's why I've amended it. He forgot the 40 days in the wilderness. That's why I've amended, that's why I've amended my approach to the fundamental principles that I'm sharing somebody with. And we have the good news of Jesus. And we usually are sharing people with people. and we were like, it solves your problems. And for years, we had these three problems that it solves.

You had sin because of the death on the cross, and you have physical death where you have the resurrection. Well, that third one, I've heard different variations of that, but usually it's like sinning again and struggling with sin or, you know, as a Christian, because you still mess up. But to me, that's sin. The blood of Jesus on the cross still takes care of that. just because we can't wrap our minds around that.

I mean, I believe that Jesus, when he died for your sins, he died for them past, present, and future. You are correct. And he knows your heart. So don't make another category out of something we've already addressed. So I've made that third problem, spiritual warfare, which is my point here. That is a problem. Because when you declare Jesus as Lord, the spiritual forces of evil are coming,

especially if you're making that evil world uncomfortable. You go out and you start speaking or you go back to your friends. Oh, I've changed. Once you declare that to them, what's going to happen? They're not going to like it. Look at the Apostle Paul before and after. And you say before he was just wide open, bloodthirsty killer. I mean, bringing people out, putting them in jail, having them stone to death.

I mean, men of renown, you know, Stephen, I mean, you know, sent by God. And he's there saying, kill him, you know, kill him. Well, all of a sudden, he's on the other side of the thing. And now he's the son of God. And he did say, look, I'm the worst of worse to do what I was doing. But he just said, forget him what's behind. I just go forward.

That's what you're talking about, Jay. So all you do is go forward. It is a battle. So he had a bigger battle after all of it, after he became a, of God than he did before. Exactly. Well, the sermon I heard the other night. So he starts off in John 12, because there's the same point is here.

Well, you remember what happened in John 11, which that was kind of the meat of the sermon. He's going in reverse. So just stay with me. But he goes to John 12, and he reads that. And one of his unspoken sermons was actually what Jesus was doing at their house. which he made a point about that for you to welcome Jesus or for him to want to come hang out at your house, there's something in the way you carry yourself in your life

that that's an unspoken sermon when you think about it. Of all the people, there's something welcoming about you that Jesus is going to go hang out there. That's a good thing, the hospitality, whatever that was involved. So they're there. well, we know Lazarus had just been raised. And so then you have this introduction of Judas, you know, basically, you know, John is upset at Judas's take on, here's Mary, pouring out this perfume,

which seems like a strange act before Jesus's resurrection. But if you kind of think about what just happened, she's been doing some listening. to what Jesus is saying, because her brother was dead, and you're now having a party. They were basically having a party in the celebration, which I've never been to one of these parties. The celebration was the resurrection of a family member, like right now.

Yeah. That would be a good party to guess. So what are you all celebrating? So well, my brother was dead. He was dead for four days and he came back to life. So we're going to celebrate. But that's something worse out of it. And so here's Mary.

She pours out this perfume. She's crying. And it's written almost just matter of fact. Well, I know. So she. Hang on, Jess. Let's take a break. So Mary has gotten it because now she put two and two together and thought,

Jesus is here to die. He's going to come back. And that's why she's pouring out the perfume. She, somewhere in all the unspoken language, of what's happened, she figured out that he is the son of God and he's going to die. And he's never going to leave us. And he's going to be resurrected. So she's crying and she's pouring out perfume.

And Judas is over there like, well, we could have used this money to feed the poor. Yeah. Well, that's flying all over. You know, John could, and he made a good point. John's the one gospel out of the four that's more of a reflective. He's looking back, putting the whole story there. And I never noticed this before,

but his commentary was, because he's throwing in commentary where, like Judas says, but one of his disciples, Judas, who was later to portray him. So he threw that commentary in. I mean, so don't get to like him. So then he's giving you the facts.

But he's giving you bad advice. Well, yeah. And then he objected, was it this perfume sold and the money given to the poor it was worth a year's wages so that was the facts well then here's the commentary he didn't say this because he cared about the poor just that's just i mean he's basically you read between the lines he's like he's a no good low down scoundrel yeah but he but because he was a thief as a keeper of the money and so then Jesus, which I love this line, says, leave her alone.

Because, you know, that God recognizes us as, and sees our heart. And just the idea of him saying that in the spiritual struggle area, I mean, it really gives me joy. You leave him. And I'm sure that's happened before, you know, where you're, you're down here trying to help people, you're serving, you're sharing Jesus, or you're. giving your money and then the spiritual forces of evil are upset and there you start heaping abuse on you and the idea of God I'm talking modern day declaring to that world hey you leave

him alone I don't know that was he made a point about that which I thought was good so so that was kind of the story and then the part about the water to the wilderness so this crowd in verse nine is here's about this a large crowd in verse 9 of 12 found out that Jesus was there because, you know, a resurrection party gets out. Yeah. Word travels fast. They're doing, what kind of party is his? I mean, of all the parties.

And so not only because of their, and they came, because they wanted to go to the party, not only because of him, but also to see Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead. But watch the chief priest, what's their response? So they made plans to kill Lazarus as well. Do what? You're not listening. If you've been resurrected. The point is they're hearing what's going on.

They're not listening. The party was him coming back. And your plan is to kill him? Kill him again. And kill the one that raised him. So Robert. So Robert. just kill them all and we'll solve his whole thing.

He said, hey, Robert Medea said, I thought it was really funny. He said, hey, if I'm Lazarus, I'm like, I was dead. I'm alive. I got the T-shirt to prove it. This is your threat? So what he did there is then he went back to John 11, and he was like, look at the unspoken sermons that led to this. and so, I mean, I'll give you the high points. If I, I jot it, you know, this is one of them sermons where I started jotting down notes after a while.

I was, this is, this is, I haven't thought about this in this way because, and he was right, we, we usually go to the big points. We go to John 11 where Lazarus's been dead four days and she's like, don't go in there. There's an odor. And we want that. Lazarus, come out. we're good move on but he's like there's a lot of things in here that happen in this moment that can help us listen in the situations because he you know he brought up a good point mary and martha sent word to jesus and i don't know if you ever thought about it but when

they sent word the statement was in chapter 11 in verse 3 the sisters sent a messenger because Jesus down here preaching doing his thing. If you had been there, he wouldn't have died. Well, not first. First it said, they sent a messenger and they said, tell him this. Because this pastor had a really good point. It's like, we don't think about exactly what was said. We just hear what was said, and we're not even listening.

They said, Lord, the one you love is sick. Now, just think about that statement. What does that even mean? The one you love is sick. Because he's like, first of all, I thought, I thought Jesus loved everybody. But they're like, it's almost like they're after special treatment here. The one you love is sick. Did they express exactly what they want him to do about it?

No. The one you love is sick. He's gone. So Jesus is like, okay, messenger, you tell him this. So he gives the response. When he heard this, Jesus said, this sickness will not end in death. Now, if you don't really think about that, you're like, well, what is that exactly? That's clearing it all up.

So what happened? So it was like, God will be glorified. So the messenger goes back, well, what does he do? You kind of got to read between the lines. Well, what's he tell Mary and Martha? We're good. Right? Yeah.

Jesus said he wasn't going to die. He's not going to die. He didn't say that. No, he said the sickness will not end in death. So a couple days later, he keeps doing his ministry. And the disciples weren't listening because he said, well, he need some sleep and everything will be all right. And they start talking about his disciples reply, well, Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better. Jesus had been speaking about his death, but his disciples thought he meant spiritual, I mean a natural sleep.

So once again, you see the difference in hearing and they weren't getting it. Nobody was getting it. So then he told the disciples, he tries to explain to him, still not getting. So then verse 17, his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. Look, he missed the funeral, the graveside. I mean, he died, so now you're right. They're hot because they think he's the son of God. they basically gave

him a message. He gave a response. They're thinking he's wrong. Well, because they're looking at the situation. You know, and it was a really good point. They're like, God gave the word. He spoke on it. But the circumstances were not,

they couldn't see how he was right. They're like, well, he said he wasn't going to die and he's dead. He's not here. So that's a key point because they weren't listening to what he said. So Martha said in 21, Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. So they're angry. And he did this whole thing about why we get angry at God, which I thought was really good.

Because he's like, come on, if you would admit it, there's been times in your life where you're angry at God because what you read is not adding up with what's happening in your life. and you're mad. So he's like, you're like, well, I'm not going to pray. You know, I'll show you. I'm not reading my Bible. I'll go to church, but I'll show up late.

I mean, he went through these different things, you know. I mean, because you're angry. You're mad. So, so then it says, but I know in verse 22, that even now God will give you whatever you ask, Jesus said, your brother will rise again. And Martha's like, well, I'll know he'll rise again

in the resurrection at the last day. Well, then he declares this, you know, I am the resurrection and the life. And y'all know the story. He eventually weep. Well, why does he weep even though he knows he's going to raise him from the dead? Well, his point was he gave her the comfort in that statement. This sickness will not end in death. And basically what his point was.

we put a period after the word death. I mean, the end is death. It's over. And here Jesus put a comma after death. Now, it's on you that you didn't get that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because if you trust him, that's what he said.

And so, you know, really the whole point was sometimes in your listening, you look at the circumstances and you've got to find joy. entrust from that water to the wilderness and the persecutions that come because you know look this this same thing is going to happen to us at our resurrection so and there's two things kind of going here you have your spiritual resurrection when you hear jesus and you die and you're buried and you're raised we went through roman six in detail well if you really believe that then you trust no matter what these circumstances are, you know, are coming. So here's the whole point, well, we want to heal him and we want on our terms.

Now, we look at the situation, we're like, Lord, you know, the one you love is sick. I won't help now. And if it doesn't work out like we won't, well, guess what? Then we may have. And we're not looking at the big picture. Let's take another break. And part of two, Jay's is they, in their defense, in the story, it's hard sometimes when you never experienced.

So all they had seen Jesus do up to this point was heal people. People would be sick. He'd heal them. Somebody's laying there, you know, they can't walk. All of a sudden, they're running around. So their only experiences were that. So, you know, remember we talked about how great Abraham was because he reasoned to the resurrection?

Obviously, they weren't doing that because they thought the opportunity had been missed. And you're right. They didn't really listen to what he said. And it's the age. They couldn't reason to that. But Abraham did. The age old thought is, in other words, death and people's who the doubters in their mind,

they still have not come up to grips. Jesus has destroyed. He too shared in their humanity. So that by his death, he might destroy him who holds the power of death. That is the devil. Right. And free those who all their life were trapped. trapped because they because they their fear of death they say well that's that's that's that's the end

instead of the beginning right which so which is why I think the experience of Lazarus's resurrection to your point or to the pre to the pastor's point is then what opened up the eyes to say oh okay I got it now so that's why she anointed it is like and that's why he said you know she's just prepared literally she's premier power over death and and she knew he was going to come back You were really listening to... That's a hard concept to grasp for most of him. It is. However, if you were really listening to what he did here when you were reading this,

you'll realize that they were asking for healing without being specific, got mad when it didn't happen. And he basically said, I love him so much that I'm going to give him the resurrection. That went way beyond healing. Yeah. You just think of... This only happened two other times. in the New Testament where Jesus raised somebody from the dead.

You know, one of them was he just touched the coffin. The other guy of the woman's son. Yeah, but just think about that. Because then all of a sudden I started thinking about all those times thinking, well, that shows too that he changes the dead environment, you know, that you find yourself in. It was almost like a different angle of giving you hope. It's like he'll resurrect you.

but he can also just take whatever environment that's creating death or that you think of. And so that's what I realize that, because think about it from Lazar's perspective. I mean, you're talking about boldness and a feeling of don't give a real. I guarantee he didn't wear a mask after that. You know what I'm saying? He wasn't worried about death anymore. He just wasn't worried about it because, and that's why I think the point he was making is when you had jumped to jump, 12 and you see Mary down here pouring out the perfume, well, if you really weren't, wasn't

listening in this John 11th, she's got it now. She not only got what happened to her brother, she figured out, because now she started looking in the future and she realized this is why he came. There's a way to live again. In other words, a proper understanding of what went on that day in those few days, a proper understanding of that would really help and heal a mighty throng of individuals who live in the United States. Their greatest fear in what's motivating them from the coronavirus to whatever is their fear of death. Sure.

I mean, they will pass edicts. You have to do this. You have to do this. The medical profession. But all of this supersedes anything the medical profession could ever do. Yeah, I would say. This is beyond get the right medicines if he doesn't. this and this and that and the other he may live we think we can say and then you know you the CDC

offers this and that and the other and the governments are running and putting rules and regulations trying to keep you alive trying to keep you alive they slaughter their own children but then turn around and act like they're concerned they're really concerned they love animals and and they somehow they still slaughter their own children you know but well it comes back to that Romans one And when you have those, when you're not trusting God based on circumstance, and then you put animals next in the order of importance, and you have humans third, what happens? Chaos, disorder, evil behavior, gender questions, and everything gets wonky.

Then you're just focusing on the differences of everybody instead of what we have in common. I mean, you're not bringing people together. It's dividing. But it's all coming from that fear, which is in anger, which is what was going on here. I thought about a text. He didn't read this, but I thought about that text in 1st John 4 because really this came from them wanting Jesus to respond according to their narrative. And when he didn't do that, well, they got mad.

but I thought about 1 John 4th. It made this verse jump out at me when it says verse 8. Whoever does not love does not know God because God is love. And what does it take to know God? You got to listen more deeply, which is why I brought up the point about parables. You got to be willing to search. You got to be willing to when you hear a sermon, I mean, people like me, I'm not very smart. So I have to have a notebook.

I'm writing down notes. because I'm not a good enough hearer or a listener just to halfway listen and like it's going to get in my brain. I mean, I've got to be purposeful to try to listen harder, which is why I was really listening. And it really excited me. And so then I started reading stuff like this. I'm like, there's a difference in just hearing, thinking you got it figured out because there are. I think I've proven that based on his sermon. There was a lot of things going there that statements that didn't really make sense until you really deep down thought about it.

They were basically trying to get, they were using God as like a way for not, for to not allow any bad things to happen to them. You know, he gives them something greater and they missed it. I mean, he gave them an opportunity to. Well, sometimes I think people just present the. Bible in a certain way that to certain people who are willing to listen, it hits them in a different way. And this guy obviously does that for you. I mean, people have said the same thing about me, about other people I know.

But not everybody's like that. Exactly. That's why we have our guys. Let's take another break. I showed a clip recently, Jay's a Wally. That's a really funny story I found about, you know, something I was talking about. I used as an illustration. But Jeff was like that.

every time I ever listen to Jeff Walling, I always got a lot of good stuff. I mean, he had some of the more memorable sermons to me because he just has a way of presenting that I personally, it helps me deeper dive into it. I just think that's the way the Lord. But you know, to your point, though, the best still, it's a person who in their experience of a moment, that will speak, if you're listening to Jesus and what he's trying to teach you in a moment is way more powerful than a sermon or something else. I mean, the personal impact, which is what that case was in the story with the resurrection

of Lazarus. I mean, he had said all those things that weren't listening, but when it happened in real time, I got it now. Yeah. So it's an awesome story. It's experiencing Jesus. But I've read thousands of times. Well, I wanted to read this first John 4.

So then it says in verse 9, this is how God showed his love among us. He sent his one and only son. into the world that we might live through him. In verse 10 is what I was trying to get to. This is love. Not that we love God. I mean, for years I thought, why does it say that? I mean, but he's making the point that not that we love God,

but that he loved us and sent his son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. It's not about how he can fix things. for us, I think that's what he means. You know, it's, oh, I love God. Well, how come I got problems? How come he's not? He's like, no matter what we do, he proved his love beyond our capabilities because he lived an innocent life and he gave us life for us.

That is the definition of love and it's something that I could never do because I have flaws. I can't even, I'm never going to get to that level of, of love because I've been disqualified. Even your enemies, he said, love your enemies. You're like, love your enemies. How's that going to work out? Yeah, it's one thing to hear that. It's another thing to listen.

Oh. That's right, exactly right. You know? I mean, when the guy drove by and shot the neighborhood in that moment, it was hard to have any warm and fuzzy feelings, which is fine. But at some point, I did realize, you know what, given the opportunity in his cell, you know, you shared Jesus. I think you were the first one to bring that up.

You said I'd share Jesus with him. Well, there's, yeah, there's people in my life that, you know, have done things to me that were, you know, changed my life, were terrible things. And at the end of the day, I hope they get it lined out. I mean, I, you know, I don't wish somebody going to hell on anybody, even people that I don't. Well, the difference in Jesus and us, is in all this story they're mad he didn't get offended he just he he listened to him and then he weeps

I mean the first verse I ever learned in the Bible it was in this chapter and I didn't know anything else about anything surrounding circumstances I only learned it because it was two words Jesus wept yeah is the easiest one to memorize but then then he weeps which is there's there's where the really the listen I think it goes to another level because they didn't listen to him. They were missing it. And he literally shed tears over it. He shed tears over their pain and frustration and confusion.

And even though he knew in a few minutes, he fixed raining from the day. Plus, I think it shows you the depth of how much you did love Lazarus. I mean, they said the one you love. So, you know, I mean, Jesus does love everybody. But he definitely had some people in his inner circle when he was on Earth. especially their ministry, that he had a deep, deep love. Well, but I think the people put that in perspective because they noticed that. Right.

But really, I do think Jesus has that deeper love for every individual. He does. We just notice it from our perspective. I thought the little caveat was that gives a story power, and they said, Lazaroth, it's kind of like doing this, taking these grave clothes off. You know, he'd been dead, the shroud. He was wrapped up. Yeah, he was like undoing all of it when he was walking toward him.

Can you imagine a dead man is just walking towards? He's getting his gray clothes off. Well, look. Well, look. That was his final point to his sermon. I don't know when it finally got back around physical death to Lazarus, but he's one of the few that can say, yeah, I'd have been through this before. So I don't think he was worried about it, y'all.

Well, it wasn't too long. It wasn't that many years because, you know, if he was around Jesus' age and around 30, He probably got another 20 or 30 years, and that was it. Well, he made a good point. He really made a good point. I've never thought about this for. So Jesus says Lazarus come out. Of course, you've got to remember, Martha, still not getting it.

Well, he stinks. Yeah. And now this is when he made a transition into the spiritual part. You know, when you're trying to rescue dead people, it's nasty. Yep. There's an odor that comes with the individuals that, you're sharing Jesus with. So I thought that was a good illustration.

But he also said when Jesus raised him up, now think about it. He was dead and he came out to lie. Well, he could have put clothes on him. He could have taken the grave clothes out. If you can raise somebody from the dead, you can put them in a three-piece suit. He could have introduced it right there.

He said, look at here. But what did he do? He said, y'all help him. Well, I know that's not an. accident because I think from a spiritual application that's where the church comes in he was he was planting the seed here dead people are coming back to life that Roman six is in the book you're going to reenact this death mental resurrection what do we do when when the dead come and you share Jesus and they respond and you rally around them as a community yep and you get the grave clothes on

the line he said is you don't want to be breathing again and still be bound. Yeah. Because he's alive, but now he can't. Well, he couldn't get out of it on his own. He couldn't get out of it on his own. I told that boy the other night, other night or the morning when I baptized him, he drove all the way down there, his family with him and all that.

We were standing down the riverbank, you know, and I was just hoping, and I told him so in a prayer, I just was hoping they could grasp the brevity of what just happened. that more coming all the way down here you know he participates in the death of jesus his burial and resurrection and a pool of water out in their old muddy river coming up you know but uh had the little kids there watching i said i hope y'all remember this day because it's the greatest day in your life that's for sure and it was it was so let's let's take our last break jason when i preach this uh sermon that's when that point is when i said it's not the text obviously but Jesus looked at Martha and said,

girl, hold your nose and watch this. Yeah. You know, because it was like, you're busy, you're talking about it's stinking. I'm busy to show you something, it's beyond stank, you know. Where's that verse, if the sun sets you free?

You'll be free indeed. Where is that? I'm looking. John 836. So he made a point that says, when it comes to being in Jesus in a new creation, because we reenact that death-bound resurrection. He reenacted it before he physically died,

buried, through Lazarus and his family. And Mary got it. I keep going back to that Mary, because he's like, wherever the gospel is preached, this story's going to be told. Because she reasoned this power that he had done to our brother was he was going to do and that we were all eventually going to do.

she saw it from a dick kind of like Abraham you know when he said give Isaac Isaac yeah and Abraham reason that he must get raised from the dead because I know his word is true which is really what this this comes down to so then you had this pattern here of it was he went from death to life to freedom but he made a point because he didn't just say out raising from the dead and we went on to the next spot and kept going made a point to say get them get those grave clothes off of, he was bound. And so I like that idea of death, life, and freedom, sun sets you free, you're free indeed, because really you got the whole lot of relation. There's a lot of unwrapping going on there. Well, it is. Well, because what's going to happen? You need your freedom because

you're fixed to go to the wilderness. You know, when you have the spiritual reenactment in baptism, you're headed toward the wilderness. Yeah. And you quoted Hebrews too earlier. I mean, it really does. free you from the fear of the slavery of death. That's right. And therefore and everything, so I mean, we've talked a lot on here about the pandemic because everybody else has been talking about it. But really and truly, I've had no fear about it. I mean, I've had concerns for people.

I didn't want y'all to get it, you know, because you're older, blah, blah, blah. But I'm just kind of like, I have had very little fear because I don't really worry about that. We're going to die of something. So, I mean. Well, yeah, exactly. Well, yesterday, you know, my sons were in for the weekend. We had some friends over. It was a great weekend.

They came for Larry's 50 years. I mean, it's kind of weird. It says he's retiring, but he's not retiring. He's just not on staff, I guess. Right. He's not getting past. So I told him yesterday. You know, Larry.

Yeah, that was good. You don't really retire because you're just going to work for free. I mean, you never quit doing this way. Jesus for free. Right. Yeah, I've been doing that. Because like when people said, well, you go to events, But I tell them.

I was like, I'm going to give you a duck call seminar for a nominal fee, which has been paid. And thank you. That's right. But what I'm fixing to tell you now is we doing this for free. I believe this. But what I wanted to say, just to bring it back, I know I've dominated this conversation, but I was so excited to hear this. And I just thought, I love it when, especially young preachers, go to the Gospels.

and read it and read it and read it and try to say, you know what, how can I convey this to real people in a real, real way? And I just, I loved it. It's much needed in our culture for sure. Exactly. So I was going to read Ephesion 6, because I brought up about this third problem about being in this spiritual warfare and based everything we've said,

because he says our struggle is not against flesh and blood. And really, God showed you that. he can raise you from the death. I mean, Lazarus, come out. Don't get hung up on that. Or people who can cause that to happen to you to die. Or the coronavirus or whatever. All right, we'll try to help, you know, the culture.

But we're not going to put our faith and trust in a mask. I mean, I'm putting my faith in trust in the one we just read about. I guarantee you. But then, and when you have this idea of the church rallying around, the reason I went to Ephesians, because it is about that. You know, in Ephesians 4, he goes through all the things that he set up with his church that we do and to help people do works of service and provide this community. And so people come to Jesus and they reenact what he did.

They die. They're buried. They're raised. And then the community comes around and they get the grave clothes off of him. and they unbind him. For what? So that when the day of evil comes, you can stand. And then he starts talking about putting on the armor of God.

All these things. Well, why do we need the armor of God? And masks are not quite as heavy as armor as you need. That's exactly. We need way more than that. Last thing, you're going to be looking for it. Where is my mask? That's where I was going with this.

The difference is if there's no reservation, resurrection, look, wear the mask and put your hope and trust in for you might extend your life for a small period of time. So if there is a resurrection, you can wear the mask as a courtesy for our culture. But on top of the mask, we've got, what do we have? We have the belt of truth buckled around our waist, even though our circumstances may not look like the truth God is speaking. We know, maybe we're not listening good enough. The breastplate of righteousness, you just think, that's what our culture needs. People around doing righteous things, things that are good, you know.

The feet with the fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace, the shield of faith, and y'all, I mean, y'all know the helmet of salvation. it was going. And then you have this communication with God through prayer. I mean, I just, I don't know, it was a, it was a good, it was a good one. It was good. It was good. So I told Larry yesterday, Dad, that, you know, Captain America retired on the Marvel movies.

I said, you know why? Because it's exhausting to try to spend your whole life trying to save the world. Even a Captain America, you know, retired in the movies. But that's what we do when you commit your life. life to the gospel and other people knowing about the gospel. And so you literally live your whole life trying to share with people what God did to you and for you. And I think that's the whole idea. And actually, it's all about them, not you. That's right. You're a servant. I mean, that's what you're called to. Which you mentioned Paul. He totally got that and saw it. But it was really interesting because

I wondered how many people did the Apostle Paul administer the 40 lashes minus one, which was their version of it. That was legally, you hadn't only give them 39. You couldn't give them, it was 40 minus one. So 39 lashes across somebody's back for being a Christian. And then I thought about in 2nd Corinthians 12, I mean 11, you were talking about him. He said five times I received the from the Jews, the 40 lashes minus one. And then he goes on to describe a bunch of other bad stuff that happened to.

They were beating the fire. Yeah, but he was the one that used to administer the beatings. And now he's the one receiving the beatings. because of his faith. And so you made a good point about that. I think the idea is that once you become a servant in that wilderness, as Jason mentioned, you're going to have some trouble. Well, and you need this community. Look, this weekend we had our friends. I brought them up before the Van Norman's Casey with a K. She does speeches like I did. What a story she has, writes book. She has a new one. I'm going to recommend. It's called,

Nothing wasted. So if you want to, if you want to, you know, buy it for a present or, I mean, I don't recommend many bucks. It's good. But we should have it on the podcast sometimes. You know what we should do is have her and messy because they're, you know, I hang out with her hubby mainly. Justin. He looks like he has everything but a horse. You know, he's got to have.

He must be from Texas. Oh, yeah. But there, but what I was going to say is. They came over, but they were just, they listened. They were, I realized about halfway through the weekend, I thought, these people are trying to help me, and I need it. You know, you're like, well, what? I mean, you're plugged in, but everybody needs that community of people asking,

not the easy questions, but difficult question. I thought, these people are just here loving on me. This is a good point, Jay, to always be open to new community and new friends, because sometimes people are, you know, I've got all the friends I need. I don't need a new community. But you never know when the next person you meet, I mean, you just met, y'all just met these people within the last, you know, a couple of years. So sometimes I have about five years.

Therefore, when all of the, our listeners, and we have a constant stream of them, basically doubting, doubting, doubt, they've got doubts about Jesus, doubts about their own life, doubts about their hope, just remember, the Apostle Paul, we work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless. When we are persecuted, we endure it. When we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment, we have become the scum of the earth and the refuse of the world.

I mean, he got caught a lot of flack over what he was doing, and he never wavered. Yeah. All the way to where do you want me to put in my head? right here, okay. He didn't run and scream and say, well, I can't believe God is having me beheaded. I mean, that's a pretty tough way to go, Al. And you listen to what he was saying.

He didn't fear it. Right. He just didn't fear it. Exactly right. That's a perfect one in, though. We're out of time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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