Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 333 | Jase's Dramatic Fight Embarrasses Missy in Front of Guests, and Did Judas Have Free Will?
Episode Date: August 23, 2021Jase unintentionally embarrasses Missy in front of company, and then he scares her half to death. Al talks about his vendetta against wasps. Phil and Jase recap Romans 16. The guys talk about why Juda...s made his choices and whether or not free will was involved. And Jase explains that when God comes calling, there's only question: Will you answer? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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I am unashamed. What about you?
Hey, everybody's been out of shape because I killed a spider.
Look, when you live in Louisiana,
I like the thing about what's it doing to you.
Well, nothing if it's dead, but if it's alive and it crawls and bites you,
then it's doing something to you.
I got a message to all venomous spiders.
Stay in your lane.
Well, stay outside.
I'm married to a woman.
who is extremely afraid of all critters.
And she happens to be in Louisiana.
And we're surrounded.
I've quoted Act 17 to her many times.
God determined the time set for us and the exact places where we should live.
So quit griping about there's so many insects and things with claws and teeth and stingers here.
This place is dangerous.
I took a guy duck hunt from Missouri
and he looked down at the ground
and he said
I've never been to any place
to where the ground
was constantly moving
with various things crawling
he said I've never seen anything like this
the ground just seemed like it's alive
with critters crawling around
I said there's a lot of things crawling
through the grass and the weeds around here
and most things will hurt you
they'll sting you bite you
a lot of stinging
critters.
And if you're, you know,
unfortunately some.
Brown recluse, black widows,
we have far more,
these brown recluses are just that reclusive,
hard to spot them.
You know,
I'm looking for the,
you know,
bass fiddle on the back,
whatever.
But black widows,
we run into those all the time.
Well,
it's a bad bite.
And we're kind of,
where we are,
where we do the podcast,
we're kind of stuck out here.
There's no,
a lot of structures around us.
So all the varmets think, hey, this looks like a good place to hang out.
So they like to get in your boots, in your waiters.
I mean, every year, I have a massive shaking and like everything before I put stuff on.
You walk through tall grass in Louisiana of any kind.
You walk through brush.
And there are things, a lot of things, crawling on you.
And a lot of them will pot mark you from one end the other.
I mean, it's something.
It is.
Oh, the other night.
You heard of chiggers.
I mean, look, there's some weeds out in this.
For some reason, if you're born and raised here,
it doesn't seem as bad on you as it does other people,
but you get a certain amount of immunity to it or something.
Well, the other night, it was about dust, dark.
We had our friends in from Texas, the Van Normans.
Missy's got supper ready, and they're kind of waiting on me.
It sounds like they should be like this from like a castle somewhere.
where the Van Normans.
I love her name.
And it's, oh boy.
Who's visiting?
I think the Van Normans are coming in.
He literally looks like he just got off a bull at all time.
He doesn't look like a Van Norman.
No, that's what makes it sick of.
They're two of the best people I know.
And they got their kids there, you know, and I'd given their son, he's 13.
I gave him a duck call lesson.
It was his first duck call.
He's got the fever, you know, which I think is good.
I was telling him.
I was like this.
You didn't take him duck hunting because I took them fishing,
which was embarrassing because I caught all the fish.
I mean, we all go to Willie's Pond,
and I actually called Willie because I didn't want him to see a bunch of strangers around
and say what's going on.
Well, I'm proud of you.
You're leaving your sneaky ways, and now you're just, you know, being up front.
Well, he's like, who is it?
I was like the Van Normans.
He said, oh, they sound interesting.
Yes.
but I caught we were because they had never caught a bass bigger than six pounds and
Willie he's got bass in there the biggest one I've caught there was almost nine pounds
but I caught it on a jig ball I was fishing for his cropy and so I know they're in there
but they couldn't catch one and I don't know what to say we're all throwing there and
you think just well just law of averages but
It just didn't happen.
So anyway, they got to watch me catch some pretty good bass and a couple crappie.
So I go back, I'm there.
Missy has suffered already, and so I'm putting my dog.
My dog stays in the garage.
It always has in his little kennel.
He loves it.
While I'm leaning down to lock the little kennel and just I heard coming from a pretty high rate of speed,
and it nicked my hat.
And I turned around and it was an insect.
I didn't know what it was.
It was big.
Well, that triggered me, you know, my reaction because it came at me.
It forced the issue.
And so I swung, nicked it, and then it just started buzzing coming at me.
Well, now I'm falling down.
Just trying to always turn into a fight.
So finally I got my hands on a boat paddle, which I'm not sure how.
and I just hit the side of the wall when it lit
because I wanted to see what this thing was, you know?
But I didn't realize that through all the commotion,
well, the Van Normans and Missy's like, what's going on?
They thought me and the dog, the dog was loose, but I was loose.
And so Missy just had that luck of sheer embarrassment.
She's like, what are you doing?
I said, I'm trying to kill this bee or whatever it is out here.
And I think I got him.
Of course, then I'm not sure what.
what it was.
I'd never seen that particular insect on expectant.
They may have been one of these new hornets.
They got some kind of hornets that have come in from the far east that are supposed
to be some bad hombrace.
I mean,
this Joker was a-
They call her hornets or something.
I don't know.
So now,
you know,
guess what?
I had to do a,
because it scared her so bad because I gave her the visual image.
And now she's like,
you got to check all the rooms where we can sleep and here we go.
you know now i'm like i forget who i married in the in the moment because i shouldn't have shown her
that because now she's going to have nightmares about before you got here yesterday and we were
recording so i come in there's a big old i mean a big old purple was he was a bull and i thought
about missy because she was just here you know last week and that sucker was flying around and
he had to look like i'm fixing to zap somebody but i could get the old hat you know the old hat pop
knocked him down and then stomped him in the well i told the she would have freaked out though oh
scream holler so and that used to it used to scare me when she'd scream and holler you know because i
think oh no something's really happened no it's just roach went across the floor you know i'm going there
and kill him we move on i told that son i said have you ever been stung by a wasp and he said
every summer in the same place i said do what he said under our steps or
when I come down, there's a Walsnest
under there. I said, have you ever thought about
getting up under there and killing those wasp
removing? And he's like, well, I never have thought about it.
I was like, that's what you do.
He's like, well, I ask my dad, I was like, don't ask you a day.
No, no, no, just kill.
If they're stinging you every time you come down the step,
look, we love wasp, but they're in the wrong lane.
They're in your lane.
Take them out.
I did the same thing.
So last weekend, we're down at the Southern Lair.
I got all the grandkids there.
And they're all about to leave, you know, which Lisa and I, praise the Lord.
Because, you know, you got them for four days in a confined space.
I'm ready for them to head to Louisiana.
So they're all getting ready.
And Sage is with them, although our parents weren't there.
And Sage is sometimes a little bit of a handful.
So there are five minutes.
The cars are running.
We're getting ready.
If they started loading people in the car seats.
And all of a sudden, I hear.
I hear the crying.
I said, uh-oh.
Well, a wasp has stung sage right on the neck, right on the throat right here at the
and it's a big old ugly welt, you know, that's come up.
And, of course, it's weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth because she's dramatic
anyway.
She's little frisky.
That's what you call.
You got little frisky and big frisky.
And I thought, oh, my gosh, we're literally five minutes from everybody hitting the road.
And now we've got to go through all this, drama.
So as soon as we got her patched up, you know, once we got her, you know, it quit stinging quite so bad, you know, Lisa's doing all this stuff.
And as soon as they left the thing, I took two cans of washburn.
And I just went on a vendetta until I was going to find where is that coming from.
Because it was right on my back porch down there.
And I found it.
It took me a little while, but they had built a little nest up under an eve.
And I found the suckers and I killed every one of them because I was just like, that's what they do.
You know, the little kids coming by.
right before they piece of load up in the car
and you get the old zapper,
but you know,
you've got to take care of business.
Well,
these people that complain about,
you know,
they don't want to walk on the ground
because they might step on a bug and on,
don't kill a spider and
all this.
They'll get in their car,
and the number one killer
of all insects in the world
is a windshield.
Or a front bumper.
When you leave duck blinds,
when you leave duck blinds
on the last day of January,
you walk away from them or motor away from them.
We keep up with them if the backwater comes up,
retine them all this.
But the whole time,
they're pretty good-sized little houses
where you can shoot six or seven people on the front bay.
They have roofs.
They're all made out of wood on cypress logs, you can imagine.
But was nest, when you get back in there to say,
well, let's clean it out.
You leave in January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, TLC, October, November.
So eight to ten months later, you decide to go up in there, whether you're brushing it or whatever.
But it is quite the ordeal to go from one end to the other.
You're just looking to the right and left, hoping you don't miss any.
But I'm seeing Wall's Nest like that.
Bigger than paper plates, I mean, huge.
paper plates you know 200 wasp on them and it just rains wasp when you spray them yeah so you just
walk in with a can of spray in both hands crawl along you're watching so you don't run up on a cotton
mouth while you're there but i've seen cotton mouths inside the blind call up ready to bite you
and look up and wasp are above you and cotton mouths are below you and so it's a it's a house of
heart when i introduced dan the eunuch to the whole whole thing
I mean, you know, I made a professional out of him.
I said, Dan, get it down spray their malls about it.
So I trained him how to do it.
So he goes up in there, better him than me.
Part of the price of youth.
But one mistake.
Is he pretty good?
Does he take care of business pretty good?
He got stung a lot earlier, but now he's a lot better not getting stung in much as he used to.
He kind of knows to be wary.
We've seen alligators and raccoons.
I mean, everything.
Buzzards.
You build a house in the woods.
I would say the hornets.
The ground yellow jackets, the ground bumblebees, the bees that live in the earth,
holes in the ground, they're the worst ones.
You run open with bushdogs and whatever, and you just look behind you, just a cloud.
It's better to be having a roof on a tractor and walls than just sitting out in the open.
Much better.
They're just bouncing off the tractor, you know, but you have to do something about those because they can, they'll swarm you.
Oh, yeah.
And they're painful.
And they'll run you a long way.
You can run 100 yards and they'll follow you and they keep stinging you.
That's right.
Which is to Jason's point a minute ago,
because people are like,
oh,
why do you want to kill these things?
But they pursue you.
It's a big country.
There'll always be plenty of wasp.
And what we're doing is just temporarily beating them back.
But it needs to be done.
There's way more of them.
You don't be able to go duck hunting inside or structure.
There's full of wash.
You just can't do it.
inhabitable.
You'll see the remains of wasst nest
and where we sprayed them.
The nests are still there, but the wards are going, you know.
Or fire ants or another.
A lot of them will make a comeback to return ease.
They'll start and they'll start on another nest, you know.
Hey, I quote Romans 1, 22 and 23.
Although they claim to be wise, they became fools
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made
to look like mortal man, birds,
animals and reptiles and also in insect.
Yep.
I'm sure that was included in the general animal.
Well, it's funny because we talk about wasp and all that stuff,
but in the Old Testament it was the locust.
It was all the stuff that ate their crops,
what they were always leery of.
You know, they'd start on one end of a field.
A lot of them, what we call grasshoppers would be locusts.
Right.
You know, we think about locusts in the trees.
Pestulence, right.
I don't hear as many locusts.
to about every nine or ten years they have a cycle.
I think that's got something to do with you're hearing.
You know what I mean?
It could be you.
I was just up in Tennessee.
I had not, you know, we didn't get the cicadas here, but all along the East Coast.
Yeah.
I was in Tennessee.
I mean, it was deafening.
Yeah.
How loud it was.
It used to be that way around here, but I don't hear them like a...
I don't hear them at all here, which is funny.
I don't hear locusts at night.
I mean, they're, and my dogs, you know, they seem to...
I don't know if they're killing them or they're dying.
It's all over the ground, their shells, you know.
Well, you know, some of the...
Yeah, and there's like a, it's a, every so...
It's a cycle.
A long cycle for the...
Every nine or ten years.
It's quite irregular.
Let's take a break.
Well, Jay, you mean, when we were kids, it was the killer pillars, which they're every
so many years.
Oh, they still have them.
I know, but it's like every seven years, 14 years, something like that.
So, Jason, if you brought Romans all together from Romans one...
Read that. Start out, just read the last few verses of Roman 16 again.
And then we'll go back.
I mean, I saw the book with that sum up that you close with.
With this summation, well, I mean, Paul via the Spirit of God said, now to him who is able,
I mean, let me just stop right there.
I mean, if you just believe that about God, I mean, God is able and he's willing.
if you just have those two factors of his personality in your brain your life would get a lot better
but to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of jesus christ which is what we do i mean you just
think he wrote this 2 000 years ago more than that and well i guess he wrote it just under 2,000
years ago but he was proclaiming jesus and you think what do we do
We go around and we proclaim Jesus when we say God is able and he's willing.
According to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past,
which we didn't really get into what that mystery is that's hidden,
but it was basically that Jesus Christ, God in human form, can live in you via his spirit.
But now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal.
eternal God so that all nations might believe and obey to the only wise God be glory father through
Jesus Christ.
By the way, the people who say, no, they're just a select view who were chosen before
the beginning of time.
They were chosen before the beginning of time.
That says that all nations might believe.
For God so love the world, he sent his only begotten son, that whoever,
whomever. That's everybody. Believes in him won't perish, but have eternal life. Contrary to what you
hear in recent days, some of these people coming along say, I don't know just a select few,
irresistible grace comes upon them. The Bible says the gospel of Jesus that the Apostle Paul
and that we just covered in 16 chapters is for everybody. Who wants it? Well, I think that
confusion comes from and i've had people walk up to me on the street say boy you missed it on that
they're like you know god predestined you know a few to be saved and look god knows who's going to be
saved i don't so we share jesus with everybody because god loves everybody well whatever the riddle is
and what i just said i mean that's just the way it is i don't know who's saved
I know I am, but I'm going to share Jesus and love everybody because I know that where it says God is love, he is love.
Right.
He loves everybody.
When we ran by Romans 10 during this, before we got to what you just said to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of the Lord Jesus, we're told to go preach the gospel.
to all nations,
baptize them in the name of the Father,
son, the Holy Spirit.
Go preach the gospel, he that believes.
Faith comes from hearing the message, Romans 10.
You say, what's the message?
Jesus died for you, was buried and raised from the dead.
That's never going to change,
and that's where you have to have faith.
It's impossible to please God.
You must believe he exists,
and he will reward you if you earnestly seek him.
where Romans 12 tells you about law, the difference between law and grace, what a wonderful thing, the gift is given to us.
You have to believe it.
The Jews, they were told that, but they were told that, but they've heard it, but they've rejected it.
So some reject it, the ones who accept it, and they put their faith in Jesus and what God did through Jesus, they can be saved, and immortality is theirs.
It's not rocket science.
I think the biggest misunderstanding is when you try to, from a human perspective,
put on God your limited vision because God's outside of time and space.
So when he says before the creation of the world,
he predestined us in Christ,
he's looking at it from his perspective of not being bound by time.
So yes, Jesus is right.
He knows everything.
He knows how it begins.
He knows the middle.
He knows the end.
But when we put ourselves in that position and say,
Oh, no, we know this certain amount of people.
We start applying divine principle inside the time space.
That's where we run into problems.
You can't see it.
We're not God.
We begin to claim we are God.
That's what you do.
That's exactly right.
But here's my point.
When Jesus, who is our speech, our proclamation, I just read it,
we introduce Jesus a person, not a rule system, not some kind of creed.
when Jesus came to earth, he then inserted himself, because he is eternal too.
In the beginning was the word, words with God, and where it was.
He inserted himself into time, which is...
Which he knew he would do before time.
And it's very hard to get your head wrapped around.
That's right.
You remember when the times had fully come, he sent Jesus.
Well, so, but he was not bound by time.
the time came, which couldn't come in their perspective because it is.
But he did it.
He became a part of time.
But my point is, well, just look at some of the things he did.
He chose one of his chosen because he was with God in the beginning,
who he knew would betray him.
Well, what did he do that for?
Why not just pick 12 that's going to follow?
him all the way since he in his foreign knowledge.
What was the purpose of that?
To show you, you can reject it.
I mean, I really don't have an answer because I wouldn't have done that.
But I think you're right, for whatever reason, he chose who he chose and he loved them.
And I've told people who have that argument, I'm like, what was Judas all about?
What was that all about?
Why did he choose somebody?
I know that he used the evil intent of Judas to lead him to his death, which would save us.
But, you know, it still shows you that when you see picture God's love, he loved Judas.
He watched his feet just like he watched everybody else.
And I think that's what the whole point is, and the confusion is, the Jews said,
No, we're God's chosen people and just us.
It's over.
Sorry, you can't even come in.
Judas had the ability to follow Christ's faithfully like the other disciples.
That's the argument point.
He chose not to do it.
That's the debate point is some people would say, well, no, he never had a choice,
but we would argue, sure he did.
Oh, he had a choice?
Because, look, he was a part of 12 men who all had a choice.
That's correct.
Any of those guys could have been offered the same deal that he got and make a choice
on whether you're going to do or not. What was interesting about Judas is you watch the evolution
through the gospels. He always had a bad attitude. He always, you know, everything we see at
and there's something there wasn't quite right. But until we get to the night before when it said
then Satan entered him, he didn't really make the last choice until the night he was going to do what
he did. Yep. And then even then he regretted it and went back and threw all the money in there
and had it and then one killed himself over. So, I mean, you could argue you never had a choice,
but I would say he had choices through the whole process.
I don't know how you can argue you don't have a choice.
I don't know, but people do.
But I'm saying we're made in the image of God,
so if God gave us a choice,
seem like he would have a choice.
And remember,
you have the free will, Jay's,
you can believe the story we just,
have you ever seen Jesus?
Well, in my mind.
Yeah, but have you ever...
No, I haven't physically laid out of them.
Neither.
But I believe in him.
You say, let's see, do you have the choice to say,
well, I'm going to repent of my sins, and I'm going to follow him because he just said he'll remove
them. If and when I repent, and then the new birth, you're like...
Which is, you bring up an initial point about family.
I have the will, the free will, to say, yes, I'm going to follow you because I love you
because of what you have done, what you're now doing, what you will do. I'm all in.
I'm taking my chances with you. I'm doing it by faith.
I've never seen you.
I just heard the story.
And I have faith in the story enough to say,
I'm through getting drunk, running hoars.
I said, I'm done with it.
I'm going to follow you faithfully
because I see no way out of here except through you.
So let's take a break.
So you bring up an interesting point.
Everybody up until the point Jesus got here
believed that somehow God was going to come here.
And it was a mystery.
It was always a mystery.
But they believe, is he coming?
Roman 16.
Is the Messiah coming?
Is he coming?
Is he coming?
When he comes?
When he comes.
Then he got here.
And so for a few years, he was actually here, and he was doing what he did for three years.
And then they had a choice.
Is this really him?
Do I believe it?
And why didn't everybody embrace him?
And most didn't.
Most didn't.
Look at the first three chapters of Romans.
That's basically what he starts off saying, I got good news.
He says it six times in the first two paragraphs.
Yeah.
You know, gospel, good news.
Well, then he tells, he says, I got good news, but then he spends three chapters sharing terrible news.
And it's because God let us go.
God created us.
He lets us go.
I'm alluding to Luke 15.
All sin.
Yeah.
And it goes, and when you don't glorify God or you exchange God for a lie or you
get insects above the life of an insect above God or above humans, chaos ensues.
Morality gets watered down.
He says that, Romans 1.
You've exchanged the creator for created things.
So, which really is what it's all about.
You either put your faith and trust in a creator or created things.
There's no other choice.
So then he goes into Romans 2, which I think in Romans 2, there's this one little statement in verse 11 that is very profound in that God does not show favoritism.
As far as what you've done, where you're from, what you look like, whether you're Jew, God doesn't show favoritism, which kind of flies in the face of the point of, oh, wait a minute, there was just a few of his favorites.
everybody out.
Well, God doesn't show favoritism.
You say, how do you know?
Romans 2-11, for God does not show favoritism.
That's good enough for me.
Me too.
It's just a blanket statement.
So then he goes in Romans 3, whether you're pretty good or pretty bad or we're all sinners.
But now.
So you get to 21 and we finally get to the good news, but you don't realize the good news of Jesus until you're
realize how pathetic you actually are without God.
Unfortunately, that was the plan.
I mean, it's hard because that's how you figure out why bad things happen to good people.
We're in a sinful world.
And we have to come to an understanding as human individuals and a human race that without God,
we have no power to take care of the major problems of our society,
which is mistakes and death.
sin and debt we have no power to
well and it's still it's the old line we always say
do you really understand
the good news part of it if you
don't understand what got you there
which was kind of his point when he starts in one
you know right after he says explains what the gospel is
when he picks up in 118 goes all the way to 321
he's saying here's why you can't do it on your own
exactly three different exactly and whether you're a pretty good at
or pretty bad at it.
You still have to come to the same conclusion.
I mean, it's like in my life, my road to Jesus was different.
I mean, it wasn't as filled with some of the more drastic things as y'alls
if you just looked at individual sins.
That's correct.
But it doesn't matter whether you're just a complete self-indulgent
or you have some self-indulgence, or you have self-righteousness.
Like in my case, I had to struggle because the good things I would,
do, I would try to justify that I don't need God. Oh, I'll do it myself. No, I wound up the same
place. You were the guy in Romans 2, you know. Exactly. Dad and I were more the guys than Romans
1, where you just lost all sense of what was right and wrong. Romans 2, you pass judgment on someone
else because you're not as bad as they are, but he said you're condemning yourself because
you're guilty as charged along with all the rest of them. The pretty good ones, the not so good
ones, the real bad ones that are pretty bad. You add it all up. And then he also
all of sin and falling short of the glory of God. And then in chapter three, he uses his own example
because he was a Jew who totally missed it. Big time. Paul had been, Saul had been trained
to recognize the Messiah through all the prophets and all the law and everything. And yet when he
showed up, he was killing and torturing his followers. And there came up. And there came up.
point in his life when he was forced to make the same decision everybody does uh paul what are you doing
uh who are you he said i'm the one you're persecuting that's who i am what are you doing i have a job for
you to do and he tells him the job and look he had a change of heart that's right instantaneous change
of heart he's like okay i'm on the wrong side of this he had the ability and the free will to say
I'm riding the wrong horse.
I'm on the wrong track.
I'm going to have to repent,
and I'm a sorry lowdown, the worst of them all,
but he chose me from the beginning to chose me,
people like me, to be in positions to where they,
and he did what he did throughout the book of Romans.
You say, man, God is a merciful God if he saved the apostle Paul.
I read the story, and I said, I believe I'd make it if Paul did.
And he said, and he gets to the end.
end of that and he says there's no one righteous, not even one he quotes that scripture.
So he's letting us know there's no way to do it.
But then he says the key word in verse 21 of chapter three, but, but now.
And then that's going to lead him into this next section that takes it all the way through
four or five and sit where he talks about, look, now we have an ability to be able to
understand because of faith.
Which goes to where we started the last verse backing up, but it said that all nations might obey him.
Because then he kind of sums it up in 320.
I mean, we spend a lot of time in 321 through the end of the chapter there
because he basically then says what we all have in common.
All have sinned.
All fall short of the glory of God.
All are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
And then he presented him as a sacrifice.
Because what are we all have in common?
sin
what we have all in common
death we all die
we know he's raised
so it's so good
that he gets to five and then
he's like you know after he goes
through Abraham because the idea
of faith he's not going to tap you
on the shoulder and do this
when this was Roman Paul's point
that's why he brought up Abraham
because Abraham even before
Jesus died and was buried and raised
saw a picture of the death-bound resurrection
through God asking him to give up his son.
And you read in Hebrews 11 and then connect the dots,
oh, it's the same gospel that's gone before he died,
bearing raise, as he did it, and then to the future.
So through faith and this being the point of the Bible,
this becomes the pivotal point for all worlds to make their decision on.
This was literally the clash of,
of the spiritual forces of evil and God himself,
what was accomplished in Jesus.
So let's take another break.
You're exactly right, Jason.
And the reason he picked Abraham is Abraham was pre-law.
That didn't come until later, until Moses,
pre-Jewish nation, pre-Kings and prophets.
He was pre-all-that.
What he was telling him was,
look, this goes all the way back before all the things
you Jewish people are putting your trust in,
including himself.
This is before all that.
faith has always been the principle going forward.
And through you, Abraham, all nations would be blessed.
Right.
Well, that was unheard of.
He said, wait a minute here.
The Jews were say on one side, well, you're talking about these heathen Gentile?
They said, all nations, all of them.
Which is why he gets to chapter five, and he lays out the principle that really you've got Adam,
the first man, but then you've got Christ, who is the first redeemer of men.
and he lays out those two pictures because to Jason's point,
it always goes back to sin from the very beginning.
First man, first woman, they sin, they died,
and that's come all the way forward.
So it's a clear choice.
Do you want to live that way or do you want to follow Jesus and find redemption for sin?
So he lays out that, I love it because it's binary,
and the binary choices for any of us,
which is why when you get to chapter 6,
he starts talking about what it means to die and be reborn.
in the idea that comes...
You know, he allowed to trying to claim
that he was the only one left that was a good, you know?
And God told him, said, no, there's something you don't know about.
That's right.
He's going to use him later as an example.
Well, look, if Roman 6 is not about choice,
I don't know what else is.
Because he basically came up with this response on...
In answer to the question,
well, if this grace is so good, which you touched on at Romans 5,
while we were sinners, Christ died for us.
He demonstrated his love while we were sinners in the very act.
Christ still love you and died for you.
So as typical humans do, we're like, oh, so if I go out there and do more sin,
which is pleasurable for me, well, God's got to forgive me.
Like all of a sudden, God doesn't know your heart and your intention
and the choices you make, which are important,
because he created us with the ability to do that.
So then he brings up a choice that you make about baptism, which is all it is.
But you're not choosing, because we've already got the fact established firmly that the righteousness is from God.
Yep.
That's where that's coming from.
He's providing that through Jesus.
So in a weird, ironic way, he gives us the ability to choose to surrender, which is no.
never going to be based on your performance because the replica he chose for us to reenact
the gospel in is the choice of you performing complete surrender, which is the opposite of performance.
I mean, to me, that's the ironic, God, genius part of this.
Because you say, yeah, I'm going to choose Christ.
Well, what do you need to do?
Quit choosing.
Quit.
You need to give up.
You're like, well, how do I do that?
That's why I think there's so much argument about baptism
because a lot of people don't think it's very important
because they're like, well, you can't do anything to earn your salvation.
Exactly.
That's why baptism is a choice of you giving up yourself
because God did give us the ability to choose.
You die, you're buried, you're raised,
the old self is crucified.
I mean, I'm just quoting what he says.
We know that our old self was crucified with him, Mrs. 6.6, for we, so that the body of sin might be done away with that we should no longer be slaves to sin.
But I think when you put all that combination together, it doesn't nullify where the righteousness is coming from, where the grace is coming from.
But you also see the ability to choose, because then when he gets to Romans 10, 9, and 10, well, we all know that verse, that if you believe in your heart of God,
raising from the dead and confessory of Mount Jesus is Lord, you'll be saved.
It's the same concept.
You're choosing him.
And by doing that, you're allowing him to have the performance and the control and to lead your life.
So I agree.
And the thing about it is you say, well, Ephesians 1 says, he chose us.
Correct.
In Jesus.
So God sent his son, a part of him who he is.
who he knew about before creation of time, that that would be our pathway to salvation,
was in Jesus.
So, yes, he chose us in him.
And he gets all the credit and all the glory.
But we chose Jesus by faith to then understand that's how we get our relationship.
So I love it.
The will of God was that all men will choose me and be saved.
Our will, we submit ourselves to him.
He gets all the credit and glory.
So when you look at this, that's exactly what he's saying.
in six, seven, and age.
It's not unlike what he said in John,
what John said about Jesus
when he said, verse 10,
he was in the world,
and though the world was made through him,
the world didn't recognize him.
He came to that which is his own,
but his own did not receive him.
Talking about the Jewish nation.
And then he says, in verse 12,
yet to all who received him,
what does that mean exactly,
received him?
like, yes, Lord, I believe, I choose, I call on your name, I believe, I surrender, I'm baptized.
I want to remind you of the gospel of which you received and on which you've taken your stand.
But watch what the wording says.
Yet to all he received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.
Because it's showing you, well, he's the one doing the saving.
Right.
but we're like yeah I'm I'm receiving so you know whether you I think about a football you
mean through the pass and you can just say you're not even try to catch it or you can just get in
the way of it and say yeah okay that's down all right well if the ball hadn't been thrown
guess what you're not going to catch it yes right but he's throwing it to you and you're like well
I just can't I have you know it's not up to me yeah it's up to catch the past
Jesus threw it to you.
I think I'll take my chances without that.
Oh, you don't have a chance with that.
There is no chance.
But you see what I mean now about what Phil's original point?
A lot of people are like, well, it's just nothing I can do.
We're just sitting around and either God chose me or he didn't.
And I'm like, well, he's throwing the past to you right now.
And you're like, well, I'm just not going to even put my hands up, you know, because I can't do it.
I was like, no, you put you.
You can do it.
That's a.
Let's take.
take one last break. So to your point, Jay's, as we're moving through Romans here, we're giving
you the big bird's eye view. He makes this exact point in Romans 9, 10, 11 because he looks back
to his own heritage and where he used to be. And now he's talking to the Jewish people. He says,
look, you think you were chosen to be the only ones who would receive salvation. But I'm
telling you, the whole purpose of Israel was to open the door for the whole world. And
world to understand who Jesus was. That is correct.
That was the whole point of Romans 9, 10, 11.
He was refuting the idea that only a select group would be able to experience salvation.
So it's ironic that we kind of argue this idea about whether you're, how we get chosen.
Well, let me, let me read another word.
That's really the point of Romans 9, 10, 11. Yeah, I agree 100%. I want to read another verse on it
because I'm, I don't got, I don't got fired up about this.
But second Thessalonian. We couldn't even tell. We couldn't tell you. Now listen to this.
So I'm on it. I use the.
football analogy. Now me use a phone ringing.
In chapter 2 and 13 of
2nd Thessalonians, he says,
but we always to thank God for you,
love by the Lord, because from the beginning,
God chose you to be saved.
So from the beginning,
this whole thing was worked out
in God's mind to choose us to be saved.
I just read it. So I agree.
Through the work of the Spirit,
and through belief in the truth.
Well, I know who the truth is.
Jesus, he said, I am the way the truth, the life.
And I know when the spirit was poured out
and made available to everyone in Acts chapter 2.
So for the last couple thousand years,
and everybody before that,
Hebrews 11 explains how that all worked together.
But here's the point I want to make.
But he called you to this,
so he chose you from the beginning,
But he called you to this through our gospel.
Yep.
So you say, what does that mean?
Well, God called you.
How?
Through the gospel.
So when Jesus is declared, his death-bound resurrection, that is God calling you.
Well, you got a choice.
You going to answer the phone or not.
The phone is ringing the whole book of Romans.
He's saying, I'm proclaiming the government.
gospel. We're calling people.
And there's power in it. If there was no, if there was just a small group chosen before and
doesn't matter what choices you make here, well, why are we here? What are you doing here?
Bigger question is, why did Jesus come here?
Why did he come? Why are we? We're here because God uses us through His Holy Spirit,
the message of Jesus, to call people. We're the phones of God. I thought you'd like this,
you don't like a cell phone.
You need to say, I am a phone.
Yeah.
God's phone, a megaphone.
Yeah.
You have a point.
So, but I'm just saying, but people say, well, I just don't know what to do.
At some point when the phone is ringing and you're hearing Jesus, you think, you know, I might aren't
answer this.
That's exactly right.
Now you say, oh, well, you, but you're.
You'll be like the apostle Paul.
What's your got?
He said, oh, I'll have your life in my hands.
So what's he telling me when I are you, Lord?
What's he telling me when I answer?
Because people don't like to say answer because then they're like, well, you're saying there's something you can do.
Well, when you answer it, he's like, and you say, what do I need to do?
And he's like, surrender, which means pretty much nothing.
Give up everything you got and come follow me.
And you're like, okay.
So he lays out, so he lays out the case and then he lays out.
Or you walk away like the rich man and say, I just can't do it.
You don't have to answer?
You're asking too much of me.
Some people walk away.
Now, God knows who I answer, but I don't.
So you follow then the logic as he's gone through, and he makes the case, 9 through 11,
that it's open for all people.
And then he gets to 12, and he pivots in the last part of the Book of Romans,
by going impractically of what that would look like.
What would it look like for Jew and Gentile to be together?
Everybody to understand what this is.
And he starts out with those pivotal.
That's a feat.
That's a feat.
To pull them two together.
The mystery has been solved.
It's for all people.
And then he basically, in those first two verses of Romans 12, as we've quoted many times,
he lays out that now there will be no more temple worship.
It's kind of a foundational for what he's going to say.
Because if you're often in your bodies that's living sacrifice,
you're obviously going to be able to wrap your head around how to live in a civilization
where there's governments and laws and cultures where how do you function as Jesus wants you to function
in these environments. And that's what he deals with the rest of the way. So he said,
thinking about from two different minds, says the Jews are going to understand what he's saying,
because there's no more offering of sacrifices for sin because now Jesus has done that. He's the
ultimate sacrifice. But think about it from the Gentile mindset, they've been offering up sacrifices
to all these false idols, you know, all the things they're given and all these different things.
Now he's saying none of that, he wants you. You are the living sacrifice. And the common theme
on how to battle all these things is love. That's why when, when he, when he's,
If you have yourself's living sacrifice and you have a different way of thinking in our world,
what does that look like?
Well, it looks like that you're not going to let any debt remain outstanding except for love.
No matter what happens in all situations, that's why when he gets to 14,
talking about the weak and the strong and all the differences, and you're never going to get
along with everybody, and we're going to have arguments in the church, outside of the church,
about everything under the sun.
So he's like, better have love on straight.
That's exactly right.
That's just what it's going to tell.
I like this one.
The Lord's servant, here's our job, must not quarrel.
Instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
Those who oppose him, he must gently instruct in the hope that God will grant them repentance,
leading them to a knowledge of the truth.
And here's my point.
and that they will come to their senses.
In order for a person to follow Jesus, Jace,
they have to come to their senses
and escape from the trap of the devil
who's taking them captive to do.
What did Luke 15?
You say, well, do I have the freedom to say,
I'm on the wrong side of this
and I need to come to my senses?
Well, if you, to come to your senses,
you have to have the free will
to come to your senses.
And you have every...
And where was that?
Well, you read?
That was Paul to Timothy and 2nd Timothy 2.24.
Well, Jesus to the Pharisees
on why he was eating with sinners
when he's told the prodigal son
and he's in the pig pen
and he's actually eating the slop.
The phrase he used, verse 17.
When he came to his senses...
That is my point.
He said...
And then he did what?
Maybe I should go back to the...
And look, you have the choice...
Made a choice.
Get up.
Yeah, you have the choice of not coming to your senses and keep eating the slop.
I'm going to tell you this.
If you're in a pig pan eating slop based on your decision-making process and you want to be free.
And you come to your senses and say, you know what, maybe I already get out of here.
And there's a voice telling you, no, you just can't do it.
I'm going to tell you, that's not a good voice to listen to.
That's correct.
I would get up and run back to the father
and I know what's going to happen.
He's going to accept you.
And you've got steak on the menu, rib eyes.
Rib eyes on the menu.
I said the only thing that wasn't happy during that process
was that fat calf because it got smoked in the name of Jesus.
That's right.
Going back to my killing the spider analogy, I'm just saying,
I like a cow, but if someone,
someone has come from death to life and they're going to live forever,
I'm fixing to sacrifice that cow, we're going to eat some rib-eye, rib-eye.
Can we go into heaven?
That's right.
So you understand, I mean, when you look at it, that's the big picture of the book
and exactly why he laid it out in the way to do it.
I think it's the greatest book in the Bible.
Well, you know, for understanding Christianity, it is, and we said this at the beginning,
it is like the ultimate picture of what this is really about.
Church.
I mean, I think the Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are greater importance because they give you the picture of Jesus.
Yep.
Because what is God like?
Because if you didn't know what God was like in Jesus, you wouldn't be functioning in this capacity.
I mean, because if he's the head of the church and where the body, because he wrote to members of the body of Christ.
Right.
So, and that's why I always, you know, you got to remember, I keep saying this.
but those first 16 verses, he started off with the God,
he mentions the gospel, because you're the body of Christ.
Jesus is your Lord.
Look, First Corinthians, I think I looked up.
I think 94 times he says Jesus is Lord in 1st Corinthians.
It was in the 90s.
I can't remember the exact number.
But 94 times.
So you said, what do you think their problem was?
well maybe Jesus wasn't the Lord of their life.
If he had to say it over 90 times, let me remind you, Jesus is Lord.
Yep.
Well, it was a good study.
I enjoyed it.
So we're going to be heading to Matthew next.
I guess your assignment is to check out the Book of Matthew because that's where we're going.
We're 28 chapters of wonderful.
I'm excited.
You all keep the faith out there.
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