Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 336 | Jase Is in Trouble With Missy for Telling Stories & Why Miss Kay Had to Pay to Marry Phil

Episode Date: August 29, 2021

Missy is NOT happy about one story Jase told on the podcast. Jase risks his life to catch his largest bass ever, but conveniently, he doesn't have his phone with him to take a picture. Al spots a punny church marquee with a message about masks, but Jase isn't a fan. Phil and Al debate the age of the Earth and the different ways God could have created it. Jase describes the “Jesus party” Matthew threw to show his coworkers — other tax collectors — the glory of God. And Phil talks about why Miss Kay had to pay for their wedding. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I had something profound happened yesterday, but I have no proof. Well, it might not be so profound. It may be a figment of your imagination. Well, Missy's, she went out of town. She's tying up some loose ends here and there. By the way, Ms. Kay said under no circumstances ever, would she turn down? black and croppy she said i don't stick black and croppy in front of me because i want some of

that well i told missy i told that story because then i thought how's she going to feel about that evidently not too well she said now people are going to think i'm some weirdo she's like i made a commitment i put a positive spin that she's like i made a commitment not to do that and it was kind of between her and God, she does these things. That's how she's operating. The black and crop it got in the way of her diet basically is what she's. She's not on a diet. She's just fasting from meat.

Yeah, sometimes she'll just eat vegetables for three days or she does that kind of stuff. The problem was I don't keep up with all this. How would I know that? I'm not. I was right about it. I knew the problem was going to be that she told you this three days ago. Oh, yeah, of course. And she was upset because you didn't remember.

I mean, look, I can't remember hardly anything. So anyway, I got through that. So, you know, when she's gone. There's a rock group that's called Moody Blues. Moody Blues. Now, this is nothing about being moody. This was just me getting it wrong. So I'm back over at Willys,

because I'm looking for some more crappy. Because now I'm bad that I blackened them because I did them for her. So I'm fixed to fry some. You were forced to eat them all. Yeah. Yeah. So this is like next day, I'm back over there. You know, because they only bite right there for a dart.

So I had had some guests a week ago. I think I told you all about it where I was trying to get them to catch a big bass over there. Of course, when you try to do something, it becomes almost impossible. So I got this little, I mean, it looks like a kid's riding real. It's a little bitty short thing, open face, you know, with the kind you like, what's the word of the bell? Yeah, with the bell, you click over. So what I have on there is I have a little bitty jig and I have right above at six inches, a little weight.

And then about two foot above that, I have a court. because I wasn't catching anything until I started suspending that little grub jig. Yep. And so when we were trying to catch the big bass, I was using an H&H, and I got hung on a top out in the middle, and I thought, hmm, somebody's put a top out there, because it wasn't a top there before. It's this Jay Stone move here. Put the secret top out in a stop pond.

Don't tell anybody. Don't tell anybody, but I found it. So. There's a lot of secrets going around the pond. Have you noticed that? A lot of people are not sharing your relationship. We're called the pond. He's not fixated on the crop and with his pond, but he's close.

Bill, I have an addiction. Let's have this intervention. I am addicted to eating fresh cropy. I can't help it. The temptation is too great. I would think it's one of the perfect diets. They're baked, they're grilled fish. Yeah.

You know, Jesus loved fish. That's enough for me right there. Well, right. First meal he ordered post-resurrection was give me some fish. I mean, last one he had on the planet. Look, when he picked these men were fixed to get into Matthew, welcome to the Matthew debut. I mean, one of the famous lines is you come following me,

and I'll make you fishers of men. But, I mean, these were fishermen. I've been there and done that. So anyway, so I go out, so I thought I want to, since I had a rod and reel, not a jig pole, I said, I want to try out there where I got hung. So that's the first thing I did, because I got my little honey hole that we won't give the details in

in case anybody's listening to this, who has access to that. Protect a hole, which is doubtful. So I flipped this thing as about as far as I could throw to get it out there. Well, a couple of times I saw my court move just a little bit. I thought it was almost like a turtle was messing with it, but they wouldn't just take it.

I was like, what is that? So I kept, I become obsessed with, because I could tell something was messing with it because I was seeing that court. And this went on for about 10 minutes. Well, finally, that court just, it kind of stood straight up and just started easing down. I said, well, here we go.

So I just sat back the hook, and I thought, whatever this is is not edible, too big. because it was just it was just raw weight yeah dead weight and so the fight ensued

now once this thing got closer it started making runs and pulling drags I was like it's not a turtle because I mean well

the announcement I have for you I don't know what this thing way because I landed the fish I got in fact I put I risk my life

because I was up on the bridge and I had to stair step down the rocks because way too big. It was a bass, largemouth bass. But it was the biggest bass I've ever caught in my life. And I've caught, I've got some hefty bass. I mean, the biggest one off the top of my head probably was in a tournament. We got a lake down here. Did you know how? It was nine pounds and 10 ounces.

But this one was. bigger. Did you don't have your phone? I didn't have my phone. Well, I, because, you know, I'm like, I flew around and land this thing after, I don't know how long the fight was. But I had to stair step down these rocks down the bridge. While I looked, I jumped and I thought this grass was like a foot high around Willie's

pond. It's four foot high. So when I jumped into the grass, you know, I just disappeared. Yeah. I'm in the water. I'm like, you kidding me. And so I get this bass up there I mean he's like okay I'm done

He wore out So I grabbed him And by the way I mean my That little jig was in his mouth I could stick my fist You know all the way it And I could move it I could have stuck two of them in there

This thing was humongous What I found fascinating though is Because I reached down to get my phone No I don't have my phone And I'm like well what do you do with this thing Nothing So I just I had him in the edge of the

grass, got the bait out, and I just laid him there, and he just quite the sight. Well, I got up the rock, I started crappie fishing. That, that Joker laid there. He was in the water, but just like, he was just rested. For 10 minutes, I'd look over there at him. I was like, I wonder if he's just, did he die? Or, and I thought, well, if somebody will come by here with a phone, I'll take a picture of him. This ought to be fun, you know, but nobody did. But, but, nobody did. But, but, but, But finally after about 10 minutes, I heard, and I looked up. He just gathered himself and took off. And I was like, well, since I have no proof of that, I need to tell that story.

Well, BK caught one in there that looked like he was over 10. But Jay got a picture, but it may be that same fish. Might have been. Everybody's, you know, nobody, what are you going to do with the big old bass? Well, they've got it down. Jay's keeps talking about we finally caught them all, caught them all, caught them all, but they keep catching. Well, the bass.

It's hard to catch them all. I hadn't saying you catch them all. That's what these fools are saying. It's just no longer that easy, as in you just throw anywhere with any contraption at any time and catch them. You know, at first when they first stocked that day, there were all the neighbors. Well, now you're down to the seas and veterans down there.

And oh, you can catch them. You just got to know what you do. Because they're the ones that don't breathe, breed, right? I mean, that's the... No, they said that, but they're breeding. I'm catching small, cropy, medium cropy, and large crop. Oh, yeah.

You got too many cropy in there. I'm just hammering them. So they're giving up on it because they don't think they're there. You got the best gig in town. Oh, well, my neighbor, uh-oh. Yeah, that's, you know, Willie's wife. When I'm walking back, he's like, what's you got there? But it's dark.

I said, supper. And he said, you got any. Cropi there? I said, boy, it's slow. The bass are really hitting. I was like, diversion. He said Cropi. He's like, well, I hadn't fished down there in a while. Somebody said they called all the Cropi out of there. I was like, you never know. These people, they're hammering it. You sound like somebody did a congressional investigation. Not to lie. As far as I can recall, you know, as far as I remember. I was like, well, you know, I mean, it's too hot to fish. I think. I think.

think it's too hot anyway. I was planting a seed. Don't go out there. It's hot. Stay away. I love it. So anyway, look, been here over 50 years. You catch something that's the biggest you've ever called. I thought that was worthy of an announcement. It's just like, it meant very little to me. It was just like in jaws when he came in and said, oh, we know it's a great white because we had the tooth. He said, you got the tooth? Let me see the tooth. He said, I dropped it. He was like, okay. Sure. Really? So I want to mention, before we get into Matthew, our brother-in-law, Tony Thomas was just here.

We love Tony. He's quite the artiste. He's got a new thing. He's going to show everybody, a couple of new paintings. And so he's going to do a Facebook live, and I'm going to join him just so it'll be interesting. And it's going to be on Saturday, September 4th, 7 p.m. Central, so wherever you are across the country. So 7P is on Facebook and Instagram Live. So look for that on Tony's, I guess it'll be on his page or whatever. So we're going to unveil some new stuff that he's doing. So it should be fun.

So we're in Matthew. Oh, wait, before we get into that, Jayes, I meant to mention this yesterday. I wanted to show it so you can see it. One of the church buildings coming out here, this was on their sign. It says, Paul, please come to Damascus, which I thought was interesting. I think they're talking about Paul, the biblical writer. Right. So instead of Damascus, they said DeMascus, which I thought was interesting.

Kind of a preacher joke, but... They're tired of their mask. They're tired of their mouth. Well, I think maybe you had a city named Damascus. Don't overthink it, Judge. No, I'm serious. I know. This is the joke.

Look, the first thing I would do if we... If I was put in charge of the religious organizations, is we need to, what are these things called where they put these messages? Yeah, it's just their sign. I mean. Yeah, whatever that is, we need to do away with that. Yeah, because they're always trying these little puns. Oh, it's cheap.

It is the most cheesy, and I don't know why I read them, but it's so frustrated. See, like this. Yeah. This. It was still there today. I saw yesterday had today. Some guy, he's proud of himself. This is disturbing to me.

Well, it got my attention, so I thought it was worthy of notes. Here's what I think we should do. If we were put in charge of the signs, you just put a name and definition of God or Jesus on your sign. If we're going to get into that with Matthew. Right. So put what is the meaning of Jesus? Or a text, right? I mean...

Well, Jesus, though, I'm saying is the Greek... What is it, Joshua? I think so. Greek Joshua, and it means the Lord saves. So just put on your sign, the Lord saves. See, here's one. So I just looked it up. You're not following it.

Church signs. Social distancing does not apply to God, draw near to him. See, it's... It's not that I don't agree with them. It's too cheesy. Just put the Lord says, so put Emmanuel. You know what that means? Yep.

God is with us. God is with us. Just make declarations of who God is, not cheesy political slash religious connections. Quit looking at those signs and let's move on. Adam and Eve, the first people who did not read the apple terms and conditions. This is not good to me. This is what's wrong.

This is why people won't meet in church building. So you're saying the signs are not helping is what you're saying. No, they're not helping. If I was, if I was not in Jesus, then that's your attempt at marketing. I'm out. I'm out. Yeah, we don't put anything on ours.

That's not appealing to me. Let's take a break. All right. So the Book of Matthew, it's, It's listed as the first one, not that that matters. It could have been anywhere in the line. In fact, most scholars agree that Mark is actually the first one written because Matthew pulls some things from Mark. So who comes up with this stuff?

Oh, you got people that have studied this for thousands of years. I've always thought Matthew was the first one. It's the first one in order. The reason why most people think the reason, there's a lot of debate about it. The most reason people think it is is because it's the most Jewish. So, Dad, you made the point that when you get to the end of Malachi, and, you know, back in Daniel, you're looking forward. There was a period where we didn't really...

Does this really matter, though? Well, no. Yeah. But, I mean, it's interesting to some people that it is a, it is the most Jewish of all the God of the forehouse. So what do you mean by us the most Jewish? Well, it mentions the most about prophecy, 60 Old Testament references of prophecies.

It begins with the seed line. the Jewish seed line. Correct. The royal. Everybody's got to remember that doesn't cover because when you say, well, I can date all of this. Well, Matt Owens and

myself, we looked into this pretty strongly. We tried our best to add up all the lineages. You know, he begins with Abraham. Matthew, 1, verse 2, a record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

But now you have all these generations before them that start with, when God created that, he went Adam, Seth. So you have Seth, Matthew doesn't cover that. But you have Seth over here. He's going all the way to Noah. It's just one genealogy after the other one. That's in Genesis 5. Noah lived and Noah was 500 years old. Well, then you got to remember all the generations up to that point came to naught because God drowned them all. But eight, all those generations, they're gone. We were just trying to figure out how many years there was from Genesis to Matthew. We ended up with an educated guess, and we got it at about 5,000 years, give or take a little, 5,300 or so.

And that's a... Add the 2,0221 to that. But we were... But they live longer. Right. It's a difficult undertaking because you had a... You think about a generation, even in our... But it gives a number of years that most of them lived.

At together, Lamek lived 777 years and then he died. Noah was 500 years. It gives them when they die. You can form a pretty good pattern on the age of the... earth by looking at this. So I'm just throwing that in. I'm not a theologian. Right, right. But we got it at about from Genesis, the creation to Jesus, roughly 5,000, 5,300. There's a lot of people that study this way more in-depth professors who were converted to Christianity because of the very thing we're talking about. And they've got it as a young earth, which I believe

that to be true. So. And I'm more of an over. We keep coming up with this argument. but he could have made the earth old. Correct. That's correct. What's the peak problem of that? It's not. Not a problem. And we won't know until we get, until we don't.

It doesn't really bother me. Why is this information that I need to know? Because it floats around from all circles that no, well, no, it's millions of years old. That doesn't bother me because he could have made it millions of years old. He could have. in the beginning. Or it could have made it through process. You know, because it takes...

It's just some people that are Christians who are also scientists, scientists, they believe it was a process. It's like when I went and visited the Ark, which is up in Kentucky, and it's amazing. A lot of people... But then they got a cage over there was some dinosaurs in it. And I was like, I just can't buy that. The dinosaurs weren't around the same time people were. There's no way.

he could have made them where it was like there were dinosaurs there but dinosaurs running around you don't have a couple of t-rexes on your arc because for long there ain't nobody going to be left by the time we get to where we're going they've eaten everybody so they had some dinosaurs yeah in the cage i was like well they think the dinosaurs yeah they came on with everything else i guess but i'm saying they must think they died in the flood or whatever i guess so a lot of people say when it says in the beginning the spirit was hovering over the waters they insert it there. That could have been millions of years to kind of agree with the scientists on the earth is 13. Cosmos is 13.5 billion. Well, you may be right. It could be. But I always say. I beg the difference.

I don't believe that. And it's a studied opinion all the way. Well, in the order of important things, number one being Jesus introduced to the world, this is way down the list. Now, you'll get all kind of people sending you. We'll get a lot of people sending us what they're. think about the age of the earth. Well, I've got it about... This is way down the list of important things that we did.

We got into it back early when we talked about Genesis. But, Jay's to answer your question about the genealogy here, it was important enough for Matthew that he included it. That's my point. And I think the reason why he did it, so why? So the reason why is the clue is in 17, because it's really interesting. There were 14 generations. Why did he start at Abram?

14 generations. I was going to from Abraham to David, and then 14 from David to the exile, which is where Daniel shows up. And he got 14 after that. So there's a pattern here. That's right. Well, just which means what? Which to me means that the main focus of the genealogy was first Abraham because God made a covenant with Abraham that would apply to all people. He said, you will be the father of all nations.

I mean, everybody's going to come up meaning of faith. Matthew is giving you the source of Jesus Christ. Exactly. And then he goes to David. and the reason the covenant with David is important is he said it is an everlasting royal kingdom that will come through your lineage. And so that's the reason I think he mentions those two. And now we get to Jesus. So the three central figures, and you could include Moses, but Matthew says it's Abraham, it's David, it's Jesus. That shows you what God had planned the whole time. That's why he

starts it. I agree. It shows that it was a plan. But two, now this is interesting. It's actually the seed line to Joseph. Joseph, correct. Who was not his father? That's my point. Right. So do you want to comment on that? I do.

So I think the reason why that is is because Jesus had to have everything right. So for him to be, even though he wasn't Joseph's son, he had to be a legal heir of the kingdom. And that's why it was done this way. When you go over to Luke three, he, goes all the way back to Adam there. I thought Luke was Marius. It is. Although she's not mentioned, it mentions Joseph again.

But here's how you know the two. So when you get to David, there's a fork for these two genealogies. Which one goes through one son, one from the farts are good in genealogy. That's exactly right. So one was from the seed line of David, you know, going all the way back. And one was the seed line going back just on the royal side. That's what I wanted you to make. the point to make.

So I think that was the purpose of both genealogies. And I think to answer your question, Judge, the reason Matthew is doing this from a Jewish perspective is that's who he's going to speak to. Most people think he wrote this in Hebrew. And here's the whole point of the whole thing. Any way you slice it, I've heard it both ways, argument about our heritage from start to finish is Jewish. That's right. We owe as Gentiles.

We owe our salvation to Jesus. Jesus. And then all the way back, and the Father of Faith is Abraham. He's the first time I call the Hebrew, Abraham, Abram the Hebrew. That's the first time you read about the group known as Hebrews. Right. So, way back in Genesis. So you look at it. And what's interesting is Abraham even predates, you know, what we think of is what happened in the desert that created the people of God. Actually, it was way back then. That's right. Before even that, which, you know, that's where you got the promises. So that's kind of the importance of it. Plus, you know, the Jews, they should have heard this.

Matthew showed them. Yeah. It's all Jewish. Right. And so what's interesting, though, Jay, let's talk a little bit about Matthew, the man. Out of all the people, out of the 12, the guy who you would think would have the least, what would you call it? Skill set. Yeah.

Maybe a skill set, but the least credibility. Yeah. Because he was an outcast. I mean, the man was a tax collector, which for his day was like the worst of the worst. This day, the IRS is not spoken of too highly. No. None of us like the tax man. Well, I have a, hmm, I have a next segment of my...

Hang on, let's take a break because this is big. Jay says, hmm, segment. Yes, it's a hmm segment. So he was named Levi also, which is common. I mean, this is my theory because if you read, was that Mark 2? It's like 13, I think. So they were calling him Levi,

so at some point he's Matthew. But a lot of people had a name change when they encountered Jesus or put their faith in God. So here's my, hmm. So Levi, which is basically when you think of Levi, I mean, what pops in your head?

some kind of priest yeah the tribe the priestly tribe you kind of rule oriented ritualistic faith or whatever so he's his new name is matthew which is the definition of matthew is the gift of god gift of god so i got to thinking about it in i think all cultures gifts are not taxable you know if you get a gift now i think they put a cap on it now this is why i said it some hmm you know with someone well what i'm saying is if you're a there is a cap there's a cat there's a 15 000 that's what it is yeah but i'm saying the general principle deeper than that yeah which is you know he's he's he's a tax collector outcast i don't think it's strong enough word because they were i mean can you imagine well and he probably he his fellow disciples is worthy of

know, were illiterate. Illiterates. Yeah, he was probably the only... They did him go to kindergarten, junior high, high school. These people were not educated at all. That's right. So if you take a bunch and all of a sudden, you look up and you say, who is that? And you say, well, I don't know.

Jesus told him to follow up, follow him, and he's one of us. It would have had to be a giant chasm to cross for Matthew to walk up. among them now and the chosen when they brought it up yeah they they they had him pictured as kind of a freaky bean counter kind of a freaky bean counter with autism kind of on the scale asburger scale yeah yeah and look i don't know i think it was interesting i mean may i think they get that idea because i thought well where in the world when you know what he does is you know he there's a thing you can look you can google him the actor talking about it.

When he's talking, he's always, you know, he's like counting on his fingers. Oh, yeah. He's always, these little ticks. But I thought it was brilliant because he was the most different. He was a financial wizard type. Exactly. Well, but you know he's got social issues. I've seen a few of them.

I've run from them, you know. You know he's got social. Matthew, I've got to embrace him as a brother. So I'm thinking, boy, do you with? I'm with the IRS. I'm like, oh, okay. Well, you just got to think they're hated. And I think if you read his calling, let me read the Mark 2, and I'll give you my thoughts on why I think they did that.

This is Mark 2.13. Once again, Jesus went out beside the lake. A large crowd came to him and he began to teach him. As he walked along, he saw Levi sitting at the tax collector's booth. Follow me, Jesus told him, and Levi got up and fallen. While Jesus was having dinner at Levi's house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, I mean, he keeps saying that over and over. They asked the disciples, why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?

On hearing this, Jesus said to him, it is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous but sinners. So in Matthew 9. Matthew 9, which he has the same story. Yeah. But now it's Matthew, so I guess he's writing him by himself. Well, why wait nine chapters? And why use Matthew instead of Levi?

Well, that's why I said. Because I think that Matthew meaning the gift of God was some kind of message to him about you know, who God is and what he was doing. I mean, I think he was in a world where if you're smart enough and you're getting paid and you're in with the right people, you can be, you know, successful. You're a government official, which was a monarchy, which was a monarchy, and he was one of the boys. Well, that's right.

Because he's the one policing the people out of their money. And most tax collectors, the reason they were so hated, not only were they representing taking money for the Romans and the Jews, by the way, Herod, they were getting. Our country has taken what the Romans did and extended that even more. On steroids. But at least we don't have another country coming in taking taxes and them people working for those. That would be worse, is what I'm saying. And that's what was going on here. Yeah, because they were occupies.

And most tax collectors would shave off money for themselves. You remember when Zakias, his story, he was like, when he finally got it with Jesus, he was like, I've been fleecing people and I'm going to give back, you know, four times what I stole. Yeah. Because he had a moment, you know, he was like, but that gave you an insight into it. Now, Matthew, it never says he was skimming, but you know he was because they all did. It's how they made money. Well, I just think it's significant that the name got changed to Matthew, which means the gift of God. I just think there's something there.

But one guy I read, he noticed it too. And what he said, because there's another thing in here, I think I wrote it down the notes, but that one of them calls him in one of the descriptions as a son of Alpheus. Yeah, it says that in. But there's another disciple, James, the son of Alphus. So you wonder if his brother was a disciple, which would have kind of gone in line with him there. There could have been a little friction there. Right.

I'm working with the IRS crowd and the other one. Well, one guy said that I read, he said he thought that he would have been known as Levi, except that once he was kind of excommunicated probably from his family, when he became a tax collector, that that's when the name changed. But what's interesting, it changed the gift of God, which is, like, to your point, that's an interesting name. It's not really a taxable thing. There it is.

There's nothing you can do to earn, because that's the way he'd been living his life. He had worked his way up the, up the, corrupt ladder of being a publican and so kind of like our politicians today right i mean you do whatever you just basically tell matthew your numbers are not adding up to what they should but mine will right well well it shows you though i think what they did on the chosen was they because i think if you think about it where it said you know i think they got it from that statement it's not the healthy anita doctor but the sick right he was he was more than you It's worth thinking about the spiritual condition, but that might have contributed.

I mean, he might have had some kind of social disorder. I mean, who embraces that against his own people? Somebody probably was some social issues. I mean, I like the idea that they went down that road. Plus, they should tell everybody that are members of the kingdom, which Matthew gets into, it should let you know that some people who are down right. freaky. But they're welcoming it to the kingdom.

Yeah, it's a well. Because you have a bunch of illiterates running with this, this financial wizard. And you say, just to get along, the classes are so profound. Right. Between illiterate fishermen. And they see this guy that's been going out there to taxing them. Right. Peter.

Yeah. Which, again, I think the Chosen's done a nice job of that to show that tension. I mean, everybody had been bitten somewhat by Matthew. You got a member. Boy, you got a little bit. Hang on, Jess. Let's take another break. Part of his character is revealed when he dropped all his new, his buddies, to go follow Jesus.

Well, pretty amazing. He dropped them like a ton of bricks like that. And walked away from his wealth. Of course, the old Roman and chosen that second, he was like, you're going to do what? He's like, give it all up for what? Yeah. But Matthew somehow, it was the right? Well, it was the gift to God.

Now we're getting into the while. I was saying, hmm. Well, I think he's, he's sort of like the first early version of Paul in the group. Because Paul come along. He was highly educated. You know, he had all this. But that was kind of Matthew's role because of this book. I mean, you know, because he expounds a lot here.

In fact, the guy that does, there's a guy that does the chosen, like, it's called six things you probably didn't know about Matthew. If you Google that, I thought it was really interesting. I sent it to y'all. And to your point, it's. He said he had to be fluid in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic just to do his job. That's a brain right there. I mean, you know, if he's mastered four languages, he's a pretty sharp guy. And then basically, he built all this stuff for the Romans.

Plus, you needed someone. I'm glad, you know, that the Peters of the world and the fisherman part, I mean, as a redneck, I'm self-imposed redneck. But I said, you know, I appreciate. River rat. I appreciate that God would be so generous toward people who were not brains. This is for everybody. I think one of the reasons Matthew's in there is, by the way, in that group that's the money, the money man, they can be saved too.

Well, I picked them too. But isn't that interesting, Dad, that we, the most of them. Like you said, Jace, the gift is the gift is wide. But then Moses was an outcast, I mean, not Moses. Matthew was an outcast. because he was smart and connected. So it does make it interesting when you think about Christianity. It really is available for everybody.

It's for everybody. It's hard for rich men to make it, according to Jesus, so hard. You know, like putting the camera through the eye of a needle. Well, you know, if it's that difficult and the money was the issue, in this case, he dropped what he was doing and said, okay. The rich young ruler didn't, but he did. That's right. But the calling of Matthew gave the caveat, it's available to everybody as long as you're acknowledging yourself as a center.

I mean, the point that gets lost in him calling Matthew, even though he was probably weird as a follower, for the all the reasons we've saved, we said, you know, I just don't think it's an accident that he brings up. And I probably think this party at Matthew's house probably wasn't, like, imminent. This was probably just something he included. It just seems kind of weird that all of a sudden they're going to the house where, you know, when did you? Well, he would have had the means to throw a party. He could have, and it's not, it's not relevant to what I'm saying. But it seems to, Jesus made a point about saying it's not the healthy.

He needed a doctor but the sick. And he said in Matthew's account, but go learn what this means. I desire mercy, not sacrifice. for I've not come to call the righteous but sinners. I mean, to me, the more important point were these Pharisees who were looking at Jesus and who he was choosing and criticizing him. Well, they were the ones that were more impossible to be saved because they see no need for Jesus. Much harder.

But to your point in the last podcast, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. So literally when he says, I desire mercy, not sacred. He's going back for thousands of Jewish history and all those sacrifices that went up. He said, look, that's not what saves you. Mercy is what saves you. My mercy to you. And so I think it was really interesting that you're right, Jay. He aimed at these Pharisees because they're looking at all these tax claims.

Moses, I mean, I keep saying Moses. Matthew, the reason he wanted to bring these guys in, I think he wanted his people he knew, his circle, to meet Jesus. But it doesn't say any of them turned it around, but they were there. Somewhere it does, maybe? Maybe so. I'll have to look that up, but I think there's somewhere where it's implied. Maybe I read that somewhere, I don't know. But I think it was like any of us, if you found something great, the first people you'd

want to know about it is the people who you were around the most, whether it's your family or your friends or whatever. And that seems to be what Matthew did here, you know? Yeah. Paul told Titus, when the kindness and love of God, our Savior, appeared, he saved us. not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. Right.

And he told him, which Matthew, it's implemented in Matthew, or he, you know, he was, well, he said, because of his mercy,

he saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit who had poured out on us generally, through Jesus. Right. So that was the overall point. And Paul writes about it in the epistles, you read about what Matthew

wrote down. And it all agrees. Yeah. And I think, and I'm just guessing, but I think for Matthew, it was first a reconnect to his Jewishness. Yep. In Jesus. And then obviously, once he started following Jesus, he realized now we got to make another shift.

Yep. Because it's bigger than that. So that's why, you know, he, you know, Gentiles never even participated in the animal sacrifices as far as to God and all that, like the Jews had. Right. But you just think about what a gap that was to bring all of. together through one sacrifice. Jesus.

And Matthew, he got it. I know where I got that from, Al. In Luke's version of the calling of Matthew slash Levi, he says in Matthew 527, it said, after this, Jesus went out and saw a tax collector by the name of Levi sitting at his tax base. Same story. Follow me. Jesus said to him, and Levi got up, left everything and followed him.

then Levi, this is the added little bonus here, had a great banquet for Jesus at his house and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were eating with them. Oh, so he's got them all together. Well, here it was, I knew I'd read that somewhere, that it was like he did this for, he threw a Jesus party. He did. And he invited all his friends. Well, you're assuming maybe some of them, but they were least interested,

or why would they come? It could have been the last blowout too because he's fixing to be, he's walking away from the money, you know, so he had the last big blowout. But I think he wanted them to meet Jesus. I mean,

that's, obviously he had a moment. So he was doing his job early. That is a good sign. Yeah, I agree. Let's take your last. Let's think about that brought him some name calling and rebuked too.

Well, some of it showed up a day. wedding deal, I mean, at the big party, some of them are there just saying, all right, we'll go over and see what's going on. No different than any of us. When you come to Jesus, I'll guarantee you something. There's going to be a large amount of people who think you're now a weird at. Oh, what are you talking about? I received that like a gale force wind.

What are you doing? You know, what are you doing? Oh, when I said, oh, my goodness, it's a religious kick. Yeah. I said, I think it's more than that. Yeah. Because I was just trying to tell them it's over between me and you. I had that conversation, you know, on my buddies.

I mean, it took a while for me to have enough courage to do it. But a bunch of brainy bean counters, you know, money handlers, I would have hate to even be in that mix. I mean, you talk about rough. Oh, they thought he was having a complete nervous breakdown. They said he'd gone nuts. Which maybe that's why they come up with him. I mean, the job you had, the money you were making and you're going to give it all up, and you're wanting us to follow you?

You know what's interesting. But you know what's interesting is out of the, so you get the 12 together. Money's a powerful thing. And you know there's a lot of attention there because we read about some of it, but some are wanting to be next to Jesus. And James and John got their mom to come

and make a play for them. On the right and the left. Right. But you know, Matthew, wouldn't you think that Jesus would have put him in charge of the purse, but he didn't. Judas had the purse. That's interesting.

That's an interesting. I mean, I don't know what it means, but you'd think the guy that was the money handler that speaks to foreign languages would have been the guy. It's almost like, you know. You would have thought Matthew was in line for the betrayal, but no. I don't think they would have. I think that's why he was doing some shady stuff. That's probably why he was eliminated.

You think so? But we know that Judas was skimming because some of the... That's the way life is, though. Whoever you think by human judgments, you think, oh, I don't. You're usually wrong. That's right. It's the guy you're never thinking. I like it how they did it on the Chosen with Judas.

I've seen him grow in the faith and go way beyond my wildest expectations. I said, that old boy, he got it. But it was 30 years later after their conversion, I just watched them. And I'm like, man, I said, all he went through there. He's all waited through when he turned to Jesus. These buddies were after him. What are you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And obviously, we knew that Judas never did. I love John's little commentaries about him. He's like, you know, he would gripe about, you know, these people, you know, pouring the perfume on Jesus and all this. It was like, but he helped himself to the back. You know, it was like, John was like, it was inside they knew, you know. Well, he was writing that in retrospect. Right. Yeah, he just couldn't help.

He couldn't make a sentence about Judas without saying something else. I mean, in a good way. Once he had been proved to one year. He was like, his guy. Of course, obviously, they didn't know. that's a good point, Jay's because at the table, when Jesus says one of he's going to betray me, they're looking around and Peter's looking at John, like, I know who it is. Like, they have no idea. You're not, we just put ourselves in these

shells where we think we can see this, but you don't know. I've been so wrong on so many people that finally I got it. I thought, I'm staying away from predicting the outcome of people's hearts coming to Jesus. I'm telling you. I'll tell you, as a general rule, most of the worst people I've ever met turn out to be the greatest disciples of Jesus. So I'm done with that because you just don't know. And a lot of the people that I thought, man, you know, this guy's a minister or he's in the ministry and he's on fire for Jesus. Then you look up five years down the road and he's having an affair.

He left his wife. I mean, what happened? How could you not see this? It's like our guy, dad, that we met. of Ravi Zacharias, which he's dead now. But, I mean, he's one of the greatest Christian apologists ever. And impacted me in huge ways spiritually. I used to listen to his sermons when I was driving into preach.

And, I mean, it impacted how I preach. And he dies, you know, and then it comes out after he died that he had this whole thing, his sex problem with massage people all around the world. And it all came out. And it was really a lot of people were just like, well, now everything he said, I can't, you know, like he had no impact because it turns out he had a bad sin problem going on. But I viewed it differently. I thought I never knew that about him, although I know anybody's capable anything.

But the spiritual truths that he was was espousing impacted me. And so you can't really take that away, even if he did have a terrible sin problem. So, but a lot of people are just like, I'm done with even, I can't even talk about him anymore. And I see, I understand why. I'm not saying they're wrong. I mean, I think the disciples in our context were, they were more sinful than we're realizing. I mean, they're human being. We're all sinful.

Now, I think immediately once Jesus called them and they started following a little bit, just like what we do when we come to Jesus, things get way better in a hurry. So I think that probably happened. But you got a thing, you're talking about some baggage. I mean, how does he need to portray it to? give you a, I mean, this guy was running around with people that the culture by and large hated. That's right.

I mean, a bunch of shysters. And forget the social disorders. He probably so arrogant, you know, the power of his position, it's just not a person you want to hang out with. So, look, I'm sure that there were quite the bit of arguments those first few days of following Jesus. Who invited this guy? Well, yeah, that's why the chosen has been such a good show.

Right. Because they, they just took a little bit of that, read just like we did. We came up with the same conclusions. And they put it on TV. Yeah, man. And you're like, oh, yeah, that, yeah, okay. It's interesting. Yeah.

And one of them was a zealot, which we know those guys. I mean, you follow the zealots back through Jewish history, not necessarily in the Bible, but just Jewish history, Josephus. I mean, these guys, they're Taliban-esque. Oh, they cut you just to watch you bleed. Oh, I mean, these, so that old boy, you know, he came out of that world. So you're right, Jason, you look at it as a group. I mean, eclectic is not near a big enough word to describe that group.

And you got a bunch of fishermen, you know, throw that in there. Four of them, yeah. I mean, you're talking about a rag tag bunch. And look, and they all. Where's the text that says it takes many kinds or something to make up the kingdom of God, you know. Right. Something to that effect. Well, you take into effect that John the Baptist announced all this.

Well, he's just crazy man. Wearing animal skins. Animal skins, eating grasshoppers. Anybody who saw him coming, the heat waves coming up off the desert. And here's somebody running down grasshoppers and robbing bee hives to make a living to eat. and he comes up out of nowhere hollering you bunch of snakes well you'd think anybody that saw him but amazingly thousands were being baptized by it one of my favorite one of my favorite memories at white's fair row we used to do dramas a lot and we'd do them on like a whole weekend and we'd do the

last one on on sunday morning we did one where dad was john the baptist yeah i don't know if you remember doing so yeah they had they had him in this you know barely yeah but i mean they had him in his animal skin. He had a staff. And he just comes walking down the center aisle at WFR unannounced because, you know, nobody knows what's going to happen. I saw people get afraid. Oh, and he had, he had memorized that whole thing. He said, oh, you brood of me. He just yelling and screaming. And people are like covering their kids. But it was a moment that of you nailed it. It was like, you know, it was very powerful. I'll never forget it. That was probably 30 years. Well, that's 30 years ago. When I was young in the face, so, you know, looking back on it, I'm like,

Well, you had to look. The reason we should go down through these books and look at what they did and how they were and looking at these parties where Jesus was at. But then you fast forward today and you see some of the things that churches argue about and things are the rules they have. And you're reading this and you're like, I think you miss something. I think you missed a point. We're marrying the homeless in my yard amidst a dog fight.

That's good. Because that goes a lot. That's a lot closer to what I'm seeing here than having a church where two homeless people walk up and they're so we get married and you're like, you know, maybe y'all just don't belong. By the way, the average wedding cost, I looked at it up at you, tell that story on the last podcast, is about $35,000. That's average. So that means there's a lot more. This was, we had a little snacks. You think you pull that off for $35K?

Well, Phil, you got married for $35. This was all free on my part. No, I'm talking about when you married Kay. Actually, we gave the groom and his newfound wife. We paid them to have a place to have their honeymoon because they're homeless. No, I was saying when you married Kay, how much did that cost? How much that cost you? 25 bucks.

Oh, 25. 25. Oh, wow. $10 on the blood test, if you had carried some communicable disease. Micro. So they go from the blood tests. good? I said, where who's, you know, you got to preach around or something. They said, we go down there and justice of the peace. He charged $15. The wedding ceremony lasted about 10 seconds maybe.

Do you want her son? I said, yeah. He said, but she's here or son right here? It's so real bad. I said, Ms. Kay, you got any money on your head? I said, how was it? Oh, and she paid for it? Yeah, I was looking for $15. He said, $15. I said, whoa, I reached my pocket. I didn't have $15. Ms. Kay said, oh, I've got it here. It was in Oklahoma. Yeah. It was a short way. All right. All right, we're done. It's worth ever dime, I'll tell you that. A lot cheaper to get into one of them to get out of, but I'll tell you that. It's cheaper to keeper.

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