Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 337 | Phil's $1 Doctor and Jase Compares 'The Jerry Springer Show' to the Bible

Episode Date: August 30, 2021

Phil isn't buying the current life expectancy data, and he remembers his $1 visits to the doctor. Jase and Al are glad that if one of them dies, the other won't have to marry his widow. Jase finds a lot of similarities between "The Jerry Springer Show" and Bible genealogy. Phil and Jase discuss Jesus' early years when his brothers didn't believe he was the son of God. And the guys decide Joseph was the most understanding man in history. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Dad, we haven't asked you. You normally have some ailments or different things that have happened to you, but we haven't heard it anyway. If you had any recent attacks. Yeah. I'm sitting there yesterday morning after the podcast in my favorite chair and taking a breather from pontificating with YouTube. So right below my kneecap, I noticed a kind of a searing pain from time to time over the last month. So I looked down at, I put my britch of leg up, but I looked down there. I said, what is that keeps like a knife sticking in me? Well, I looked, and I saw, right below my kneecap, I saw a little round, round piece of skin.

I thought, what is that? Round pieces of skin. It was swollen. Kind of puffed up a little bit, but not red, not red, not, no that. Like a cyst. Yeah. So I looked at that and I said, well, it kind of looks like a small volcano. I said, let's just clear the top off of this thing.

And I reached down my finger there and I pulled and out came the top of the little volcano there right below my kneecap. Well, when that piece was removed, I looked in there. and I saw something dark black, dark black down in that hole. It closed it kind of like a- Was it moving? It was just sitting there. So I thought, huh, I reached over, I keep a bottle of alcohol within arms reach. An AR-15 over here and alcohol right here. Rubbing alcohol.

Rubbing alcohol. Germ-killer. So I took that. I thought you were getting a bottle of whiskey or something. Take a shot. He's been watching a lot of guns smoke. No, this was, I separate. call, whatever they call it, alcohol. So I looked, I took both

my fingers, and I put a little dev alcohol, it burned a little, and I took both my fingers, and I squeezed on both sides. I said, let's just see if there's something hung up in there. So when I squeezed, out jumped a quarter of an inch

long, thorn. Oh, well, at least it was not. I thought it was going to say like a bug or something. It was still there was, it was still in there, but it was about, or a quarter of, ain't showing. So I thought, good night. Quarter inch. So I reached down there and I just grabbed the top of that thorn. I pulled it out. I said, I cannot believe I've been carrying this thorn around.

I don't know when I got it. But that thing, it just hit and broke off and it healed. It's over. But, you know, the thorn was still there. So I just pressed on both sides. It popped out. I pulled it. I opened a trash can there. I said, man, no wonder that thing was I dropped the old thorn over and put a little alcohol on it, rock on. So unlike the apostle Paul in 2nd Corinthians 12, the thorn in your flesh, you expect. Was a real thorn that I got it out of there. That's right. Now, I don't know whether he had a literal thorn.

He prayed three times for the Lord to remove his thorn in the flesh, but Jesus said, nope. When you walk through, when you walk through what I walked through on a steady basis, there's a lot. A lot of, as you know, I mean, you know, locusts thorn trees and just big thorn bushes. I mean, little haul trees with, you know, may haws. You got thorns on the limbs. Oh, yeah, that's limb. There's thorns everywhere you walk. Well, I told you about that time I jumped.

That's one of, by the way, that's one of hundreds that I've removed from my body from time to time. I'm used to in the old days, you know, walking 10 miles and, you know, just gone. and 22 years old. I mean, I can remember mom when you were really young, and Jay's probably didn't remember this. At night after you squirrel hunted, she would put a big light down there on your feet. Do you remember that?

And then she would just, she had tweezers and a needle. Yep. And she was pulling thorns out of your feet for like an hour. Yep. Out of the bottom of your feet. I remember that. They'll finally fester up like that one did,

and they'll eventually come down. But that one there just. It is painful. That was a gory, creepy story. I thought it was going to be some kind of alien What was an animal It was an alien It was a foreign object

But I thought it was something alive I told you all that story before I jumped I went to get a frog And I was going to jump But when I went Like mid-flight There was a snake

On the backside of the frog So I just like Veered left Because I didn't know if it was poison In that moment Yeah, in the moment. But when I hit the bank, I rolled, and there was one of those old trees with the blue and red thorn, and a thorn went behind my ear.

But it was actually, it made me nauseated, and I wasn't sure if it was toxic, but it took me a couple months to get over it. I mean, the whole side of my head swole up, but it was like a, wasn't like it was a little. Did it break off in there or just puncture you? It puncture me, the tip broke off. When I got the tip out when the recovery started. Oh, yeah. I mean, it swallowed up the half side of my head because I still had that thorn in there. But I didn't know if those things were toxic or what because it was a weird experience.

It's just a foreign object inside your skin. Well, I remember we were playing domino's down at Grandin-Paws. And dad came in. He'd been someplace. And you said, you said, Ma, I got something in my eye, right in the corner of my eye. I need you to, you know, pull it out of there, a stick or something. And so I just, I remember there was that little bathroom right there off the main room. So you were looking in the mirror and you could see it was a black speck right in the end of it.

The end of it in the corner of your eye. And she got in there with a pair of tweezers and she started coming out. It's making me nauseous. Look, that thing was over an inch long. Oh, really. And when she started coming out, I just remember all of us were looking and our eyes. My mama's words were good, grief. That's right.

But you never want to hear that, by the way. By the way, the next morning I got up, and my eye was bloodshot, like just bloodshot, and it took a couple of weeks to heal up. That's probably why you missed a eye. The limb swatted me. The boat pushed the limb. The limb swatted me in the face.

It could have blinded me, too. It went in there, and it broke off, and I just turned around and went straight to the house. I said, something ain't right here. I've got that number one on the list, is the most frustrating things that can happen to you in life is a limb swam especially in the wintertime it hurts so bad it makes you angry oh i get mad i usually just get down and cover up because we're going through the doctor now what now i wear shades at all times in thickets

well yeah you should have been wearing protective air i stuff your whole life no doubt well and it's funny because granny was always you know she was never a nurse but she wasn't in other words she could do anything she was a license nurse. Right. But our family. One of them, a mail, mail, deal. Mail order. She was a mail order nurse?

Mail order nurse. What does that mean? She did all of her schooling via the mail that sent it to you, no computers in them days. I thought you meant they mail, they send over it. They mail her questions on this topic and, you know, blood, whatever, for a nurse. But she finally got a degree, a nursing degree. Well, I knew she worked for a doctor, but it was kind of back in the day when the

doctor was at his house, like, right? Like it was just kind of a his clinic. Most time, house or just clinic. Right. But you'd go in there. Was his name, Dr. Pardee? One dollar per visit. Dr. Pardee.

You'd walk in a matter of, they'd say, okay, yeah, he needs about eight or ten stitches, Merritt, tell him my mama. She'd say, well, I saw him up. So they'd sew you up, you know, and. And it costs a dollar? And mama would say, how much I owe you, Dr. Pardee? And he said, buy the buck. So she'd get out a dollar and give it to him.

We'd walk out the door. Oh, is this $1,700? No. No, but they live like. It was like it was... Ninety-three or something. Were you born in a house? I was born at a clinic.

In a clinic. I had to party to use clinic. But I was the first generation... For a dollar. That were born in clinics. The ones, you know, like Jimmy Frangman, the older boys, they just, midwives, somebody had to come up there, kin folks, you know, and, oh, yeah, time fair to have that baby. So they'd go back in there, and here comes the baby.

But I was the first generation to say, let's at least take them to a clinic. And Granny was like a midwife. I guess. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So I just got an email to Africa. I tell you, I don't know why I just, I thought about it just now, but the guy that used to be the preacher when y'all were growing up, Ken Cochran, he just passed away

a few months ago, but he was over 100 years old. 1001. Yeah, 101. He killed a deer this past fall, and he was over 100 years old. Wow. Still deer hunting. That's amazing. He was a big hunter.

And if they would come over and eat, right, I always heard the story. And he got the preacher meat, right? He got the first pick of the chicken. You saw him coming and said, Ma'll get another chicken to fight. I met his son over in Treesport. His son is over in Bozier area. But I don't know what made me think about that in the time.

He had a son about my age. Yeah. Kenny, Kenny. Kenny, he's an elder old. But he was a good strong brother, Ken Cochran Bush. Yeah. But he made it a long time, 101. That's pretty amazing.

We're all getting old, Jay. I have no comment on this. I'm still thinking about how this doctor fits it costs a dollar. Trust me, inflation has happened. He wasn't doing it for the money. Oh, well, you left that part out. I thought it cost a dollar. If you looked at health care in the 1950s, 90% of the things that people are being treated for now via they've gone nuts on antibiotics.

Back in those days, you didn't go up there and say, I got one here that's coughing, giving some antibiotics. Never. You took them up there if you said, well, they fixed to die unless I take them, and the doctor would look at them. But I never heard of anything over a dollar. They charged a dollar. I bet there was no health insurance, but then.

No health insurance of any kind. Insurance is what's ruined it. The only thing that doesn't support your thesis is the average life expectancy. now is longer than it was back then. It seemed to me that the older people were getting 85, 90, 90s, a lot of them. No, but I'm saying people live longer now. Well, that's what they say, but.

That ain't bad. No matter what happens, you could have something you had, give them some antibiotics. I ask these doctors in the last 20 years, I said, be honest. I mean, are they, do y'all dispense too many antibiotics? my dreaming. They said, we dispensed too many. Doctors themselves will tell you, they're over a dispensed. They're not. Because dad ain't taken them. No. So, but here's the real problem. There is such a thing as having a better immune system if you don't rely on antibiotics. I am, I've just seen it. You can, you cough, you got to sew it though. Okay, you go to the doctor. And he'll say,

you'll feel better in a few days. So it takes. about a week to get over it. If you do nothing, stay at home, whatever, get your rest, it'll be about seven days. It's the same length of time for whatever you got, whether you go to a doctor or not. That's the way it used to be in the old days.

Right. But for clarification, Phil, you don't use antibiotics, you don't use deadening. Well, help me out here. You don't do... You didn't use anything, except Omega. When they put people under...

I said, how long is it going to take? to feel this truth, you know, back years ago when it was working on the teeth. And I said, how long does it take, you know, for you to get done with it? He said, a couple of minutes. I said, I can stand anything for a couple of minutes. Do what you got to do. I think you're on record. Keep the needle out of my mouth.

You're the only human, I believe, on record that had a urinalysis done. With no, with not being put under. Yeah. What was the word for that? The guy said, Bill, I'd be a lot quicker if I just go right up the pipe is the way he put it. And I said, right up the pipe. Stop right there and explain to me that a little more in detail.

Well, he explained it in detail. I said, how big is that device with the camera on you? How big is that camera? Too big. No, he said, it's a small camera. I know, but. He said, if you want to watch it, you don't have to be put to sleep. I said, I want to watch.

I want to see what's up in there. But you tell the truth. There's your, there's your, what's it started though? Did you think he made him? What's your gland to go south? It's the prostate. Yeah. Tell the truth.

He said, you're never going to get prostate cancer. Mr. Hobbson. And I said, how could you say that? He said, because there's no lesions on your prostate. Look at that. And I'm looking at it. It just looked like a piece of meat to me. But he went up in my bladder.

He looked around, you know. But tell the truth, on a scale of 1 to 10, how bad did that hurt? Virtually no pain. Uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. You got something sticking right up the pack. Okay. I mean, it wasn't, whoa, this is good, but it wasn't painful.

So it's interesting, Dad. Let's take a breath. Uncomfortable, yeah. Hurting pain, searing pain. So you did find out the exception, though, the rest of the story, the Paul Harvey, rest of the story. If you get an E. coli in your bladder, you might want to take some antibiotics for that.

I didn't argue with them on that. You also didn't take it for one. I'm on my whole force to take a leak. I'm crawling like a dog to the commode. I'm like, okay. I'm all. I said no antibiotics for me, but he said, oh, you'll be back. He told Ms. Kay said he'll be back.

And you are. Well, he told me. A day later, I said. Was that your first antibiotics? In a long time. Pretty well. Yeah, maybe back through the years. I don't know.

Because I didn't want people to follow your advice. I had to say. All I can say is I'm 75. I have no wakes and pains. And I'm just saying. So I told, I get the pristine omega XL. Omega XL.

I take a little of that. So dad, so I told Dr. Murphy, who's our, now our urologist, I told him that I was not going to be a third generation, not listened to what he said,

because Paul was that way, you were that way. and I have a high pain threshold like y'all do but I said I don't want to get like dad was on all fours and so I went in and got my check because I had some issues and they so I'll go to see him and he says well they say well dr. Murphy's doing surgery day do you mind seeing his physician's assistant I said well no that's fine by my I don't care when I go in and they said okay Ashley will be in to see and I went Ashley so the PA is a woman which You know, you go into see this type of doctor.

It's kind of embarrassing, you know, because you're having to just, you know, no dignity. And so, you know, she has to do the thing, you know, the test, the check. And she said, well, do you ready to do this? I said, nope. She said, well, I mean, would you rather wait and come back? I said, no. I said, we're going to do it because that's why I'm here. I said, but you asked me, do I want to do this?

No, this is a 27-year-old woman. and you're just having to bear all. It's not exactly put you in the best position. But, Jace, you'll be there in a little bit. It's coming. Okay. Prostate. That's a bugaroo there.

It's just genetics. Maybe you won't get it. Maybe it's just me. Yeah. One can dream. Not worried about it. Well, let's move from prostates to Matthew. We started last podcast talking about Matthew.

and kind of describing him as the author. And by the way, and as the doctor, by the way, I mean, that the calling of Matthew, he made that statement. It's not the healthy. I didn't think about that. What a great segue.

As you're the Kings of the Segways. Well, I thought about it because I'm like, Jesus did a lot of healing. I mean, he did that. So ultimately, okay, get your checkups, do healthy things. But ultimately, we have, an intimate relationship with a being who is able to control all that.

So I'm not really, that's why I was saying, you know, it's not something I'm going to stress out about. We didn't get into that when you read that verse last time, but you're right. We would never go to the doctor if we weren't sick. Who would want to do that, sit in a waiting room and... Look, I think that underlying principle of where they got started is one of the key principles in following Jesus. If you ever think you're good enough to do this, or if you're puffed up with your righteous acts or whatever your position is or your theology,

you don't want to ever be in that situation where you really don't see the need for Jesus. Yeah, which is to dad's point last time, that's why a lot of times people with wealth and, you know, a lot of things in this life or power, they don't feel like they need God. They feel like they are God. Very rarely will you find in the Bible a reading 2 Corinthians chapter 1 verse 3.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Father of Compassion and the God of all comfort who comforts us twice in all our troubles so that we can comfort those. That's three. In any trouble with the comfort we ourselves, if that's four. from God, just as the sufferings of Christ flow over into our lives. So also through Christ our comfort six. If we are distressed, it's for your comfort, seven.

We are comforted. It is for your comfort, which produces in your patient endurance for the same sufferings we're going through. And our hope for you is firm because we know that just for you is firm, because we know that just as you share in our sufferings, so also you will share in our comfort. In the stretch of seven verses, comfort is mentioned nine times, which I know of no other place in the Bible, something is that redundantly said. It's amazing. So I take that to heart and say, you know what? I'll put my trust in the God of comfort. Yeah. Which is interesting. A lot of people, We talk about everything that we get from Jesus, but very rarely do we mention the fact.

Like Jay said, I came not for the sick, but for the... I mean, not for the healthy, but the sick. Not healthy, but for the sick. And if you look at that text right there, you say, man, that's quite the opening statement to the Corinthians. Well, and I always use that text when I'm doing funerals a lot because, you know, that's a time. Smith told me that. He said, you know, your role...

when you're asked to speak at someone's funeral, your first and foremost role is to bring comfort because these people have lost someone they love. And even if you're a Christian, it still hurts to lose somebody because you have a little separation. And that always stuck with me. So this text really spoke to me in that

because that's a moment where you bring comfort. It's godly comfort. I would say America and our people, countrywide, one of the things that's one of the most, this most oft missed things is those few verses right there. Yeah. Because they're antsy about this and they're upset about that.

And then they're nervous and they're depressed and they're taking medicine. And they're trying everything to get some comfort out of life. Yeah. And the key to it, you come to Jesus. He's the God of comfort. Well, you know, we get a lot of notes from folks. and they're just like, you know, I need to talk to y'all because my life is so bad. And I understand what they're saying because they listen to us on here and we're talking about Jesus.

But you don't need us. You need Jesus. Yeah. A conversation with us, all we're going to do is point you to Jesus, which is what we do on the pocket. Well, and the listeners said, what's the difference between joy and happiness? And we just basically said, not much of any, not much difference. But what they forget is to have joy and to be happy, you would have to be happy. you would have to be a person who was comfortable with being here.

No matter how brutal the world is around you, swirling around it, just keep your eye on the price and just move forward. It'll pass. Philippians forward. It'll pass. Yeah. I mean, that's how you get a lot of comfort. Paul said, I learned what it meant to be content in any and every circumstance.

And without real eye, if you don't have the compassion that God has given you, the contentment and the comfort eludes you. Yeah. And you're living a life where everything is, you're all upset most of the time. And it's interesting that the guy- Talk about the people who commit suicide because they just couldn't find any comfort out of life.

The guy that wrote that passage, that was under constant duress. Read his list of duress. Oh. I mean, you're talking about a-beaten stone. I mean, are you talking about a rough life? In fact, Jesus said, remember when he was converted? He said, this man will know how much he will suffer for my name.

Yep. And he did. He sure did. His whole life. And yet he talked about comfort and contentment. Isn't that amazing? Yep. I mean, that shows you, that's where you find it.

So it was good. Only Jesus gives you that. Right. You will not find it anywhere else. The God of all comfort. What a thought. That's a great though. So back to Matthew.

last time we introduced the genealogy, which most people would find this fairly boring, just a group of names, and, you know, this one, begat that one. The old King James says, begat,

I remember seeing that, you know, we were kids growing up, but it gives you the line. We talked a little bit at last time, the significance of it, but one of the things we didn't mention that I wanted to mention

before we moved on from this, is that I think because Matthew was sort of, was an outcome, and yet was included, I think that's why he lists in this lineage the names of these women, which would have been very unusual to do that in the lineage of Jewish history, because they only looked at it from the male.

How many women are in here? So there's five. Are you starting with Mary? We can start with Mary. She's at the end of it. But this is Joseph. But this is Joseph's. Yeah, but he mentions her.

He says, the husband of Mary. I mean, why would he even mention her? See what I'm saying? Here's what is your reason I believe the Bible. Verse 16, this is how he talked about all this on how Jesus got here. He's talking about how Jesus got here. So matter of factly. In other words, this is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about.

Well, he doesn't say, now look, this is a wow story. because what I'm fixing to say is going to blow the roof off the joint. He said, have you ever heard of it? No, none of that. He said, this side came about. He said, Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, no sex, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

You're like, yeah, that makes sense. Just to get him here, Matthew is speaking as if there's no doubt here how he got here. this little virgin girl mary was down there you know and she found herself to be pregnant and joseph said whoa what's the deal and he goes through the deal well you see why though he chose joseph i mean real quick because i mean who what man would have responded this way right yeah to me is incredible like honey you're what she's yeah but he but he was a gentleman about it and that he was like, because you're assuming, this is before the dream, you're like, okay, your girlfriend is pregnant and you haven't slept with her. I would say that's, this is over at this point.

And again, just to your point last time, we were talking about, we, we know how this happened because we read about it, the supernatural stuff, but in the moment, this was scandalous. I'm not I mean, nobody believe it. I'm out of here. Here's my point. Because Jace is looking at it, as most humans would read something, that's say, wait a minute. But he's presenting it like this is how it came about.

Because it did. Well, I believe this is how it came about. But I'm just saying I see why God chose this couple. Because when it said he's righteous, didn't it say that somewhere about Joseph? It says, I think it does. He was, where is that? Where are we at here? Joseph, her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public.

Yeah, that's what it says that, that he was a righteous man and didn't want to expose her to public disgrace. He had in mind to divorce her quietly. So he had concluded, what I would have concluded, that his girlfriend was messing around on him. But even that, I mean, you just think how many guys out there in the world, then or now, when this happens, would have not responded this way. I mean, he was still the better person for saying, you know what? Evidently, you haven't been faithful to me. But instead of going and railing on and going through the street saying this woman's a tramp and all, I'm just going to divorce her quietly and I'm not going to expose her to public disgrace. And let me mention that because somebody will ask about it.

Well, I thought they weren't married to have their divorce. But the way the Jewish law worked at this time, when you were betrothed, which is sort of like we would say engaged, but it's way more. It's like a year, I think. Right. It's a legal binding. Like, in other words, they're not sleeping together. They're not consummated the marriage, but they're married by legal means. And so they're setting up.

He's building the house. And, you know, they had this betrothal process. So this happens during that process. But you're right, Jay's. I mean, he still was showed he was a good man in the sense that he didn't believe her and who could. Well, nobody would. That wasn't on him. Right.

But he made a, it's like when people say, you know, life is 10% of what happens, the 90% of how you respond to it. He took the godly, righteous approach throughout the whole situation. I mean, this is horrible. I would not have been that kind of man. because of jealousy or rage or just whatever. If this happens, your betrayal, you've been betrayed. And he's like, because you got to marry,

he hadn't had the dream. Now, once the dream happened, then an angel explains this to him. Oh. Oh. Oh. What he finally came to realize was that he was in the, what, the Hall of Famers, whatever.

But Mathon, the father. of Jacob, Jacob, the father of Joseph, verse 36, verse 16, and Jacob, the father of Joseph. So without him knowing, this was just preordained. Yeah. And it's your time, Joseph. That's right, because he was in the lineage of David. That's my point. And so he had to have that.

This is all worked out in advance. Exactly. But he still had a choice to react the right way of the memory. I think you got a member of the last time we talked about Matthew being, what did you call him a bean counter. Analytical mind because he was his tax collection. So I think he purposely put in these details because he's detail oriented. But he also threw in rehab up there in verse 5, which wasn't she a prostitate?

Yep. So I'm saying just her presence in this genealogy. Well, look, every one of them. So it starts with Tamar, which she's a, little-known woman from back in Genesis 38, and her deal was she was married to Jacob's son. No, was it Jacob or Judah? I'll have to look that up. But she was married to his son, and then the...

Well, it was Jacob, what it says in verse 3 of Matthew, Judah, the father of... Right, it's Judah's son. So, Tamara is married to the son, and he dies. And so the way the rules were back in those, she didn't have a child yet. didn't have a son. Well, then you marry the brother. So you married the brother. Yeah.

So she marries the brother. That's a horrible rule. I don't know who in the world. I'm glad this not around today. God put her down there. You got to live with it, Judge. Well, that's why he also sent Jesus to nail that thing up on the cross. That's why I don't have a legalistic bone in my body.

I'm like, you want to follow law? I got to marry who? What? Why? That's right. That's what Seinfeld has a bit. He said, that's why all the guys line up. And it starts with the best man.

anything happens to him, you just start down the lines. I don't want to do that. So, well, the second brother dies and still no son. So there's only one left. Well, Judah gets the idea that this old gal here must be a black widow because all my sons are dying every time they get with her. So he does, though, the third, he withholds the third son. He's like, no. And so she goes and dresses up like a prostitute and gets pregnant.

by him, by dad. And then comes back later and he says, oh, we got to kill this woman. She's pregnant. She isn't married. And she comes back and says, oh, by the way, here's what you gave me. You're the dad.

So, I mean, again, scandalous. I mean, this is one of the 12. He has a show about this stuff happening. I don't know. You know what I mean? It's like, well, this couldn't happen. I can't think of the guy's name. He takes like the worst situations, you know,

my mom's sister is my, you know, lover or whatever. What's the guy's name? Every show. Oh, you're talking about like Dr. Phil or Jerry Springer? Yeah, that's Jerry Springer. Hang on. Hang on. Let's take a break.

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My daughter's the first meal I've eaten. I've been very careful not to eat anybody's made. So I gave her about a year before I said, I'll try some of you. Did she do pretty good? She actually did. Little low on seasoning, but the baking process and all, sticky chicken, it was good. That's good. So in a sense, dad set up for one of our new sponsors, which is a group called marley spoon.

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Save $100 on your first four orders and learn how to cook. I mean, when you start researching this, it's like something you would see on Jerry Springer, not the Bible. That's my point. We're in a genealogy, which reminds us all that we're all flawed people. You remember when Jerry Springer's show was,

Dad, you remember what was popular? Somebody that gave it. There was a big old ball-headed guy that stood up on the corner of the stage. He had to come out and separate because it always ended with a big growth. Well, they wanted them to do that. Right.

They take a bunch of people that, look, that Phil, unfortunately, you live, you know, down in an area where a lot of this stuff is happening. Oh. This is the pool for the Springer show. You are right. So people are like, oh, that could never happen. Oh, yeah.

I counsel with them and tried to get them to follow the other than it's something. So I'm, but look, a lot of these people you brought to the Lord and they break this genealogy cycle a lot of times that actually does something good. I mean, that's why these types of songs and ideas, I love that song, The Blessing, by Carries. It's not a situation where the perfect one, Jesus, committed no sin ever. is worthy of note that his lineage, it wasn't that way. Right. Only when he arrived did you see the difference between him and all the rest of them to get him here. Right.

Well, no, there were a few differences, though, in how he got here, which it said, when he had the dream, it says the Holy Spirit in verse 20. I mean, this is quite a statement. Joseph's son of David, do not be afraid. This is the angel speaking to him in a dream. Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit, which I would have just thought, what does that mean? I mean, I'm reading it. I know it happened, but I'm still.

There were some kind of, I don't know whether a transfer of sperm or whatever. Yeah. But if you made the human, made human being, if you made them, you could figure it out. You pretty much know. I think, though, I think when the Holy Spirit was hovering over the waters, we mentioned, I mean, there's something about the Spirit of God that is life. By the way, Jay. It's like when he breathed.

If you could make the first person out of dust, you can definitely make a baby. But, I mean, there's a similarity. If you do a study in the Bible about breathing and the Holy Spirit, there's something life-giving. The Spirit is just contagious of life. Here's my question. in the midst of looking at how the birth of Jesus came about, which is what we're talking about.

When you look at this, I'm having to rack my brain to say a bunch of human beings sitting around under a tree this far back, all these genealogy, and these people are sitting around here, and here's a tax collector, and he's going to expound a little bit on how Jesus Christ came here. And he's speaking so matter-of-factly, the question I have is,

how in the world, Chase, could you have a group of individuals this far back, low-tech world, to come up with this story and the details at which are given? You're like, how could they have gotten together and told this lie? I mean, just think about it. Yeah. Well, and what it would take to dream up this story. Not only that is Matthew, when you're reading the history books after this, gave his life rather than deny Jesus says to Christ.

Correct. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, if it was just a big, let's just come up with some story, which is what the world says about this. They're like, oh, you people created this because you're weak people that need some kind of hope in a crutch or whatever. We couldn't, even though you're a sinful person, how you could dream up this story. So I got another little known fact.

This is a fun fact, Dad. So two of the other women, Rahab, which we mentioned, she was a prostitute that saved the spies of Jericho. And Ruth, who then was in that same lineage after her, you know, who was a great woman, you know, Ruth's stories. She's got a book in the Bible. Those two women were descendants of Ammon and Moab. he said what does that have to do anything that's the two you remember a lot after the destruction when he slept with his

daughters and that produced two children and God said they were in a curse people don't have anything to do with them because it was two great nations but he said she told Israel don't have anything to do with them guess where these two women guess where their heritage was Ammon and Moab

Ruth was a Moabite and Rehab was an Ammonite so I mean once again it's just like it's so scandal ridden like from people that but I think the reason Matthew did it is because to say anybody can make anybody can do this I mean we're looking at the lineage of Jesus and we're saying but he also said in fact he's basically saying there's nothing you could do if you come to Jesus by faith you you can be ushered on on in that's right the other one we haven't mentioned is Bashiba and

obviously she you know David had an affair with her her and murdered her husband. Yeah. And she wound up being the mother of Solomon. But again, another terrible, you know, situation that gets her in the lineage. And yet there she is. It does. It does so cold water on the people who come out and say, you know, it's just a crutch.

You know, following Jesus is a crutch and all that. If you see these people's lives and what eventually happen, looking at them and studying them and putting it all together, you're like, Lord, this has to be true. How could you dream? But he also, you got to think he's, the reason I think he's going back 14 generations, going back 14 generations, this was God's plan. Yeah. And in all throughout the generations, you've got more sinful than others, but all have sinned.

That's right. So, but three times, he does make a reference here about this is bigger than just a birth because you have the name of Jesus, which means, you know, the Jewish Joshua, which means the Lord saves. And Emmanuel. Emmanuel, which is, his nickname is God is with us. So all of a sudden, and you have a human being who is pregnant by the Holy Spirit, who's never been with a man, which, by the way. A physical man.

So I'm saying there's a, there's a, that he's accentuating. that the supernatural has happened. So let's take her last break. And also, Jays, that little virgin will be with child and give birth to a son. They would call him Emmanuel, was foretold 700 years earlier by Isaiah. So the old deal about...

So you have a history and a prophetic... But he also said this, Al. Think about the fulfillment that far back. 700 years. But think of 21 when he said, she will give birth to a son, and you ought to give him the name Jesus, which means the Lord saves,

but he also says because he will save his people from their sins. So, yeah, we got this genealogy here. There was a lot of sinful activity, but we're here now, and we're in a moment in the history of the humanity, of where for the first time, there's a human being born that his parents didn't have sexual,

relations or however you want to happen and you know what I find fascinating about Joseph in this is because even in 24 when it says because why would the Bible put this in here this is one of those hmm moment why does it even put it in here because I think it goes to his character because it gives you the impression when you when Joseph woke up from this dream he did what the angel the Lord said had commanded him which is another character trait because look I've had a lot of dreams and woke up and thought, hmm, I don't know about that. Which is why we have a, jace's, this, hmm, moments.

So he took Mary home as wife, but he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. Why didn't put that in there? Because I think, I think he could have. Now, a lot of religious, I think people on the fringes of religion, they're, get into this debate whether you're supposed to be able to have sex with your wife when she's pregnant based on that which oh no i don't think it has anything to do with that i don't either but i'm saying kooky people come up with kooky uh you know now i think it's that

hey they they got the right to believe whatever they want i think it's just a respect thing like that's what i thought i thought even he had now i mean this whole thing was thrown up on him now obviously he's had had an inside conversation and so he's like oh he gets it which i'm i mean he's like i'm I'm part of not only is there a God and he's real, but we're fixed to change the world. But he put that supernatural fact above his natural impulses, which I've used this as an example where people just think, well, I just, you know, I can't do it.

Whether it's a couple that are living together that are not married and they ask my opinion and I'll go here. I'm like, you've got to put the supernatural, above the natural. Now, he was directly involved, but even us in your life, if you want to change your life, it's going to happen with the same thing. You know, when we pray and we believe this is real, we're having conversations with God, and we believe Jesus is inside of us, and you're looking at a woman and she's a daughter of God, and you're supposed to help her get to heaven. These are the same conclusions you've got to make for your life to make better decisions on putting the supernatural

above the natural. You know, I mean, you could preach a sermon on this right here. But there's a way to stop, you know, making bad decisions. And this is it. This is the recipe. That's why I think why God chose Joseph. But you know, what's interesting, Jay, is Joseph, we assume, since we don't read about him in Jesus' ministry in the Gospels, we assume that he died, you know, because you

rewrap Mary and the brothers, you know, but we don't read about Joseph. So we assume at some point he probably died in there before Jesus. just got to 30. But what's interesting is, so Joseph knew, and there's no doubt, he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt, because he shows you. Mary knows because she knows she didn't have sex and she had the baby. But then his siblings didn't believe in him. No.

Because we read that. They thought he was, they thought he was a famous person, you know? Remember that one time in John where they said, you know, if you're going to be a public figure, you've got to blah, blah, blah. They just saw him as like managing his career. But they didn't really believe. I'm talking about John 7-5 where he said even his own brothers didn't believe. Well, that and the one where he said it was right along in there when he was supposed to go to a feast.

And they said, you've got to go make yourself known if you're going to be a public fee. You've got to get out there and press the point. I think of the same chapter. Yeah, it is seven. But they were trying to manage him. It was like they didn't really believe he was the son of God. Yeah, exactly. So what do you think they were?

I'm saying they had to grow up in this home where Mary and Joseph told him who he was, but they didn't believe him. I mean, that's interesting, too. Well, it's not easy to believe. It's not. Well, because I think he became a human. I think they looked at him and thought, well, he puts his pants on just like that day. And he was running around and building stuff. He's a kid.

There's no way. It can't happen. You're telling me that, oh, you're God. Now, I tell you this. In fact, if I were jealous of it. Something changed, though, post-resurrection. Because you notice who was in the room in Acts 114, his brothers, the same ones I didn't believe.

When in James, James. They all gathered up then. Well, then all of a sudden said, well, maybe he is. And the guy. You start coming back from the dead? Okay, I was wrong. It's a good sign. The guy who wrote the book of James was Jesus' brother.

And he was also one of the, probably like the main leader of the Jerusalem church. You read about him in Acts 12. And so this guy, his brother, why not being one of the main pillars of the Jerusalem church? So you're right. They got it. But they had to get it post. resurrection. But I thought it was interesting because we were talking about this idea of physical and spiritual. Remember we started out the book of Romans. Paul said, a servant of Christ Jesus called to

be an apostle set apart for the gospel of God. The gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures, which we talked about that fulfillment, regarding his son, who as to his human nature was the descendant of David, which was the point of Matthew 1, and who through the spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the son of God. So that's that idea of the physical coming together with the spirit of God to be Jesus Christ. The only God human hybrid there ever was or ever will be. But think about it. What did we need between humans and God because of sin?

We needed a bridge. We needed a representative of both, and that's what happened. That's why I love that. We needed the ultimate sacrifice. I love that Romans 9-5, but I'll use the word bridge on purpose because I think when we think of all the things you could talk about with people or classes you could teach or the things you get into, Jesus has got to be at the top of the list because that is the bridge.

Yeah. We just read it. Right. I mean, he is the Holy Spirit. humanity in one. And that Romans 9-5, which I've read many times, because I just love the wording, because we just read the genealogy of Matthew 1. And Paul referred to this.

He said, there's are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ. We just read one side of it, and you read the other one in Luke about Mary. Yep. of Christ who is God overall forever praise I mean

what kind of statement of that you can trace the human ancestry of this Jesus fellow who is God overall forever praise

yeah and a lot of people struggle a lot of our listeners struggle with the idea of how he could be both but you just have to understand that is the deal that he is both

that makes it all possible. You can't have Jesus God without Jesus of the man. He had to be both. That's why he said, I'm the son of God and the son of man. I'm both. That's why I'm saying, nobody in any generation could have dreamed this up. No, I agree. You keep reading the first Peter. Where's that? He says, we didn't follow cleverly invented stories. We were eyewitnesses like the light shine, like a light bulb or 1 John 1. We've seen him. We've heard him.

We've touched him. We've rode with it. He said, look, we have, this is the one. That's right. Well, he was calling it, though, in John 1st John 1. He went from him to it. That, which was that. That.

I call him a that. So it's interesting, and I'll tease this for next time because we're almost out of time. When y'all pick up in Matthew 2, I don't be here next week with Zach. But when you pick up in chapter 2, it's interesting that as soon as we get Jesus here, the politics begin because King Herod hears about this and so y'all will get into that

and the persecution and the persecution so think about it the son of God is born he's a little baby and he's God but the first thing he has to do is get on the run because they're trying to kill him yeah and a politician has an idea oh I hear a rumor that God is being born

them so let's just kill them all let's kill all the babies that was the idea you talk about brutal give me a narrative by which we can do this. And I could theoretically imagine somebody said, well, it's not really a baby till it's born, you know, anyway.

And then it's not really a child until they're... Right up to the point of their board. You see, that's how we come up with ways to dehumanize when we have some kind of agenda. And by the way, that's been going on for thousands of years. There's a word for that. It's called evil. There you go.

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