Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 341 | Why Si Thinks Jase Is a Cheater & Why the Devil Gets WAY Too Much Credit

Episode Date: September 6, 2021

Si thinks Jase must be the luckiest card player in the world. Zach makes the mistake of wrestling with Jay Stone. Jase recalls how he responded when he was surrounded by sin in Las Vegas. Phil talks about the way the devil influences decisions. Jase and Zach talk about cellphones and temptation. And Phil and Zach discuss why it doesn’t matter what we think about what other people do. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Yeah, last night, I had dinner with your brother, Cy Robertson, my uncle, your uncle. Last night. Last night. When he was supposed to come, Willie had a card game last night. He said it was a friendly game. It was supposed to be. I got invited and I will tell you, Cy was talking trash about you though.

about playing cards he said jace well let me see if this is the truth because i have paid a lot of bills via sai he acknowledged that part but he said you are the luckiest is your cash flow he's one of the cash streams that i have what is good that he's kin

and his family i mean keep the money in but then the family i like so i'd love to know what he said he said you're the luckiest person to ever play cards and he said i know all the big poker players in Vegas. I know them all. And he said, nobody's that lucky. He said, if I didn't know him, he said, I would be very questionable how he wins every single time. So that's how size mine works. How many years would it take for you to say, how can you be that lucky? Because he's paid too much attention to Matt Dillon. And Matt Dillon, he does not like card players at all. Yeah. So because most of them, the ones that,

that are winning at the rate Jace is, they're up to no good. Yeah. That's what Sye's getting at. He said you can't be that yet. Because people have religious people. Si does not view it as a skill, a game of skill.

He views it as a game of luck. He's saying you're too lucky. I've had many discussions with phariseical type people. He'd say, well, I thought you was a Christian. Gambling, card playing is not in the... You said that you. G word, what I'm doing, look, is it gambling if you, like, take me inside.

It's not in the list of sins, is my point. Yeah, but what I'm saying is not gambling. In a 10-year period, I played frequently with Si and pretty much the same people. Now, last night, the reason Si didn't come, I tell you why it didn't come, because it was a $20 buying. You spent $20. Now, you can't go see a movie with two other people for $20. 20 bucks.

And so, and the skill level of the players that were playing last night was weak. Did you win? Did I win? Yes. I won a lot. I won most of the buy-ins, $20 a pop. Because this was a social game. Look, Willie had cooked.

What's a buy-in? You, you're buying into what? You put $20 and they give you some chips, not chips that you. can eat actual poker chips. I never tried that. Because, yeah, and so then you play a game. We were playing Texas Hold'em with a twist last night. Texas Hold'em?

That's what it's called. But this was with it. Did it originate in Texas? And what's the whole way you're holding? You're holding two cards. But the twist was you got dealt three cards and you look at the three cards and you choose which two that you want to play in the hand. You do it before anything happened.

They deal you three cards and you get rid of one. So now you have two cards, which makes for bigger hands. And so, like, if you got two aces and a deuce, you're going to keep the two aces and then probably raise. So what you do, like, so the first hand, here's what I did. I had two tens. First hand, it's just we've eaten, Willie cooked. He had more food. He had one of his chili gullions.

He had various deer steaks. He had some... A slum gullion. Yeah, it was all good, though, I will admit. Because that way, if you lose your $20, you were well-fed. You get a good meal. So you paid $20. You got a good meal.

Yeah. So I actually paid $40 because the first $20 on the first town, I look, I had two tens and a deuce. I threw away the deuce. And it comes to me, and I raise. Because I was just giving them a crazy image of myself. And so when the... You have now community cards that come out. I have two tens.

Well, two sixes and a seven came out. I don't have a six. But if somebody has a six, they have me beat because they have three sixes and I have two tens. So I made a spiritual analogy because when I bet, I bet that because now I have two tens and two sixes. You're playing the best five cards. Well, this guy to my left who had never played with, he raised me. I bet. So I said, well, I know you have a six,

but if you're going to try to make all your money playing the mark of the beast, that's a bad way to start this game. So I'm calling you for spiritual reasons. Well, he turned over. He had a six. I lost my $20. I was like, give me $20 more tips.

So at this point, they think I'm a wild, loose can. I only did that once, the first hand. He's crazy. He thinks he's going to run over. but then through the night all the chips wound up in front of me because i didn't play like that anymore that was just a teaser that was a teaser you gave him an image that you're crazy it was a hustle it's kind of like a hustle but when it's all said and done they're the kind that maddillon put in jail he's the one so you basically are playing a game

of skill where there is some luck involved yeah but it's a money management game and once they don't realize, once you amass most of the chips, then you get power. You can pretty much. You're the bully. Yeah, we're playing now with their money. Yeah. I had planned to come over, but last night after dinner, after side told me about you,

I didn't know you were over there. Jay, I was with Jay Stone on the Duck Car Room podcast, and then David Martinez, and they're into Jiu-jitsu. So they've got, Jay's got a mat in his living room where they're. They, like literally in his living room where they wrestle. Now, is that a skill or is that luck? Oh, it's a skill. But what if you slip down right before you did one of your moves?

Now, you ain't. These guys are trained killers. They're trained never to slip. So they, well, they coax me into, and a, I'm just trying to get you to say that if the same people win, if fighters, if the same guy win. You never want to run. If he has a record of 42 and 0, at what point are you saying this is no longer gambling? If you run up on an individual with the jiu-jitsu skill set, well-trained at it, and you try to get his money, his woman, or whatever, you've run up on the wrong dude.

So what I'm saying is if a guy comes up and sees a guy trained in jih Tzu, and he says, I'm going to take him on. And then he thinks to himself, what if I get lucky and hit hit him just right? He does. That's well. I feel the same way playing cards. Well, it's a lot the same, but, you know, you run up on, you don't want to mess with it. I wrestled Stone last night, Jay Stone.

I'm 40. He actually did that? I did it. And because I thought, I knew he would take me because he had all the moves, but I'm like, but I'm a pretty good wrestler. Now I am 43, so I hadn't. Yeah. I wrestle max. So is he?

No, he's like 46. Oh. And he beat you? So how well did you do? That's embarrassing. I held on for about two minutes. They said we wet wrestled a minute. I think it was more like two minutes.

But when I tell you that I thought I was going to vomit, it was the most exhausting thing that I've done. I mean, it is. But that's what they say. They said, you gassed out because you're, you know, he's not moving. He's kind of let me get him in headlocks. But he does that.

He does it every day. It's the same poker analogy. I play cards. Stay in your lane. But look, I didn't want to go to the game. Willie said, come over. because, you know, I'm tired of winning. My kids are playing.

They all like to play just for fun. But they said that we need some better competition. Yeah. I was going to come, but I got, after the wrestling match, I was like, I'm out. I mean, literally a minute or two minutes of exercise, but it is intense. Sucked the life out of you. I felt like a hit by train. Yeah.

So I'm sitting there trying to, like, have a conversation. I don't want them to know that I'm gassed because then they, you know, then it just gets to be like a. So I'm walking out. I told Missy I was going to go play, and I was like, and she was like, win me some money, babe, because she was going on a trip today with Mia. So I need some cash for the trip. I was like, babe, we're talking about kids and people who don't even. But she's like, I need some cash.

So I was like, are you putting out a hit on this game and a friendly game where she said. You're slowly winning her over, Jay. She said. Sometimes it takes years. Then she said, shut. Show me the money. No mercy. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Now, if we were going into a, which it could be a would-be heckler-type, dangerous deal, those are the dudes I run with. The Jiu-Jitza guys. Stone and Martinez. Yeah. Martinez.

Well, that's not a bad idea. Well, look, he's got a purple belt. He's telling me last night. Just for safety. They're right there. Oh, they're legit. Oh, look, these dudes. They're not going to back off, back down, no.

I know you want them on your team. Well, that Jay tried to get me into it. And I said, you know what? If I, if I need that skill set, I'm just going to call you. Yeah. I mean, I'm just at this stage of my life. That's, that's, that's, that's, well, Martinez is a, he's a beast. I mean, he's only been doing it for four years and he's already, I mean, he's like a, kind of like a, what's the word?

Black belt type. He's not a black belt yet, but he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, at such a rapid pace that he's kind of a freak about it like he's not normal how quickly he's learning i tend to focus more on the spiritual side of things but you know scrap breaks out i usually get a weapon yeah i think that's what jay was like well hand-to-hand kind i was like well first i'm going with the bible and then i have an assortment of weapons that if this goes south but if we get to that stage you know i hope you're around but these are guys that that that you're You know, you know, there are no, you don't need the food with them at all.

No, I agree. Yeah. Now, they're built different, that's for sure. Well, where are we at? Where are we at? Well, I did, I heard a sermon one time, which I thought was great, called from the water to the wilderness. I think we did a whole podcast on it. Because I'd never thought about at the highest moment here, Jesus begins his ministry,

John Abbott prepares away, and God makes this declaration, this is my son. I mean, this is it. Yeah. When you look at it from the clash of nations and the cosmos, and when you throw in the time factor of civilization as we know it, this was the epic moment. Jesus, a man, son of a carpenter, is declared to be. God in human form. Yeah. So this happens, and there's no doubt here,

because we have a dove, which is actually the Holy Spirit, but he says dove just so we can relate to... Tell us where you're at again. I'm in Matthew 3. All right, let's take a quick break. Don't do it. And not only did he do that,

but Matthew points out that when Jesus said on John baptized him, because John was like, what am I doing baptizing you? Mm-hmm. I mean, this, which I would have felt the same way, which we later found out that the baptizer is really insignificant. What's going on is the heart of a man and God. And in this case, Jesus, since it was different because he had no sin, says, let it be so now it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.

And Matthew really, he uses that word fulfill a lot in the book because of all the prophets. But in this case, what a statement? It was just the right thing to do. The Holy Spirit descends on him. But then what happens? He then, in chapter 4, verse 1, Jesus was led by the spirit of which he just received, which he actually is, which is a little bit of a brain teaser, but into the desert to be tempted by the evil one.

and so after fasting 40 days and 40 nights he was hungry which a lot of people say well you can't stay alive that long so i'm not sure if that was just what form of fast that was but he's the son of god anyway nothing is impossible yeah i don't know why people make a big deal out of that but the tempter he had fasted in some capacity and he was alive and he even proved later that he can't die anyway because they killed him and Peter said no, that was impossible.

Speaking of impossible, which is what, you know, I've said many times just what irritates me so much that the movie world, you know, the most popular movie ever,

Star Wars, was basically written, he got George Lucas and they interviewed him, he basically took David and Goliath and the spiritual warfare and the idea of space travel

and the undertones of the Bible and made a movie. They couldn't stand that when he sat on the dark side. I mean, that's what it was about. This is where they get their ideas. And, you know, Tom Cruise in that movie, Mission Impossible, and then he does it. It was not an impossible. That's a mischaracterization of the word impossible.

What Jesus is doing, these things are impossible. If you come back to life, you know, Tom Cruise goes, if he makes a movie where he dies actually and comes back to life, now that's worth watching. And it would be true. It would be impossible.

And so then the evil one tempts him. And look, I've seen more lessons about this. I don't know how y'all would characterize the three ways that he tempted him. But the first one, he says, if you're the son of God, tell

these stones to become bread and Jesus answered which he answered scripture every time clue it is written man does not live by bread alone but on every word it comes from the mouth of God and then the evil one took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple if you're the son of God throw yourself down for it is written he will command his angels concern you and they will lift you up in their hands so that you will not strike you your foot against a stone, which is interesting that the evil one is trying to use scripture to manipulate the Son of God. Yeah.

Who wrote the scriptures? Which makes me think of that verse in Second Corinthians where it says the evil one masquerades as an angel of light. Yeah. So, and then the Jesus answered is also written, don't put the Lord God to the test. And then the last one is he took. him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms the world and their splendors all this i will give you if you bow down and worship me and jesus said away from me saying for his

written worship the lord your god and serve him only then the devil left him and the angels attend him which people i think when they see that well they're like well didn't he have it anyway but there's a difference in having access to it he failed well the earth and the kingdom i mean couldn't he how are you going to give it to him but i think it's a difference and having access to it he failed well the earth and the kingdom i mean couldn't he oh yeah how are you going to give it to him but i think it's more of an indulging, you know, yes, but it's, let's indulge in this. By the way, all the kingdoms of the world, because of the evil one, have collapsed. Yeah. But the kingdom that is coming will last forever.

And that's why Jesus said, yeah, you brought them down, one after the other. And you think that you're going to, if you say, well, what about, you know, what are you going to do about all this, you know, I'll give you all this. you know, I'll give you all this. I'll give you a kingdom that won't fall. That was Satan's life. Oh, yeah, no question. I think we get into like the, I love this part of the Bible because it gives us a glimpse into the Trinity of who God is.

So, I mean, just to clarify that Jesus is not the Spirit, they're different persons, but they are one because they're both God, the Father's God. But I think what's going on here is that we're talking about, the son of God in the incarnation. The word became flesh is what it says in John 1. Jesus in the flesh was limited. He didn't have his, he wasn't like omniscient.

You know, Jesus. Now, the son is, but Jesus in the flesh, because he said, what did he say, only the father knows when the end time is. He was, he volunteered, Philippians too. Well, he emptied him, so. Yeah. He's fully God, fully man, but that's the importance of the Spirit here, is that, but you see this in here that, like, that you see this temptation, but I love how Jesus continues to point back to the Father. He continues to point back to him when he says that is only God who should be worshipped. He says, the man shall not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God. You know, do not test God. I mean, so everything that Satan's trying to. do, he's trying to, which is not going to happen, but he's trying to divide the Godhead

by going after the sun in the incarnated state. And Jesus, like, I'm not going to have it. Yeah. I'm not going to have it. Well, and he uses, where is that, First John 2 that John, in another way, kind of identifies how the evil one tempts. Is that First John 2? well when I get back to the back in the

I like first yeah this is it I like go from 1 John 2 15 it says don't love the world or anything in the world if anyone loves the world the love of the father's not in him for everything in the world

and then he sums it up now maybe you can see the correlation of the temptation in these three things but the cravings of sinful man the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does comes not from the the Father, but from the world.

The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever. And that's why he says, this is how we know that we love the children of God, and by loving God and carrying out his command, this is love for God to obey his command. They're not burdensome. Everyone born of God overcomes the world. this is the victory that that has overcome the world when Jesus when Satan was telling them about all these kingdoms even born and you said born of God which you say well Jesus was born physically but he also was baptized here

he receives God's spirit and the first place he goes is to be tempted and the reason he brings it up is John said this is the one who came by water when he was formally introduced and the spirit came down on him at his baptism. And that's his official, I'm the one that will save the world. I'm the one that overcomes the world.

So he came by water, his baptism, and blood that he shed. And three days later, he's standing back up on the earth. And then right in the middle of it, he didn't come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the spirit who testifies

because the spirit is the truth. for there are three that testify the spirit that came down upon him and God said, this is my son. This is the one that's overcome the world. This is the way off of planet earth alive. It all comes together with the water, the spirit, and the blood, and the three are in agreement. So you look at that, you're like, boy, this is, anybody comes along and messes with that, John said, they're out.

They're out. They're out the evil one. Yeah. And now we're back on the mountain where he's saying, okay, you know, I'll give you this. I'll give you that. Jesus was in his mind was saying, I've already accomplished all that. You're out. You're out. Let's take a quick break.

Yeah, I think it's worthy of note, too. Well, you were in First John, I believe. First John 519 says this too gives a lot of context to what's going on here in Matthew four. He says that we know that we are from God and the whole. whole world lies in the power of the evil one. That's it. So Satan certainly had some kind of, or maybe even has some kind of temporal authority or some

kind of, he has some kind of. His fruit proves it. Yeah. I mean, you look at the, so I think what he's offering Jesus is maybe what's his in the world, which is certainly temporary because at some point, whatever he does have authority ever, it's going to be cast into the lake of fire. You know, when God comes back in a fuller fruition of his glory, it's going to be impossible even lie.

But I think what's going on here is he's offering, maybe what's his, you had said something one time. I remember a sermon you preached, Jason. I remember you going to this first. And I want to say you had went to Vegas, and you said you were up in the hotel room and you were looking at kind of Sin City. Do you remember that?

I mean, I remember being in Vegas because we had to go every year for 20 years because they had the biggest outdoor show there. But you were like, you was like, you tell you, I was reminded of this verse. I was, I was like young. I was like maybe 19 and you were like, I was reminded of that verse.

I'm looking at all that. And it's like, it could be yours. You know, but it's like, do you really want that? Well, right. Because really, it has an allure. And I mean, we have people writing constantly, like, you know, how to overcome temptation. And, but if you go,

if you frequent places like that and you're trying to find you know trying to prove yourself which is what the temptation was here or you're you want to indulge in the fruits of pleasure and the lust of your eyes or what you see because i mean you can't walk 10 feet without seeing something that's a bait with treble hooks on it you could smell you could smell the stench of it yeah Well, especially like when you go down to New Orleans, you literally can smell this. It's just vomit and they can't get the smell out. There's been so many people thrown, been hammered so much. Yeah.

And even just looking on the ground, you're seeing needles and drug paraphernalia and little cards with half-naked women saying, come here. Yeah. In Vegas, for years, they'd have what we. We call them the dirty poppers. Because, you know, the first time I went to Vegas, you know, in the South, when somebody tries to hand you something, it's friendly. It's, yeah. They're trying to give you a coupon or, you know, something or a flyer to church service. Oh, you can eat buffet or buy books off your meal.

So, in Vegas, when they hand you a card, there's a scantily clad woman saying, here's where to meet up later. And so I just started staring right in front of me and keep my hands in my pockets when I walk the streets. It's interesting, the temptation of Christ here. I'm just looking at this thinking there's three ways he's tempted, which is so similar to how we're tempted. One, the first one is he questions Jesus on what's your real identity. I mean, they say you're the son of God, will basically prove it. So it's a question of who are you. then the next one is, well, who is God?

Is he really, is he really good? Is he really, will he really save you if you jump off this lift? You know, is he really going to, I mean, is he good? Yeah. And the last one was power, like then, oh, well, I'll give you all this. Yeah. It's a lot. So it's a lot about who Jesus was.

It's a lie about who his father was. And then it's a lie about who Satan was and what he was going to really offer him. And that's, that's a pattern of our sin's struggle to you. Well, to me, it goes back to the garden. Mm-hmm. Because you see the same similarity. You know, the Lord was pretty clear. There's two trees out here.

One of them, some knowledge of good and evil. Stay away from that. The rest of it, I mean, we're talking paradise. And so the woman, you know, here's the servant. And the first question he asked is, did God really say you must not eat from any tree in the garden? But, you know, there's no answer. She should have said, yes, that's what he said.

But the question is, did he really say? say. So it's like you're just planting a seed of doubt, you know, maybe you have the wrong interpretation of what that sentence was. Or it's even a passive, aggressive, undermining of God. It's like, why? Because the first thing I would think is, well, yeah, why would he say that? What's he holding out? So she says it, though. She says, well, we may eat from the trees of the garden, but God did say you must not eat from that tree that is in the middle of the garden. And you must not touch it or you will die. But then so he doesn't.

Well, but it says, well, you won't die. So now he's just saying he's making God to be a lie. He lied to. But then you can't just say that. So he had a lie that was crafty because then he's like, but here's why he lied. He lied because God knows that when you eat of it, your eyes will be open and you will be like God. knowing good and evil. So that, now in that little speech...

You need to... Right now you don't know anything but good. Come with me and you'll find out about evil. That's what he said. Well, I think he's saying... You're missing out on a lot of fun. God is keeping you from reaching your potential here. Which is thinking about what he said, though,

it was partially true. Your eyes will be open. But it's the lure of you being... God, number one, because that's in essence what he said. You'll be like God. Well, who doesn't want to be a God? I mean, that's the whole, that's what he's trying to do with Jesus.

Look, I'll give you all this. You can be God of this, even though it is a stanch, evil bunch of God. Which is funny, though, just one chapter, two chapters back, Genesis 1-26, it basically says, God says, I'm going to, God says, I'm going to make man in my image. So they were like God. They weren't God, but they were already like God.

That's why this whole Genesis 3 narrative, man, you really get to see Satan, he's slick because his lies are cloaked in truth. There's a lot of truth in what he's saying. Your eyes will be open. You will know good from evil. But he didn't tell them, though, that's not what you want. But I like it because I think in our modern culture, the evil one gets too much credit. You know, people like the devil made me do it. Yeah.

Because her next step, they didn't make her do it. Then the woman saw that, well, it was actually fruit. that was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and you can gain wisdom. So she took some and ate it. Well, that's on her. He just gave her a philosophy that changed her thinking about God, and she started doubting, thinking negatively toward God,

thinking she couldn't reach her potential doing it God's way, which is something we all think, especially between the ages of, what, 12 to 15? Well, we still do with that. I said, well, James, James echoes that sentiment when he says. The first thing they start hiding are their genitals. They say, yeah. Yeah. You said, you know, who, who told you there was something about just walking around naked?

Shame. Shame. And we do that too, right? Kids, little babies, I told someone one night, you know, said, you know, like Fred's running around. He's a little kid. He's a year and a half, two years old, but naked. Yeah. Has no clue.

It doesn't care. No, I mean, he didn't care that everyone's seeing him. No shame. But now he's a 10, and I promise you, he ain't running around the house naked anymore. Yeah, well, side did, but according to what I hear. That's a lot of, he kept his innocence longer than most people because they said he didn't start wearing clothes to he was 10 or 12. Has that true?

He never thought anything about it. Yeah. He didn't wear any clothes. He ran naked until he started to school, and he was advised by his mother. time to put on some clothes. And he argues with her. She tires his butt up and then he started to question what he told me about you last night. That's what I'm talking about.

That's what I'm talking about. It took leather on his behind. No, you will wear clothes. So he wouldn't wear underwear or anything? No underwear. Oh, he got so mad at me one night. There would be clothes. There would be clothes kids if somebody took a shot of them.

But Saib would be standing there. But he would be the one that was naked. He was naked. He ran naked till he'd be. be six year and up one night i i'd beat him so he had a screw loose early he was going on about this year the luckiest man i said side do you realize i said you're lucky because if we were playing strip poker you would go back to your childhood and be running around naked at least once or twice a week it was well said oh he got hot got up and left he got my ass squealed the tires oh yeah he's said

yeah he's talking about lucky yeah i was like sigh had the best hand a whole time yeah but Yeah. It is funny. But what do you think when people, I mean, I kind of, because you got one verse that says, God doesn't tempt anyone, each one is tempted when by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. And so, and the definition of sin. Desire first and then the sin. So you have the evil and you got to realize the evil one is limited. I mean, he's not God. He's not omnipresent. And now, when you read Ephesian 6, when it says our struggle is not against flesh and blood,

but, I mean, it has a few departments of evil, spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. And so I know there's an evil world and I'm not sure exactly how all that works. But it's a cooperative deal. I think that the devil certainly tempts. But the devil's not omnipresent. Well, that's what I was saying. I think he gets a little too much credit at times. I think, yeah, he's not everywhere at the same place,

tempting everybody at the same time. I mean, we are compulsive. You volunteer to do the thing that you shouldn't do. It's not him forcing you to do it. No. You have free will. Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

Well, and it also, James also said resist him in he'll flee from him. Yeah, let's take a quick break. Yeah, I mean, I think that part was, James is saying is that you're dragged away and enticed by your own evil desires. And there's the progression of sin. And then when that desire conceives, it gives, I think it says gives birth to sin. And then sin, when it's fully grown, it gives birth to death. See, I think we try to put him into one category, which is a mistake.

I heard somebody say, like the three peas of the evil ones, pod, I guess, would be pain, pleasure, and pride. Well, you think pain and pleasure can't be any more different. Yeah. But you say, well, how does he use that? But you think of like John 9, you know, here's a man born blinder. I think about my own daughter who's had just multiple surgery after surgery, after surgery, after surgery.

Well, I've never, I've always viewed this as some kind of evil, temptation or or you know just attack and so but it's tough you know because then what are you going to do about it and you have other people and i and i guess another illustration of that to be you remember the story in luke 15 when you had the son that most people identify with that says you know give me my share of the state you know ain't nobody going to tell me what to do i'm going to be my own man he goes out there while parties he's on the party scene he gets drunk while on the up in a pig pen. But that other brother was a completely different temptation.

He stayed at the house. He didn't go out there and go a while. But at the end, he was puffed up, couldn't participate in the joy and was bitter because he wasn't getting out of life what he felt like he deserved. Well, both were wrong. Yeah. But it was too totally, you had one that was pride and you got one that was pleasure. Yep.

You know? And I think that's worthy of no. because you usually don't realize the attack is coming because it comes in different forms. Well, I think the- Pride comes before the fall. Yeah, and the attack, I think the attack, and this is why I'm glad that Phil emphasized at the beginning of this, the importance of the Holy Spirit in the birth of Jesus, the importance of the Holy Spirit and Jesus' baptism, the importance of the Holy Spirit of the initiation

of the ministry, now the Holy Spirit's in the trenches with him. It wasn't as being tempted. And for us, I think what this looks like, you see this, you play out in John 14 through John 17, is the spirit is revealing to us the truth about reality. And so to have true victory over sin, we've got to have a realignment of our desires. I think that's the thing that we miss out on so much.

We have, our desire has to be transformed. And most of the emails that we get are like, how do I get out of the sin, like pornography or whatever it is? Well, just thinking about, look, The last lesson I did the other night. They brought on themselves their dilemma.

Now they're questioned, how do I get out of it? What I'm saying is I brought up in my speech the other night that because the cell phone has completely changed the narrative on how quick you can get into something like pornography or because it's there in three seconds. And so,

you know, I brought up a point. Which is why I don't have a cell phone. Well, I'm afraid of it. But other people, when the civilization, you know, they use it, and it has some good things. But I made a point, I was like, well, one thing, and to go where we're at Matthew 4,

is I guarantee if you read scripture more than you're on your cell phone, that would be a useful tool. Yeah. Would you agree with that? That's exactly where I was going with it. You look at the Jesus gives us. I agree with that, and I don't have a cell phone. If you're reading the word on your cell phone,

okay but a lot of people they'll say that but you but you have to put it it's like any relationship I mean like with my wife you know if if if we're apart and I'm not doing anything to foster a desire for her and for her for me and we're just like we're not going we're just going to meet up when we meet up I mean well the temptation is going to be very difficult and I'm not the reason I do this podcast is because it's a way for me a man without a cell phone to get information from what's in front of me into their ears via the cell phone. I'm glad they have it.

It also... I'm not knocking it. I'm glad they have it because if all them didn't have one, we'll just be speaking into the air here. But it also helps you study. This podcast actually helps me because I read the Bible more

before I come talk about it. This is what's cool. Like I'm over at Sadie's conference and I was outside helping Jill sell some books. and this lady comes up to me and she said, are you Zach? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I am. She said, I got to tell you, she said,

me and my husband were not say, I forgot how she said, we weren't saved or we started listening to the podcast, Unashamed. And she said, now for the first time ever, we have a relationship with Christ. We're sold up for Jesus. We're like, I brought like six people or like three or four people with her. He had a crew with her.

I brought him all the way from like, Indiana or something, somewhere out of town. And I'm sitting and listening to her and I'm like, so the cell phone's not bad because this is a woman who's dialed into this podcast, heard her husband, and you know, you guys have met them too. I hear them all the time. And they're coming to Jesus or maybe they're already Christians

and they're coming for a Bible study. And it's, but that fosters a desire for the kingdom. And you see over time, the more that you walk with God's people. And it may be as simple as, listening to a podcast every day for an hour of some redneck guys in Louisiana talk about Jesus, but that right there fosters a different kind of desire.

Yeah. Because of what you're putting in. I do think you got to step back and look at it. It's like I would say less than one percent of my time is spent on a cell phone, you know, not counting calls. Yeah. You know, like actually talking to a human being. And I think that's a good percentage for me.

I mean, that's not very often. It because I just don't I'm wise on your part Number one is I don't want to be in for there's a lot of people who griping complain and over little things or they're legalistic minded or they didn't like this you know when you talk as much as we do I'm sure we're getting it wrong you know a lot because we're just talking a lot and so for somebody to stop what they're doing and you know send some paragraph about you know whatever or just unleashed You know, I'm like, hey, I'm, I got the Holy Spirit of God, I'm doing the best they can.

But I don't want to be influenced by that. And so, you know, I think like Jesus, I just don't think it's an accident that God made that declaration of what he thought of his son when he was baptized. And that was then the, what was the last thing said before he goes out and is led by the spirit. Because really, you think about it. when you're alone or when you're somewhere where there's a lot of temptation about to occur, saying those things to yourself or imagining God saying them about you is what would give you the confidence to do the right thing. You're like, I'm a son of God here.

You know, he loves me. He's proud of me. What am I doing here? You know, I mean, whether it's time to leave, whether it's time to break your Bible out, which is usually my go-to. I mean, if I get in a situation, like when you're talking about going to Vegas, I mean, I have my Bible,

even if you don't have to speak it. If you just carry it around, that'll do it. Look, they pop their side. I always carry your Bible and your woman with you. Well, look, so I got my Bible. This happened in Vegas, you know. So the Dirty Popper popped his side. They popped their side to get your attention,

and then they put that card out, you know. And I just held my Bible up. to get now where are we going after that uh well i think we should go we're going to be a math at the end of matthew i can give you a briefing on the update on the on the damming up the cutoff we're we're down to the final stages here and was there anything interesting or funny we put it on hold i'll tell you what let us talk about the poker and then you you come up with that and then we go into jesus being tempted in the desert yeah yeah Because I want to go to the water to the wilderness thing.

I've done it before, so I won't go into detail. Yeah. Well, you take over kind of moving it into the... Okay, I'll try to find a window. Yeah, all right. We ready? Yeah, last night, I had dinner with your brother, Cy Robertson, my uncle, your uncle. Last night.

Last night. When he was supposed to come... Willie had a card game last night. He said it was a friendly game. It was supposed to be. I got invited, and I will tell you, I was talking trash about you, though. About playing cards?

He said, Jay's... Well, let me see if this is the truth, because I have paid a lot of bills via Si. Yeah, he acknowledged that part, but he said you are the luckiest... The side is your cash flow. He's one of the cash streams that I have. What is good that he's Kim.

And his family, I mean... Keep the money within the family. I like it. So I'd love... You know what he said. He said, you're the luckiest person to ever play cards. And he said, I know all the big poker players in Vegas. I know them all.

And he said, nobody's that lucky. He said, if I didn't know him, he said, I would be very questionable how he wins every single time. So that's how size mine works. How many years would it take for you to say, how can you be that lucky? Because he's paid too much attention to Matt Dillon. and Matt Dillon, he does not like card players at all. So because most of them, the ones that are winning at the rate, Jase is, they have no good. Yeah.

That's what Cy's getting at. He said you can't be that yet. Because people have religious people. Cy does not view it as a game of skill. He views it as a game of luck. He's saying you're too lucky. I've had many discussions with phariseical types. people.

He'd say, well, I thought you was a... G-gambling card playing is not in the... You said the G-word. What I'm doing, look, is it gambling? It's not in the list of sins, is my point. Yeah, but what I'm saying is not gambling. In a 10-year period, I played frequently with Si, and pretty much the same people. Now, last night, the reason Si didn't come, I tell you why it didn't come, because it was

a $20 buying. You spent $20. Now, you can't go see a movie with two other people for $20. And so, and the skill level of the players that were playing last night was weak. Did you win? Did I win? Yes. I won a lot.

I won most of the buy-ins, $20 a pop. Because this was a social game. Look, Willie had cooked. Let's say buy-in. You're buying into what? You put $20 and they give you some chips. Not chips that you can eat. Actual poker chips.

I never tried that. Because, yeah, and so then you play a game. We were playing Texas Hold'em with a twist last night. Texas Hold'em? That's what it's called. But this was with it. Did it originate in Texas? And what's the whole way you're holding?

You're holding two cards. But the twist was you got dealt three cards. and you look at the three cards and you choose which two that you want to play in the hand. You do it before anything happens. They deal your three cards and you get rid of one. So now you have two cards, which makes for bigger hands.

And so like if you got two aces and a deuce, you're going to keep the two aces and then probably raise. So what you do, like, so the first hand, here's what I did. I had two tens. First hand, it's just we've eaten. eating, willie cooked. He had more food. He had one of his chili gullions. He had various deer steaks. He had some... A slum gullion. Yeah, it was all good, though, I will admit. Because that way, if you lose your $20, you were well fed.

You get a good meal. So you pay $20, you got a good meal. So I actually paid $40 because the first $20 on the first town, I look, I had two tens and a deuce. I threw away the deuce. And it comes to... to me and I raise because I was just giving them a crazy image of myself. And so when you have now community cards that come out, I have two tens. Well, two sixes and a seven came out. I don't have a six. But if somebody has a six, they have me beat because they have three sixes and I have two tens.

So I made a spiritual analogy because when I bet, I bet that because now I have two tens and two sixes. You're playing the best five cards. Well, this guy to my left who had never played with, he raised me when I bet. So I said, well, I know you have a six, but if you're going to try to make all your money playing the mark of the beast, that's a bad way to start this game. So I'm calling you for spiritual reasons. Well, he turned over. He had a six. I lost my $20. I was like, you mean $20 more? So at this point, they think I'm a wild loose can. I only did that once.

The first hand. He's crazy. He thinks he's going to run over. But then through the night, all the chips wound up in front of me. Because I didn't play like that anymore. That was just a teaser. That was a teaser. You gave him an image that you're crazy.

It was a hustle. It's kind of like a hustle. It's kind of like a hustle. But when it's all said and done, I have weighed. You're the kind that Matt Dillon put in jail. He's the one. So you basically are playing a game of skill where there is some luck involved. Yeah.

But it's a money management game. And once they don't realize, once you amass most of the chips, then you get power. You can pretty much. And you're the bully. Yeah. We're playing now with their money. Yeah.

I had planned to come over, but last night after dinner, after Syd told me about you, I didn't know you were over there. Jay, I was with Jay Stone on the Duck Car Room podcast. and then David Martinez, and they're into Jiu-jitsu. So they've got, Jay's got a mat in his living room where they, like literally in his living room where they wrestle. Now, is that a skill or is that look? Oh, it's a skill.

But what if you slip down right before you deal one of your moves? Now, you ain't. These guys are trained killers. They're trained never to slip. So they, well, they coax me into, I'm just trying to get you to say that if the same people win, if fighters, if the same guy, You never want to run. If he has a record of 42 and 0, at what point are you saying this is no longer gambling?

If you run up on an individual with the jujitsu skill set, well trained at it, and you try to get his money, his woman, or whatever, you've run upon the wrong dude. So what I'm saying is if a guy comes up and sees a guy trained in jihitsu, he says, I'm going to take him on. And then he thinks to himself, I'm what if I get lucky and hit hit him just right he does he does the same way playing cards well it's a lot the same but but you know you you you've run up on you you don't want to mess with i i wrestled stone last night jay stone i'm 40 yeah she did that i did it and because i thought i

knew he would take me but because he had all the moves but i'm like but i'm a pretty good wrestler now i am 43 so i hadn't yeah i wrestle max so is he now he's like 46 Oh, and he beat you? So how well did you do? That's embarrassing. I held on for about two minutes. They said we wet wrestled a minute. I think it's more like two minutes.

But when I tell you that I thought I was going to vomit, it was the most exhausting thing that I've done. I mean, it is. But that's what they say. They said, you gassed out because he's not moving. He's kind of let me get him in headlocks. He does that. He does it every day. It's the same poker analogy.

I play cards. Stay in your lane. but look I didn't want to go to the game Willie said come over because you know I'm tired of when my kids are playing they all like to play just for fun but they said that we need some better competition yeah I was going to come but I got

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