Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 359 | Miss Kay Loves to Give Away Phil’s Money & Willie’s Outrageous Antics with His Family

Episode Date: October 8, 2021

Miss Kay is the Queen of Fake News when it comes to family gossip. Phil shares the latest example of his wife's hilarious butchery of the English language. Jase tells the story of a God-orchestrated encounter with the hardest-working hotel employee he's ever seen. The Robertsons are big fans of tipping, but when Zach had a job at a restaurant, Willie made him WORK for his tip. And Al talks about what Jesus' disciples didn't quite get. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So Jelps coming in. We're doing, we're doing some interviews about what we did. So Kay took that to mean, oh, it's a go. No, we're still in a holding pattern with the show. Nobody has said. Mom is the, she is the queen of fake news, but not the malicious. Now here. Right. Not the malicious kind that Trump talks about. It's the, her fake news is because she hears something and then in her mind she creates the news story. And then it comes down to me and I'm like, no, not the way it's going to work.

What did she tell you? Well, she was just telling me what was fixing to happen. And I said, I don't think you're quite in tune with the powers that be. And she said, well, at least I have all my facilities together. I said, do you have all your facilities? Faculty. That would be faculties. She was like faculty.

She laughed, you know. So anytime that happens. I like a happy woman when she butchers the English language. I said, honey, I don't, facilities are like where you live here. These are the facilities where you're looking around. The faculties are in here. She was like, oh, really? I said, yeah.

Phil, were you looking around at the facilities to see what she was talking about? She does have a lot of facility. Did you immediately know she means? I just wanted to in a kind way show her there's a difference between facilities, meaning your brain power and these tangents that she gets in on. I said, look, honey, your faculties is what you need to work on, not your facilities. Well, look, as soon as, Dad, every time this happens, as soon as it happens, she calls me. Like, y'all are, the laughter is just dying down. She calls me and says, you're not going to believe what I just said. Let me explain something to you right now.

Y'all are young books. You're young. We're not young. We're younger than you. But you're in your 50s. I'm just showing you what's coming in the future. When you're women, there'll be some point where when they come in and they start on whatever they're starting in on, you're going to have to develop the quality of being able to, the audio is still there, but I've turned it off. It's like talking to an oak tree.

It's not computing, but you've got to learn to live with it, run, and say, watch for dinner. You have a mute button for your life. You just mute her. But it's unseen. That's right. I have trained my mute button so I can shut off children screaming. We need a counselor.

We need a marriage counselor to see if we can find somebody. What's that sponsor we got that does the counseling? We need to get to involved. I don't know, though. It actually sounds like a pretty good plan. It's like when the law officers are trying to get a warrant, you know, you need a judge to sign off. We need a marriage counselor to sign off on that film. I think it's what...

I've developed the art of two sentences in, especially if it's your woman of 50 to 60 years you've been running with. Two sentences in, I'll say, okay, mute button coming up. Bump. Does not compute. You have to keep in mind, though, where she may lack in some areas, let me tell you, in one area, she's never failed to forget on, or never felt to remember, which is when is payday. She's on top of payday. She'll call me two days in advance. She monitored that.

We get paid this month. She's got that down. And most of the time, it's, I need to know how much we're getting because I'm giving away a lot. That's exactly what it is. Well, she, you know, her family ran a store. her maiden name is caraway. And so the running joke for the last 50 years of my life for dad is there's that caraway coming out at her.

She is aware of the financial going zone. And look, Zach, I have to get asked three times. I'm like, call Zach, because she's asking me, but I don't keep up with that. How much money is the question is? How much money do you think she's poured out? And all I have to say is more than I can make. I'll tell you this, as I may think of one of her great qualities is that when she meets people, she treats everyone with the utmost respect, no matter whether there a janitor, a cook in the back, or a lawyer. You get the equal treat. Would you agree?

Look, we have a group of individuals that we meet with on Sunday morning. Some dude came up and got in trouble with the law. but he needed $20. And I said, I said, see that big, see that girl with that big hat on? I said, see right back there? And he looked back there, you know, Ms. Kay was sitting there, you know. And look, so she said, I said during the sermon, I said, by the way, Ms. Kay, there's somebody looking for $20. I didn't give him the $20 because I didn't know quite for sure what it was far.

She said, that's in the audience. I've already taken care of that. It was two of them, $20 a piece. And I said, all right, good enough. And then the sermon continued. I know that's the way you operate with your woman. Yeah. Well, no.

Well, look, I'll tell you a perfect story that highlights mom's quality that you mentioned. We were staying at the, we were doing something in New York. And so whenever we have to go, we stay in the Trump Hotel. We always did even before Trump was president because we like his hotel. Is this the one I was escorted out? Well, it is. It's a different trip, but yeah, same hotel. And it faces Central Park.

And it's just, I don't know, we're comfortable there. You have to bring that up because that's where he took me. He led me to Central Park. I know. By the way, by the way, why we're there? We're not really anywhere, but go ahead. When you're working with the human race, just remember this, Jesus said the poor and the downtrodden will always be there.

Help them. Somebody says, well, you shouldn't be generous. to people because they'll misuse the funding that you're going to give them. They're trying to con you. In some cases, that's the truth. But here's the key. If you're generous, what they do with your generosity is up to them. You give them the word, fear God, love your neighbor.

Yes, I will help you out. You have done a good deed. What they do with the money, whether they take it and go get high or drunk, is on them. you were kind and you were generous and you overlook the ones that just slick you that is true but by saying that you learned you learn to live with that or you'll never help anyone well that's true but you will draw every kind man in the world you get a few of those you get a few of those so so we're at the trump and i go by to pick up mom and dad because i'm kind of getting them where we're supposed to go and mom said oh come here i want you to meet my new best friend and so we so we walk

across the hall to another room, not even mom's room, and the door is open. And there's a woman in there cleaning the room. And she said, this is Lily, my new best friend. She goes over and they hug, you know, and then she said, this is my oldest son, Al. And then she starts to fascinated by how she's gotten to the hugging stage. That's what I'm saying. I mean, I just, but in the moment and the, and the woman, but you could tell what, what I loved about it was, is that this woman is around famous people in this hotel all the time, because we've seen a lot of them there. And she speaks broken English.

Broken English. And yet mom made her feel like she was the most important person in the world. And I could tell that woman, what she did for her in that moment was something she'll never forget. You know, because I'm sure she's been mistreated. I'm sure she's been yelled at, cursed at. And so to me, it was like that encapsulates mom. That's her.

Because she made this little, you know, immigrant woman, you know, feel special. And it felt like she was the most important person. When it comes to tipping, I don't even have to worry about it. Because trust me, I've got a woman of 50, 60 years, I've been running with her. Tips are in with her. Me too. If you're a waitress and you come over there, she says, you're working so hard. Look out because she's in her bill for it.

Well, that's the story I was going to tell when I was in Missouri on this trip. Because you know how now there's this something going on in our world now where we, there's not enough workers. I mean, restaurants have been closed off and on because they can't find people to work. Because the government has been sending them a bunch of money. Yeah. So, I mean, it's become an issue. And so when I was on this trip, well, the hotel was staying at when I was leaving, I was headed. We did the event the night before, but this was an obscure place.

We live in an obscure place. So I had to stay the night and fly out the next morning. well when I was waiting on the elevator this woman comes out of nowhere like a whirlwind she's wiping down the walls I mean she had the little uniform on she's working there but she was working like in a way that was so grand I mean it was as fast and as hard as humanly possible and nobody was watching I mean except me but she just come in front of me she actually hit the button for the elevator because she was on her way by. I was like, perfect, this woman. I mean, she's a whirlwind, you know, so she came back behind me. I was like, hey, and she looked up at me.

Of course, you know, we got masks on, you know, in the hotel. I said, I just want to tell you, you are one of the greatest workers I've ever seen. Well done. But she just, it's like she, I put her in a trance, you know. It was like, what are we doing? She'd probably never been comfortable. For her work.

I said, well, look, I said, my mom, who is the best part of our family, I said, she taught me at a young age to, you know, to be sociable and to acknowledge, you know, people in there and they're aware. I was trying to, because I was like, she probably thinks, because I thought maybe she's looking at me like a threat because I'm making conversation. You forget how you look. And she was like, oh, that's, that, that's, that's a great quality. and, you know, this and that. So I get on the elevator. I'm thinking that's the end of it. Well, when I get down to the bottom and open it, she's standing there.

And I thought, did she run down the stairs? And she said, you know who you look like? And I thought, who's that? She said, there was some guys that my husband used to watch on TV. I said, well, you did it. because I'm one of those guys. She's like, what are you doing here? You know, my husband, you know, he just wouldn't believe it.

And I was like, well, I came up here to share Jesus with these people. She was like, really? I mean, she's like, well, what are y'all doing now after the show? I said, this is what we're doing. This is it. That's what we do. This is what we do. Talking to you.

And so she's like, well, can we take a picture? Because my husband's not going to believe it. And I said, well, what does your husband do? And she's like, well, he works in a cemetery. I said, oh, I said, so he's a believer. Because I just, I don't know why I made that connect. I was talking about Jesus. She was like, what do you do?

I was like, he's believing. She's like, no. I said, he's working in a cemetery and he doesn't know about Jesus. And she's like, I mean, should he? I said, should he? And so I launched into the conversation. Well, how are you going to come back from the dad? I said, well, how does he treat you?

She's like, not as good as he should. I said, well, we fixed to fix that right now. You turn into an elevator counselor. Well, it just went into a Jesus proclamation. Then I told her, I was like, well, we actually have this podcast. She's like, podcast. And she's like, I mean, how much does it cost? It's free?

She's like, free? It's free? And she's like, and I can get my husband to act by? I said, oh yeah, it's going to happen. I was like, if you're wondering, I said, and if Jesus comes back while he's working, it will be the greatest show on earth. He has the front row seat, but he doesn't even have the ticket.

He's going to be shocked. Yeah, I was like, and I actually use that because I use that line of my speech. I said, there's two kinds of people. Those who are ready for when he comes back, and those who'll be surprised. You don't be working in a graveyard, and then you're surprised when,

the ground starts moving. I was like, you want to say, okay, this is what I do this job for. Because it sure is, heck, ain't for the money. I can't tell you many times. I live right next door to Rosalong, which is one of our big cemeteries here locally for about 16 years. And I did a lot of graveside services in there, including some of our family. But every time I would always say the same thing.

At the resurrection, this place is going to be amazing. I mean, and look, this is where I want to be because that's where I want to be, because that's where all my mentors are. This is going to be the place I want to come and head out because I know all these people. We're going to go on a massive ride. But I brought that up because if mom wasn't like that, you know, I could have just got in the elevator

and never said a word, but it actually launched into what I thought was a God moment on the trip. Yeah, when that moment happens, always remember there will be two kinds of crowds. A little bitty crowd is going to be running toward him. a huge crowd is going to be running the other way. That's true. Good point.

That's a good point. Let's take a break. Yeah, that's what First Estol and Second Thessalon say, right? I mean, that's going to be a great moment or a terrible moment, depending on where you are. Well, hopefully, that'll open the door for the... Oh, I loved it. You can spot them right then because the godly will be running toward him, and the ungodly will be trying to run away and hide.

Yeah. But, you know, it also is a lesson in character. I mean, this woman, who knows, you know, I mean, I barely met her. But I'm, that, that quality of character of being a hard worker, it just comes out. Yeah. It trumps, you know, wasn't that Martin Luther King that said it's not the color of the skin that matters? It's the quality of the character, you know, I mean, I mean, he was right. As a believer, I mean, he was right.

Yeah, he was right. Because in that moment, I was like, man, what, what a woman here. You know, it was impressive. And then I think God led the encounter. Some woman told me yesterday, after we met together, I think to walk out the door, you know, she ran up to me. She said, this is the greatest thing that's ever happened to me.

I just want to let you know. She said, I'll be here every time. I said, hey, glad, welcome aboard, girl. Yeah. But you're right, Jay. I said a lot of it goes to how you come up. up. You know, we all worked hard. I mean, I had a lot of jobs around town. One of them was sacking groceries for probably a year when I was in high school. And, you know, every time

a kid takes my groceries out to my truck now, I always tip them. And the reason I do that is because I remember what it was like 40 years ago to be that kid. You know, most people are not going to do it, but I'm thinking I still remember what that meant for somebody to slip me, you know, a little bit of cash so it was a little extra just for doing that work you know so I think that's a kind of hard

I waited tables that I waited tables at Benignans when it first opened up in West Monroe and I'm sitting in there and I was pretty a waiter and but you know you get a big tip you remember and all of a sudden Willie comes in and asks to sit at my table so I'm like

where's this going I know where this is going I mean he's like running me ragged. All he orders is like a diet Coke and like a like a chips and sauce or something. He's just more chips, more salsa. He's just the whole time. It's just Willie. He'd by himself. He came out of torture you. That's like he goes to a restaurant by themselves anyway. Willie? No, that's my point. It was so horrible. So then, so he's running me the whole time. Well, then I go to

the back. I come back and he's gone at the end of the dinner. And you know how they got this black folders that they put the credit cards in. Yep. And you put the bill in at the restaurant. So it's one of those things, but it's like, it's like wide open like Pac-Man's mouth, you know. And I look in there and he's got pennies and dollar bill. I mean, he's got about $150 of just change into a huge ball that he shoved into this. It was worth it, but I had to unfold every dollar bill.

I had to get the job. It was a great tip, but I probably spent a lot of time earning that trying to get it fit in my billful. Well, Zach, I don't know if you knew this, but on the, I think it was the last time we had Willie on the podcast. It was Jason's birthday, and he gave him. $50, $50, $50 bills. And he had them all. He had taken everyone or somebody had and put them in little individual rappers. Yes.

Oh, I'm sure it was one of his men. Minions did that, but it was, hey, I'm not knocking him. Mine and his relationship was repaired in that moment. So this misnomer that money can't repair anything. I tried to plant the seed that we would have him back on on my birthday and a hundred, hundred dollar bills. I found a new kind of man. I found a new kind of man, and he's generous, and guess what? He's my brother.

That's awesome. That's funny, Zach. I never heard that story. That's very classic, Willie. Yeah, it is. That's a good one. That's what he does. So I'm going to take some of the...

I still have a few of those in the envelope step, because it's kind of... The first... Pretty tight fish. The problem is, when you give somebody an envelope, they have some kind of glue on it when they glued it. Well, you can't get the... I mean, he probably did it on purpose, kind of like you,

because you can't get the 50 out. So the first... Two, I ripped open the envelope. I ripped the 50. Oh, my word. And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, buddy. And I'm like, I'm going to tape this back together. So I've just like, I basically re-gift them for various things.

What's funny is we, years ago, mom had the idea, I mean, this is a long time ago, that she was going to give us a $50 bill for Christmas. Because she always gives us money at Christmas, even now, which is so funny. But so she put the $50 bill in there where somebody got, their card got swept up in all the trash from the wrapping paper. Mabimia. And so, and it got burned up because they,

somebody had the big idea, let's burn all this tonight. And that's against the law. To burn the money? Yeah, it was probably Willie that did it because he's a little parloromaniac. So they burned a $50 bill. Well, mom just,

it was like you had just, you know, stolen money from her. I mean, she could not get over it. And so that's been 20, 25 years ago, she never has given cash since, only checks. Yeah. She changed her policy because that way if that check gets burned up, we hadn't lost the thing. But that's been a 25 or 30 year policy.

Yeah, it kind of loses to slester, they. You know, Phil and Mom, anytime they wanted to get you to do something, there was always a crisp $100 bill involved. That's right. The way they would describe it, you're like, oh, it's crisp as if it's worth more money if it's crisp. That's right. How many times you've been told that? Jason.

If you, this happens, that is one crisp $100 bill. But the actual payoff happened maybe 10% of the time. I did get the hunt. That was the genius of it. Whatever the thing was, it was so big, you're never going to accomplish it. So they knew. I did. One day we were the last day of duck season.

Now that I think back, it was a pretty slow year because we had like 690 ducks that year. And so the thing was. was we got to get to 700. And then dad said, and we were kind of doing a divide and conquer hunt where we just kind of spread across the property. But it was whoever kills the 700th duck gets a crisp $100 bill. Of course, we laugh because we thought, oh, yeah, the $100 bill. And then we spread out.

So then we're having a text back and forth. You hear boom, boom, boom. It's like, all right, what was that? So we're having somebody's got to keep a running tally to know who actually got $700. That wouldn't you know that the least hunter, me, killed two mallard drakes and one of them was number 700

and I had to cross a deep trench I got water all my waiters but when I got back I was gonna get that duck it was worth $100 and I did remember because you were I said don't do that and y'all did it

it was dangerous I said don't do that did you get paid I got paid we all came back here well he risked his life I did risk my life for the $100 bill it was his e-saw moment that's right he's have to be careful

because I said Don't cross that ditch. Exactly, the human race being what it is, after our audience has heard this conversation, you have a big bulk of letters coming. I'm in a bind, get me out of it. I don't want it 25,000. I got on drugs, and I just don't know what I was doing,

but all the money's gone. If you'll give me the 25,000, which is not that much if you think about it. I get letters like that. I'm comparing what you have. All the time, but there's going to be a plethora of letters now. I may go back to the Willie line when the guy came up to him at church and said, God told me to tell you, God told me you were going to give me $50,000 to seed my business.

I think it was Willie. Yeah, it was Willie. He said, well, he should have told me and skipped the middleman. I can't tell you how many business meetings we've been in the past where that was exactly what was said. Well, I said, well, I'm still waiting for him to tell me about how to do this. this. It's actually a good line. Pretty good. Let's take another break. So we're in Matthew 10,

kind of just wrapping that up. And I think it was really good because it was kind of as mission as we talked about last time to the disciples. And yesterday Jace was our One Kingdom Sunday at WFR. And the name of our, Ryan

Lee was kind of in charge. He's a worship leader, but he's also the director of One Kingdom. So once a year, we have basically a day where we just talk about missions and what we're trying to do and what we're doing around the world. And then everything that's contributed that day goes to our mission ministry. I know you're going to be going to Greece pretty soon. I am. I'll give you a report. Yeah, I can't wait to hear about that.

Because that's one of our best works is what's happening there with a guy named Larry Bowles. But we called it Speak Jesus. And the idea was, is that Mike and I started out, we have to hear the words of Jesus first. In other words, Jesus speaks to us, and then in turn, we go and speak Jesus to other people. And I think that's exactly what you see in Matthew 10 is the words of Jesus, because I mentioned this before Mark and Luke, when they're telling this story, they don't go into as near as much detail as Matthew does. They just had one little section of this. So for whatever reason, I think Matthew thought it was important that in his recording of this speech that Jesus gives to his disciples that they understood that look this is not

going to be easy when you speak Jesus I mean all men will hate you because of me yeah but he who stands firm to the end will be saved that's a pretty bold statement that all men will hate you because of me right well and then he also not a whole lot has changed since then he who receives you receives me, that's Matthew 1040, he who receives me receives the one who sent me, which I like that. You know, Jesus came representing God, the Father, and we represent Jesus who represents God the Father. That's the trickle down on being public for Jesus. Yeah, and that's how we kind of split up our sermon. Jesus speaks, and then we speak to other people. And so that's kind of the concept of that.

There are many cases in America right now, if you looked at it, back then a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. It actually, because of Jesus, it breaks up because you have one follower of Jesus and one who is disdain, just hates it, this thing about, you know, get that Bible out of my pay. I mean, even within a family structure, it's broken up in many homes. Right. what I was shocked about in Matthew 11 was that how we get it wrong, how we, and I mean we as humanity,

it's kind of our narrative on what we think Jesus should be like and who Jesus is, you know, in his narrative. Because really, of all people, you would think John the Baptist would never ask a question like he asked. and if I just read it in chapter 11 verse 1 after Jesus had finished instruction his 12 disciples he went on from there to preach and teach them in towns of Galilee

which is another transition you know you can see his transition to the next thing when John heard in prison which is interesting I'm not even sure how he heard that in prison what Christ was doing he sent his disciples to ask him

are you the one who was to come or shall we expect someone else it's a strange question it is a strange question Because you would think, well, weren't you the one who was going to prepare the way? But I think this, you know, y'all can tell me what y'all think. I think he asked that because he had it in his mind, his narrative, was that this is fiery judgment.

We're taking over the world. And then when you look at his speeches and what he's doing and blessed are the meek and the poor in spirit, and we're going to help others and be compassionate. Well, he's like, are you the one or is this or somebody else coming? Where's the fire? Yeah. Where's the vengeance? Yeah.

When are we taking over the world? I'm in prison. Yeah. And you're talking about being compassionate and being persecuted and turning the other cheek. And I don't know what you all thought. Thoughts on that? No, I agree 100%. And I think just like all the disciples,

who were with Jesus for three years missed the big picture. They understood about Messiah. They understood about Son of God. But they didn't understand about the kingdom. And they didn't because they were all thinking physical kingdom. And I think you're right, Jax. I think the question, I think two, the way I've always seen is two ways. One is that John didn't quite understand that.

He's still thinking physical Israel. The second thing was, really, to me, it shows the humanity of any of us. John stuck in prison. And by the way, you can read about it in Matthew 14 on why he was in prison. The reason he was there is because he called out the king about his relationship, which was an adulterous relationship. And so that's why he got thrown. So in other words, he wasn't afraid.

I mean, if he spoke that much truth to power. But I think in that moment, he thought everything I'm expecting, you're right, those words that came from the sermon, which somebody must have repeated to him, he said, this is not what I expected. Yeah. It's the same thing that Peter did. You remember in the garden, right? When they came in, he's like, okay, let's roll. It's time to fight. And so he pulls the sword out. He cuts off the soldier's ear. I would, I would rephrase it, though. I don't know if I would say it's not necessarily the physical, because the kingdom, because we're physical, and we are the kingdom. So it is physical. I think that what they're, I mean physical as in a place over in the, over on the planet.

Military life. By the way, conquering, but kingdom, they're thinking conquer. What do kingdoms do? Yeah, you move in, you destroy the village, you take all their plunder, and you move on. That's right. But Jesus' answer to that was go back and report to John what you hear and see. Make sure you tell him this. Hey, John, the blind received sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the death here.

the death here, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor. And he said, blessed is the man or does not fall away on count of me. Then Jesus goes through this thing, I tell you the truth. And he said, look, who'd you go out to see a prophet? He said, I tell you more than a prophet. And he talked about no one greater than John the Baptist, yet whose least in the kingdom is greater than he. from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing.

Which is my point. They didn't think it was. All the prophets prophesied about him, and if you're willing to accept it, he's the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears let him hear. So he clarifies the whole thing on the role of John the Baptist

and lining him out on what's going down. The one you are representing, is here on the earth and the kingdom is coming forcefully. Let's take another break. Yeah, my point is that what they're missing is the power dynamic. So you see the same thing today with people in the church. Like they think if this thing is coming with power and they're obsessed with this power dynamic. You see it right now with this debate on like the whole critical theory and critical racism.

It's about power dynamics and who's an oppressor and who's an oppressor. oppressed and we've got to take power back and it's an obsession with power and then right in the middle of all of that is the gospel who is this powerful God who empties himself and becomes human flesh. Philippians chapter 2 it's he made himself nothing. God takes on and becomes a servant. You know, the first shall be last. So what the gospel is doing and the kingdom, the kingdom is a total, I mean, it is a, it just obliterates humanistic power structures because what the kingdom is, it's flowing from who God is, who is all powerful, yet doesn't necessarily use that as his mechanism. He uses humility in the incarnation of Jesus. I mean, you think about the gospel

itself is the supreme, powerful creator allowed humans to get their hands on him and kill him. Yeah. Well, that's a weird power dynamic, right? And twice during all of this and 11 and 12, Jesus said, I think he did at least twice. I tell you that it would be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you. He brings up Sodom and Gamar a couple of times, which they're saying, where's all this? There's a lot of punishment coming in with all this for the ones who reject Jesus. He inserts that a couple of times.

But that's late. But he was saying that's later. I mean, you got to remember when he said, report what you see in here, well, they had heard, they'd already had this cricket sermon, the manifesto in the sermon on the mountain. Because they're all gathered around,

like, we're going to take off the world. He's the Messiah. Yeah, what's our game plan? And then he comes up with stuff like this. You've heard that you're supposed to love your neighbor, and I'm sure everybody's like, amen, you know, hallelujah. And then he's like, well, I say you love your enemy.

Well, wait a minute here. I thought we were here to conquer the enemy. To destroy them. What? Love them. What? And then even stuff like about the treasures, don't store up for yourself treasures. That goes against everything, a military invasion and conquering. You take their treasures.

They're like, don't worry about it. And then he gets it, don't worry about what you eat or what you wear, where you're going to sleep. Well, all of a sudden, this becomes a cricket sermon. You're like, where's the power? in this. We're going to be a bunch of wandering gypsies going around helping people that have things wrong with them. That's why he was talking about helping the blind and the poor. I mean, it just was not appealing. And I think that's why John said, I mean, is there somebody else coming? Right. Well, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they reject Jesus in, and, and, in,

Matthew 11th, what they basically saw who he was hanging out with in Matthew 11, 16, 11, 16, and on, it says, when John the Baptist came, he wasn't eating nor drinking, and they said he has a demon, but when they saw the son of man, he's hanging out, and he's eating and drinking with people, drinking, he's drinking alcohol, and they said, behold, a gluttonous man and a drunker, a friend of tax collectors and sinners. So they're looking at Jesus, and they're saying, if he, like, that's not the, that's not how he should come. He should come as sitting on the throne, He shouldn't come hanging out with these people. But I love this next line.

Wisdom, yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds. In other words, look at what he did. What did he do? He helped people. They didn't see that. They thought he came to conquer people. He's like, no, I came to help people and give them life, that they might live it abundantly. Yeah, before we throw the culture under the bus, because usually people say,

the culture got it wrong. Well, John the Baptist had it wrong. I mean, in a moment of weakness. He did. Because it was hard for him to digest. these principles, the Pharisees got it wrong, the religious leaders, his followers got it wrong, the culture had it wrong. And look, in modern day, we get it wrong. That you miss Jesus. More than that, for the same reasons. Same reason. It doesn't, what people do in our world

is they have a picture of how they think the kingdom of God should look like, and then they go here and try to fit this into that narrative, which is easy to do with the Bible. You can basically come up with any idea as crazy as it sounds and find obscure out of context passages and build a case for it. And there'll be people who say, yeah, especially if it pleases yourself. Right. You know, if you have selfish motives in whatever the venture. How many times have you heard, well, y'all are just using this as a crutch? And we say, yeah.

Exactly. Well, I've had people say, I can't believe that you think, you know, this wine, that Jesus turned water into wine was actually, you know, alcohol. Now, because now you say, well, why would somebody say that? Because his narrative of what the son of God was like, that doesn't fit. But we have a, we have read letters that seem like that's what went down. Well, then you have another supporting passage. that says, and this is him speaking of himself, the son of man, came eating and drinking, and they say, here's a glutton and a drunkard. Well, how do you get a reputation for being a drunkard

if you never drank? When you said you did. You see? It's pretty clear. But I think it also shows you how difficult it is for people, once you got your mind made up that something's going to be a certain way. Jesus, that's the whole point of this whole thing, is that he's coming in and completely turning this thing upside down. There was a little passage, I want to go back to it, because we didn't discuss it. We were in Matthew 9, verse 14, but I think it sort of shows you how some of this support that Jesus had sort of unraveled. You remember in verse 14, John's disciples came and asked him, how is it that we and the Pharisees fast? So now it's John the Baptist's disciples and the Pharisees together, but your disciples do not fast. I mean, that's criticism.

I mean, he's criticizing Jesus. Jesus said, how can the guests of the bridegroom more and while he's still with him? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and then they will fast. In other words, you're not understanding the plan here, but then he says something even more amazing. No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. Neither do men pour new wine into old wine skins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will run out, and the wine skins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wine skins, and both are preserved.

So one, it's another reference to wine, but what he's saying is, is I'm giving you something completely new in me. But even John and his disciples and everybody else had a hard time wrapping their mind about exactly what that was. I mean, that's how clear it is. John recorded even after the resurrection said they still did not understand that Jesus had to be raised from the dead. Right. They just couldn't. And right now, to tell anybody this, especially learned people, they would say, you actually believe that a dead man died and three days later was raised from the dead. You say, if it's written, that's what I believe. Let's take our last break.

That's exactly right. I want to say something about this because I think what's missed, because if you think about this statement, Jesus said, because this is the point, when he said among those born of a woman, there's not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist. So which flies in the face of every narrative on what religious people think you should look like

because he had animal skins, he lived in the woods, he was, he looked crazy, easy. He was real bold in his sermons. He looked like you, Jace. Well, yeah, exactly. But then he makes this statement, yet he, who is least in the kingdom of heaven, is greater than he. So for years, I was wondering, what did he mean by that? He just said he was the greatest human ever. And then he's like, but whoever's leased in the kingdom, well, then it finally hit me one day, that he was missing, what John was missing by asking that question, is what's coming. This kingdom is at hand. You don't realize what people are fixed to get who are in this kingdom. They're going to get

the Holy Spirit of God in dwelling in them, which the least one that has that, I mean, he may be a pinky in the body of Christ because we have pinkies and pinky toes. Tonails. member in to nail members but hey they're in they're greater because of what's fixed to have the sport the spirit because we know how this is transitioning but i think it's a key verse for people who don't think the kingdom has been established because why would he make a statement like that i don't see how it makes sense any other way besides that because what happens is it still sort of misses the whole big point of what how he came, which you have to keep going back to that.

And again, that's my path to immortality is a winding road. That's right. To me, it compares to me. It's like my assistant does all this work, I mean, for months, lining up, planning these events. But she has no idea what I'm going to say. And most of the time, she's not even there for the speech. I mean, she's just working, working, working, working.

I know nothing about that. So then when the event, by the time the event comes together and I'm going out there, there, well, she's not even, she's not even a part of it. Her work is done. Yeah, she's missed the moment here, you know. To me, I thought about it like that. Didn't mean what she didn't do was important. You had to have it.

And it was for a reason. But for her to try to then understand what I'm doing in this moment, well, she's going to have to come out here and sit down and listen and watch. That's a great analogy. And, you know, one of the things that I always think about with John the Bavis and this question in particular. Because remember, he came in the spirit of Elijah. In other words, it was that

sort of prophet. That's who he was. And I always think back to that, First Kings 19, after Mount Carmel and Elijah had this great victory, but the king and queen still weren't convinced, which was, he was crushed. And in that moment, he went out and sat out under a tree and said,

you know what, Lord, I'll, I give up. Just take me on to be with you right now because obviously, I can't convince these people to believe in. You trust you. So he had the same moment to me in that moment that John the Baptist had sitting in that jail cell, which shows you how hard it is, even for people like this with their character and their faith and all that, to still struggle. This is not working out good for me. It's exactly right. I mean, it gives me a lot of hope when I have doubts or when I struggle

because I'm like, hey, if John the Baptist and Elijah struggled with, you know, really trusting in the moment, why would I not struggle? But it also makes me, us realize that don't get a narrative in your mind. Correct. And make up your mind about, you've got to be open to see. This is God's work, not ours. Right. And I mean, I think that's the point he's given.

If you just base this on what you physically see Jesus or John the Baptist, no way you're getting in on this. It's crazy. You walk up and see a guy sitting at a party and they're like, there's the son of God over there. He's sitting in there. He's not doing anything wrong. but boy, he's right up on the line.

I'm not sure what kind of example this is setting. There's no way you're following that. You're like, no, this is not what we want to do. We want to take over the world. But in actuality, Jesus did take over the world. And we are the most powerful people on the planet. It was just not the way we can see it or would have done it. But don't you love the way Jesus defends John ultimately at the end and his character?

because he ultimately says, hey, there's no one greater than this guy. I mean, he's amazing. He's wonderful. But then, to your point, he's like, but look, that's the beauty of this kingdom is that even the least will be greater than he. This is, I mean, he came to do, even though he may be having some moments, he still is the man. Yeah, it was actually a hint of what he's like, what's fixed to happen is way greater than anything that has happened, which ultimately it's him dying, being buried,

being raised, people surrendering that. the evil ones defeated. We have the Holy Spirit. And he allowed John to be slaughtered. Yeah. That's right. By the way, he didn't get out of jail. Your gigs up.

That's right. With his head attached to the rest of it. I mean, he died there as a warrant. He was really the first martyr through this process. Oh, yeah. Because of how strong he was. Well, you see that. And immortality was his.

That's exactly right. I mean, we're going to get to it. But in the next chapter in 12, we don't have to get to it in depth. But he makes the same. analogy went in verse 39 when he's like this wicked and adulchish generation that asked for a miraculous sign

well you would think just because you ask for a miracle why is that so upsetting to Jesus I mean he's like you're wicked I mean if you went to a church bill and asked for a miracle

they'd say we'll see what we can do but they wouldn't say well you wicked adultery how dare you come in here and asked for a miracle. But his point was, and he gave this analogy about the sign of Jonah, well, what was the whole thing about? It was all, it was an illustration to show that one day he would die, be buried, and raised like Jonah got swallowed by a fish. Well, that doesn't fit any narrative on any planet in any culture. You're like, oh, so you're going to be like a guy

one time that got swallowed by a fish. And then three days later got spit out. They laugh. They're like, how about just give us the miracle? He's like, no. What they're saying is, is they want, they're saying, give us the, you're, well, they want to consume the merit of Christ or the miracles of Christ or the power. Or the power of Christ. And they're like, what they're saying is, we want to be autonomous, but we want all your, all your benefits. So we want the benefits of you without you. And that's, I think that's the thing that Jesus, like you're missing the whole thing, then because I am the prize. It's not eternal life autonomously on your own.

It's life with me inside the inner life of God with Father, Son, Holy Spirit. That's it. That's heaven. Which is my point. My foundational point, though, is if you want to miss Jesus, whether you're in the church or outside of it, come up with a narrative that's not his and then try to make it fit. You can be wrong about something because I've been wrong on issues ever since I've been

in Jesus. because you read and study, and then you're like, oh, you know what? I think I was wrong about that. But there's some openness that has come to my character because of that, because I realize this is not about me trying to fit God into my world. Right. That's just the wrong way to look at it, where it's comfortable. Because a lot of what he's asking you to do in your character and surrender is very uncomfortable.

You know, I always thought about this section, and we'll close with this, is that this is what, this is, Jesus has up to this point has been very popular. People are following him. A lot of people are questioning him. And then all of a sudden, when you really start to get into why he came and what he's saying, opposition is rising. I think it had something to do with that sermon on the mouth.

Look, I'm telling you, it was a cricket sermon. That's what I always said about us. You know, we created a lot of opposition, you know, dad in particular. But I always say people will love you until they get to know you. And then if you're a person of strong conviction and character, people are going to be offended and oppose you. That's correct. It's just what happens. So I think that's exactly where we are here. We'll pick up in 1120 next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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