Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 360 | Phil Wages War in His House of Horrors & an NBA Player Fearlessly Declares His Faith

Episode Date: October 10, 2021

Phil springs into action after Miss Kay discovers a horror show on their bathroom ceiling. Jase talks about why Jesus is known as the Son of Man, and Zach emphasizes the importance of not diminishing the divinity of Jesus. Jase renders a group of men speechless with one question. Al applauds Orlando Magic player Jonathan Isaac for his bold acknowledgement of Jesus on national television. And Jase and Zach explain why God reveals himself in simple ways. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Dad, you were telling us an interesting story about the going zone at your house. Life in the woods. Life in the woods will fill. In the house would feel. Well, we're used to dealing with dead animals to some extent or the other. harvesting ducks, squirrels, deer, whatever. But this was a case of Ms. Kay coming there, oh, you're not going to believe what's happened. I said, what happened?

She said, the bathroom, back in the bathroom, the ceiling is solid flies. I said, wait. Blow flies? The day before, nothing on the ceiling. Every once in a blue moon, we keep a fly swatter in case we see a fly, we'll track him down and get him.

But this was the roof is covered, so I get up. I said, these women. I said, she's, you know, romance in the story. So I go back there and I walk it, open the bathroom door, and I look up. There was a sequence of events.

Where are the flies that? Two nights earlier. But the flies there, like she said? The flies were there, covered the ceiling. Like a horror movie. I'm looking at them, and I'm thinking, how did they get in here? Yeah. There were none in the bedroom that's adjacent to the bathroom there.

There's a wall. There's my bed where I'm sleeping. There's a wall within, oh, four feet, four feet. Well, two nights before she saw the flies on the ceiling, I'd say 2 o'clock in the morning I heard a bumping sound if it was kind of a bumping sound and then it would be like a scraping sound

and a slight moan I thought so I wake up it wakes me up and it's black dark in the bedroom so I turn I reach up and turn the light on and I'm looking at that wall I thought maybe it's on the other side of the wall in the bathroom.

And I said, no, it's not on the other side of the wall. Well, I had stuff like a couple of boxes there, these battery operated drills, red back in there, somebody had did some work. That was there and some hunting clothes. So I began to separate all the, because it sounded like it was in there with me. Well, I'm going through all this stuff, this park there.

I had weapons parked there. You know, you come in my bedroom at 2 o'clock in the morning, bad move. If you didn't. Hey, Phil, it's me. I'm one of your son. You identify yourself because you come walking up in there at 2 o'clock in the morning. Bad move on your part because I got a cachet of weapons. What weaponry.

So I look at the wall and I hear this sound, and it goes on and on. It would be a little interval. It stopped. and it started again. What was it? Scratch, moaned. This was two days before the flies were seen. So I'm just giving you the sequence of events.

I'm starting to put it all together. So I'm getting at the wall and I'm hearing something that sounds like it's either in the wall or on the other side of it. Well, the other side is the bathroom. So I get up, walk around into the bathroom, and I look around. I hear the same sound. I said, something is, some kind of varmint is inside this wall. I said, huh, well, that went on for two nights. Well, on the third day, the third day, we got flies, we got flies on the sea.

Let it ride. So I began to try to put it together. I said, no, I didn't go outside and crawl up under the house. That's what I was wondering. Because I got three dogs there. I said, well, the dogs can go up in there and let me see maybe what's up in there. So on about the third day of this event, the flies show up. Well, I started out with a fly swatter, but I found that there were too many flies with a fly swatter.

So I go in there, and somebody gave me one of these little salt feel. You put salt in it. That's your... The assault rifle. That's your salt rifle, literally, and you cock it, and it blows out a scattershot with salt. and I was having a better, better aim with that. I was reducing the flies more quickly with the cocket and take it off safety, boom, and I'm scatter shooting with salt.

Well, they're raining down on the floor, Ms. Kay. She's scoombing them up, doing them in commode and flushing them. So for one whole day, we fought the flies. You'd kill 50, and you go back in there about an hour. Well, there's 25 more. and so I finally said, how are they getting in this bathroom? So you're waging war, but you're not winning.

I'm not winning. So I look up and I say, okay, I began to study every opening whereby they could have come in. Your house is 100 years old. Well, so there's an air-conditioned vent. I said, but they couldn't get in that vent. I said, unless there's a hole in the vent,

which I don't think so. I said, so they didn't come out of that. And I said, well, let's see. The lavatory was right next to a little bit of barrier there. Then the lavatory is right next to the commode. So I'm looking at the lavatory. I said, well, come up through the pipe. I said, they can't do that.

This thing runs out there and goes into the septic tank. What about however the critter got in? Well, so I quit hearing the morning. and the scratching, that all stopped after day two. So whatever it was is now silent. What I didn't know during that silent period for a day or two is when the flies showed up. I said, let me see if I hadn't put this together.

I think something was in the wall. I don't know what kind of garment it was, but it died. Now the flies have blown it, laid eggs on it. There's probably maggots up under this house and whatever they killed. And I said, the flies are coming off the maggots. I said, but there's got to be an entry point. So I sat down for about 30 minutes like I'm hunting deer or something, and I'm looking, and I noticed that the pipe that gives the commode fresh water,

the pipe that goes all the way out there to the city water. We got city water that far down. I look at that little coating on that pipe and it had a little flange on it, and I saw a fly come out behind that flange, and there was a crack in it. I said, I now see how they're coming in here. So I took tape, taped up around that little flange where it hits the wall. I taped all that up where they could not get through there. Well, I noticed when I kill the next 30 flies, the recruits didn't show up.

So I thought, all right, I found the source of how they're getting in here, and everything in the bathroom died. I killed everything. You get out winning the war on the fly. You cut off the rear force. So a day goes by, and then we were sitting there. I am the eunuch and myself. And when they looked up, Dan looks up, and Bobo runs by, jumps up in my chair, and he's kind of perched there. Well, I've lost my smell as a couple years ago, way before COVID.

So get off that. I didn't get COVID. But I can't smell you if you had rolled in something dead. So the dog is sitting there and Dan says, that dog smells like something dead. I said, get out of here. So I got him off me, open the doors, the other two dogs, sneaky and freaky. I ran them all out. I got them out there.

I said, get the dawn liquid. So Dan brought the dawn liquid, and we went outside, captured Bobo, and he had the Don Liquid in one hand. I had the water hose and the other. I said, dude, you are been visiting the wrong place. He had come out from that house and he had rolling something dead. I'm putting all this together. that's what was in the wall.

He died. The flies came. I killed the flies. The dog has gone out and rolling something dead. Now we've got dogs that smell like dead flesh. And I said, now we got to wash all the dogs up. I said, borrow the front door so they can't get in. They've got a flap.

I said, close the flap off. Dogs are no longer allowed in the house. Well, when Ms. Kay got that news, oh, you don't want to hurt them because they want to come in. I said, hey, honey. I said, somebody got to start. outside and if they're going to roll in something dead, they can't come in the house. Listen, there's about four or five days there of the biggest mess I ever got into on the plague of the flies.

Now, whatever it was, you say, well, why didn't you get on your hands and knees and just crawl back in there under the house? Let me explain something to our audience. We have killed timber rattlesnakes five feet long that have come out from one of that house. house. You just don't go willy-nilly. So I said, it's bad enough. Something has died. The flies blew it. I've been fighting them. But I was not going to get up in there and run into something that, a five-foot rattlesnake or whatever. All the diseases had come off something dead. So I stayed, I stayed out from under the house. I said, no, I'm not going to get up on it. I think it was,

I think it was a Mr. Possum in the bathroom with a lead pipe. whatever kind of vermin it was i know one thing he died the flies blew him they got in the house i've killed all the flies the dogs the dogs have gone and walled into the dead whatever was they have gone through extreme cleansing well that's biblical where there's a dead carcass they're the vultures the vulture will gather well i now declared so you city dwellers who never had to food with this but i guarantee you your house sounds like a house of horrors I mean, snakes underneath it, blowflies in the bathroom. It's like kind of a, like a demon-possessed movie.

I'm just giving you about a three-day period, four days, five, maybe. But you can't smell was the best thing. That's the best thing that ever happened to me. I couldn't smell them. Dan could. He said, good night, them dog. Well, the women got home, and although they could smell them, they said, well, that's not as bad as Dan said.

And I said, well, y'all get out there and clean them. So I cleaned Bobo up, me and Dan. for visiting me too early, after he ran the got in the dead thing. Ms. Kay and her sister are the ones that they got the other two. Dawn, Dawn Liquid in the hands of Dan. So, Dad, we declare you the Lord of the Flies. Yeah. You have conquered the flies, which he had to, Zach, I've never heard of having to get bigger

weaponry to take on flies. This is like something biblical. Well, I came in late to the party. I thought you guys were in the book of Exodus or something, talking about the flags. I didn't know what was going on. Oh, we were in the book of Exodus. There's no doubt about it. No doubt.

That's the craziest story I've heard in a while. That was insane. It was pretty good, Dad. The things that happened when you're on planet Earth, you never know. So, Dad, I wanted to mention the other day I was where you did Jesus. I don't know, Zach, you were on here or not, but it was Jesus says Superman, which is pretty good. And I had my gospel T-shirt on. And I mentioned that the guy at 316 T's.

The guys at 316 T's did this shirt with the gospel symbols. They're giving all the proceeds from the sale of this shirt to one kingdom. So everyone will know. So tell them what the symbols mean. So everyone will know. Our mentor, Bill Smith, came up with these symbols to just visualize the gospel story. When I was studied with, when I was 28, I'm now 75. So how far back is that?

50. Almost 50 years. All right. 50 years ago, Bill Smith drew this out on a piece of paper, an error coming down out of heaven, that first one, that's God becoming flesh. You're listening. These are symbols on a t-shirt. We covered that in the book of Matthew. Gabriel told Mary, you're going to have a child.

By the way, your kinfolks over there, Elizabeth, she's six months pregnant right now. And because Mary was saying, what in the world? How's it work? I'm a virgin. So we went through that. Well, that's when God became flesh, and it's an era that's coming down out of heaven. Here comes Jesus. He died on the cross for the sins of the world, which we covered in Matthew.

He's fixing to really get into it. we are in Matthew 16. He's going to tell him, look, I'm going to die, be buried and raised from the dead. But what Jesus is going to tell them, it's now a T-shirt. There's a tomb where they buried Jesus after his death, the cross. There's an error coming out of the tomb, the resurrection of the dead, by which it tells all of humanity, if there's ever a way to get out of here, that's the only way we found.

Ever. We've looked at everything. I've read all the world's religions. You say, anybody come up with a story like this? No. So there's a final error to return when he'll bring all the saved their souls and spirits. He'll bring them with him.

There'll be a resurrection of the dead. They'll be reunited with a glorified body and live forever. Smith wrote this down on a piece of paper. Because I was saying, gospel, what is that? Gospel music on the radio? They didn't even know what it was. I didn't know what it was. Well, he drew it out.

with those eras there. And I said, how in the world did I ever miss that? This is what I was 28. I thought, I missed that story somewhere between, you know, when I was a boy from right now. I said, I now get it. I said, let me check this out to make sure you're not lying to me. Because this sounds too good to be true. Yeah.

He said it probably is too good for us, but it is true. It is. Let's take a break, Dad. So we've been using those symbols all these years since. 50 years later. Smith has gone. But we appreciate those guys. It was 316 T's if you want to buy one and everything goes towards one Kingdom Day,

which was this past Sunday. What I love about it is, you know, people are curious about it. So like at the Southern layer, I had to put in some extra concrete on my driveway. And so we had some people staying there and they said, hey, you want us to draw the gospel symbols in the driveway? in that concrete? I said, yeah, that's a great idea. So Beverly did that.

And when I got back down there, my neighbor came over. He said, hey, what's your hieroglyphics there? That's the way he put it in your driveway. I said, I'm glad you asked. And then I went through the gospel, you know. And so I've done that now with three of my neighbors, which is really interesting because it's a curiosity. It's like, what is that?

Because you're not sure, you know. I got it on my front porch on the slab when they poured the concrete slab. Right. I told a little boy, the concrete man, I said, I want you to draw me some little hieroglyphics here. And I showed him that, and he put it there. There have been people that says, what's in marks out there? That's right. I told them, and they were like, whoa.

Some of them are like, ooh, I better get out of here, you know. That's why when people ask me if they can get a tattoo, because, you know, some people, because in Leviticus or whatever, that was tattoos were taboo. I just read that. Leviticus 18. do that. Law of Moses. Under the law of Moses. So here's what I say.

I say, yeah, get one. And then I said, do this. It's a gospel symbol. Yeah. I've seen a few with them. We have. Well, because I think when people ask. I think Owens put them on here.

Yeah, we have three of our elders at White's Ferry Road that have those. Steve Adams got them too and somebody else. I think when people ask what it is, it's a good conversation. It is. And, you know, you think about it, you know, symbols have been around. since the first century, really. Like the fish symbol is still around. That was kind of a, I don't know,

Zach, do you know when that started? But that was very old. The idea of the fish was kind of the way I've been able to say that you were a believer to one another. It was kind of a secret, you know, that was a way that they communicated. Between the fishermen and the first meal

that Jesus ordered was fish, fish played kind of a role. Yeah. And you still see it. Like on Dallas Jenkins on The Chosen, they have that whole fish thing at the beginning. And also, of course, the cross itself, which I've always thought was kind of ironic because so many people wear it. But, you know, the cross is a outside of Jesus is just a very cruel.

It'd be like we're an electric chair around your neck. I mean, it's like it was a terrible way to, you know, execute people. But in and of itself, it means nothing. A brutal death that saved the world. Right. And yet now it's sort of the symbol of Christianity. Well, the way he died, even though it was. It was rough.

It was who died was the more. Right. Who was going through that? I mean, he's innocent. By the way, these markers on the T-shirt, when we're coming up on Matthew 16, from that time on, Jesus asked him who they said he was. And Peter said, well, some say you're this one, that, another.

He said, what about you, Peter? He said, you're the son of God. And Jesus said, He said, I'll tell you the truth, Peter, that you're Peter on this rock. I'll build my church, first time church is mentioned in the book of Matthew, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. I will give you, Jesus talking to Peter, the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And so it's all laid out from that time on. Jesus began to explain Matthew 16, 21, the prelude is over.

now the point of it all is announced. You must go up to Jerusalem, suffer many things at the hands of the elder, chief priests and leaders of the law, teacher of the law, that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. And old Peter went to holler and saying,

no way that's ever going to happen. And Jesus called one of his disciples, get behind me, Satan. You don't understand the things of God. That is what the entire, Bible is built on. That's exactly right. And the turning point, the prelude to it all is about the kingdom, how you should

behave, what's going on here. But the strength of it is just fixing to be announced. And you wouldn't think people would say, hmm. And this is repeated throughout Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, so no one can miss it. It's said by four different people, the same events. You said, well, I keep repeating yourself. So you can't miss it. So a lot of you out there in Unashamed Nation have asked us about that.

And I mentioned this a few podcasts back, but I want to mention it now since we're talking about it. We have a book that C++ Ministries is our 501C3 that we started with Ben and Melissa and mom and dad. And everything that goes into this is going to go towards helping people understand the gospel. So we've made these little books available for you. It's called the C++ Gospel series. And you can go to C++ Ministries.org if you want to buy some. Somebody sent me a picture, Dad, of one of our listeners. They bought a whole box of these.

And I think he was a firefighter, but I'm not sure. But he was going to give these out to people he knew. And I was like, he gets it. That's the whole idea is we won't. Not only until we understand what the gospel means to us, but this is the life-saving opportunity for everybody else. And so that's the point of this podcast. And that's ultimately the point of why we're here.

I mean, save people who. And we're sort of tongue in cheek with. the C-plus gospel series to tell our listeners, look, it's not rocket science. You don't have to be an A-plus. You don't have to know. You don't have to be a brain to figure this out. Right. It's simple.

Brutal and profound, but it is simple. What I would say, wouldn't you say that's been sort of part of the whole core of what we've been studied in Matthew is that this is for the masses, this is for everybody to know, not just the hierarchy of leadership. Jew or Gentile. It's for people who just put their trust in Jesus instead of know the law inside it out and all that, you know. So I did a little study because I just noticed in Matthew 11 and 19 where we were last podcast that Jesus said he referred himself as the son of man. He said the son of man came eating and drinking.

So I was just curious, so I did this for you last night, I got your thoughts. I looked up every place in Matthew where he referred to himself as the son of man. So you got in 820, that's when he referred himself as homeless, when he said, the guy said, I'll follow you wherever you go. And he said, I don't have a place to lay. The son of man doesn't have a place to lay his head. in 9-6 he said this one was there's only six of them but they're really interesting he said but so that you may know this is the guy that was let down through the roof that

the son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins he said get up take your mat and walk so he was a healer the son of man but he also had the power to forgive sin So if you're adding these up, he's homeless, he's a healer, he forgives sins, he came eating and drinking, which gave him a bad reputation. So then Matthew 16, 13, when you read that earlier, Phil, I thought about that because he's asked Peter, who do you say the son of man is? And he's like, you're the Christ, the son of the living God. which there you get who Jesus is. He's the son of man and he's the son of God. Correct.

So I looked it up just to see. There's about 102 references where he referenced himself as the son of God and there's like 70 where you reference... That should be enough so that you couldn't miss it. Yeah, it's going both ways. The son of man, yeah, the son of man references out of Daniel. And if you read, it's a reference back to this messianic. prophecy in Daniel, and you read it, and it's not the picture of the lamb petting Jesus.

It's a picture of like sovereignty and power. And I mean, it's kind of a scary picture that he paints, you know. But it is interesting that how he refers to himself as son of God and son of man. I don't think what he's getting out there, he's saying, I'm the guy, you know the guy in the Old Testament that Daniel prophesied about? That's me. I'm that guy. I'm the fulfillment.

Well, that, you know, the last reference, I'm going to skip this one because you brought that up. In Matthew 2430, he says it many times, and it's this, he's coming in judgment. Yeah, that's the whole judgment picture. Yeah, but he was referring himself to Son of Man, which I think is what Zach's referring to. The one I skipped. Hang on, Jess. Let's take a break. The one I skipped was in Matthew 28, which where he said, the son of Man. came not came to serve not to be served which I think is profound I mean when you just put those

instances together okay he's homeless but he's also a healer and he's got power of give sins he's he comes in power and in judgment but he also came to serve and not to be served and the foundation of who he is is where the church was built. So I've always viewed it as the son of man's son of God is that he's the bridge. You use this illustration when you brought up the symbols

of the gospel. You know, sin separates us from God. Separates who? Humanity. Well, here came Jesus representing man and God. Right. That's right. And so do the math.

That was God's way to reunite or reconcile the Bible uses the words. I've always thought the same thing, Jay. It's his duality that he is God and he is man. Because a lot of people miss that. We didn't get long out of the, we didn't get out of the first century before we had a whole group of people.

They were believers, some of them, that came up with this notion that he wasn't really a man. They were like, well, he couldn't have been truly flesh. He was almost like he just was, you know, borrowed flesh because flesh is too bad. So they kind of went back to that old Greek thinking. And I think that's why he made such a point about being Son of Man and Son of God. Interesting point in the book of Hebrews, both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy,

check this out, are of the same family. Son of man, Jesus has said, I'm part of humanity. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. He says, I'll declare your name to my brothers in the presence of the congregation. I'll sing your praises. And again, I'll put my trust in him. And again, here am I. And the children God has given me.

Since the children, humanity, have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity, son of man, so that by his death, with the resurrection that's coming, he might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is the devil, and free those who. who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. What a text that goes along with what we're looking at in Matthew. Pretty cool.

Oh, yeah, outstanding. And I think about that, the Philippians too, you know, Paul said in verse 5, your attitude should be the same as Christ Jesus, who being in very nature God, so he is God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness, human nature, so he's both, which makes him so unique.

I mean, the only way you could ever bridge the gap, as Jason put it, is to have God be a man to then take on sin and die for you. Al, let's face it, it is the wildest story ever written. It is a wild story. Listen to this in Daniel 7, because he ties it directly to this conversation on the King's, as well. In Daniel 713, the son of man is presented. It says, I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven, one like a son of man was coming. And he came up to the ancient of days, and he was presented before him. And to him, speaking of Jesus here, was given dominion,

glory, and a kingdom that all the people's, nations, and men of every language might serve him. His dominion is everlasting. It's an everlasting dominion. He will not pass away, and the reference here to the kingdom that we belong to, by the way, his kingdom is one which will not be destroyed. So I think it's also the thing that, Son of Man is also a reference to how he's reigning in his kingdom and establishing his kingdom. That was part of that prophecy in Daniel 7.

So it's even bigger than just his connection with us as humans. It's also saying he came to establish his kingdom, the one that won't be to show. or destroy. And that was 600 years before Jesus showed up in the book of Matthew that we're reading about. That was 600 years previously when Daniel was talking, which is pretty amazing, Zach. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it is. And what was in the context of even when that was said, think about it, Israel wasn't even a nation.

They had been carted off into captivity. Oh, yeah. They had not even. So this idea about, you know, what about this physical land of Israel? they didn't, when that promise was made, they didn't even have a country. That's right. They were totally, you know, in captivity. You know, Zach, it's interesting because we talked a lot about the Daniel connection to the kingdom.

Whenever, when you wrote the movie Torchbearer, you know, that was at the core, really, of that whole movie. Because then we looked at the nations that rose up after, which out of that context, and saw what happened to every single one of them and said, look, without God, without Jesus, you're going to fail. and fall. I mean, it's going to clap. These United States are going to figure this out the hard way. We're figuring it out right now. Yep.

The hard way. Well, in the wrong path. We'll see. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. So I guess back to Jace, where you left off in Matthew 11, 19, which, by the way, in the context of that one, and we talked about it last week, he was saying, you know, you call me, because I enjoy food and wine. you're calling me a glutton and a drunkard.

But he referenced that as being, that was the human side of who he was. I mean, you know, his humanity, which is kind of funny because, you know, John came along and he didn't. He took the Nazariate vow, so he didn't have any of that. And yet Jesus is greater because of who he is,

which I thought was interesting. Well, I think it's the way it also referred to himself. I mean, I think a key verse in Matthew 10 was when he gave this, his disciples this authority to go and you know and to help in this ministry and kind of set the platform for us but when he said in 32 and 33 whoever acknowledges me before men I will also acknowledge him before my father in heaven whoever disowns me before me and I will disown him before my father in heaven which I mean he made a point to say you know this is about what I represent and who I am. That's why I brought that up. I mean, it's interesting that he referred

himself as the son of man, but then, because other people, as they study, they're like, well, over here he's saying he's the son of God. Right. So, but acknowledging who he is, I mean, because he summed up saying there's a God, because that is the big question in the world. Is there a God? Right. And here you have Jesus. If you come to us and say, well, What's the big deal with Jesus? We would say, yep, he said there's a God and I'm him. Yeah. The Apostle Paul said he's the first born to the Colossians there.

He's the first born, first one like over all creation. Right. I mean, he's God and man at the same time. That's a tough one there. And we talked about it before about the whole time mindbender thing because from God. I wouldn't mess with him. From God's perspective outside of time. they, God always knew what was going to happen and Jesus becoming flesh.

So from all of our concept of time, God already knew what was going to happen and that Jesus was going to come. That's why he saw him as the son of man, the son of God. It meant no difference to them. Yep. Because they got it. But I like that phrase where he said, whoever acknowledges me before men. Yeah. It's one thing to believe.

It's another thing to acknowledge who Jesus is in front of people. That's a good point. Because you think about, especially me, I did this on my little man-camp venture this past weekend. I was like, what do we talk about as men? Of course, look, the list was not long because I asked the question, what do we talk about? Football, money, job, women, hunting and fishing. That was basically what we came up with. They were hobbies, right.

Am I leaving anything out? Hobbies, whatever that, yeah. So I said, I mean, you just think when you get together, and there's men. What are they talk about? That's it. That's what you're talking about. So I read this version.

You're not given much credence to mail this show. You disagree. Now is your time. And yet it's true. Let's take another break. I can't argue with what you're saying. So I read this. I said, well, when we're going to start talking about Jesus in front of each other?

I think it was a pretty good way to start. Did it get quiet when he said? Yeah, it got, you got heard a pin drop. That's right. So, I mean, because it, you know, I was using it off that phrase, but I had been studying this for this podcast. By the way, us discussing, we discussing Jesus Christ, both God and man, what's the downside to that? There's no downside. There's no downside, but it does put you in a position of humility.

I love what you said, Jason, about acknowledging Jesus before, man, more specifically to what you said earlier, what we're acknowledging is that he is divine. I was reading, I was just reading Daniel 7 when it talks about the ancient of days, which I think is speaking of the father. Explain the ancient of days to people who may be, because they probably wondering what that is. Yeah, I think he's talking about like God, the father who is, because it says in Daniel 7 that that the son of man comes to the ancient of days, and the ancient of days gives him this dominion,

this authority, this kingdom, speaking to God, the Father. But when it talks about the Ancient of Days, if you read the description, I don't have in front of me right now, but it's his white, woolly hair, and it fire in his eyes. Yeah, it's the Father. Yeah, it's the Father.

I agree. But here's what's interesting. If you read Revelation 1, And there's a description there that's very similar to how the ancient of days is described in Daniel 7. And John on the Isle of Patmos, when he sees this vision, he says, I saw someone like the son of man. And I find it interesting that he didn't say someone like the ancient of days, because that's the description he gives is the ancient of days, the father from that Daniel 7. but I think what he's claiming there is Jesus in his resurrected state where the father, remember in John 17, he said, restore to me the glory that I had with you before the world began.

I think the picture of Jesus that we're to see when we hear the Son of Man, it is the incarnation, but it's also like, we're talking about God here. We're not talking about like a sub, we're not talking about a demigod. We're talking about like the creator of the cosmos. Jesus is the creator of the cosmos. He is the third member of our second member of the Trinity. And I think that's important because when we diminish Jesus' divinity, Bill Smith, who you mentioned earlier, would say this,

that we diminish his sacrifice and it's not sufficient. That's right. Yeah. So we have to elevate our view of this man, this God man that we call Jesus. Yeah, the sword out of his mouth and that description and revelation, but everyone needs to remember it's warfare. It's war. but it's spiritual warfare.

It's not physical. Nations, conquering nations. That's not the way the kingdom operates. He did cause some of that confusion by the way he operated as a human because it doesn't fit most people's narrative, which is why that's the reason the Chosen has been so successful, in my opinion, because I asked him about it. You know, Dallas Jenkins, the creator of the Chosen,

And I was like, so what, no, why is this different? And he's like, well, most movies about Jesus focus only on him being the son of God, and they don't want to be irreverent to that. So you have this mystic figure who does it seem like a normal human being. He said, but, you know, we're doing a TV series here. and there's a lot in the Bible about him being the son of man. And by his own, that's why I read those. It's like half of those were powerful.

The other half, he's like, he had a bad reputation, he came eating and drinking, he was homeless. Yeah, it's like, so he's like, we just have more time to represent him as a human. Because he did it. It wasn't like he created, when I said he created the show, I mean, he really didn't. He just took what he read.

read in the Bible and said, oh, he was a human. But his concept was brilliant because it was like, who would see that more than the chosen people around him that lived with him day in, day out? That's where they would see Jesus humanity more than anybody else. But he made the point that he actually has more time to develop that, to Zach's point, without making him look almost just like not godly, because that would be out. I mean, because we know Jesus in him there was no sin. So whatever reputation reference he's talking about in Matthew 11,

it was purely from trying to show them that their idea of lawkeeping was not right. I wanted to mention something. You mentioned about acknowledging before Jesus, something I just saw last night, and it made me think about it. And I had never been aware of this man before. There's a brother in Christ named Jonathan Isaac, that plays for the Orlando Magic. And he first came on my radar screen

because back when the NBA season started, he wouldn't kneel for the anthem. And everybody was kneeling, you know. And so that got my attention. I thought, hmm, well, this old guy, you know, and he said why. He said, I don't think that's disrespectful. I'm not going to do it.

Well, I mean, I thought, man, that guy's courageous. So I kind of started looking for him. When last night he was on Shannon Bream show, let's take a break. And, of course, now he's, there's a lot of debate going on the NBA. players about whether to take the vaccine. They're trying to make them take it.

They don't want to take it. So she had him on to talk about that. And they did for the first half of the segment. But the second half of the segment, you know, he just said, let me just tell you why, whether it's the virus, the vaccine, all this. And then he went into just a two-minute, you know, you don't have much time on those shows, but a two-minute gospel presentation of why he believes what he believes.

And he doesn't fear anything because he's a follower of Jesus Christ. And I was just like sitting there watching. I thought, man, not only is he doing this in a public setting, but he's doing it out of a group of people that you wouldn't expect that from, you know, these pro athletes. So, Jay, to me, I thought about this context because I thought, here's a man who's not afraid to acknowledge Jesus before men. And he won't be popular because of it.

I mean, most of the people that follow the NBA. He's got since we have the fear of God, we try to, persuade men. That's right. That's right. But I was inspired. I was watching and thinking, this young guy, he's in his 20s.

But he's just like, I'm full bored in no matter what anybody else thinks about it. So I thought that was pretty good. Well, also, you know, when we get to this statement he made in Matthew 11, this is not talked about very, very often.

When he got to verse 20, when he said, Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles have been performed because they didn't repent, which is a concept that I think we should acknowledge from time to time. And the whole point is... And it's a tone change, Jay, it's because up until this point, he's mostly just... I mean, he's said some harsh names, especially the leaders, the Pharisees, but this is a tone change for Jesus about the kingdom. I feel like, I mean, when he goes in here, this is what I call hard preaching. Yeah, but it, and I was just going

make the point that a lot of people say, well, if I just could see a miracle or if God would whisper to me, then I would change. And not necessarily. I mean, they got the miracles and they just dismissed them because at the heart of the matter is they didn't want to change their life. Right. And when God is real and Jesus is who he claimed to be, well, changes start happening in your life. It goes hand in hand. If you actually think that God has all these qualities of being everywhere and all-powerful and all-knowing and full of grace and truth and there's nowhere you can hide and all this kind of stuff well you would actually start making changes in your life because you're like oh he's he's fully aware and so this is where I get that illustration

about Jesus knowing what would happen if something that didn't happen happen because he the way he phrases this he says woe do you corrus and so this is this city, woe do you, best say, if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sadan, they would have repented long ago in

sackcloth and ashes. Well, it just seems like a boring verse until you think about it in that light. Well, how did he know what would happen on something that didn't happen if it would have happened? It didn't happen, but if it did, he's like, well,

that you would have repented. I mean, it just seems like a small thing, but if you really think about it when you think about what God knows and big picture wise, and he's going from city to city, oh, he knows what you're up to. He has that capacity.

You know what I think it's interesting to us. We've talked about this a lot, Jay's, me and you hit on this all the time. I think the reason why these people, if you're just coming for the miracle, then you're probably not going to come. You're not going to come. If you're coming for, the miracles point to Jesus.

And I think what these people were doing here, and even later when he talks about to blasting the Holy Spirit, Jesus is performing these miracles in front of these people. And they're so prideful and arrogant that even in the midst of the miraculous, what do they say? Oh, he must get those powers from the devil. And then that's when he says, you know, to blasphying the spirit, you can't be forgiven.

It's not that it's like this sin that's like, oh, if I do that, then I'm out. At one time, what it is, it's a spirit of pride and arrogance and a total rejection of truth in the face of the most obvious revelation that's pointing to Jesus. I think these people were prideful because when he gets to verse 25, he kind of mocks them when he says, at that time Jesus said, I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent

and have rebuilt them to infants. That's an incredible verse. He's basically chastising these intellectuals, and he's basically saying, to bar from the book, it's for the C plus people. It's for the infants. It's for the babies. It's for the masses. Well, I keep going back to the sermon on the Mount where he started when he's talking about

Blessed of you, when people insult you and persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Well, this flies in the face of these great feelings and people coming to the, you. the Lord to receive the salve or the temporary relief or the joy of like having a great worship service or you know you're waving your hands or maybe experiencing the presence of God in that moment and then four hours later you know your commode hugging drunk on a golf course or whatever you know you're you're happy because we see that and people say well how does that happened? Well, there's a difference in, you know, when you start talking about repentance,

there's a difference in coming to God to be wowed or to get some salve and living an everyday life where you're acknowledging Jesus where all these negative things, you know, who likes to be persecuted or have, or insults or, I mean, he started off saying that. He was painting a picture of this is going to be rough. Plus, the Apostle Paul alludes to this when he wrote his letter to the Corinthians. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those who are being saved, it's the power of God. It's written.

I'll destroy the wisdom of the wise. Going to your text, you quoted there, Zach, while ago, the wise and the learned, the intelligence of the intelligent, I will frustrate. Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher? And when Matthew's recording all this, they were right in Jesus' face. Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? Since in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know him. God was pleased through the foolishness of what was priest to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs. And if you look at it, what did they get? Did they ever get a

enough of them? They were saying, okay, it's by the devil he's doing. They were blaming him, one miracle after the other. They demand miraculous sign, and these Greeks, they look for wisdom, which is exactly the way it is now here today. But we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews, foolishness of Gentiles, but to those whom God is called, Jew or Greek, Christ's the power of God and the wisdom of God. He went on to say, think of what y'all were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards. Not many were influential.

Not many were of noble birth. The very wise people, even leading up to 2,021 years since Jesus showed up, the message of the wise, it's all a big joke, Zach. They laughed. They say it's for the ignorant, the unstable. We don't need that. We're too small. for that. It still goes on to this day. Nothing has changed. Well, I think that's why when you back

up and look at the whole chapter 11, you kind of had three instances where people had missed the real Jesus. And one of them happened to be John the Baptist, but it really wasn't his fault. You know, he was like, oh, should there be somebody else? You know, is there somebody else coming? Did I miss this? Well, then you had this. He gets into the culture and the general they're saying, we sang a song and you didn't dance. And then he refers to himself as you're just not the picture of who you thought I should be, my humanity and how I operate. Well, then he gets to these cities.

Well, they had a different view in the miracles. They were chasing the miracles, but no repentance. And so it's like, it's almost the whole chapter is about how do you be that close to Jesus and miss it? Yeah. And so then when he gets to the end, I think Zach brought this up, talking about all of a sudden, he gets into being, having the father in verse 25. And it says, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure. All of a sudden he gets into this family idea, which when you think about why Jesus came and why God created us and this idea of being part of a forever.

family that God wanted to dwell with people going back to the Adam and Eve in the garden and what it took to get us here through Jesus, I think that was his point. It's like you have me down in a ritualistic view of what you think religion should be. And now all of a sudden he starts talking about fathers and children and family and being real. and then he goes, he closes it with a famous verse that doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the chapter. But he says, come to me all you who are weary and burden, and I'll give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me for I am gentle and humble and heart. And you will find rest for your souls.

For my yoke is easy and my burden is light. Which I've always viewed it as he's like, you're trying way too hard on your own to find meaning, purpose, and accomplishment. and if you had just surrender to me, I'll supply the power. Which we're at it. I think that's the, I think that it does, I think it does fit, though, if you, because, because in verse 25, what he's saying is, I'm going to, like, I'm revealing myself to the most vulnerable people among you. Yeah.

It's the infants. I mean, that's when he says infant, he's talking about vulnerability, completely helpless. And then he says in verse 27, well, 26 says, this was, this was the way that God planted. It was, for this way, was well-pleasing in your sight, talking about the father. All things have been handed over to me by my father, going back to Daniel 7, when the ancient of days handed him to kingdom and handed him all things in dominion. And no one knows the son except the father, nor does anyone know the father except the son, and I love this part, and anyone to whom the son wills to reveal him. So the question is, well, who does the son

will to reveal the father to? Well, you already told us to verse 25. infants. It's the lowly people. That's why when you hit 28, he's basically saying, this is for the weary, this is for the heavy, if you got it together and you got it figured out, yeah, this ain't for you. Don't come. You don't need me. You've got it figured out. But if you're heavy, and there's people listening to this podcast right now, they're like, man, that's me. I'm weary and I'm heavy laden. The good news for you is, is that you're the one that Jesus is revealing himself to. It's those who are humble and spirits that, I need help.

Good point. Perfect ending. All right. We'll pick it up next time in Chapter 12. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes.

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