Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 363 | Phil Thinks of the World as One Dysfunctional Family & Jase’s Thoughts on the Resurrection

Episode Date: October 15, 2021

Jase expresses his gratitude after receiving an incredible gift for the Mia Moo foundation. Jase and Zach discuss why putting Christ first is so important — especially when it comes to your earthly relationships. Phil describes the world as one big dysfunctional family. Jase and Phil discuss the three simple words Phil uses to talk sense into people who are on the wrong side of the kingdom. Jase and Zach underscore the reason the resurrection of believers is about so much more than immortality. And Jase shares the basis for his treasure-hunting adventures. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? All right, we're back. We left off at the end of Matthew 12 where it's a crazy scenario that Jesus gets into because they tap him on the shoulder while he's talking to a crowd and they're like, hey, your brother and your brothers and your mother, they're wanting to speak to you. and he looks around and he said, who is my mother and who are my brothers pointing to the disciples? Here are my mother and my brothers. Whoever does the will of my father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother. And I bring that up to say, I shared last podcast about the Miyamu event.

It was a great success because we have all these families here and we're connecting through the pain and suffering of our kids and trying to help them have a productive life. And we're forming this community with each other, where we're relying on each other through this. But the last part of what I gave to them as an encouragement is that there is a way to be part of a forever family in Jesus. And so it's the bigger picture.

It's the picture that you look at when Jesus said, hey, I'll heal you, but let me forgive your sins first. He was planting that seed of us being eternal and being part of a family. And, you know, that's why when he healed the woman that we talked about, he said, daughter, your faith has healed you. I mean, he came here to unify the sons and daughters that his father created, which is us. So I shared that just to say, you know, we had a few moments that I thought were really incredible

that I wanted to share with y'all and see what y'all thought. But we had a girl named Meredith who she came over. And the first thing that happened is she presented us with a check for over $14,000. And what she does for her business, she has this business called Makeup Junkies, which is not my department because I don't wear makeup on purpose. But she actually became famous through that show, Shark Tank.

You've ever seen that show? It's entrepreneurs that come up and they have like these five or six sharks, what they call shark, money men or women. I think a couple of them are women. And so they give a presentation of an idea and they try to get these money sharks to invest in their company.

well and she she did that and they did and of course her business is taken off but I thought isn't this a small world though where she gets wind of what we're doing and not only did she donate that amount of money from you know from whatever these the makeup junkie is I'm not even sure what that is but she brought a whole group of volunteers who worked in entire weekend, you know, and I just thought in life, you know, the Lord blesses you, you have ideas, there's entrepreneurs, but here's a woman five states over who the Lord has blessed her with a successful business here. And she got up, I mean, right off the bat, we got together, the kids and the families got off the bus, we formed two lines, we were cheering for

them, you know, and they were kind of bewildered like, because we have all these volunteers. tears. And she just, she had tears streaming down her face. And she handed us with, you know, with one of these big giant checks, you know. So I thought, man, what, what a powerful moment to look at the greater picture of what's going on here. I mean, it was a fantastic way to start. So the great physician and his people. Yeah. The great physician. Jesus. Yeah. He's the best.

Yeah, and he does build a family, Jay. So I was thinking when you were talking about, use that term forever family. When we did college ministry, Jill and I for many, many years, so we started when our kids were really young and like toddlers and they're like running around the house and super, you know, disruptive. And you know, you're in a college ministry. You want to kind of set that live, you know, you want to have the good worship nights and all that. And I always thought, you know, my kids are, you know, they're kind of running the vibe here because they're running to the house. They're yelling and they're crying. Jill's, you know, taking them out back and forth. And after about five or six years of college ministry,

we had that, that first group of people that were coming through that were now graduating. And, and we had this, I guess it said four years, because college takes about four years. We had this night where we honored the students and all of them testified to this, but started with this one guy named Brandon. And Brandon starts crying as he's sharing his experience in the college ministry. And Brandon came up in a home where he didn't really have a strong family unit. And he, and as he's telling us how thankful he was for the ministry, you know the one thing that he was most thankful for was watching us raise our kids. And he said, you know, I never had that. I never had like a loving father. I never had that in my life. And just being with you guys.

And it was so cool because for him and so many other students, like, that didn't have that strong family unit, they found their family in the kingdom. And that's who they're, like what Jesus, when he looks out here and he says, who are my brothers and sisters? He stretched out his hand towards his disciples. He said, here's my mother. And here's my brothers. And I just hit home with me that night to think about God's kingdom when you get into a body of believers.

Like, that's really what God wants of us post, you know, salvation. Yeah, I mean, it's bonus for us to be family and part of a forever family. Yep. But, you know, because a lot of times a lot of non-believers, I notice they take shots at Jesus for saying something like this. They're like, I mean, why is he dissing his family? You know, and when he said that in Matthew 10 earlier about when he was sending them out, and he's like, don't suppose this is 1034 that I came to bring peace. I didn't come to bring peace but a sword.

And you're like, well, you know he came to bring peace through the Holy Spirit. So what's his point? But he's like, well, a man will be against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And he goes through that. Then he says, anyone who loves his father and mother more than me is not worthy of me. Anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And anyone does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

So how would y'all explain that? because it seems harsh or counterproductive with most spiritual principles about leading your family to heaven or being a good husband, father, mother, daughter. How would y'all respond to those two passages? I would wait until we hit Romans chapter 13 and there's an explanation of it. We're here to plant seed, seed of the kingdom of God. You mean Matthew 13. Matthew, what did I say?

Romans 13. Matthew 13, and you read about what the kingdom is like, he just said it's like a family coming together. So the seeds planted, some of it, they don't understand it. Well, they're not members of the kingdom. They're not Jesus, they're not his mother or brother, or they're not part of the kingdom. But then the second kind, they say, you know, this is it,

this Jesus thing, I've got to follow in, that's it, and they make a move to come in, but due to when persecution comes and when trouble comes, they quickly fall away. That's two out of two so far. In the third group, they hear it, but when they're coming up, the care of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth, and those members are not there. So only one group out of the four where the seed went down, only one group, they produce a crop some 100, some 30 times what was sown. His point is, when you look at the whole world with all the billions of individuals right now, when he said this, there were not billions on the earth. there now are. There is an unbelievably large group for whatever reason they're not members of the

kingdom of God and it's unfortunate but we don't know who they are so we just plant the seed hoping God will save as many as possible and the ones who say yes and by persevering producer crop they plant seed into others you say that's the small group of them all, the ones who say, I'm in, and they prove it by their behavior. And it's like a family that's been brought together worldwide. You say, that was quite the feat that he pulled off when he brought his mother and his brothers and his sisters together under one head, he being the head. I mean, it's remarkable.

What do you think, Zach? Yeah, I think that is a tough. passage because, you know, are we talking about actually hating our family and it does seem a little bit counterintuitive to the message of the gospel? I think the point is the same point that he's been making the entire time these first 13 chapters, which is that Christ has to be supreme. Christ has to come first. And that even does mean over your family. That is very difficult to hear for some people, but all of these things are all, everything is the temple, the the Jonah, all the signs, the miracles, family itself.

There's nothing that we can place over Christ if we're going to come to him. He has to be first and he has to be supreme in our life, and that's the only way we're going to experience life. So I think that's what he's getting at here when he talks about preparing people that, hey, you may leave, your family may reject you because of this. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, I agree.

I mean, any relationship that you put above your relationship, relationship with God, that's not going to be a positive thing in the big picture or with eternity in mind. He clears it all up when they say your mother and your brothers are standing outside wanting to speak to you. He said, who is my mother? And who are my brothers and sisters? pointing to his disciples he said here are my mother and brothers his disciples for whoever does the will of my father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother but he goes from there into a scenario that same day when he said this he went out out of the house and he sat by the lake and a large crowd gathered up and he gave them about a farmer planting seed,

and out of all the planting that was done, only one of the groups, other seeds fell on good soil. It fell on three different places. It fell on the path, and the birds ate it up. They didn't get it. He said, I'm speaking to them in parables, so they'll get the point.

Some fell on rocky places, but it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly because it was shallow, but when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they had no root. Other seed fell among, grew up, and choked the plants. He's telling you how many people are not his mother and brother and his sisters. Still others fell on good soil,

and looking at it from a family aspect, they produced a crop, this particular, one out of the four, by the way, which is small, they came to him, they said, why do you speak in parables like that? The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. He said, that's why I speak in parables. Then he quoted Isaiah, and Isaiah said,

be ever hearing but never understanding. You will be ever seeing but never perceiving. This is coming up, he said, and he was talking about Jesus and his kingdom. For this people's heart has been become calloused. They hardly hear with their ears and they have closed their eyes. I'm 75 years old, Jace, and I've planted the seed. And I mean it's so close to the parable of the soar that it's scary. When anyone hears the message of the kingdom, he explains it. Listen to what the parable of the sower means. And they don't understand it. When they hear it, I've seen a mighty throng. The evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. That's the seed song along the path. He's explaining what the kingdom is like and the family that it produces. What was

on rocky places, bad place, is the man who says he hears the word that once receives it with joy. He said, that's it. Eternal life. Jesus is the way. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes along because of the word, he quickly falls away. What was sown among the thorns still trying to get plants to come up. He hears the word, but the words of this life, there are many.

seepfulness of wealth, there are many choke it, make it unfruitful. But, now this is one out of four. What was sown on good soil is a man who hears the word, understands it, and he produces a crop, some yielding 100, some, some 30, some 60, some 30, what was sown. So the bottom line is, you say, most people that where the seed is planted, according to Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world. This is just prior to what he says what this is all about. Hold on.

Let's take a quick break. We're still about two chapters out. He's showing how at all where it's going to work and what kind of people he's looking for. He's laying on groundwork. And he finally, two or three chapters later, he brings it to the core. From that time on, when you get to Matthew 16, Jesus, began to explain to his disciples. He must go to Jerusalem

and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priest, teachers of the law, the most religious people on the earth. Well, he was bringing up signs of it. He said, I'll be killed, and three days I'll rise from the dead. Now the groundwork is there,

and they're all looking at him, like, what in the world are you talking? But he referenced in chapter 12 when he said that, when they said, and he said, well, I'll give you the sign of Jonah, which they had no idea that he was talking about dying, being buried, and raised, but that's what he was talking about.

That's what he was talking about. But I think it's, you made a good point on noticing that the first verse of chapter 13 says that same day, as he had just said about the family, when you think about that they're like, like, what now? Where was he talking about? Well, that, I mean, it's like, I mean, I've been to Israel and they, one of the more positive things, that I picked up on is the family dynamic in just the day-to-day activities and the worship. Just put the kingdom of God and its members and then put the people who have no knowledge of God, didn't think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God in Romans 128 and look at the

brutality of what they'll do. They'll do what art not to be done. They become depraved. Well, that's exactly, Jace, the pretty well most of the world. Yeah, you remember that what was the verse that says, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Yeah. I do think, and in the epistles, there's a lot of talking about our roles in our family and our relationships. But when you think about it,

there's also a lot of people out there that whatever a family member has done to them, they've sacrificed their character, whether they were in the right or wrong because of that relationship. And their whole life stopped and they never could get over it, whether it's bitterness or grudge or, you know, someone where adultery happened and, you know, somebody makes a mistake and they sin. But then the other family member elevates that, what happened to them to a point to where they don't pursue a godly relationship

or righteousness in their life. So I do think he's making a point that no matter what relationships you have on the earth, because it's harder to bring your family members, it seems to me, to the Lord than anybody else. And his point is, the world in Jesus' eyes, when he's talking right here, just prior to his death, burial and resurrection for the world, the world in the eyes of Jesus Christ at this time. He's just arrived. He's showing them what a new kind of family is, the family of God.

So he's looking at the world, Jason. You know what he's saying? The world is one big dysfunctional family. Because we hear people say, well, the disintegration of the family unit is really what's caused all these problems and the children are running an ever direction on drugs and rehabs and drunkenness and immorality and sexually transmitted disease, you say, it's a dysfunctional family. There's going to be one that I'm setting up and it's at hand that will be a functional family.

Smaller, yes, but at least it will be functional. And they're the ones who is my mother and my brother and my sister. He's clarifying it as he goes, but it's a hard sale, Jace. Well, I just think ultimately you've got to have in your mind as you function in a family of trying to get it to be part of the forever family, which is the ultimate goal. How many would tell you, you're trying to tell me people are going to come together certain groups and actually love each other and look after one another? Well, Jason, you've been at this since you were a boy.

You say, uh, it will work. Yeah. This will work. It'll work. It will work. It will work. But how many have said no to the people you've talked to? How many's...

Well, I'm glad he put this in here about the Parable of the Silver. Because it explains a lot. It helped me a lot. I've shared with and it's like the light is on, but nobody's home. Well, it's that first heart. whatever decision or things that have happened, they've hardened their heart to a point of where they literally are not hearing the words coming out of your mouth.

They've got words they call us the Jesus freaks. I mean, we're called freaks and just dumb. I like being a call it Jesus freak. Okay. It's a hard sell. It was a hard sell back then when Jesus was on the earth. Look what they did to him, the Savior of the world. and to this day,

Zach, it's still a hard sale, my man, any way you want to slice it. I suppose it's difficult. It's interesting to how Jesus tells this story, though, and that he does speak in parables. I think that kind of gives also a clue into how he's building his kingdom when he tells them why. You know, they said, why do you speak in parables? Why are you saying these things in parables? And you answer them to you, it has been given.

you read this earlier, the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. Who is them? It's these people. To the one who has more be given and he will have an abundance, but for the one who is not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak in parables, Jesus says, because seeing they do not see and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. indeed in their case. And that's when he quotes the prophecy about Isaiah, which Isaiah pretty much says that you can, like with Jason, you said they're here, but like nobody's home.

You're going to hear it, but you can't understand it. And he says, here's why. Because the people's hearts, this is verse 15, for the people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear in their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart in turn and I would heal them.

In other words, because I've heard people use this whole passage here to say God's like arbitrarily shutting these people out and I don't believe that's what's happening here. I think what's happening is the same thing about blasting with the Holy Spirit that we talked about in the last episode. It's a willful rejection of truth. It's sticking your fingers in your ears. It's shutting your eyes. I'm not going to see.

and I do think that God in those cases, I think he does start to hide himself because he doesn't want, I don't believe God wants us to submit to him simply because he's powerful. I don't think that's enough. I think God wants us to come to him because we love him and we see his beauty. And so I think he does hide this thing, this message of salvation from certain people who are truth rejectors. And I think that's a big chunk of what he's getting out here. I agree. I think two things out of that is Jesus said, I am the truth. I mean, he chose to communicate through a person and become a human. And so my always my invitation is to get people to read one of the Gospels or all of them over and over and over again and change their view. Because a lot of people minimize Jesus is just the same way they did here. They didn't take him serious. seriously or they laughed or they wanted to kill him or well people do the same thing today i mean there's a lot of people that you can share the message of jesus and they don't care if he was on a cross hung skin shot any any way you could think of someone diet doesn't matter because they're not accepting who he is that's why he has has so many claims hold on let's take a quick break uh let's let's like a quick break before you do that jace the other point i's going to make is i do think it's interesting that right after he explained the use of parables and this parable in that there's four

different heart functional hearts that you run into whether it's in your family or in the world and it's exactly what the way it is well you see it once you read that then you also see it which i think it's interesting that the third heart he doesn't really say is is dead or falls away It just says, you know, they're sitting there and the worries of this life and the deceitful of, deceitfulness of wealth, choke it. So it's like, it's kind of almost like they're kind of religious, but they're just worried about the wrong things and just going through the motions of life. They have a form of godliness, but they deny its power. But what I was going to say is, is when you get all the way to 31 and he tells this next parable about the mustard seed and he says the kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed which is a tiny we always

i don't i don't hear people use that as a relationship parallel because you think about it you may be the only member of your family at the current time who is a follower of jesus and in essence you're just a mustard seed i mean you're a small but he's saying the kingdom of heaven is like a mussel seed which a man took it and planted in the field though it is the smallest of all your seeds yet when it grows it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree so that the birds of the air come and perch which either the same birds of the air that ate the seed that fell along the path as he was going out to plant well now they're perching on this mustard seed so i think that's why god always through jesus and through his message and through the power of it, he goes to the small group all the way down to all these individual moments in the Gospels. I mean, how many individual moments?

Is he with a girl, with this one woman at the well, or with this one guy or two guys who were demon-possil, all these individual moments because that actually reflects. Solving their problems, solving their problems. Who we are in our day-to-day lives, and you start with your family. You can have these individual moments on who knows what day. You can just wake up one day and have a thought and say, you know what, you know, I'm in a war, a spiritual war, you know, with my kids.

We need to come to Jesus meeting or however you want to call it. But you can have these moments, and it may be through compassion or whatever the situation is where they come to a knowledge, the seeds planted that God is real, Jesus loves them, and they fall in love with them in this moment. That seed is planted. Then you look up 10 years down the road, and the repercussions of that has gone global. Yep.

Well, that's why when he finally gets around to the apex of the wise there, first he gave him the kingdom, then he talks about how they would behave inside the kingdom. He would perform in miracles. I have all the power. And he said, by the way, we're about two chapters or three out. he makes this startling statement. I must be killed and on the third day be raised alive. The first reaction that he got was from one of his own disciples.

It said, Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. Never, Lord. Look, there's a savior of the world. And Peter, if you say they all got it together, this shall never happen to you. Jesus said, out of my sight, Satan. take that for our listeners we're about two chapters away from the most startling words have ever been spoken jesus christ says you want to know why i'm here i'm fixing to die but in three days i'll be

raised from the dead that's the heart of his the reason he came down it's the way to be saved eternal life is tied to it and if everybody right now goes from Matthew 13 to show you what the kingdom's like when you get to 16 he says who they say I am

Peter said you're the Christ the son of the living God so he establishes that he will be the king of the kingdom the keys are given to Peter he says you'll make the final announcement that's Acts chapter 2 but everybody needs to fast forward

once you get to chapter 16 in Matthew and Jesus's startling statement, I'm going to die, be buried and raised from the dead. Matthew goes on to record, Jace, so did Mark, so did Luke, so did John. He said it there too. He did die. He was buried. He was resurrected. The secrets of the kingdom.

It's been unveiled. This is how it's going to be, and I'm going to be the king. based on my death and three days later my resurrection. Well, if you go to one of the epistles, I would recommend go from Matthew 16 that we're coming up in the next two or three podcasts and turn from there all the way to Philippians, one of the little books. He's in Philippi.

Watch what Jesus said. I'm going to die, be being raised. I always pray with joy. I think we with joy because. your partnership in the gospel from the first day. And now being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you, the seed was planted.

They said, I'm in. It'll go to completion until the day of Jesus Christ. So we're all to be partners in the gospel. Three verses later, I'm in chains, defending and confirming the gospel. Jesus died, was being raised from the dead. That's twice. down at the bottom

Philippians 112 this is really this is what happened to me is really served to advance the gospel you say the man is in prison he's the kind that Jesus said are his mothers

his brothers and his sister you get to you get to verse 16 in Philippians 1 I'm put here for the defense of the gospel Jesus died was buried and raised from the it. Verse 14, the important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or truth,

Christ is preached. Down at the bottom, Philippians 127, whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel. That proves you're a member of the kingdom of God and the family of God. Just below that, I'll know no matter what happens that you stand firm in one Spirit contending as one man for the faith of the gospel. That's six times he said it's all about the good news, what Jesus has done, what he's now doing. And you finish the rest of Philippians, you say, that was the base of the entire thing. By the way, it was the same thing of most importance in the book of Acts, Romans, and

Galatians, and all the way through the New Testament. Let's take a quick break. It's the hub of the New Testament because that was... It's an unveiling of what all this is about. But I think his point was in Matthew 13 for sharing these parables was one, yes, to get people to search. Yep. And so, you know, somebody said parables are earthly stories with heavenly meanings. Maybe so.

But I think it's real interesting when he tells us about the parables. of the weeds in 24, he said, I, he told him another parable of the kingdom of heaven. It was like a man who sowed good seed in his field while, but while everyone was sleeping, the enemy came and sowed seeds among the wheat. Yep. And went away, which I just thought that'd be like, you know, you're, you got, you got your deer plot there. They're always there.

And you plant it. And the guy crawls from me, he's mad because you got a little big deer. So while you're sleeping. He plant some undesirables or whatever for deer or uses some roundup. And so then in verse 26, when the wheat sprouted and formed heads, when the weeds also appeared, the owner's service came to him and said, well, why didn't you sow good seed in your field? I mean, you're a terrible farmer.

Where then did the weeds come from? An enemy did this here, but the service asked him, do you want us to go pull them up? And Jesus said no, because while pulling up the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both go together until the harvest. At that time,

I will tell the harvesters first collect the weeds and untie them in bundles to be burned and then gather the wheat and bring into my barn. Well, later on, in verse 36, the crowd went to the house. His disciples said, can you explain that parable of the weeds? Which he does.

He said the one he sowed the good seed is the son of man, which would be himself. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom of God. The weeds are the sons of the evil one. And the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age

and the son of man will send out his angels. They will weed out of his kingdom, everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They'll be thrown in the fiery furnace. But the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of the father. But what I was going to say is

when you hear that story, which it's a crazy parable from a perspective of if you didn't believe Jesus is the son of God. But then when he explains, explains it, you're like, I don't need to be worried about trying to pull out the weeds necessarily. My mission is not to go around and say, wheat, weed, wheat, weed. My mission is to share God's grace and who Jesus is and the power of the Holy Spirit

and do the best in these moments, relationships from friends to family, promoting this idea of forever family. and then in the end this is going to happen I mean that's the bottom line that's why Jase I have noted that used to when I was younger

I would feel a certain amount of righteous indignation for people who said get that Bible on my face I don't want to hear any of that crap well I used to be kind of a little mad about it I have now learned to use three words just think

about it yeah think about it. Well, it's like even your... Those kind, I've had them come back and said, you know what? I did think about it. And the more I thought about it, I think I'm on the wrong side of this. I said, you have come to it.

And then we proceed from there. Most of those end up big members of the kingdom. But at first, they were like the first man in the parable of the soil. They said, what are you talking about that? Well, they have to go pursue it for themselves. And that's why he uses parables and all. Or not want us to lash out at them for not embrace it. just tell them to think about it.

But I remember you sharing one time that even your own sister, when she tried to share with you at first, you didn't, you weren't receptive. Not at all. And you didn't treat her well. And that's why I'm saying. Now, she could have said, well, he's just a weed. And just said, you know, to hell with him, literally.

That's right. And moved on. But she kept pursuing it and the circumstances change. And I'm saying that in light of where we were earlier about, about hating or loving less members of your family compared to the forever family. You can't get so caught up in the tension of someone not following Jesus to where you give up on them or give up on yourself or the whole idea of God because of all the real pain and suffering that we have to go through in our family relationships.

Yeah, my point is, my point is, Zach, when you get to. get to Matthew 16 in two or three chapters, all this groundwork is being laid. But if you notice carefully, Jace, at no time that I don't think in the book of Matthew until Jesus in Matthew 16, that's the first time that anybody, including Jesus, starts talking about the resurrection of the dead in detail. That's sort of, that's why it was such a shocker when he said, they're going to kill me in three days I'll be raised from the dead. They're like, Peter was sitting there saying, do what? You're going to do what? It was, that's why I think he had to take his time with what the kingdom is like and that what's it going to be like and the behavior. You figured they would have got it.

I mean, Abraham got it and he didn't even hear the prediction. But the thing is, is that they, these guys have been waiting on this physical, earthly political, I said, probably better word, political kingdom, and Jesus shows up, and he's like, he said, let me tell what the kingdom's like. It's like, it's, it's like this mustard seed. It's that small and insignificant. Yeah, it looks very insignificant, but what that's going to grow into is going to be the base where things are going to sit. Earth-shattering. That's what I'm saying. It may be one conversation with your son or daughter of your house. One conversation. so small of a thing you didn't really realize it.

I mean, that's why I keep bringing up this event because it's, you know, I'm raw. The emotions are raw after we just went through that. But I told somebody, because the parents, we have our session, we have our time together, because we're just, we're, it's a real tough lot in life. I said, but do these kids who are experiencing this?

They'll remember this, the rest of their life. This will be a highlight. When the resurrection of the dead is introduced, Matthew, slow go until you get to a certain point. Then he begins to talk about the resurrection. Once the resurrection of the dead is introduced, then people are saying, so wait a minute, what you're telling me is,

if I put my faith in this person, Jesus Christ, immortality is riding on it. Eternity is riding on it. You say, you are wising up. it's a hard sale but according to according to Jesus it's not it's not just

immortality it's immortality and life with him yeah that he like he's the prize I mean you can be raised to the dead if he if he's not involved in it that doesn't matter anyways

the reason why it matters is because you're being raised from the dead to live with him it's that union but when you think about like this kingdom when you guys are describing the kingdom here I was thinking about Jason, particularly that verse you were reading, if you're doing the work of the kingdom

and there's a harvest, the enemy is coming to put the weeds in the garden. I mean, that's going to happen. And I was thinking about, you know, what's a good litmus test for us to identify when the enemy comes and how do we know if it's a weed or if it's actual wheat, particularly in this infancy stages of the growth? I think it's, I think it's, I think it's what, Phil keeps sitting back on, it's the centrality of Jesus and what he did and what he's going to do here, but what he did. I think that's the thing. If I'm going around talking about what everybody else is doing, if I'm going around talking about, you know, people and other churches or whatever, that's not, like, the kingdom is focused on the king, first and foremost. I agree.

And then I think those eight attitudes or spiritual principles that he started off are present. You know, Blessed of the Poor and Spirit. Remember where he got started. It's their fruit. Well, it's a focus on Jesus, and it's an attitude of hungering and thirsting for righteousness. I mean, you can't underestimate that. When you have somebody in your group. Hold that thought.

Let's take one last break, Jace. You have somebody in your group, you just think, they get up every morning and they're hungering and thirsting. Like you're starving, hadn't eaten five days. When you have that attitude for doing what's right, I guarantee you they're going to be an asset on your team. That is right. I just noticed it with having all these volunteers at this event. I mean, these people said, I'm going to give up my whole weekend to try to bring some joy to some kids. I mean, it's just a special kind of person.

And my point is, yes, they were, they just happened to be focused on Jesus. But they also, you could tell they were wheat. They weren't weeds. Just in their demeanor and their attitude. They're giving up their time. They're, I mean, I just think they were filled. Yeah. Blesser of those who hunger and thirst for righteous for they shall be filled.

I mean, that promise is pretty incredible. I think about that when he says, going back to the kingdom, what does he say? He says, speaking of righteousness, he says, seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. And if you do that, then what? Then all these things will be added unto you. So many times we're focusing on the things that we want to be added unto us. And I think the whole point of Jesus's whole sermon on the Mount and all these parables, he's basically just saying, seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness.

and all that's going to be cut, that'll be added, all that'll be added unto you. You're trying to make that happen when you just need to focus on like me, you know, seek me, seek the kingdom, seek righteousness. You'll be filled. You'll be filled up. You won't thirst anymore. Well, then he got to the treasure hunting verse,

one of the many that inspired me to get a metal detector and start treasure hunting because I'm like, why is the savior of the world that created the universe, keep bringing this up? But I love it because, I think it goes into your point when you said, Zach, about it's one thing to experience the resurrection, and the next level is to be resurrected for what to actually be with Jesus and the Father, through the Spirit, for eternity.

I mean, that's like, okay, yeah, it's cool to come back from the dead. I mean, I would like to do that, but for what? For what reason? So you got Matthew 17, which we'll be in in two or three weeks. The son of man is going to be betrayed into the hands of me, and they'll kill him. On the third day, he will be raised to life. You'd think, well, let's see. I wonder what their reaction is going to be.

Now watch yes, Jace. And the disciples were filled with grief. The greatest thing that God could ever do is announced. Yeah. I will raise you from the, I'm going to be raised. from the dead. They're going to kill me. They're like, oh, no. The greatest thing that's fixing to happen in the history of mankind and the disciples are singing the blues because they just don't quite, they hadn't put it together. It's a hard sell. Because you don't realize,

being at now. You're right, Phil, and you don't realize what you have until you lose it. When you're standing with your savior or you put your faith and trust in, the resurrection doesn't mean anything. until he dies. Well, then you're like, wait a minute. Oh, he can come back? And for what? And I can be with him again? First, it was you going to do forever?

You're going to do what? Yeah. And he's trying to explain them. And they're all sad. Peter's saying, no way. Well, we do the same thing. I mean, tell me about it. Well, to your point, earlier, J.C., I love the way you phrase that.

For what? It's, what are we raised for? We spend a lot of time focus on what we're saved for. from, we don't spend near enough time about talking about what we're saved to. You are correct. Oh, and what we're raised to do. You are correct. So I want to read this for, because I, you know, this is, we got a group of people who are

into finding Earth's lost treasures in a physical way. And God makes this a spiritual thing. He says in 44 of 13, he says, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which, which really excites me. Just the possibility of it really excites me. When a man found it, now this is weird. Because usually when you find it, you holler and you take pictures and you do videos and you say, yeah. Well, this old boy, look what he did.

He hid it again. Looked around in every direction. Make sure nobody was looking. Then in his joy, he went, had a little family meeting, gathered up everything, sold it and then bought that field. Because I think he realized there's more. There's more. There's more.

Let's live here. But then, so to do what is the next one? So he says, again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it. So I think when you combine them, you combine the idea of finding the greatest treasure that there is, selling everything you have, and buying the true treasure and experiencing it. I mean, it's a crazy, radical, powerful couple verses, but it really describes this pursuit of Jesus and what happens,

when we come to our senses and say, you know what, this is, this, this, this is it. This is it. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Well, I think we're out of time here. So until next time, what does Al say?

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