Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 364 | Miss Kay Surprises Phil and Jase, and Phil Is Shockingly Blunt

Episode Date: October 17, 2021

Miss Kay and Phil look back on all the fighting their sons did when they were growing up. Jase explains why he slept with weapons when he was a kid. Zach reveals where Jase delivered all his beatdowns. Jase had the "birds and the bees" talk at age seven after an interesting trip to the principal’s office. And Zach and Kay talk about Phil’s knack for being blunt. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Oh, Kay's here? Well, let's just start rolling. Well, I wasn't even ready for her to be there. Well, good night, Scuddy. Where'd you come from? Well, this is so weird. Out of the blue. Where are y'all at? She's up here. Where are we at, Kay? We're in the fancy studio in North Carolina. Yeah, I see that.

Yeah, it's just a high dollar studio here. It's a danger, I could fall on any wire in this whole place. Yeah. If I were accident prone. You could trip on any wire? True. She could trip. We did go two flights of stairs to get to the studio.

So she got her workout in for the day. It's exactly right without falling. Ms. Kay, I saw two men when I left the house. they were dragging a trying to drag a washing machine out of a truck and get it in the back room of the house back there good luck

did you have anything to do with that or new washing machine I did Daniel bought it with your money and you set up the logistics y'all got a lot going on what's a washing machine cost these days more than you think

what are they like four or five hundred dollars try eight eight hundred dollars for a wash yep does you get the dryer too no just the washer what happened hundred dollars it went out it rusted out if that keeps going up we'll probably get back to where we were you know when i was a kid with you know wash them and hang them out on the clothes line that's where we started and a wash day was a big event but you you you You would go a long way on bobwire fences. You could put a lot of clothes on barbed wire fences and get them later. I guess you'd get a hole.

Yeah, Phil, you did it on tree limbs. On tree limbs? Yeah, when I helped Granny, we run out of fence, so we put them on tree limbs. But y'all didn't do that. Your house, did you? No. And we did have clotheslines. Yeah.

We did have clotheslines. I hung up a mini of clothes on that clothesline. I told Dan that do not buy the same. model, the same type machine, if this one rushed it out. I think it's been, you've had about, what, five years or so? I don't know. I have no idea. But they're not building things to last a long time, Phil.

No, they don't. Well, they learned that a few years ago. They were like, if you build something to last, we'll go out of business. That's right. Phil, are you surprised? They've made an art. form out of building junk, I'll tell you that. That's why we got into...

Well, Jason won't quit talking. Whoa. Kay, do you have something to say? Jump in here. I just said it was Phil surprised to see me. I mean, as surprised as Phil gets, which is, whoa. Yeah, right. That was about it. Well, I'm looking through the cables and the wires, and I just saw you sit there.

I said, what in the world? I just forgot. Well, I got up early to do this. She did. She got... He got her makeup, Don, and everything. It's an hour earlier there, isn't it? Hour later.

Oh, an hour later? Yeah, we're on Eastern time. You guys are central. Yeah, I wasn't sure where y'all were at, to be honest. Why were you, while you were gone, Miss Kay, every man for himself. Yesterday's menu was a ham sandwich about 12 o'clock. And then for supper, I had a peanut butter and jim. Jelly sandwich.

So I had two sandwiches. That sounds healthy. Yeah, I'll feel good about it. And I assume somebody's feeding the dogs. Well, I'm glad we got all this. I guess I don't talk on the phone or whatever. She just leaves, and then when you come back, you assess the situation. When you get our age, it is kind of.

She brought about 20 people up here with her. So she's got a crew with her. What's the project? I always travel with a crowd. What's the project y'all have? have going on up there. Okay, why did you come up here? It's called Exploring North Carolina.

Oh. And eating with my kin folks. She comes up about four times a year now. So you need to get your little Airbnb up here or something. That's an idea. Yeah, that's what you need today. Well, my plane was full. That was fun.

Yeah, so we had a big dinner last night. Tonight we got, we're going to cook. I don't know what we're going to cook tonight. Well, it's a lot because we're eating out for lunch. Okay, yeah, we're going to Rocky's Hot Chicken. Nashville Hot Chicken, that's what we're doing the night. So we're having a good time, man. Well, good.

Sounds good. That was weird, Phil, when he just said that, ever man for himself. You know, one of our volunteers for Mia's fun day with all the families that we help through her charity. One of the volunteers was Lulu. and it's which is was your brother's daughter of course he's moved on to the to the afterlife but we started talking and we brought up memory lane kay you would have loved it what didn't you record it what was disturbing is I found myself apologizing for most of the stories that she was telling me

but uh so i was telling phil about it before we started erin but a lot of the problems was one of the things phil just said because that was the mantra when he just said every man for himself because that pretty much depicted my childhood yeah so she was like that you know that my parents which were my aunt and uncle she said they would just dump us off down there on the river with no explanation of when we're coming back how long you'll be here, or she said any kind of... Drive away. Yeah, she said, and there was no skill set on how to survive.

No. The cousin war, she called them cousin wars, Zay. I agree. It was like a bunch of feral kids running around, and the younger you were, you were on the bottom of the totem pole, so you got the brunt of the wrath. And I must say, Jace, you were definitely the meanest of all the cousins. Well, she said that also.

She said, I mean, I've never seen a more mean kid. I said, hey, it was ever a man for himself. I used that phrase that you just used. And so we brought up. He's a fighter. We brought up the who's a man. Because I said, I was told constantly, you know, who's a man, who's a man, survive.

And so it was pretty, so I really, I apologize. I said, look, I'm not sure it was crazy times. I'm not sure what happened. But I told her the time I learned how to shoot a gun, I said, you got to remember back there in those days, a lot of what was done now would not only be frowned upon, I mean, you would be ridiculed and persecuted. So I was like, it was like the first time I learned how to shoot a gun.

I mean, I'm eight years old. They hand me a gun in a box of shells. So I'm looking around on what everybody else is doing, all the adults, on how this is going down. So when I shot the first time, of course, I had a 12-gauge bagnam that was taller than me. And so I looked up for help, like, I must have done something wrong. Phil's like, hey, what are you doing? You got to lean into that thing. Who's a man here?

and so it was a miracle that nobody got hurt so that was the line that who's a man you ever heard that that was the line who's a man years years of that well what about us getting thrown out of the Halloween carnival jason for you fighting as we were coming in and then they just threw us out at pinecrest elementary school Jason starts a fight and we couldn't even get in the door. Well, I mean, there's some truth in there. I remember we had organized a, it was kind of a gang fight, but half of my gang didn't show up.

So the result was we just got pummeled, you know. Well, why did we get kicked out? We're just your family, and the whole family had to go. Well, you raised it. That's why they blamed you for it. Okay, I think it was that mantra in some places we just didn't belong. Well, I think I hung out with the wrong cousins because I remember me and Jep went to an LSU game and we were in college. And we got in somewhat of a gang fight, but my only backup was Jep.

And we were at a get-together after the game. And I ended up getting an altercation with a young gentleman who was, was way smaller than me, so I wasn't really afraid of him. I thought I could take him. Well, what I didn't know was that with him were about 15 guys. He was a trainer for the swim team. And the next thing I know, these guys jumped on me, and Jeff was nowhere to be found. No, no, he's a good runner.

Yeah, I needed you for that, Jace. Yeah. Well, at some point I realized that, you know, just because I only got a couple, sets of clothes and I may not smell the best that people are going to at school they're going to put you in a category and uh the category what they they kept calling me was poor white trash and uh so i figure those were fighting words i wasn't looking at the truth of the allegation but uh so it just led to a lot of fisticus you know i noticed another thing if you got free lunches or reduced lunches, you weren't cool.

Yeah. When that happened, they were like, oh, this boy is trash, you know. So it led to a lot of fights and different things. But we survived. They can be mean. Yeah. Well, a lot of what we dealt with Kay with dealing with these kids, which Kay has always been really good, dealing with special needs kids.

and, you know, Sa has that talent too, but, you know, a lot of these kids are made fun of. Of course, this is nothing, there's nothing they can do about it. I mean,

they're constantly, they should be lifted up. In fact, but they go to school because they look a little different, you know, they're just persecuted and bullied and different things.

But you and Willie both brought them home to stay with us, and Willie would say, the first thing he said when you all got home was, you know, I like to take an hour, afternoon shower, bath, don't you?

And, of course, that boy was like, no, I don't do that. And Willie said, well, I got some clothes in there. You're going to take one today. Yeah. Because he needed to. But he was trying to be nice about it. And it really, I like that

because he would appreciate the fact that nobody was taking care of him. Well, after this morning, what surprised me about this conversation we're having is that I was under the impression. I'm now 75 and I'm looking back

at my children, which are now, they all have grown children, and I'm looking at the whole thing and I'm thinking, I always thought until this morning that we were perfectly normal. Y'all are putting doubts in my mind

about, you know, wars and all this kind. I said, what in the world? What was I doing all this time? Wars were going on? I think, y'all are, are just trying to make patching another hoop net, I guess. Yeah, I think y'all are making

ends meet and I think we were out here in the middle of nowhere so there wasn't a whole lot of misty if you could get into. So y'all just kind of let that ball go. I mean, y'all just let it run. Now it seems like, Ms. Kay,

that that happened so quickly and all these children became adults and I'm looking at them now. Married, have kids in college, They just graduated. I mean, I'm looking at my grandchildren, and they're like grown adults, you know, driving vehicles and getting out of school, getting their education, going here and there.

That was the fastest period. I mean, it was like, you know, James said life itself is like a vapor, but it's amazing how fast all that happens, your children, and then they again begin to produce children. children and you look at them now, you know, and I'm thinking, man, that was like the speed of lightning, Dasher. Now, look at your kids already. I remember when they're little babies, y'all were having kids, but now I'm looking at your little group over there, you know.

I mean, they're there, they're already, you know, making plans for college. You know what I'm saying? Or whatever. Yeah, let's take a quick break. Yeah, it happened fast. I got one that's about to grow. graduated high school and then we got the newborn baby which Kay you got to see oh she's precious precious so we're starting we're we're having another one so we can keep the thing going but it

does move fast it does something just yesterday is down there running at y'all's house where we because y'all lived up on the hill and granny's house which is now gone she was at the bottom of the hill and there was a like a concrete pathway yeah which was the that's where you got abused that's where That's where Jayce did all of his fighting, beating. That was on that walkway, I remember it. And then below we had, you guys had a number, what is it? It was not a number two wash tub. It was like the steel.

You had a pool, but it wasn't a real pool. It was like a big metal aluminum tub that we would all, yeah. Yeah, we would all swim in. It was fun down there, though. I mean, looking back at it though, Zach, I mean, Correct me if I'm wrong, all of the children and grandchildren, I mean, all of y'all turned up to be God-fearing Christian people. I mean, to the person, I don't know of any rogue, rogue, any of them that's gone rogue yet,

everybody's married to their original wife, and y'all are all working for the kingdom. I guess maybe we ought to look at the positive side of it instead of viewing it as Wars, maybe it was just a... We're not viewing as anything. Life is a war, evidently. Yeah. When you raise four boys, you're going to have fighting because it's like a little army.

That's just the way. Remember how Jason and Willie, their biggest fight I remember was in the kitchen. It was kind of over the food, but mostly it was over who used the oven first. Jason's what it was over. It's a famous story, but you got to remember something. Me and Willie get the blame for being the leaders of the two war tribes among the cousins. But, oh, wow, was the instigator.

He was sneaky snakes. Him and Trey and whoever was the oldest, they would set these things in motion and cause all the problems because they like to watch. of course we would all get in trouble but they were the one they were the puppet masters of really all the trouble so looking at it from a big view uh Zach if you look uh we could make a pretty fair argument on the blessings that come from raising children and that kind of environment on the river bank basically just and you know and all the all the friction of coming up and being grown but now since you're adults i mean jace is you know over there he's one minute he's

on some other television show or searching for treasure or something you know then the duck dynasty thing well you look at all that and you say what came out of all that y'all i think y'all would agree was more blessings than I ever had an inkling would happen. Yeah. I mean, the blessings just were, what would you call it? You said, boy, to come from where they came from, boy, did they ever, were they ever blessed? Now, was it dog luck or was it just, all of that was just a training ground of the fear of

God and love your neighbor and do what's right because the blessings did come hugely, right? Right. Because if we say on the negative and say, well, here's the way they were fighting. Oh, you can't raise kids. You know, child rearing has never been an easy task. That's hard. That's hard what you think, Kay. I'm looking at child.

Well, I can tell you, if I can tell you, I remember well, too, that when I was raised, my kids, I thought they were so funny. Yeah. And I would say, I really said this out loud. I said, we should be on a TV show. We are so funny. You prophesied it. I did.

You know I've done that before. But I really said that. Well, you know, I think the thing that was interesting about the raising was in our family, and this is not normal, by the way, Phil, to your point earlier. We weren't normal, but the, but it was the kids. the family was never centered on the kids. In fact, it was like, we looked up, like, it was like a rite of passage. If you could get, once you got to sit down at the domino table or the spade,

you got to be involved in the spades game, I mean, whatever it was, once you, that was like a right of passage. And I think that now a lot of families in our country and our society is so focused. They built, we build families around kids. think that's very dangerous because it robs these kids of personality. I think the one of the reasons why all of us have strong personalities, because we were down there basically the reenacting what you guys were doing, of course, y'all weren't fighting quite like we were,

but we were figuring it out, you know, and I think that we all learned a bunch, you know. Yeah. Well, I think the difference is we were out in a place where you learn how to live off the land and those types of skill sets and all these problems, had the difference was now most most kids just get on a computer and it's kind of a fantasy land existence and it's not necessarily what's going on it's how it's portrayed with images and pictures and instagram so at least that was a lot of conflict but you know it was dealt with yeah i mean one way or another, you kind of learned how to get along and deal with...

If it got out of hand, I'd walk through with a belt. Oh, yeah. I mean, you... You know, I pretty well said, if it got out of hand and blood began to flow. Well, blood was flowing. I would come in and I would write this wrong pretty quick. But I will say, I'll enjoy, J. Satoog and Willie, they've been. all told me at a certain time, you know, kind of giving me a thank you for being raised the way they were. They said, you know, since we have our own children, we get it now.

So it just passed on whatever structure you have within a family. It's passed down from the elderly. You know, you read the family groups in the Bible. It was a very prestigious thing on the, what do they call it, what kind of system they call it. The old patriarch system. The patriarch system, in my opinion, from observing all of y'all and your children, it works better than any other. The patriarchal system.

You know, the great-grandparents, the great-great-grandparents, then just the grandparents, and then the children, if it's all handed down and passed up, we did a pretty good job at that overall, I think. Y'all all turned out.

Everybody's a Christian. Everybody has a faith in God. I mean, you know, and it wasn't forced on them. We just, it's just the way it was. I had, that was, y'all were in close. Jase was in my unrepentant days. And then the repentance days came, you know. You know, we began to plant the seed that we've been looking at in the book of Matthew.

You know, we pretty well were doing the, work of God within all of that was going on, you know. But what y'all are saying is, I would say child rearing, it's normal to have clashes among your siblings. It's a sin-cursed world. And when people, you know, get about 13 or 14, well, all these, the sin comes into the picture and what kind of structures in place, it's critical for how that is dealt with and how that's going to come about on what kind of man or woman you're going to be

when you finally get old enough to be part of society. Well, a lot of, too, a lot of the problem, when I brought up the older cousins. Hold on one second, Jase. Let's take a quick break before you go into that. Al went through that patch where, you know, he just wasn't a believer. Well, it was a few years, not a few days. That's right. And so really that wasn't a result.

I mean, it was a result of y'all. you know, coming to Jesus and then being bumpy and he's older. And so, you know, a lot of his rebellion was the results of that was him, like, setting up all this conflict among the cousin, which in the grand scheme of things was just a byproduct of, you know, y'all trying to get your lives right. and which eventually it was a happy ending because, you know, he comes back almost like a prodigal son. But I just hated being the kind of the pawn and that him, him trying to figure out the right way to get. By the way, how did we all end up, Zach?

And everything that's done start with birthdays, weddings, you know, somebody got an award. So what's underneath all this, these celebrations we have, which, I mean, the Robertson family will pull off a celebration for something. I mean, it's once or twice a week. And they all come together for a lot of different. There's too many. How many, Kay, how many grandkids you got? 19, I believe. 19.

And nine more great. Nine great. Nine great. 19 yeah I'm just guessing here that's what it is you guys got so many you got so many grandkids that's I mean there's always something to celebrate I mean I guess that's what it is a year well I think we all want a good meal have fun together eating it so we think of a celebration to invent so we can all be together and do it yeah so it's all the people it's all the grandkids and the extended family then the you know the cousins and all that which but hey but you guys use that to your benefit too because

back in the old days when you had Duck Commander, when you guys were running it, what would y'all do whenever you ought to have a big Walmart order, Kay? What would you do? We'd have a big meal and invite everybody down to eat the meal, but of course you had to stay and work. Packaged duck calls. Because we thought we were getting a deal because the food was so good,

but you cook shrimps. But we got free labor. You got free labor. Yeah, we did that for about 10 years, didn't we feel? Yep. I thought it was smart until everybody figured it out. Yeah.

No, I'd come down there and work for free food right now. I think a lot of people would. A lot of those principles came from

just you're following Jesus and you're putting your faith and trusting God and you see these types of miracles he does where it's like

he was using food to bring people together. I mean, two different times he fed, you know, the 5,000. Well, you remember the family intervention

with, when Zach and And Jep kind of got, went rogue for a while, just teenagers, you know. You know what they named their self? A family intervention. They called themselves cute country cousins. The cute Christian cousins.

That's what it was. That's what they named themselves. But when we had that intervention, Willie was talking to Jep on the way he should be behaving. Jase gave his speech. This is the way you are to behave. and older brothers, and I was there, Ms. Kay was there. How? Alan was there.

And I remember vividly when Jep heard everybody's speech on the way life he is and the way it ought to be, Jeff's first, he did it with a question. He said, what took y'all so long to have this intervention? Where were you? Well, that's my point. All through this process, I mean, look, I was terrible. as a kid, but everybody knew where everybody was at, it was like not hidden.

I mean, the conflict was out there. Now, looking back on it, it's borderline miraculous that everyone survived because some of the, you know, some of these conflicts escalated. I mean, I remember that was probably a year of my life that I went to sleep because you're the most vulnerable when you're sleeping. Yep. I figured that out. And so I had all the.

these weapons at hands reach in my bed. And Lulu, that was one of the stories she told. She said, I just opened the door later. I was looking for a different place to lay down because it was too crowded in the living room. She's like, I opened that door, and all of a sudden, just things started whizzing by, bouncing off the walls. I was like, if you came into my lair while I was asleep, I threw full. first and then listened. I mean, it was just attack

and then see where you were at or who it was. And the remarkable thing, in my mind, in the midst of all that, we look up and some people from Los Angeles, California, and New York City come to visit us and say,

we want to film your family. And I'm like, I grabbed my Bible and held it up. I said, is this allowed inside the the filming and they said whatever y'all do we're going to film it. Which meant we can edit that out at any point. Yeah. So here comes the teeth. You guys are calm down quite a bit by then, right?

Well, yeah, but I mean, I don't know. We're taking a trip down memory lane here. I think the Lord had favor on us for whatever reason. But I do think there's something to be said about living in a real. real world. Yeah, and I even think, I mean,

for me, the outdoors was my happy place. I mean, I could always just go get lost in the woods. But a lot of those those skills

that I learned as a kid, I mean, I'm still doing, even in some part, you know, with the conflict, you know, Willie creates this pond

and puts all these world-class fish in it, but then they never fished. But I, But I'm living across the road. And I'm like, he's created. Yeah, he's created a place where I have to sneak over there and I have to catch them. Well, this morning, I got a...

All of them. Dan was telling me, the BK got one. I said, how big was it? It's a big buck. So this morning when I rolled in about 50 feet from where we're seated, and there was deer hanging up, you know, and... Two of the bigger bucks that I've ever seen. I mean, they were two huge bucks.

And I'm looking at my little granddaughter. She's about 14, I think, within a few days. 13. 13. 13. 13. So she's 13, but she was looking at me grinning, you know, at a grandpa. She looked at me.

She'll, Papa, I got one. I got one right here. Look at it. And I was checking out the meat that they were killing. So with all of the things that family raising and all, that the discipline required and the love you look at all that together and you see your little granddaughter at 13 they got her a big old buck this morning so her dad old stone was skinning the deer out you know so the duck blind stayed the duck blind brushing jace is still here the food regimes for

the wildlife and planting all the trees we've planted all that's just right here with us still and we're still doing the same thing. Well, it's better get the pump ready in case we need to pump some water. We got the food regime for the ducks and the deer. We got the water regime. When are we going to flood it for duck season? Then we got the duck lines, get them all brushed and patched up. But all that's still going on like it was way back.

We held on to that. So now we were blessed, so we've bought more land. So we've got a gigantic bunch of property right out there in front of us. We're on the edge of it right here. But it's amazing that the structure of it all, Jesus number one, still there, just like it always was. So waiting on duck season, that's part of our lifestyle. So that's pretty well a little insight for our listeners to say, because they're looking at it like, boy, you ought to see my family, you know, with all the things they have to deal with now, you know, the drugs and all this, you know.

So I feel pretty good about the whole thing that we have no drug addicts among the families and no one's been murdered and we're just trying to survive on planet Earth, you know. I think the Jesus move was the best one, and I think he's the one, the reason it's still working, I would say, pretty good. The life's pretty good. I will say, what about y'all? What are you saying, Ms. Kegg? Hold on, let's say a quick break.

Okay, well, I think it's wonderful, and I think we're not perfect, and we've had little fusses and things like that, because I always don't agree. Jason and I had a little problem with that when he was growing up, but we cared that, and now we're just best friends, and as I am with all my boys, I just, I'm proud of them,

and I really believe that God has blessed us and that he, you know, when we told them married for life, I think each one of them did it with that plan in mind. And I love that the way they've raised the grandkids and I just think they're special. That's me. I'm pretty proud.

How many times a week, Ms. Kay, are you working with women who are struggling with family issues and, you know, coming out of the rehabs. How many meetings do you women have every week? Could I see y'all all the time? You're getting your lesson ready and you're taking off you. I have two meetings.

And then what we try to do is I try to bring some to church on Sunday where we can go eat lunch together, which I treat them to a lunch. And then we wind up having a small group at the restaurant where we're sharing there too. Yep, yep. Well, you're doing a good work here, Miss. K.

Ms. K works, the older women work with the younger women, which is biblical to its core. The men, they work with the men. And the parable of the sewer is really where we fixed to go. And we've talked about in the last podcast. Jase, it's pretty well what we do down in here. The parable of the soil, we plant the seed, trying to get people just to bear fruit to God and do what's right, love their neighbor. So all of that's still intact. Pretty solid, I would say.

What do you say, Jay's? Yeah, I mean, you know, we've all, like Kay said, we've all made mistakes and dealt with different conflicts along the way. But part of, I think, one of the reasons that we were trained in a good way was really not on purpose as a byproduct because in an effort to share Jesus with other people and be hospitable, you had all these conflicts that were discussed. disgust on y'all's couch with various people. I'm talking about drugs and alcohol and a husband-wife situations and fighting and cheating on each other and different things.

Well, you're, as a kid, you know, you're coming up and you're hearing all these things. It was something that you didn't really take a class for, but it made you a little bit street smart about relationships because you're hearing about all these conflicts, which y'all didn't really have a sensor or a filter about any subject. I mean, you know, the first birds and bees talk I had, I'm seven, eight years old, but, you know, the things being discussed on the couch, I was like, what in the world are they talking about? Well, it was definitely a rated R. So I get up at school, you know, talking about some of the things I heard,

and, you know, next thing you know, I'm in the principal's office. So then I come back down here and ask the question, and then it was like, sit down here and let me explain this to you. But, I mean, I was like terrified. I thought, I'm not sure what all this is, but it all sounds really bad. Well, let's be fair though. Phil had a knack for being blunt.

Very blunt. Almost, no, almost. He was shockingly blunt. Yes. And so if you, I'd always have to, warm people before I take it down there. I said, look, here's this going to happen. First of all, my uncle is very blind, and you need to be prepared.

He will share Jesus with you, so I'm just going to tell you in advance. But he cuts through the round. You know, he'll say, well, we don't have time to get to know each other and all that kind of stuff. We got to get right here to the chase, and I'm going to tell you how it is in every detail. And he did. But what's funny is that you both of y'all, your marriage is pretty amazing. because the way you compliment each other, you know, you would create this hospitable atmosphere with the food.

There's something about food that brings human agency to people. Especially if it's good food. And it's always good food. It's always hot, good. Everything was excellent. And your house was comfortable because it wasn't perfectly clean, which made people feel comfortable. That's right. To come in.

And then Phil, he would come in with his ministry, you know, which was kind of this bleak. blunt ministry, but I've just seen so many people over the years that used to just shock me how they would, how they would be receptive to the gospel. And, you know, I think, I think that's a testament to kind of Yale's marriage and how God's redeemed. It's kind of crazy how far y'all come, you know. That's exactly right. And I who would have known that two teenagers get married, have to get married, and then all of a sudden you don't see all that ahead. Yeah. But see, I love when I went with Phil one of my favorite things

was they had, see, because it was me, my sister was much older. And then so I love that they had all those kids. I loved all his brothers and sisters. Of course, I felt like Si was my real brother. And, you know,

I love that atmosphere. So we had it, even with that, we had four kids, but kind of spread out. But then we had everybody else's kids there. too all the time one time a new preacher came to our church and he wanted to meet us and he came down he couldn't walk through my living room because there were so many teenage boys on the floor sleeping and he said do you know all these and i said i don't know any of them they're new they just

brought them home like boys bring home a dog they brought home teenagers a family of gatherers yeah that's interesting well i think something cool too that about you the about you Phil, you were mentioning all the hunting. I think there's something to see in that much, you said meat. And, I mean, when we would come down there to visit, you know, there was just always dead animals everywhere. I mean, there was fish. I mean, there was deer. I mean, there was always dead animals.

And you think, man, how morbid it actually teaches you. I mean, you kind of realize that how short. this thing is when you're constantly seeing that over and over. I think there's something biblical there that, you know, and you guys are obviously harvesting it for the food, but I mean, there's something in that, that circle of life and that consumption of that.

But, I mean, I've never seen more dead animals anywhere in my life than at y'all's place. They were everywhere. Which is kind of how we were raised. You got to kill it if you're going to grill it. Which is why I, you know, eat out 1% of the time now because it just,

it's not as good as doing it yourself. It's just better. And you know what, Jay's y'all still do that. I don't know if you remember this story, but when Phil, the last two books he wrote, when we hired an agent, good guy, he's a Christian book agent, came in as from California, Southern California. So he comes in to the house and to meet Phil for the first time. And we're going to the book and what it's going to be like.

And, I mean, they're like lost in conversation. You know, Phil's kind of sharing his vision with all the past. and he could muster. And all the sudden, Jace bust through the front door with his hands under the gills of about a 20-pound opulosa catfish. And it's still moving, but there's skin,

there's no skin on it, but it's still moving. And Jase is like, I got lunch, I got lunch. And Bill says, he gets up and doesn't say a word to Ceeley. He doesn't say anything.

Hey, I'll be back at us. Just gets up, grabs the, give me the butcher, and then, and within 15. minutes the fish is in the friar and within 25 minutes we're eating the fish and

Seeley's looking at it like this guy from Southern California like what in the world just happened but he got the witness kind of everything we're talking about here he had never seen that before let's take one more break yeah I don't think Sealy knew what he was getting into Southern California but but it was I mean Opelissa catfish is one of the best things you guys make that's exactly right Well, share with God's people who are in need, practice hospitality, bless those who persecute you, bless and don't curse, rejoice with those who rejoice, mourn with those who mourn, live in harmony with one another, don't be proud, be willing to associate with people of low position, don't be conceded, don't repay evil for evil, be careful to do what's right in the eyes of everybody. If it's possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Don't take revenge.

Leave room for God's wrath. You know, you read that Romans 12, Jace. I think we've practiced that. Yeah, I thought about where we're at in Matthew. You know, in Matthew 12 and 13, you kind of see the beginning of God's plan in action at that stage. age of Jesus's, you know, ministry. And how he equated, say, your mother and your brother's out there. Well, that's what I thought.

And, you know, just a lot of people, they don't even deal with that, what is the, Matthew 12, 40. It just seems like, well, what do you mean? You got to put your family first. But I think when Jesus said that, well, you know, I'm not going to go out there and talk to my brothers because they wanted to talk to him. He said, whoever does the will of my father. that's who my brothers and sisters and fathers.

So I do think there was a theme and all that, which was y'all's conversion to Jesus. And in an effort to kind of start over, you know, you move out here to the woods and reboot. Yep. But there was always a common theme, no matter all the conflict and the bumpiness of everything and the mistakes that were made,

there was a theme that we're going to do this, God's way. And so, I mean, looking back on it, I was kind of thankful that we were poor and had to hang out with the, you know, befriend the people who were also bullied at school or whatever. I was thankful for that because it made me value, you know, other people. And really, the only reason we were, no, bullied or made fun of is just because we were poor. Which is, you know, you don't hear about that in our culture. Now, everybody's so sensitive. but, you know, it makes you tough, but it also makes you seek out other people who you think are being ridiculed just based on circumstances not at the moment in and of themselves. But I think this is, you know, the real world, and I think as long as you're looking at it from God's view and this idea of being part of a forever family, I think that's what gives you the perseverance and the patience.

to survive. Yeah, I do, too. Well, I look back at those memories growing up as some of the best memories. Things were more simple. You know, maybe that's nostalgia. We hit that word a few weeks ago. But, yeah, it was. It was like, but I think coming down there to y'all's place and just being out in the middle of nowhere,

I mean, for a time period, you drive out there for, now the road's paved all the way to the highway, but there was a time period when that was rocks, dirt, and then rocks and then pavement. And it was about a 30, 40 minute drive to church. I remember in the back of that station wagon, you know, used to have. Remember that? It looked like the one on vacation, that movie. That's exactly right. And we filled it to the brim.

Didn't we feel? We did. We even drove all the way down to Pineville and Alexander, which is an hour away from us. Yeah. because Phil had brought some people to Christ and actually one of the boys, Kurt Ryder was his name. And he said, I want to start it like you feel, House Church and everything. And actually he did that. And he taught many, many people from that our visit down there once a week all piled in that station wagon.

We had to take up money for gas. But it was so good because that got that whole. whole church started down there. What did you all call them? Like soul talks or what was it called? Bible talks, soul talks. And then we had house church at our house for 20 years on Sunday night. Yep.

And I mean, Jason, you remember when you had me going and getting people all over town because Jason would wait outside the grocery store and invite them to our house church. And then he would say, my mama's going to come get you. And then he sent me in places, I don't know if I ever should be in there, driving but I did it and God protected me and we had souls. Well it's kind of cool to see where you are right now and the cool thing

is now we've been had the opportunity to do a movie on the first 28 years of y'all's life kind of the, it's really kind of the y'all's immediate, it was the family story. It goes back even you know the days of Granny and Paul and

I'm anxious to do that to get that done. I'll be in Louisiana next week on like a scouting trip. We're going to go back to Vivian and all the area, Ida, where your family's grocery store is still there. We're going to do some scouting for the film. So it's going to be kind of an emotional week next week because I'll get to see kind of the old stomping grounds of where we started. Where it all started. And then we're hopefully going to capture that on film and have a really amazing story to tell. So, well, I respect you guys and glad you can join us here today,

Kay. I love it. And I, I'm glad I got to surprise Phil and Jay, she don't get to do that often. That's true. Well, that's it for today. So hopefully we'll do better next time and thank y'all for joining us. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little

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