Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 37 | Al’s Hospital Lockdown, Jase’s Domino Trash Talk, and Was Jesus God and Man?

Episode Date: December 11, 2019

Al talks about being involved in a hospital lockdown last week, Jase is a dominoes master, and Phil breaks down why Jesus was God in the flesh. See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1 To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unachanged. What about you? So dad, you and I support a really good friend of mine. He's a Liberian from Liberia, Africa. And he was, you know, grew up, not a Christian, not a believer. Civil War breaks out. He gets pushed out of Liberia with a, along a lot of other people, so they become refugees, which happens all over the world,

but especially in Africa, and gets pushed into Ghana. And so there in a refugee camp, he is someone converts him to Christ. He and his family, he and his wife. So he's so, you know, he's so excited. He's like, I want to spend my life doing what somebody did for me, you know, kind of like we've done, like you did. Isaac? Yeah, this Isaac. And so he goes.

to Bible College there in Ghana, the Ghana Bible College, winds up being a missionary for four different African countries. But he can never go back to Liberia because they had a civil war that went on for 16 years. I mean, which I've been there twice and about to go again.

And it's just, you know, it just shows you we talk a lot about the evil of mankind, but I mean, this country has nothing like their infrastructure is completely destroyed. So I was thinking, why would you be having a civil war over nothing? Like you literally have nothing to fight. I'm the power over the trash heap, you know, is kind of the mindset.

But anyway, he's always wanted to go back. So he finally was able to when the Civil War ended. And so you and I, you and Mom and Lisa and others, not just us, but we've kind of been primary. He started a school there where basically they trained people how to preach. And then they also train them how to do agriculture. So the idea is you plant a church, you start a farm, and you're able to support yourself and support the church.

So it's a great idea. And it's a good draw because, look, it's tough times in Africa. Oh, yeah. And if you can, you know, teach someone the farming, you get to food. Food, you know, even Jesus himself when he fed to 5,000, you use those things as a draw.

Well, and they're also training these, they've got a whole other little thing that's cropped up in the school where they're training women how to sew so that they can have a business. Because what happened is when the country just gets ravaged, a lot of the women turned apart. prostitution was the only way they could feed themselves and some of them have children so they get

into that lifestyle you know so it's awful so he's training them again it's you're right it's kind of building infrastructure teaching about entrepreneurism yeah and have it's the same pro yeah missy and i support uh one of these missions where they dig the water wells you know and i mean we take for granted fresh water fresh water you're in a country where you can't find it that you're not going to live long So our good friend, Isaac, he comes over about once a year, and he does some fundraising. And usually I bring him out here and dad feeds him some catfish or, you know, steak or something.

You know, so anyway, we've known a long time, good guy. So he's having some health problems. So he sends me a note. And he's like, he calls me a Pastor Allen. He said, Pastor Allen, Pastor Allen, I'm so sick, you know, he has these autoimmune issues. And so he's, you know, he's like, I'm so sick, I need to come to the United States and get help. And I'm like, when do you want to come?

He said as soon as possible. He was in the hospital in Liberia. And so I totally said. It's kind of a scary thought. I don't know. It may be a great hospital. Well, no, I wouldn't want to go there. Although the guy who was treating him was American trained, which is interesting.

He's a Liberian, but he got trained in America. So he told him, he said, you need to get to the states and see a rheumatologist because they deal with this. He's got like arthritis real bad, you know, the rheumatoid arthritis. So anyway, I said, well, yeah. I mean, we'll get you. So we got him a flight. So he left six hours later. He's on his way to hear, which, you know, our area is not necessarily known for our medicine.

Compared to Africa? But compared to Africa, we're pretty good. You know, we got it going on. So anyway, he comes in. He gets in on Saturday night. Lisa picks him up because I already had something going on. She picks him up the airport. He looks terrible.

His eyes are bloodshy. But he has been traveling 24 hours. So we're not sure if it was that. Obviously, he's sick. And so he's staying at Mike Keller. it's a good friend of ours. And so we went by Sunday morning to check on him on our way to church. We're just going to check on him because we hadn't, you know,

seen him since the night before. And when I walk in, he's like in tears. He's like, Pastor Allen, you know, if I don't make it, you know, will you take care of my family? We make sure my ministry keeps going, you know. I mean, he's crying as he's telling me this. And I've never seen him like this. I mean, he's one of the most, the boldest, you know, guy you've ever met.

So, I mean, it took me a back. I thought, man, he's, he's thinking, I'm dying. here. You know, this is bad. He feels terrible. So I just told Lisa, say, look, let's just load him up. Let's go out to. We have a, it's in the charity hospital system. Louisiana, they privatized it. So Oshner's, which is a big hospital chain in New Orleans, they've taken over. So we load him up there. I know they'll take him. In other words, it wouldn't be this turning away at the door. I know they'll treat him. But we go in, and I wasn't with him because I was parking the car, but apparently when they did the intake, with whoever they talked to.

I don't know how they communicate. Of course, Isaac, you know, he's got a strong accent. He's from Africa. But somehow they took us coming in there as a potential infectious disease threat, which I wouldn't have known what that meant. Probably because Liberia is probably on a list somewhere. Well, Ebola was a big deal a few years ago.

They're better now. I think I've seen somewhere there's like, if you're from certain countries and you come over here and you're sick, you're fixed to be quarantined. All right. So you're right. And I should have thought about that. But, you know, what's happened is Isaac comes here a lot. So, like, we've treated him for other things here. So I know he doesn't have Ebola. Or at least I think I know. He doesn't have anything infectious. So I'm not even thinking in those terms. But I found out quickly, you need to think in those terms. Because if you tell somebody, somebody just got here from Africa last night, and we're at, and he's sick and he's sick yeah so that triggered a protocol which means lockdown so they locked

down the ER you locked down too I was locked down too because Lisa and I are in a 100 square foot room with Isaac there's a table and one chair and so Lisa's in the chair Isaac's on the table I'm sitting on the floor and we're in there about an hour and but nobody's come in there I keep thinking well I mean, and I can hear through the door, there's a lot of ruckus and a lot of things happening, which now I know what it was. So I got to go, you know, to the restroom. You know, we're an hour and a half at my age, you know, that's what we've reached our limit. So I open the door, there's two doors, one where the nurses are,

and then another door where we came in. I opened the door, there's a table blocking the door, big table. There's a handwritten note on top. It's that do not enter or exit. That means you can't go in. Right. Or out, which was a bigger. But if you can't go in. That's locked down. But if you can't go in, why would they say don't come out?

Well, because they didn't want us going out and they don't want anybody who's coming in. There wasn't a person standing there. So I guess they were just saying, don't go in here. If you didn't go in, you couldn't come out. I was already in. I'm saying. This is getting weird. That was for my better. I guess. They don't want our going anywhere.

Right. So I shut the door and I go punch. There's a call button. and she's called a couple of times, but I can tell there's a panic going on, but nobody's told us what's going on up. You've been cast out. It's like, hey, they used to do this in biblical times when you had leprosy.

That's right. That's what I felt like. But look, as I've gotten older, I'm a little bit claustrophobic. So this hundred square feet is shrinking in on me, and I got a pee, which is making it shrink in even more. You know, I'm in trouble here.

So I punched the button, and she said, and finally somebody comes on there, and I said, I just tried to leave. There's a table block in the door, so I'm assuming there's something going on. She said, well, yeah, we're trying to work things out. You know, they were just kind of put it on. I said, well, look, can you, like, slide a mask underneath? And just because I really have to go to the bathroom.

I mean, I'm hurting here. So she said, hang on, let me check. So five minutes later, the door cracks open. The first time, but we've seen no activity, it cracks open just maybe six inches wide and a gloved hand comes in with a plastic urinal and drops, and then the door closes quickly behind it. And I heard her as she was walking away and say, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.

So I looked down, I picked up that plastic urinal bottle, and I looked at Isaac, you know, my good friend and Lisa, I said, this is fixing to get personal. What you call that, Al, is that when you saw the gloved hand have a man for himself. That's exactly right. And so I said, This is a business gets a serious personal family time here. This is fixing to happen.

And it did. And then about 30 or 40 minutes later, they started asking all these questions, you know, what's our relationship with Isaac? We slipped our licenses under the door, you know. And I hear them outside. They're like in full panic, you know. They're locking us down. And then I started getting worried.

I thought, I'm not getting out of here. Like because we got out of the plane to catch in, you know, two and a half hours. And I'm thinking, well, forget about that. So I start texting like, we're not making the next thing. We're not going to be there. I have found myself in a serious situation. Well, I didn't want to upset Isaac. He already felt bad. So I'm texting Lisa in the room. I'm texting her and saying, I'm going crazy here. I'm thinking about just running out of here. Like, I was having thoughts of. Can you wind up in jail? That's right. And it was fixing to happen because I was like, I'm feeling like panicked. And so finally,

after two and a half hours a doctor and a nurse come in and their hazmatid they're fully covered speaking through the deal and they're gloved up but I knew as soon as they like What was wrong with the man? Well here's the thing

so I knew as soon as they talked to him and examined him they'd realize he didn't so they're like do you have diarrhea and nose it? No I don't have any of that and well what is it and so then he describes what he has which is rheumato arthritis and you know he's got these joint issues and all they

And he said, so how long have you showed this? He said two years. So finally it was funny. So I'm listening to them. I'm asking them to ask the questions. And I'm watching them kind of relax. And finally the doctor says, well, you don't have an infectious disease. You've had this for a long time.

You're just, and I was, you know, I wanted to just say, ah. You know. I think y'all missed some sort of protocol there. It was bad. So that, so finally the nurse comes back in without a mask. I thought, okay, this is getting better. Then the big head Poonbaugh comes in. He said, I'm the chief of medicine.

I was a little. Because, I mean, I guess they call. in all the big guns. So he meets Isaac. He has gloves on. He takes his glove off and shakes Isaac's and I was like, we're clear. Then I knew in that moment. It was funny, Isaac, who's this great guy, Isaac said, oh, thank you. I thank you for taking this risk, you know. You can't have faith without risk. That's what he tells. They got on. I don't know. I was like, Isaac, Isaac, man, we're free. Don't, don't. Yeah. Anyway, we get out. I said, well, after a few more minutes, I got 30 minutes to get to the airport. And I said, can we leave? And they're like, yeah. So we left and we tag team

to Kellett. But you know, I thought about that and people said, well, you're an idiot. In fact, I heard somebody on the other side of the door said, this is why you don't go to Africa. You know, I could hear them because they're upset, you know, because their lives were messed up for this day. And I get it. I mean, I don't blame the hospital. They were doing what they should have been doing just in case. But I thought to myself, if we had been outside and not inside with Isaac. We would have been fearful for him. And to be honest with you, it all worked out, but I would rather be in the room with the guy that I love and trust, and I'm a partner in the gospel with, than been outside, wonder about what was happening with him. So I knew then, I was

like, that's what true brothers are about. This guy's from halfway around the world. I've had that conversation with Missy so many of that, because she's been a world traveler. And we both have gone on mission trips, but she's gone in some places. And I'm like, babe, what are you doing but she's always come back with the right answer which was well either we're going to believe god's in control or not that's right i'm going to help these people especially when there's kids involved and it's an orphanage i'm like you know one time i did send two navy seals with her as because i was like it's never met have a navy seal i'm going i'm going to trust god and a couple navy seals or you're not going she's like well that's fine if it'll make you feel

better. But there's part of me that likes that courageous spirit. I mean, her heart's right. She's helping people, which, by the way, I mean, a couple nights ago, I found myself in the ER with her. I mean, she was trying to close a door with her foot. And something on the bottom of the door, which was obviously sharp, she slipped and she tried to shut the door.

Her hands were full, and it punctured her leg right in the ankle area. So she calls me and she was like, and she was with Lisa, your wife, by the way. She's like, I'm at the ER. I cut my foot. You know, and I thought, why are you at the ER if you cut your foot? Well, by the time I got there, they let me in and they were doing the procedure. And so when I walked in, they're like, oh, you're here. And I looked at her and she kind of had that look on her face like, this is worse than you think.

And I mean, I looked down in her leg. I was like, well, there's the inside of your leg. I see the bone. I mean, it was a... You can see bone, fat. I mean, it was a deep cut. It was a vicious cut. And they stitched it from the...

It was an interesting process, you know. They had it peeled back. And I was like, how is this not hurting but they had dend it? But it's amazing. You don't take for granted what you have here in this country. I would get another door. Get another door. Change doors.

Oh, yeah. Well, you know what I said? This was probably not the best thing to say. You know, raise it. or sharp whatever on the bottom of the door. I'm like, okay, let's get rid of that door and just go with just a wood door. Well, everybody that knows my wife will appreciate this. I said, it sounds like to me that door is dangerous.

And she said, look, she said, you think. Well, that's what I was saying about. Thank you, Captain of this. I think I get a new door. I think that's right. Fix the door. I'm just trying to figure out what type of projected piece of mouth

that would slice your leg all the way to the bone on the bottom of a door? It looked like, you know what? This is horrible to say, but you know when you shoot a duck at really close range

and the pellets don't have enough time to expand? It leaves like, I don't know what, you know, it's just like a puncture. I mean, the duck is dead immediately. And that's what it looked like because the woman said, are you scared of the sight of blood?

And I was like, no. And so then when I looked down, I thought, I see why she asked me that question. I mean, it was just, it was the human, it was the inside of it. They had, most of her leg was peeled back. And I was like, how are you going to fix that? But they did.

I mean, it took, I'd say 30 minutes to stitch it up. They stitched it inside. Inside and they just kept going up building the stitches inside, dissolve. And then the ones on outside, I think it was a dozen. Never heard of that. Well, and Lisa's had pictures of it, and she was showing around it about the house. She could start over to me.

I said, uh, uh, uh, no. Oh, that bothers you? Well, yeah, I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't. You know, I didn't know how it feels. I don't mind a deer or a duck or something, but when it's a human being, I just don't. You know, when we had our second kid cold, they did a C-section, and when I, because I was late, because I was duck hunting. I mean, you know, I wasn't thinking back then that if you have a kid during duck season, there's some potential issues there.

Well, I was duck hunting, and we didn't know the time. All of a sudden, bam. So I get up there in like 25 minutes with Kay. But when I walked in, they literally had already started. And they just had the hood up, you know, over a belly. And I'm just looking down in all the organs. And I was like, I can't believe we can do this, you know. But it didn't bother me at all.

I was making a few jokes, you know. And they said, look, you're going to have to quit. make the doctor who was a woman she said you need to quit being funny and I thought what is this woman don't have a sense he can do but she says the gyration I have a blade here the gyration gyrations of her body because missy was laughing you know and I was like oh okay it was dangerous to be well I guess I wasn't trying to be funny but the things I was saying I guess missy was nervous I mean I would be nervous if it was so shut out in the comments Yeah. As dad would say, is there night life's over? Well, we got a few, we got a few questions

from, and by the way, thanks for all the questions you guys are sending in. Keep them coming because we like to answer something along. You guys are really thinking, and I love it. Here was one, this is from Carolyn Jacobs. And we get this a lot. So Jay's, I wanted to ask this. This is more directed at you, I think. I haven't seen these questions by the long. So she says, why do you guys and by that she means you and Willie not me address your parents by their name

rather than mom and dad then she said please answer as it bugs me to no end so it's really bugging all the time when I go around and do events y'all do a certain amount event this is the number one question because I think in the South

they deem it as disrespectful right that's what she's saying if you uh if you use your parents first name. I do not know the exact answer. I have a couple of theories. I think one is our house was a place of business when we were coming up and we got into the habit of, you know, we had, remember we, we were big time and when we got two lines, you know, on a phone that was attached to the wall. We had a line one and line two and you would say, you know, feel line one. I mean, because you wouldn't say,

hang on, let me get my mom. It just didn't. We were trying to be professional. You and Willie didn't start that until you were adults. You didn't, there's kids you didn't call him Philling Kay, did you? I think I did. Did you? Yeah, I've always called Phel and Kay.

Weird. Well, to alleviate the woman's, I mean, I hate to tell you that I never remember saying, hey, dad. It just seems so weird. Jepp and I've always called a mom and dad. To alleviate the woman's fears, at no time, not one, did the two that call me Phil, or call Ms. Kay, Ms. Kay.

Only two of us did that? You and me, me and Jeff didn't do that. The oldest one and the youngest one call me dad. The two in the middle call me Phil. Someone says, well, did they ever bow up and show any kind of disrespect to you toward anything? Heck no. Not once. I mean, this was like never. So, you know, you never took it as disrespect. It never, it didn't occur to it. Well, trust me. This woman wrote this. I've been asked it before. I said,

you'd like to talk to the guys you do that. I mean, they're all godly men. They're godly men. We had a list of, there was like three rules in our childhood. One of them was you don't disrespect either one of us. Right, but especially mom was who you stressed. Because he knew we probably were not good. Now look, one of those rules, I absolutely disagree with. The don't tear up equipment. Perfectly good. Because we were poor, and the only equipment we had was from China.

It was not well made. And I thought, why am I getting persecuted and suffering? Because somebody made a piece of junk that tore up. But anyway, most individuals, whatever their name is, I never call them by that name. I'll come up with a nickname. And I'll call them the nickname, and some of them carry that nickname the rest of their life. There are a lot of people.

And people aren't disrespected by it. I never viewed it as, I mean, I call him Phil. I call Mom Kay. But I would say I feel pretty good about saying that I made a lot of mistakes as a kid, but I never disrespected y'all in any way. But I think you're right about the genesis of it being the business, because I will say even now, the times when I don't call dad. dad when I call him Phil is usually when we're doing something business.

Like we're in New York and they're like, we'll Phil do this. I was like, so I may say, well, Phil will do this. Phil will do that. He'll do this interview. He's not going to do that. So in a more of a business environment, you tend to do that. Well, and I think just we played so many domino games when my grandparents lived here. And there was always so many guests and everybody just said Phil and Kay, it just seemed like we were kind of friends.

I know you're not supposed to be, you know, friends. with your kids. I mean, that's a dangerous thing to go down. You got to provide some leadership at some point, you know. But it's okay to be friends if you have the big stuff. And it kind of felt that way. We were like hunting partners and he treated me with respect. And I don't know.

We just, that's what we call them. I've said this before. I don't think I've said it on the podcast that talking about parenting. One of the things I really appreciate about my mom and dad, especially dad, was that he, the way he describes and now he had three basic rules, and that's right. One of the things I like about Dad, there's a verse in Ephesians 6, 4, I think,

that says fathers do not exasperate your children. And I thought about, dad never exasperated us, as, you know, especially once he was a Christian, but because we knew, we knew what the rules were. That was a few, the early years were, more challenging. I mean, I was exasperated,

but that was more him outside of Christ, and I'm a little kid. But I like that. Anger management issues that he had earlier. Because I did get a couple butt-whoopens that I was nowhere around. What happened? Those are called neighborhood punishment. You were in the neighborhood of punishment.

And I would run away and nobody would notice. I would come back and that even, that was exasperating. I'm like, I just ran away for like 14 hours. But you and I both seen, unfortunately, super overbearing parents, either a mom or a dad, and what that does to children. And I think it's what that verse is talking about. In other words, a rule about everything and making big deals out of not big deal.

Like, there's a way to just kind of keep it on the idea. Here's the big things. Here's where I want you to be. And without having to get into the constantly own somebody's case 24-7, I mean, it doesn't produce a situation. My number one answer to that question is the reason we did that is, because they never said not to. If we'd have done it the first time,

and he said, don't call me, Phil. And he's like, hey, boy, don't call me Phil. Well, you know what? I would have never called him Phil again. That's right. And so they never stopped it. Because I do remember there was one time I had a respect conversation. And this was, I was kind of an innocent bystander

because part of Planned Domino's, the reason I brought that up was trash talk. And I developed to be quite the trash talker in life in any kind of competition. because when we played, you know, my grandparents would literally, the first time my wife saw them play Dominoes, I mean, she pulled me outside and thought, you know, who do we need to call? And I was like, do we know a good counselor?

What do you mean? She was like, I mean, I'm really fearful that someone's going to get hurt. And I was like, oh, no, that's part of the game. She was like part of the game. What are you talking about? I mean, they're insulting each other. But I remember our uncles, how they were. I mean, you talk about dad.

brothers. And even like some of my uncle, they'd drop a four-letter word or two. And it was like, it's okay as long as it's inside of a domino game. And I'm like, oh, really? I didn't know that. And they're like, yeah. Now, you strap somebody with the fives and that final lockup and you clip them for 25 or 30, whatever it is.

And you slam the dom. They would break the dominoes. Oh, I broke my hand. I've broken my thumb. And Jason and I were the only young, out of all the cousins. There were 20 plus cousins. Jason and I were the only ones that allowed to play with the adults because of our skill level. At Westmoreville High School, one day when I had to be there and the coaches were playing Dominoes,

and there was seven of them. You know, you got to have eight or have two games. And it was kind of a winner bracket. And one of them said, hey, you play Domino, y'all play Dominole down there? I was like, yeah, I know a little bit about it. I mean, I sat down there, you know. And the firsthand, I pick up five fives, baited one of the, my opponent to turn the five up and he did.

And so I literally jumped up on top of the table and played three times in a row. And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And so it's something I've seen a thousand times. I'd take a dominole back and say, can you play? Can you play? That's what I thought. Bam. So throughout the rest of that year.

They were stunned. Stun. Look, and I trash talked so much that at random times of the year it would say, would you send james robertson to the gymnasium you know i was like what do they want me for and i go there and they're like hey we got you out there you ready for a game of dominoes i'm like okay excuse the absence it you know but i remember phil telling me one time he's like one time about my grandpa he's like i understand the game but you're taking it a little too far with the trash talking with your grandpa and so he i do i don't know if you remember that

conversation because you were like i'll tear your butt up if you take it any further so I thought oh maybe I'm taking this too far I mean it was inside the domino game but who knows what I was saying well you and I walked a little bit you know tighter rope because we had to be respectable they could just trash us bad and I that's right I've left in tears before because I couldn't say what I wanted to say but because they were my uncles or granted well maybe those answers alleviated the woman's fears oh why two of my son she may be thinking you know you're listening redneck you don't know what to do what they think it up neck that's right i don't know but that they're covered in my mind well yeah no one was ever disrespectful to me none of you boys which which helps

that's exactly right um so thank you caroline for for sending that question i hope that that help to be so you don't have to be bugged anymore now you know the whole story here's a good question uh which kind of goes in line with what we've been talking about uh this is she said it's why i say she it's a it's a i guess it's a twitter or something about a glory two big be. But anyway, it says, I have a doctrinal question. It said, do you believe that Jesus wasn't just a man, but he was slash is man and God? Is he God in the flesh? I have a perfect verse for that off the top of my head, I think.

So I think it's Romans 9.5. I mean, look. Give her yours and I'll give her a few. Okay. I want to say this one statement, though. I think some of the more interesting things that you'll discover by reading the entire Bible about why Jesus became a man. I love, you know, Philippians too.

He humbled himself, became obedient, taking the merry nature of a servant. But one of the concepts that gives me the most hope is I know that he became a man so he can die. Because God can't die. And that fundamental aspect of God in that he is life, so you think about the plan that was set in motion, that's been our whole podcast about going through this whole scheme of redemption. So I get that to say that. But there's a verse, because I've had this same question in Bible studies.

They're like, for some reason, people don't want to believe that God in Jesus. Yeah, is, and I always say the same thing. He's 100% of man and 100% God. The reason we have problems relating to that is because we're just a person. We're just man. I have the same. If you can get how God exists in this little finite brain, you're doing something wrong. I mean, we can just try.

But if you just wanted a verse that just slam dunk says that's what he is, Romans 9-5 says, and you can read the whole. the first five verses for the context, whoever asked this question. But he gets down to verse five, it says, there's are the patriarchs, and from them is traced

the human ancestry of Christ, which is why you have the genealogies in two of the books. You can trace that he was a human, because that's how we know we're a human. You'd follow the tree. But then it says,

who is God overall forever praised? So if you just wanted a verse that said, how do I know that he's 100% while he traces human ancestry? And then Paul via the Holy Spirit said, and oh, by the way, he is God overall. So I'll add to that. Who is this?

Who am I talking about? We don't know. Glory to be. Glory to be. Glory to be. Whoever you are. I don't know why I thought was a woman. Matthew chapter one, after the genealogy of Christ,

is given again. You can read about that first. This is how, verse 18, the birth, you say, let's see, human beings are born. This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about? Because you ask, is he a man, is he God? His mother, Mary, well, I know he has a human mother, and her name is Mary, because I just read it to you, was pledged to be married to Joseph. But before they came together, before they had sex,

she was found to be with child. We're talking human being here. Through the Holy Spirit, God's involved in it because there was no sex involved. It's a virgin birth. Because Joseph, her husband, was a righteous man, did not want exposure to public disgrace. He had in mind to divorce her quietly.

but after he had considered this because he thought she's been up to no good an angel of the lord appeared to him in a dream and said joe the son of david do not be afraid to take mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the holy spirit she will give birth she's a human mother to a son here's a child a human child and you are to give him the name jesus and by the way, it's got a little asterisk there. Jesus is agreeing for Joshua, Joshua. So look, because he will save his people from his sins, this took place to fulfill what the Lord had already said 700 years earlier.

The Virgin, hard to do this. In fact, it's impossible. The Virgin will be with child, will give birth to a son, they will call him Emmanuel, which means God with us. Take that, jump from there and that, jump to Hebrews. Jump to Hebrews about verse 2, Hebrews 2, 14, read this one, added to it, since the children have flesh and blood, humans. He, Jesus, too, He, Jesus.

two shared in their humanity. Which would make you a man. That's it. Humans. So that by his death, he might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is the devil. Which is my point about why he became a man so he could die. Right.

And free those who all their lives were held enslaved by their fear of death. It's not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants, the human race. Hold on to that. And this is a little more scary, these last two, but you better get it on straight there, whoever you are. Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

I wonder what they're saying. It's the issue you just ask about. This is how you can recognize the spirit of God. Now listen to this, how all-encompassing this is. Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. That's quite the statement. You say, I had better believe that Jesus is both God and man.

God in flesh. Hold on to that. Now watch. second that's first john that's chapter four one two and three in second john john says again many deceivers this is second john seven little bitty books toward the end of your bible many deceivers who do not acknowledge jesus christ as coming in the flesh god becoming flesh have gone out to the world. That same John when he wrote the gospel, John 1-1, it says, in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God. This is a long time from when he was born of a virgin,

but he was there. Verse 14 in John chapter 1 said, and the word who was with God in the beginning, through whom the cosmos was made, the word becomes flesh. John 114. Put those to together, it's more than enough of an answer to know, both God and man. To that, the reason John wrote those is because in the first century, and that's what the writers were addressing, there was a heresy or a false teaching that came about called Gnostic. And it was the Greek word, Gnostic. And the idea was, is these Greeks had learned in their minds that they had been taught

by Socrates and all that, you know, Aristotle, that the flesh was. was bad. The spirit was good. In other words, your mind is good, but the flesh doesn't matter. In other words, it had no worth. So they got to thinking, well, now they're Christians, but they're like, well, wait a minute. If we're Greek Christians and we're good Gnostics, how could Christ have been in flesh? The flesh is no good. So then they began to deny the human and fleshly nature. Then they started this teaching. So these writers are addressing it. And really it comes forward even until today. I mean, people still get that idea. You'll hear him say, the flesh is weak, you know, and so the flesh is bad.

But God created us all parts. Yeah, they don't want to acknowledge that he was tempted in every way but was without sin. That's Hebrew's four. Right. He just chose not to. That's right. And he did it for us. And then I wanted to read Colossians 1.

And at verse 15 and following talks about the supremacy of Christ. He's the image of God, the first born over all creation. But he comes down to, in verse 19. it says for God was pleased and this is a really heavy verse but it says God was pleased to have all his fullness that's a mouthful dwell in him Jesus and through him Jesus to reconcile to himself all things whether things on earth or things in heaven by making peace there's blood shed on the cross once you were alienated from God you were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior which is what you're talking with the soul,

but now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body, there's the flesh, through death, which is why he became a man, to present you holy in his sight without blemish and free from accusation. The reason I'm reading that is because you've heard these people say that Jesus is the bridge to God. Well, he's the bridge because he represents the fullness of God.

I just read it. And he represents the form of God. us and by him choosing not to sin his death actually reconciled the two because in god there is no sin that's right he became the sacrifice so in essence not only are we saying yeah he was a man him becoming a man was the only way we were getting out of here because he represented us through his death on a cross as a sacrifice for our sins and he and he couldn't die unless he was a man. Well, look how he referenced himself in the Gospels. Sometimes he was the son of God. Sometimes he was the son of man. That's why I said he's 100% man and 100% God. People don't like

that statement. It makes them feel uncomfortable. But I say that understanding that I don't understand exactly how that works. That's right. Because I can't grasp it. It's too big for me. It's just like the same thing with eternity. We think we have a grasp of it. Because you start thinking about it for a little bit and you realize you can't grasp it because you always think well what if god changes his mind i mean how am i going to live a million years down the road something may happen because our finite minds can truly not grasp what it is to be eternal right we're not built that way we're not wired that way right so we just say you know what i'm going to enjoy figuring it out that's right and we tend to view flesh only through the lens of bad sin or you know

We talk about the flesh, you know, we think that's, but, you know, got to think about it from God's perspective, he created us, body, soul, and spirit. And from his perspective, what he made was good. In fact, Genesis says it was very good when he made us. And so, remember Genesis 1-26? When we talked about that and we were there, let us make man in our image. So we know then there was this, you know, more than one, you know, presence that made us. What's even in the undercard of when the fall of man happened?

I'll say undercard. I mean, Jesus is where everything revolves around. But when you see the things that happen in the sin, the consequences, what was a couple of things that happened? You had pain and childbearing as a result, and you also had the land produced thorns, which was rough on the man as far as working and laboring because he's got thorn.

But then you look, and here comes Jesus. how many thousand years later. And he came through the birth canal of a woman, which is, which was one of the, the pain that is involved there, which Mary probably experienced, was one of the,

the curses from the fall of man. Well, here comes this Jesus, who's going to cure you from the curse of sin eventually. And I thought about those thorns as one of the things they did at his crucifixion was to wear a crown of place. thorns. So even back then, Jesus becoming a man and enduring all that, in a way, and I meant

those undercard things, he actually took care of all those issues by coming to Earth, coming through the birth canal of a woman, which seems just, you know, like lunacy to the world who don't believe. They're like, you're actually telling, because think about that conversation, you read Joseph

and Mary, can you, what will we do? If my girlfriend, who I had not had sex with, comes back and said, look, I'm pregnant. Guess what? I'm gone. I talked to an angel. Yeah.

Okay. I'm so gone. No, granted, you know, he was speaking to an angel. By the way, Joseph was gone too, because remember he says in Matthew, he was quietly figuring to have a divorce. I mean, like, hey, I'm bearing my faults, though. I ain't coming back. He was doubting her story.

Until, but if an angel shows up to you, and this was just what happened to him. I mean, maybe I think, but I just would, you know, I'm saying I know my own limitations and weaknesses out. I'm not, that's why I really respect that man. I did a lesson before when you want to be a good father, be like Joseph. Because he had every reason in the world to leave and think this is ridiculous and the embarrassment that goes along with it, you know, because I'm one guy, I was like, I'm going to marry a virgin.

I'm going to be a virgin when I get married and I'm going to marry a virgin. So I realized kind of what they were trying to do. I tried to do. Because by the way, nobody in the town, and probably hardly anybody in their family, bought it because the angel didn't tell everybody what was going on. He just told those two. That's correct. So everybody else was thinking, right.

Yeah, you're carrying the son of God. I bet that's what happens. You know everyone. You know how communities are. Look, I've said this before in speeches and all. People scoff at it to this day. Still do. Look, I've said this before.

When you think, well, how come Jesus never made a mistake? I mean, that's, you know, I didn't struggle with any kind of sexual type thing when I was a teenager because I didn't know what I was missing. I had just dismissed it. I wasn't going down the road. I made up my mind. To me, I have way more respect for somebody who's having sex on a continual basis. Then they come to Jesus and say, okay, I got to shut that down.

Well, now, as a married man, I'm like, okay, that's going to be rough. that's going to be hard. But at the time, it does make me realize that if you just do things the right way, it is easier. It's even more, it's a good point. It's more understandable. I try to tell people that because they're like, I cannot believe you did that. That's got to be the hardest thing in the world.

I'm like, you know what, it actually wasn't? Because I didn't realize I just had this bar that I wasn't going to cross. Now, once I crossed it, if you just said, okay, I want you to fast from that for, you know, a week, I'd been like, no, wait a minute. like when I go to Africa. Which helps what probably helped him. We talk about raising your children and the spirits of atmosphere. Well, if they're never, if they see their parents not seeing this stuff on TV,

oh, that's pre-cell phone when Jason was a kid. Yeah. So we didn't have that. All right. Well, that's what I'm saying. But look, and once you don't experience it, when I go to Africa, I don't see anybody struggling with materialism and greed. You know why?

They don't have anything. Well, that's right. So they don't know what they're missing. They go in, they walk to church and they sing songs. They never think about it. Oh, man, we've got a 10 o'clock service today. I don't know. They don't think like that.

You know what I'm saying? I went out for two years and spoke at this pretty rough prison, you know, and they thought maybe let's try this, you know. So I would give them lessons and share Jesus with them. But you know what was weird is when we gathered around in circles and bear it our soul, well, they would all brag about that they hadn't had sex with a woman. you know, like two years or whatever, you know, they had denied themselves. And I was like, there's no women out here. I mean, you know what I mean? But they had like, well, I mean,

look at me. Look at what I'm having to sacrifice. You quit stealing if you put you in jail and keep it locked up for five years. I said the same thing. I said, you're not stealing anything either. You're locked up. But it gets into this law of works thing in your mind that you think, you know, I'm not doing this. It's more your trust. in God in your overall. Look, I had the opportunities. Every kind of wild woman that I was associated with, once I ascertain that, oh, this woman's frisky, I immediately called her because I was like, this is not the road I want to go down. I don't care what she looks like. I'm out. Well, Jay, you learned well, my man, at a young age. But I was looking for a woman to marry, and I thought, I'm going to

do this God's way. And it was actually easier than you think about it. The only thing where I draw the line is I'm like, more people should tell young people that. That's right. Because it would have helped me if somebody said, this is a good thing, because all my friends were saying, you're dumb. So the guy with a magazine reporter who asked you, Jase, do you really expect somebody to believe that you didn't have sex with your girlfriend before you married or do you really think we're that dumb?

What was your reply to him? I think I said, I don't care whether you believe it or not, because you don't understand the reasoning behind it, which is what I'm saying. while a lot of people have a problem realizing that Jesus was a man that didn't sin. They're like, well, he was God. That's not fair.

Yeah, but it says he's tempted in every way yet he was without sin. Why would the Bible say that if he wouldn't have the capacity to do it? He became a man. I know that's hard for you to grasp. And that's why that question came and I've had it many times. Why are you tempted if he can't sin? No, he just chose not to.

And what I'm trying to give you an insight in if you went about everything the right way from the beginning, it is easier than you think because I took the hardest one I could think of, which is sex. And I'm just saying, I struggled way more after I had sex with all the other types of sexual sins and lust. And once I knew what was going on there, I was like, oh, boy, this is good. But before that, I was not looking at other women that way. And you remember we had conversations about I was a kid because I was like,

because my friends were like, there's something wrong with you, you know. I mean, this is just not normal and it's not natural. But I just didn't want to go there. I would see a girl. I said, I'm not going there. I'll go duck hunting and I'll go fishing, but I ain't going there.

And what made it worse is when I would, I would break up with them for that reason. I was like, you're too wild for me. well then I thought they would just say well that's absurd well then they'd really love me but once I said no you're out for that reason somehow another they found some romance in that you know because I didn't wasn't just looking at her physically you hurt their feelings they're thinking you know you know I'm not as sex as I thought I was yeah yeah yeah yeah no time what they're thinking but I said all that to say this if somebody you know if my girlfriend

they say what I said yeah you know I'm gonna have a baby and it's from the Holy Spirit to God. I just don't know if I'd have the capacity. No matter how many voices are in my head, I was like, you know what? Joe's a pretty faithful guy. He trusted God, and he was right to do so. He did the right thing. So obviously right time. Hopefully, glory be, whoever you are, that gives you some insight into what the Bible teaches about the flesh in humanity as well as the divine of Christ. So keep the questions coming. We love it. Wherever you're watching, be sure and hit, you know, replies and get us some good questions and we'll continue to answer them on the podcast we love that we love studying the bible so your questions help spark that and we got a lot more by the way the girl

that wrote uh is there any texts i didn't understand what what it means to have nothing to do with people that seems harsh read second john chapter 10 don't invite people in your house if they don't if they deny jesus coming in flesh uh 2 john 10 read that 2 Timothy chapter 10th three, read that one. First Corinthians five, nine and following, read that. First Corinthians 1533, read that one. And last, second, Thessalonians three, verse six. That's among, and there are others where sometimes you just are told to not have anything to do with individuals who are really into sinful behavior. So there's your list, honey. Read that one. I'm not even aware of that question, but whoever you are, right?

those verses down and check them out from Phil. So we'll deal with a few more of those next time. We are so glad you're watching and listening to the Unashamed podcast. Be sure to like us on Facebook, subscribe on YouTube and iTunes. That's going to keep you up today with all the new episodes. And it's also going to let other people find out about our podcast. So keep spreading the word and watching and listening to Unashamed with Phil Robertson.