Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 374 | Jase Won’t Stop Interrupting HIMSELF & the Misery of Zuck's Creepy, Dystopian Metaverse

Episode Date: November 3, 2021

Jase, Al, and Zach find Mark Zuckerberg and his "metaverse" creepy and disturbing, and Al suspects we'll be even more disturbed when we find out who "the android" running Facebook really is. Jase is so rude he interrupts himself — repeatedly. Phil offers up a little philosophy inspired by Chicago lyrics. Zach points out that today's disconnected, superficial culture presents a prime opportunity for the Gospel to flourish. Al dubs Jase the "world’s greatest garbage man." Phil explains why many people are called to do things for God but few are chosen. And Zach argues that technology isn't the real problem — it's the isolation of living your life virtually and worshipping created things instead of the Creator. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? It's got to be a segment. Well, here's what. Yeah, let's do a segment. Jayce's News. But what happened, I got all this news because I was in the yuppie world of Nashville. And it's not a yuppie place. I saw a picture of you at the, is it the Predators? Hey, I have gotten some of it.

I had to look twice because I was like, is that the Unabomber? Jason, you had them like this hoodie and all this thing you were like. Well, what happened was, uh, out. It looked like three security people were just above you. I mean, ready to swoop in. Facial profiling is alive and well. So people either, they had one or two responses when I went to the Predators game. Hey, let's take a pitcher.

Yeah. This guy's from that duck show. Or clutch your purse. Or, uh, sir. Step over here. We have some bonus winding for you to get you in here. So. The life of Jace.

Love by many, feared by some. By our fans, Jace, they labeled you as the great storyteller. That's what he is. I don't know about all that, but I do have. But Al is a director that makes it all cohesive. I bet I said to have some reviews. of the five guys. So I have this phone,

you know, I have a little phone. I didn't send the one that Zach that said, we don't need so much Zach. That was the one. That was a one star. I do have,

yeah. There was a one star that said, too much Zach. They had me sitting here. Monitoring the situation and trying to keep it cohesive. Who is they? Fans, people who call.

How do you know all this stuff? I sent him, I'll put it in a note today. I sent it to you. I sent it to you, but apparently. Dad checks his email. The stuff that you're sending me.

I didn't learn it on the Internet. I can tell you that. This article that somebody sent me from the animal rights people was that you? No, that wasn't me. Well, they said it was you. We need to check on cybersecurity around here. What's going on? I don't remember anything.

Is this part of your news segment? Well, it became a news statement because I thought you sent it to him. I could have. Because some animal rights group or I don't know, is there only one, but I don't even want to know. There's more than one. They wanted to change, you know, the World Series is going on. Yeah. And which I didn't even realize until someone else reminded me that.

I don't have much time to be lingering. But I looked it up and I believe the Braves are up. Three, two. Three two. Back to Houston after last night. At the current time of this filming. So they wanted, these animal rights people want to change the name. They find it offensive because when you get a relief.

pitcher they do not want to get them out of the bull pin because that is a place where they had this long deal about bulls dive and they're hung up and how they're killed so they wanted to change the name there's also uh playing on words bull crap which is that's what i like that name better well they wanted to change the name there's more bull going around than in the pin that's They wanted to change the name to the arm barn instead of the arm barn. Well, I thought that would make a great place to like name a place if you were like a workout center with just dumbbells. The arm barn. That was a joke.

But I thought the arm pit would be a better name. Oh, the arm pit. That'd be great. Of course, they don't want to do that because the connotations that might be. lead to people not using hygiene or body. But then like your nastiest reliever, you go like, this guy's nasty. Let's bring him out of the pit. And all the things and the endeavors that the human race dream up.

Endeavorers. To sit there and argue about what you're going to call instead of bull peeing. We did call it bull. People are so offensive. Who would think about it? People are sitting around boredom. Because you think about it. I was going to give you a news update because some of the things happen in our world.

I usually stay away from this. But when you linger in big cities, you hear people talking. So this is where I got these news things, which one of the bigger news items of the day that people were talking about is Facebook changed their name to Metaverse. They took a page out of the former NBA player. What was his name? Ron Artez. who changed a few years ago, he changed his name to meta-world peace? Meta-world peace.

But he was a Johnny come lately because back in our day, remember, World Be Free? Well, yeah. He changed it. So, you know, this. Yeah, but World Be Free. His name was at least free. That's true. He just said, hey, my name's free.

How about World Be free? Okay. I somewhat respect that. But Ron Artesse, because now his name, he's already changed it since because he got married again because I looked it up. Now it's like Meta B. Ford, because that was his wife. He took his wife's name. You know how when you get married and the woman takes the man's name, well, he just took her name? He took her name.

Meta B. Ford. Something like that. That kind of rolls off the tongue, though. well I thought he was in the cars but it was actually her name but here's what here's what's disturbing about I have a little color commentary

on the Facebook episode I want to hear Zach's opinion but here's what I found fascinating so come to find out they released this video and the guy who runs the place I can't pronounce his name oh dad knows him well

Zuckerberg Mark Zuckerberg that called him suckerberg he has a video I couldn't watch the whole thing. It's creepy. Well, this guy... He looks like he's not a human being.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. But Al, you know what I hit me? I thought, now, here we are in our society. And you see these people that are not... They're not acknowledging God as the intellect behind the earth, the universe, the metaverse. So they're coming up with these illusions of existence. And so they're basically saying, on purpose, the goal is to be,

you remember in the Star Trek episodes where they came up with the idea of a play world, a fantasy lamb, what were those called? Oh, like the hologram. The holodex. Yeah, holodeck. So they're like, I mean,

at least they could have taken the goal of Star Trek, which was to go out, seek out strange new worlds, to go where no one is going for. No, they're like, we want to be a holodeck. This is the goal. You know how you saw on Star Trek where you go into the hologram? That's what we want to be.

Yeah. Virtual reality. The key phrase is to go where no one else has gone before. Yeah, but they're not going that, Phil. Yeah, but I know they have. They don't. Because the creator of the cosmos has made it to where we all can go to where we've never been before. That's eternal life.

See to it, Jace, that no one takes you captive. through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. That's my answer to the... I love it. Colossians...

That's Colossians 2, verse 8, which is a needed thing in these strange days we live in. So that was going to be the theme of the... Because look, I don't like to just be negative about the news, but this was so... what would you call it? What got me was, what got me was, it's disturbing. It's disturbing.

And we're going to, and what he said, one of his lines was we're going to bring people together in all new ways. And I thought by going into some fake place that doesn't really exist. And this whole thing. Yes, his whole bit was social connection. And I'm like, but you're not connected. I went to an event last week with about 40, it was a real small event, about 40 people talking about how to reach,

unreached people groups. And one of the guys there at this event was working on the glasses that Facebook's going to have his company was. I guess there's several different companies right now that are trying to develop the technology. So the idea is you'll have these glasses that you'll wear. And they call it like augmented reality. There's different versions.

You have augmented reality. You have virtual reality. you have the, but if you've seen the movie Ready Player 1, I don't know if you guys saw that or not, but that's what he said it's going to be like. But it's a whole virtual world and you'll be able to live basically your life virtually if you want to, or maybe it's a little bit of both. But he was saying, I mean, they've done the research on this and they're predicting that that within two to five years that a society is going to adopt these last. at the same rate that we've adopted the smartphones,

which is kind of scary if you think about. I mean, like, we're, I'm not going to participate in that personally because to me that's like one of the most, that's almost like dystopian. That, that depresses me to think about living in a world virtually. It's not,

I have an avatar that communicates with your avatar. That, that just sounds bizarre. Wasn't this the quiet line for the Matrix? Isn't that, wasn't that the whole deal? But you think about it, you got to get out of the tube, man. You think,

but just think about the hypocrisy of, of all these beliefs that what you come up with without a god, a godless society, this is what they come up with. Yeah. Because first of all, you've got, the math doesn't add up. You've got all these millions of years that, you know, we've been floating around. And we've only been around here in America, what? 250 years, give or take?

Two and 705. And now all of a sudden, the pace is quickening so much that I'm like, your math, you're math is not adding up about all of a sudden we're the smartest people in the world and we're going to figure out how to eternally exist virtually hollow and deceptive because look here's the other news item on to bring up now i'm not hating on marvel movies because entertainment's entertainment however you know what the name of the new marvel movie that's coming out is you all haven't seen this a black widow bill eternals.

Oh, Eternals. I did see that. You know how I feel about when Hollywood uses godly principles to make a buck, I have to stop and say

hand slap, hand slap, hand slap, hollow and deceptive philosophy. Eternals. Why would they do that? Just look, if you don't believe in God, okay, that's your

right, good luck, you'll need it. But don't try to use your stories about people that are going be our heroes that we'll pay $12 to go see and give the illusion that somehow something eternal is fixed to happen here. Because guess what? Yeah. That's not true. But here, I don't even know anything about the movie. Well, I don't either. I just saw the name. I know, but I can tell you this. They have to be able to have the possibility of dying or we won't have any attention for the movie. Just sitting around watching people live eternal life. You know what I'm saying? They get all their material. They're going to be a big battle because they're going to find somebody that's a bad newsman. I have said this before. All good movies get their material

straight from the gospel, the death, barrel, and resurrection of Jesus. They try to be created. Look, the new Halloween movie, guess what it's about? A guy that won't die. Yeah. Yeah. So what they, What they've missed is in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, I counted them. The kingdom of God, our kingdom of heaven, our kingdom is mentioned. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, four little books. 133 times. And to this day, people say, kingdom of what? Kingdom, what?

Do you strange characters that are members of what? What is that? That's why I'm saying reality is right in front of them. Jesus presented it when he showed up. Repent because the kingdom is near. It came and it's mentioned 133 times and it was said to be it's coming in your lifetime, Mark 9-1. So it came, it's here, but three-fourths of the world's population know nothing about it. And that's where we come in.

That's all right. So let's take a break. So Jay's have got two things. One in response to your news items. One is I know the secret to killing every uncillable character in any novel or movie. Don't watch it? Nope. Low box office.

It will kill them every time. It's the only way to kill the eternal. If nobody goes to watch the movie, you'll never see them again on the screen. And the second thing is my prediction is one day, we will find out that Mark Zuckerberg is not a human. He was the first automated robot. He's really a robot. He's really well done.

He may be an avatar. There may be a real one like somewhere behind a wall somewhere, and this is just his guy out front. But that's not a human being. Well, you know what? I'm a Zach. When he did that, I thought this is where this thinking that money can bring you happiness

and this social media interaction will get you. Because as I watched a little bit of it, I thought, this guy needs some friends. He needs to get out. He needs to have a conversation. Mark Zuckerberg and his friends censored yours truly here

for plucking a duck, for plucking a duck. And I can't eat the duck with the feathers on him. I guess you could. It's like frying chicken and you never got the feathers off of him. Yeah. Well, it's not preferred.

Yeah, not preferred. That was only being an emergency. If I want to eat the duck, Mark. It was cat. I gave him a fifth. I gave Mark Zuckerberg a 15-minute speech. I will have to admit. He and his friends wrote back, sent me back.

I've never seen Facebook. What is it? Facebook. Well, it's not. Now it's metaverse. Metaverse. So, I presented a 15-minute argument. And Mark and his friends said, we apologize.

So you got an apology. I got an apology because I said you got to pluck a duck before you eat him. Did the pizza people ever apologize to you for picking those birds in their parking lot? Because you had the same kind of censorship. But yours was more of a direct. Well, I wouldn't jamming in their face by picking in a Walmart parking lot. Picking a duck. Well, we're never going to live that one down all it.

It was not about, I was just thinking these feathers are bio-degredable. You know, I think it's funny, like, at the same time that you have this metaverse emerging, which I do think is going to, I don't think they're spending billions of dollars and changing the name of their company and the whole structure to move in this direction. If they don't have an ample amount of market research that shows that people are going to adopt this, but so that that is scary. But I also think that there is like in towns like that I live in, there's this local, I call it localism that's emerging where like our little town,

we have a market every Saturday. People bring their milk, they bring their vegetables, they bring their handcraft, whatever. I mean, the craft beer industry. I do see people are saying, I don't want to live in that world. I want to do life in the community that I live in. So I think it's going to be cool to see. there is going to be a counter to death that I think it's going to be pretty cool with people like go back to the old ways actually talking to one another doing life together sharing resources you know for me that's what I want to be a part of I don't know that the whole meta thing scares me to death I have no no desire to participate in it

I just think that's what people come up with when they can't answer life's basic problems and don't have the answer for relationships what do you do You just got to make stuff up. You've got to have a virtual world. Because if you start focusing on the planet and nothing you can do about getting off of it alive or you're just doomed. So you don't want to do that. So through technology and this, I mean,

I do respect the ones at least building the spaceships and all because at least they're thinking, oh, we're bowling going where no man. We're going to find something. At least they're trying. But you notice a lot of the, especially the left-winger's, they've been down on them because they're like, why do you want to go up there?

Why don't you put all that money into? There's nothing up there. There's nothing up there. Down here's where all the problems are. That's why, in the midst of it all, do not be ashamed to testify by our Lord or ashamed of me, his prisoner. Join with me in suffering for the gospel by the power of God. He saved us.

He called us to a holy life, not because of anything we've done, because of his own purpose and great. This grace was given us. in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time, but has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, and you want to hear something about Virtual, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. To me, that supersedes all the concoctions and the philosophies of men. It nails it. It nails it down. They're out. Well, the main thing it does that.

I'm thankful. It gives us, we have a structure. I think Zach's right. I think the antithesis to this whole thing is something that really matters. Correct me if I'm wrong. When Facebook first started, Zach, you may know this. Wasn't it just about the way people looked and then they commented on it, which was the idea about Facebook? I mean, that's how it kind of started.

Yeah, they ranked the girls in college. It was kind of like a meat market type thing where they, I mean, literally, it's pretty, pretty degrading to women. I mean, it was like what's ranking in order. That's how it started. So whatever they've done just try to like, and look, they've created billions of users and obviously billions of dollars for the Android, Zuckerberg. But at the same time, when I look at it, I'm just like, this thing all started on a false

premise, which guess what? Now they have, you know what their biggest problem is that young girls and young women are having all these, it's shame issues from Facebook because of all these negative comments. Well, that's how you started. So we're starting with something that's good and holy and righteous in a community. I mean, so we've got something to stand on, is my point? They used to have that issue. Now, there's nobody under 30 years old on Facebook. So they've all moved to. Well, Instagram. Well, Instagram, yes. But the actual thing. So what exactly is it? I don't know, well, you know. Somebody said, well, you've been on it. And I said, well, I didn't get on it. I didn't volunteer to get on it. I didn't volunteer to get on it.

It's like a page of what you do. It's who you are or who you... It's like pictures and videos and people communicate like online so they can look at a screen and then they see... It really is an avatar. People get in big discussions on Facebook and so like if you get on Facebook and you get a political discussion on Facebook, most people are way more bold and aggressive than they would be in real life.

So it takes all of our features and it like amplified. them, you know. Because there's kind of this layer. And it's not all bad. I mean, like, Lisa's on there and I'm running to people all the time. And they say, I love what Lisa post on her Facebook page. I'm like, yeah, great. But that's what they don't realize.

The reason it's a success is because it's people's own personal gateway to the world. Right. So they're like, oh, this is my shot. Hello, world. Here I am. Yeah, the one dude who came up with a profound epiphany, he thought about it, Mr. I do not like you. That kind of Facebook.

You've got to learn to forgive that guy. You know what I did, Jason? I smiled. What I don't like about it is it gives a lot of church-going people and illusion that they're making a difference in the world just because they're spending 14 hours a day on Facebook. Because I've seen people who have come to my house and I'm like, look, we're trying to have a meal here.

do you mind getting off your phone? I mean, these are grown adults. And they're like, hey, I'm on Facebook. I mean, I've had those encounters. And I'm thinking you've got 75 followers. Who knows how many of them are real people because they're robots within the system. Does Facebook on all the other insular, like Snapchat and TikTok?

No, they're on Instagram and I think WhatsApp. I just wondered if they were going down to catch the young people because That's stuff. Have you heard of Instagram? Have you heard of TikTok? What do you, when you hear the old clocks, TikTok, TikTok, TikTok. You know where we're at in our society?

What I said, the time doesn't make up. Look, do you realize it hit me the other day that I used to deviate from my traveling plan to go by a bank when I was young so I could see what time it was? You know, it wasn't on my vehicle. I didn't have a phone. Or a watch. I got a find.

to find a bank. Welcome to my world. I got to take two miles out of the way and drive by this bank because I don't know what time it is. I mean, isn't that? Yeah. That's pretty funny. I was ahead of you because I would have simply just looked around and say it's about midday. But it would actually. Or it's late in the evening. It would actually call early in the morning. Phil, if you're meeting somebody at a specified time, because you forbid watches, you didn't per se. Too many clocks. But you remember, you'd say, I don't want to want to. I've never had a watch. So as a kid, you're like, well, I'll have. I guess watches are out. I guess watches are out. But the problem was when you needed to know what time it was, you had to go find a bank, or you had to call. They used to have a number.

I don't know if it's still, I need to call that and see. You could actually call a number. I remember the number in my head, which is kind of strange. It just popped in there. Was it 411? No.

No. You could call, I don't want to say the number because that might be some kind of legal. You guys? Hey, hang on, let's take a break. Jason's always worried about, I mean, the giving out the time number is no reflection on you. All right, I'll just, look, all sugar, let's call it.

Sugar coat, I think it's 325, 9, 4, 2, 1, but I'm not. All right, we're going to call it. Call it and see. What was it? What was it again? 3, 2, what? Well, is it, maybe I got the first three wrong. I know it was 9, 9, 4, 2, 1.

I thought it was 3259 421 So what happened Yeah call it up Call failed Oh because there's no service We're stuck out here in the middle of nowhere I can't call anybody Look so and they would give you the time

They would use Where's my phone? I think I'll have service I refer to the old The old rock and roll group I don't have my phone The old rock and roll group Jace Who were the ones

sang the song, does anyone really know what time it is? Chicago. Chicago. Chicago. They come up on something with that. Yeah, the whole song was about. Does anybody really know the answer? No. The whole song was about the irrelevance of time.

That's right. That's pretty good. Leave it to dad to bring the old rocker fast. Well, that's why when my point I was getting to before I rudely interrupted myself. With a random. James is so rude. You never done that? Jay's so rude he even interrupts himself.

I interrupted myself with this. It popped into my head in the past. I just, for some reason, I'm interrupting myself again. These people keep saying, look, there's like millions of years, you know, this thing's been going on. We were cavemen trying to fear. Fire. Fire. And then all of a sudden, we've become so smart in such a short.

in such a short period of time that we're like, we got it figured out. We're going to create a holodeck for everyone. I need some glasses. It's like a, I mean, if I had a big, huge earth-sounding gong, when I heard that news,

I would just start pounding it. Oh, bong, bong, bong. And you wonder why the suicide rate is at a record. Exactly. I mean, maybe, Jay's, maybe it's climate change because as all this, as your news is being shared, they're gathering over in Scotland to decry that, you know, we're not even going to be here in another day.

I know. And look, that's why I'm saying. I guess we need to find a hologram because the whole thing's going down. We just now figured out where we're at. I mean, just wasn't a few hundred years ago. We thought this thing was flat. And now we're going to save it. For the millions of years that it took for us to realize, oh, this thing's flat.

And then we, somebody finally said, hey, let's get on a boat and see if there's anything else out there. Okay, Bob. Went all the way around. Oh, we're in America. And we're discovered America. And now we realize, you know what, we need to plant some more trees. And look, I'm all for the environment. I'm for protecting it.

But I'm like, if you plant a trillion more trees and you clean this place up, it's still not, we're not going to last. No. This is an imper. I mean, a perishable. existence. And if there was a way to make anything imperishable, you need to pursue it. And here's Jesus getting back to the time reference saying, I'll just give you one verse. Hebrews 13A. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. What a statement that is. Because you just think about all the time that has evolved, then the math don't add up on it as for our idea.

It just doesn't. It's swearing out. Yeah. Second law of thermodynamics. It's the second law of thermodynamics. I was just thinking the same thing, Phil. It governs the universe. The second law is that heat and matter or energy of matter can't be created nor destroyed. Another way of saying it is that it's called entropy.

Over time, everything is decaying. Everything. The entire universe is in a constant state of decay. That's it. And all of our efforts, all the things that we've, think we're going to accomplish. It reminds me of the Tower of Babel that the arrogance of the people in Genesis was that, where's that? Genesis 11, 11, 11, 11. You know, that, that they could, they actually believed that they could build a tower that would read that would go high enough to reach

God. And I think that's what this is the same type of mentality, which I mean, I'm all for advancement, but I mean, at some point, it's the arrogance of us to think that we're going to actually build something that's going to create our own immortality or that we're going to somehow reach our own God status. And I love Phil brought up Colossians too, because the second part of Colossians too, this is what it says. It says, these are a shadow of what's to come, but the reality, which is the opposite of virtual reality. The reality is found in Christ. And I think that's why times like this where you look at like the virtual world, which we're already kind of living in, right, with Instagram culture and

everybody's kind of living under this fake reality. I think it's prime time for the gospel to flourish because people are looking for reality just so happens. The reality is found in Christ. So, I mean, if we, if Jesus can't be, if, if that message doesn't resonate today, then I don't know if it ever will. I think it does resonate because I think people are looking for that. His unspiritual mind, a guy that's the whole movement here, their unspiritual minds puffs them up with idle notions. Well, that's in Colossan, Phil.

Those were religious people. Yeah. I mean, I think in the world, Zach brings up a good point. But Christians give in to this narrative. I mean, look, when I was a kid or younger, because I was taught that heaven was down there and heaven was up, up. You mean hell was down?

Heaven was, I mean, hell was down and heaven was up. That's what I was told. But the more I thought about it, heat rises. So theoretically, heaven would be hotter than hell. That's fine. Well, try to go through the atmosphere. Well, it finally hit me. It finally hit me after I reading that God is an imperishable eternal.

That was a very limited view. Yeah. I'm like, oh, when he's levitating, you know, in Acts 1, I keep bringing that up. He wasn't doing that because he had to. And I finally realized I'm thinking too small here. Yeah, exactly. My, if you're pointing down, because I'm looking down. To the magma.

I was like. Red hot magma. Yeah. Oh, we must, hell must be. the center of the core of the earth. You've seen the old pictures where the devil's floating, I mean, swimming through the magma and the demons are floating around. It's like a bad cave experience.

But my point is, even we do that, and I think that's our world. We come up with movies and call it Eternals, and we say we're going to, you know, we're going to make the earth, we're going to renovate the earth and clean it up. Then what? Well, we're going to be like those people on the tower. We're going to die about three-quarter. of the way up from wherever we were going the last quarter I mean we're trapped here oh look it's and it's a religion let's take another break it's a religion and uh Greta Thunberg is that

her name she's a little prophet prophetess she's a little when you have nothing else it's a European girl everybody's like falling around like she's a rock star because look I do more cleaning up of the earth than the average person because I have metal detect and every trash, piece of trash, that I find, which is, I would say thousands of I was going to say, you're like the world's greatest garbage, man, because you're digging it up and getting it. I'm doing the work here, cleaning up. Everybody else wants to have a council and talk about it. You're actually out there doing it.

I'm actually doing it. But I will say this, if you clean it all up and you plant the whole thing back trees, you're going to die. That's why the Hebrew writer said. Such a good pie. The Hebrew writer, you all ready to hear it? I want to hear it. Hebrews 9 verse 10, we have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure.

Pretty cool. Yeah. In the midst of it all, you say, hope. I love that Phil, I love that Phil brought up Colossians, too. It's just funny to me that he has no concept of Facebook, augmented reality. I could tell the look on his face when we were talking about that. He was like, didn't know quite what we were talking about. about, but I love how he really did pick intuitively such an apical verse to this because I love

that you look at what's going on here in Colossians 2. I was just thinking about this as we were talking. The metaverse promises social connection when in reality what it's providing is social disconnection. Correct. It's lying. It's giving you a shadow of the real thing, but it's not the real thing. And then when you get down here in Colossians 2, what Paul's getting at is that these religious people were worshipping a shadow of the real thing

primarily through the law when he says verse 16. Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. These are all these religious festivals and things that they're imposing the law

on them. Things which are a mere shadow of what is to come. But the substance or I think the NIV, which I'll read says, the reality, however, belongs to Christ. Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of angels, taking his stand on visions that he's seen inflated without cause by his fleshly mind and not holding fast to the head from whom the entire body being supported and held together by its joints and ligaments grows with a growth which is from God.

And I love this because what he's saying is, is that you're worshiping things that are just a shadow. They're just, they're not the real thing. And I think that's what the Facebook culture, like that's our old culture now, right? We're worshiping shadows. We're worshiping images. We're worshiping reflections. And that's why I think, Phil, to your point on suicide and the mental health crisis that's happening in the culture right now, I think it's because we're disconnected, because we're buying in and, for something very superficial version of the real thing.

That makes sense? Oh, perfect sense. I agree 100%. And it also, like I said earlier, the whole premise, Zach, supposedly they've evolved to this point of where they're going to pull it back together, but they were, it was a, it's a rotten tree to begin with. The root is rotten. It started with all, for all the wrong reasons.

So no matter what they've tried to do, you know, it's going to grow bad fruit, which is what it continues to do. Even though there are people involved in it that do good things, we've got a large Facebook group that listen to the podcast, and they communicate with each other. That's their platform to do it. Hey, that's awesome. I mean, Unashamed is able to have a presence there. But at the root of it all, you're not going to connect that way.

You've got to have real people. You've got to have a real relationship with Christ. I love what you said about the shadow, because I was thinking about the book of Hebrews, because Dad mentioned Hebrews 9-10. in Hebrews, you know, eight, nine, and ten, it was the same thing to the Jewish people. He was like, look, you're trying to base everything back on this shadow of what was to come. Jesus actually was the real sacrifice. You can't base it back on the lamb and the goats and the bulls and the priests going into the temple.

All that was just what was going to come in Christ. So even with the Jewish people is the exact same message that you were talking about outside of that. Yeah. All right, I got my phone. I'm calling and seeing what time it is. Are you ready? This is exciting. Yeah.

I'm going to put it on speaker. And here we go. What if this is a wrong number? That's it. So it's some. Oh, it's a bang. They're still doing it. They're still giving up the time.

Wait, wait, wait. Did it give you the time? Yeah, 1104. Let's see if that's right. Oh, no. There was an ad. But my phone says 11.03. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. How can you trust it now? There you go. The best lies the one with the most truth in. Chicago was right. Does anybody really know what time it is? But look, it's the same in our society. Even like I remember calling radio stations because I wanted to hear, that's the only way I could hear my favorite song.

Now, you're just luck it up. I knew every radio station personality on a first name basis. That's right. Well, when I used to have my 8-track, it wouldn't go backwards. So I would have listened all, I had my favorite song, but I would have listen to the whole 8-track to get back around to my favorite song, which was kind of weird now because you think about how everything's just on-demand, whatever you want in the moment.

But, I mean, back in the day. So you realize what we just did? Somebody, they probably have a red phone at this bank, and it hasn't rung in 17 years. and they're all gathering around saying someone dialed. My question is how many people now an unashamed nation are going to call this bank? They're going to, all of a sudden, some guy that's been sleeping on the job for the last 20 years is thinking they get woke up. Yeah, there was like a flat line and a pulse went on. What were they advertising mortgages?

Well, who knows, but nobody's going to call that. The only reason you called it was. to get what time it was. Our listeners are going to call. They're going to call it, though. And they got free advertisement right there from the same podcast. You just have that back. But that just shows you how society won't move.

Why do they still have that number? No, the bigger question is, why do you still remember that number? I remembered that number. And look, you know what's unfortunate? You don't even know what day it is. I don't know. Remember that number. I don't know my number.

Right now, if you ask me my phone number, because we're in this meadow. world verse thing where everything's on your phone and I do not know my number. Hang on dad. Before you read that, let's take our last break. Bring us back to some sense. I'll bring it back to numbers. Zachara, the prophet. What are these wounds on your body?

He will answer. Had you get all these wounds, the wounds I was given at the house of my friends is Jesus his word on it coming. Awake, oh sword against my shepherd against the man who's close to me, declares the Lord Almighty, strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones. In the whole land, are you all ready for this?

Declares the Lord, two-thirds will be struck down and perish. That's a lot of the human race. Yep. Yet, yet, yet, one-third. will be left in it. This third, I will bring into the fire. This is you and I and the rest of us who follow Jesus. I will refine them like silver and test them like gold.

They will call on my name and I will answer them. I will say they are my people. And they will say, the Lord is my God. So out of the whole deal, Zach, two thirds gone. one-third survives. Just some numbers you might think about. What was that? Zachariah, what?

13. Zacharii 13. It kind of goes hand-and-hand with the parable of the soar. Some don't understand. Yeah, I think it's a general picture of a lot of people. Many are called, but few are chosen. Figure it out, but there'll be some. So you're telling me there's a chance.

But just if you live in a world where two out of three that you run up on, they're into what you guys are. or pontificating on the Facebook and all of these hollow deceptive philosophies that come and go through the ages, that still goes on. It's still here. Nothing has changed except the God of heaven has come down in flesh, remove the sins of the ones who will believe it, and raise them from the dead. I kind of like the position I'm in.

Well, exactly. Well, I'd say that Facebook and these different technology platforms are not the problem. I mean, they exacerbate the problem. The problem is that we want to worship and serve the created things rather than the creator. So I think that's the core of the problem. We take what's been made and then we elevate the thing. I'll say this all the time. We elevate the things of God over the God of the things. And in Colossians 2, that looked like religious things, things that were, you know, at one point were good things, they just were elevated up, you know, even the scriptures, Jesus said you worship, you studied the scriptures diligently, and by them

you think you're saved, but yet you missed me, the one that's right in front of you, who they point to. So I think that Facebook, could we use Facebook and we use these platforms for good purposes, and there are good things happening on the platforms, but when you get to the point where you're living your life virtually, that's not a good thing because it isolates you. socially and you were created according to Genesis chapter 1 verse 26 and 27 you were created in God's image which means that you're created to be relational you're created to be in community because God is a relationship father son holy spirit and that's how you were created to be and

when we're living in isolation we're not living has God designed us to live which means we're going to experience depression anxiety suicide all these that's when misery comes so yeah I just wanted to clarify that I agree I think it just beat sped up the process and it made us more informed in the dire needs of humanity. I mean, this was still going on before Facebook. Even if our gospel is veiled, Jesus is death, barrel of resurrecting, it's veiled to those who are perishing. Here's a scary thought.

Y'all are saying, what are these people who, what do they claim? The God of this age, Satan, has blinded the minds of unbelievers. so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who's the image of God. You look at that and you say, boy, things have not changed much in the last 2,000 years. Well, and even beyond that, so that's my point. This idea about the false God of environmentalism has been around as long as people have been around. They've worshipped these gods of the planet, and it's all about the crops and this, that, and the other.

So it's the same thing what you're saying. That's why I'm saying they've used a religion, which is why they don't get us, the guys like us that say, we're not that worried because we serve the creator of the whole thing. I mean, to Jason's point, which is an excellent one, we're all good stewards of the planet. I mean, we're falsely accused of being bad stewards of the planet. Just because we're not worried about polar ice caps. And when they get through worshiping the false God, they all say, okay, it's time. They all strip naked and have sex.

And they say, call it a rap. That certainly was the ancient way. I don't know if they'll bring it back, but they probably will. That's exactly. But I mean, what I'm saying is like the climate change movement, they're blaming the industrial revolution for hurricanes and, you know, which is not a fact. Right. I mean, this is a volatile planet. Volcanoes go up and they're like, yeah, we're causing it.

We're causing it. I don't think so. No. I think these things are happening because they're happening. I think when you go over to Italy and you look where it was the big Pompeii, the mountain, I mean, Vesuvius goes off. all those people. That was a long time ago, way before any industrialization came along.

Well, they don't like talking to people like me because I'm like, look, I'm for all industry, for everything to go back like it was before any of that happened. You'd like a research.

So I love it. I mean, let's just live off the land. Guess what? I'm surviving. We'll see who holds up. So your point, Al, your point,

I think it's a good point. It's not just a climate, change thing. It's, I think that all these things are religions. Yes. Even if they don't call themselves that, but, you know, I think that it's Romans one and two, it's not a matter of

if you're going to worship. It's a matter of what you're going to worship. Exactly. You were, we were made to worship. We're a liturgical being. We were made in the image. We were made to worship. So we're going to worship something. I think that's why you see when these discussions, even all the political stuff, it gets

to become like, on both sides, it gets to become a religion. And that's why people are so passionate about it because we were made to worship. And our sin is when that worship gets misdirected and misguided. And I think God wants to call that back into, he wants to realign what we worship and point us back to him. And when we do that, I think that's when we're going to experience like our best life, you know, what God created us for. Yeah. I preached the sermon recently, Zach, and went through a whole list of stuff, both left and right. I included nationalism, America First, right in there with this other stuff we've been talking about in social justice and environmentalism. All those things can be elevated above the gospel and Jesus.

And that's not where you want to be. I mean, you're worshipping a false God when you do that, the wrong guy. No doubt. And so I think that's why people don't always understand what we're talking about. We're trying to say, it's what this podcast is about. I mean, we talk some about political things, but like today are things that other people are talking about. But let's face it, I mean, as dad has shown throughout this whole podcast, it goes back to the Word of God. Yeah.

And but look how relevant it is. One of the people that sent in a review said, I'm so shocked every time I listen to your podcast because you're reading documents that were created thousands of years ago. And they're so relevant to my life every day. That is it. He made the point, you know, which is amazing. I mean, you got 41 authors over a span of what? Five, six thousand years. Several thousand years.

Several thousand years. writing these narrative and some of them songs or prophecy, poetry, all over the, and you read it, and it has one central direction pointing you to a human who was God in human form. That's just pretty amazing. It's pretty incredible. And everything about what he represented was true and holy. Forget how churches or religious groups have screwed that up. If you just read it individually on who did you.

Jesus is and how he viewed people and what he did, you will find nothing wrong with anything he did, which is amazing. Yep. Well, we're out of time. So what we've got to have more of, Jace, whenever you're out of town is you've got to come back with more Jace's News, because that was quite the podcast. Yeah, I was mingling in the big city. The storytelling.

What's funny about that is later on that evening, we went to Adam and the Buck commander's restaurant, that E3, he uses his cattle. Speaking of the bullpen, I recommend that. I mean, they're proud of it. It's expensive. But when we walked in, I looked at Missy, I said, I think we might be underdress. I'd like for you to take me there, Jason, next time I'm in Nashville. All right, I'm going to do it because I'll recommend the tower of seafood.

They said it was called the grand. And, of course, it was, you know, the longer I stayed there, I said, I'm headed toward that grand. Is it better than what we fix? Yeah. Yeah. If you throw enough money at something, Phil, they got it. As far as seafood and steaks. Yeah.

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