Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 39 | Si’s Christmas Present, Robertson Christmas Traditions, and Knowing When to Stay and When to Flee

Episode Date: December 18, 2019

Al talks about the Robertson Christmas traditions, Jase has the perfect Christmas gift idea for Uncle Si, and the guys answer the question of “when to stay and when to leave."    See episodes of "...Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I am unashamed. What about you? So we're about, you know, we're getting close to Christmas Day. Don't you love this time of year? I love it. Ducks, deer. It's always, for us, I guess it's different. I mean, everybody has their own Christmas traditions, things they do.
Starting point is 00:00:29 Family. I mean, we had all my family, I mean, our family at my house, which I don't know why we were at my house. on Thanksgiving? Yeah, on Thanksgiving. Well, because Willie had, Willie and Corey normally hosts, but then they had the wedding, which was, you talk about a, I mean, he was tired. Willie went to Israel, came back, then had the wedding.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Yeah, a thousand people at his house. That's the first time I saw him. I mean, he looked weathered. Who's that? Willie, your son. He was rummed on the other night. I mean, he was just, I was like, it's a wedding that took six months to pull up. wall.
Starting point is 00:01:06 Landscaping, concrete walls, level ground, dirt haulers. Did you see the four-foot wall where that tent? We were on a four-foot plateau that he created. Yeah. That's incredible. And Jason, he does this with each one of his children. No. It'll be like a city.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Now, here's what I thought, though, because Sadie is unique. And so I thought to myself, because John Lewis already got married. That was a big deal, but that was on the show. And I guess they'd probably help with that. But it was a big deal. It was a big deal. It was a big deal. This other.
Starting point is 00:01:37 But I thought to myself, Willie and Corey, probably, I mean, they love all their kids, but nobody but Sadie would ever get what we saw the other day. She's just unique. Well, that seems weird to say. But it's true. I mean, I saw that to Bella. I was like, Bella, don't expect to get this.
Starting point is 00:01:50 I mean, you know, by the time you come along, by the time you get married. I'm done to a lot of weddings. I've never seen. I felt like I was in some kind of Hollywood movie where they transformed the actual earth into a Star Trek. What did they call those things that you'd go in? A hologram. A hologram.
Starting point is 00:02:07 A holodeck. No, I think it's a hologram. No, it's a holodeck was where you go to the deck to see the hologram. But no, I thought the same thing. What I said was, you remember lying the witch in the wardrobe? You know, when they went through the clothing deal there, they went through the thing. And then all of a sudden they're in Narnia. That's the way I felt about that.
Starting point is 00:02:26 It felt like a transport. Anyway, all this happened during the Christmas season. And so our Christmas is, I think are always kind of centered around hunting. You know, it's always kind of been that way. It's the only day you take off. And food.
Starting point is 00:02:41 Food's a big deal. Yeah, Chris, well, you know what? I didn't go Christmas Day when my kids were little. That was, I told, you know,
Starting point is 00:02:48 Missy was like, I mean, come on, we don't want to wait for you to get in from hunting. But when they got older, and my two boys now, they're, you know,
Starting point is 00:02:57 one's in Nashville, one's at Pepperdine. One's married. And me is 16. Well, look, if she don't, if she's,
Starting point is 00:03:03 He's not going to school. They're all sleeping until noon. Right. I don't care Christmas Day, whatever. So it's perfect for me. Now I'm back. It's kind of come back around. I go hunting and I invite them to go.
Starting point is 00:03:15 Of course, they always decline. But if my boys are here, they'll go with me. And it's kind of a new experience. Yeah, new tradition. So we never really were in that much into, you know, especially when we were younger days, we never were into gifts and all that too much. Dad was, dad's not a real holiday shopper. You know what's crazy?
Starting point is 00:03:34 Is that fair to say, Dad, you're not a holiday shop? I don't know if you've ever bought us a gift. Have you ever bought a Christmas gift? I can just count on a few hands on when I've shopped. Yeah. But most of the time I have what I want to get. And that's, and that was back years ago. When's the last time you walked into the mall?
Starting point is 00:03:52 When's the last time we walked into the mall here? Never. Never. Never that I remember. I've never been to the mall. That's quite a same. That's the same. That's right up there with that.
Starting point is 00:04:03 I don't know what a cell phone is. Have you ever walked into Hobby Lobby and just, you know, looked around? Nope, I'm never. When we visited the home office and they took me into. They have like a mock store. They had a mock store. And I looked around and I said, this is what I see. I told the guy who owned the thing.
Starting point is 00:04:21 I said, what was his name? Green. Green. I said, David Green. I said, Green. I now know how you became a billionaire because I'm looking at all that stuff. I said, a lot of it, it's hanging in my house. That's right. You recognized it at the house, did you?
Starting point is 00:04:35 I said, Ms. Kay, I know where she shops. I said, but I've never been in a hobby lobby, ever. That's right. But it was unusual. But she wants us to film an episode. There was actually nothing in there. There was anything in there that you saw that you thought, man, I got to have it. Well, in jest, I looked over there, and I went into the woman who does all the ribbons, the tape and the ribbons for whatever people want it for.
Starting point is 00:04:59 And I just asked him, I said, let me make a guess. I bet you don't have camouflage tape. And he said, got a rack for you. And he went over there and they were looking around and they found the little section. I saw it. I was with me. She handles all tape and ribbons. So even camo was there. Cammo was there.
Starting point is 00:05:16 I've always found it fascinating that the world sells all these products on, and a lot of these companies that are not pro-Jesus. They sell products with the principles that this Bible and people, who followed Jesus Christ that they find which is the reason we're following Jesus all these benefits and principles
Starting point is 00:05:42 and you start looking and you start Googling words like forever and eternity and it's amazing that people to take your money they will put like eternity cologne
Starting point is 00:05:53 you know I think that's Ralph Lauren Lauren yeah and they're I mean when you say that you're just not thinking they're a spiritual Christ-centered bedrock, you know. And so I look at that and think.
Starting point is 00:06:07 So this cologne lasts forever. But it's not. When you die, you're going to stink. Yeah. Which. Well, they won't even make it two days and then you stink. If they went on that principle, I might can see it. But it doesn't, it's not about that.
Starting point is 00:06:19 It's just they take those biblical spiritual bedrocks. You know, Oprah Winfrey, she sells hope in a jar. That's the name of it. Hope in a jar. You put this cream on your face. And it gives you more than just not looking old. It gives you hope. Give her about 30 bucks.
Starting point is 00:06:41 And it works. Won't wrinkle. And look, here's the one I found the most fascinating. Charmin, you know, everybody needs toilet paper, right? You'd think they wouldn't have to market that. Well, they came out with a new, their big new deal. And this is what I'm getting inside for Christmas. They came out with Charmin forever.
Starting point is 00:07:03 You said, well, what is it? I saw it. It was on the stock market show that I was watching. They had a roll of toilet paper the size of a wagon wheel. But here's what's funny. The woman said, Charmin has a new product called Charmin Forever. Because I was thinking, yeah. So it's a giant roll of Charmin Toilet Paper.
Starting point is 00:07:21 You'd never get to the end of it. Well, but here's what the woman said. This is their new product. I'm watching it. And it says, Charmin, forever. And then the next statement, she said, it'll last you about a month. I thought, well, what happened to this forever stuff? Not as big a role as I thought it was.
Starting point is 00:07:40 No, you think it was a good gift for his eye because he has such bouts with diarrhea, which I don't want to get into. But I'm going to tell you, he'll go through that in a week, and he'll say, Charming Forever, no. Now, look, here's the backstory for that. You know why they named it that? Because guess who their number one competitor is? AngelSoft.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Now, just think about that. Oh, Angel So how in the world did the people at Angel Soft determine the softness of toilet paper in the angelic world? How would they know that? How do you know that it's Angel Soft? I thought you didn't even believe in angels, much less God, but you're selling paper that has the softness of angels. So you see that, you're like, well, if this is the celestial beings, what they would do, I got to have that. I just think it's all a farce. It's all about money, which is really in contrast to what we do.
Starting point is 00:08:39 A lot of people think it's all about the gifts. And some people think it's about the gift giver. I mean, the one who controls the atoms and the molecules. That's where you, I mean, I'm all for giving gifts. But I'm not going to. So are you going to get the Forever Sharma for size? Well, I am going to get that for Sight. So look, do you remember that?
Starting point is 00:09:00 Because I want to hear him say, forever. No. Do you remember that? Do you remember the episode on the show where we were filming at the Wellness Center and we were working out? We were trying to get Si and mom to work out. And we went to the pool. Jeff was on that episode.
Starting point is 00:09:13 I was on it. We went into the pool area and there was a sign that says if you've had diarrhea in the last seven days, do not get in the pool. Yeah, Size out. Well, I looked to the side and the size said, boys, I hadn't been a week without diarrhea my whole life. So it was one of the funniest. I mean, it was, people ask about... People probably think that that was set up. No, that was...
Starting point is 00:09:38 It was actually, wherever y'all were at, that's in our hometown. The Wellness Center was when it. But I loved it because that was, people asked about the show Ben's script. I was telling the truth. He just saw the side and we all started laughing because he was like, boys, I had never been a week without that diarrhea. Yeah. Which is funny.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Yeah, I remember those TV crew one time, I asked. We were in a gym and they were filming. and the sign said shorts must be worn up. And the guy was like, what is this sign on the gymnasium? I was like, well, if you're playing, you know, some people, their shorts are they're seeing their behind, you know what I mean? Sagan. Yeah, you can't play ball with the shorts below the equator. Just thought it was a good rule, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:10:33 I've seen them walking, but guys walk along. the street and they can only get they only got one free hand because their other hand is having to hold their pants up on the front because they're so low if they let go it's like when you take yours out dad it's just straight to the straight to the floor yeah that's the style that is a style in our world people they wear pants that it's impossible for them to stay up and it's it's it's the so you're one-handed you know you're well or you just say the heck with it but why not just why why even put them on yeah or why don't just send you down it's there's they're sending a message there I'm gonna wear sure what it is
Starting point is 00:11:12 that won't stay up the message is I have to hold these pants up yeah but feel there's a lot of people doing it they it's a style but duck hunting that'd be difficult because you wouldn't have it one hand to shoot with your duck call you're blowing your duck call and you hold your pants up with other it's just not wise your pants I don't have enough hands to keep my pants up figure out why they're doing it I can't really figured out. You may know. Hey, that's a wacky world out there now. So, anyway.
Starting point is 00:11:42 Answering questions. Yeah, we are. So anyway, Merry Christmas to everyone. And we hope you have a great Christmas season. We will. You know, Robertson tradition, I guess it's because we have such a big Thanksgiving with dressing and ducks and fried turkeys and, you know, kind of traditional foods, that we kind of all decided on the Robertson Christmas feast.
Starting point is 00:12:05 It's always seafood, dad usually fries shrimp or jays now. We do, you know, crab and crawfish balls, which are delicious, you know, stuffed crawfish balls. Oh, we eat bone-in rib-eyes. A lot of people get stuck on this one meal, which we'll fry a couple of turkeys for Thanksgiving. They're good. Gember does a good job.
Starting point is 00:12:26 That's my cousin. But, you know, if you're going to eat, why not eat the best of the best? That's right. Well, and that's one of the things that's obviously we can do, but, you know, looking back when Granny and Paul were alive, we did traditional same meal again. Remember we ate it all of this before.
Starting point is 00:12:42 When we were kids, you just ate whatever fish you caught. Well, and hope for the best. Mr. Zach right. Thank you, Lord. Or the giant fruitcakes. Do you remember every year Kay would say that we were so poor that we couldn't have any Christmas gifts? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:58 You did the same thing every year, and for some weird reason it worked. Then when you got something, you were thrilled. Well, you would always get something, you always thought you were. But I will say this back in, I don't know if you remember this or not, Jays, but dad, even before dad was a Christian, the one thing I always remembered as a little boy was that he still valued Christmas itself. And so when I was really, really young, you wouldn't remember because you were about three years old. But dad would take us to the movie
Starting point is 00:13:26 on Christmas Eve. Oh, I remember that. You remember that? Look. And that happened all through the early 70s. You know what was funny is it wouldn't matter what the movie was rated. No, no. Look, we were watching, I remember one Christmas movie we watched, and we were the only people in the year. Oh, yeah, no matter. Who else goes to get a movie on Christmas? Look, it was Death Wish. With Charles Bronson.
Starting point is 00:13:47 And look, I remember it because about 10 times during the movie, I would get head slapped, and when it would be Kay's, look, she would put her hand over my eyes, not because of what was seen, but what she thought was fixing to happen. And look, then she would try to get over and cover my ears, you know. I'm like, why am I here? because this is you're assaulting me during the movie and this is way before Disney movies that were at you know
Starting point is 00:14:12 every time of turn around. Well, it was whatever Phil wanted to go watch. Well, right. Charles Bonson, shoot them up. Clint Eastwood. I do remember seeing Big Jake on a Christmas Eve night, which I was a big John Lane thing.
Starting point is 00:14:24 It was a great tradition. You didn't even know you was tradition. Do you remember that? No. How do you forget that? But we never forgot it. I guess what stood out to me was dad was up you know gone a lot you know you're young life goes on but it was the one time
Starting point is 00:14:40 I felt like you committed to us like let's call yeah you will do this as a family you know look that movie was a dollar remember that east gate so one dollar one dollar and now you go there let me tell you something a dollar is going to get you they're going to call 911 and get a cop to escort you out it's a hundred dollars for popcorn a drink and two movie tickets oh exactly if you go to the regular one. So anyway. Yeah, we got, so I wanted to, we got some questions in today. I want to look at it.
Starting point is 00:15:13 Last time we answered some questions, Dad jammed one at the end, but I want to go back to that because this was a great question that I thought. And so this is somebody from your Instagram, Jason, doesn't have a name. Oh, I remember that. So they left this comment. So here's what they said. They said, basically, if you're around abroad,
Starting point is 00:15:34 brother around a Christian, and they're openly living not what Christ wants them to live. Yeah. So he said you had quoted a text at some point about that you have to get away from people that are living a lifestyle away from God. So he just said, I'm confused. Do we stay and help them? Do we get away from them? That's a good question.
Starting point is 00:15:55 It brings up that line that we all have about someone who is obviously not living the faith, and what do we do about that? Do you stay or do you flee? I'll give them the text because you got to remember, I'm not going to sit somewhere and argue with you about biblical text. I just read the text and you make up your own mind. The question was exactly what, Al, it was... Basically, when do you stay?
Starting point is 00:16:26 When do you stay? When do you flee? In other words, can you help somebody out of a bad situation? Or do you just say, you know what? I'm writing this off. I think before you read your verse, you've got to preface this with God's grace can change anybody at any moment. That's right.
Starting point is 00:16:41 At any time. And there have been people who have, you know, came to Christ and then lived like the devil. And then eventually came back. I mean, God is always saying, you know. I've converted many, many, many that, you know, some of them I would say, in fact, this may help the person. who asked the question, I've had conversation with people, and if they start to argue or get loud, I'll just say, hey, easy now, easy. Just think about it. I just give them the verses,
Starting point is 00:17:18 and my admonition is always, just think about it, don't get hostile here. I've had, I'm telling you, so many that I can't count them. Some have come back 40 years later. And they say, you remember me? Well, when I was talking with them, 40 years earlier, they were 19. Well, now they're 60. They said, you remember me? And then I'm like, well, I said, sometimes I'll say something like, your face kind of looks for me. I can't.
Starting point is 00:17:54 Which means no. It's a nice way to say. They will say, when I was 19, this story is the same over and over and over. I was 19 and you shared Jesus with me, told me about Jesus, and I got a little mad, huffy about it because all of a sudden, you know, you know, you said, but all you told me was to think about it. Well, I have. So I'm just telling you, now I'm ready.
Starting point is 00:18:19 And I had no way of remembering the conversation or the individual. And so many that goes out the roof. But the question was, when do you, when do you, you say, I'm running with the wrong bunch here. I need to back away from this particular group of people. Just remember this, Paul to the Corinthians. The context here is the gospel and some people saying there was no resurrection. There's really not going to be.
Starting point is 00:18:49 I mean, resurrection from the dead. Some are arguing about it. And he lines them out on that. Gets over toward the back, 1 Corinthians 1533. and he makes a very true comment so you'll understand is there a time when you say, I need to back away from this person or this group of individuals I've been running with. Do not be misled. Bad company corrupts good character.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Now if you take that at face value, say bad company corrupts good character. You say, are these individuals that I'm running with, I don't want to be come across like I don't want anything to do with them. Just remember, if bad company corrupts good character, don't spend an inordinate amount of time running with bad company. Come back to your senses as you ought and stop sinning, for there are some who are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame because these people were running with individuals who were telling them there's no resurrect. You can't believe everything about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And there it goes.
Starting point is 00:20:05 That's one. That's 1st Corinthians 1533, which is a good one. Well, can I jump in one? And then you go after me. Because you read 1st Corinthians 15. Yeah, I got about 5. I think these people get this from 1st Corinthians 5 because there was a situation at the Church of Corinth,
Starting point is 00:20:28 full of the Holy Spirit wrote them a letter. That was the second one I was going to mention. Go for it. All right. Well, they had sexual immorality going on. Yep. And evidently, they were saying it's not wrong. So Paul says an interesting thing in verse 9.
Starting point is 00:20:46 He says, first in him hence 5.9, I have written you in my letters not to associate with sexual immoral people. Then he clarifies. Not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral. constantly run upon them. Right. Or the greedy unswindlers or idolaters. In that case, you'd have to leave the world.
Starting point is 00:21:04 With some people in religion, that's what they do. They're like, dig a hole, make you a cave, and stay there. Because everybody's evil. But he's like, nope. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother, but who is sexual immoral, greedy, idolatier, slander, a drunkard, or swindler. With such a man don't even eat. Then this is a profound verse, verse 12 and 13.
Starting point is 00:21:28 What business is it of mind to judge those outside the church? And there's a question mark. So it infers an answer, which would be what? What business is it on mind to judge those outside? You don't have any business. It's none of your business doing that. That's right. There's one judge is Scott.
Starting point is 00:21:43 That's right. And most people in the world don't realize. They're sinful people and God will judge them, not you. And then most people don't realize this next verse. It says, God will judge those outside. Expelled. Oh, oh, I skipped the part. Then it says, are you not?
Starting point is 00:21:58 to judge those inside. Well, what's the answer? What's the understood answer? Of course. Of course. You've got a person saying, I love Jesus. He's number one in my life, but he's out there living in a way that's obvious. Because I bring up that in Galatians 519.
Starting point is 00:22:16 It says it's a list of sins. But the first phrase is really important. It says the acts of the sinful nature are obvious. Right. It is always obvious when you're doing this. something that is in direct opposition to God. So you are supposed to go to that person and say, hey, I understand, you know, you're having, you're in this sexual relationship.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Now, you're doing this brother to brother. You're not doing this in some other worlds. It's none of your business. There, you preach Jesus to them. So here's Jesus. He'll change the heart. But then they say, oh, no, it's fine. Me and God got something worked out.
Starting point is 00:22:55 No, we've got a problem. him. He's claiming to live and represent God through Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but he's not. Are you there? It says to say, no. Why are you there? The Apostle John, 1. John 3, verse 10. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are. You say, he's fixed to tell you how you can know who they belong to.
Starting point is 00:23:25 anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God, neither is anyone who does not love his brother. You say, if you're around people and as a pattern day after day after day, it's obvious. It's obvious. You say if filth is coming out of their mouth, I don't know how many I can tell you about that have walked up on me. I'm building duck calls way back and I'd stop my machines.
Starting point is 00:23:52 I'd sit down with them and start into a Bible. conversation. They came from somewhere to see me. So we're sitting there talking and the cursing was coming out of their mouth. As soon as they found out when I started talking about Jesus coming in flesh dying on the cross for you, dude, and was buried and right, as soon as they start hearing that, one out time after time after time, guess what left about this fast, all the cursing stopped. They said, uh-oh. Doesn't run up. on the wrong one. At first, they just thought I was some guy out there out here on the river building a duck collar on whiskers. But once I went spiritual with them and started pointing
Starting point is 00:24:34 them to Jesus, all their cursing dried up, which told me that they can stop doing it. That's a couple of things. Yeah, but I think that's the line that this person is talking about is the line in being an influencer, which is what you describe, a biblical influencer. In other words, they came to you, they're talking, they don't know who you are yet, but then you decide I'm going to influence them for Christ. Now they have to make a decision then whether they're going to be like, I don't get away from that guy. He's crazy, religious nut, or I want to hear more. Versus being influenced by whatever's going on in your life. You described as running with people.
Starting point is 00:25:14 So that's, you know, that's I'm at work. Filthy language is going on. I don't say anything or I participate. Now, that's the line we're talking about here. Am I an influencer? or am I being influenced by the culture? But I think a key factor for the question is how you respond to it. If somebody came to me and said, hey, if I'm in obvious immoral conduct,
Starting point is 00:25:37 and they said, Jesus wouldn't approve of that. Most people, if they love Jesus, would say, you're right. I was wrong. Well, look, God forgives you. And some people go public. That's what the response is all about. I love it, our church, people, they go down, and whatever it is, they'll spell it out in graphic detail.
Starting point is 00:25:57 And I've done it myself. And nobody's thrown, they don't start throwing rocks. They say, we love you, we forget. It's how you respond. Look, when I was about in my early 20s, we were studying with a lot of people back then because most people that age are more open to Jesus. You know, the order you get, the less people are open to it. Well, there was a girl who we had brought to the Lord about a year before that.
Starting point is 00:26:21 her name kept coming up in the Bible studies that we were having. Because these people I was telling with, they were running the bars, and we were talking about drugs, alcohol, abuse, and they were sleeping with somebody different every other night. Well, they kept saying, they said, well, one of the girls that y'all baptized, I saw her at the bar the other night.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Well, I didn't make a big deal of it, because I'm like, what's I got to do with you? You know, I'm sharing Jesus. But when I saw that girl, I said, look, I've gotten some reports. Now, I didn't go investigate. I'm not a policeman. I'm just studying with lost people,
Starting point is 00:26:57 and they keep bringing your name up, saying they're seeing you at the bars, and she was like, wasn't me. Well, about a week later, I'm studying with somebody else. Same girls. I just saw that girl, you know, at the bar. So I told Missy one night, I think it was New Year's Eve. I said, you know, that's bothered me,
Starting point is 00:27:17 that people keep saying that, then she keeps denying it. And I was thinking about that First Corinthians 5. We didn't have a lot going on. I was like, because they kept saying the specific bar. I said, let's go drive that bar and just sit out in the parking lot and see if we see her. Granted, it's not something I would do now. But so look, we go over there.
Starting point is 00:27:38 Of course, it was packed. I was sitting there maybe two minutes and guess who comes stumbling out? The girl and one of the girls we had studied with in the, past week. I thought, you have got to be kidding. Oh, the door and Mr. Like, where are you going? I said, oh, I'm going to go talk to her. So I said, I wasn't going to go in there, but I'll talk to her. And so when I walked up to her, look, when she looked at me, that her face fell. I mean, just like, oh, crap. And I thought, well, I guess I know now. And I really wasn't, you know, I loved her, and it was disappointing, but we had had a situation.
Starting point is 00:28:18 So look, I get back home. She calls me and cusses me out. How dare you judge me, you know, come up there and, you know, looking for me. Well, to make a long story short, the next week, guess where she was at? The church building walking down front, front row, her head buried on my shoulder saying, I'm sorry. And look, that was 30 years ago, and she's still to this day. Oh, yeah, she meets. Now, it's been bumpy.
Starting point is 00:28:46 It's a struggle. But it wasn't really about judging. It was about responding. We have an accusation here that you are obviously not living for Jesus. But when we confronted her, she denied it. Now, if she hadn't have come around, well, we would have had to make a decision. And when people would have asked about her, I'd have said, you know what? We don't run with her because she is living the opposite of what she says.
Starting point is 00:29:16 Let me contrast. that is another story. This is our younger brother, Jep. So Jep had a period of time where he was in the world. He was still at church or connected to the church, but he obviously wasn't living as a Christian. So he goes into a bar just to show you the difference, Jason, your purpose for going into that bar versus Jep.
Starting point is 00:29:36 So Jep goes in with Zach and some of his buddies. When he goes in, he sees some other people from church. Which is what happens. You know, he looks around. There's like four or five other guys from church. One of them is a young guy that we've been working with our whole life. He's still around. But when Jet walked up, and the reason I remember this is Jeff said this had a huge impact on him later.
Starting point is 00:29:57 He looked at Jeff and he said, man, we're so glad you're here. We need you here. Well, when Jeff said at first, he didn't know what he meant. But later he realized what that meant. He was your son. He was my brother. I was preaching for the church at the time. Jace was one of our leaders.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Willie was one of the college age leader. All these leaders at the church. here was our younger brother and he looked at him and said we need you here he knew jeb knew what that meant that means we need you here for cover because that means we're okay being here if you're here but jep said that didn't leave him i mean it bothered him because he got to thinking wait a minute is this what i'm on the wrong team i'm on the wrong team so when he came to repentance he went back to that guy you know he told me this later and he said you don't need to be going in places like that and either do i yeah it convicted him so the
Starting point is 00:30:47 The reason I bring in the story is it shows you the two things. I mean, Jeb was in there for a completely different reason. He was a part of the group there. And one of them even acknowledged that and said, you're providing cover for us. You know, you're a church, you're the son of a church leader. So I think that shows you the line I'm talking about by being an influencer,
Starting point is 00:31:05 being influenced, you know, and being changed by that. You don't want to be in the crowd of people who don't care about Jesus. At the same time, we've worked for so many. We're to be patient with them. But all scriptures God breathe, it's useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training, and righteousness so that the man of God be, our woman, be third equipped. Second Timothy, 3, 16, and 17. So we take the scriptures, and we're trying to, we use them to teach people, and we're patient with them. When they fall, we say, get back up, let's go, you're covered, you're under the grace of God, you can make.
Starting point is 00:31:47 it let's let's go so and it's just an ongoing thing and some of them it's a continual effort for 30 40 years some it's for two or three weeks in a month or two months or one year or five years it's different times but now if you just what you say what about doctrinal positions that people hold and then you bring up Jesus and they're into Hinduism Buddhism Islam and all that Well, you got a reading over in 2nd John. This is John the Apostle. Second John is a little book, First, Second, and Third John, over in your Bible. Then there's Jude, then Revelation.
Starting point is 00:32:27 So look it up. Here's John the Apostle. Many deceivers, this is written in the first century, mid-first century. Many deceivers who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh have gone out into the world. we have a position there and we run upon a group of individuals who will say God didn't become a human God didn't become, boy, you crazy, I mean, how could that? And they're arguing with you about it.
Starting point is 00:32:56 Any such person is the deceiver and the Antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for. You say, watch out that you don't lose what you've worked for. We got a person saying, Jesus didn't come in flesh. you've run up on him, he or others, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ, beginning with He was God and flesh,
Starting point is 00:33:28 does not have God. Whoever continues in the teaching has both the father and the son. Don't mess with the teaching that God became flesh and his name is Jesus. if anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching that Jesus was God in flesh, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work. Now, I'm just reading the people that's asked the questions. I'm just reading them an answer to you say, when do you say,
Starting point is 00:34:08 what do you think about Jesus? and that our guy don't believe in it. He didn't come down in it from nowhere. Well, you say, look, I would say, just think about that. I ought to check into the Bible and you read about him. You'll figure it out. And then I'm on down the road.
Starting point is 00:34:24 But I'm not inviting him to my house. Well, I think it's saying you don't approve, you're not approving of that. I mean, it doesn't mean you don't love them. Doesn't mean you don't help them. Doesn't mean you won't give them a meal. But you're drawing the line of distinction. I mean, at some point, when you have a Bible study,
Starting point is 00:34:42 all these people, even including us, were in that camp. That's right. So you have a purpose, but he's more, it's like you're not having them in your home saying, oh, it doesn't matter. That's fine. Because you're then giving approval. You know, Ephesians 5 says don't be partners with them. Well, there's a difference in saying, yep, this is.
Starting point is 00:35:07 So you find. creative ways. You got to remember, we live in an era on the spiritual side, supposedly. I call it the era of Oprah, because it's probably been about 30 years going on now, where the philosophy is all roads lead to salvation. In other words, if everybody just has their own conviction, their own truth, at the end of the day, and their own truth and their own God. And we're all going to be fine.
Starting point is 00:35:32 That's right, no problem. And then we come along and say, wait a minute, Jesus said there's only one path to salvation. And it's through me. And so that's why we point people to him. So I think that's our purpose. But on the other side of that out, there are religious people who take what Phil just read, and they become mean.
Starting point is 00:35:51 Somewhere another, they lost all the passages about loving, you know, everybody, loving your neighbor. That's a good one. Because they're like, oh, that guy don't believe in Jesus. So I'm burning the bridge right here. Well, there has to be room for God. grace or none of us would ever be converted and to me that's what gives the religion a bad name because they take one little verse and they detach it from the rest of everything else and they're just like no
Starting point is 00:36:21 and that eventually they're they're they're living in we debated with the Islamist uh oh it's been years ago uh who was a brother over Jackson street deluki deluki debated him and they said Jesus was was not God in flesh. Jesus did not die on a cross for the sins of the world. Jesus was not buried and raised from the dead. And Jesus didn't return to heaven is seated at the God's right hand. They took the scriptures and said, nope, none of that happened. Then they'd talk about Muhammad. So the debate lasted about two hours and you say, did anybody, did you win anybody out of that? Did you win it over any of the Islamists? Not a one. They gave their argument for Islam. We gave our argument for Jesus, and we went on down the road.
Starting point is 00:37:09 I didn't love them any less. We just had a discussion, and we would give them the scriptures. They would have the Quran, and they would give their scriptures about Muhammad, and we would give errors about Jesus, so we had basically a free-for-all. So you'd say debates weren't that effective in trying to reach them. They were not affected at all. Effective at all. I'm always interested in them, but it just doesn't seem.
Starting point is 00:37:34 Parable of the soul were four kinds of. people hear the gospel of Jesus. He becoming flesh, dying on the cross, being buried, the message, the planting the seed. You know, farmer sows it. Some don't get it. Don't understand it. The evil one snatches away what was sown in their heart. The second kind embrace it, but they quickly fall away because of the whirl or temptations
Starting point is 00:37:58 or whatever. Or persecution. They're in. You look around. They're gone. The third kind, that's two out of two. They're out. And the third kind, according to Jesus, are the ones that the seed was planted in the thorns.
Starting point is 00:38:10 They don't mature and grow up. So he's already told us some just don't make the cut. Well, that's three out of three. Parable of the Sower, everybody can read it. And the fourth one, though, with a good and honest heart, when the seed is planted, they produce a crop, some 30, 60, 100 times what was sown. So one out of four, not good odds, but that was Jesus talking, not me. so you can read the parable of the soar. Here's another one about the last days.
Starting point is 00:38:38 We've been in them since Jesus came. That's Hebrews 1, if you want to read it, verse 3 or 4 verses in Hebrews 1. But this is over in 2nd, Timothy 3. Here's another one. Mark this. There will be terrible times in the last days. So here's what you have.
Starting point is 00:38:56 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money. they'll be boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceded, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. you could stop there and say, good night feel, that's half of America or more. I'm just giving you the text that was written in about the mid-first century. They have a form of godliness,
Starting point is 00:39:44 but denying its power. Then there's this little statement, not mine. This is what the apostle Paul told Timothy, an apostle writing to a preacher, have nothing to do with. with them. They're the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-will women. They're loaded down with sins and they're swayed by all kinds of evil desires,
Starting point is 00:40:12 always learning, but never able to acknowledge the truth. When you read that verse that popped in my head, Missy's one of her grandmals who's since died, she had a guy, she at church. It was a little younger than she was. I mean, she was up there. She was in her high 80s. All of a sudden, he meets her church, not around here, but, you know, living way off. And befriends her and starts helping her and taking her to the doctor and just listening
Starting point is 00:40:47 to her stories. And, well, you know, I was a little dubious of that because I was like, well, why would somebody do that, you know? But he was such a great help to her that most of, you know, her family was like, well, this is awesome, you know. It's taking time. Well, because it was helping them, because she needed some help.
Starting point is 00:41:06 You either put her in her home, well, here's, you know, it seemed like God sent this, this guy. Well, after a couple years of this, they look up, you know, one night, he's gone, stole everything she got, you know, figured out a way to get her to sign over all her, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:24 the money she had in the bank. And I just thought about that. He was at church every Sunday. he carried around, acted like a servant. I think when you read those passages, these are the types of people that it's referring to because you really wouldn't have known it. It was so perfect.
Starting point is 00:41:42 His speech was so good. He knew the Bible. He was there. He was singing. He was helping. But he was in a setting where it was all a big hustle. Well, that guy's going to be hard to reach. This is not the guy you need to be running with.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Here's the way I've arranged my schedule to answer the woman's question or the man who said who do you run with who do you not run with when do you say how could you say you God so love the world if he loves everybody y'all supposed to love everybody I do but just think about this here's my current lifestyle you say do you are you in company with a lot of people in the world who are full of sins all the time but when I'm in their company I have this Bible in front of me, and they're seated right there, and I've got the floor, they can tell their story as much as they want to. They can get up and leave when they want to. They can say,
Starting point is 00:42:41 I don't want to hear any of this. I ask them to sit down, Ms. Kay will line somebody up. They'll come down every week, every week, every week. The ungodly come. When I go out to speak, I'm speaking. There's a big audience. You say, well, you know, is anybody out there, you know, Is any of you guilty of sin? You know, sometimes they all raise their hand. Anybody in here has never sin, made a mistake in their life? Most of the time, their hands are down. I'm speaking to godly and ungodly.
Starting point is 00:43:14 They're in groups. So I just deliver it. Tell them that God loves them. I love them. And here's the message. And I'm on down the road. Because you can't see the heart, you know? But every day, I'm not, no, I'm letting God save them.
Starting point is 00:43:27 I can't save them. I'm just giving them the message. preach the gospel on down the road. Now, day to day, you say, do you run with the ungodly? No. They may come down two or three day period, visit something. We line up, something. And I'm around them two or three days, preach the gospel to them.
Starting point is 00:43:43 And they're on about their ways. Some are converted. Some are not. But the people in my inter circle is Ms. Kay, y'all's mother, y'all, the cameraman here, who are good, godly guys, you say, do you run with the, ungodly at any time and I say it helps when you live at the end of civilization as we know it I didn't I didn't just stagger down here I came down here on purpose people don't drive by your house you know why because if they do they're the river river yeah I deal with the ungodly if they
Starting point is 00:44:20 know me they'll watch their mouth around me if they don't know me they'll start cursing and I'll figure out a way to start telling them about Jesus to see if I can convert them so the filth will drive up or they're talking about women and their profanities coming out of them. You see what I'm saying? So if I were succinctly pulling this together to close us out, it would be that when Jason and I were in school, they taught us there was a phrase they used it was, context is king.
Starting point is 00:44:48 And so when you're studying the Bible, you understand the context of what's being written. I think when we live our lives, context is king. Dad moved down here on the river originally to get away from his old dream. drinking buddies. That is correct. We used to run with. I withdrew from him. He withdrew from them. But over the over the last 45 plus years, it's amazing how many people come down here. Thousands. Thousands have come here to be influenced and impacted by the gods. That is correct. So there is a time to flee and there is a time to impact and share Jesus, which is all the time. So hopefully that helped you, whoever you are. Thank you for the question and all the other questions. We got some really
Starting point is 00:45:26 good ones that we want to deal with. I love it. Keep sending them. Keep replying on wherever you watch the podcast because we're getting them and we're working them into the slot to talk about it. It's a great way to discuss the Bible. So thank you for tuning in to Unashamed. Merry Christmas and we'll see you next time. We are so glad you're watching and listening to the Unashamed podcast.
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