Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 397 | Phil’s Encounter with a Suicidal Man & Jase’s Words of Hope and Life

Episode Date: December 15, 2021

Phil and Jase discuss their golf adventures, and Jase clarifies that in order to be mad, you must first be good. Phil shares Jesus with a listener who wanted to take his own life, then explains why we should look to the Bible in times of need. Jase has thoughts on how we should give people words of life and open new doors for them. Phil and Jase discuss the origin of “no stone left unturned.” Jase and Al explain why it is difficult to understand Matthew 23. And Phil reminds us that God does not live in the temples and churches, but within us. Read the first chapter of "Uncanceled" by Phil Robertson now: https://philrobertson.substack.com/p/uncanceled-chapter-one The ONLY place to get "Your Daily Phil" by Phil Robertson in time to start off your new year: https://talkshop.live/watch/QID3D1y77yHJ  - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? All right. So, Jace, I am, I've been scrambling today. I'm back at my southern home, southern layer. So I was, I woke up this morning. I was getting excited about our podcast today because we've got Matthew 24 and 25 coming up. It's a great text. Most people don't like it, but when you're a preacher, you know, text like that excites you. So I get up and all of a sudden. just outside my house, I hear this loud. I mean, it's like a chainsaw on steroids. So I walk outside and there's a bunch of guys

and they've got concrete saws and jackhammers. And they decided today to fix all the curbs in my neighborhood. I think you may be living in a yuppie neighborhood. Well, you talk about loud. I never have done a lot of concrete saws and jackhammers, but I'm just tell you. It's loud. So I called our old buddy Anthony down the peninsula. I said, hey, you still got a place down there.

Mike could come to a podcast today and you say, yeah, come on. So I'm in that same room. You and I were in this past summer. So are you playing golf after the podcast? That's the question. You know, it would be a great story if that were true. But no, unfortunately, I don't have enough daylight left once this is all said and death. A weird form of torture, if you're a golfer and you go do a podcast from a golf course

and you're watching people tee off out the window, but you never play. Yeah, literally, literally right over my right shoulder, Jay's, they're teeing off as we speak, right down number one on Marsh, which we know so well. It's not like going to your favorite restaurant and just watching other people eat. Yeah, I've never done, I've never done golf. I did. Tommy asked me to go one round with him over in Texas. Oh, you did it?

Is there footage of this? No, they ended up wouldn't worth footage. Was this before the development of a camera? No cameras. And I just walked it all out with him and chased the ball and all that stuff. Did y'all have electricity at this time? Oh, yeah. Oh, it was a first-class deal.

But he just said, let's see what you got there. So I went through the rigors of that. one round, but I left there saying this probably would be fun if you knew how to do it. Yeah. But when you don't know how to do it, it was just... You know what, Phil? That's very profound and true. Just a fiasco.

I see people that go out there that have absolutely zero skills and that they're so frustrated. Yeah. I always tell them the same thing. I'm like, you're not good enough to be mad. I told him, I said, I have nothing against you for doing this, but leave me out when comes to this particular sport. I'm out. Yeah.

So I tried it one time. That's it. It was a laugh. We all laughed. Well, I'd pay a lot of money if I could have seen that. Like, if somebody would have filmed it. I mean, it goes without saying, if I had started from a young boy swinging at golf clubs, I'd be fair, you know. Yeah.

And you play the game and you just go, all right, I got a 60 before. Okay. But now, but you go long enough. like I was, I was 60 years old and I said, what? Let me see that. Oh, this was fairly recently. Yeah, that was 15 years ago. Oh, where was I at?

I don't know. I don't even know what I was doing there. Yeah. I'd have gone on the golf course. That's the bigger question is why were you there? Well, Tommy was a pretty good golfer. Jason, we played with Tommy a few times. He's pretty good.

But typically if you're athletic, you can swing a club. You're not going to be good, but, I mean, can usually get, you know, hit the ball if you've got some form of athleticism. Willie told me one time y'all were in Minnesota, he was doing something. Y'all were on a, doing a speaking gig, Dad. And he said he was hitting some balls and you came out there and he said, you teed one up and hit about 300 plus yard just the first time you ever swung a golf club is what he said. Yeah, I mean, I remember that?

I would hit a straight one every once in a while. But it would take practice to do that. every time. Exactly. Too much, too much practice and too much time learning how. So what did you do this weekend? Well, we've mainly, we've got water being pumped 24-7. Because we're in the split for every one of your duck hunter followers.

We like dry years, but we need majority of the land at least four to 12 inches deep, which we don't have at this current time because it's been pretty dry. Well, we came up with a slogan, the first. week of the split. Al, do you know what it is? No, what is it? If you flood it, they will come. Yeah.

We got two problems over there as far as the kind of hunting we do. There is a almost 100%, not quite. There's about three to five percent of the trees down there that have acorns. Now, that's over 90 percent of them, all trees, big trees. There's no acre. none. Burrell said in Colorado, no acres, no acres on the trees. So it's a nationwide phenomenon. Well, my buddy in Kansas, they got acres. Do they? Yeah. There you go. And guess what else they got? Ducks. Yeah. We're out of acres, so the woodies are not there like they usually are in masses.

So our primary duck, go-to duck is a woody when all else fails, but now. We have grass, grass patches. We're flooding grass. But you've got to have food and water. So what did you preach on this Sunday? Well, you don't preach. You just kind of talk, right? I basically, I told him yesterday that I'm not a bona fide.

Somebody told me that I actually was. But so I may be a preacher. As far as the government is concerned, they would probably say he's a preacher. but I don't even claim that much about that. But anyway, I spoke on the resurrection because there was a guy there. Some woman said there's a guy that wants to talk to you, Mr. Robinson. So I go back there. This is before we started meeting, you know, and sing a few songs and whatever.

And when he stood up, he said he'd been watching our podcast. And this basically was his last hope. He said he was thinking about taking his own life. Oh, wow. I'm not going to mention his name, but I know this. So was he from around here? Florida. Oh, really?

Go from Florida. Drove from Florida. And in tears, he told me, I have nowhere to go. I've lost all hope. So I said, you sit down. And I said, Burl's going to sit and talk to you, old Burleigh Dane, the duck hunts with us. So he sat down with him, make sure he understood Jesus and what he's done for him. So he came to a knowledge of the truth.

He repented and Burrow baptized him. And they went out and had a meal. And he just wanted to thank us. Thank you, y'all. I'll thank all of us for taking the time out to point people to Jesus because he was without hope and was saying, what's the use? So we showed him that he does have worth, just stay the course, follow God, and you'll be okay. And then I spoke on the resurrection from 1 Corinthians 15 because some of the Corinthians were saying there is no resurrection.

That's just too far-fetched. So the Apostle Paul addressed that. Starts with the gospel. Jesus died was buried and raised from the dead. And then the exact wordage was, now if it's preached that there's a resurrection of the dead, how come some of y'all saying there is no resurrection? I've often said because I've unfortunately, or I guess fortunately through God's eyes, I had to talk with people who are struggling with suicide thoughts.

Yep. But there's a lot of Bible verses because God made this spiritual death connection. You know, I think about that 2nd Timothy too when he said, here's a trustworthy saying, if we die with him, we will also live with him. And you think about all the verses that say, you know, anyone who would come after me must deny himself. Or when Jesus said, bring your cross. Take up your cross. Yeah.

And where was that? The one in Philippians where he says when Paul said he made the reference of dying with Christ. What was that? Philippians 2. 10. I want to know Christ in the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of. of sharing in his suffering, becoming like him in his death. Yeah.

And you think Romans 6, where it says, if we died with him, we also lived with him. So I've told people when they're, I think God uses that as a draw, because they're thinking, well, I just want to end my physical life. And then all of a sudden they hear about God's grace and Jesus on a cross, being the ultimate sacrifice, innocent, dying for them, being resurrected. and they're like, oh, I can actually die a spiritual suicide in Christ and keep living. And not only that, it'll live forever. Then when it comes to the physical, it's the opposite of suicide,

which is you get your body resurrected. I mean, I just think that's neat the way God knew there would be some people out there thinking, I just can't, I can't go on, I can't go on. And then he offered a way to spiritually die and start over. Yep. So that's good. Yeah, that's good. Well, it's pretty neat to be able to think that you play a role and, you know,

giving somebody words of life, literally. Literally just think about it. I mean, what we've been talking about on here has opened up a door and an opportunity, you know, for this guy to understand there's something deeper. we get a lot of questions from people about suicide. You know, there's different, I guess there's different circumstances for everything. Sometimes people are suffering from some kind of, you know, mental problem. Sometimes people get on a certain medicine and it makes them go crazy.

We've had some people for WFR that just, you know, they weren't themselves and they took their lives. And a lot of people would say, well, that's it. You know, there's no way to have hope for that. But I just don't believe that's true. I mean, the Bible, I don't have any different from some other physical ailment that gives you these issues or problems. So I always say the best thing for anybody is hope. I never want to take that away from people. So to somehow have this, you know, kind of a legalistic thing that will, you know, if the last act you commit is a sin, there's no way you can be in heaven.

That's looking at it from the old way that somehow works or what saves us. So, you know, I get a lot of questions about it and I've answered several emails, but this is one of those situations. since we were talking about it, that it's a little more complex than that in terms of what goes on in people's minds, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I think about that. Galatians 2.20 is another one, which it says, I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God he loved me and gave himself for me. So when you think about Jesus gave his life for us, he allowed that to happen.

Interesting point, since you brought it up right there. In Matthew 24 and Matthew 25, what everybody seems to forget, the kingdom was not there yet. Our king has not become king yet. He has to die, be buried, and raised from the dead. But he said it was near several times. Oh, it said it over and over and over and over. It's near.

But when you read what Mark said, first sentence, the beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God. The beginning. But he has not to the end yet because he hasn't died yet. When you get to Matthew 24, before you get there, just think about another little statement of Mark's, the time has come, he said. Where's that?

This is in Mark chapter 1. So when you want to talk about time, the time has come, the kingdom of God is near. Well, when you get to Matthew 24, the kingdom of God has not come yet. They've got to go up, they've got to wait in Jerusalem. They're going to receive power. and that's when Jesus is talking about returning. He's in Matthew 24 and 25. He's going to return in power.

Hurricane force winds, everybody's speaking in the language of the entire world. There is a big happening in Acts chapter 2 after Jesus died, was buried and raised from the dead, not before. So that's what he's, and I'll go through it. Will you step by step? Hang on, Dad. Let's take a break.

It won't take long to get through this. The Roman Empire was ruled by two emperors. Augustus, when Jesus was born, about 17 or 18 years later, Tiberius took over. Jesus lived his life under these two Roman Empire big dogs. he lived his life then he died, was buried and raised from the dead. The promised kingdom

of Daniel 2, Daniel said four empires after years, Nebuchadnezzar four after years is when the king will come. He will establish a kingdom that will last forever. Matthew 24 this has not happened yet because he's gone up to Jerusalem

and the chief priest and teachers of the law that he's arguing with and talking about the destruction of the temple, not only did he do away with the temple, literally rock after rock removed all the way to the bottom. Josephus, the historian, said, when the gold melted and the fire got hot, when they finally set the whole thing of fire, they breached the walls,

and they set a big fire. Well, what happened was all that gold and stuff that was in there that the Jews had in the temple ran down in the cracks of them of the stones, Al, and they were tearing them away one or the time to get to that gold. That's how one stone was not left on top of another one. So where did he say that on the one stone, not left on? He said it a couple places. Do you have that, Al?

What starts right there in Matthew 24 or one and two, he says it. Oh, okay. He says, well, yeah, he left the temple, was walking away. and his disciples came up to him, oh, to call his attention to its buildings. Do you see all these things, he asked? I'll tell you the truth. Not one stone here will be left on another.

Everyone will be thrown down. I read the same thing about that history, which, look, when you read what happened in Jerusalem in AD 70, which it was a war that lasted from when, 66 to 73, I think. But in 70, they got the temple. And that's how I read the same thing. Because a fire broke out, they're in there getting all the loot.

And the question that was that they asked Jesus when he said, not one stone will be left on top of another one. What they said was, when's that going to happen? is that going to happen? So it wasn't like a thousand years from now. Some people say... Well, it happened pretty quickly after that. Well, yeah.

So in order to establish a new kingdom, the old kingdom has to go. Well, the final crushing of the Jews and their hardheadedness and their stubbornness, God not only brought us out from under the law, he brought us out from under the place where the law was coming from. It's from their own midst of Jews.

Jesus is way over here. He's the one that authorized. He's one that wrote the law of Moses. But none of them kept it. And he says, not only will I get you out from under the law, there will be no temple for you, for the law to come forth from.

How do you know that? And what he's saying is from now on, from Acts chapter 2, After he died, was buried and raised from the dead. That's the gospel of the kingdom that was established with power. The day of Pentecost, there was a lot of power going on there. You can't have a kingdom without a king.

So that's when the kingdom, there were members of, started. And guess what? Instead of a building, just quoted this other day in that Hebrew 3, we are the house of God. and in Second Corinthians, check us out. Second Corinthians about six. Let me see. And then I'll shut up.

Well, I was just trying, before you, while you're looking that up, you know, I asked Missy, I was like, what do you think about Matthew 24? And she said, it's very hard to understand. Because she's familiar with, you know, all of a sudden, he draws attention to this temple. And he makes that statement. which he says it in John and Mark. I actually didn't realize I had forgotten that he said it here, too, about the not one stone will be left on another.

So if you do the math, he's, what is he, 33 here, Al? Close to it. 32 or 33. Yep. Now the calendar's kind of wonky. I don't want to get into that. But they say, you know. Two, three years either way.

Yeah, maybe four. Not much. So roughly, what is that? 40 years later, after the, this statement, there literally was not one stone left on another. So when Jesus does away with the Roman, with the Jewish so-called empire and the temple comes down, how do you evaluate the text like the Apostle Paul is talking? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols?

for we are, we are the temple of the living God. Well, to have a kingdom of the living God, you say, who's the king? The one who died, was buried and raised from the dead. That's how he became the king of the kingdom, and everything we do and go around, we're the temple of the living God, and God said, I will live with them, He's done with the hard-headed Jews and the stone temple.

He's done with that. That's over. He's done away with that. And we walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people. Therefore, come out from them and be separate. Live a godly life in Christ, Jesus, and love God and love your neighbor, or the tenets of the temple of God, which Jesus brought forth, and it's us. And that way, that knocks you worrying about all this time or when's it going to happen.

Look, you know, it wasn't a second coming when this went down. We're still here. The kingdom of God is still here. I'm talking to two members of it. Here we are, and many more like us. And you say, we never did look at y'all and think of you as a kingdom. You say, our king is at the right hand of God mediating for us, Acts chapter one, getting close to the exact time, when will this be? He said, wait right here. What about the kingdom, Lord? Wait right here.

You'll receive power and you'll understand it. Jesus came in power, in spirit. I mean, miraculous events were happening just jumping up and down. The people are all our what in the world. But I think the reason this is so confusing people is because the implications, a lot of what he's talking about here mirrors what will happen when he comes back. I mean, there's no doubt the application is the same. But we know it wasn't the second coming because we're still sitting here and he hasn't shown up yet. Well, we don't even think it. I mean, he, it's what he, in verse 37 of 23, he says, oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those who sent to you how often I have longed to gather your children together as a hen gathers or chicks

he's saying i hate to do this to you i hate to do this to you well and it wasn't him directly you know the romans when you read what happened in that siege which is very depressing and but i i would i would give advice if people are trying to understand matthew 23 24 and 25 they need to go read what happened i read the josephi pho seafes i read the joseph account, who was a part of the siege where the Romans came in. I mean, they were, they were in a war, not unlike any other war that's been in the history of mankind, but this was all centered around the Jewish people protecting their religion, but they were doing it not for the name of Jesus. Here's a great text. And the Romans come in and the scrap broke out. And the Romans come in,

and the scrap broke out, and then starvation started happening for months. And finally, I mean, you read the whole thing, it's a depressing war. So look, by the time you get to- Hang on, Dan. Hang on, Dan. Let's take a break. By the time you get to Matthew 26, those who had arrested Jesus, he said they were going to do that, took him to Caffas, the high priest, where the teachers of the law and the elders had assembled. But Peter followed him at a distance right up to the court yard of the high priest. priest. We were at that temple again. He entered and sat down with the guards to see the outcome. The chief priest and the whole Sanhedron were looking for false evidence. Jesus said they were going to

do that. That's why I brought it up when we were back in Matthew 24 speaking about these things. I brought it up that remember, this is before Jesus died, was buried and raised from the dead. Now we're even closer. They brought up false evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death, which was the reason he came, but they didn't know that. But they did not find any. Though many false witnesses came forward, they're all liars, but they're in doing this inside that structure that Jesus said will come down. So watch.

Finally, two came forward. This is Matthew 26, verse 61, and declared. Now, watch what they say, Al. This fella, that's what they call the king. king. This fellow said, I'm able to destroy, I'm able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days. He's an idiot. He's a nut. That's what they're saying about Jesus as this thing unfolds. Well, that tells you right there, whatever's fixing to happen is fixing to happen in a hurry. That's why Mark said in 9-1, he said, these things are showing.

surely come to pass, but some of you will see this before you die. You're going to witness this. Well, he even says that in 24 in verse 32. He said, learn this lesson from the fig tree. As soon as its twigs get tender and the leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near right at the door. I tell you the truth, here's the key statement. This generation will certainly not.

pass away until all these things have happened. Yeah. So look. What do you think that means? Well, Jesus and Matthew 26, after I just got through saying, they got through saying, he's saying he's going to destroy the temple of God and rebuild him three days. The high priest stood up and said to Jesus, are you not going to answer? What's this testimony that these men are bringing against you?

but Jesus remains silent. He's got to push this through. His death and his resurrection. The high priest said to him, I charge you under oath by the living God. Tell us if you are the Christ, the son of God, which was the whole problem they had. Yes, it is as you say.

I am, basically he's saying, I am the king of the kingdom. Watch. Jesus replied, but I say to all of you, In the future, after he dies or during, right after his death, burial and resurrection, you will see the son of man sitting at the right hand of the mighty one and coming on the clouds of heaven. Well, I think that's when Jesus said, adios, when they asked about the kingdom, he said, wait right here, you'll receive power.

And he took off into the clouds. And you say, and the next time he showed up was when the wind started at, at hurricane force winds, people speaking in all the languages of the world. And the gospel begins to be preached, and 3,000 were the first members of the kingdom of God, and it's still here to this day, and three of us are talking about it. I think most people, when they read this, and you start bringing up the destruction of Jerusalem in 80, 70, people don't, they're not familiar with that. That's why I recommended somebody read it.

It was a death blow, a death blow. to the Jews and their thinking. He said, I'm going to bring the whole apparatus, not only the law, but the temple and my people, that's going to be my house and my temple. Yeah. And I'm going to work through them, and it's a very powerful thing. I'm not ashamed of the gospel. The name of this is unashamed.

You say, three members of the kingdom of God talking it over. I'm not waiting for thousands of years before Jesus. up the kingdom. He's already done that. I'm just trying to explain it for people who may not be familiar with all this to simplify it because it seems a little overwhelming and complex. Not one stone will be left on top of another, and he pointed at a structure, a man-made structure. When the smoke cleared, about 30 years, 30 to 40 years later, when the smoke cleared, there was not one stone left on top of another that thing. I think it's pretty simple. Well, you say, out in Jerusalem in Jerusalem yeah at the temple yeah because he says it and then the disciples ask him

when is this going to happen and what's the sign to let us know when's it coming down and so the rest of 24 most of the rest of 24 is him telling them that that's correct you know now we know it's not the second coming as you mentioned earlier because in the second coming he says you won't know when that's going to happen that's right right so so We know this is unique to this situation. And the earth will not be blown away and be bare the description of second Peter. That's when Jesus shows up. The entire cosmos is going to be swept away out, way bigger than the destruction of Jerusalem.

He said, I'm going to sweep it away, and I'm going to give you a new home of righteousness. So I guess what about when you read in verse 30L of 24? And it says at that time, the sign of the son of man will appeal. appear in the sky because this is right after all this the sun will be dark and the moon will not be given it light the stars will fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies will be shaken so we're saying he's quoting that Isaiah as kind of an apocalyptic viewing of what's fixed to happen here that's right 30 something years but then it says the son of man will appear in the sky and the nations of the earth will mourn, they will see the son of man coming with clouds of the sky

with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds from one end to the other. So what I'm saying is when somebody reads that, they're like, well, what are you talking about? That is the second coming. It's got to be the end of time. Right. Right.

And the only thing I could say, you mentioned it. I mean, it's mentioned all through Isaiah and Jeremiah, different places. about this language of the idea of God coming down in time, I in time, you know, having a judgment, you know, because later on he's going to mention Noah and the flood. I mean, that was the same idea, same concept. But I would say, as you keep reading, when you get down to 34, as dad mentioned earlier, I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Yeah, that's why I read that earlier. That's why when he appeared to Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus, Jesus himself appeared. Well, let's see. I guess that's his second coming then because he came back and he got old Apostle Paul on the road to Damascus. What return was that? I mean, where's that fit in and all this? You're like, who was it that said, you know, what are you doing?

You know, who are you? He said, I'm Jesus, the one you're persecuting. Well, what coming is that? What my point is, the final coming of Jesus, the whole world is going to know about it out. It's going to be way more than the temple coming down. He's going to take it all down and start all over again. And he's going to give us looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness. That's the result of the final coming of Jesus.

For the people who are new... Hang on, Jay. Let's take another break. The people are new to the faith. You know, we're giving you all these, I guess, arguments on disagreements that people have on what this means. But Phil was referencing, there's a verse in Hebrews 9, 27, that says, just as man is destined to die once. And after that, to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins. of many people. There's his death,

burial and resurrection. Well, but I'll just forget this phrase. Keep going. And he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. So a lot of people believe

in Matthew 24 that this is talking about Jesus' second coming. The same one the Hebrew writer is referring to. The problem of that is he just said in 34 Matthew that this generation won't pass away until you see this happen so it becomes confusing because he's using the same language as Jesus coming on the clouds but you got to remember

where this started he was they were looking at some buildings and he said you see these buildings and he points to the temple and says not one stone will be left on another and it's not something that he didn't mention before those other passages that that that I referenced difference before. What was that in John when he said, you know, they thought he was crazy because he, yeah, John, too, the disciples came to him and Jesus, I think the Jews had said, what miraculous sign can you show to prove your authority over all this? Because that's when he cleared the temple, cleared the temple. You see that theme here. Yeah. And Jesus answered, will destroy this. temple and I will raise it again in three days and Jews replied it is taking 46 years to build this temple so they're we're back this is John too and this was early on yep and they're trying to get their head wrapped around this but Jesus knew that would come a day in in in a recent

period of time and they didn't think he had the power or the know it the knowledge that that's going to happen they said they're going to get rid of the well right that thing's not going to fall down, not ever. Look at it. And the bottom line is, the Jewish nation at that time at Jerusalem, due to old-fashioned selfishness, were not acknowledging Jesus as the son of God. And to this day, they remain... Well, in general, yeah. They remain hard-headed. Yeah, well, in general. But the point is, because of that, what happened? When Jesus'

is not your Lord, what happens? Sin usually reigns. You put your faith and trust in created things rather than the Creator. And we know where we're going with this. So here they are worshiping this temple instead of the one who built the temple. And I mean by that, the atoms and the molecules that are created the universe. Because look, that's why in Matthew 24, this is a verse I use. I probably shouldn't, but in a funny way, just about a general truth in life that Matthew 24 and verse 28, I mean, I've used this 100 times. But it says wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather. So here you have a dead, you know, without Jesus, we're dead.

So here. But I want to make a point. So who are the vultures here? I believe it's the Romans who came in and God used them or allowed it to happen, didn't stop it from happening to create mayhem and misery in Jerusalem. Yep. So here's a wonderful text to sum it all up. Peter's talking in 1st Peter chapter 2. As you come to him, now watch how this reads, the living stone.

You're like, I wonder why he would say that. He's the living stone. Rejected by men, we read about it in Matthew 24, but chosen by God and precious to him. You also, check this out, Jace, like living stones. We're the reverse of the stone removal. We're added to the building, which is the kingdom of God. Now watch. You also like living stones, check this out.

We're lowly rednecks, Jace. We've got to admit it. We're being built into a spiritual house to be, uh-oh, we're also priests. A holy priesthood. Not like that first one. Offing spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Not worrying about picking a few grains of wheat up on a Saturday and you're like, oh, you're doing on a what are you doing?

Acceptable to God through Jesus. Jesus Christ, for in scriptures it says, I lay a stone with stones in mine in Zion, a chosen and precious stone, and the one who trust in him will never be put to shame. Now, you do who believe this stone is precious, but to those who do not believe, well, here's your Jews again and any Gentile. The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone. They stumble because they disobeyed by the message. That was when they was talking to the Jews and to this day, Jew or Gentile, which is also what they were destined for.

But you, here we are again, a chosen people, royal priesthood, holy nation, a people belonging to God so you may declare the praises of him who caused you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God. We're the temple of the living God instead of a building which is here today and gone tomorrow. We will be here forever. And I'm about three quarters fired up about the whole thing.

Let's take our last break, Jason. Well, it's a temple that can't be destroyed by a fire. I love it. Or because you possess the Holy Spirit. We're stones. That's why when Peter preached that sermon said it was impossible for death to keep its hold on Jesus. And you, because we have the same spirit that he does and what we made reference to that. And Al, why would spiritual suicide?

But you have God's spirit, the same spirit, Romans A. 11 that caused Jesus to come back to life is living in us. It will give life to our mortal body. So you think about any kind of war. Why would Peter use those rocks as a teaching point about the real kingdom of God, the building of God and a priesthood, royal priesthood, holy nation, chosen people, brick at a time, brick at a time. But it's people, the kingdom of God works through people. Jesus and us, we and Jesus, telling people that they can live forever if they put their faith in him.

Well, to get back to the context here, so what do I mean, I don't really have a problem when people go here and they preach this as the second coming, although I think they should say he was specifically talking about what was going to happen in Jerusalem. them. But that doesn't mean, because I think a lot of people are uncomfortable drawing attention to what happened in AD 70 because they think, well, so you're saying none of this is dealing with a second coming. I mean, the discussions I've had, and people have gotten hot. You know, they're like, because they're preaching that these are the signs of what's going to happen in the future. But I'm saying this is real. This is, I would say most. Religious people, Al, believe and have preached sermons saying that Jesus right here is talking about something that has yet not happened in our society. Would you agree with that?

No, I agree 100%. And, I mean, eschatology is what it's called. This is one of the biggest things going with a lot of groups. But I do think they miss it. Although, like you said, Jay, I mean, the application is fine. that Jesus is coming back. He is coming back with angels. I mean, we do have texts to tell us that.

But I'm like, you, I think you missed something. If you look at the context of this and it's clear, Matthew 24, he's talking about one specific thing. He's talking about the end of a kingdom. In fact, Dad, you've mentioned it before in Daniel. I mean, he specifically lays out who's going to be in charge when this goes down. So you can't really make that application all the way to the end of time, even though when you get over into Matthew 25,

which we'll talk about more next time, he is giving you some application that, look, just like they needed to be ready for what was coming for them in the destruction of Jerusalem, we have to be ready for when he's going to come back whenever that is. So application is fine. What's misleading is when they say second. They should say there is a final appeal.

But they're getting that from Hebrews 9. It does say he will appear a second time. Yeah. That's where they're getting that. That's where they're getting from. That's why I read that. Well, that second time is the final time. But they got it.

I know. But what I'm saying is that's why this is, you know, I didn't have any prep for this today because this is difficult because most people tend to just jump in this argumentative style because they've been taught this a certain way. Which is okay. But I tell people, look, go read the history. of what happened in AD 70. Then read the prophecies of the ones that were fulfilled in Jesus, and then read everywhere Jesus refers to what would happen to the temple. And then just look at it and you say, you know,

I believe Jesus accurately depicted what happened. Now, you either got to say, that's a crazy coincidence. Or at best, it was some kind of shadow that happened in the history of that time that would then implicate sort of what would happen at the vinyl coming of Jesus, which, look, I don't, like I said before, it doesn't really bother me because the bottom line is if you put your faith and hope and trust in Jesus and you realize that we are the living temple of God, Hebrews 3, that he lives, we house Jesus, which is what they were missing.

we are the temple. Yeah. I mean, I don't care how we get there with Jesus being the center. I really don't. This is as long as we get there. You don't want to have a temple filled with gold that you're protecting and are neglecting and ignoring the savior of the world, the son of God. That's what happened.

That's what happened there. That's what's going to happen in this life. There are people who are going to go around and pursue money and power and I'm talking about earthly power, and Jesus will come back and they'll look up and say, what happened? Yeah, it'll be the same story. So that's why I'm saying.

It doesn't bother me, but when you read, to be fair to what Matthew is writing under the influence of the Holy Spirit, to not say that they're discussing what's going to happen to this temple here, I just don't think it would be fair. And I would say,

most scholars admit that. Yeah. You know, so it's more in the churches than the day-to-day preaching. It's just so easy to put the fear of the Lord in people by preaching Matthew 24. I mean, you just think about it. It's a scary thing to read. You're like, oh, boy. And then when you read what happened in AD 70, that was one of the most depressing.

You're talking about R-rated movie. Just show what happened in the destruction of the temple when, when Rome first started off starving the people for months. Millions died over there. And some of them turned into cannibals. And it's a miserable story of what happened. And eventually it led to the temple being burned to the ground. Never to be put back.

Yeah. So did I miss something? Well, you make a good point, just because when you think about this concept or idea, like one is in the field and one is taken. and one is here and one is taken. And so we know how that's kind of played itself out in terms of people looking at it. And there's a fear.

That's a great point you brought up about fear. But when I look at all the passages in the New Testament that talk to me about salvation, I don't see fear. I see joy at the coming of Jesus. So again, this is a specific event that had a lot of fear and dread associated with it. But even for the believers, they were going to get a sign to know it was about to happen. And by the way, Josephus talks about so many believers getting out of Jerusalem before it ever went down because they read the signs and they knew. Which is what Jesus is point was.

I mean, this doesn't nullify. Matthew 24 and 25 does not nullify that God loves everybody, that he chose a plan and a person, you know, himself, Jesus, to save everybody. And that he sincerely wants to save everybody. But there is an honest truth. If you ignore God, nothing good is going to happen to you. That's it. You think about it.

Nothing good is going to happen. Your life will be, will end. It probably won't be very fulfilling. It'll be filled with a lot of ruin and misery. And at the end of the day, you're hopeless. It's just over. Stephen had it right when he was in Acts chapter, 7, verse 48. However, the most high does not live in houses made by men. As the prophet says,

heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? Says the Lord, or wherever my resting place be. Has not my hand made all these things? You stiff-necked people with uncircumstized hearts and ears. You're just like your fathers. You always resist the Holy Spirit. Was there ever a prophet? Your fathers did not persecute. They even kill those who predicted the coming of the righteous one. And now you've betrayed and murdered him.

You who have received the law that was put into effect through angels but have not obeyed. That's a pretty good little text to read when we're discussing what we're discussing. You know what I mean? Because really, God's looking at that temple saying, So you think you're going to pile up a bunch of rocks right over there, and that's going to make you somebody. God says, you have missed everything. So I'm just saying, Jace, the more you look at it, the more it adds up to,

God doesn't live in temples made by hand. He lives in us. And where is kingdom? And he's our king, and it's going to stay that way until the whole thing ends. The final coming, all this is going to be settled. I think we're on pretty safe ground here. I love the ones who got the thing down a thousand years later. He's going to rain a thousand years.

I don't believe it. Nope. And I guess to quote our old mentor, Bill Smith, these are things to put in your hum box just to consider, you know, from our study. So all right, we're out of time. The patrons here are getting fired up with Peninsula. So I guess I better run. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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