Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 398 | Jase’s Scathing Email to the ‘Duck Dynasty’ Producers & Phil’s Take on Spiritual Sacrifices

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

Jase shares a preacher story with an interesting twist at the end. Al recalls his grandfather always “resting his eyes” in church. Jase recounts the email he sent to a producer of "Duck Dynasty" once he saw that they bleeped Korie during the first season. Phil, Jase, and Al discuss the different kingdoms that have risen and fallen, but how the kingdom of God will not collapse. And Jase expounds on not believing in buildings but rather believing within yourself, and Phil backs him up with a quote from 2 Corinthians 6. Read the first chapter of "Uncanceled" by Phil Robertson now: https://philrobertson.substack.com/p/uncanceled-chapter-one The ONLY place to get "Your Daily Phil" by Phil Robertson in time to start off your new year: https://talkshop.live/watch/QID3D1y77yHJ  - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I've moved locations. The last podcast from my end was a disaster. I apologize to the audience. I went to Peninsula thinking I was going to find a nice little quiet alcove and it turned into some kind of Christmas party or something. I don't know what happened. But we had a lot of noise on my end. So, Jace, you'll be, you'll be happy. So I thought, where can I go? Because my house is still, I woke up this morning. this jackhammers and concrete soles literally my house is vibrating so i thought last night i was like man i got to go somewhere so someone one of my neighbors said you need to find a church building because it's always quiet there and then i thought man part of that made me sad and then part of it

made me glad because i thought where do we want to go that's the most quiet place on the planet about a church building so the good folks at first baptist golf shores have given me a room So it is much quieter. Maybe we'll have a decent discussion. Well, thank the Lord. Because I got an idea. Let's take one of the most hard to understand principles in the Bible and have a discussion. But while we're having the discussion, let's put a party in the background in your ear.

Because the way the sound works, if you weren't talking, they can remove that. Yeah, they can edit it out on your. said right but it was always in my ear and so i'm like i was i was almost getting angry at the crowd because i know it wasn't their fault they were yeah they were just having a good time they didn't even know this was going on no it reminds me of that uh that jerry clower story you know i like jerry clower because he's a storyteller and uh now that i brought this up on we'll have to remember how that story went but it was something about So you Jerry Clower fans, if I mess this up, I'll give you the nuts and bolts of it.

They were having a problem at the church. And one of the leaders now, not just a member, was sleeping during the service. And it was a distraction. It was bothering the preacher because when an older person sleeps, like I do during duck season, you snore. nobody's listening to the preacher because they're all giggling over this guy snoring so the preacher came up with a plan he said well i'm going to shut this down so what he did was as soon as he saw the leader

go to sleep and start snoring he'd come up with an illustration and he raised his voice and he's like i'm telling you right now heaven is where we're headed and if you want to to go to heaven stand up while everybody stood up except the old boy probably name was Marcel I don't know Marcel was Marcel Ledeberton from Yazoo City

Marcel is sleeping through that so now it's you know his plan is backfiring on him because now everybody's noticing that Marcel evidently don't want to go to heaven and so that made the preacher mad so he's like now sit down he said

let me let me put it to you another the way and he just with everything he got he's like if you want to go to hell stand up and so all he heard marcel heard hell and then he heard stand up and it you know it shook him so he stood up and he's like the preacher looks at him now he's the only one standing and he's like what are you doing And he's like, I don't know, but me and you are the only one standing. That's my old foggy church story for the day, courtesy. That's actually pretty funny. He did a pretty good job on it.

Well, thank you. I used to love Jerry Clower's stories. Oh, I absolutely love it. I mean, they're not. They still got them around. They're not designed really to be funny. I actually think they're just real stories. But some of them, he just tells a story and you're like, well, that wasn't that

funny. But it was the way he, you know, ha, oh, you know, all that. Yeah. He had that Mississippi whang. Yeah. And he gave the details, which it sounded like real stories. I'm not sure why I even told that. But when you were talking about an old church being quiet, I guess it popped into my head, you know.

Well, when you were telling the. the story I was thinking about dad's dad, Paul, because he famously would close his eyes during every sermon when we used to go to a little church out there in Luna. I don't know if you remember that. Y'all remember this. And so afterwards, because we were looking at him, we were thought, well, he's sleeping. But I started asking him questions, but he would always know every point. And finally I asked him, I said, Paul, I mean, it looks like you're sleeping.

He said, oh, no, son, I'm just resting my eyes. that's what he said but he but he but he but he always knew stuff the preacher said so i guess he i guess he just like listening with his eyes well i think that's why young people get upset is because they're like if they cut up you know they get thumped or you know whatever means that's it might be decent in an order and then meanwhile they're looking over and half the older people are asleep and they're like you know i mean So that's what Keller says Sunday. He was preaching.

He was actually preaching this text that we're in in 24 and 25. And he said, he said something about falling asleep. He said, I ain't going to hold it against you. I've fallen asleep in my own sermons a couple of times. Well, I've been up there speaking before at that church and seen people sleeping. And so I try to raise my voice, you know, now it's bothering me. Now I've got a distraction like the crowd in my ear. Now I'm like, no.

What is wrong with this person? I mean, am I that boring? But I have to admit, I felt kind of like the Jerry Clower story. I was like, I mean, you come up here and sleep? I mean, we're trying to go to heaven. I'm trying to whip you up. I mean, it's like, I don't think it matters. What you were going to say?

I try to keep my whatever I'm going to say to a not long, 15, 20 minutes. But, well, Phil, I've seen you go long. longer than that though well I haven't but I try yeah I just noticed but the longer you go the sleeper they get it's just human nature somebody said the attention span of a an American citizen you know is eight minutes seven eight minutes then they're on the they're on to the next on the computer I do agree they get a glance of a lot of things and a little tidbits of information that's not up

they're moving quickly and they're out sitting there zoned in on something very long most of them I have noticed that people now they're like if they have their phone they have to check it like in less than a minute

you're in a conversation and they've done it so much that even they don't realize they're doing it now you're having a conversation with them and they're looking at their phone it's not going off but it's like now

it's a tick. They look. I can't help. I must look that nothing's happening, but I look so much. Yeah, but you're right, that's just habitual. Because you know what's weird is the format by which we're speaking today by podcast is just the opposite. I mean, in fact, when we first started this podcast, they said you guys need to go, you know, 45 minutes to an hour. And all of us who are used to speaking, you know, to audiences, we thought, oh, no way.

I mean, you know, we were trained by the Carl Allison method. If you hadn't struck all in 20 minutes, quit boring, you know. And so we were all like, this won't work. But I was wrong. We were all wrong because people have no problem listening to a 45 minute, hour. I mean, the just thinking guys who we had on the podcast, those two guys, they go two hours, two and a half. on their podcast. They're one of the top Christian podcasts in the world.

So something about this format of just discussion. And I mean, obviously our content is great because it's the Bible. But this seems to hold people's attention. You know, I don't know it's because they're working. They're on the road. Yeah, I think it's on the road. Like Missy listens to this. Every time she travels, she's like, oh, it's the best ever.

I just put the podcast on. It just runs like a series. So she's distracted. which I don't know it's good being distracted. I mean, I remember one time I was talking on my phone. We're a happy distraction. And I was fumbling, fumbling around, and it fell in between the console and my seat.

So I'm driving and I'm talking to somebody, but it's on Bluetooth, I guess, where it's coming through my, you know, I'm talking. I'm not sure where they're speakers at, but they're on the, like where the sound. system is it's coming out of there so I reached down to try to get my phone and my hand got stuck and so then while I'm talking on the phone and driving now with my other hand now I'm driving on my knee I'm pushing the seat to try to get my phone from out from under the seat but when I

pushed it the wrong way well now it's hurting my hand so I had a crowd pain and I'll say I'll call I'll call you back. I had to pull over on the side of the road. And I thought, I was spending too much time on my phone. I mean, this is stupid. I'm not doing this anymore. So now they have this feature, you know, on the phone where you can, if you're driving, you can just put it on, do not disturb.

So that's- You're lucky to be alive. You were describing that scene from planes, trains, and automobiles when John Candy got his coat hung on each seat. side of the car seat trying to adjust it. Then he was driving with his legs and he just spins around the wrong way and goes on interstate the wrong way and winds up going in between two trucks. That's where you were at it. If you hadn't pulled over, you were going to wind up going wrong. The difference in that maybe, which I remember that, was he was in denial. I mean, I realized

I had a problem. I was just sitting there, you know, sweats pouring off my head. I've disconnected to the phone. But remember, he was like, then people were passing him and they're like, hey, you're going the wrong way. And he's like, and he said, how do they know which way we're going? Yeah, he was doing, you know, hey, don't drink and drive. I just watched that movie. It's one of the only Thanksgiving-based movies. So now they got one of the stations plays at 24-7 on Thanksgiving. of it. So I just watched it the other day. But word to the wise, watch it on the cleanup version. Don't watch it on the regular version.

Yeah, the TV version. Yeah, TV version. Yeah, I heard there were some mischievous activity. Well, there's one scene where this guy says the F word like 20 is so annoying. If you cut out that one scene, it's a PG movie. But I don't know. They just decided to go for it. Why do they do that?

It's almost like by design. It's like they'll do a PG-13. movie so i'll you know back in the day i'd take my 12 year old and then they have one moment of the movie that's like the line of the movie and they drop one f word right there but i'm like well that was enough for me to be angry just you went the whole movie without that and then you had to have it it's like one or two times under the pg 13 bracket have you ever noticed that have you ever notice that? Yeah. If it's PG-13, that means there's two F-words in it or one, one or two. That's right. But it's like a profound moment. And I'm like, it's almost like they're trying to lure

you in for a clean movie, but then they want to plant the seed in the young 12-year-old. And so we have, because what are they thinking when that happens? Well, it's the same group of individuals who, when we filmed Duck Dynasty, they put bleeps in as if we were using the F word, which we were not for any kind of profanity. And I'm like, well, what kind of mind says, let's make it look like they're using profanity because it's evident that these people don't use profanity. In their defense, though, Dad, so many reality shows do have profanity. They thought ours was going to be weird if we didn't at least sound like.

like the rest of them. So they were thinking they were normalizing. That's a definition of a depraved mind he just gave. Phil, we were so naive. We were naive. Oh. Yeah, I remember seeing the first cut of that because they would let us watch it before it was released.

And I was like the first time they, it was Corey. And they beat Corey. And I thought. Yeah, she was the first one. That's right. You know, I've known Corey since she was a little kid. I've never heard her say a cuss word in my life. I mean, I've been around her enough to know where if she ever.

said a cuss word, I would remember it. And I thought, she waited. Because they convinced me. I thought, she waited till national TV. But then about two scenes later, they did it again. And I was like, now wait a minute. One, on a moment of insanity, she got nervous with the camera. But now she did it again? I said, why would they? I think they're making this up. Welcome to Hollywood. So look, Phil, I don't know if you knew this. Hey, Jay's. Hey, Jay's. Yeah.

Jay's, let's take a break. So I sent this scathing email. Of course, I don't even know who sent this, but I did to all above. I just sent a scathing email about what are you doing? That you're, because I had no idea. I was like, somebody in the editing room has bleeped stuff that didn't need to be bleeped. because whatever she said. And so the response I got back was those were inserted for dramatic purposes.

Thank you. Have a nice day. Dramatic purposes. Yeah. Yeah. I thought, oh, they did that. They did that on purpose. It's all about drama when you start using 50s.

You know, they actually ran the episode when it first came out. Yeah, because I was watching it. They ran, well, they later fixed it, you know, at some point. Right. They went back. We were all together and I was sitting next to Corey, Jason. I looked over at Corey and I was like, what did you say? And she said, oh, I didn't say anything.

They just did that. And then it beeps her again. And I was like, you are a potty mouth. I was like, how are we going to do this show with you? I mean, I had a good time just riding Corey into it. I went over to their house and brought a bar of soap. I was like, hey. She was like, what?

What? She didn't get it. I was like, I mean, you need your mouth-washed. We converted the sound man, the one who had the computer in his lap, you know, with a strap, the one that miced us up and everything. We converted him because of that. He came to me and says, what's it? Yeah, from another show.

What's just no no cursing? What's that all about? He said, because the film crew is using the most vile language on planet Earth. But so far, he said, I mic y'all up. I don't hear anybody using any profanity. Well, I never been, seen that, never heard that. So I explained to him why we didn't use profanity. And now he is a member of the kingdom of God.

Well, documented story. All right, well, look, Al, now last, we cannot have had any more distractions than we had last time in doing a podcast. So I thought about this. And I would like to try to attempt to lay something. something out on what we were trying to do last podcast because Matthew 23 the end of 23 24 25 is is a difficult or I don't say difficult but it's a much talked about passage most people think that Jesus jumped to his final coming in this section would you agree to that

Yeah. So what we were talking about last time is in the context of what's going down here. He's constantly bringing up that the kingdom is at hand. The kingdom is near. John the Baptist said it. Jesus said it. Matthew 3, Matthew 4. It's near. He had had this. The apostles, the disciples were saying it. They were. Matthew 10. And then you kind of get to Matthew 16 in this pivotal moment where Peter said, you're the Christ, the son of the living God.

And he's like, on that rock, I'm going to build my church. And I'm going to give you the keys, talking to Peter, of the kingdom of heaven. Yep. So then he has the Pharisees and the teachers of the law. And he just gives this, in Matthew 23, just this. withering barrage of putting the ritualistic and the elevating the old law above the heart and and what he's bringing. And he's voiced about five times that that's exactly where he's going to go and be betrayed

by the teachers of the law and the Pharisees and the chief priest. Right. They're going to kill him, and then three days later, he's going to rise from the dead. He said that about four or five times during this. So what we proposed last podcast was based on chapter 23 in verse 37. He says, you know, oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those who sent to you, how often I have long to gather you out. You know, I read that.

And in verse 38, it says, your house is left to you. you desolate, for I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Well, Jesus left the temple. He's walking away in chapter 24. And to call, let's see, and his disciples came up to him to call his attention to the buildings. And so then Jesus says, you see all these things, not one stone, I tell you the truth,

Not one stone here will be left on another. Everyone will be thrown down. And so then the disciples, you know, that bothered him. Because you think if you were in that situation. I mean, I've been to Jerusalem. I've been to Israel. If this moment would have happened, I would have, and the guide would have said, hey, you see all this?

Especially here in the centerpiece of this nation, not one stone and be left on top of another. And he's already proven himself. that he has the power over nature. He has the power over physical ailment. I mean, he's transfigured himself in front of him. So they've concluded he has supernatural powers. And now he's saying this place is fixed to be desolate.

So they're like, what? Tell us some more about that. And so he gets into this almost apocalyptic type speech. They basically said, when will this happen? Right. And so he answers that. And how will we know?

But he answers that in a profound statement in verse 34 when he says, I tell you the truth that this generation will certainly not pass away until you see these things happen. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Well, now all of a sudden, it's gotten personal because they're like, This is imminent. I mean, this is going to happen in our lifetime here. So what I thought would be helpful as I thought about this,

and I'm going to do this quick, y'all can jump in because you know where I'm going with this in the Book of Daniel. So you say when all this talk about the kingdom, if you go back to the Book of Daniel, now we're going back, I don't know how many hundreds of years. About 700. 700 years. you know, Daniel, who was a man who had dreams,

and he prophesied, and he foreshadowed the supernatural in his dreams, things that would happen, that did happen. And he put a timeline on the kingdom of God coming. That's where I was going to read first. So I just think, no, look, I'm not, I think what you can do, if you're listening, is read the whole book of Daniel and say,

oh but I'm just going to take a few bits out of it and just see if this adds up to what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 23 and 24 so this is Daniel 24 it says in the time of those kings God the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed so now if you go back to the time of those kings there's a dream that he had in the previous verses and what were the kingdoms that would come after this I mean it these represent you got the head of gold that was Nebuchadnezzar at the time Daniel was talking to him they were in they were in captivity in Babylonia under Nebuchadnezzar he was the first one then what was next the next one

was the Mito Persians now you can look did that happen in history maybe a hundred years after all right then who was the next one. The Greeks. Alexander the Greeks. The Great. That was about, yeah, that was more than about 300 BC that era. So did that happen? Yes, it happened. So then what was next? Romans. Well, the Romans. Well, now who's in charge and Matthew? Caesar Augustus probably. So you can go do the research on that. That's Luke 2.

Hang on Joe. Let's take a break. Luke 2, Caesar Augustus, he served. about 18 years and then there was Tiberius. Those were the two emperors that ruled by Jesus. That was pretty good off the top of your head, Phil. All right. So then, but now back

to Daniel 244, but trust me, that was all the top of his head. He will crush all it will crush this kingdom that's going to be set up. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself

endure forever. This is the meaning of this vision, you know, that he saw you can read when he had the dream. So all of a sudden we have an eternal kingdom being predicted that would crush all of the kingdoms. And Jesus comes on the scene after John the Baptist. And when it would be the fourth one from Nebuchadnezzar. He's talking to it. Rome is in charge.

And all of a sudden, the kingdom starts popping up. And Jesus is like, the kingdom is near. So in Daniel 7, verse 14, or I'll read 13, he has another vision. And it says, in my vision the night I looked and there before me was one like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the ages of days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory, sovereign power, all people's nations, and men of every language, worshipped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. So now, who do you think he's talking about?

I mean, duh. All right. He's talking about the king, Jesus. Yeah. Right. So if we all agree on Daniel 2, the actual kingdom that would be in the time of the Romans, and that linking up with John of of Edison Jesus. And we all agree in Daniel 7, 13, 14, there's no doubt that he's talking about Jesus when he comes. Mark, Mark chapter 1, verse 1, the beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the son of God, verse 14, then you can go on. He said, the time has come. The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news. Great. So we think that's what Daniel was referring to 700 years ago. go. Did you agree? Well, now let me read chapter 9, and I think 9 of Daniel will help us understand

what we're putting forth, what we think, Daniel 23, I mean Matthew 23 and 24, talking about, and I'm just going to give you the nuts and bolts. But in chapter 9 and verse 2, Daniel, he understood from the scriptures according to the word of the Lord given to Jeremiah. Well, he had been reading Jeremiah, and he says a prayer that the desolation of Jerusalem would last 70 years. Now, we're going to get into some of this symbolic, apocalyptic speech all throughout this chapter, but I just want to make a point that in verse 9 and 7, he brings up the people of Jerusalem and all Israel.

In verse 12, he says, the second part of 12, under the second part of 12, under the, the whole heaven, nothing has ever been done like what has been done to Jerusalem. So all of a sudden, he's having this vision about what's going to happen to Jerusalem. Verse 16, O Lord, in keeping with all your righteous acts, turn your anger and your wrath from Jerusalem, your city, your holy hill. Our sins and the iniquities of our fathers have made Jerusalem and your people an object of scorn to all those around us. All of a sudden, it's, it's like there's something that's going to happen here.

Then in verse 17, he says, for your sake, oh Lord, look with favor on your desolate sanctuary. Verse 21, while he was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man he had seen in the earlier vision that we read, came to me in a swift, flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. So going on from there, if you look in verse 26, this is where I wanted to get to, the second sentence. It says, the people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood.

War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. Now, there's a whole deal about seven and 70 and 70 times seven in amongst this whole prayer and vision. And you say, well, what does all that mean? Well, usually seven was a number of completion, right, Al? Completion, yeah. Perfection. And the 70 times seven seems ironic, which is Jesus would later say,

that's how you should forgive. I mean, he used the same kind of symbolic language. You remember when Peter said, well, how many times should I forgive? So he gets down to this last verse of chapter 9, and this is what I wanted to get to. And on a wing of the temple, he will set up an abomination that causes desolation

until the end that is decreed is poured on him. So where have you heard that phrase before? the abomination that causes desolation. You heard it from old Matthew. Matthew, where is that in the? I didn't make a notation of where that is. It's in the middle part there. It's in the middle part of chapter 24.

Oh, there it is. In 15 of Matthew 24, it says, so when you're standing in the holy place, the abomination that causes desolation spoken of, look you here. through the prophet Daniel. Let the reader understand.

So that's why I went back to Daniel, and I read that. Well, there's no doubt in my mind that in Daniel chapter 9, he brought up Jerusalem and what was going to happen there in the sanctuary over and over again. And so then when you go through history, just like you did with the different kingdoms, you see this moment happen. that started in AD 66, where a war breaks out under Roman control, and there's this massive casualty from the Jewish nation. I mean, look, the streets, the flood that he was talking about was blood flowing through the streets.

And all of the people outside of the Bible, like Josephus, the historians who wrote about that event, it's plain for everyone to read, whoever wants to. You looked it up, didn't you? Yeah, I read it. And I mean, look, it's horrific. It's rated R on what happened. Millions.

Millions died. I think it was over a million. There wasn't that many people back then just on the planet. Yeah. But I read somewhere, I think it was 1.2 million estimated. Died. Yeah, died. And we're talking Temple Burned to the,

ground not one stone left on the other because of the gold and the cracks and so you think well why are y'all making such a big deal about this people they not understand when you said gold in the crack when they set it down fire they didn't they weren't supposed to but they did but that gold that gold that was in the temple melted down and got in the between the that's why they they were taken off slab a brick by slab of brick to get that gold. I was going to say, let's take a break. One of the things I think that why this is so important, Jason, you've laid it out perfectly, is by quickly jumping over this context in 24 and then later in 25 and taking it to the end of time,

you're missing a huge point that really the Bible had been pointing to for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years of history. that this moment had to happen. Everything had led to that. You remember there was a covenant made with David that he would have, one of his lineage would have a forever covenant, which was Jesus. And so what happened in the first century

by having the completion of this, you know, 80, 70 event is there were 40 years, basically, for the Jewish people to figure out whether Jesus was the Messiah or not, once he left. I mean, he had resurrected, people talked about it, the disciples were there,

and then there would be this finality, this moment. And I was going to read to you a passage Hebrews 813, which the book of Hebrews lays this out beautifully. But he says in verse 13, talking about the old covenant and the new covenant, by calling this covenant new, you know, what Jesus brought, this new kingdom, he has made the first one obsolete. And what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. And of course, even the He, you know,

writer was pointing to this moment, this destruction in 8070. So I think it's important to context, not just to try to get it right from a biblical perspective, but also to weigh the moment that the New Testament writers were laying out here, how important this was. This was the end of an era. This is the end of a covenant. This was the finality, the blow that was the end, like dad mentioned in the last podcast. So I think you don't want to miss that by just rushing ahead. And can you make some application to the final coming? Absolutely. But you cannot miss the moment.

I mean, Matthews let everything up to this point and saying what's about to happen with Jesus on the cross sets all these things in motion. Well, that's what I was going to say. Now, I think there's a danger here. When you put your faith and trust in a building or a setting or a place of worship instead of the person, the object of our worship, that's a dangerous thing to do. And I think a lot of reason when I see in our modern culture, you see the same thing. There's little houses ever a few hundred yards across the planet.

And people try to get all this right, to believe right, and become in total. agreement on how to handle the rules and the rituals and the laws and then all of a sudden it's almost like the same thing that was happening here is happening now. And to me that's why I think when you get this right, he was trying, he was having all these discussions and arguments and disagreements with the teachers of the law because they were missing the point. I am the salvation. And so a lot of people that I've discussed and argued with and disagreed with about this passage,

they always say, well, this is not a salvation issue that we don't agree. You know, they think, well, this is talking about the end of time. And you're saying this is an event that happened in AD 70 with end of time implications. Because look, all those people who died, the 1.2 million, at that moment, that was the end of time for them. So, and I think that's fair to say when you apply these things. You know, a lot of times, you know, once you die, the next thing you know, a second later in the twinkling of an eye, well, Jesus will be coming back since there's no, you know, time in the afterlife as far as once you die. Would you agree with that assessment? Yeah.

So it's like the implications of all that. is true because a lot of people it makes them uncomfortable when they keep this in context and they read Daniel and they say oh he's he's putting forth this event that was fixing to happen and look he also you got to remember in verse 16 after the part I read in 15 about spoken through the prophet Daniel which I think is the key verse to understanding what he was talking about because you go back and read Daniel and you say oh but verse 16 he also said something I think is profound because a lot of people think, well, this is

just mean and cruel that God would allow this to happen to this nation. But you know what he said here? He said, then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Wasn't like he said, get out of here. It's coming.

Not only with his prediction of what's fixed to happen, but he's like, go to the mountains. I mean, so all of those listening, I would have said, you know, if I get away from it. this place. Yeah, if I'm trusting in Jesus in this moment, which is, now here's why I'm bringing this up. So a lot of people in modern day culture here a couple thousand years later,

they're trying to find these mountains that they need to flee to before this event goes down. You say, I mean, how many radical thinking groups are looking for the mountain that he was talking about here thinking, oh, this hadn't happened because they didn't need Daniel. They missed the point. they missed Jerusalem and so they're up on a mountain somewhere thinking boys is coming they're looking at the moon thinking when that thing turns to blood this is fixed to go down and we're like hey you can be a part of the kingdom of God now on earth yeah the kingdom it was near then but it's here that's why in the last podcast you were jumping to acts too because you're like well the kingdom came we're a part of it we're the holy spirit of God

We're good. We're members of the kingdom here. And I quoted second Corinthians chapter six, we are the temple of the living God. Duh. You think about it, so let's take our last break. You think about it, both you all, the biggest issues in the first century church from Jesus left,

and so we got the 40s, the 50s, the 60s leading up to 80s, leading up to 80-70. What was the biggest problem, especially among Jewish believers? They had a hard time letting go of the old way. I mean, they struggled with so many different aspects of you. You read the book of Galatians. They've been there 1,500 years, how they were kind of stuck in their ways, if you know what I'm saying. Until 80s 70, which then all of a sudden it was decimated and you didn't have near the issues going forward. The church was much more unified from just a Jewish church. or a Gentile church to truly the church. So by the way, Al, on that point, they never replaced it.

Right. Now there's part of the wall that's left, the wailing wall, where they go and they put their prayers. That's the remains of it. It's down, it was underground at the time, but they dug it up enough to where you can go to the wailing wall to this day. but why, in your opinion, did they never rebuild it? The genealogies, I guess, were all gone. I mean, they was all burned up and destroyed by Titus, the Roman general. But why wouldn't they try to resurrect it?

Right. I mean, that tells you something right there, right? I mean, just the history of it. In fact, part of the holy city is no longer, it's under Muslim control. Yep. You know, so it's a holy city to Muslims as well. So it just goes to show you something was lost. But what was gained is what you see from messianid Jews.

Like we have our brother Joseph Shulam, who we talked about a few weeks ago. I mean, he realized that you can maintain your Jewish heritage. That's fine. As long as you embrace the Messiah, Jesus, and what he brought to us. So that's the beauty of it. It also makes sense, like when the woman at the whale and she started talking about where you were getting, where you could worship. And Jesus was like, it's not going to be a place.

You're going to worship. The true worshippers will worship in spirit and in truth. Well, he was setting that foundation. This place is fixing to be gone. You know, and that's the problem with putting your faith and trust in holy places. Things get torn up. They get exploded. Temporary at best.

know, other entities come in and run mayhem and steal your loot. And if you put your faith and trust in that ritual of the things that, I mean, when you think about it, you're religious people and you've got a temple full of gold, that's where you're putting your faith in trust. That's why you have so many references. You brought up that Act 17 last podcast about God doesn't live in buildings, but then he goes on to say, you've got remember the God of Lord heaven and earth, he's not an image made to look like man or gold or stone. That's temporary. God Almighty is eternal.

I wanted to read this in our last couple of minutes. So when Paul wrote his letter to the Colossians, he made reference about in verse 11 and 12. I'll just pick it up in 12. He said, we give thanks to the Father who is qualified. you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light. And so you think, what kingdom is this talking about? Well, a lot of people, they're like, well, this is the kingdom that will be set up. And we're saying that when Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter and predicted this

mayhem that was going to happen to this the temple in Jerusalem in a future state. When Jesus died, was buried and resurrected, poured out the spirit that you brought up last podcast in Acts chapter 2. And Peter preaches God's salvation in Jesus. The people repented and they were baptized and they received God's spirit. They had heard the truth, which was Jesus. So that to go back to the woman in the well reference. well they became members of the kingdom the kingdom had been established on earth the one that would crush all of the kingdom i think where people have the problem is they're like but we're not crushing all other kingdoms

because we're just people when people look at the sheep the flock of jesus they're not seeing this all-powerful kingdom but what they're failing to realize is is once you get god's spirit you have forgiveness from God, so you're in good standing with the career of the universe, but you've now become indestructible. Yep. Well, wouldn't that make you the greatest kingdom that has ever been on the earth? That's what I would think. So look, I got a newsflash for you.

When you get to Revelation, it's the same thing we're discussing here. He's discussing there. Yep. So in the same apocalyptic language, the same references to Daniel and to Ezekiel. And the bottom line was if you're in Jesus, even though they'll kill you, you win because you're indestructible. So I wanted to read the second part of that, Colossian 1 and 12. So then he says, he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the sun he loves. Well, was he talking about it?

Not in the future. It brought me. He was writing a letter saying he brought you into the kingdom of the sun. He rescued you from the dominion of darkness. Well, now he's talking about that transformation that happens when you come to cry. So to go back to my Jerry Clower story, I feel like today, and this just popped into my head. So I'm going to say it. Maybe it's the Holy Spirit.

But I feel like today people are still saying the kingdom is near. and people are sleeping in the pews. They're like, yeah, we're waiting on it. There's no sense of urgency because we're waiting for this to go down. And then what we're saying is, no, you need to be hollering. The kingdom is here. And you can be a part of it. Yeah.

Wake up. Quit being asleep at the post. Because that's where when we move around, because the Holy Spirit of God, we're representing, we're brought into the same kingdom that he was. is right into those Colossians in modern day. And so when the end does come, that's when you get into 1st Corinthians 15. When we're handed over to the Father, you say the kingdom, yeah, it's just a transaction that happens as eternal beings.

And you read that in, what is it, First, Corinthians, 15, 20 something, read the whole chapter and you'll get it. As we close here, one of the points I wanted, I meant to do this earlier, Jace, when you were in verse 15 through 21 in Matthew 24. Listen to Luke's account of the exact same thing in Luke 21, verse 20. When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. So Luke goes one step further. It's pretty plain, right? Then he says, let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, which by the way, your point was great. How do you fleet of the mountains and the final coming. That's not going to help you any. And then he says in

verse 22, for this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. So, I mean, it's pretty clear that this idea, that this was something that was predicted, that had to happen, that really was then the launching pad for what we now know is the kingdom as it's been growing in the last 2,000 years. But this had to happen. That's exactly what Matthew's talking about, as well as Luke, as well as Mark, and every one of those points to the same thing. So I think next time as we get into the rest of this, there is some application made to the final coming of Jesus, and that's not a bad thing because we do need to be ready. So temple worship is described perfectly, and we can call this a wrap, offer your bodies as living sacrifice is holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual act of worship. that just simply means, Al, that no longer you won't have temple worship, we are the temple.

But it's a tough concept to grab a hole of. I can understand that. It is. It is. But that's why we keep studying. Well, that's why when you get to the book of Revelation and you see that same phrase, well, if it meant what it did in Daniel and then it meant what it did in Matthew, what do you think it's meaning in Revelation?

I would assume the same thing. And I'll leave you with this one verse. In Revelation 510, he gave reference to this verse. You are worthy to take the scroll speaking of Jesus, which was represented as the Lamb. Because you were slain and with your blood, you purchased men for God from every tribe, language, and people and nation.

Look, sounds just like Daniel 714. Exactly. You have made them. to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth. You got it. You can rain on the earth now and then. Yep. I like it.

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