Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 403 | Phil Shows How Jesus Uncanceled His Haters & Living Separate Lives Through Social Media

Episode Date: January 3, 2022

Phil and Jase discuss the disappointing duck season, and they have a solution that works for many situations. Jase and Phil explain how the men around Jesus had ears, but they weren’t listening. Al and Jase dive into the reality of our second lives on social media. Phil talks about his forthcoming book and how Jesus uncanceled the people who canceled him. Jase explains borrowed faith vs. personal faith. And Phil explores how the definition of “truth” has changed since 1860. Pre-order your signed copy of Uncanceled by Phil Robertson: https://talkshop.live/watch/QID3D1y77yHJ  - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So last night we had mom's big birthday bash. We kind of teased it in the last podcast. And it was good. It's kind of become a, I guess it's a new tradition. We did it at our house. And as always, there was quite the spread of grub, which was really good. I had a little bit of everything.

I told somebody it was either, you know, because people are starting to think about diet and all that. It's either carb heaven or carb hell. I can't decide. There's a lot of carbohydrates. That's what's funny. I got Missy got a card for Kay that I was going to give. And it said, I didn't realize how old you are.

I think that's what went. How did that go? It said, I didn't realize you were getting old. That's the front of it says. I didn't realize you were getting old. Right. And then you open it up and it said, I was clearly wrong. Because you know how we argue, but she never says I'm wrong.

That's right. Well, here's the funny part. She got the card. I watched her. She opened it. She didn't even read it. She just opened it. I put $200 bill in there.

Put the $200 bill in her pocket and set the card down. So then I saw her. I was like, what did you think of my car? And she said, you know, I didn't even read that. I said, okay? You distracted her with them two hindoes. Then she read it. She was like, oh, that's the funniest thing.

It took me 50 years to get you to realize you were wrong about something. Glad I could help. First thing she's done with this morning, she said, I said, what did you think about your birthday, mom? Oh, it was so great. And, you know, I like this. And she said, the biggest surprise was Jace just came over and just hug me big. And I said, that was surprise. She said, yeah, you know, because he's just not always a hugger.

Yeah. I said, well, he was trying to make your birthday special, Mom. I did. Yeah. So I know somebody gave her a card. It was full of $1 bills. That was Willie. It was like a bunch of them.

I mean, it was a thick stack. I don't know how many it was. Willie's into volume, you know. It was exactly 74. $74. Okay. Now you get it? I get it now.

74 or $1 bill. That's what I was assuming. So she liked my gift better. She was counting them. She said 73, 74. She said, oh, Willie. But she liked mine better because it was $2, $100. So she come out of there with $2.74.

She was wise enough. I have to say, I got 200 out of Jason, which is a shocker. And she said, and Willie, because I'm 74, he gave me $74, $1.00. What's funny is Jepp was leaving town today. So odds are that that $274 went right back to Texas with old Jepico is probably what happened. Because he told me, he said, Jeff, said, man, I got me some poker money. He said, I love coming on for Christmas. He says, it's the only time I ever have any money.

He said, I usually lose it by New Year's. Kay is kind of like a broker. You know, you realize when you give this money, you're wondering you could actually lay bets on who ends up. It's almost like one of those, what they call the elephant game where you. The white elephant. Yeah, so they were, did you say they put me in a group text? I mean, I really want to leave that, but it's all family.

Yeah. So I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, which I thought was impossible in my family, but I don't know. Well, then Willie was, like, playful in the text chain, which I don't know if you noticed that. It's pretty funny. Because Missy said, I'm bringing crack dip. And I knew what she meant because I've had this dip before. That's what it's called. Well, I didn't know.

It's amazing. It's so good. So they say that because it's like crack. You can't quit eating it. Yeah. Okay. So that's what she said in the thing. So Willie said, well, I'll bring the meth salad then.

So in the text chain. And Missy never even. A little more. morbid. It is a serious problem in our society. And then I said, will that affect your teeth? I'm asking for a friend. This was my contribution to the text.

And then Willie comes right back and says, well, I asked red and he said it was safe. So, you know, it was just a. But that is a good thing about the redneck world. We're unoffendable. We're not offendable. Which is how we should be. You got to laugh at yourself. That's right.

But it is a problem. But, yeah, on the way back, I thought, because you can get spiritual analysis. from the outdoors and you know I was looking I just couldn't believe there were no ducks so Si and I took an alternate route back yeah and uh I got to what we call the private hall

when I look I mean it's beautiful it's flooded there's grass there's trees everything you could possibly want as a duck and as I'm sitting there thinking why are they no ducks there.

So I went, hey, hey, hey. I looked up, I'm off the levee. I'm like going. But I didn't panic. I just eased back over. And I was like, hey, what are you trying to kill me? But I thought, you know, when you get distracted from the path. And so then I saw the same thing because we pull up to see if there were any doves in this field.

Because we have no ducks. So I was like, let's get off the ducks and go dove. hunting because Jay had said he'd seen a bunch of doves on his field. Unless I said doves are better eating anyway. So we pull out there, no doves. But I look up, I was like, sigh, look at that. Can you blame? He's like, what?

I mean, it was one of the biggest bucks, buck deer I've ever seen. Charging straight tortoise. I turned the wheeler off, but the wind was blowing tortoise. And he was just running right toward us. I was like, he's going to hit us. I said, where's he at? Where's he up? I mean, he was literally,

look like a horse. This is a ball open field. There's a few trees. Which tells you something about what Si's seeing in the duck bottom, by the way. I said, where's he at? I said, sigh, he's literally coming straight toward us. He was a couple hundred yards out, but he was running right toward it. I said, I can't see him.

So I started looking at Sai, and I'm like, how can you not see this? And so when he turned broadside, he's like, oh. oh and he's like that's old i think he called him flat top or something yeah he's because jane names all got them named you know but then the deer put his head down i was like oh he's after a doe of course this 10 o'clock yeah the sun's out he's in the middle of a field oblivious to us and it it made me think of what just happened with me when you're you get distracted oh yeah he's chasing a girl he's now distracted luckily luckily for him you Y'all weren't after him this day.

He would have died. If I'd have had a rifle and I wanted to shoot him. Yeah. Because look, he just, he did kind of like a wagon wheel. He would take off two or three hundred yards with his nose down on the ground. He would turn around and come back. Then he would move over and go two or three hundred yards. I say, he's lost her.

He's looking for a woman. He kept coming back to that one spot. Well, we were just sitting there right in front of it. It was, it was, it was quite exciting. Did y'all try my corn chowder last night? I tried it. It was excellent. So that's my winter dish.

My kids like it. So what's the recipe on that? That was one of the best. Now, look, I'm going to be honest with our family. You got to have thick skin. That's right. I put your concoction at the top. Now, Willie had two, and Phil accurately described, he had two slum gullion.

One of them was bean. We actually, dad prophesied about the slum gulfs. go ahead and then Willie brought. Biggest pots you've ever seen in your life. One of them had beans in it was the base. And there was all kind of meats in the beans. Yeah. That was good.

Yeah. The other thing that they called a slam baya. It was a pasta laia. Pasta laia. Instead of a jambalaya, it was supposedly jambolea, but pasta instead of. Pasta laia was not on your life because it was two thumbs down. I tried to bite. It had some kind of sweet barbecue-y type flavor.

Yeah, I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. It wasn't in the neighborhood of jambal ice, especially your... Well, I thought when I tasted, because I ate the beans, and I thought, no, that's good. Right. When I tasted that, I went, that's heavy. That's too much slums and not enough to go yet. Well, the difference between you and me is I picked up the spoon and made a movement toward

that dish. I just, I said, it wasn't the it was the look that did it for you. It was the look. I said,

no. It's a guillian. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't. So that was funny that you prophesied that. It was.

It came true. So what's the recipe on the house? So the, the, the corn chowder is interesting because the first time I ever had it, one of the worst cooks I know,

Paula Godwin, no offense, I love her, but she just ain't much of a cook, you know. So she made that dish first. And so I ate some of hers. This is years ago.

And I thought, this thing has the potential of being good. But I knew there had to, some changes had to be made. So I asked her about what went into it. It's some dish from Kansas, blah, blah, blah. So, so I took her idea and created this dish. And so it's basically, it's a potato base. It's about, there was about 10 pounds of potatoes in there. those down that's kind of your initial base so what you mean cook them now what you do

like just boil them to their to their big chunks of potatoes but then they get smaller but it makes that makes that make do you blend them yeah so then i put in i boil some corn and then add the corn to that but then i cook like a can of corn well yeah yeah several cans and uh and then you use uh but at the same time all this is going on i'm cooking down onion bell pepper celery garlic butter. You got the fundamentals. You got the Trinity Plus. And so then that goes in. That's where you get your rich flavor. By now it's getting thick. So how are you making that? Because it's not a, it's kind of a white looking,

that's the potato. Yeah, potatoes, but then the finishes, I'll tell you the finish. So you're kind of doing all this together. Then it goes in. And then I just slow cook it. So it's just like a soup. It's cooking there. Then I take about three pounds of unduey sauces. That's where you're getting your little spice kick in there. That was the only place this. Because it was spicy. Yeah, it's unduey sausage. And so I brown that, add the unduey sausage to it.

And then I peel about three pounds of shrimp and add that in there, you know, medium-sized shrimp. And so it only takes them five minutes to cook and it's good to go. So this is right at the end. Then I add in evaporated milk. That's where you get the white. So it's like dumplings. You know, you get that last bit.

But that's basically the dish. Of course, I'm seasoning as I'm going. But it's a really rich soup. It was good. It was really good. And I had never, the shrimp was a great. The shrimp was a late ad. I just started doing that last year.

I think that was a necessity. Yeah. Well, I'd never done it for. And my son and not Benny one day he said, you've ever tried shrimp in that? And I was like, because it's always just sauces. I was like, no, but I think that'd make it better. Started doing shrimp.

So it's just kind of one of those. It's not slum gullion, but it was. So what would you call that? It would lean and almost, almost gullium. I call it corn and shrimp chowder is what I call. Okay. No, that was good. That was a high point.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. All right, so that's, I mean, I think people who hear that, if you try that, that, but I didn't know how hard it was. I think if I'm not mistaken, and I could be, but I don't think I am. I think for our listeners, that it's in mom's first cookbook. I think the recipes. I think I put it. Minus the shrimp. Yeah, they won't be shrimp.

I add some shrimp in there. That makes it even better. But put your shrimp in late because you don't want to get rubbery, you know, you just want to cook them quick at the end. And that's usually the last thing I put in there. It was real good. So we were, and then we were getting ready to gearing up for the next, you know, it's just one thing after the other. So we talked about Claire's wedding.

And then we got, you know, the rest of Christmas. So it's a, as you said, it's a heavy docket this week. It is. And we have no ducks. It's, this has been, I mean, today was the first day in years that we had a zero. We've never fired your. You're good. We could have shot one dollar Drake.

We've implemented the old saying not but one thing we can do, eat our way out of it. So that's why we're talking about feed. That's right. And we're talking about not being distracted. Yeah, each way out of it. That's right. Focus on the spiritual things in this time. Which is good.

So this is our podcast. So we realize you guys are hearing this after the first of the year, but we're still right before Christmas as we're. recording this podcast, which will be our last one to record this year. But it's been a good year. 400 and this is number 403. And Jace, to your credit, I guess I've just become you because I totally missed number 400. I know. And it was, normally it's a big deal to me, but I guess Jason, he's influenced.

I'm at this case, she didn't want to focus on the number. And so if you've done 400 of these, let's just, let's just not even make a thing about it. It's just a bunch. I mean, maybe a thousand, but give us incentive to stay alive. That's right. We're going to get to the thousand. Let's take a break. So we're going to pick up where we left off yesterday.

We're kind of at the – it's interesting because we're in the Christmas season. I'm kind of having the same thing on the church side because I'm preaching right now. And we're like having our Christmas Eve service coming up. Well, normally Christmas is, you know, upbeat and Christmas songs and birth of Jesus. But since we're in our study, we're going to be. We're also at the other end. So you're kind of wanting to honor the birth of Jesus, but we're at the place where he, you know, gave his life.

And it's, and it was brutal. I mean, there's nothing, there's nothing cheerful about this, you know, kind of the way it went down. But, no, I was sick to say. He said, started with Matthew 16, from that time on. It's going to happen. By Midway and Matthew,

and it's almost like that in every one of the gospel. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus saying, I'm going to go up to Jerusalem, I'm going to be handed over by the Jewish big, big, bigs to the Roman Empire. And I must die in three days, I'll be buried in three days, I'll be raised from the dead. All four of them from four different viewpoints told the same story so that anybody who says, well you know i i miss jesus how did i miss him i mean tell him i'm reading matthew mark luke and john same story four times that way you can't miss it right he he made it where it's it's it's pathetic for someone to say well i just didn't know yeah but we live in a culture where

they don't know well but what i was going to say al is you got to remember when he was introduced by the angel in Luke 211, which is probably what most people preach from during Christmas. It says, today in the town of David, a savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord. I mean, he came here with that label Savior.

That's true. So how is he going to save us? Right. There's your tie in. And who is he? He's Christ the Lord, which is a priest. to what we're going to cover next next year if if we're back this year are we asking everybody

if we should come back or we're just coming back i guess we're just getting it almost looks like no one said let's see i heard what he had to say said he's going to go up with jerusalem and die be buried and raid from the dead uh so well well it looks like we're just here near it nobody was actually out that i can see was convinced some of the women's in some of the texts they were yeah the women stuck stuck you know the one the white feet he's she knew right but but overall the human race yeah they missed it you know when you say but but if you say to somebody they just look around and tell you one day look here's the deal here's what I'm fixing to do I'm gonna die and be buried and but three days I'll

I'll be raised from the dead that's coming up shortly yeah you know it's almost pass over here so you know right before I go to Jerusalem he just saying it and he's not romancing it. No. He's just saying it and they're looking at him. But you know, it's funny. And looking at each other saying,

I mean, it's like, you know, a person you had run with for three years and so a lot of amazing thing. But then he comes up with this and you're like, I don't know. But you know what it was? We mentioned this yesterday,

but not in this context. So the men around him, they had ears, but they weren't listening to what he was saying. That's, That's why he made such a... Because they had it in their mind how it was really going to go. But the women, they were just listening to what he said.

They were like, oh, no, he's going to die. They're saying we're going to get rid of him, the Jews, we're going to get rid of him and would be done with him. Right. Never did they realize when you get rid of him three days later, he's back. Death itself couldn't hold him. That should have done it. That's why I brought up the deer being distracted.

You can get tunnel vision and even, you know, whether you're a deer or you're a human, you know, chasing a girl for late night activities in mind and lose everything around you, including your soul. Yeah, your family or whatever. That's what I was saying. I mean, you can get something in your mind and just get driven and you don't realize, I mean, like the deer I brought up, that there's a guy pointing a high-powered rifle at you. And you're, because that deer looked at us a couple times right at us and said,

I don't care. Shoot me now. But I'm all, I'm, but that's why Jesus made such a big deal about the woman, Mary, who anointed him is because she got it. I mean,

he really defended her before we got to this. I mean, you know, Jesus, he's fixed to be betrayed, or introduced the idea of being betrayed. But here's this woman. She got it. She had put two and two together and thought he is going to die to save the world. And I'm preparing him for the moment.

I want to read this before we get back to that, Jay's, because you spark my mind. This is my Christmas Eve. We do a little worship thing that would be far through the years. And I made that same bridge that you made, we think alike. But I did it out of Matthew. one. And here's the reason why it says, so the Holy Spirit has to come to Joseph. You know, he has to get like a

direct knowledge because he's about to divorce Mary when he finds out she's pregnant because he knows he hadn't slept with her. After he considered this, Joseph, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. He's saying this is supernatural. I get it. I get your suspicions, but this is supernatural. She will get birth to a son.

You were to give him the name Jesus. And then in the margin, it says, Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua, Yeshua that used to go out, which means the Lord saves. So literally his name means the Lord saves because he will save his people from their sins. And then he said,

you're also calling him Emmanuel, which is God with us. So the idea is that this is God. in flesh. The ones who said we will cancel him because we have a whole culture now that goes around canceling people. The Jews thought this is his cancellation. He's done. Right. Well, what they didn't realize is that he unconsaled them if they wanted him. That's right. Which, by the way, is kind of the theme of Dad's new book, Uncanceled. I'll say it over and over and over what we're discussing right here because people keep coming up and they keep missing Jesus,

and it's... Well, when you think about it, the ultimate cancel is you kill somebody. Right. You cancel. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, he went unconsal. That's right.

Unless they come back. And then you didn't cancel anything. Yeah. You know what's interesting. What I'm going to do, if you just believe it, you'll be saved. And none of the dreadful things that you've done as a human being dating back to your high school years.

All of that will be wiped away. I'll cancel the written code that you're under, the law of Moses. It will be canceled. It was against us. It was a poet. None of us kept it. He says, I'm going to get you out of my under all that.

And the system I'm giving it is grace. And you certainly don't have to be perfect because I'm going to make you perfect if you'll just trust me. You talk about a, but it was a hard sale, Al. that's exactly right how many how many times have you heard of somebody dying and it saved the world i mean never once except this one this is it yeah but you know it's the only time i've ever read a story i i've all the stories i've ever read i've looked through them none have come up to this at all that's funny you said that i read a book one time and there was a story in the book i think it was

a swindall book about this guy in brazil back in the 70s that decided he wanted to be crucified, he was going to sacrifice himself for world peace. So in other words, the world's a dangerous place. So he was trying to get attention. I'm going to give my life. And so they nailed him to a cross or tree. And they said they had to take him down eight hours later because he was dehydrated and blah, blah, blah. And I thought, that's what happens when somebody just one of us decides we're going to put an end to, you know, world conflict through our crucifference.

fiction. They eventually take you down because, you know. But you still got to remember the stories are one thing. Because a lot of times it is a story, but it's a story of a real living, present being. Correct. It's like, you know, I remember one time I was, because a lot of people show up at Duck Commander with the illusion that they're going to meet, like somebody on. from the show.

And you say, well, you mean illusion. Well, because most of the time I'm not hanging out in the parking lot waiting for large buses of people.

It's just I'm not, I'm kind of avoiding that situation without avoiding it. But I remember I was walking out and and I went around the bend and I didn't realize a bus that just unloaded.

So I was like, oh boy, well, once I'm there, I'm not going to be rude. So I was taking pictures. one of them was like well i had sigh in the truck but they didn't know it i was protecting but they were like well tell us some sigh stories and i i kind of thought about this point that i'm making there because i thought you know what would be better is if i just went and got it he's just right on let him let him tell you this story but i i just remember thinking that from a

jesus perspective because you can tell people about jesus but the greatest thing you can do is is introduce them to Jesus in like a real way that they experience it for themselves. It's like, well, he's really not a million miles away. I'm not just going to, he didn't put a formula down for you to follow without, without it being a letter. Right. From him. He's, he's, he arranges meetings. Right.

And he's active. You know, the verse that comes in mind is the living and active. Hebrews 412. Yeah. But I was trying to make a book. When Phil said that, I thought that, which is what I think should separate us in what we do at the church as opposed to just the world of, like, thinking about Jesus' birth. Because I think a lot of people tell the story. But I think it's better what you said to tie it back.

He's the savior of the world. Right. Present. And it has to be personal for every person. Hang on, Jay's. Let's take a break. He's alive and well. Yeah.

And present. That's right. And so I think when that hits people, that's what moves them. And you know what's interesting, and even generationally, because we all have adult children. And when you see your child, you saw us dad, had to figure that out on our own. Like, you knew it. You knew it well. But then each one of us had to figure it out on our own to have a relationship with Christ.

And then you have kids and you raise them up and you're teaching them the right things. And then you see them hit that moment where they recognize. and sin moves in and it's going to move in on everybody. It's a critical moment. It is. And then they have to figure out on their own, you know, is he going to be real? Is he going to be personal? Or am I just going to be a fake?

But everybody sins, but there's also times where, you know, if you're acting one way at a church service and you've like compartmentalized Jesus into just, this is a story that we can't come and discuss. And then you immediately walk in. You remember that passage in James. says it's like, God looking in the mirror, then he walks away and immediately forgot what he looked like. And you're dropping elf bombs in the parking lot right after the service.

Right. Even though we all sin and we all struggle in God's grace is there, something about that seems fishy. There's not a connection to a real living God in that moment. Right. Or it's like when you hear a story about somebody you respect it, I mean, like they put out really good stuff that helped you. And then you find out they were living a whole double life, sinful, like against their family, against God. And you're just like, man, how would you?

Because way back in their mind, I bring it up in the book, is that he's not real. Exactly. So when you're dealing with something not reality, you can go out and you can do this right here and go to the parking lot and you're a totally different person. Right. He's not real to you. That's my point. That's why I'm always. That's why just being around it is not good enough.

Not good enough. You'll see a pastor that a lot of people listen to and grew spiritually because, and then you find out he's had multiple affairs. He's been taking advantage of people in the church. And you're like, who was this person? He was around the right thing. But internally, he did not love the Lord with all his heart, soul, mind, and his strength. Or he wouldn't have been doing what he was doing, you know, just out.

Well, it just gets back to what I was saying. you can hear the greatest, like we're hunters, you can hear the greatest duck hunting story ever. I mean, we got a lot of good ones about things that happen. And you could even adopt that story and share it to other people. And they'd be like, wow, that's incredible. But if you didn't really experience it, there's some hollowness there. You know, if you took the story as your own, but you really didn't experience it,

then I think that's what people do. I'm real careful about saying, let me tell you. you a story and tell about Jesus. I mean, even in the, just, I think the words are important. You know, I'm like, I'm going to introduce you to a real living being that created you and loves you right now and wants to work in your life and help you live forever. I just think even using that kind of verbiage has more impact on people. Well, and I think you're right.

And I think we're living in an era now where it's, it's becoming easier and easier to live a fake life. I mean, there are people that are on social media and the internet, they never expose who they really are. It's an illusion. It's an illusion. Their whole life is an illusion. That's why as they go forth, each one of them, once you do not retain the knowledge

of God, he gives you over to a depraved mind. You didn't retain the knowledge in here. It's not stored up. of the being of God of God it's not there that's why when you know y'all are talking about canceling earlier I know we're chasing rabbits here but I think this is a good point and another thing when Jesus came the benefit we get from that Colossians 2 9 said for in Christ all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form and you have been given fullness in Christ well the only thing you can think of is that he gave you access to the relationship of the Trinity.

That's right. The deity, God, the Father, Jesus as your Lord, and the Holy Spirit as counselor or one of the other names, maybe, comforter, counselor. Yep. So it's like, it's, he's the one through the Holy Spirit, Paul writing that, that made it personal. I mean, what other, why would he say? been given fullness in Christ because all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form.

It's like, that was his only point. You have access to the real living God, to his real spirit, to him as your Lord. Well, then, and you know where I'm going with this, and it was like, well, he saved you because in the putting off of your sinful nature, and then it talked about how we surrendered to that in baptism in 212 of Galatians. But then he says, verse 13, when you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code with its regulations that

was against us. And so you haven't taken away now to the cross, but you see where I'm going with that. God cancels the, not the document, but just the form. that entrapped us, entrapped us in our sin because the legal view of things. We have right and wrong, we choose wrong, what? Penalty. There must be, or he wouldn't be just.

And he's like, I canceled that through Jesus and his salvation on a cross, nailing it to the cross. Right. I mean, so to me, when he said, going back to Luke 2, when he said savior of the world, I mean, we're going so far down into what that means here that he doesn't counsel people. He loves people. He canceled the thing that was causing all the problems to start with.

Exactly. You know? Not that it was the problem. We were the problem. But he's like. That's why you've been set free. That's right. Set free.

But a lot of people in the church who have had this canceled by the grace of God. Try to put them says back. Try to put their cells back on it. Yep. Let's take a break. So, Jay, see it all the time. You encapsulated, really, in that one little statement, the entire message of Matthew, and that is all things fulfilled in Christ so then we can be fulfilled in him.

I mean, that's the idea. He said, that's why I came to fulfill everything. The law, the prophets, all prophecy, everything is fulfilled. And he made it clear when the Gabriel was talking to me. One of the things he said, I think it's in Luke the same story as Matthew had, but the point was nothing is impossible for God. That's right. Because you said, well, that's quite the story that I'm going to be delivered and set free.

And the written code has been canceled for me. I'm not under law anymore. I'm under grace. God's not counting my sins against me. Constant mediating work. Jesus at the right hand of God, man, I, I'm not. It's time to jump up and down here. Right.

But if that's not a reality to you, you will live in an unreality world. That's right. And it happens every single day. Like Jason, inside and outside. Yeah. Well, that's what I was saying. So really, if you take your mind into this crowd that is out there hollering for Barabbas. Yep.

And, you know. The canceled culture. If you look at their signs, if you could make imaginary signs, of what they would have had because a mob has a ride has happened. We're canceling Jesus. Yep. Who's about it?

You know, fake king or just come up with the slogans. Oh, yeah. But in reality, when you read Colossians 2, we should be with signs saying, cancel the code. Yeah.

You know, I mean. They use saying like, get that Bible out of my bridges. Yeah. Yeah. Don't, don't realize. And they're saying, I'm not doing anything wrong here. And so, and you're showing me what Jesus said about it. And he says,

you don't want to go down that path. You need to get out of that. This is not good. Yes, not good. So the reality of him is not there. He's not real. No, but they do, to Jesus's point, they do what we see in this story. You saw it first with the mob and then you see the leadership. Everybody's got their little say. And then finally it gets to 27.11. This is where we left off last And you got the last guy, really and truly, the only guy who had power in this whole story is the Roman governor. I mean, his word is ultimate in their setting. But what he didn't realize is he's standing in front of the son of God. So he really was a pretender.

Who is the truth? He is the truth. On everything. So what he asked him is in the Matthew account, he says, are you the king of the Jews? And Jesus said, yes, it is as you say. But I like the John account better because John goes into a little more detail of what Jesus actually said because it's much more powerful. He said, Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world.

Because remember, he's talking to this Gentile who's just trying to make this go away. That's Pilate's point. He doesn't care about this. He doesn't have a dog in it, hunt other than there's a riot going on. And he knows, though, this guy doesn't seem to be what they're saying he is. so he says my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders but now my kingdom is from another place which you knew the thing my pilot he's looking at this thinking what is he talking about he's he's crazy well he probably just thought he meant like somewhere

maybe it's a foreigner maybe he came right yeah right but he's probably thinking well I thought you from from another place he probably thought he went on a mission trip somewhere to help somebody And he discovered a way to make a kingdom of some sort. But he's like, well, your army, you have no army. You have no powers. Where's your weapons? Well, he starts by saying your king. So when Jesus says that, he says in John, this is John 1837, you are a king then.

In other words, okay, and I'm getting somewhere now. Jesus said, you say that I'm a king. Yeah, so you say. So you say. And I think even that first translation where it says it as it is, as you say. Every time he was asked the question, he was basically responding. A question

with a question. That's what you're saying. Yeah. So you say. So you say. Then he said, in fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is, and he just bypasses the king part and says is to testify to the truth. Everyone on

the side of truth listens to me. Which, what a statement. That is such a powerful statement for all time. But it's troubling because immediately that triggers response. Well, how do you know who's telling the truth? And that's what Pilate said. What is truth? In other words, he's looking at saying, I got a reality here I'm trying to deal with. I got these Jewish leaders. They're breathing down my neck. The people are saying they want you dead. What am I supposed to do here? So he comes up with the plan about Barabbas because this is the way politicians think. He's okay, I got it. Everybody's going to win here because somebody's going to die. The crowd's bloodthirsty. I got this guy over here who's terrible. Everybody knows what a terrible, you know, person he is. And so I'm going to set one them free and they'll surely choose the guy who's terrible, not this other guy.

But, I mean, I think when you research, well, he was, he was basically leading an insurrection. You know, they say he's a murder. I mean, most scholars say it's because he was leading people and murdering people, but out of protest for being, for paying taxes and be, so some people thought even though they weren't condoning what he did, they do agree that Rome has just is hovering over. So it's like he had sympathizers, is my point. I think that was the path. And I agree with that assessment.

I think he was probably somebody that people deep down thought, well, yeah, I mean, even though it's not right to do that from the godly law perspective, I mean, definitely understand why. I mean, they've pushed us to a corner with all this taxation. I mean, I really think that was the path for them to say, well, give us him. I mean, at least he's trying. Because you think about it, that would make more sense about the contrast.

Because here's this king who's not doing anything. He's, I mean, just to use this as illustration, Peter gets out his sword and finally decides to do something, cuts the guy's ear off, and he puts it back on. I mean, how terrible is that? Again, that's a long way. from Braveheart, which we talked about so let's take our last break.

So here's the point, though, Jay's, in verse 18 and 27, Pilate in his thinking, says he knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him. Now, I think he's talking about the Jewish leaders, but he recognizes, you know,

this guy, Pilate's smart. You don't become a Roman governor in that era by not being a smart guy. He knows the score here. He doesn't understand who Jesus is. But he gets it that this brood of vipers over here, he's like these guys. I mean, he saw right through those Jewish leaders. But he's never going to acknowledge it.

I mean, it was kind of unfair for him to be in this situation. It was. He's talking about the son of God, who is truth? Right. He's looking at a narrative that he can debate, argue, and figure out on whether it's true because that's the way most people think. People just think, well, let you tell me your argument. I'll tell you mine and we'll figure out which is true.

But Jesus was like, he's already made a mockery of that because he said, I am the truth. I embody, I'm a body that speaks truth because I just am truth. Well, the only way you would acknowledge that is if you start digging deeper, watching him and experience and how he operates, and you'll think, whatever he says is true. That's what. Whatever it is.

Even if I can't wrap my head around. But two things that happened this day, which were interesting. One is we learned that Herod, who was the king of Israel, but in name only, because the Romans are really running the show, he became friends with Pilate over Jesus. They had a relationship from this point going forward. That was just a political entry. But here was the other thing I found interesting. Matthew says in verse 19, while Pilo was sitting on the judge seat, in other words, he's trying to figure out, how do I get out of this with the least, amount of trouble. His wife sends him a message. Don't have anything to do with that innocent man,

for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him. Now, I find that fascinating because, you know, everybody says, oh, well, there's nothing, you know, this thing was all predestined and Pala had a role to play and nothing's going to change that. And, you know, that's the whole idea. But so what about this dream? Where did that come from? Why did she have it? it. And why did she send a warning to her husband, don't do this? And why do you go to other history books that later showed her as a believer? Right. It changed her life.

It did. Because, you know, she put two and two together. Now, why did God allow the spiritual world, I guess, to have that dream? I don't, that's a more difficult answer. But I don't have to know. No. You know? I just find it fascinating that he's just trying to solve an issue.

here in his political life. But she introduces a spiritual theme about this thing. And you know he's like, it's his wife. Oh, he's probably thinking, what in the world is going on? What's happening here? That's exactly right. He had to be. And that's why the next thing he does when they just insist, they go out,

they get the crowd whipped up. No, we want Jesus crucified. And he brings out a thing of water and says, well, I tell you what, I'm washing my hands with this whole thing. I agree. I think it escalated in his mind because his wife's having a drug. My wife said, look, I had a dream about this. You need to stay away from that.

That would get your attention, right? Oh, I'd be like, that is not, that's unusual. And I already didn't, he already probably as a decision maker and a leader, he didn't feel good about it anyway, because you got to remember, no matter what you read or think, Jesus was innocent. He didn't do anything. Correct. So Pilots instincts were right.

Yep. Because that's where he was put, he was looking for the smoking gun. there wasn't even a gun. Or any smoke. No smoke, no gun. We just got nothing. That's right. But I do think it is applicable to our society today about counseling people and what you can whip people up into doing insane.

Yeah. And they've been doing it the same mode. I mean, what actually happened is irrelevant. That's what bothers me so much about politics and why I just. try to, you know, vote for whichever way I think the most godly principles will come out. Because basically in our society, whatever camp you're in, they're just going to defend their side, no matter what the truth. The truth is optional.

You know, I mean, they're not in the book. In the book, I mentioned that the definition of truth, you know, in 1800, 1860, was far different than the definition of truth in modern-day dictionaries. You know, basically the truth is an issue which most people agree. I mean, it's lightweight. Yeah. You know, when, what's his name? The old boy, he was the school system czar, when the country was just founded, you know,

his definition was, you know, Bible. Webster. Yeah, with Daniel Webster. What are you thinking about it? I think you're right, Phu. If you water down so much, you'll come a day when you'll read the Internet. Because the Internet, you can put your own definition on a lot of websites. Remember, social media is married to this cancel culture.

They're married to them. That's right. It's a two-pronged. It's an easy way because you don't have some. social media. It's an easy way to attack. See, they have your truth, but I have mine, and here's mine. Well, they don't realize somebody, one of the other does not have it. If you're on the God's side, you're like, oh, I know who the truth is.

I follow him. Everything he does and has ever said. It's actually a person. It's truth. And then they've got to say, well, that's not my truth. You know, my truth is, you know, get that Bible out of my bridges, because I'd be a tomorrow all day long and you can't do anything about it. Nothing wrong with it. Yeah, my truth, your truth. My truth says, hey, no, go for it. So that's why the pilot question, 2,000 years. It's actually an unreal. It's not real. Yeah. But look how far you'll go though, Dad. So he says, I'm innocent of this man's blood as he's washing his hands. It is your responsibility. He tells the people this.

All the people answered, let his blood be on us and on our children. Yeah. I mean. A few years later, Stephen got up and clarified what he meant by that. That's right. And then you stiff neck. He said, now you murdered all the profits. Now you turned and murdered the savior of the world.

As Jay's described a few podcasts ago, less than 40 years later, blood ran in the streets. That's it. Of them and their children. That's correct. I mean, so, I mean, this, what he said, look, let me double down. I'm coming in judgment. on the clouds of glory. That's what he meant, you know, and this is what happened.

But what I'm saying is it's amazing that you would make a statement like that. And you had just been whipped into a frenzy. They didn't know. Most of these people have been sitting out there listening to him. And he told him, he said, you've been sitting and listening to me for the last three years. Now you come at me with clubs and swords? You know, what changed? Which one of you can prove me guilty of sin?

Yeah, exactly. So it closes, and I guess we will do, it says then pilot releases Barabbas to them. So they get the thug. He's out, which again sounds very familiar to what's going on today. But he had Jesus flogged and handed him over to be crucified. So the last political fix is really no fix at all because Jesus was going to do what he came to do. And the same thing applies today. It does.

And you come up with these same mindsets. You know, let the criminals out, you know, but people that, you know, we want to protest against this, against, you know, systemic whatever. It just, I marveled at this text when I saw how similar 2,000 years later, people can live in the same mindset. Same mindset. How little it's changed. It really is something to see.

And that pretenders think they have all the power. So, all right. So I guess when we come back, we'll finish up the, we get to the cross and then the tomb. And eventually we're going to wind up and we're going to study First and Second Corinthians, which I'm super excited about. That's kind of where we're headed from here. We haven't done really one of the epistles yet, so I think the Corinthian story is pretty amazing. Why not just start off with a doozy? That's right.

The year of the dozy. That's what we'll call it. I mean, join us for that, and you'll feel better about your church. That's right. And by the way, they were started out. They said, you are brothers, you are saved. So it tells you something about... When you say, I'll tell you this place we got,

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