Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 404 | Phil Starts a Duck Blind Feud and Finds Out About TikTok

Episode Date: January 5, 2022

Phil and Jay Stone get into a disagreement in the duck blind, which puts Phil in a bad mood. Jase and Al share what happens to your anger as you age. After the feud, the younger hunters show Phil and Si videos of themselves on TikTok. Jase gives his opinion on self-absorbed people and reminds us that God has called us to his plan. And Jase recalls the time he refused to sing in front of a church filled with women. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? That's wrong. Throw it to me. All right. So we're back. It's, we're officially,

even though we had a couple of episodes there in the new year, this is officially our first foray into 2022. How does that make you feel? Well, here's how it made me feel. We hunted all day on New Year's Day. I mean, on New Year's Eve. Right.

all day and so by the time i got home i was just out so you didn't you didn't you weren't you weren't there when the new year came so watch what happened so the next day we're hunting and and and one of my buddies murray who i metal detect with you know he's like has this long speech about happy new year and it's a new year filled with vision and optimism it was a long and i thought oh i typed I put, oh, it's a new year. I didn't even realize it occurred. But then as I got to thinking about it. See, usually it comes in with, you know, you're used to a new year.

So that means there will be singing and loud, loud fireworks, boom, ba, ba, ba, ball, boom. Well, Phil, that's what I was going to say. Look, I had a dream. Fireworks came out of everything, but that duck was. Yeah, but Phil, I had a dream. There were no fireworks. There were no fireworks to us your end. That's why I had no idea because he's looking up in the air.

It's a sad somber day. I put two and two together. I had had a dream the night before that someone had started firing upon the house. Well, then it hit me. I thought, oh, it was all those fireworks last night. That's why I had the dream that I was under attack. It all makes sense. So were you like, Dad?

Did you come out fighting? Because Dad has these fighting dreams and then look out. for the enemy. I had a weapon in every, every window, every, because I got these little, you've seen these little small windows in my house, which I don't know why they would even put them there. But I just had guns in each port. And I'm really not sure what their problem was. You were like the house in Josie Wales when they were having to, they were shooting out of the

little crosses. That's exactly. I think that actually tied in with a dream because, you know, half. It's always back to Josie Way. Half the conversation at Duck O'Malley for 25 years revolved around that movie. Ever since I wouldn't even, I ended the interview that day, which that's how that became famous. When I made an outlawed Josie Wells reference, and the guy was like, do what now? And I was like, oh, you haven't seen Outlaw Josie Well?

Come back after you've watched that three times. And we'll continue the interview. So he kind of chuckled. but you were serious i said no i'm serious do you want to do you want to still work here i said because i said because you won't understand how the dialogue goes so it's all part of the show

so i said that was that was smart because when he left you know so i said good move on that he's like you know you don't i don't trust a man that how could he be here 25 years and never have just come upon that movie so we're so 2021 is ended with the, I guess, the worst duck season in years. Well, I mean, you can't, can you really have a bad duck season? That's good thinking.

Yeah, I mean, it's not, no. The Ace and Stone started going. Oh, here we go. You don't negative on me. I was like, I was like, everybody's chill out here. Well, I will say the only information I'm getting about duck season, because I haven't been down here to do the podcast with y'all, because we haven't been doing a podcast is from Jay Stone.

So my information is only coming from Stone. We're three minutes into this. Bracking and complaining is way up there. I'm like, we just need to chill out here. So Phil, Jay said, well, this morning I pulled my hamstring, I sweated, is through. And he said, I got my butt chewed out over three whitties. But then I've already, three minutes into this,

I've already, I lost 20 bucks, so things are looking up to him. Because he said, you know he's going to bring it up on the podcast? I said, no, I ain't going to bring that up. Three minutes in. I'm down 20. So Phil cheated about out. But what I've noticed in the Robertson family, because really, yeah, we were griping and being negative, but it's because we didn't want to go where we went.

So in the Robertson family, if you don't agree with somebody. You try to sour the milk. They're like, you're being negative. It's like, no, I just don't want to go there. I don't know. Because it was a lot more worse. It is the way. You're right.

Because if you make it intolerable, then someone will be like, okay, just forget it. That's the goal. That's what you're trying to do. Exactly. So we had a little tith this morning. But when we only shot three wood ducks, you know, people tend to temper. Temper's getting a little short. Look, tomorrow, if we kill a bunch of ducks, it's the complete opposite.

He's laughing and giggling. Oh, then it's everybody's happy, happy, happy, happy. So you know, men have a problem just in general. As hunters just getting along when things are not going well. So that's just the way it is. So, you know, it's healthy. But he said that line that made me think of that in the movie and taken. Remember when he's about to put the turn to juice to the old boy, he's got him in the chair?

And he said, you know, we used to do stuff like this. But the problem is in these third world countries, you don't have a good power supply. He says, so the power goes out. And then we go to pulling fingernails and, you know, putting acid on people. And he said, you know, just tempers get short. He said, but you know what they got here in this country? Plenty of good power. Well, see, we're out of state.

Jay and I are kind of in charge of where we're going. But we do all the work. So I'm like, why go work hard? harder when the odds are we're going to shoot the same amount which is not much so we were like opting to go to easier place i wasn't being negative i can just say i wasn't being negative because i i had the perspective like i said there's no such thing as a bad duck season i just wanted to have a nice easy boat ride out to the blind watch the sun come on no deep mud no deep we're stomping around in the mud i've never had this happen to me this morning this morning

You've heard of that song Stuck in the Mud. So this mud, it's hard to describe. There's a silt at the bottom, but it almost acts as some kind of traction pool, like gumbo mud. So if you turn wrong, you just have to pick your foot up. But it's pretty much, what do you say, how deep that water is? Well, the water is actually about knee deep,

but after you sink down the mud, it's almost waist deep. Oh, wow. But a foot of it is silt. Yeah. And that silt just pulls at you. That's what it's doing. So I put the jerk string out,

and somehow I got the string wrapped around my right foot. Well, every time I would pull, there's a hook on the end of the jerk string that won't allow you to go. And I thought the string was going to pop. So I was trying to get my foot out, but the more I was jostling on my left leg, the further I didn't realize I kept sinking. Yeah.

Well, then when I tried to move, I couldn't move. It has kind of like quicksand qualities. Yeah, this is. And so I've heard stories about this in the Amazon. I kind of had a flash of heat because in that moment I thought, I'm stuck here. It's a form of quicksand. It is. So I said, Jay, I need you right now.

And Jay said, I'm busy. And I said, no, I'm, I didn't know what to say. I just said, I'm, I'm, I'm, and I was doing that. I said, I'm, I'm stuck. And he said, stuck doing what? Because he wasn't happy that we were there. I said, I'm stuck in the month. This is the, this is the, the atmosphere.

Get ready. Well, you got to remember it's dark. Yeah. We still got a month ago, boys. And I have my life. He goes around and I brought some extra breast for the blind. And I said, well, I'll just kill two birds and one stone.

I'll brush the little four-wheeler I've got. I got enough brush to put on the sides and top. And I said, I'll pick that up before we leave, and we'll put it on the blind. It's a good plan. He goes around and sees the stone does and goes to just, we show, who in the world are you? They're scaring all of ducks here. I said, that's not going to scare off any ducks. I've got my four-wheeler brush.

Look, he tears it all off, throws it on the ground and runs over. Willers, cut woolers as hard as to find the brush. and he runs over them in the mud I went out there dug him out of mud you know so we just got off to the wrong that's what set me all about

we got off on the wrong foot well because I was leaning with Jay on that one because I don't like parking the wheeler behind the blight I didn't even know this happened but I got because Jay when he got chewed out

for that Jay wasn't even there it was chewing me out I was like who moved the forward I didn't even know that happened this is one of those directional dialogue to us yeah Well, yeah, I think kill thought I was. We're driving to knee-deep mud.

You can imagine four-wheeler. It's just short of getting stuck. Oh, yeah, the whole time. And it just, blah. But I brought extra brush for the blind, but I had me a little plan there, you know, brushed the four-wheeler first so they can't see it and get the, then gather that up. Willers, we'd cut them earlier, which, fine and the brush is pretty hard these days. Jay, I mean, what I'm saying is Jay moved the wheeler, but he had good intentions.

I mean, he just thought I don't want to take any chances, you know, sunlight, bouncing off the windshield or whatever. But obviously, I made it out of the mud, but to finish the story, he finally realized that, because I had my foot cocked up because I was tangled up in the string, he finally looked over there and shining his light on me. He's like, you can't move? I said, no. And, I mean, he said, well, what do you want to do? I said, get me out. But he actually just. Just when he grabbed my shoulder, it just gave me, because I realized that I didn't want to move,

because it was either fall over and get wet. Well, it was 24 degrees this morning, and the wind was blowing. It was either fall over. You just needed. I needed some stability to start wiggling my foot out. Yeah. Because my boots started coming off. It was one of those deals.

Yeah. I mean, I was stuck. Then it got untangled. But the bottom line was problems emerged, you know, not many kills, not been in but's duck action, you know, and the tempers, tempers flare a little bit. A little short. A little short. Yeah, that happens.

I mean, it's just all fun of that. This was good therapy, so thanks for asking. But, I mean, I was hot for about 10 seconds, you know, but then I thought, eh. It's that word. If I was, you know, 22, I'd have been like, well, you're good. 52. I'm like, well, I tell you where I'm going to that, where I wanted to go this morning. I'm going there tomorrow.

The young bucks now are gray-haired. That's right. Those are the young ones. That's right. Well, the good thing is... We're looking beyond them, and we say, well, it's just a blank slate. There's no youngsters coming on. Well, in the old days, when you were young, you had some kind of cross-deal hunting or whatever.

It may carry over a few days. The good thing about it is now, everybody's older, everybody's like, no, it ain't worth it. You know what's funny? It's not worth the energy to take it into tomorrow. You know what's funny? as since we got into the argument and things because we had a new cameraman, you know, he was looking around. Oh, he's thinking this is some kind of Kardashian reality show here. You know.

Yeah. Were y'all really mad? He asked me that. I was like, well, yeah. But we moved on from it. But it spawned a conversation. So then the rest of the hunt, they looked up famous arguments that we've had that people filmed. I didn't realize that was out there in TV land.

Oh, really? Oh man, Sa I got into one over some pentails that was a knockdown dragout. That was, how many views he said it was? Like 1.5 million. So they've taken arguments out of the duck line and now put it on two of, or on YouTube. Because arguments are usually not the norm. Right. But it was fun.

Disagreements do have them. Well, everybody's pretty stubborn. But it was funny because Sae said, you can get off that horse and in the way he did his arm. He said, because that horse is dead. You know, riding a dead horse? I thought, that was pretty good in the heat of my argument to come up with that. So these are from the, from Dutman videos. Yeah, that's what he said.

I was just hearing it down there. They were laughing and Jay was just laughing. Jay couldn't breathe. He was laughing so hard. So they pulled, you were actually, they were actually watching them in the line. They were watching them in our blind, which was kind of weird because it was us. Well, that's classic, though. So if it gets slow, then you go on.

on the internet and you pull up past arguments. If you have an argument, then go online and look at past arguments. And see where this one right. So you can tell yourself, this is okay. Everyone's okay. Was all this film today? You said a new camera, man. Well, he filmed it, and I said, I don't know if I'd run that.

It's not going to make the YouTube days if you don't put it out. They'll probably put it out there. I'm sure they brought it. There's an argument coming near you. All right. Let's take a break. Well, yeah, so it sounds like everybody needs to, it sounds like we need to talk about the Bible. Going into your Matthew text, I will one more time, when someone, it tells you what's fixing to happen in the future.

And the wordage is, most humans would have said, now, boys, I tell you, I mean, I've got these religious people all fired up here. You know, the Roman Empire, they don't seem too happy about me anyway. So this thing could lead to some serious trouble. That's not the way he said. Right. He said, I'm going to fall into the hands. I must go to Jerusalem. Now, look, he said, we may end up in Jerusalem.

He said, no, we must go to Jerusalem. Correct. Because all these prophets had already predicted what was thinking to happen. And exactly the way it would happen. And the way it would happen. And he said, we're going to suffer. I'm going to suffer many things at the hands of the elder, as chief priest and teachers.

This thing could lead to me having some pain here. Most people's human beings, normal human being, would not have known it was going to lead to this because they had no way of looking in the future. He's talking like it's already happened because of the prophet saying this is what's going to happen. So he finally ended up. He began in Matthew 16,

chief priest and teachers of the law, he must be killed, not like, well, you know, I'll tell you, I could lose my life over this thing if I stir this bunch up and I said, no, I must be killed. I mean, what a way to frame a plan that was thousands of years

in the making, and he gets right down to it, I must be killed. And on the third day, be raised alive. Like, you said, what did you just say? He said, yeah, I must be killed. But on the third day, be raised alive. And they're looking around at each other, like,

no, well. But don't you think it's weird that they all forgot that? You know, everybody deserted, but when he said that,

you know, you turn one page, that's Matthew 16, going toward where you're fixing to go. In 17, he makes it a little shorter. The son of man is going to be.

Not, this could happen, you know, if we're not careful. He said, the son of man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. There's the whole story

about Judas and the whole, and the whole thing. You know what I'm saying? He said, they will kill him. I mean, past tense. They would kill him. And on the third day, he'll be raised alive.

And the disciples were filled with grief. They're like, what? You go, this is it? He's, yes, it. This is it. What a way to lead into your own death for the sins of the world. Right. And be resurrected three days later to give us immortality.

I mean, it's amazing. Well, and the irony is all of human history up until this point, if you wanted to squelch or rebellion, you cut the head off the snake. Once you kill the guy. And you end it. It's over. That's exactly right. I mean, that's how you quell rebellions.

In this case, that's when it took off. Exactly. That's why the story is so amazing. It has to be a divine origin because it was a complete flip of the way human being would do. By the way, all the readings and old writings of other. religions, it's not even close to this. No. No.

You don't know what happened to the people except they died and that wound it up. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's a good question. Think of all the movements since the beginning of time. Any kind of either nationalistic or religious or whatever movement you can think of, movement of people. This one, unlike all others, flourished when the leader.

died. That's correct. Because it was meager in its origin. And it's still here 2,000 years later. And still the number one selling book, even with online, is the Bible. This is right, right? So I wonder what people think about that. They just don't believe that Jesus is the son of God.

I don't believe they... How come all other movements went down in status once the originator died? Because that's the problem. Leadership, they all die. Well, part of the problem, Jay's, is that it's probably the same thing that grips people today, even after all these years, that gripped it back then, which I find this intriguing. So in Matthew 27, which is where we're picking up in 27, He's just had the thing with Pilot, you know, and Pilots intrigued, and he doesn't want to kill him

because he knows he doesn't deserve to be killed. And yet he— Maybe he'll get out of this. Right. And he's got all this pressure, you know, on him from these people. He's trying to quell his ride. And his wife. And his wife, who had the vision.

But what was interesting was when he hands him over to be crucified in verse 27, to your point, Jay. Then the governor's soldiers took Jesus into the Praetorium, gathered the whole. whole company of soldiers, they strip him, they put a scarlet robe on him, they twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand, knelt in front of him and mocked him. Hell, king of the Jews, they spit on him. They took the staff. They struck him on the head again and again. And after they mocked him, they took off the robe and put his clothes and they took him away. So I find it interesting. Why do people like, they didn't, I mean, their job was to kill him, but killed him wasn't enough.

No. They had to mock and demean him. Which he said they would do. Which he said they would do in the process. And so to your point, I think if you don't see it, if you don't have either the heart of eyes to see it, then you tend to always want to be against it. And that's what these people. I mean, like, why would they do that?

I can't think of any good reason other than just they were hateful people. But I'm, I mean, why would you need to do that? He's already sentenced to death. You know, he's been, he's been flogged. Al, the old mob mentality is still there. That's exactly right. And that's my point. I think people, if you're against it, you have to demean it and say it's for idiots.

And gather you some more that will agree with you. Exactly. But I think the underlying theme of why they did it is they're trying to silence people from doing this in the future. Yeah, you want to make it unpalatable. You don't come out and claim that you're going to do something other than the privilege that we, grant you. So if you're going to claim to be, you know, the story about, yeah, go go get a fish and take the two coins out of his mouth and pay the taxes, stuff like that to a government.

They're like, do what now? That's the stupidest, craziest thing I've ever heard, you know. Whoop him? Yeah, you're the king, you know. I mean, it just, you're trying to silence any rebellion, I think. Plus, you're working off of the assumptions. that he's really not who he says he is, obviously. In other words, we've got to put a stop to this

because some other guy comes up and says he's the king of this. Some crazy, man. Right. You know, yeah. I mean, you said in politics, even today, the other side is trying to silence. They're trying to crucify you. That's right.

To keep the other side quiet, because if you keep the other side quiet, that means you keep winning. One of their charges was this fellow said, I'm able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days. That's right. Yeah.

That's right. You're like, well, they, a little bit off on their study there, on what was exactly going on here, you know. He's going to destroy the temple and build it back in three days. He said, that's how crazy he is. Right. Oh, they were dreaming up more scams. What's ironic is, of course, we know what he meant, and his disciples figured out once he

came back from the dead. But in 80s, 70, which we talked about back in Matthew 24, when the temple went down, and guess what? It did stay destroyed. Yeah. I mean, you go there now, it's half a wall. That's it. You know what I'm saying? Have you been there, Jay?

I mean. People still are grabbing at the wall. Like, they're still looking at the physical and not the spiritual implications of what happened there. Having to this day. It's amazing to me in the story, us going through Matthew, at how the mentality is still there. The cracks in the walls. they said are just full of prayers. Yeah.

They write them down. They slide it up in the crack. Bill, I saw them. By the thousands. Yeah, I saw that. By the millions by now.

But I'm like, if you still are looking, I mean, I was moved being in some of the physical locations because I imagine Jesus being there. And so you're overcome in that light. Sure. But you're not any holier because you're standing on.

piece of dirt over there than you are over here. Isn't it interesting that they call it the Holy Land? Yeah, that's right. I mean, but, and I get it, again, Jesus walked there, a lot of people that we obviously have a lot of respect for, but holiness is where believers are. I mean, this is still the temple, you know, and sometimes you miss that, which a lot of people do, which we talk about it. I mean, we're going to get to that Romans 8-11, you know, but the same spirit that

raised Jesus from the dead is living in us, which would mean, everywhere you are, the Spirit of God is. Therefore, that's now holy. Yeah. I mean, you remember the holy ground, the soul lives to say. And with the old pink flower, they didn't know this, but they kind of, you know, we're just another brick in the wall. Pink Floyd kind of missed it, you know, in their verbids, but I mean, I'm just saying. It's pretty amazing that you would be considered that he's the cornerstone

and with the stone added to it. Well, there's a lot of walls. You need to make sure you're a brick in God's wall. You want to be a part of the God's building. It's put together by something spiritual that is not offered by the world. It's actually positive. That's what... Pink Floyd took it on and they decided it would be good,

and they try to say you're worth nothing. You're just another brick in a wall. Yeah, they spun it in a negative way. Oh, yeah. We're spinning it. And we're looking at it like, boy, you all need to, we need to have a study. Let's sit down to talk. That's right.

Let's take a break. Yeah, and Trump viewed that as positive. We want to build this wall. We're all bricks in it. Well, you know, speaking of that, the governor of Texas just decided he'd pick up where Trump left off. He's building his own wall. which is pretty good for the rest of us. Well, what I find fascinating is because when you read this,

it doesn't seem to make sense, I think, practically, that the disciples, because he told them over and over, I'm going to die, and I'm going to come back in three days, you would have thought that they would be saying, okay, this is day one. Remember that time he said he was going to come back three days? Well, I mean, it just seemed like, though, you're sitting around talking, but it just wasn't the case.

And I think the only rational explanation to that is is that we think following Jesus is going to produce something. And when that doesn't happen, you forget what he actually said. I mean, because we have the Bible here, and we know that some roads are going to be bumpy. It's going to be difficult. We are going to suffer, even if we're in Christ. I mean, things happen.

And I think there's an important lesson in that. is that following Jesus seems like a great idea. But when you actually do it, especially the first couple weeks when you're making that transition from your old life, it's one of the most difficult things you'll ever do on the planet. These people that took him to be crucified, two robbers, I think you're going to mention this later, two robbers were crucified with it, one on his right and one on his left. those who pass by hurled insults at him shaking their heads and saying, you who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days,

save yourself, come down from the cross if you're the son of God. Right. Not knowing that the whole plan, no. Well, and that's what makes it to me even worse. Then he wouldn't have paid for the sins of the world. So it wasn't just the mocking and demeaning by the soldiers. but then once he's on the cross his own people. Oh, yeah.

The people he came to save. Oh, yeah. Or coming by. They're just heaping it on the same time. Oh, yeah, you're really going to save yourself. Yeah. The same way the chief priests and teach of the law and his elders mocked him. He saved others, they said, but he can't save himself.

That's the way they had it spun. Right. Boy, you're talking about some tough hearts, Al. It was tough. It's exactly right. And, of course, we know. from the on the case of the robbers or the thieves that we know from one of the other accounts that they both start out, I mean, they're hanging on either side. And they both start out joining in

the fun to mock him. But then one of them has a change of heart. And it doesn't say what made him realize, but at some point as they're hanging there, and he's watching all this. And I guess he's watching Jesus's response, which is nothing. Yeah. And he says, wait a minute, we deserve to be here, but he doesn't. And then he looks at Jesus and he's like, you know, I believe in what you're saying. And then he tells, it's one of the seven things he said on the cross. Today you'll be with me in paradise. So, I mean, what I thought about it was really interesting because the first guy, really that sort of got it was a guy hanging there under the same sentence. They realized that, wait a minute, there's something different

about this guy. Plus, he knew he didn't have long. That's right. I mean, you, you You don't come down off of here. No. Because about the time you think, you know, you might live a little longer. They come by and break the way. You got a change of heart just in time. That's exactly right. You talk about, but, you know, it reminds me of that parable that we talked about, about the workers, remember?

Because Jesus told the story about the ones that came in the last hour. Yeah. They got the same thing as the ones that they earned. And they didn't like that. But, I mean, look, as long as you get it, which is really a great hope for anybody because you can miss it for most of your life. life, but as long as you understand at some point who Jesus is, which is powerful. Which is the ultimate. You're going to be so happy that you're in, you're not going to worry that somebody got in

right before they died or whatever the case may be. I mean, you're not going to be looking over there saying, because then that's a self-absorbed narrative way to look at this anyway. Right. And God's calling us to surrender to his plan, and he's fair. us and if you believe that with absolute certainty, it's just not something you're going to, that's not a road you're going to go down. Well, and I've always thought that too, Judge.

Why would you be against that? Like, I would. Oh, it's just what we do. When we have a get together, especially through society, when you think about it, people would get together, they'd have the important places. And everybody was, everybody's trying to be the famous, you know, important people. Yeah. of society.

Have you ever noticed that in life? It's always been. It's just a little. So now it's just manifests itself in social media. Right. Whoever's got the most followers, what? Well, they're the most important people. Yeah.

Even though they may be the worst person in the world. Oh, they may be, you know, a drug dealer or killing puppies. Who knows? I mean. A drug dealing puppy killer. Yeah. How do you really know? It's just a narrative.

That's right. We had a big, another argument today over TikTok, which was funny because Phil, I mean, Sa was calling it Tick-Tac. And they were like, no, you put that in your mouth when you have bad breath. Just so your love, Phil has no idea what you're talking about. Do you know the difference between Tick-Tac and Tick-Tock? No. Well, TikTok is a place where you can put videos.

Yeah. It's the new rage. There's always a new and it comes along. I don't even know if it's new anymore. What's the clock part? I guess as time is ticking by, this is what's happening. Yeah, I guess. This is, they're little funny videos.

You're trying to just hit it where a lot of people view something. Well, I learned something, man. Well, because one of the arguments they were playing between us and Si was on TikTok. And so somebody put it on there. That wasn't me, and it wasn't Si. Oh, and Si's on it? Oh, yeah, men, Sire arguing. Somebody put it on TikTok.

Oh, I see. So somebody could take your stuff. Well, in deference to the womanhood. Hang on for you to read then. Let's take a break. Many women were there watching from a distance with all this going on. When Jesus died, the crucifixing. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his knees.

I think in your notes, you had mentioned his. I call them the Marys. Yeah. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph and the mother of Zebedee's sons. So these women who had been faithful

cooking them meals, being with them, from their own little, what little money they had, you know, when Jesus was on the earth, they were there. They don't get enough credit. They were kind of off. Yeah, they really don't.

They don't. They're kind of off over there, you know. And it just brings it up. Matthew brings it up. When I preached about this, Dad, I made, it's just, it had never, it struck me. It's a strong thing for a woman. It struck me as something new, even though I read this text, you know, thousands of times, is that I said, you know why the Marys, because there were two of them there the day he was resurrected, which we'll get to. But you know why they were able to be the first ones to see the resurrection?

Because they were the first ones to see him. Mary Maglin is the first one to see him. You know why? Because they never left. Yeah, they didn't. No. I mean, they didn't hit the road. They never hit the road.

That's a good point. You know, and I thought sometimes, sometimes it seems like the best thing to do is run away. But for the people that just hang in there, you can see amazing things. I mean, whether it's a marriage, whether it's relationship. And they got it early. That's right. They were with them the whole way. As you see, the greatest thing is because you just never left.

It's a reflection of their heart. I mean, they just, I think the Chosen is doing a good job on that. Really good job. And, you know, they were at a distance which, you know, you take women being out, hollering and screaming and carried on. And no, it wasn't that kind of thing. They just so very quietly waiting. Right.

And the disciples were long ago. And we're going to get into that when we study the Corinthians, you know, because the early church there, you had a woman or two kind of out of line in the church that caused this controversy. and somehow, fast forward 2,000 years, and a lot of churches have nullified women's skills overall because of that. Yeah.

It's all of a sudden they don't want them doing anything. Oh, yeah. And look, the Mary's in the story, not just here at the crucifixion and resurrection, but they were the ones that were helping support Jesus the whole time. They were there tending to him, taking care of him, putting money in. Seemingly, all the men. at the road, but the women didn't. So for all you girls out there,

this, this is the model woman right here. It reminded me, Jason went down a few times. When I first started preaching, you know, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm in school to be a preacher, but, you know, you're just, I've never done it before.

So you can't work because we're in school every day. You know, we're full-time students. But you got to make a little extra money. I got a family. and so I started driving down about an hour south of here and preaching that little small little church because it was $25 a week. That was $100 a month.

That's big bucks for me back in the 80s. And so I drove down there, but all that was left to this church, which at one time had been a pretty thriving place, was about 25 women. So there's no men there. You mean the men were? Whatever reason.

Most of them were widows. The men had died, but the other ones are just like filled in for you a couple of times and you couldn't do it so i remembered i walked in i thought we're all the men so they left they go they go but i few 28 here we go because i thought about it was a church full of marries and they were some of the sweetest little ladies and we'd have a dinner on the ground invite people from the community you know and of course i was a one-man show yeah i went in taught and priest and but you know actually what you're saying is they were there until they died that's exactly right and that's what i'm saying there was something

very noble and admirable. Some people look at it as a sad thing, but I thought, these women are, they're still hanging in there, you know, they're not. Exactly. Yeah, I'll tell you a funny story. I probably never have told you this. Because they, you know,

they came from kind of a conservative background, so they wanted you to do everything. And I said, like, because I'm a man. I said, hey, I can't sing. I'm terrible. So, I'm going to make you feel better.

you're not wanting to lead singing because you think it's some kind of misuse of authority, which I disagree with. And we were young. We didn't even know a lot then, but I didn't care. I was like, what are they going to do, fire me. I'm feeling in for Al. The worst thing's going to happen to me is they're like, you're crazy brother.

Don't send him back then. That goes at 25 bucks. I said, whatever authority you think I have, I am giving it to you, the best singer. Who's the best singer in this? room. And look, they all, everybody raised their hand but one person because when they raised their hand, they were all pointing to one woman. And I said, I give you the authority to be. And you were like 20 at the time. They weren't laughing. But I was kind of kidding like, hey, I'm not leading singing, but you are. And you know what? She nervously turned over there and let us in a song. And we got

past that. You know, she could sing. Oh, she was awesome. Well, you should have told me that and I would have had to do it all the time. I didn't. I mean, I knew you were, but I just thought, you know, it was way better. And she led it. And it was, it just kind of made me think, you know, we come up with these things in our mind.

And we're just missing the forest. As if it was starting to song. So when we were at Luna, which is a little church that dad and some of the others, we kind of started out here closer to home. nobody could lead singing, and I wasn't very good either, but I was willing. I was a new Christian, you know, I'd just come back. I just drew the line out. But I would get up there, and I would start the song, but I wasn't really the leader.

There were two sisters, and y'all remember who they were, sitting on either side in this little small place. One of them could sing and what them couldn't, but they were both loud. And so when I would start the song, it was a race to who took over. Would it be? I don't remember that. You don't remember this? So one of them, Doris, she went on to be with the Lord, and the other one was Brenda.

She was a preacher's wife. But she could sing. So when I would start it, the battle would ensue. Who would take the song? Would it be Doris, who bless her heart? She couldn't sing, but she was like. This should be incentive to convert more people. That's right.

So then you don't notice. And then it would be terrible or it would be great, but it had nothing to do with me. I was just the, I was the one that said the first word of the song. Let's take another break. So yeah, the Mary's, I mean, that's a... But you're right, Al, your illustration in that story, those were inspirational women. Yes. That, because at first when I walked in, I thought, man, where's all the men?

But as I went on, I realized, man, these are, because it was a really small town too. Yeah. Well, it was one of these typical Louisiana towns that was a boom town back when oil was going great and all that, but then forestry, but now it was nothing. Yeah, that wasn't a hundred people in the town. town was dying. So how far was it, how far you, y'all have been over, was it from Galilee to Jerusalem? I don't, it's not far. I mean.

You can see it, but I mean, you could see on the, this, the sea of Galilee was like in a bowl. Because they had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. Right. Well, I would say what? Three, seven miles. I think it was a little bit further. But it was, I mean, they were. walked it, you know, all the time and went through there. We'll have to look that up.

I wanted to mention in our last segment here on this one a little bit about what he said, because people have made a lot about, he only said seven things during these hours that he was dying. And Matthew only mentions one of them, but it is one of the most interesting ones, and we've had people ask us about it before. He mentions when he said, this is about the ninth hour, Jesus cries out in a loud voice, L-O-I-L-O-I-L-A-L-A-L-A-L-A-L-A-L-A-Sabachina, which is Aramaic, it means my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

So what did he mean by that? What's your take on? Because a lot of people have made a lot about that statement. Oh, he, you know, he wasn't really God, or, you know, he felt defeated in the moment. What do you think he meant by that? Because the people standing there, when they heard it, they said,

oh, he's calling Elijah. because he said, no, I know, I'll, but they missed the point. I mean, I've always just thought later when I, I mean, I have a different take on it, which is probably not unusual. But, you know, in Acts 2, where it said it was impossible for him

for death to keep its hold on him, I've always looked at it like God had to just remove himself and just only allowed the human side of him to be there for him to die. So, I mean, what was the purpose for God forsaken him? Because people look at that forsaken, and they're like, oh, God, you know, why is he saying that God's abandoning him? Wasn't he in on the plan?

But I looked at it like, well, somebody had to forsake somebody or he couldn't have died. What they're thinking, save Jesus and kill all the rest of them. It's a mindset for what y'all did, you know, they would say there. He said, why don't we just, why don't we just do it right now to kill them all? Right. Well, and here's the thing. But he didn't. But here's my take.

So Jesus, again, is fulfilling a prophecy with this statement. It was Psalm 22. Yep. So when it was said, when it was framed as a question in Psalm 22 by David, I mean, it seemed like it made more sense. It did make sense to people that when Jesus said it, because it's like he's asking a question like he doesn't know the answer. But to Jason's point, I agree.

I think in the moment, his full humanity's on display, not his divinity, because he's about to die. Gods don't die. And especially our God. I mean, he's infinite outside of time. So he had fully in his humanity, he's taken on the sins of the whole world in this moment. Everybody's sin. He had none, but he felt the weight of that in that moment. And I think that was the proper.

There's two purposes of the statement. One is in the moment, that's what he felt. So he's making this exclamation. Second thing is the only reason it was framed into question was because he's quoting what David said in Psalm 22. So I think people have made too much. That was the first thing I was thought of. I was like, well, he's actually quoting the prophecy.

But, I mean, we agree. Because, I mean, it does say of Philippians, too, what he said, that he emptied himself. And he became a servant being made in human likeness. taking the nature of a service. So there was an emptying, allowing him to die. But even then, it still couldn't. He didn't decompose.

He died for us, but it was impossible for death to keep its own on. That's right. It's a subject that I never hear people talk about in the religious world. I don't know why. Which is why the tomb part of that is so important, because you're right, he didn't see any decay. I mean, because look, as a kind of a redneck Well, I was educated, but not, you know, I didn't have a master's degree or anything.

When I heard this part, but when I heard this part, that's when I was standing up saying, I'm following him. This is where I'm going. The old, he can't die as much death as we see. And even as a hunter and just, you know, they were talking about that story. somebody was telling the story today. They shot a deer and the buzzer was on it.

What do he say? It was like 30 seconds? He shot the deer. There was a buzzard within 30 seconds coming down on the deer. Wow. And they were like... Started with the deer's eyeballs. Yeah.

It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And that thing is still warm. Oh, yeah. Then the law says you can't shoot a buzzard. But I'm like, that's my deer. He's trying... I would be like, wait a minute here. This is a self-defense situation.

But I'm just saying. as much death and decomposing that you see on a daily basis, whether it's human or in the animal world. I mean, here's a... We see thousands of buzzards working the treetops all the time, looking for anything dead. Yeah. Here's a being that said, no. Yeah.

I mean, to me, that should be one of the most talked about things, that death could not keep its hold on him. That's why I just think when it comes to this, I think that is the answer, even though I don't think he was looking for an answer. I just think that's an answer that helps you. Well, it's because we're all sinners, and this was the way for justice to be done on the cross.

And deep, deep love. That's exactly right. And it's not something to be sad about because I try, I mean, what you want him to say is I tried to tell you 30 times that I was going to die. three days later, I'm going to be back. Yep. You know?

Well, and so just to close out, the other things he said, of course, he's in John, he tells the apostle John to take care of Mary. Remember he says, woman, behold your son, son, this is your mother. He also tells the thief, today you'll be with me in paradise. He also looked at the people at his feet and said, Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing, which was powerful. I mean, his executioner and torturers, he called for forgiveness for them. And by the way, this old deal about, well, you don't have to forgive somebody unless they ask for it.

These guys didn't ask for anything. No. And they were the worst people in the moment. Yep. And he said, forgive them. He also said, of course, our statement we read it. Then he said, I thirst. Of course, they tried to give him some stuff to kind of ease his suffering.

He wouldn't take it. Then he said, the last two things he said was, it is finished, Father, into thy hands, or into your hands, I commit my spirit. So, which again, in this whole idea about forsaken at the end, he realized he was about to leave the body, just like every other person. And what happened within the next three days is beyond me. So would you say that the paradise that he was referring to with the thief on the cross, that's when that was occurring?

He said, today you'll be a good. in paradise, which made it sound like they were going to be in some place that was good. You know, because there's a lot of, you know, people said he went to hell and because of First Peter. To me, I've always looked at it like, it's kind of like you're sleeping, but you're having a really good dream, you know, because the Bible translates it, I'm not saying you're sleeping, but my mind can't comprehend beings that don't rot when they're dead. Right. So.

And that's the big question. Everybody wants to know. Is it soul sleep? Is it purgatory? Is it, are you some place of awareness? You know, the parable from Luke 16, you know, with the rich man. So there's... He told that Robert that today you will be here.

He did say today. I mean, you know. But, you know, every day is different once you're dead. Because then it's like... Yeah, there's no tracking of time. See, that's why there's no TikTok in the afterlife. So you might... You might are to put your faith and trust in Jesus, because if it's in some video on the TikTok.

That's what always gets to me. It's like all these people in Hollywood have these moments of time and they think, well, we're changing the world. You know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, what, 20 years ago, he said, I'll be back. Because people like that. Because why? Because you're like, oh, it's over. I'll be back. No, you won't.

What? I mean, Jesus is technically the only person. Even the Terminator. Even the Terminator guys smashed. Well, it's the same thing that I get off on these movies. They're like, he's the Terminator? No, you're Terminal, just like the rest of us, Mr. Terminator. Even the Terminator.

Jesus said, I'll be back and guess what? He came back. Said, hey, I'm back. Now, that's coming back. I'll be back on another movie one day. That's so good, Jay's that we need to save that because next time we'll talk about coming back and what that meant. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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