Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 409 | Phil Shares How Not to Get Canceled & Jase Confronts a Man About His Foul Mouth

Episode Date: January 14, 2022

Phil gives Jase a few words of advice to avoid being put on an “indefinite hiatus” after the "Duck Dynasty" incident. Jase describes walking the streets of Corinth, and Al tells of the Greek city lying in ashes for 100 years before being rebuilt by Julius Caesar himself. Jase explains how confrontation is really an opportunity. And Al shares how a broken window led to gratitude after a devastating storm. Get your copy of Uncanceled signed by Phil Robertson: https://talkshop.live/watch/fK2YE3ZwZcKC - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I don't understand these people. They're like, so tomorrow I will continue filming our show. And the people who listen to the podcast, they actually helped the origin of it. And so they're like, oh, don't talk about it. I'm like, well, if we don't talk about it, how will people know that it's coming? That's right. I noticed you were like, I saw something, some post it was like,

We got news coming. Oh, yeah. It's a big announcement. People are like, what's the big announcement? Then they said, you can't tell anybody. So I'm not going to tell you, but if you drive by the area in the next few weeks and see me with a metal detector out in someone's yard or perhaps a plow field with a lot of cameramen following along. You'll know that I might be. Maybe a show might be.

Yeah, there may be a show. but who knows it may not pan out we can never say for sure well i know a lot of you have been asking and i've been holding off too about our podcast and about dad's show in the woods so i will have more to say about that hopefully by next week but i'm kind of under the same lockdown situation but we're we are going forward obviously we're into a new study so we're excited about the future and hopefully we can give you some more one point to make uh because it can pass a them by and they'll miss it. We showed them little snippets of what it takes to duck hunt wherever you are in these United States. And one of the things people miss, if they say,

if they're wondering what is in the woods with Phil, if they question that or say, well, what exactly is going on there, I've been in the woods all week. I'm 5 o'clock in the morning. I'm in the woods. I don't think. And it's till dinner around dinner time, 12 o'clock, we come out. I don't think people are wondering where you are. Phil, it's the perfect segue.

Because your camera people probably, they all, you know, it's a small group. They went from in the woods with Phil to in the fields with Jay's. That's right. That's what we need to name the show. Yeah. In the field. Look, one of these. By the way, Jace, you want to.

you want to try to make this happen. We've filmed that show. Have your people call his. We filmed in the woods with Phil for three years. Was it three years? Four years. Four years. It just went by so fast it seemed like that.

Somebody added it up and we did 800 episodes. I added it up. You stop everything and here you go to the woods. And sometime I just said, look, let me just sit in this chair. Sometimes it was in the chair with him. One thing came out of that that's worthy of note, and I want the audience to know that, the ones of you who watched in the woods,

the people who produced that, the cameramen and all that I was with during all these episodes, 800 topics. Think about it. Eight to 12 minutes or so. So they were short episodes. Short episodes. I'm only doing 10.

But I wanted everybody to know. Chase, they were a vlog in the business. We call that a vlog. The cameraman. What is a vlog? A video blog. The camera guys, one seated right there. The camera guys said when it all ended, I mean, as far as we know, we don't know what to come up.

And by the way, just to set that up, over the four years, we had different people because some people that were with us at the beginning were not with us at the end. They came with a thank you. And they said, Rawlinson, we did all those episodes. Not once did we say. not once. Let's do that again. Not once. In four years,

they never said, I think if you had said it this, no, that's one. Two is, at no time, was there any, any,

they said, there was no friction at any time coming from you at all and among us. Not one bit of friction, not one bit of disagreement. None.

four years. That's a long time to do that kind of job. And there was not one crossword, not one temper tantrum. No four letter words? No. Don't you think, but dad, don't you think all TV shows are like that? I just say, if you watch TV and Jay said, I want if I'd make it with a medical, medical, a metal detector.

A medical detective. I wonder if I can make it with that. Well, after watching all these shows that are on there, Most of them, all you need, Jace, to make it a show is make sure you've got some chick jumping up and down, their boobs. I mean, after a while, you say, you know. Are you going to have that chance? No, we don't have that. Jay, I'm what I'm saying, Jace, based on what's already on TV, you have a grand chance for this thing to go ballistic, son.

That's right. Well, I think I'm in the, I think where I'm headed the right direction, because I have the complete opposite. So I may jump up and down a couple times. Yeah, but nobody wants to see that because then he can't breathe for the next. He'll have no lines for the next five minutes because he can't speak anymore. So we'll see how it goes. I wish you well there, Jason, that endeavor. I mean, he actually is going to miss a few days of duck hunting to do that.

Oh, now, Phil, I know I'm not supposed to talk about this because I was like, we're just breaking all norms today, aren't we? This guy sent me a schedule. You know, this is Hollywood type. and here's why I know that when I say Hollywood type here's what I mean he sent me the schedule and I sent back

and said I think there's been a mistake because y'all actually have this starting during duck season good point and he said no that's what you agreed you agreed to that and I was like what

so so evident why did I do that? I didn't look at the fine print but and I said well okay that's fine because I mean they already had it I didn't want to upset

the apple cart and and i'll say this about both of y'all is which is a positive you may be tough to get signed up but once you're signed up you're going to do what you said you're hey i'm a man of more and so we'll i'll have to but you know why i thought any great venture there has to be some sacrifice so i'm actually sacrificed in a few days or you got to remember jays just remember but you're not missing a lot what's your old dad what he ran in you picked a good season be careful with the Bible verses you quote because I quoted one and I got a memo and they sent down there and it said you have you have we put you on an indefinite hiatus we did not fire you Mr. Roberts and when they came back to apologize later they said we didn't fire you you were on an indefinite hiatus I said yeah

I read that so I looked up hiatus and it says something to the effect no longer part of the program they put the hiatus on me. All I did was quote one Bible verse. But they came back, Phil, with 800 episodes. That's right. In the end. And that says my company, mine and Zach's company, produced your show. I mean, I can say, you know, because at first we were all together kind of brainstorming.

Here's what we're going to do. But after you got the hang of it, the reason why there was no friction is because it was just turn on the cameras and let you go. and you had always good things to say. I know folks love the show. Obviously, there will be some changes that are coming down to pike and hopefully I'll get into detail. I'll give some updates as we go along and we'll see how it goes. Because you're right, Jay's, the Unashamed Nation is the reason

that there would be a treasure hunting show or whatever it's being called. Metal Tad Show, because you said, if y'all say it's a bad idea, I'm not going to do it. And you were 100% since here. I think they don't want me talking about it because they don't want people saying, When's it coming out and went? I have no idea. It may be weeks, months. So this will give you good incentive to stay alive.

Stay tuned. But we're going to film it. And I figure, I know these, I've got these people figured out pretty good. If they spend some money to film things, at some point, it's coming out. That's right. That's right. The people don't like to film stuff and then just hang on to it because nobody can make it. So we'll see.

I'll begin. I will say this. There's three of the godliest men I know will be. be on the show Silas Murray Crow I converted to him about 30 something years ago and

Kyle are you going to be part of it? I'm not part of old Jepico okay that's three yeah and Murray I guess I guess you need to work on your godliness oh and Sai there's actually four of us yeah the four's the fourth one

Sy? Jace what about me? Murray Jep oh and Jeff yes that's the fourth I was waiting to see who is not on the list. It's a godly crowd.

It is a godly crowd. And look, I've actually seen footage in the pilot, and it's excellent. I mean, I found myself being as intrigued and liking as much as I liked our old show. Jay, sis, you're on the edge of a precipice. You're on the edge where Hollywood and the likes of you come together with love and their heart. That's how close you are right now to make a mission. show of success. Bringing Hollywood and the redneck world together with love.

Well, here's my comment on that. Are you going to wear that hat on the show? Well, look, we don't have. Is this about medieval metal to take? There's no wardrobe person on our show. So that saves them money. It actually came up. And I said,

what about makeup? I don't think. No hair makeup. No hair makeup, no wardrobe. Just remember. You know what I said? Had I been invited to be on your show? And you may still be.

I would have invited me. You may still be. I would taxfully have said, I don't think so. Let's let's wait to next. What about, are you ruling out of a guest star though? Do you want to be a guest star? You could be a guest. I might can make that happen, but I'm not sure because I don't know where I'm.

I think you could. But I thought I'd tell you this cute little story. So one of these, you made all these new people, the producers and all this. You're talking about all the people that dad never knew their name? Yeah. Well, and I don't know this guy's name off top of my hand. Well, there you go.

The new fill will be Jays. I call people that I don't know their names. I call them. Ask no name of it. I'll say, I don't know his name, but I mean, just asking.

So I found this spot. We had a guy that worked for us for a year, and you called him. I found this spot. We took this guy duck hunting, and he was like, my dad, you know, has some land over here.

And one thing led to another. I was like, well no where is that at and I thought it might have some historical lost items so I went over there looked around and met his dad and he's like oh yeah great so I told one of the producers I was like we're going to go hunt here so put that on the schedule and he's like what are we going to find I said I don't know but it'll be good trust me they said well we'd like to go check it out because they wanted to see what it looked like so I gave them the coordinates I said drive over and look so just in between

our filming here he sent me a text and he said you were right this place is rad it's what rad like the color red like the color red oh rad

I looked up rad because I wasn't familiar with that term is short for radical yeah it's radical and I thought that must be good so I type although most of time

when I think of the word radical it's not good but I think he meant positive he seemed excited so what I'm saying is so then I said okay and he's like well I was thinking about this time we can meet here and you know we'll do whatever the schedule was and I was like yeah I'm in and then he sent back this dig it did he mean like digging the ground or was this I have no idea what that meant and I thought who are these people rad and dig it but then it hit me I thought there was the name of the show. That's it.

If I would have met this guy before, we would have just named it, dig it. Dig it. What do you think? I like it. I do too late. Wasn't it back in the 70s, wasn't that a saying, dig it? Yeah.

I remember, I don't know what year. It was like after talking to this guy, I think the 60s 70s. I can dig it, maybe. Yeah, I think it's coming back. I need to look that up. So I thought you'd find that humor. that somehow will try to find some magic between Hollywood and...

Well, according to Dad, you're right on the precipice. Oh, it was a Beatles song. What was... Do you know there was a song... The Beatles sang a song called Dig It. Oh, my goodness. That could have been our theme song. Like a Rolling Stone, like the FBI.

Digit. Dig it. Yeah, you know what they'd say? They'd say, no, Jace. If you want the Beatles song, Digit, that's going to cost you one. 1.7 trillion dollars. I went through a phase in my former life where the standard was saying was who's a man. Yeah.

Always remember that that will get you killed. Yeah. Yeah. Phil, a lot of my misery and things I've had to get over from my childhood and all came from me following that saying that you put in my head and brainwash me. Oh, here's another one, Jay. you like this, it was a Booker T who used to wrestle in the WWE

he had, he had the catchphrase, can you dig it? Yeah. And so that he made it pretty famous. So anyway, I'll try to get that in the show at some point. Dig it. I think dad should be a guest on there. Let's take a break.

I think he could have a, just a guest star. We'll see. We'll see that goes out. Dad's like, yeah, no. I get one of those things like, Phil, you want to go to this place? Yep, no. I mean, we can talk like I'm on.

Is it pre-duck season or post-duck season? Why is during duck season? Well, they may not all be during the season. Phil, you got to remember, I'm on, I'll take some inspiration. You know, you wrote a book called Uncanceled. What I want you to know is, glad you mentioned it, is that if I get into the show and the opposite of your book happens, I'm not going to, you know, lay my head on my pillow and. Just remember. Get it canceled.

Just remember Jesus has already canceled the written code on our behalf. And I'm thankful that he did. And so you don't have to worry about being canceled. And the people that pass judgment on others, they're not Christians, but they pass judgment on others, and they do the same thing they're passing judgment on it. So they're guilty as charged.

If you just could have a big old dose of forgiveness, we could probably move past the law. That's what the new book's about. It is. And by the way, talkshoplive.com, you can still go there to get a signed copy. So you might want to check that out. Well, my point is I'm not putting in my priorities of life, a TV show is pretty far down the list. So, and we have a, you mentioned the four guys that were on it.

We got together before the, we did the pilot and decided that our mantra would be, if God is for this, it'll be successful. which was the same macha for that. If not, we're not going to worry about it. I said, these people don't want to see a bunch of rednecks hunting ducks. They don't want to see that. I said, I don't think it would work. I said, however, if God is behind it, it'll go ballistic.

As it happened, it went ballistic. Yeah, but who thought you were going to be doing a show where we really weren't hunting ducks? Yeah. Well, but you know, the natural, now, the natural progression has been amazing because you know, first there was a duck commander because without that there's no business, there's no reason people would want to watch anything anyway. Then there was a bunch

of hunting videos. Then there was this show which really wasn't about hunting but was about us. And then people said, well, I don't know. I need to check these guys out and guess what? Now millions of people listen to Unashamed podcast and in the woods and all these others and they found out what were

really all about. Which is not about us. That's what I'm saying. The sparks that we have and joy comes from the Lord above. That's right. And that's what's driving the train. Yep. Yeah.

And that's why, by the way, to start into our First Corinthians study, the big problem they were having that we mentioned last time was that they were putting the people who had taught them or baptized them or led them to Christ above Christ. They were saying, well, I follow Paul. But, you know, we're going to talk a little bit about the context of Corinth, Jase, because I want to be. you to tell your experiences. You're the only one of the three of us that have actually walked on the streets of ancient Corinth. I was there and pretty recently. Right.

So I want to hear that. But one of the things I'll... Based on what you read in First and Second Corinthians, how did that come together? You're looking at it now. Well... Where this went down. Now, wait a minute. Let me ask you this.

Is there a modern Corinth, like modern Athens and then the older part of it? Not really. I mean, there at Corinth, it was more about people visiting ancient Corinth. To see the ruins, okay. It wasn't. They don't have like a modern, like. You got to remember, I said there's, you have Athens, which is 50-something miles to the east of Corinth. Did you see the old bath houses or ruins?

Oh, I walked down. I mean, yeah, I'll walk through them. And it seems small. Now, where Paul was led out on the path, because a lot of it has been, you know, they've come in there and they've dug and the sediment has come up. But the original path just through the middle of the city there, I was walking the same path he did. And they kept that. And being where it is where the Mediterranean Sea, the Aegean Sea, what is it? Where is Carriff?

Yeah, it's right there. and there's it's called the isthmuth it's a little little bitty piece of land in between two bodies of water yeah the itthmus it's like four miles long which made it a port city because instead of them driving around because the weather's kind of like gulf of mexico and september and october it's stormy yeah and so 605 miles to drive it yeah but i think the actual corridor oh you mean yeah to athens we just

Well, and then you have Sparta, which is 80-something miles to the south, which those get way more press than Hollywood. I mean, how many movies have you seen about it? Sparta! A lot of these people who were introduced to Jesus during this period of time, would it be safe to say a lot of them are coming in off these ships. They've been at sea for quite a while, and it's kind of like here's a port city and all the...

But you know, Jay's mentioned how Vosel is there? The hoop lie that. You know what they were doing, Dad? They would come in there to where Corinth is. Yeah. And then they would pay to have their ships go carried across land to get to the next body of water because it was less dangerous than if they sailed around it. So it shows you how volatile that.

But it also tells you why when you, I'll tell you what going there did for me. When I stood, they have a little bitty bridge going across that isthmus. I mean, because the thing's four miles long, the little. canal, but it's like 70 feet wide. I mean, you remember some ship got hung up in it. Oh, yeah, that just happened. Yeah, and I can't remember. It's way down.

I mean, if you dropped a penny, it'd take an hour to fall. I mean, you're way up above it, and you're looking down at the boat traffic. But what it told me is that when he said this in Paul's letter in 1st, Corinthians 1, 2, when it said to the Church of God in Corinth, to those sanctals. sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy together. And here's the part that stood out with all those everywhere who call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Their Lord and ours. Because this place, there were people literally from across the entire half the globe pulling in there.

I mean, this was the spot. And I think even in the way he started off saying, because most churches, they tend to get inward focused about all the various problems or whatever. But I love how he reminds right out the gate. Yeah, you were called, you were sanctified in Christ Jesus. But remember the big picture here, together with all who call on the name of the Lord, our Lord Jesus Christ. So the gospel is spreading, beginning in, as Jesus said, beginning in Jerusalem. are you going to set the kingdom?

It's not for you to know the time and dates there. But this, you'll be my witness beginning here in Jerusalem to Judea, Samaria, and to the ends of the earth. Well, this was the part of that push that Christianity was going worldwide. Well, you know what's interesting about that. The world was a lot population-wide. The United Nations, I read a deal on them. They guessed it as being about 125 million people on the earth.

when Jesus was here, which is small. And I mean, the population was like flatline for several thousand years. Well, when you think about all the world dominators. The world was not any 7.2 billion at all. All the world dominators, when you look, if you just drew a line around those four empires,

they were all pretty close proximity. They were not very far. They weren't going very far away at that point in time. What's interesting about the city was that the city that Jay saw was the Greek city that was originally there, the Romans had burned it to the ground. And then a hundred years goes by,

of all people... In order to conquer it. Well, they burned it down to conquer it. That's right. But then... Conquered and destroyed. But they didn't do anything there for 100 years. So from 146 to 46 BC,

the Romans just let it sit there, just a burnt ruin. And then Caesar, Julius Caesar, is the one that built what Jace walked around on. 46 BC, so 46 years before Christ. And the reason he built it, so it was really a Roman city. I mean, it's in Greece, but the Romans built it. And then all the people he, with the population, were Roman citizens. I mean, they were a lot of veterans and freedmen and all this.

But that thing built up to 400,000. As Jay said, then you had all the influx of people from around the known world. But it started out uniquely Roman, which I thought was interesting. Hang on, Jason. Let's take a break. I was just saying you could see, I mean, you got port cities and then you got this. I mean, you're talking about a shortcut. I don't know how much time.

I'm sure you could read it up in a history book somewhere. But, I mean, you just go through this little canal. It's saving you back in that time weeks and months. And like I said, it was volatile there anywhere. Yeah. You know, they were a lot of shipwrecks. But when you think about Greece, you got Athens, which is where we, that was our home base there. I mean, you got six million people there now.

but it had the you know Athena which is I mean there's the money they put in there to try to restore that you know so that was more about the goddess of the mine and then you had Corinth which had the statue of Aphrodite and we went up there where this I didn't go all the way of the top because it was a little wet and they said people died just walking to the top you're saying straight up false God. were the known there. Yeah. Well, that's what they were known for, but it was the goddess of the body. So that's why when you, I just out of curiosity, looked up how many times body was mentioned in First Corinthians, it's over 60 times. And he had that, you know, when he gets First Corinthians 12,

and he has that illustration about the same principle I'm saying here in verse two about everybody is part of the one body, no matter where are you from, where you been. He even says that in 12, where it says, what does it say? We're all given the same spirit to drink. Whether you're, what's that, First Corinthians 12 in verse, whether you're Jew or Greek, slave, or free, that's 12, 13. And then he gives that illustration of the body. Because you got to remember, Corinth was built on, I mean, what Aphrodite, of course, had the thousand prostitutes that were somehow sacred.

And by the way, the same Romans just called it Venus, but it's the same idea. It's about the body and, of course, sexuality was kind of, that became their worship. Yeah. And so, but you think about the three cities, and I think the more I read about the history and I was over there, I mean, a lot of it had to do with, you know, Corinth getting such a bad rap. It's just vile. Of course, if you're celebrating the body and how to please it, well, there's a lot of mischief. if you're fixing to get into.

No wonder you got a thousand. And you got a lot of sailors coming and going. But the propaganda coming from Sparta, who's supposed to be the military capital of the world. I mean, they're using infanticide to grow up the greatest warriors ever. They're trying to sculpt the greatest modern warrior. And then you got over here,

Athena is where you're getting all your poets and philosophers. Yeah, because they're the minds. It's all about the mind. So you got all this working. Jason Moore, you talk, it sounds like now. Yeah, thing? Exactly. Nothing has changed.

But it's not shocking to see, I think, why you see the thing come up in 1st Corinthians 5 about, which it's very, I mean, we're going to get to it, I guess, but you're like, who does this? You know, they, when he said it's a report. reported that there's a sexual immorality among you and of a kind that does not even occur among the pagans. A man has his father's wife. And so you're like doing the math on that saying, do what? But when you hear all this in their history of Greece and even trying to come up with the best warrior or to have the perfect body, a lot of them are thinking, well, the best is right

here in our family. And that was what was driving them to try to, you know, to bring pleasure or to be the best or the strongest or. So I don't know, just going over there kind of helped me relate with some of this that you read. You remember in First Corinthians 9 when he said going into the strict training because I mean, that's where we get our modern day Olympics. Right. This was the birthplace of it. They call it the Ithmus games, which, you know. You know, so they were having all this competition, which he talks about it, right?

And there's, yeah, and there's another illustration in 1st, Corinthians, 9, 24 through 27 about the body and making it your slave so that after you've, you know, shared Jesus with others, you won't be disqualified. So that was one of the biggest underlying problems they had was this, what do you do with your body? I mean, that's why when he got to the sexual immorality passage in chapter 6, is that 1st, Corinthians 6 or 6th? You know, he said he made that statement, all other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sin sexually sins against his own body. You're like, I mean, why is he talking about that? Well, they were known for having a thousand sacred prostitutes. I mean, it was an issue. And I think you're right.

I think that's why the underlying theme. is so much about the intellect and the body and then the disconnect because that's what they were doing. The Greeks were saying, and then the Romans followed, well, in our minds, because that's really where everything's happening.

We're all intellectuals and it's all these ideas. But the body, really, there's nothing to it anyway. It's just part of the, you know, it's part of where we live. And so whatever you do with your body doesn't mind.

So basically celibacy was kind of out of a, and why would you? I mean, That was the point. They had had this disconnect there, and we see it happen later in John, some of his writings, whenever Christians were embracing this mindset that Jesus really didn't come in a body because bodies are bad. I mean, the Greeks have been saying on that for years.

So you get that idea. And so I think when we get to 1st Corinthians 15, Paul gives out the very best, you know, chapter in the whole Bible about an understanding the resurrection. its connection to the body. Oh, I agree. That's why I brought up the first Corinthians, 12. First, he made it as an illustration about, we're in this thing together.

Right. Because they're all competing against each other. He compares the body to a community, right. And then 15, he gets and says, you know, you, I mean, this is not a quote, but the underlying theme is, oh, you think you're proud of your body? Well, there's a way to get a new one that's imperishable, glorified,

Right. Sown in weakness raised in power. Yep. A spiritual body. Yep. And they're like, mind blown. You know, if you think about it, that's the only thing that worked then, and it's the only thing that works now.

That's true. Nothing has changed. That's true, because people are still trying to hang on to youth. His question was, he said, he said, so if it's preached as a resurrection, how come some of you say there's no resurrection? Then he goes through this long lives. There was no resurrection. You're still dead.

in we're to be pitted. Remember the line that Smith used to use, your body has changed, not exchange. Yeah. You know, because a lot of people think it's extra. That's pretty cool. Let's take another break. Yeah, I jotted this down.

This was a quote I saw from some historian over there, but it said the idea of the Corinthian was, in this time, the reckless development of the individual. The man of pleasure surrendering himself to every lust, the athlete steeled to every bodily, exercise and proud of his physical strength. The man who recognized no superior and no law, but its own desires. Well, that tells me that seems like when you read First Corinthians, that's the answer

to today's seemingly obsessive, obsessive behavior toward body beautiful and let her rip when it comes to sex. Yeah, it's the same, it's the same mindset. It's been around for a long time. So we talked about Acts 18 leading into this. Y'all mentioned last time about Sastanis, which I think it has to be the same guy that you read about in Acts 18. Because, you know, he came from, so the scenario,

think about when Paul goes into the city. Obviously, the city is mostly Greek and the city, or Gentile. and the city is pretty indifferent towards Christianity but Judaism is there because there's a synagogue so Paul does the same thing

I always does he starts there because he has the most in common with the Jews well he gets into it and a few of them are converted including I think Sosthenes it doesn't say that in Acts 18 but obviously he's around here and when you would think I mean the only way you make it work is if he had a transformation

because he was actually in opposition at first, but they were like, well, I read like what the scholars said. Well, I'm saying it's a different guy because it's a common name. Half of them said it was the same guy. The other half did. Who knows? But it seems kind of weird that I just think when the Bible, I mean, you have this Acts 18, he's in Corinth. Yeah.

He runs across. But think about that, Jay. So the Jews, what they did was they went to the Gentile authorities and said, you got to do something about this guy. He's in here teaching the wrong stuff. And so the guy who's the like the, you know, guy over all the, you know, political control, he's like, why do I care about your religious issues? And so he just kicks them out. Well, when he kicks them out, they beat the fire out of Sosthenes, which tells me he probably, that was a pathway to Christianity because things weren't going well with the Jews. I mean, they just beat the fire at them. So he probably

said, you know, maybe I need to listen again, Paul, what you had to say. But so that's the setup. up and now you've got Christianity that has both Gentile and Jewish converts in it, which I think is one of the reasons why they had so many problems, but it's also one of the most beautiful pictures you get in the first century of what the gospel was all about to bring people together, you know, which is well, right. I mean, they, great point. I've actually said, you know, it's pretty embarrassing to have to be reminded a church and it turned into a letter in the Bible. You had to be reminded of the, you had to be reminded of The gospel is pretty embarrassing. It's embarrassing.

But it's a lot better than the Galatians, who he basically said the guy who's talking to y'all, let him be eternally condemned because they were trying to add circumcision to the gospel. And they were basically making it more about being a Jew than they were where he started with the Corinthians. That's why I think it's important when he said, called to be holy together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. I just think that's a powerful moment for us all to remember. Because we get so attached to wherever we're from and what our traditions are and what we like and you look up and you've forgotten the whole reason we're here.

The gospel of Jesus is not in focus. And that's not our mission in our everyday life. And how many churches out there are having all these little fights and become an inward focus over a number of things. This one body spreads to the Chinese. It spreads to the Africans. And what happens when you get your focus off Jesus? Then immorality starts running rapid in the church, just like here.

Same thing. Which is why he deals with that issue first. Their disunity came because they were distracted. They got away from Jesus being Lord to making these men their Lord. So that became the distraction. I find it interesting, though, it's worth noting that, you know, you think about it, we know, because we've studied first and St. Corinthian Church, so we know about all their problems. Corinthians Church had a lot of issues.

But I thought they're no different than any other church. We all have issues. Yeah. But he addresses them, as Jay said, sanctified and holy. And I looked up the Greek word, hagios for sanctified. Here's what it means. Set apart, legitimate, acceptable, sacred, and purified. certified from sin. So that's the way he starts the discussion. So do you got problems? Yeah.

And he even has to remind him of the gospel. But he addresses them as legit. Yeah. It's bigger than Carruth. Yeah. It's bigger than Carr. That's right. And that's a great lesson for us, because we tend to look at people having mistakes and errors and say, well, I don't know about these people. For sure, I don't want to call them set apart and holy. We're back on the cancel culture. That's it. We want to cancel. And that's what... That's where you and I wrote that book right there. That's exactly right.

But he also said that he used the phrase twice there. He said, we're called to be holy. You know, God calls us through the gospel. But then it also says, and with those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that's why the personal relationship aspect of this, I think, is important. Because I feel like that's what's different about what we do. as followers of Jesus is we didn't just learn about Jesus. We had this moment of worship in our lives where we declared and called out

to the actual Lord Jesus in his name. I mean, we had a, when you think about all the different programs out there that tries to get people's life better, and I'm not knocking them. We need all the help we can get. But what's different, what we have in Jesus, is this we're not just saying we follow Jesus or we're not doing it so we'll get some reward we're calling out heart and soul as in you're real and I'm worshiping you well you just think if you put something in your life and said I worship this what does that mean well you think about it

you're meditating about it you're trying to find out what you can do to please him and worship your behavior is geared to it exactly well and also this another thing gets lost some time over time you know it's not as as important to people today as it was back and then in your declarations because if you were to say well who do you follow what gods do you follow well I follow this guy that got this guy that's how they made their declaration of who they gave their allegiance to it of course in the Greek world in the Roman world there's all sorts of stuff I follow Athena I follow Aphrodite but do they actually follow them or did they actually follow them or

they just go up where it's located and look at it. And how dedicated are there? It's like the social media illustration I had, you know, when you look and say, oh, someone's following me. Yeah. Not far. They don't even know where you're at right now. Let's take our last book.

That's why I think when you tie in what he said in verse 9, where he said he brings that up, God who has called you into fellowship with. his son. I mean, God calls us, when you, when that's a reality in your life that he actually calls you, he is having a conversation with you and you're responding by calling on the name of the Lord, Lord Jesus. He then, he, Paul dubbed it as he called you into fellowship with his son. He talked to it, the faithfulness of God and the fellowship with Jesus. Back up one verse, though, Jay. So I want to read Romans 10, but first I want to read that verse 8, he will keep you strong to the end so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord

Jesus Christ. This is what Paul told the Romans. Think about it in terms of proclaiming him and then at the end. The word is near you. It is in your mouth and it's in your heart. That is the message concerning faith that we proclaim. If you declare with your mouth, Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised from the dead, you will be saved.

In other words, that idea of calling on Him, for it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, as with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, and here's the tie-in, anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame. And I love that with the idea of tying it in here. He said, you will be blameless. So you think about this, the power of Jesus and the message of the cross is so powerful. Not only does it remove the impact of sin, but the shame. of sin. There is nothing in the world that can deal with shame. Nothing. I mean, but this can.

I mean, this is because most people are ashamed of things they've done. You can regret a lot of things, but when Jesus said, I take away the shame. And the context is when you're born again, he gives you a starting over point, starting over. That's right. And this one, blamely, you'll be blameless. That's exactly right. By making him lower, which also means it's totally exclusive because if Jesus is the only name, then no other name can provide salvation. So you can't go to any sort of false, you know, pass to get there to this point, which is powerful, right? Great point.

Yeah, exactly. But it's the same thing. I mean, I had a weird conversation one time on a golf course. This guy was like, he had a bad shot and he hollered out Jesus, but in a way that wasn't like calling on him for salvation. just like, it was just like, geez. And I said, you know, I worship him. And he kind of looked at me, and it was awkward. I made it awkward, but I just thought, you know, he's, he's calling,

here's a person almost doing this. He's called on the name of Jesus, but he doesn't believe he's real, which we got into that conversation. And he was like, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Well, he was apologizing because he thought he, offend me. I was like, no, you didn't offend me. I'm bringing it up because I wouldn't want you to offend him. I believe he's real. And if he's real. And the last person you want to offend is him. Well, so I launched into the resurrection. He's all knowing. I believe he's watching us right now.

I said, it's just something done. I mean, you brought it up because he was getting a little bit like, well, why are you bringing it out? I was like, no, you brought him up. But I worship him. And so it got awkward. Since we're talking about the name, let me just tell you. Because I just think, you know, you're this close to experiencing a purpose and where you came from and a way off the planet and the power that he provides yet so far. Yeah. I mean, I think that's what he's trying to say here because they definitely had so many problems. I mean, when you're hung up on who baptizes you, you're thinking, well, what did they tell you pre-baptism? Yeah.

If you're, if there's not a connection with Jesus, well, you're just taking a bath or just getting dunked under the water. But I think that it's pretty amazing that he starts, like he does most of his letters by saying, I always thank God for you. And which you think about all the headaches and heartaches that he has about the people at the church and car, you think our mindset sometimes will be like,

These people are the worst. You know, I got to go deal with this, this, and this. But he has an attitude of gratitude. I want to tell this story. The person that books Lisa and I are booking agent. She's from Nashville. And she was where she lives was where all those storms just came across. She was in a house.

And it looked like we were talking about manufactured housing. It was like a manufactured house. But they've been in for 25 years. But it was on a foundation. And she said when that thing comes through, is three o'clock in the morning. Of course, I'm terrified of tornadoes. I mean, that's the one thing I don't mess around with.

They get in their house. And she said they were both standing in the door frame and they were holding on the door frame because apparently that's, I guess, the strongest point in there. There's no basement. And she said the house lifted and moved, moved about 10 feet.

And they're praying and, you know, just, okay, Lord, if this is it, you know, we're ready to come to you, but if not, you know. And so that thing then just drops down. Of course, it just so it's moved 10 foot. Well, when they go, go to go out the front door and the back door. You can't open the door.

They're all jammed up from the, you know, coming off the foundation. So they look at one of the, and they're, you know, they've got to find a flashlight. There's no power they hear and smell gas. It's leaking. We've got to get out of here now. We're going to die. They get their dog. There's one broken window.

And they go out the broken window. The next morning, when the light comes up, they look. If they had gone out the front door or the back door, they said they'd have been hurt because there's off the foundation. There's stuff everywhere. where, I mean, they would have been hurt. The only safe path was the broken window. And what I love about this woman, glory is her name,

is that her whole thing was about this terrifying incident. She said, I thank God every day for that broken window. And I thought, that's really Christianity in a nutshell. If you live your life in such a way that you can endure the worst thing in your life, but a broken window you can look at as a way to salvation. You know, it was really a powerful, interesting thought. But I thought that's the way I want to live. and think that God provides always in any situation something in some way for us to get out.

Jesus on a cross, which he highlights, I mean, just, I don't know how he could have highlighted anymore in verse 18. I mean, he makes it like, that is the view. You want to see where you're at in life? How do you view the cross? Right. You know, we know that his broken body, which is what they were hung up with at Corinth. It's just what they stressed in their culture. It was all about the body.

God's broken body was on a cross. And he's portraying that. That's the cracked window. That goes against everything they think. They were trying to make it. The last thing they would ever do is break it. That's right. For something positive, they're trying to take care of it, which, I mean,

it would be hard for them to wrap their head around that. But I like it because he says, we always thank God because of his grace giving you in Christ Jesus. And then he's like, you have been enriched in every way with your speaking and your knowledge because our testimony that Christ was confirmed in you. Therefore, you don't like any spiritual gift because we know they had, you know, gifts given to them at the laying on of the apostles' hands. That's in 1st, Pentheus 9-1.

And then it says, as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed, He will keep you strong to the end so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. I think he started there because when you think about God's grace being given, it's a gift. It's not something you can earn. And they were so puffed up and prideful about the gifts that they received when they didn't earn it. It was, and that's why I always make a big deal about you got to focus on the gift giver. rather than the gifts. You focus on the miracle worker than the miracle.

When you try to pursue that, then all of a sudden you think it's based on your effort or accomplishment. Well, and it really, when I read that word in Richmond, it took me back to Matthew 19 to the rich young ruler. Remember it's like everybody looked at this guy and said, he's the ultimate guy. And Jesus said, no, you need to sell,

you need to give, and you need to follow me. And he walked away sadly. Why? because riches, he was already had, he was enriched with what he thought he had needed. I've said in a mini counseling situation, I'm not a counselor, but I have the Holy Spirit, so I gave it a while. But I've asked that question before I said, you know what, do you think of God worked a miracle in your life you would follow him? And of course, I've never heard anyone say no.

That's right. And I said, look, I said, I don't think you would. And they're looking at me like, Gassley. Oh, yeah, I would. I was like, well, he's giving you something greater right off. the bat, his son who can actually work miracles. He's your Lord. You're in fellowship with him.

That's actually way greater than one of the miracles he could do. Let me read this last bit from 2nd Corinthians and we'll wrap it up. Second Corinthians, 610, because in this conversation, this was a repeat in the next letter. Paul's describing himself. He says, I'm sorrowful yet always rejoicing. I'm poor yet making many rich. I have nothing and yet I possess everything. And I thought, man, there's your attitude right there,

which is what he told me. Powerful. All right. We'll come back. We'll pick it up next time. First Corinthians, keep reading. Keep studying. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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