Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 410 | Phil and Jase Share Some of Their Most Bizarre Baptism Stories

Episode Date: January 16, 2022

Phil and Al discuss growth and how we are not always held to the decisions made by our younger selves. Jase shares a story of hunting with inexperienced hunters. Al recalls his unusual baptism experience, with a face-first plunge. Jase explains why you should humble yourself, especially after you receive gifts from God. And Jase shares the time he baptized someone who was scared of being under water. Pre-order your signed copy of Uncanceled by Phil Robertson: https://talkshop.live/watch/QID3D1y77yHJ - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So last night, I'm sure you all didn't watch the whole game because it was late, but the national championship was last night. Of course, Dr. Dean, too, we're talking about it. He's a huge Georgia fan, so he was at my house, because my rule is no Alabama fans can come out. He was happy, happy. He went duck hunting with us this morning.

Oh, yeah. He was in a good mood. I was into it, though, Jay's funny by the end of the game, I was like, well, I was watching LSU Alabama because I'm jumping around. They had the fourth quarter that, like, you know, Alabama, Georgia's dominated them for three quarters, the last three or four games they played. Yeah. And then Alabama just shoots by them in the fourth quarter. Last night was the exact opposite.

Alabama was pretty much in control most of the game, you know, but it's close. And then the fourth quarter. It was crazy as I watched the second half. We had some people over at supper and hung out. It was nice. And then I watched the second half, and I couldn't even remember what happened. But it was on, and I was looking at it. Doing some heavy drinking there, just.

No, no drinking. I was just sleepy. I watched it. It was 9-6 at the high. I said, yep, the way this is going to work, in my opinion. I said, both teams right now are playing at a high, high level. Oh, yeah. And I said.

It's basically defensively. defensively. And I said, and they, they're both very good. I said, what's going to happen is the team that's in better conditioned, they're, they aim for the long haul. I said, when that fourth quarter hits, they're not going to be able to fly around like this. One or the other will begin to wane. Tiredness, just so much talked up and so many good plays, I said, they can't keep that pace up. I said, that's when you'll see who's the best right there. Was that true? Because Phil went to bed probably for them.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. I went in there and went to bed. I said, whoever is in condition, better condition, I said, they'll win. They finally broke. Because I've never seen as too good of defenses as they were good. They were really good. Well, they got the best players. Oh, yeah.

That's why I said college football is about. But everybody gets tired, and, you know, I said, whichever one it creeps on the most, they'll go down. Well, and Alabama would move the ball some, but when they got down inside the 20, that's right. I mean, that Georgia defense. That's why it was three, three, three. I said they will not win unless they start scoring touchdowns. And it was right there, it was like 19 to 18 or something like that.

That's about the last memory I had. Yeah. And then Georgia, but then Georgia had a pick six late, long run back. That sealed it. You know, they were up by eight points, but then that's. So that's what Alabama did to Georgia in the SEC championship. So that's kind of, it was kind of fateful. You know, and the quarterback for Alabama, obviously, he's great,

but he just didn't have a great throw at the end of the game. You know, he was trying to make it happen. I think I was way more pressure on him this time. I remember getting up and I knew it was over, but I just thought, hmm, I missed it. What you were saying is, I don't care. I don't care. That hit me at halftime.

I'm kind of a Louisiana. Yeah, if they're not in it. Well, I've got enough. And I know we have a lot of Alabama fans, but, you know, LSU and Alabama have some stuff going on. So I typically pull them against them. I did think it was funny at the end of the game when the coaches met, you know. Of course, they got all the cameras,

and there was a boom mic there, and they picked it up. And when Sabin leaned in to Kirby Smart, he said, y'all kicked our A's in the fourth quarter. That's what he said. That was his line. I mean, which I kind of like that about something. and he just owned it. He was just like,

y'all were better in the fourth quarter. That's how you win a football game. Yep. As it turned out, I did predict to Jeff. I said, whichever one has the staying power, physical strength to do it.

Because both teams are real good. Well, I watched them all year. I just looked at the pace they were playing defensively, and I said, they can't keep that up. I watched both teams all year,

and I thought that Georgia was better overall. But then Alabama just game-planned them and beat them in this. I was kind of surprised by that. But I think that defense took that to heart, and they played a lot better against Alabama last night. But I did think the quarterback, he's a gritty story. He's from Georgia.

He's a walk-o originally. And he winds up, you know, playing most of this year. And then they got a guy they got from USC on the bench, you know. So most Georgia fans weren't really confident because this kid, you know, is not quite an elite level or hadn't been. But last night, he pulled it off. You know what I mean? They won.

So what are you going to say? Everybody loves a radio. That's exactly right. And they played the story up big time last night for that. And I was glad for that kid. I thought they were both two of the best football teams I've ever seen. Yeah. I think it turned out.

They have the best player. They recruit the best player. Yeah, they just have the best players. Yeah. Which is why it always tends to boil down to, you know, two or three teams. Talent is pretty important. It's a biggie. Yeah.

And you know how you know how you know they're talented? Because when you watch games on Sunday and Monday, and you watch the lineups and they say, when they tell where they're from, you keep hearing. That's why I always thought that the game would be better. If you could only have players on your team from the state you ran. I'm for that rule. Yeah, one man says they get on him.

He said, you know, high zone, high school. You know, they got this one out of high school. Yeah. And the next one said, Alabama. you wonder how it all come together i said but that old guy you keep hearing it over you come out of high school and they sign you well when they do that they're mad at the college right they probably they have to go to college because you can't go to the i know one of the ls u.su guys he gave his name he said new Orleans Louisiana i heard one of the other night say the kingdom of god really really yeah that's my

new favorite player actually i can't remember his name but i actually Googled it because I thought, was there a school? Is there a school actually called the kingdom of God? I have to look this up. But I looked it up and it just, you know. He was just saying I'm a believer. I must say, I've never seen college football at a level like they have now. Somebody said that you can pay you now.

It's legal. Oh, yeah. They call it the NIL. NIL. Name, image, license. They're going to have to do something. So it's almost NFL like. Oh, we're there.

Yeah. Which is only going to elevate the top. Remember when they used to play? Y'all might have been too young, but they used to get the best college team. Yeah. And play some of the pros. That's right. It was the college all-stars.

How'd that work out? Well, most of the time the pros won't, but a few times. Yeah. For whatever reason, they said, you know, it's... Yeah, it used to be a yearly deal. Some of the college did win them. They did. They did.

That's right. It was the best of college against a pro team. When I saw the guy that said the kingdom of God, though his name, a few checkered incidents came up in his past, which doesn't mean anything. I mean, it means. It would be that way if I. Well, right. That's what I'm saying. But I thought, well, don't be mad at him about that.

I'm not mad. I was just saying, I thought, I think there's been a transformation here. I mean, I like that he did that, which I couldn't believe the TV producers let him say. that. I mean, you're supposed to say what college you're from and they know, some of them went to high school route. Now we have declarations. I heard a, I heard a middle school a few games back. Somebody's like something, something middle school, Tennessee. So he went all the way back to middle school. I hope that took hold and I'd love to see some colleges that are called the kingdom of God. That'd be good. Well, I mean, check out their credentials and say, you know,

one saying parts unknown not kidding parts unknown he said parts unknown I do think it's interesting and it made us a good lead in to what we're going to be talking about back in first Corinthians

is the concept of unity because the divisions are what he starts with now they've got some other problems that come in but they had a problem you know they got distracted they had their eyes on the wrong thing

and that created this division you know, which we talked about last time. And I think kind of the theme verse in First Corinthians 110 is when he says, I appeal to you brothers in the name of the Lord Jesus, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united. To this day, it seems like an impossible thought.

To this day, we still have, and it's not wise at all, to still have white churches and black churches and black. churches. We should have undone that way back as far as the kingdom of God goes. I mean, we, it's just, it's just atrocious. I don't like it at all. And I don't know, Dad, that's interesting because some people, it's maybe not, some churches choose to just be what they are, but I'm kind of with you. I would much rather be us all together. But back to the ideal. From one man, God made every nation of men and why in the world would have say, well, There shouldn't be white or black anything.

We should just be the human race. Which is kind of the whole point, which let's take a break. But even people today attack that concept. I can't even remember what their logic was on it. But I say again, which he started in 1st Corinthians 1 in verse 2, which I do think is important, that he made a point to say all of those here in this. church at corinth and everywhere who call them the name of our lord jesus christ i mean we're all under the umbrella of the lord jesus christ yeah i heard you said i heard you say that last time and i was that's

their lord and ours yeah that's why when you think about uh where is that ephesians when it says there's one lord one one faith one baptism is four one god father of all who is overall in all i mean how much clear. But I just think with our culture you look around and everybody's trying to figure out how we're going to be equal and I'm like, God's already figured that out.

You are together when you see the human race eating together and worshiping God together. That's when you're together. It's that simple.

Right. Yeah, exactly. Need more of it. What did they persecute? Jesus for. They didn't like who he was eating with. That's right. Well, and it's funny because in the first century here, it's not as much race, but it's much more religious differences is what the split is about because it was Jew and Gentile, which was interesting. So, but really, that is kind of race. I mean, it's just a race of people. Yeah. Where you're from. But what I'm saying is you'd have,

you know, the Ethiopian unit was black guy. He's from Ethiopia. Yeah. But he was a Jew. So, he would have not wanted to be with Gentiles. So it had nothing to do with him being black. That's what I'm saying? I mean, that changed over time that it became about the color of your skin. You don't read about that in here, but it's more about your background,

where you're from, what your religion is. So it's a lot of different things to divide people. What about like in John 4 to Phil's point? Because there is some biblical foundation for that. Because when the Samaritan woman was at the well, she said, you're a Jew and I'm a Samaritan woman. Yep.

How can you ask me for a drink? And then it has in parentheses for Jews do not associate with Samaritans. Not even with a passing of not one sentence. And it was because of the pollution of their bloodline. The reason, you know, Samarita, Samaria was in the north, where they were swept away, you know, 700 years before. And these conquerors came in from Assyria. It mixed up all the bloodlines.

So therefore, the Jews looked at them as unclean, unpure. They were half-July. Did they look the same? Yeah. I mean, they were often- That's just ridiculous. Yeah. But then Jesus went on to say,

there'll come a time, because she started talking about the place of worship, which I'm sure they had their place and other nationalities. Jurism or something. Yeah, they had their place. But he said there's a time coming when the true worshipers or worship. in spirit and in truth. Yeah.

Which is what these, that's my point. Those qualities make us come together. Like when he put everything under one head, the Lord Jesus Christ, that's the common ground we have. And when you think about the healing he provides from a spiritual perspective and the safety, getting back to that, what it means to be saved and experience salvation, all humans have those same problems. No matter where you're from, what's he looked like.

That's right. You're all in need of healing in a spiritual way, redemption, and you're all in need of safety. Because we can't figure out, despite science and our medical technologies, which are awesome, they cannot extend life beyond the great. Right. And to your point, Jays, so if you go back and study Israel's history in the Old Testament, Solomon's sons, Rehaboam and Jeroboam, that's when the kingdom split. and so that's when they went different ways.

The one in Judea, where Jerusalem is, they had the temple. Well, the guy, Jeroboam, he introduced a temple up in Samaria, so now we've got two temples. Well, already we've got a major problem, right? But if it's all about the temple, that's the issue. So all these kings come along through the years, and they keep bringing in false gods, and they start bowing down to the Asherulah poles and this and that, the other. And so that's what polluted them to the people in the south. to your point jays

Jesus says you'll worship neither on this mountain nor in other words temples aren't going to matter when I leave here places are not going to You'll be the temple You'll be the temple which is going to be the point of our whole first three chapters And what you look like doesn't matter Right that's why he said spirit and truth I mean you can carry that down into humanity

Doesn't matter The more what they do for a living Or what they look like or where they're from or where they're at or what. None of that matters. Right. And I think, as you said that when I read that verse, it seems impossible. And with human beings, it would be. But in Jesus is where you find perfection. Well, right. But I was, well, you know where I was going with that. Because a lot of religions, they read this verse, First Corinthians 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 10.

And they say, look, we have to come up and agree on every issue from the front of this Bible to the end. That's what it says. And every single person. Brothers in the name of the Lord, you all agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. Because if you're not looking at this under the umbrella of Jesus, which he mentions him as Lord six times here in the first chapter. I mean, that was the umbrella. Because look, I'd have trouble doing this with myself. Got me too.

You know, not even mentioning my wife. If I could just over the course of my life of teaching and preaching, I mean, my early life, I wouldn't agree with a lot of what I said as a young man. You know, in the river, you know, in the river, just riding, riding a boat. But in my mind, I'm saying, I don't agree with that. That's why I do. That's why you're wrong. You can't cancel them.

That's right. Can't cancel each other. Don't do it. A good point is, Dad, that, and you talk about the sum of the books. Because when you were 20, you said one thing, Al, and you know, you thought it was the right thing and you stood on it. At 45, you're like, uh, no. Yeah. I'm somebody, well, if somebody jumped in that about the time when you were 20,

they said, look what you said when you were 20. And we're going to hold you to that the rest of your days on the earth. You said, man, you've got to give it to some time here for these scriptures to come alive and open up a little bit. Well, isn't there something called growth? I mean, uh, yeah. Well, I'll give you an illustration. Because in a way, a dunk line, let's just say a duck line. Let's just say a duck was the, because that's a place where duck hunters gather. Yep. All right.

Well, a church building is a place where Christians gather. Mm-hmm. But now, sitting in either one doesn't necessarily mean that you're a Christian or a duck hunter. Because we've had guests there. We were talking this morning about we auctioned off a duck hunt. We used to do that all the time, but I quit doing it after this. Because we auctioned off a duck hunt to a guy who, spent a lot of money, gave it to a great cause.

But when he got out there, he had two sons. And I said, have you ever shot a shotgun? And they went, nope. Uh-oh. And I said, you get one shell. And I will be behind you and your dad. Make it count. But then the dad said, no, I think it'll be all right.

But give them three. And I looked at him like, no. And so I said, no, they get one. because the goal of this hunt is to leave here alive. So what I've said is, I mean, I think he should have gone along with that. And it was very frustrating. But they weren't duck hunters. And so, but my point is to continue this illustration.

So in the duck blind, someone, the hard part is someone has to make the call. Yep. And I'm going to compare this to Christianity because he started off saying, God calls us, and then we call on the name of the Lord. I mean, we're calling ducks, so we have some similarities here, and someone is making the call on when we shoot. Because that's when the experience happens. If nobody makes the call, we would basically just sit there and do nothing.

You're a bird watching. We'd be a bird watching. Somebody says, get them, cut them. Well, here's my point. divisions and arguments occur because unlike God, God's call is, his timing is always right. But in a duck blind situation, whoever that guy is calling, mistakes are going to happen. We've said many times bad call. Arguments ensue.

But here's what I've noticed, the number one thing is, the number one thought is, if it would have been me, I would have done this. I know better than you because now we have a jockey in for position, which leads me back to the Christian side of it is. And you're dealing with ducks in milliseconds. Oh, it happens fast. Here they are. They're coming in at 45 miles an hour, 50 coming towards you. You're way too late.

They go past you. Yeah. You go too early. Depending on the wind. They turn their wings to the wind. They're gone. The man making that call. Everybody's right there.

They're ready to go. How many knockdown drags? I got arguments have we had over stuff like that. So many of you can't count. You can't count. And divisions happen, coups start. Hang on. Let's take a break.

But I've never said, well, because of the way this hunt went, I follow Jace. And so that says I follow Phil. I mean, we've, I bet you, but other hunters have gotten that far where they literally separate from each other. And we've had to take a break from each other. Oh, yeah. There's a reason about every four or five days. I say, y'all go over here because I'm going over there.

Because I'm like, I've got to have a break from this, you know? And so, and then people say, well, I'm going with you. I'm going with you. And my only point is what causes divisions, you know, at a local church in a setting like this where he's addressing, obviously, God is different because he always makes the right call. I mean, if you trust in him, he's going to lead us. He's got everything right. Because your point is you can't be perfect, whether it's duck hunting.

Humans can't be perfect. And so look, when you start following somebody else like some of them were doing because they were baptizing. So obviously a couple things have happened. You've gotten off what God called you and how he called you, you know, through the gospel of Jesus, which First Christ Christ's 15, he's going to remind. Let me remind you of the gospel. I mean, this is about Jesus as your Lord and you experiencing that, not just a mental, because a lot of people that you saw, how does this happen? And they even had some here who were. saying, yeah, that's bodily resurrection.

Now, so the apostle Paul dealt with that in 1st, Corinthians 15. Well, if it's a priest that Christ was raised from the dead, how can someone you say, there's no resurrection of the dead? And, you know, there's another interesting point here to add that I hadn't thought about to this discussion is that I thought it was strange. He said, Cephas, meaning Peter. I thought, well, Peter, as far as we know, he never even went to Corinth. How could he have people following him?

But then it didn't hit me. It was because he was the first guy. He was the Jewish guy. He was the one that stood up for the first. So there were people, I guess, at that synagogue, they were like, we only follow Peter because he was the main guy, not you, Paul. Well, what they were saying is he's one of us. Exactly.

Which probably led to the dispute that Paul and Peter had later. They didn't even factor in his conversion. Right. From the Jewish guys who said, who? I mean, that's right. Exactly. You know, and Jesus said, I'm going to die, be barren raising the day. He said, no, no.

So some of these divisions go in for a lot of different reasons is the point yeah that's what i mean because he starts off like you're missing not only was it they were following the people who were baptizing them they were missing the whole point of why they were being baptized i think the emphasis in first and second corinians is human beings being what they are to be brought under one head and it says it over and over and over and all the colossians and all of them agree with one another when your grievances and you disagree, learn to love one another and just let it.

If they're going to be all right, but operate as one. But in the chapter, that's why he said it's not from human wisdom, but it's the power of the cross of Christ. And then he just goes on to what we kind of touched on briefly, but he had the two groups of people that was in contrast here.

In 22, it says, Jews to man, miraculous signs, and Greeks look for wisdom. But we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling brought to Jews, and foolishness to Gentiles. But to those whom God is called, both Jews and Greeks,

Christ's the power of God and the wisdom of God, which is back to what I said about, that calling and how he's calling humanity through Jesus. There's your power, and there's your wisdom, on how to operate. He never makes a mistake on the call. Exactly.

That's why he said the foolishness of God, which I don't think there is any. I mean, that was kind of his point, is wiser than man's wisdom and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. I mean, he was basically just saying. He was using hyperbole. Yeah, there's a chasm here that's never going to be filled in.

If God had foolishness, it would still be better than the best thing. could come up with. If he had weakness, it would still be stronger than anything you could do. It's this point. So the way I look at, Joseph, is the, you know, Paul's style of writing. Remember we studied the book of Romans. You know, Paul likes to make his case early in a letter. This is the big issue. So that's what he's doing here. The first three chapters, I call it the case for unity because what he's saying is, I got some tough things we've got to deal with in the rest of this letter. But if we're not unified and you're not willing to listen to, what Jesus has to say, then we're not going to get anywhere.

That's right. And so I think that's why he's making his case. And, Jace, to your point, you mentioned about the two things. I broke it down the first, from 18 to the end of chapter one, he talks about the first kind of energy source of what Jesus is doing is in the message of the cross. You know, that was his first thing. He's like, you've got to get this down because that's salvation. And the way he were, I received.

for what I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Christ and him crucify. Right. He said, I didn't go out here in the left field, this and that, no, doctrinal positions, no, just Christ, him crucified. And he makes the point that mankind has no answer for this. There's nothing you can come up with in intellectual world that can rival what Jesus is on the cross. is his point. I mean, that's the starting of it.

If you're not saved from your sin, then it doesn't matter how small you are. It doesn't matter about anything else because you're dead in your sense. That's why I keep going back to that. He keeps mentioning that over and over that Jesus is Lord. Because you think, well, how does that happen? There has to be a decision here.

You calling on the name of the Lord Jesus to be your Lord. And I think, you know, the simplicity of that, would like to revisit. I mean, a lot of times altar calls get so long, not that I'm,

you know, picking on it. But it's like, all your, your wanting is that, you remember when Saul, he was just like, Lord,

I mean, who are you, Lord? I mean, it, when you realize what God is calling you to do and why,

through Jesus and that power, there's a response that you're surrendering and you're crying out, Lord save me I'm I'm humbling myself

I'm and so that's why when the baptism thing came up which there's a lot of arguing about what that is and some people don't think it's important or necessary because they say well that's you doing something

instead of God which I completely disagree with that because I think it is you surrendering to God's power and call. That's why Roman 6 has that reenactment of what's transpiring. But it's the opposite of you trying to do something to heal your sins or to extend your life through eternity. You're surrendering to that and humbling yourself.

And therefore, you're not so pompous and prideful at the church over, because we'll get to it later, but God gives you gifts that you didn't earn. You just gave them to you. And all of a sudden, which I'm not knocking them because it would be difficult for any human to have some power that God gave you and you not feel like, oh, well, I must be special. I'm better than you, which is where we started with this whole conversation. Because later on, because of the gifts that were given, some of the members rose up and thought they were better than the people they were sitting beside because why would God give me this gift.

Exactly. And that's why he starts out with the idea about being distracted. Let's take another break. Jay, to prove your point, look at chapter 2, verse 1. When I came to you, Paul talking about himself, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. What testimonies are you talking about? He's talking about on the road to Damascus. what you just described. But just interesting that Paul said that by himself, he says in other letters, when he gives his pedigree, I'd say, you know, there's a lot,

there's some pretty good eloquence there. There's some pretty good brain power when you read the, so he's humbly saying it doesn't matter whether you have those things. That's not how I came to you. I came to you in humility as a guy who fell down on the road blind and said, Lord, who are you? And so I-

I wish we did that more and like, okay, you, like you preach, this would be a good idea for you. I'll see. They can't fire you because you're doing it for a thing. So you've shared Jesus powerfully, you know, the scheme of redemption through Jesus, the cross, you remind them of the gospel. And then you just say, come call on the name of the Lord. You do it. Instead of like, you know, saying the prayer for them or it. Go ahead.

And just, I mean, to me, I just wish, you know, look at your life and you come down there and hit a knee and call on the name of the Lord. Did you watch my sermon Sunday last Sunday? You need to go back. It happened. I did it last week. In fact, I read Romans 10 because the idea was, is I said, look, there's a lot of people here. There's a lot of people watching. Isn't that weird that we have the same thought?

Same thought. And I said the exact same thing. I said, today is the day you need to make the call. I mean, if you hadn't done it, there's, according to what I read, read and Romans and what I read here, you can't get rid of your shame, you can't get rid of any of stuff. So this is exactly what I said, Dave. And they didn't fire me. Yeah. Well, I was more just thinking if you let them do it like at the altar, you know, just. Yeah, and I don't know. I mean, right, whatever way people. Because most of the time, you know, the pastures kind of, they're the buffer,

which I realize why you do that. Well, I had a great conversation with our guy we talked about yesterday. I like that guy yesterday because we walked down. It's mid-July. I mean, mid-July. This is mid-January. January. So even in mid-January, the Washington River gets pretty cold. But I walked this dude down to the river.

And I noticed. He was baptizing the river? Yeah. Wow. And I tried to take him. And he came out of the water. I mean, he was. He let out of yell.

He let out of, yeah, and I'm like, and I wondered if it's because that water was really cold. Yeah, he's either has the spirit or he's really cold. And I never, I never, I said, no, this guy is all in. He was excited. There's no doubt. I loved it. It was great.

But to your point, Jay's, I agree, because here's, this guy told us a story about when he was in California, he wanted to be baptized there. He's, you know, but he just happened to be coming cross-country. And that's how I met him. But he said, you know, so he goes to church and they're like, okay, that's great. And so we got a class starting and it's going to be six months long. And then we'll assess at the end of the six months and see where you are from the class. And he said, he told me yesterday, he's like, you know, I just didn't sit well with me.

And I said, well, I understand why because that's not, I don't see anything about the, not that I'm against, you know, get to know me classes. But, I mean, the man made a proclamation. He called the name of the Lord. Yeah. And he was like, part of that from listening to us, it was, I'm ready to take the plunge and make this thing official. I mean, what about Acts 2? That's what I'm saying.

Peter got up. It wasn't a very long sermon. No. He introduced Jesus. Short sermon. Yeah. I mean, I bet if you read Acts chapter 2, what is it, 14 through 38 was the sermon. Yeah.

I wouldn't take you to read that three minutes. It's not long. Two or three minutes. Three minutes sermon and three thousand said, What do we do? Let's call on the name of the Lord and we're going to do it right now. And during that, he warned them and he pleaded with them. Yeah.

So part of the sermon was warning them of the coming wrath. So I think people started coming. You know how the preacher, you know, they'll start coming and then he sees it. and he'll get back up there, which always makes me nervous because I thought, you already preached this once, you know, where are we going? But then he's like, give a few warnings and a few pleads. But I think, to your point, I think, and look, I was a part of the structure for a long time. And now that I'm not, one of the things I've noticed looking back is that we're too worried

about the numbers of people that make the proclamation, the how do we get them in the right, you know, group settings or Sunday school programs? rooms and we make it so structured that we bring this temple mentality back. Yeah, I agree. And instead of just saying, look, let's just do what he said. I didn't even, Paul said, I'm glad I don't even baptize people. Other people were doing that because I don't want you saying you're a follower of me. I'm just here to proclaim what Jesus did.

You have to have faith. And faith comes from hearing the message. The message is not long and drawn out like Jason is talking about. Right. It's a short message. But Phil, there's been several times. Now, not lately. even in the wintertime, we've had some decoy baptism.

You know guys baptizing the deco while we're hunting. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And he's like, I'm not getting back in the boat. I'm here. I mean, which is awesome. I mean, I thought, I mean, we got heaters. But, I mean, it's going to be rough.

They're like, you can tell, though, when someone's convicted, they don't care about that. Well, that's what I told Taylor yesterday. I was like, now we can go, I said, we got a nice warm baptism of the church. I called ahead. They turned a heater on them, the changing. room and you don't have to be uncomfortable he said oh i need to be uncomfortable you know i i haven't lived for christ but now i am i'll go right there and i was like okay yeah well i told you i said he was worried about me i said i'll have waiters on i'm good you know i told you all before

hang on let's take a break i told you this story before i think that you know i baptized a girl who had a phobia of being underwater and did i tell you all that before her i'm not sure She was convicted, and we shared Jesus, and she's like, I want to be baptized, but I have a problem. And I said, there's nothing you can have that's going to be a problem with that. Because I thought she don't have a change of clothes. She's like, I'm terrified of being underwater. And I thought, yeah, that could be a problem. But then she said, but this is the.

only thing that I've, because she had been through counseling, she had tried, she said, this is the only thing that I'm going to do it. I'm doing this. So that I can get over my fear being out of water. She said, yeah, she said, if you'll make a deal with me and I said, let me hear the deal first. She said, no matter what happens, you push me under there. I said, I'll do that. What she was saying was is there will be pushback. And I will admit, she fought it all the way and it became a literal struggle but i'll tell you this when she came up she was not panicky she was like she was calm thank you she she didn't say thank you jay she said thank you lord i mean it was really a powerful moment i've never heard that story people are quirky

yeah well i look back because we had a small group of people and they were just like eyes wide open because i mean it looked like i was assaulting her I was like, no, we're going there. I've seen them go down in the water. And for whatever reason, fear, they begin to struggle and kick and whatever. And I've seen them go down in perfect health, physical health, come out with a knot on the side of their head. I've seen a couple.

Just glance off the side of the. They're like a fish. You're trying to hold on to the fish, but it gets away from it. And also, I saw the little guy. He weighed in at about 120, and there was a guy he had his hand, and this guy was about 450. And some of who I was with me there, I said, Well, that's a John the Baptist moment when he said,

I shouldn't be baptizing you. I'd have said, you're erect. Let's find the bigger man. I think got somebody out of the bullpen around the man. The man went down in the baptismal poo with the little guy, but then there was, you didn't see him again, and they was knocking and bumping. And then the little guy went down.

Floundering. The little guy goes down and then they both come up. That's how. I've been a part of those. I was on your boat dock one day, baptized somebody. Which, by the way, that thing is treacherous. It's so slick with the mud.

And I was baptizing a guy who just got panicky. And, you know, he just grabbed the whole time. And I thought, well, I'm going to be baptized. Because there was no leverage. And I just went up on the field. It was a little... You know, it's amazing out of all that. You never hear of the word.

The word baptism is not from Genesis to through Malachi. It's never mentioned. And only when you get to the Gospels do you actually hear the word the first time. It's attributed to John the Baptist. But it's pretty amazing that not a word is said. But a lot is said from Matthew through the rest of the Bible. Although it's interesting, and we'll get there in 1st Corinthians 10, where Paul uses the illustration, talking about baptism, looking back,

he said, you know, whenever that cloud was over the top of you, and water was on both sides when you cross the Red Sea, he said, in a sense, that's what was happening for Israel, which was salvation, which I thought was interesting that he used that old scene as an illustration. James, we had a, there was a little John McCord when he was there. He was a youth guy. There was this young black kid that was getting baptized, and he was mortified of the water.

But his grandma, this is one of those where I was watching. I thought, hmm, I'm not sure who's really making the call here if it's the kid or the grandma. She was back there in the back and said, and this is what we're going to do. But this kid was mortified out of the water. And so for some reason, they get in the water. I had, you know, McCord, I don't know how many people had baptized for. he's young. I'm just standing there holding the towel watching it all unfold.

Well, he tried to bring this kid forward. I've never seen a forward. I mean, he would work either way, I guess. Instead of just, you know, he wasn't that big. So it had been better if he just took him down. But he was afraid of the water. He didn't want to go down.

So every time he'd get him, his face would hit the water. The kid would start yelping. He was like, but it was the water was gurg. And then he'd come back up. And then so, you know, then he'd grab it. him and he goes,

then he comes back up. So there's about three times. And by now, I can hear people laughing in the audience and the grandma's up there saying, you better get in that water boy. She's on his gaze. And I said,

John, you may want to take him down the other way. And then I felt bad about those things. I thought, I'm not even sure. You're looking at this guy's going to be on a counseling chair. Oh,

I thought this is the most traumatic answer. This guy's going to probably hate the church. Well, I went to go get baptized. And I just, it's been a blur. since it was just so after it was over the kid went out the grandma she's on his case and so i found him later i said look let's let's just talk about this for a minute because i feel bad about this the way this much

the last thing you should fear is what jesus said go make this ibiz and baptize them the last thing you should fear is is your body being pushed down in the water and being brought up i mean maybe it's maybe that's what this is about you shouldn't have fear well I think that's why. If you understood what's going down here. I think that's why. You're dying to sin. God chose this symbol anyway, because that's what it is.

I mean, it's, why would he choose this? But because it's the ultimate submission. I mean, you're standing there and somebody else grabs you and you have no control. Well, water's dangerous. And water is dangerous. People are afraid of it for good reason. You drown. Maybe that's, I've always thought it was very simple.

is so submissive. You have to trust. Right. Because you are allowing someone. I mean, like, if someone tried to dump me under the water when I was under the age of 15, that was a fight. You're in a pool, that's a fight. I'm like, get your hands off on me.

That is right. And I don't want to do this right now. I think you're right. There's something about the submission. I think the simplicity of the submissive act was the whole thing. And then Jesus knocks it out of the park when he shows up and says, you baptize me. And John looks at him and is like,

should be baptized in me. Why should I baptize you? But his idea was because I'm submitting myself to humanity. He wasn't baptized to remove sin. No. But it's just as shallow for these guys to be following different baptizers. That's why his point was, Christ didn't send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel. Because when he gets first Corinthians 15, he gets into the gospel in detail.

I mean, he starts talking about the power of the cross. right here. When you start connecting what's going on to the supernatural God that you can participate in the blood of Jesus that ran down a cross and come back spiritually from the dead because he was raised from the dead, I mean, that's why I said that has to be an experience that your heart is pricked and you cry out and is like, yes. Yeah, that's right. I'm doing this. I'm in. That's right. So let me read these last couple of verses as we close and this will set us up for the next podcast. Remember he said I came to proclaim. I didn't come with eloquent superior wisdom. For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

That's the power of that message. I came to you in weakness and fear and with much trembling, which I find fascinating. Paul's one of the most, I mean, courageous people that's ever walked to planet earth. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive. words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power. So next time we'll talk about the second half of this. The first half is salvation. But then he's going to come back and talk about transformation because that's what the Holy Spirit does.

And so it's kind of a one-two punch that he's telling him. This is a good to unity. And he keeps saying, don't trust in men. I mean, there's a contrast here. That's right. That's why he said in the last verse of chapter one, Christ, who has become for us wisdom from God, that is our righteousness, our holiness, our redemption. That's right.

I mean, you quit focusing on him. It's not going to work for you. No. No matter what you're involved in. It will always fail. If your eyes are fixed on, this is Hebrews 12. If your eyes are fixed on anything but Jesus, it's going to fail. But in your personal life?

your home life or in your church life. A lot of people who were baptized, but they had no change of heart. That's right, because they were focusing on the wrong reason. Yep. So Lisa said when she was baptized, she said, I got baptized to get into the Robertson family in her mind. It took her 15 years to realize that I need to be,

I need to submit to Christ, not just trying to get into a family. But you can see how that happens to people. Oh, yeah. All the wrong reason. If you go back to Acts and read Acts 18 and 19, you know, they ran up on somebody. who had been baptized under John's baptism.

You remember Apollos? And they were like, well, did you receive the Holy Spirit? It's like, we hadn't even heard there is a Holy Spirit. What baptism did you receive? I mean, they were like trying to figure all this out. And then they were baptized in the name of Jesus. Which to the point of this is why just understanding the message, but then you've got to also understand what happens then and how then the interaction goes,

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