Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 411 | Why Phil and Jase Can't Stop Laughing & The Animating Force of Life

Episode Date: January 17, 2022

Phil tells an unexpected story that leaves the room in uncontrollable laughter. Al and Jase explore the Louisiana tradition of king cakes. Phil leads a discussion on secret wisdom hidden within scripture, and Jase touches on the pursuit of worldly knowledge. Al navigates the idea that all creatures have an animating force in their bodies, which is known as a spirit, as opposed to "the Spirit." Join Phil for a LIVE Q&A on Tues 1/18 at 8pm ET & get your SIGNED copy of Uncanceled: https://talkshop.live/watch/fK2YE3ZwZcKC - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Dad, I noticed when we came in today, you were eating. I wasn't sure because I knew Mom made meatloaf yesterday for Jep, she told me, which I have to admit, I don't know why I should be this way because mom cooks all the time for food. But when somebody said, well, Ms. Kay had to make a meatloaf for Jep because he just got in. I was like, well, so Jep rose into town. All of a sudden, we got to have a, you know, the menu for him. him, but he's... He had meatloat.

Did you really? Meatloaf, mashed potato. And let me taste something. That's been saying, Mrs. Meatloaf is just his mom's meatloaf. I mean, it is delicious. I mean, it is really, really good. Now, I will say, it's a colon cleanser, you know,

because it's hard to get off of. Jep, Jeff left the blind this morning saying, is there any no... He did. That's right. He said, is there any little little bit of dirt instead of water?

and Stone said, go north up here. And he said, you'll see one little mound of dirt. The deer been laying up on it. So Jeff told me when they come back, he said, that final 10 yards, he said, I don't know. He said, man, I barely made it. You know, it's embarrassing. We shot down a duck. You're looking at a dry spot in a thicket.

Plus, you got all those clothes and waiters. It's so hard. Wow. We shot down. or clothes have to come off. It shot down a duck. We didn't have a dog. So I go out front.

Well, I miss the conversation. Yeah. That gel, too much meat love. Too much meat love. Because I had just had the same problem, my guest, who left today. Over did the meat love. Well, he woke up and he said, man, I don't know what's wrong with me this morning. And I said, I do, but he kept talking.

He said, I kept waking up in the middle of the night. But I saw, you know, he's a big bowed up guy. I saw the amount of beetloat that he ate, and it was three times what I ate, and I ate until I was full. I said, when I saw your plate, in my mind, it immediately, I hit the fast forward. You got trouble coming back. I said, you just, your body can't handle that. It's too much. And he said, do you think that's what it is?

I said, no, I don't think it. I know it. I've been where you're at. But when I came back to the blind, well, I heard, I was like, Feele didn't hear me because it's a big blind. And I thought it was a deer behind the blind. I said, there's a deer behind the blind. And so I'm looking for the deer.

And I was like, that deer looks like Jep. Because I said, why would Jep? I said, Jep, we haven't shot a duck back there. And he said, no, I had some problems, man. But he didn't relate it to the meatloaf. No, he just had some problems, man. Well, I assume because I saw the direction he was coming from and I knew that was high ground. You just think about it.

Well, what I thought, I'm going to avoid that place for the next 10 days. I mean, you need the way the human function is. You need to be on dry ground because water, your tail hits the water. It's not going to work. Yeah, it's kind of a natural bidet, but not really. So when you're looking for high ground after eating a big bunch of meatloaf, I knew what he said. I told him what's it.

I only did the death line. These things happen. So anyway. It's a lot of proper. Why is that so funny? So my point was when I came in here, you had a bowl. And I was thinking meatlo, because I had been hearing all these meatloat stories. But I looked at it and I was like, man, his mom started adding fruit or meatloat.

So, but you were eating a fruit cake. No, that was a fruit cake. It was a meatloaf followed by a fruit cake. Oh, man. Now, how is that worth it working for you? No problem. Okay. Oh, okay.

But I could hold up one hand. I'm 75 years old. One hand to say this is how many times I've had what we call the old school bowel trouble. One hand. Wow. Oh, man. What a life. There's not enough hands for me to show to have.

One hand. I took after my heart. Yeah, I'm going to have to say. I mean, my lower bowel track, I haven't ever had no problems. That's good to know. But just like him, Jeff's kind of husky. And he said, I ate way too much. Well.

So tell me about the fruit cake that I tried to transition to it. You make small slices, but it's delicious. I mean, a lot of people, they don't like fruit cake because people who make fruit cakes don't know what they're doing. So the biggest complaint from people that I hear about fruit cakes, is they're dry. But Amy, our cousin made it, right?

So Amy learned it from her mom, Judy, your sister, who's passed away a few years ago, and then Judy learned it from Granny,

your mom. But I always liked their fruit cake. My always put just a little bit of like a peach brandy. Right.

She would just dribble a little bit every couple of days. She would wrap it in a cheese call. Because you don't eat a lot of fruit cake, but like a big chunk of,

you know. It's very, Yeah, it's filling. Small, small, you know, like this and not very big around. I mean, I like it because it's just pure fruit. Why can't you eat a bunch of it? I'm just saying it's rich. It's so rich.

And all it is is fruit and nuts. It's dried fruit and nuts. She has a batter that holds it together. Most fruit cakes, you can't eat the things. I've never tried a piece of fruit cake. Really? It's delicious. It is good.

I mean, and I know my family has made it, But I just thought, I like cake. I like fruit. Ms. Kay, your mama, she doesn't fix fruit cakes. Most people don't anymore. No. But used to, they made them every time Christmas came around. Right.

But, but Amy, she makes a good one. So I found a, I found a bakery over in Texas called a Collins Street bakery. Okay. Maybe Corsicana is the original one. And I got some there and it was delicious. It was one time I've ever found it bought that I thought it was pretty good. Because a lot of it is dry. I mean, that's people.

I like eating fruit and then eating like a king cake. Yep. Or a coconut. You're a king cake guy. Oh. Well, your daughter, she's a king cake girl. Oh, yeah. Do you like the one with the cream cheese in it and all that?

Oh, yeah. Because right now it's king cake season because I'm already growing. Well, I know, but you have to stand in line for three hours. I mean, look, I pull a stunt the other day. I need to bring you some down where in Gulf Shores, they make them. I only want them if they're fresh. Oh, yeah, they're fresh. But, I mean, if it's.

It beats what I meant, what Anna. Yeah, I hear the bakery she's been getting in front of this delicious. You will never grab another kingcake out of a store after you eat this. It deemed them unworthy. For those you and other parts of the country, you may not even heard of kingfish. I guess it's the Louisiana thing. Do they have the little baby Jesus? They have a gold coin, which I like better.

It's a replica, of course. And look, do you know the last two kingcakes I have bit into the coin? on the first bite. Really? What is the statistical probability? What are you supposed to buy the next one? Is that the, there's some kind of tradition?

Well, that's where I was headed with this. Now, she sent me, look, it went on, doesn't I share this? I was in the duck blind at like 6.30 in the morning, and I get a text, which is unusual. Usually it's an emergency situation, because everybody I know who had texted me at 6.30 in the morning, I'm standing beside.

Right. So, and it was, I was like, Jay, why is your wife texting me at 630? because it just pops up who it was fun. He said, I don't know. I'm surprised she's up. And she typed, we had not had a discussion about a kingcake, but she said three-hour line for a king-cake.

I've been here 30 minutes. What do you think? I didn't know what to say. I thought, are you getting me a king-cake? Did I say? But she just knows I love it. Right. And she does too, so she's going to get one for her.

I said, whatever you think. And so she said, I'm bailing. So that I was like, ugh. So I saw her later and she said, well, I just figured how many could they have made the night before? I guess it was the first day they were releasing. And I said, well, I'll tell you this. If that was a three-hour line, they're going to make some more because somebody's making some money around there. Yep.

And it tells me that somebody else is getting the king cake business. Yeah. But they are out the highest quality. I've heard that. You'd have to know when a lot of other people found out what Jay's found out. They're the best. That's right. They don't line up for crap.

I've never had one from this. Oh, well, it's a game changing. So here's what happened. Now, I told you about my buddy. Of course, she was there. It's about three days later. She shows up with a king king. And, of course, I've already known that she got up at daylight to try.

And I got the gold coin on the last one. And so this one, because as soon as she put it, down there, I just, like, started that process right there. So let me try this, bop a bit into the coin. I was like, I think that's a sign. So I said, so I went in there and got her a hondo. And I said, I'll buy the next couple and gave it to her, which then she was happy. Oh, yeah.

But then, so we ate the meatloaf. Well, then we chased the meatloaf with that entire king cake. Oh, boy. No, ate it all. ate at all. ate it all. Every eight one in one Saturday. How big is this cake?

It's pretty big. I'd say it was probably, you know. Was the two and a half foot long? It was longer than a low from bed. But you're wondering why human beings make a race to get out of the water to get on the knoll and boy, the riches come down. No, I'm not wondering at all, but it was so good. The king cakes are great.

So traditionally, and I was, first time I ever had one, I was living down south in New Orleans. And so they put Mardi Gras colors on it, usually like the food glitter. And then some of them, they have plain, some of them have cream cheese. The cream cheese ones are the best. But then they put a little plastic baby Jesus in there. Yeah. Yeah.

Because it's like a Mardi Gras on. A lot of people don't even know that represents baby Jesus. I know, I know. And that's why I said some people do the gold coin, you know. But because I don't know. It's a little action figure. but if you happen to try to digest that, you're in trouble. That coin you can probably deal with.

That little plastic. Oh, my goodness. I thought that's almost dangerous. How can they do that? I don't know. I don't know. But I remember it was always that they had them at work where I worked at. And if you got the baby, then you had to buy the next king cake.

Yeah, that tradition continues. But down there, down south, every bakery makes kingcakes, and they're all really good. you don't have the problem we got up here where you just got one place that knows what they're doing yeah they know what they're doing yeah it's oh it's phenomenal yeah it's a great tradition but but i wonder if they had them in other parts of the i doubt i don't know because i never knew about it until i went to south louis i mean is the the king it are they saying representing king jesus i guess so yeah well i'll just do it that's what i'll declare that yeah yeah that's good so it's in marty grail's in like it's usually in february oh i guess that's what i'm

Yeah. All right. I got it. But somehow it's timed out for, because as soon as Mardi Gras is over, they have what they call Ash Wednesday. But they also do it for Easter. Well, it's 40 days. And then that's when they have. No, I'm talking about the King Gate Company.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right. And then they have Lent, which is you give up something until Easter. That's kind of the tradition of the Catholic Church. I guess they're the only ones that do it. That's why they don't make them in between. Right.

That's when you're doing that. So it's kind of how it has. tied into Easter and all that. So interesting. I'm sure I'll get a lot of things that explain it better than what I did because I'm just going off of it being our cultural thing. But it's gotten bigger up here. You know what's interesting about Mardi Gras?

I didn't realize this until I moved down to the other L.A., lower Alabama, that Mardi Gras is as big in Mobile, Alabama as it is in New Orleans. Didn't know that. Big parades, the floats, and all the stuff to go on. with it, the throwing the bees. I mean, it's huge there. And they told me it was because the first people that came across there, most of them came into Mobile Bay when they got to Mobile, and then they traveled by rivers to get to New Orleans, by waterways, and that's how they wound up there. So it wasn't like they just came all the way around the coast. So Mobile was kind of a gateway to

New Orleans. So a lot of that same culture is in both places, which I had no idea until I moved down there. So now you know. Do they have King Kate? they do have king cakes there's a lot of them down that's what i'm telling you and i hadn't tried once i don't know if they're as good as they have crawfish they do have crawfish yeah a lot of similar cultural things from mobile to to south louisand let's take a break all right so y'all want to get back into first corinthians yeah you lead are you ready all right yeah because i preach last sunday and then i'm preaching this sunday and so the way i structured my sermon which actually for the first time at a long time, because I'm pretty good at sticking to my script.

But for the first time, I kind of got swept up into my preaching. I looked down, I looked at the countdown over there because we tried to kind of keep it tight. It was all zero. And I was like, I'm not getting through this. I mean, it's so good, though. This early part we've been telling me is so rich. It was hard for me to get off of that and move forward. But the way I kind of broke it down, last time we talked about the message of the cross.

And I kind of see this as a two-pronged. case that Paul's making in chapter one and chapter two. And the first one he talks about the message of the cross, which I kind of boil down to one word salvation. Now he's going to talk about transformation because he says in verse four that we left off with last time, my message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with demonstration of the spirit's power so that your faith may not rest on men's wisdom but on God's power. And that's what he keeps taking them back to. The problem is if you try to come up with a human way to salvation or to transformation, it's usually not going to, or not usually, it's not going to

work. Yeah. Well, how did you define salvation? Well, I, because at the cross is what takes away sin. So I think. So then the transformation. So now this week, I got through almost that much. And then this week, I shift into the second part.

I compared it to a, to two power cells, you know, like. or a plane has two engines. You can fly without one of the engines, but you really don't want to because it's not a very good flight. So that's the way it is with the idea about the cross and the spirit. It takes both of those to then be transformed because of what originally happened. Of course, I told a Trent, Joe, you want me to tell the joke? Yeah, that's it.

I'll tell you. Oh, you've already told this. I told this. You probably should have asked this before. Well, it's an old joke. But anyway, so I said, so I was talking about the engines. on our airplane. I said, you know, it's kind of like the old boy that they were on the plane, that they were on a big one, they were on a big one, had four engines. The pilot comes, one of them

goes out and the pilot comes on and says, we've lost one of our engines, but we're okay, we've got three engines, but it is going to delay us about 20 minutes, you know, to get to where we're going. And then a few minutes later, he comes back on and says, sorry, folks, so we've lost another engine. We still have two. We're okay. We're safe, but this is going to delay us another, you know, 20, 30 minutes. Then he comes back and says, that third engine has gone down. It's going to be about an hour and a half. We still got one.

We're good. No boy leans over to the guy and says, if that fourth engine goes out, we're going to be up here all day. I get it now. So that was my joke. And then so everybody laughed, but it was kind of a corny joke. And I said, you know what? I need to send that joke to Trent. That seems like a Trent joke.

That is a Trent joke. It just popped into my head. I hadn't planned on saying it, which is why I didn't get through with my text. It was moments like that. But the idea is, is. that we need, Paul's thing is, it's going to take not only understanding what got you in, but then where we get now our wisdom, where's that going to come from? It can't be human wisdom, which is this point, which takes us to verse six.

I mean, how many times does he say wisdom? I mean, I'm just looking through here. He said it 17, it's not with words of human wisdom. I'm talking about preaching the gospel. Right. then he uh i just saw a couple of other places there's two in verse six yeah he got he says where's the wise man uh for 25 the foolishness of god is wiser than man's wisdom i mean he he just keeps saying it not many of you are wise then he said christ in verse 30 has become for us wisdom from god

look at, yeah, 2.6, oh, 2.6, yeah, he says it twice. We do, however, speak of a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age. It's pretty incredible. It's a lot. And I don't know, Jay's, don't you think it probably goes back, as we described last week, Athens is nearby. So obviously there's an influence there. Because remember the speech he gave in Athens and was at Act 17. And so, I mean, obviously he's dealing with.

some of that, the idea that people still think they can theorize and philosophize and, you know, come up with ways to describe this whole situation. I told you all before when we went to Athens and Corinth. I mean, you basically reenact Act 17 and 18 when we went there. And we just got on that hill where in Athens where Paul preached that sermon and we're sitting there. And it wasn't. we just plop down there because right beside it is the Athena yeah yeah and that's where the bulk of the people are right

because that's ooh that's the powerful place oh yeah oh I'm looking here kind of getting teared up just being because that's one of my favorite sermons in the entire bibles that act 17 and so missy's like I think I should just read that and I was like do it sister so she gets up and she got she didn't get two sentences out of She starts getting choked up. Well, we're all just sitting there, and there's other people sitting around, but they're not paying attention. But this rushing guy, we didn't know his resting at the time,

he just plops down there and starts listening. And then he just, after Missy was finished, he's like, well, I don't believe in God. And so I was fixing to say something because Missy's like, after this was all over, she's like, I noticed you didn't say anything. But Missy just went into it with him, and in a spirit of love, but she was all riled up already because she's putting herself in that situation. But it was kind of what we're talking about here. Well, the irony of that was that Paul was in the speech was talking to people who didn't

believe in God. I mean. That's what I mean. It just happened. I mean, you can go over to Athens and go on Mars Hill, and you read that. and I'm telling you, people are going to have the same response. Isn't that something? That was 2,000 years ago, and the rock is still there.

Oh, yeah. And people are still doing it, and they're still having the same discussion. Yeah, definitely. But another thing that comes out of this wisdom thing, when you get to two, he said, we speak of God's, it's an interesting statement, secret wisdom. And this wisdom, we're talking Jesus and him crucified and raised them, it has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began so all this was worked

out way in advance and I don't know when the book of Ephesus to the Ephesians the book of Ephesians I don't know when how much later the apostle Paul then the time frame we're looking at in first Corinthians they're pretty close together pretty close together but so when he gets a whole of that same hidden hidden wisdom secret wisdom and if you look at chapter three in ephesians surely you've heard about the administration of god's grace that was given to me for you that is the mystery made known to me by revelation as i've already written briefly there you'll be able to understand my insight into the mystery, that's twice, of Christ, which was not made known to men and other generations that has now been revealed by the Spirit of God's Holy Apostle and prophets. This mystery,

three times, is that through the gospel, the Gentile, you know, when Jesus got there, he said, I'm going to die, be buried, and raised from the dead. We looked at that in the book of Matthew. The kicker is, this was unknown. I mean, this was not known by anyone. In fact, to the Corinthians, he said, if they had known, none of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, you say he's making a case that the simplicity, although profound, that Jesus coming down in flesh, dying on the cross being buried and raised from the dead, let's see. It's hidden. It's a secret.

and its wisdom at its highest level. And also it has been mysterious from the time it even dreamed up. So chapter three, that's three times mystery. I become a server. Let's see, created all things. Here it is again. Make plain to everyone an administration of this mystery, which for ages past.

This is Ephesians, chapter three, which was kept hidden in God. There's a secrecy of it all who created all things. And he said his intent was, and these people at Carreth were having a hard time rallying together as one. And like Jay said, this is worldwide movement.

This is not some kind of willy-litty deal. You just kind of mess around with it. Because at Carth, they were really stretching it. So he says his intent was that these ages past was kept hidden by God, who created all things. His intent was it through the church. That's why one church, one king, one cosmos, one earth,

through the church, the manifold wisdom of God, that wisdom comes up, the secrets of it all, should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms. There he's talking about the evil world. one, which is why... And all of his minions, you said, this is the way to crush him, but he didn't even see it coming. Which is why he linked those together.

Let's take a break now. That's amazing. That's exactly right. And that's why he called it secret wisdom, because the idea was if the forces of evil in the heavenly realms had connected with their minions on earth, they never want Jesus to die for the sins of man. They wouldn't have crucified. They wouldn't crucivated.

And that was the whole deal. The mystery was that he came to die. What they didn't know is they were playing. a role in it thinking they were getting rid of it. Yeah. This is what's going to happen, but don't tell anybody. That was Jesus. That's right.

I mean, you're thinking, what? Right. You know, why come you're not jumping up and down about it? He said, this thing's got to play out as it is written. Right. And he had to, and what the prophet said, and you just think about it, it is quite the story coming together. We've made the point before when you, in the creation, and back in Genesis 1, when you see the spirit hovering over the water, You know he's been here and was going to be a part of everything that happens.

So then Peter said all men who spoke prophecy and wrote scripture throughout all those thousands of years of history were carried along by the Holy Spirit. So therefore, through the whole thing, there was a plan that was being developed. That's right. And it played itself out over thousands of years. Think about it. You're going to provide salvation for the world. That's everybody on planet Earth.

you would have had to have quite the series of events take place. And it's about, you know, five, five, six thousand years of it. Right. And you said, finally he shows up. And he's looking at what these people are not seeing. Right. They're not seeing the mystery part, the secret part, and the power part. Which is why, remember we studied Matthew, every time Jesus would do something, they would say, why did you do that?

He said, so the scripture would be fulfilled. over and over and over because he knew every prophecy that was made about it and he fulfilled every single one every one of them and he did it in three years yeah i mean i guess you could say 33 and he saves the world in a period of three days yeah i mean that's pretty amazing i think the world our world is in search of wisdom in the wrong ways because they try to come up with clever sayings oh they claim they know everything bumper stickers and you know it's not they're basically they said, we are guys. It's like, it's not the answers, just the questions you ask, wisdom.

You know, stuff like that. But it is a complex subject. And when you read James III, he kind of gives you this contrast of wisdom in your life. And you all remember that in 13 through 18. You know, he says, who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life. By deeds done, the humility that comes from wisdom. And first he has the wisdom of the world.

It's filled with selfish ambition, bitterness, and there you find disorder in every evil practice. But the wisdom comes from heaven is pure, peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy, good fruit, impartial, sincere, peacemakers who's so in peace. Fruit of the spirit. Well, right. But in 1st Corinthians, too, he kind of talks about that in the same vein. verse 12, it says, we have not received the spirit, small s, of the world, selfish ambition, bitterness, envy. But we have received the spirit of God who is, but we, but the spirit who is from God that we may understand what God has freely given us. And I was going to say,

it's coming from this relationship that we had. The last podcast before, when I read the last verses of 1st, Corinthians, 2nd Corinthians, remember it showed he wanted to remind you, look, this is you in a relationship with the Godhead. So if I read that in 2nd, Corinthians 13, again, where it said, may the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Spirit be with you all. Well, I see this same principle when it comes to understanding what God has given us. If you'll notice in the last sentence of each paragraph in chapter 2, watch what he does. In 2, 5, now he said in verse 4, my preaching was not with wise and persuasive words.

It wasn't about these like the world, like coming up with little sayings that you're like, ooh, you're wise. But it was a demonstration of the Spirit's power so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power. So here's God the Father, his power being supplied. Then you look at verse 10, and that's in response to verse 9 saying, No eye has seen, no ear is heard. No ear's heard. No mind has conceived what God is prepared for those who love him. So we have a hard time understanding it.

But he verse 10, he says, but God has revealed it to us by his spirit. So now we have the spirit. We have God's supply and the power. We have the revealing through the spirit. And then we get us to the last verse in response to another quote from Isaiah, for who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him? So it's not what or how, because then he answers the question again by this last little sentence. But we have the mind of Christ.

I mean, and there you see the Godhead functioning in wisdom. It's not what you know, it's too. These qualities that are going to come out in your life, it's because you're having fellowship. That's why he started off in verse 9, saying he's called you into fellowship with his son, Jesus. You're walking with an actual being. Yes, it's through faith.

And he's not whispering in your ear, per se, or you're not looking around, he said, hey, don't do that. But we have the red letters. We have the verses that represents God's qualities. We have trouble more understanding how the spirit works, but we know we have it, and we know he communicates. And through those three things, you're figuring out how to do it and why and what. So I think he's making a point here to push it back to there's a real living being.

This is not just some organization where some of you have these special gift and it's all just for you. Because then that would be the wisdom of the world. You're having selfish ambition. You're having divisions. You're suing each other. There's rampant immorality going on. Well, that's not representing God as your power of God. Which is why.

Let's take a break. Which is why when you get to the end of Galatians where you read the fruit of the spirit, he made that stark comparison. You got flesh and you got spirit. And look, Jason, you're right. People have a hard time. But you actually touched on the secret to understanding it in that verse 11, where he talked about the spirit of the world versus the Holy Spirit, little, ass, big ass.

So if you think about it, it's really not as complicated as people make it out to be. Because the capital S spirit, we already said he is a part of the entity that is known as God. and it is a force that can't be seen, but results can be seen. I mean, that's about the only way I don't describe it. But that's just like your spirit. Every person has a spirit. And he even says the world itself has a spirit about it. I mean, there's all these things they come up with.

So your spirit is a force that animates your body. We can't see it, but we can see the results of it. If a person dies and they do an autopsy, and they start cutting into you, you and they're taking parts of you out. Where's the little, where's the spirit in there? Is there like a box? Is there some housing in there somewhere? I mean, the person's dead.

The body is there. All the parts are there. The brain is there, not firing anymore. Yep. Where's the spirit? So just the same mysterious way, your spirit animates your body. However that works. And have you ever heard anybody that can explain that?

No. I've heard no scientific human wisdom that says, oh yeah, here it is. There's a little part here in the Abdullah Mangata. No, they can't explain it, but they know everybody has an animating force. And when you die, it's not there anymore. So the Holy Spirit, the entity of God works with your spirit, the same where your spirit works in your body. I mean, that's the best way I know how to describe it. Yeah, that's a good, good description. And you brought it up. He mentions it because you see both. When you see one working where the fruit of it is bad, that's not from God.

But you have to purposely pursue this relationship. It's like if you had marriage difficulties, you could spend the rest of your life going to seminars and reading books and trying to get wisdom based on what other people said about your marriage. But if you did all that and you neglected spending time and communicating with your wife, well, it's not going to work. Because you're not, it's relational. I think it's good to go to a marriage seminar. But I'm just saying if you left and spent the rest of your life

pursuing the idea of it and trying to obtain the knowledge of it. And so my point is it's not necessarily what you know. Because how many times have you had a conversation with people come up and said, I want to get into the deeper things of the Bible. A lot of people. Because they say, I want to have this wisdom. wisdom. And many, many people do that. And they get frustrated with me because I say, well, you need to get to know God, the Father, better, Jesus, Lord, and Savior, and the power of the Holy Spirit in you. That's right. Those are the three things you need to pursue in a relationship environment, meditation, communication, you know, study, but looking at it from they wrote me a letter, you know, being around other people who seem to be walking.

this journey. And because I think that's the basis. It's not what you know. It's who. And through that relationship, God working through you and you believe in he's real in an everyday environment and using his power to give you all these opportunities to make him known and to encourage and all these things.

That's where you start finding the deeper truths because you're experiencing and you're becoming him on earth because he's in you. Right. Now, I think it's a great way to put it. And it's interesting, Jay's because if you think about it, from a human perspective, we usually will say, well, if a person has lived a long time, they're naturally wise. Yeah. You know, we'll say the wisdom of age, right? And in some senses, that's true.

Because you've got a young person that'll make some mistakes without thinking about it. An older person has probably made them before. But humanity doesn't necessarily make you wise. I know a lot of older people that are not wise at all. Exactly. They make terrible decisions. And so it's not just something naturally that you can say. That's why he makes this distinction.

Humanity, you can, you know, humanity has a lot of good things about it because we're made the image of God. But when you remove the spirit of God out of the equation, then you've got a lot of, well, right. You've got a lot of ideas, but at the end of the day. How would you ever have the mind of Christ if you didn't go back and read what he did in Matthew, Mark, Mark, Luke, and John, and then try to line. your life up with how he lived.

That's what. I mean, look, I'm telling you, I read Matthew, Martin, Luke, and John, so when I'm having a conversation over a water cooler, I think about when he was at the well. Yep. How can we get this conversation turned around into something spiritual? That's right. Well, the more you do that on a consistent basis, on a daily basis, you start looking at things as the mind of Christ, which is he always got in a situation to try to make the father look really good

because that's who he was representing. He kept going back to the father. He treated everyone as important, always, no matter what they had done, where they had been. He always did that. And he was really, spent a lot of time in prayer. You know, he'd go up to the mountain to pray. he didn't lash out at those who oppose him, but he would draw the line on what other religious people were doing

that was not in line with the father. I mean, you just see it over and over and over and over, and then by the time you get to the end to hit, you know, him being silent before his accusers and going to the cross and the resurrection, if you're going to have that mind, mind of Christ, you've got to spend a lot of time looking at that and thinking about it and then looking at your life saying,

I need to do this on a daily basis going around. And I think, as you have to, you've said this many times before, when you're dealing with people that only know worldly wisdom, you can't have an expectation that they're going to understand what spiritual truths are. They don't have the spirit of God. So we always get so appalled when we. Well, he says that. Yeah.

Where does he say that word? Well, it's right there. It's in verse 14. The man without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned. That's what's missing. Well, look, I'll read you another one.

And when he wrote his letter to Romans 8 in verse 6, it says, The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the spirit is life and peace. The sinful mind is hostile, hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law. Now, here's the scary part. nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.

It's not going to happen. And you have a mighty throng that's there. And so a lot of people say, way more there than they're not. That is great. Let's take our last break. Well, they're hopeless. What are you saying? I didn't say anything.

I just read it. But that's why he became flesh and lived a perfect life and did all that in his life and then gave his life. So you would say, oh, he did that so I could start over. So I could humble my, I mean, that's how this thing works. But you do have to reach a state of brokenness, humility, and hopelessness before you can even see. That's why I made that illustration and the introduction about this, because you have people looking at the sun saying it's not bright. You have people looking at Jesus on a cross and say, well, I think that's foolish.

I mean, we're just appalled if someone says that because we're like, do you have a better idea? Do you have any evidence that that's better? No, they don't. But still, it's foolishness because they're not in that broken, hopeless. They're still puffed up, which, look, it happens in the church too because it happened in this church. Where they think, I know better than God. I know better. This is my life and I know better.

But a spiritual response is to realize that they just need the spirit of God. When dad was in an event one time, and he's speaking, and there's a huge crowd there, and these two men jump up on the stage and start cursing you loudly and grab the microphone, and you just kind of took a step back. But it takes a second when something like this happens, people freeze. And so for a minute, nobody did anything. They're yelling, cussing, yelling at you. yelling about the event

and then all of a sudden people come up and drag and so they're dragging them out the whole way back of the crowd they're screaming and horror the whole time and dad just stands there and so then like they take them out well it's just like you could hear a pen drop yeah that next phrase

has got to be pretty good exactly and dad said he grabs the mic and he says the poor souls I'm just trying to tell them about Jesus yeah let's pray for them and then you prayed for it I just thought that's the reaction really to the world.

I mean, like, all that vitriol and this guy is terrible. But instead of... I think a good line would be the next time that happens, if it happens. We hope there's... Well, I've had a few, you know, stand up, and I'll say something along those lines. But I think a good thing to say, which I'm going to say is they need the spirit of God. That would be a good line. That's right.

They need the Holy Spirit. Exactly. Because I think the crowd would be like... Well, look, when dad said that, it was a thunderous applause. It was. When you said it, and then you prayed for him. But that's the response we want. But you know what's interesting, this works both ways.

We have an expectation that people that don't have the Spirit of God are not going to have spiritual fruit. I mean, that's what Paul says clearly. But people in the world, many times will have an expectation that you're going to do what you're going to be convicted by the Spirit. So the story I hear, and this is from a person that is very close to. Bill and Hillary Clinton was in the room with Hillary Clinton when the first time it popped on about the controversy with you in Duck Dynasty. So it just comes up on the news and this person that I know was in the room with her. And so when they're like this, Phil Robertson said this and blah, blah, and you know,

and she looks at the guy and she uses a few experts, but she looks at the guy and she said, what would anybody expect? I mean, he's been saying, that's who he, he said that for years. Like her thing was, what's the big deal? Because you quoted a Bible verse. Right. And her deal was, why would anybody be shy? Why should he be kicked off the Dynasty for this?

Everybody knows that's who this guy is. Well, Phil, I didn't know you had a... So, I mean, in a sense, Hillary Clinton defended you, but again, because... I didn't know that. Yeah, because that's how you lived your life. So she had an expectation that, well, sure he's going to say something that's... Now, she didn't necessarily agree with it, but I'm saying she understood that was your conviction. Yeah, which is, I think, there's a good thing.

I mean, it's a good thing to be known for being a convicted man of God. Yeah, that's true. Well, I think one thing you could do in your sermon or could have done, because it's a scary thought, because a lot of people, they're like, I need to do better. You know, if I only knew the right formula, I could make better wise decisions. But there is something sobering about hearing, look, if you don't have to be, of the spirit of God, you can't please God, even if you try it. Something drastic has to change.

And so, I mean, I think about sitting in an audience. Because you remember that with your kids when you're raising them. At some point, I had that conversation when they're just, they're all going through their teenage years and struggling. And you're like, look, without the spirit of God, this is impossible, you know? Yep. I just think it's something that should be seen. Because if I was sitting in the audience and I thought, oh, I know what my problem is. I don't have the Spirit of God. I need to know. How do I do that?

Well, then we get to Jesus. He's getting there. Yeah. And you get there. You're getting there. Because then you go through Jesus, which is God calling us in who Jesus is and what he did. And then you're like, oh, so by surrendering, I can now give up what my selfish ambition, the wisdom of the world.

Thousands upon thousands every year. You could probably say every week, every month, they take their own life because of a misunderstanding of what we are talking about today. That's a great point. Because the hopelessness that Jay Stod's about it. Just think about it. Where would you go? She would get to such a hopeless place.

If you didn't go to Jesus, where would you go? Yeah. Well, there's a reason that the baptism. is a, what did you call it? Earlier, you said it's a symbol, but it's a symbol of a spiritual suicide. You are denying yourself and taking up your cross and following him. And so in a sad way, it's eerily similar because you have to come to the conclusion that, man, I'm kind of hopeless here. Yeah. But instead of taking that wordage in the Bible, if you look at it, you say, what God is saying to us, how would you just like to start over

and be born again? You made such a mess of where you are, and now you're 20 years old, you don't know, so you're going to take your own life. Why don't you just stop and listen, turn to God. You can be born again. Start over. And again, if you didn't. It's appealing.

If you didn't have the spirit of God, you know what you'd say? You'd say, how can a man be born a second time? That's right. But you know a lot of people have asked me, they say, well, how do I know I have the spirit? I said, I always say the same thing. And I'll read this first again, there's 210. Yeah. I say, because God said he gave it to you.

That's right. Yeah, but how do I know it? And it's impossible for God to lie. That's right. I said, well, that's why we share Jesus with you. I'm like, yeah, and you responded. Yeah. So he said, I'm giving you, I'm revealing to you wisdom from heaven by giving you my

spirit. It's in there, whether you acknowledge it or not. I started acknowledging. Well, let's look at, let's see if you have it. We get over it to the fruit of the spirit. That's right. Galatians 522. And they're like, well, that's my point. It's like, well, maybe you just need to acknowledge. That's why I keep going back to the relationship aspect of it. If you're looking at church, like something you go to once a week and you're taking a class, putting your time in, and then you go out there and live out, you know, however the heck you want to live, that's not the mind of Christ. He was never once a week going to something saying, all right now, let's have some church here. And I expect to see you back here next Sunday.

And while I'm here, I'm going to be very spiritual. It's just so. I mean, when you read these letters in detail, though, this kind of stuff comes out. Because you look at their problems, and you're like, man, this is embarrassing. I mean, even churches, they'll do a class on 1st Corinthians just to make themselves feel better about what's going on there. Is that? I tell you what. We hadn't sued anybody in there at least four years.

Well, they missed the point. You're right. And it becomes strategy. So to reset to get us ready for next time. So he lays out this problem. What I feel like is the biggest problem because until we get this solved, we can't move on to the other problems. So he's making this case about these divisions, being distracted, having your trust in

men instead of in God. And then he brings out these two ways that you have to look at. Once you get the power of the cross, and you understand that, it's a, it's a saves you, then you receive the Holy Spirit and you're transformed. You understand this wisdom. So when he gets to chapter three, which we're talking about next time, I think it's just him illustrating everything he just said because he's going to go back and repeat the thing again. And he's going to give an illustration, this is my sermon this week, Jay's, how to build a temple. I like this. I like where you're going. I already know where you're, because I was going to say how to burn one down.

Well, in the case, Get rid of one. In the case of this, the temple's already gone, you know, in the mind of people. But yeah. Well, you see where I was going. Yeah, I see where we're going. So next week, I will have preached by sermon. We'll see how well I did.

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