Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 418 | Phil's Problem with Seatbelts & Jase Picks Up an Unlikely Passenger

Episode Date: January 30, 2022

Phil makes a connection between seatbelt laws and government overreach, and Jase picks up an unusual passenger. Phil and Jase chat about the things men see on the internet and how they skew man's view of woman. And Al discusses the presence of God, experienced during the miracle of childbirth.  Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I was on the way home yesterday. I stopped buying. I got some dog food. Put in my truck. Didn't think anything about it. Then got on the phone. And I'm like, man, how rude is this person? Because they're seatbelt. No, they get these seatbelts now where if you don't have them on, it's peem, peep, beem, beam, ping, ping, bang, I was like... Dad loves that. You know, I hate to just tell another person, look, I'm driving, I have my seatbelt on, and I'm talking to you, and you don't have your seatbelt on.

I was like, I don't have to bring this up. No, number one, the sound was annoying. Two, I just thought, put your seatbelt on. What are you doing? And so it just kept on, and finally, I just thought, okay, it's going to be uncomfortable, but I got to have this talk. I was like, look, put your seatbelt on. So you're talking to somebody on the phone? Yeah, they're in their vehicle.

I got you. I'm in my vehicle. Yeah, but their thing keeps dingin. Their seatbelt keeps dinging, which is whatever we're talking about, it was about. And if you notice, now, I don't know if this is the same one, but I've noticed the, in the newer the model, it gets angrier and faster. Yeah. It starts out like, hey, you forgot my seatbelt. Then it's like, you forgot the seat?

I mean, like, if you could imagine this. If it had a voice. If it had a voice, it's like, good. getting like really angry. It's like, you're a nerve. My buddy in Kansas, his is angry the whole time.

And I'm like, what is, you need to go get your vehicle looked into. And he's like, no, that puts it to sit, but I was like, quiet.

That's a good idea. You have no option. I mean, either go crazy or put your seatbelt. So I finally said it was a, you know, person on this, the show we're filming.

I was like, hey, look, put your seat back. belt on. It's making me uncomfortable. I don't want you to have a wreck. I went the safety route instead of saying, hey, that's really annoying. And she said, I'm not in a car. And then I just thought, I said, are you near one? She said, no. Where's the racket emanating from? Well, now I'm like, I said, let me pull over, because I looked down and I'll have my seatbelt on. Here's what happened.

I pulled out. We get tickled about it. When I put the dog food in the passenger seat, because of the weight, they thought it was a person. They, as in the computer chip. So you're annoying. Say I was coming from your own. It was coming from my own vehicle. And so I said, hang on.

I've got to put this dog food seatbelt on. I thought if somebody. Saw me right now. I have this bag of dog food. It's the safest bag of dog food in the world. I'm protecting this. If we have a wreck, I'm going to be safe. And so is my dog food for my dog.

But I remember that when the seatbelt laws first came out. Remember when in Louisiana, this is a long time ago. But you were like, you were like no go. Like this is, fringe of my right it was like a second amendment this show do you remember that you you are not happy about the seat I really wasn't happy either and this is back back in

those days there was no racket so you had no recourse if you didn't put it on other than getting a ticket but it was years before you started putting the seat because I knew it was the beginning of the mountain of rules once you get people

acclimated to do this do that I just knew there were more and more rules coming. But having now was I correct? Yeah, but it was a good rule because they were previewing the current crisis we talked about on last podcast of the cell phone while driving issue. So now that that's come about, I'm like, oh, the seatbelt law is a must. We have to have the seatbelt issue because people are not paying attention while they're driving.

Although there's, now there's laws against that, right? I mean, if you're, if you're... Yes, but they're not enforced them. If they would, because look, I could write at least a dozen tickets a day from here to my house. There's now laws that you must have your face covered. That's right. I'm kind of masked. It's not real laws, but mandates, you're right.

I mean, not real laws. Well, because it's not a law. You can't get on this plan unless you pull your... But it's not a law unless Congress... or a state legislature makes a lot. You're not going to jail without the mask. Right. Depravity.

They say law, but it's a mandate. Well, it's like they'll kick you out of the airplane. Depravity has all kinds of manifestations. And even when Paul wrote to the, Paul wrote to the Corinthians, in the words, I've written you in my letter, not to associate with sexually immoral people,

not at all. the people of this world who are immoral are the greedy and swindlers are idolaters he brings this up in chapter five he brings it up again don't be deceived either the greedy drunkards slanderers swindlers he keeps going with these people with these kind of attitudes and it had come down into the church and it was it was there, well, out of all the places you want to pick God's people, shouldn't be involved with this type behavior. It's more than clear. In fact, he says, they won't, they're not going to inherit the kingdom of God.

Right. You know. But it's an interesting. He said, that's what some of you were. Right. But you were washed. You were sanctified. You were justified in the name of the Lord of Jesus.

Yeah, later we get to. He's saying there's not like something you can't crawl out of, but get off of each other. back and all this nonsense. You know, you know, when someone is swindled, you know, you think they were somehow another, and they were cheating them and then they were swindling them. I don't know whether they were slicking them out of their money. You know, I mean, it's been 2,000 years ago.

We're looking at a culture. I would say it's pretty, we're in a culture two thousand years after that. And I'm seeing a lot of carrying off. But. Well, and back to the original what we were talking about. They're calling you on the phone trying to get your, you know, they say trying to get you to give them your social security number. People are calling other people and they get on it. Then they get on the internet and they're back and forth, you know.

I mean, there's a lot of ways we have some of our sponsors where people are slicking you out of your money. I mean, there's a lot of swindling going on via the internet. And this is saying here, 2,000 years ago in a society and a culture that were nowhere near. or the errors, but the same thing was going on. Yeah, I mean, because human nature is human nature. Whatever a period of time you're talking about. I was going to say that the point is, the big point you're talking about, is you would rather people make a decision to do the right thing because it's the right

thing to do. And we were talking about seatbelts. I mean, you're safer with a seatbelt. I mean, I think that's true. But I would rather it be that people had the choice. But you know what? If it's a law, it's a law. But they made a law for that.

So I'm like, okay, I mean. Well, and that's your physical well-being, which I guess would imply your spiritual and emotional. But, I mean, if you're dead, you're dead. Right. I mean, I think statistically that's not a bad law. But I'm saying, I was saying I wish they would do with the same vigor. Yeah.

About the cell phone. Because to me, I'm seeing that every day. So inside this body of believers, I'm still on this. when he says the greedy, the drunkards, slanderers nor swindlers. That's what some of you were. So they came out of these backgrounds, and this is the way they were,

and now it's kind of been brought over into the kingdom of God in the church. And he's trying to get to the bottom of it, and I think that's why he finally ends up, the solution for it, I think is by the time you get over to 1 Corinthians 13 toward the end of the chapter, he reminds them of the gospel.

And he tells them what love really is. And there's no harm to his neighbor. It's patient, it's kind. It doesn't keep record of wrongs. Well, you just start going down the list. And you say, you know, in any culture, if they love one another and love is patient, I mean, it does not boast and all these things about it.

You know, and it's pretty a detailed thing. It keeps no record of wrong. It's not rude. It's not self-seeking. It's not easily angered. It always protects, always hopes, and love never fails. So the solution to the problem at Corinth, in my humble opinion, they just, they didn't know what love was.

That's almost like they didn't. know what it was but surely they did i mean we're two thousand years later i mean you see a pretty mischievous culture we're in right now you know i wrote a book about it about they're just trying to cancel anybody and everybody and find out where you went wrong and never forget it the rest of the rest of time i guess so well you got to understand the the corinthian church i simply say not much change not not a whole lot of change in church was was was i mean you everything we've read up to now, they were definitely, they're immature, they're new Christians. I mean, the church hasn't been around very long.

That's right. I keep wondering the same thing. Where were the elders? Well, but think about it. You don't have any yet. That's what I'm saying. And so it makes more sense that, because in this specific chapter, which I noticed Zach left before we got to first sentence five, because it's, I mean, let's, I mean, let's, I mean, let's. face it, this is worse than PG-13, what I'm going to read.

But it's like, he has this report that there is sex limerality, which is sex that's not right. You know, right sex is defined by Jesus, Matthew 19. By the way, Jay, so this is one of those, because I'll hear people say, well, the Bible doesn't talk about, and then they'll bring up some sort of sexual behavior. But you understand when the Jesus clearly lays out, in Matthew that sex is between a husband and a wife. That's what he's sanctioned. He said, that's what we need to do.

And he went all the way back to Genesis too. So therefore, anything else is a no-go. So you know what I'm saying? You don't have to come up with every example of every possible. Although you go back and read Leviticus. That's why he laid out the standard in Matthew 19. Right. That for this reason.

I want to make that point because a lot of people are like, well, I mean, I talked to a pastor one time. And he was like, well, the Bible, Jesus never saying anything about homosexuality being simple. And I said, well, sure he did. Well, but I think the whole point of this, Al, is. I mean, this was the situation. There's two different conversations, though. Because he addresses to the world in verse 9, which what was Phil was reading, but he was saying his point was not really nothing has changed. He was saying, if someone claims to be in Jesus and a part of the body of Christ,

there's a different conversation here that's fiction to occur. That's his whole point. When he got down talking about not associating with the swindlers and all those, he was saying, I'm not talking about them. In that case, you'd have to dig a hole and hide in it. I mean, he didn't say it. What do he say? You'd have to leave the world.

Yeah. In that case, you'd have to leave the world. But he was saying, I'm writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother, but who is. with sexual, moral, greedy, idolatier, with such a man don't even eat. It's a different conversation. I think that's what the world,

when they hurl persecutions on people of faith, they miss that. But I wasn't talking about people in the world. I'm talking about people that claim to be Christians, that claim they can live a lifestyle outside of the standard, Jesus. Well, exactly. That's what I'm trying to read the text.

You got Matthew 19, sex between a man and woman. Well, the Apostle Paul. elaborates on it when you get to chapter 7 over here and he even talks about how often you have sex which is pretty amazing and it's pretty interesting on one of the points he make do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for our time you say well like if you were going to pray yes so that you may devote yourself to prayer then come together again and he and he makes an interesting point so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. He did say, I say this as a concession, not as a command.

He said, look, you just had to be wise. He was just giving them advice. Sound advice. But most people wouldn't think that God would delve into something so, so what would be the word? Well, he designed it. Intimate? It's so intimate.

How often you have sex? And I read that, I thought, boy, but he did say, look, I'm not going to bind you, but I'm just saying, and you look at it, you say, you know, out of control, sex can get, you know, sex can get out of control. Well, and people are right, the temptation. So let's take a break. Well, somebody said, you know, a male has some kind of sexual thought every seven or eight seconds. Yeah, right.

So, and I believe God designed it. He's the creator of the universe. That was his idea. And when you see the childbirth process, you're like, there must be a God. How could this have just happened? I mean, it's crazy. So that's why I brought with Matthew 19 when it said, and God created them male and female.

And for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother, be united to his wife, too, will become one flesh. I mean, I was just throwing out there flippantly. That's why he discusses it. And then he's like, that's sex that is right. It's God sanctioned. I've said many times, it's shame-free. You take two people that have never had sex, man and a woman, they get married,

and they have their sex between each other. It's shame-free, guilt-free, disease-free, comparison-free. It's good. I mean, it's God-sanctioned sex, which that makes people feel uncomfortable, but you have to have that conversation. You on the internet browsing around, you know, having sexual experiences with yourself. I'll browse around on the internet. I'm just speaking to the fuck.

I understand. Most people do. I'm saying that that gets a hook in them that then disturbs their perception of women. These people are doing that for money. They're swindlers. And they're using the sexual immoral market to make money. young immature usually males well they're just not going to be able to turn this down because it's so quick and easy and they're wondering that we all go through that process and they start so much

earlier now because of you know easy exposure but you know but i'm saying that starts their view of what god had in mind and how a woman she's not your wife is not laying around all day wondering you know how she can make you happy sexually you know I mean, but that, but people think that if they go to the internet and say, well, look at what these women are doing. Yeah, somebody got paid somewhere for you to be watching that. You follow me? It's like, so then they have a, they have a manipulated view of a woman and just treat her as something. An object.

Yeah, an object that's supposed to please satisfy them sexually. Well, guess how long that marriage is going to last? Not long. Yeah. So, and you have the opposite of two people who. love their creator and you have a spiritual foundation first all the great qualities that make you successful in every aspect of life love joy peace patience you know perseverance faithfulness self-control all these things you build a relationship on that that's why christian believers

should have and they don't always have it they should have a huge advantage over the world because of just the Christian lifestyle, as we're talking about. In other words, if my wife is also my sister in Christ, how could I not treat her with respect? And you read the 1st, Corinthians 13. I mean, that should be. It was not by accident that around Carment, the venereal disease was a big problem.

Because religion in the old temple of Aphrodite, religion was tied into prostitution. That was your, so obviously we had some major, yeah, major problems. But finished reading this particular problem. Yeah, I feel like we've gotten. Yeah, we, I mean, First Corinthians five was more about those two different conversations. I mean, so, so we, yes, they were immature, where were the leaders?

And then Paul just drops this bombshell and says there's actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you and of a kind that does not even occur among the pagans. A man has his father's wife. So if you just stop right there, you're like, do what? Now, I believe this is completely my opinion, but based on my investigation into the Greek culture at that time and me being over there, there was this pursuit of the ultimate athlete, and they would have camps.

They had divided the boys and girls, like in Sparta, and they were training, and they were started, mating, they would dictate who was going to do the mating to try to come up. It's just like you're trying to get bigger deer or anything else. A good breed of horses. Yeah. Eugenics, yeah. They started doing that with humans.

And I really think the Sparta influence in that was what would make this a thing back then. I mean, it doesn't seem that crazy for us to read that down. You're like, there's a guy in the church sleeping with his. mom or stepmom. Or a stepmom, yeah. But I'm like, if you were so driven by becoming the ultimate physical specimen, I could see how you could be so self-absorbed with doing that. You're like, you know what?

The best bloodline is this bloodline and where you're trying to create the ultimate physical specimen. Yeah. So. I never thought about that, but that could be true. That's my opinion. But I think it makes more sense in that it's not like Greece was a big country logistically. and Sparta wasn't, what, 70, 80 miles from here? Right.

I mean, I just think that's what was going on. Because it was interesting that Paul points out that even nonbelievers don't typically do this. I mean, he pointed it out as being a very egregious situation. Well, it made me go down that road to that next phrase when he says, and you're proud. So it wasn't like this was, I was like, well, how could they be proud of that? And that's why the more I read about the history and what was going on, trying to bring up the they were just saying working on the seed line i i really think that makes more sense than anything i read yeah because everything else i read was just you know i mean now look

they somebody could have got it right and i could be totally wrong i mean i'm just giving you my opinion but i was trying to but let's figure out why they're proud of this in any culture when you hear about an incestuous relationship and it happens all the time unfortunately i mean it turned your stomach over some because it's just not that's not normal that's what i mean why are they proud of it right i mean that makes no sense you're right there would have to be some reason why so so while that's what led me to look for the reasoning yeah because i was like why would you be proud of this and then when i read about that i don't have it just at the ready when i i taught this book or letter a few years ago in a class.

And I did, I had all that research and I read it. But it was pretty graphic, you know, what they were doing, which is, well, I'm saying, they were separating the boys and girls and they were picking out the two best athletes. Didn't matter if that was your sister or your cousin. Y'all are together. By the way, they didn't mind chunking them over the cliff if something was wrong with them. It's horrific what was going on there. So I think that makes sense.

Look, if you have a different reasoning, I don't really think it matters one way or another. but the fact is, I know this was going on because Paul's bringing it up, inspired by the Holy Spirit. He says, shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief? Because that's what it was more about is. The attitude, you have this going on and you're not even upset about it.

And so the underlying theme is there's a standard by which Jesus presents once you surrender to him. Because you think about it. You surrender to Christ. You have the mind of Christ. All these things we're saying, this relationship.

He knows your right. motives of your heart. Everything that's led up to right here. And now all of a sudden you have this going on in your church and in their family. That specific family, but then everybody else seems to be proud of and they're supporting them. So he's making it clear that there's a different conversation, attitude, and response to sin that should occur once you're in Jesus. Correct. And I'm making a key point about this because when I go into the real world, world, modern world now, when I'm with unbelievers, I'm not getting up there and talking about the choices they're making. I'm not doing it. I'm giving them a presentation of Jesus. I may refer to a few

things, you know, use some things about the creator and the evidence and the guilt of bad choices, because everybody is a sinner. But based on what I'm reading here, once you get them in Jesus, he's the one that teaches them to say no, that verse grace teaches us to say no. He's the one that's going to change their heart and mind about the decisions they make and the relationships they perceive. So it does no good to go out here

and stand on a street corner and bash whatever these different kind of sexual sins or whatever. To me, that only makes it worse. If somebody that don't know Jesus, and so he's later going to get to that, but I'll keep reading. You're right. You have an expectation there.

Let's take another break. So verse three, he says, for though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit, and I've already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. Now, he made that phrase there.

He said, I passed judgment on it. So a lot of people say, whoa, I thought we weren't supposed to judge people. That's a good question, because he's going to explain that. But verse four is my point, what I think should be stressed here. And the point being,

when you're in Jesus, there's a different conversation about lifestyle and decisions. When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus, and I am with you in spirit, and I love this phrase, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present. So he's making a point of that, which makes this different. We have the Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead, appealing on our behalf of the right hand of God,

when we come together in his name, his power is present. I think that's a, that is a great idea to put in their head. It's not like you're just gathered here to do whatever. I mean, the power of Jesus Christ is here. So then he says, hand this man over to Satan. And here's what's incredible, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed, and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord. the only reason you're confronting this fellow in the name of jesus who claims to be walking with jesus

but is having this relationship go on the only reason you would say no and would put him out of your fellowship if he would not entertain the thought that a jesus lifestyle has different standards is to try to eventually save him you just can't operate like your god when you've surrendered to God. Yep. There's a God and we're not him. That's it. So then he goes on just to make the point of, to get to the point about the different

conversation, he said, you're boasting is not good. So that goes back to the reference of verse two. And he says, and you're proud of this. He was more upset, which this sounds crazy, about their attitude toward it, than actually what had happened, which should make anybody's stomach churn. But he's like, one thing to do that, it's another thing. You're just like, look at us. Which then goes back to my point about I do think they were trying to build the world's greatest physical human specimen.

Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb has been sacrificed. Therefore, let us keep the festival not with the old use, the use of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth. That's all he's saying is if you can't have a conversation with this guy and if he does not want to relent, or if he's going to go around boasts about it, we're just not going to be into fellowship. This is a deal breaker, is what he's saying.

It's not that he can't be saved. We just read that. We need to make this a deal breaker because he's surrendered to Jesus. He's claiming to be a part of our body. And he's living the exact opposite and has the exact opposite attitude about it. So then he comes up with this caveat. He said, now, because I guarantee you he knew, and they still do, they took this way too far or could take it too far in any kind of culture.

Because he says, now I've written you in my letters not to a story. associate with sexual immoral people. He just, he just, he just wrote it. Not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral or the greedy and the swindlers or idolaters. In that case, you would have to leave the world. And to Phil's point, right here's where you insert this, God and us, truly, we truly love everybody. Why did, why does he want them to disfellowship the son? Because they eventually want him to be saved because they love him. But he, he's, why he? He doesn't, he, he, he, he's, he, He's calling right, wrong, and wrong, right. That won't work in Jesus.

Then he says, I'm not even talking about the people of the world. So then he says in verse 11, but now I'm writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother who's sexual, moral, greedy, adulter, slander, drunker, swindler, with such a man don't even eat. So it's a different conversation. So you're like, so just too fast forward that,

y'all brought up, you know, homosexuality or swindlers. Look, I have friends in the world who fit all these categories. Sure. And I am friendly with them. Yep. And you say, oh, no, what are you doing? Are you sanctioning that? I said, I am being a friend and a lover of people.

And I'm not judging them. Yeah. I try to present them Jesus as quickly as possible, not based on their lifestyle. It's just no matter who's in earshot, that's what I'm going to do and have a Jesus conversation. But then he closes and then we can talk about it to finish up. He does say something that's contrary to what a lot of churches believe today because a lot of people say you never should judge.

But he's actually saying judgment is something you do. Peter said the same thing. In the church, what business is it of it? What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? So what's the understood answer? It's none of your business. Right. That's right.

are you not to judge those inside? Understood answers, yes. Yes. So that's why when the world sometimes says don't judge me, I say, yeah, you're right. But now I'm going to have a conversation with Jesus and let you figure that out. Because God will judge you. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to point you to the one who's the ultimate judge.

But now once you claim to be in Christ, there's a different set of standard here. And you caused it when you surrendered. I mean, God ultimately caused it because he pricked your heart and he loved you and it's a positive thing. But what I'm saying is we've all had these conversations with young Christians who are doing something like this. Maybe not quite as ghastly. And then we have a conversation. Hey, I thought you made Jesus the Lord of your life. How come we've gotten reports that you're commode, hugging drunk,

and back to dealing drugs and prostitution and what we've all had these conversations? And they're like, what are you judging me? And you're like, yes, you're my sister. You're my brother. Yes, I'm judging you. And again, it's. But I love you. And I want you to go to heaven.

I want you to have a productive life. And that's the concept he brings in about the east, which I thought was really interesting. in this particular context, which seems like more of a, I mean, I don't know whether this person was a Jew or a Gentile initially. I'm assuming Gentile, to your point. But he uses a very old illustration. He goes all the way back to the Passover.

That's what he, you know, he didn't by accident say the Passover land. Then he talked, because, you know, they had the unleavened bread, and the idea was, I don't want you mixing in with this mindset in Egypt. I want you coming out of that. So I thought it was interesting that he used that illustration in this particular story. I mean, I don't know what the Gentiles would have gotten it as easily, man. I really just. He was in on the blood of Jesus, and they were referring to that.

He said that's the difference between him. Well, you know, he talks about the supper later in chapter 11. So I'm sure he was teaching as he went, you know, that the supper was actually representative of the Passover. Just, you know, now it's what they, and they were having problems with that. Remember how they were getting along with each other? Exactly. Let's take another. We've dealt with this before.

And one of them that we still work with and we help fund his mission. But at one time, you know, he said, I was a woman about three years. And I said, who told you that? Who told you you were a woman and not a man? Your biology says you're a man. He said, the evil one. and he said I bought into it. So he showed me pictures of when he was a man but acting like a woman

or looking like one. Right. He had all these procedures and drugs and first one thing and other. But now he just as faithful as he can be. Because he came to Jesus. Every time he comes through here, he'll stop over, you know. We'll talk it over, have a little meal. They say, keep up to good work, man.

Slip him a little cash, gas, money, whatever. So we support him. Just a couple days. ago somebody sent my article and said they're you know they're threatening a lawsuit against m and ems because the characters yeah they don't have enough gender it's just male or female yeah like we need we need to be not sure about that particular color what he or she is yeah i thought it was a joke that's true then i went and looked at the internet i was like nope this is real story yeah somebody's job is to go around

somebody's getting paid, which I think this is contributing to the lack of the workforce. Somebody's getting paid to go look at companies and say, no, this, you got, you actually have a female M&M and a male on a commercial. That ain't going to work. We need more questioning of our. That's why when people, you know, I was talking to a CEO of an outdoor. type company. By you there, Jace. Not much

has changed when it comes to these matters. The homosexual behaviors the, what was the we're going to deal with gender issues. The male prostitutes, the adulterers,

well, that's what I was going to say. Not a whole lot has changed in 2,000 years. Would you all agree with that? I agree. He was telling me he could not find they're having trouble. Because they'll hire a worker and they're like, I mean, you're wanting me to stock these shells all day? They're like, yeah, we'll pay you for us.

I mean, it's like too much work. He's like, I'm not kidding. One right after another, they're like, I mean, that's a lot of, that's a lot of work. They're like, yeah, we're going to pay you to lift things and put it on that shell. They're like, no. He's one right after another. He was benting at me, saying, what is wrong with these people? And so this M&M thing came up.

And he's like, there are people, it's a, people are looking for jobs like that. They're just sitting at their house watching commercials on the internet. And they're like, oh, we got a problem here. Let's do something about it. We got to redesign the M&M&M. They're getting paid for that. That's like a job now in our society is to look at digital, things and then make an assumption

on a spiritual matter for our culture and people will pay you. There is, Jase. I just wrote a book on it. It's coming out in about a month. The cancel culture. They either go with the ideology or you get canceled. Be with us or we cancel you. And then they try to take your job, your livelihood, your

kin folks attack, anything. Any way to get back at you? Your platform to speak to people. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a terrible thing. But when you think about it, his example of the yeast that works through the dough is exactly what you have to watch out for. That is your point, Jay, is worldly thinking, once introduced into the body and not dealt with, becomes acceptable. And that's what was happening here.

What I get upset about, though, because look, there's a lot of things we can talk about here, but a lot of religious people, you know, they go out and talk about the issues, but they're not talking about Jesus. I'm like, or they just use Jesus as a stepping stone to talk about the issues. Now, the only exception to those issues that I have is the right to life, because I think in that case, you're representing someone who can't represent themselves. I mean, they're in a womb. I mean, somebody has to rise up and says,

Well, wait a minute. But all these other issues, you know, about what adults do in their, you know, private bedrooms. You know, and I've said this and it just burns religious people up. But I'm like, I personally don't care. I don't care what they're doing. It's not like, because they're like, why do you care what I'm doing? I'm like, I don't. But Jesus cares about you.

God cares about you. There's a way to live forever. There's a way to have a foundation where you may. different decisions. So once they're introduced to Jesus and once they say, you know what, I think they're, I want to live forever. I want God's grace. I want a purpose. I want a family. I want all this. Once that happens, now we're going to talk about these issues. Because if you're doing something that is contrary to what he wants for you, well, we've got to have a conversation. I mean, to me, that's the little easy. He was like, you first have to have a conversation because you

don't want this catching on. You don't want to be applauding. that your son is having sex with his mom. You're applauding that? So that's why I said when you add in the element of being self-absorbed, and I think you have references that give those clues, like when he said in 1st Corinthians 9 about, man, we have the illustration about, don't you know that all the runners run,

but only one gets the prize. Everyone he competes in the games goes into strict training. Because that was the, there was two things that were. We're really big in Greece back then. Getting an army and these Olympic games, which was where our Olympics, the whole idea of the Olympics came from,

and to do both of those things to try to create a physical specimen, the ultimate physical specimen, which is still something that people are trying to do today. Exated on it. You know, I mean, when you get down ground level at a football game, You're looking around saying, well, they've been eating or drinking. I mean, it's just like, wow, what a physical specimen.

So they were the idea of somebody trying to do it as a society. Look, that's been going on since the beginning of the time. Let's take another break. You know, but one thing, Jay is, I mean, just totally being honest here, I mean, there are groups, you know, there are groups that claim to be believers, claim to be God's church that have embraced a lot of cultural stuff concerning immorality and different things

and said, you know what, here, we're not going to address that. Our leadership can be a part of it, whether it's trans stuff or, you know, gay marriage or whatever. I mean, it's pretty rampant in our culture. It is. The entire organizations. The church has changed their... They got away from what God said to then say culturally.

To me, I know what they did it. To me, you got to call them out because it's not right. I mean, again, inside the body, I'm saying you claim to be a believer. You can't say, square this up and say, so my pastor is going to be live with a man or woman if they're a woman. I mean, I agree, but I think in the, I'm saying we should judge that inside the church. I agree. I agree, 100%. And not in the world, because I'm with you.

Worldly. That's my point. You can't these people. I'm sure they're using them on the internet. I don't know. I don't read it on these religious things. But these people that go in and try to get in all these conversations over social issues or behavioral issues or whatever.

And I'm like, you're not going to fix it that way. You're not going to have a fundamental argument about gender and change anybody's mind on anything. My whole point was the, you have to go at it with Jesus as the crux because that was God's idea of how to communicate with the world. And my point is, once that conversation happens, then you can branch out. If you're listening to Unashamed podcast, and I know because there's a lot of different groups represented, and the group you're with has adopted these type policies, then I wouldn't

stay with that group. I would get out of there. I mean, to me, that's yeast from the world that has infected the body. I think that's good advice. I mean, I think that's fair. Yeah. But at the same time, you're right. we have to let people know who Jesus is.

Because without Jesus and the Holy Spirit, which is where we started in 1st Corinthians, without the message of the cross and the wisdom of the spirit, you're never going to discern. And it's a false narrative if someone says, well, you're just telling me this because you don't love me.

I said, oh, I'm telling you this, I do love you. Correct. That's what I'm showing you. I was going to say, I think, no, this is my opinion. Could be wrong. I think the groups you're referring to,

the religious group, who watered down what God said about behavior. I think they did it because they couldn't find a path to love. They're like, well, wait a minute, we're supposed to love everybody. And so if we come down on particular groups, because they say it's based on science or there's a few exceptions in our world where someone is born and you're not sure. And look, I'm all for surgeries and let's make a decision to go with it.

But for the most part, and I mean, I don't know what the numbers are, but the most, the most, you're either a male or a female. We get it. Now, let's take the exceptions and we'll have some different conversations or whatever about what to do. But I'm like, in this case, when we read First Corinthians 5, I didn't have some agenda I was trying to lean toward. I saw a spirit of love in every person that was mentioned. The world. Yep. The guilty in the church.

Because he wanted him saying. Yeah, they were only, now that's, I think, the difference in what I've seen with some of these groups. They want to kick people out and they do it in meanness and hatred. It's just the spirit of it. And so I'm like, just as bad as this group, this family was, in being. proud of the bad behavior. If you're disfellowship in someone in a mean, we're trying to set a precedent that God is our moral compass.

And we want these people to realize, I mean, kind of like you do your kid when you're, you know, you don't enjoy popping his hand if he's fixed a touch of burning stove, you know. But I'm going to do it because why? I don't, I want him to realize that will hurt you. Look, I'm sitting here as the prime example of this. I mean, I was disfellowship out of our family at 17 years old. You were.

I was wondering if you were going to bring that up. Yeah, because it was my behavior. I mean, it had gotten to the point where everybody recognized it. It was not what God wanted. It was not what our family was about. And look, I'll confess, since you're opening this up, I had a terrible attitude because when they said, get out of here, I said, good ridden. I mean, seriously, I hope he never comes back.

But I did it and mean it because you were, y'all were pretty mean to meet you and your buddy. It was terrible. Y'all were terrible. Which is why I've never held it against you, Judge. Look, because I owned it. But the conversation you had with me is the conversation Paul's having with this church. That's correct. You can't stay here.

Now, you didn't say leave and never come back. No. You said if you need to leave and go figure out whatever you've got to figure out, then go. But you're not going to be able to live the way you're living and stay here. and so I made a decision to go. And after about a year of, you know, like a dog chasing his tail, and about get killed in New Orleans, I figured out, you know what, I probably, you know, home wasn't so bad, you know.

I mean, that whole lifestyle that I walked away from, it's actually pretty secure. And I came back. So when I came back, what did I get? Even from Jay's, I got accepted. The point is, in Jason's point, is you never want to wall them off to where there's no escape. Or there's no pathway home. The next chapter, the one I quoted to the old GQ man, and all the slanders and their swindlers with their homosexual offenders, male,

they're going to be into the ken. And that's what some of you were. He uses that to let them know. Look, a lot of y'all used to do these same things. But it's gone now. You were washed, probably speaking of the baptism. You were sanctified, set apart. You were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

He shows them, we're not giving you something that there's not a way out. There's a way out. Right. Just straighten it up and then come out of that, quit behaving like that. Because y'all come from some tough backgrounds. God forgave you. You know, Jesus number one, you can get out of your life. So it's never too late.

But I've told that before that, whenever I'm sharing my testimony, my story, I always say, you know, my dad, there wasn't hate speech. No. By him telling me your behavior needs to change. change. That was love speech. But it took me a year to figure that out. And so that's the same thing with people you share with. I mean, they may initially take it as you're judging me or, you know, whatever. But look, truth is truth. And if their heart is right and they come around, then they don't understand that later. But not everybody understands it immediately,

especially when you're trapped in sin, which I was. Yep. Exactly. I mean, I think it's a great illustration exactly the illustration but that's why i said when you throw in the immaturity and you look at how you treat your kids and sometimes you got to make difficult decision not that you don't love them right you're like this this is not going to work here you're representing our family i mean you say the same thing in your in your family dynamic that he was saying well we're god's family they're like you're celebrating something that even the pagans are like whoo that's bad Yeah, because the bottom line is, and he's going to get to it in verse Corinthians, 12, bottom line is Christ is our head.

We're the body. Right. We're connected. He's the head. That's where the decisions are being made and the body is following, and we're all a part of it, whether you're a thumbnail, you know, or a calf. I mean, this is how it is. You're not representing the head here.

Exactly right. And you can have more than enough sexual activity doing it God's way. Well, exactly. It's not like he's saying, I'm going to punish you and hold, but you got to hold your sex just to one person. Or just like you can never have sex. You're talking to me. I can't have sex.

But with one person, that's it. But you can have all you want. And there's some reasons why, which we'll talk about later. I found out it was plenty, plenty for me. Yeah. And it is, it is, especially with me. be in y'all's mother. Something we love talking about.

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