Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 421 | Jase's Number One Rule for Marriage & the 'Something Went Wrong' Story

Episode Date: February 4, 2022

Jase shares a tip for a very happy marriage, and Phil talks about bad acorn crops and the diet of wood ducks. Jase talks about the challenges of hunting and how they appeal to his competitive nature. Al discusses sexuality within marriage and the parable of a servant who owed a debt of forgiveness. And Jase's TV error prompts him to create an analogy for Missy. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed https://PhilRobertson.Substack.com — Read two FREE chapters of Uncanceled by Phil Robertson - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Jay, I got a, I'm still in Tennessee up here at the Trenton Crossing Church of Christ, which is allowed me to use their building for a couple of podcasts, which I really appreciate. Dad, they had their, told me they had their biggest crowd yesterday since the pandemic at the church here where I spoke. And a lot of the reason why I was because a lot of people that were here had driven from a couple hours away that listen to the podcast. So those of you I met here at Trenton Crossing, thanks for making that trek down to see me. I mean, it's humbling to me that so many people listen to the podcast.

And if one of us is somewhere and they get a chance just to shake your hand, say, hey, this podcast is, you know, really changing my life. I mean, that's a very humbling thing. And so I got to experience that yesterday. But, Jason, I got a picture from my oldest daughter, Anna. and she was sitting outside the king cake bakery at like 6.30 in the morning. She waited like 30 minutes before they opened to buy you a king cake. And I was like, man, I don't know what it is.

She is a very loyal, loving person. But I was like, that's pretty much above and beyond the call of duty. So she's taking care of it. She knows my love for king cakes. And I think that, I think what calls that out is the last time she did that, she went once, waited three hours, no king cake. You know, by the time she gets to the front of the line, they literally were out. So then about three days later, I didn't ask her to do this for me.

She just, she loves them and she knows I love them. Yeah. So she brought me one. And I thought, you know, this woman, my niece is, doing what, really, I do the same thing for ducks, what she does for kingcakes. She gets there early. She's got to ride through it.

You've got traffic people, everybody trying to get the ducks, everybody trying to get the king cake. And so she brought me a king cake, and instead of paying her, what do they cost, 20 bucks, I gave her a hundo. I said, keep them coming. That could have been motivation. I think I let a fire because then I'm in the duck blind when she sent me an text.

Yeah. Oh, well. And I got home and guess what? King cake. Which within a 24-hour period, there is no more king cake because they're better when they're fresh. She sent one out to Dad. She got one for Dad. Did you try it, Dad, the one that she sent out to you last week?

I tried it, and I was stunned. It was so good. Oh, man. Look, I've had multiple letters. Somebody's... My first bite, I bit down on something that was not going to give at all. Oh, you got the coin? Have the coin.

You know what that means? Phil, you got to buy the next one. First bite, just bump, I got past the coin. I'm not, okay. So, Nan's going to be waiting for your hondo is the next one, Dan. So it's interesting. I didn't even think about that. What's interesting, which, you know, I always try to parallel it to,

because that's from being married to my wife. I'm like, because I was trying to explain that analogy, and she's like, I don't get it. I was like, well, you know, we have a saying in the duck blind, you know, we'll just wait it out. You know, we'll say, you got to ride the hole, you know, they're coming at some point, you know. So I was like, it's kind of the same thing. She's just waiting it out. I mean, we're talking king cake.

These things are priceless. But the Lord blessed me with, I didn't get to hunt for a week. And they're the last day, Sunday morning. I'm by myself because everyone else, they were going to come in the afternoon and go to church. I was just going to go later or watch it online because I hadn't hunting so long. I was like, this is the last day. I mean, I have to go. And I went to the same place that y'all had to.

gone the day before, which is usually a no-no, because y'all actually had a good hunt. I mean, we, nothing happened for over a week, and then on Saturday, y'all have a good hunt. And I just went back to the same place because I really didn't have a better idea. We had a hunt better than all of them in a month. Right, on the Saturday. So I go back to the same place. So the day before duck season closing, I mean, it's getting tight. Yep.

So I went to the same place as by myself, which, I mean, Phil gave me the nickname, Lone Wolf McQuaid. I think your favorite hunting partner, as it turns out, is you. Yeah. He's actually said something similar in the past. That's true. I mean, you know, it's weird. Like, I wouldn't metal detect by myself because it's just, I like being with other people

and people holler. And I like that you wouldn't play golf by yourself. Wouldn't play golf by myself. It's a pretty good deal because most people, well, what you're doing is you're rooting out someone erroneously shooting over your head or sneezing at the improper time when you got Mallards floating in or banging on something, you know, or they are so bold. They think they're going to call one and they spook, spook that bunch off. I mean, it's it. Well, to give you a little. The only one you can blame for a misstep if you're hunting by yourself is you.

Right. Well, to give you a little glimpse into how I think and why I liked hunting by myself, especially on this particular day, is because overall our duck season can be summed up with, it was a dry year during the nesting time in Canada. So we had way less fresh new ducks. No doubt. And we saw it as, I mean, it was obvious.

The ducks we dealt with this year were way. smarter and and they just weren't dumb well then number two there were not near as many of them not near as many of them number two we we had a freeze the year before during February and somewhere when the ice got on those oak trees we didn't produce any acres none so those two factors really I wouldn't say we didn't produce them the almighty in his wisdom that's what I meant Left the acorns off. I can't make the acres grow. I wish I could.

Good, clarify. It made me think, is it illegal? I've got to look this up. I probably shouldn't be having an illegal discussion here before. On a podcast. For God and men. Would it be legal if you have a bad acre crop? Because I have a place in Tennessee.

And look, it literally, every time the wind blows, you think it's a hail storm with acres. And I thought, what's wrong with just picking up? buckets of acorns and dumping them out. I'm wondering since it's a natural occurrence, we need to check the law on that. When we realize we didn't have any acres, if it's legal,

if it's not considered baiting, would it be wrong to get buckets, and I'm talking big buckets of acorns and bring them in? You need to call the feds, I guess, and ask them. I believe I will right after this is over. What I was going to tell you is the reason I didn't mind this is because I thought,

I like the challenge. I'm very competitive. And so I'm like, what can I do to try to slick? Because we have a few new ducks because y'all had a good hunt. The problem is mallards only eat acorns when they get in a bind.

Right. Food. But what happens is if you have a big acorn crop, all your local woodies that raise there in the backwater, and they will stay there because the acorns and that holds them. Then all the ducks are from some way off place, if you have the most acorns, especially when it comes of wood ducks,

wood ducks that's their number one food, pin oak acorns, willow oak acorns. When you have a bunch of wood ducks, it attracts other ducks. Other ducks say, boy, it's got to be a place to go. There's a party. Look how many ducks are down there.

And they're kind of like humans. You learn a lot, and I was going to make an analogy on this. So I put out my decoys. which ducks at this time of the year late, if you're dumb, you're dead. So they're gone. So we've got real smart ducks.

So I actually put my decoys out because I know at this time of year, they're looking for a mate. And so this is when they pair up. You don't see these big bunches. You'll see a lot of lone maller drakes flying around going, they're looking for a hint. So I thought since we're talking about marriage

and all I'll kind of look at it from that perspective based on 1st Corinthians 7. Most people don't understand that ducks, and on top of all that, they can tell time because when legal shooting hours end, when it ends, at 538, legal shooting hours is over.

You cannot shoot a duck. Within minutes, you start looking and the ducks come out of the heavens and they load the place up once the, once the, illegal shooting ours. That's how smart time. Well, it's because they live to a certain point where they realize at a certain time.

As soon as that sun sets, it gets quiet. Yep. And they're not shooting at us. So now we can fly. That's it. And a lot of these ducks this year, they went nocturnal, especially on full moons. Because they're like, hey, there's something going on down there. They're not allowing them to shoot us at night.

Yep. So let's just fly at night and go find our places. So with all that going on, do you think they have a meeting to talk about that? Like with the beavers when the beavers? It's just, it's kind of like an evolutionary process. Yeah, it's a survival process.

So look, so I got my, because Phil said now we had a good hunt, but most of the ducks lit down on the right about 7080 yards. We shot the decoys. But we corrected that. We moved them up. Well, I noticed your spread yesterday. I said, old Jay's figured out the same thing we did.

Move your decoys up. Well, that's what I did. They're in gunshot range because the way they are. So we just moved everything. Well, that's what I was fixed to explain to you. So what I did was, as soon as I got there, have my decoys out, the first duck, soon as it got legal, here comes two or three-miler, start working around. Well, they lit way down there on the right, out of range.

Yep. I thought, huh. Now, I wasn't calling because at this stage, They can almost determine by name when we blow a duck call. There's Phil. There's Jace. Get out of here. I mean, you call out them and they flare at this time of year.

So what I did was I waited twice because the next bunch came. It was a couple of mallards. Two drakes. And so I thought, ooh, they're looking for hens because of the time of year. So I waited for them to circle twice. And I just tapped one lick. Gank, gang, gang, gang. and I basically said,

softly. I'm an available hen there. And it's not, and it's not Jace. You appeal to the lust of the old latter Drake. And guess what? One of the drakes, when I

communicated. That's why lust is a killer biblically on feelings and men. One of the drakes said, that's Jace. The other Drake said, oh, I love the sound of that hen.

The wings locked. didn't come I bet you I can beat you down now look didn't come toward the decoys you know what he did he tried to come in the blind with me I mean way too aggressive so I killed him for it

and look no no ducks in this story were injured except the ones I ate later with my neighbors so we got down to the by the way were injured in the telling of this story we got down to the day where you hunted And then we went back again.

Well, I'm getting there for you. But the last couple of days, I just looked around and I noticed that I hadn't saved any ducks back for gumbos and such for a few months. Yeah. So our task was to make sure we had enough ducks at the end of the season that are dressed, ready to go for gumbos. Yeah. So what I did was I moved all my decoys. You noticed it. Yep.

out in front and to the left, way away from me. I noticed you put a lone hen out there. I had one lone hen, and then I was a hen over in a little secluded area because I'm brushed. I was analyzing your setup. Every time after that, that I waited two passes, and I would call, that same scenario happened until I had my limit. And I thought, yes. I mean, because to me, even though I was by myself, I slick.

these old ducks and I used their weakness because they were looking for a woman and I slicked them and so it was real fulfilling that I killed my limit before church and I did it craftily and I didn't have any distractions because I mean it's like sigh I love to hunt with sigh but we're going to kill less ducks because he's really loud and he won't get down so even though we I love to go with when you're getting down to where you're dealing with this difficult of ducks, it's better if he's not there if you want to shoot any. So go ahead. Let's take a break.

So anyway, I said that to say, when you're looking for a mate as a human, there are dangers. And the decision-making process, you know, to use this duck thing as an analogy, you know it can be devastating when you're looking for the wrong woman in the wrong places for the wrong reasons and i think a lot of it was fear and panic going on because they're like it's getting late we don't have a mate that woman sounded really good but you didn't even get a visual because i'd look nothing like a duck i just sounded like one so i thought but don't you think too though jays just on the hunting end which is why i'd look nothing like a duck i just sounded like one so i thought but don't you think too though jays just on the hunting end which is why you love hunting so much. And, you know, we always talk about guys that are on a hot hole, we call it, where there's plenty of ducks.

They're coming every day. You shoot your limit by, you know, 30 minutes after you get there. And that's fun. I mean, we've all done that. We killed a lot of ducks. But what you described, it was difficult. You had to figure out what would appeal to your situation. And when you do, don't you think it's just that much more rewarding?

You know, in terms of. So good. I mean, when I came home, Missy's like, why are you so excited? I was like, oh, that was one of the best hunts I've ever been on. And she said, well, who was there?

I was like, no, I was by myself. She's like, well, that's depressing. So I started trying to explain it to her. She didn't get it to this. So look, so here's what's funny. She wanted to watch later,

because all our kids are, you know, we're turning into empty nesters, you know. And so, she was trying to, we were trying to watch a show, and it kept, ever, ever minute or so, it would just pause. And you know, the little hourglass would start going. And I was like, I can't, I can't watch this. I mean, we either, let's do something else, or let's fix this. And she's like, well, it's only, I mean, it's, it was doing it every minute for about five seconds.

And she's like, I think it kind of adds to the anticipation and drama. I'm like, no, I, no. My TV was torn up. They just been doing the same thing. Yeah. So look, so she said, well, let me reboot it. And so when she rebooted, it hit me what the problem is. And I wrote this down, a message came up on our TV.

And it said, something went wrong. We're sorry for the inconvenience. And I thought, this is like marriage. I'm going to try to make an analogy over the hunt with her. I was like, see, so you fall in love and you think this is it. And all of a sudden you get about two weeks into it. And then a message appears in your mind. Something went wrong.

Something went wrong. Stand by. We're sorry for the inconvenience. Well, in that moment, half the population, they're just bolting. they're like now it would be nice if you could go reboot reboot something and just like oh it's back home we're going so i was trying to explain it to her and she just looked at me dumbfounded and said i'm not following you but i thought it was a pretty good illustration i love it and i love the idea that something went wrong

doesn't mean i married the wrong person because that's what people jump to well something went wrong So I married the wrong person, so I got to get out of this thing. It's like, no, wait a minute, just stand by. We're sorry for the inconvenience. So we're going to get this fixed. The idea is to fix it, not to just say something went wrong. I married the wrong person. So now you're following.

Now you're tracking with me. So here's what happened. When I was in the blind at daylight, it's legal. I got my decoys out. The first two or three docks come by, and they lit way down 100 yards away. And you know what I thought? Something went wrong. so I made an adjustment not to I didn't leave the hole I didn't say you know what I'm

going to Arkansas and finding me another new love what I didn't do that I made adjustment and then I continually made adjustments and the next thing you know we have a blissful experience and a wonderful adventure and so I tried to tell her that I thought it would inspire but guess what something went wrong and me telling her about something going right. She would have had the duck hunt for several years to really appreciate what you were saying, Jason. Yeah. And she never, I've never seen her in a duck mine. She went once.

She's gone a couple times. And you know what? About the third time she shot, I mean after, because I was more just worried about the safety of everyone involved. But after a quick tutorial and gun safety and all this. She actually is a pretty good shot just naturally. I mean, she, two scalp come whistling by, I would say it at least 40 to 50 miles an hour. And I was going to let her shoot first.

And when she, I said, cut them. You know, I was thinking, boy, this will be good. And she raised up and just bomp. And the lead one just folded. And so then I raised up and actually, because I was so stunned that she, because I only gave her one bullet. But I tried to shoot the other one and I missed.

And then I shot the other one. So you're saying this is you incorporate teaching a woman how to duck hunt as a marriage counseling session. Well, we tried it, but guess what? She said, thanks for the experience. I don't want to go back. And I thought, why? You're a good shot.

You didn't enjoy it. You know why she didn't like it? too many creepy crawlers in the blind. There was too many things crawling around. She has bug issues, which is bad. So there's a young couple, it's funny you said that, Jay's because we were having dinner up here. They're the ones that got me up here to speak at this youth event.

And the reason I came is because they were at Whitesbury Road. You remember the Summer Hills, Jay's? And so great family. Of course. So Matt, he joined the military. he was stationed up here at Fort Campbell, which is in Kentucky. And she was telling me, the wife was telling me that she loved a hunt with Matt. And she said the first time they went duck hunting was on their honeymoon.

And she said, he took me on us. She said, what do you call it a something, a woody something? And I said, a woody roost. And she said, yeah, that's what it was. I said, oh, oh. There you go. The first experience doesn't need to be one that's Breaking the law.

Well, that's exactly what I said. The first thing you did on your new beginning your new life together was you broke the log. Of course, he's laughing. He said, yeah, you're right. And then she said, so I was behind him. And he said, you need to shoot. And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now we got problem number two.

You shouldn't be behind somebody shooting. You need to be next to each other so you know where you're shooting. Yeah. Which, Al, the analogy, the number one rule in hunting. And in marriage is safety and security. Exactly. And seeing where everybody's at and what they're doing. So she said the first I raised up, of course he didn't give her one bullet.

She shot three times right over his head. Another rookie mistake. He said, Mr. Allen, I could feel the compression coming over my head. I said, oh, I know. We've all felt that. But I was like, with some wonder, you guys are still married. And they are happily. So they survived their early duck up.

I thought it was interesting. When I gave her the one bullet, I did make a marriage illustration because she's like, well, it shoots three. I said, yep. But I don't want to be worried about that little window of time when your safety's off in between shot number one and shot number two. I said, but look at it like our marriage. You get one shot at this. Make it count. And she did.

Yes, she's been loyal. So, but I was going to make as an analogy because a lot of young men have asked me my advice because they're like they can't find a woman who will marry them or they can't find a woman who they feel like is worthy of marriage. And I ask simple questions. I'm like, well, where are you going to look for these women? Well, you know, if you're going to wild parties and bars, you're not going to find a woman. that's marriage material. Yeah. Now, I'm saying, for the grace of God,

you can bring them to Jesus, and I have seen it work, but rarely. You know, I mean, because when it gets down into marriage, as many spiritual qualities as they have and as less baggage, and I mean life before Jesus, it's just going to be easier. It doesn't mean it's not, it can't work.

It's just going to be easier in that synonymous. are you? Would you agree? Exactly. In fact, that's exactly what I told the kids last night, Jason. I said at the end of my, when I finished up, I said, I've talked to you a lot, a lot of baggage that Lisa and I brought into our relationship. I want you to have as least amount of baggage as possible, you teenagers, going into your future adult lives. In fact, it'd be great if it was just like one of those little mini purses or just maybe one briefcase, because you're going to have a little bit. But, man, you don't want to hold a whole, a you-haul full of suitcases full of crap that comes into your marriage. So I made that exact

point. Let's take a break. Let's take a break. Well, in our last time, First Corinthians and 7, I mean, I tried to make it about the big picture because I ultimately believe if your relationship with God is solid and the foundation, you're in a better position to make great decisions about choosing a spouse or remaining single because in the end you're doing it for the kingdom of God and so I brought that out in the personality of the Trinity because ultimately you're looking at God's plan which is what we're all he wants us all to be a part of his forever family and that should be the standard and when you look at the difference in male and females you also see that we're brothers and sisters in Christ and we're sons and daughters of God

And I think those three views of our gender differences would help you understand how to have a dynamic marriage when you're putting it in God's context. The Apostle Paul, the same thing he said to the Corinthians, he said to the Thessalonians, it's God's will that you should be holy, that you should avoid sexual immorality, that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that's holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God, and that in this matter, no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord of punish me for all such sins, as we've already told you, and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man, but God who gives you His Holy Spirit. that's in 1st Thessalonians 4, but that goes along with what we're looking at

in 1st Corinthians 4 and 5. Yeah, well, exactly. And that's why I think that you should ask yourself three questions based on what we did last time. What is your plan for your marriage? Well, it should be what God's plan is, which is to be a part of his forever family. So what is our purpose for our marriage?

It should be what God's purpose is, which is to spread Jesus, even though we're flawed, and to bring as many people as possible into God's forever family that he created. And then you say, well, where's the power going to come from to do this? And that's when you get into the Holy Spirit, which gets into the love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control against such things, there is no law. So that's where I was getting to that, and eventually we'll get to 1 Corinthians 13,

and it shows you the way to show that in faith, hope, and love. Because you remember about the Corinthians, what was the bigger problems? I mean, we read all these problems. I mean, their biggest problem was they had forgotten Jesus. He had to remind them of the gospel. He tells them 90 times that he's Lord, you know. they were tolerating just open sin and division in the ranks and they neglected the greater weightier matters which are faith hope and love which i'm saying a truly uh sincere relationship with god realizes that

you're getting that faith in jesus you're getting that hope and sharing jesus and our future resurrected bodies and physically being part of God's forever family. But you're also getting that power of the Holy Spirit to make all this happen. And then it's not based on your performance. Because when you look, I look back on our marriage, I mean, I've done so many dumb things and had so many dumb philosophies as we've journeyed together into, I think, a dynamic marriage. that it is a reliance on God's power to make them successful. No, I agree.

And I think to Dad's point, to support that, Jay's, every passage in every letter that Paul wrote, dad mentioned First Thessalonians 4, 1st, Corinthians 13, we've read. You just mentioned Galatians 5, Ephesians 5, Philippians 2. Every passage that makes brother and sister stronger by the way you, treat one another by the way you live by the spirit makes your marriage stronger. I mean, the same principles can only make a marriage better if you're following the principles that Paul lays out for the church. Because the passages that we've been reading, they were written to the church.

But think about how the impact they have inside a marriage, because if you're treating your wife as you would treat your sister or your brother, I mean, it's always going to come out better, not worse. And what they do is the young marriages, their confidence is not in God about brotherly love. We do not need to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love each other. So your teacher is God, not the man you're married to, your teacher is God. And you put the principles and all of it together. You say you come out a much better person if you let God teach you.

That's why all scriptures God breathe, it's useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training. So the man of God will be thoroughly equipped for every good work. That's pretty well the goal. Remember the teaching has to be from God through His Spirit who lives in you. So it would cut to the chase and be very helpful. So, Jay's, think about that, I want you to put this thought into your grid that you're talking about with the idea of the Trinity and how it relates to marriage. In verse 3, 1st, Corinthians 7, we skipped over this one last time. Paul said, the husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife and likewise the wife to her husband.

Then he knows we're talking about sexuality because that's the context he mentions. But do you know that word duty? the Greek word there for duty, it only appears one other time in the Gospels or the New Testament. You know where it is? It's in Matthew 18 in that 21 through 35

where Jesus is telling the parable about the servant who owes a debt, that's the same word, of forgiveness to the one that, remember he forgave his debt and then he wouldn't forgive the debt to the other guy?

That's the word that's used. And I thought that was really interesting because the only other time that concept, and he's talking about sexuality within marriage, is the idea that we owe a debt to forgive people that have wronged us. That's the only other time that word is used. So I thought that was really interesting that a word that really has such a heavy spiritual connotation Paul uses when he's talking about sexuality inside of marriage. And coming out of that is Jesus is when he said, how many of you? time should we forgive somebody who sins against us seven he said 70 times seven that came out of that teaching i'm trying to figure out how i'm going to incorporate this into my making a move you know i owe you a debt look i have a duty that i must fulfill because my point spiritual thing you know i mean

how do i make you know hey let's let's take a break which is my point jays Paul is saying the same, because look, to a man, if you said it's your duty to have sex with your wife, you're like, all right, sign me up. I'm in. Well, I know, but that's not going to be appealing to her. Well, right. I got to go before my duty. Are you in?

Nope, I'm out. I'm not going to lose. Unless, unless you can convince her that the same responsibility applies to you forgiving her when she wrongs you or treating her with respect. because basically it's the same word is my point yeah well i'm get what i'm getting at you don't get along with your woman your sex life will suffer well exactly and i'm saying the answer is not to break out the bible and read first corinthian seven five that's a little much that's going nowhere so i was trying to take al's analogy and give a give a pickup line to your wife So we need to think about that.

Or maybe we just make that, yeah, make that appeal to the wife's body does not belong to her alone, but also to her husband. Yeah. Well, I know you like that. And this is men's favorite verses in the Bible, unfortunately, sadfully. I'm just quoting scripture here, dude. No, I'm agreeing with you. They want a romantic.

I mean, it's a pickup. That's God's teaching. I'm like, I need to find that lesson. I had one time I did 10 pickup lines for your wife, but I don't know what I did with that. Yeah. But it's lost in the annals of time, Jay.

Yeah, I know. I need to revisit that. But the key thing is, is what I'm saying. Marriage is get stale and old for whatever reason, and people get bored. These are the types of words they use. That's why I keep going to the bigger picture. I mean, it's like me when my first, when y'all said,

you ought to wear these Tommy Johns. I said, Tommy John. So I did. And as I stroll by in this case, he said, wow. And I'm like, okay, now we've opened up, we've opened up a door here. And I'm not sure how I feel about that story. Well, I think at any point in life it's called an upgrade. I mean, Dad's been wearing them saggy, tidy, witties.

They quit being tidy a long time ago. They're saggy white. How you cover your body within a marriage must be a type of point there. I never got the wow. Might I got a woo. Well, there's different interpretations of wow. Yeah. I mean, I've had some mountaintop experiences that led someone to say wow.

And then I've had some valley moments that people went, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I understand. Well, another thing I think we should address that's in this text, there's some larger themes. I think we've established the fact that Paul is dealing with some questions that he got about a lot of specific situations.

And so he's basically giving them advice on what he thinks they should do. And by the way, I mean, all three of us are inspired men of God because we have the Holy Spirit. And I don't know about y'all, but I've heard so many different scenarios when people come to me and say, here's my situation. And so I usually apply a passage to try to say, well, here's the best thing.

But sometimes I'm like, you know, I don't know. I just think, here's what I think. And, you know, this is something you might try. I mean, I feel like it's a studied opinion, but it's not really a biblical thing. And I almost feel like some of the things Paul's talking about is like that. It's like, hey, I think you should think about this.

Plus, in this right here, one that could be tricky at best. when he says in verse 2720 you look you have people they've had four wives or five married divorce married divorce and it's widespread but it is interesting that in the middle of all that

each person should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him In other words, you've got a past. I had one. It was pathetic. Well, it's impossible to go back and undo what you've already done as far as practices. Were you a slave when you were called? He brings in slavery.

Don't let it trouble you. Although if you can gain your freedom, do so. For he who was a slave, when he is called by the Lord is the Lord's freed man. So he's basically saying, think of your conversion. There's no use trying to undo all of what you've done before. You've got four wives. You've got kids about three of them. If you try to get back and get that untangled,

it seems to suggest, look, God takes all that into account. You can start over. Exactly. And I think what people do, I'm glad you brought this up. They try to take what happened in 1st Corinthians 5, where you have open sexual immorality and bragging about it. That is correct. In the name of Jesus.

And they're like, no, wait a minute. You have a different conversation and you say, even if we have to disfellowship somebody, you're free from that. Yeah. That's different than this, where a lot of religious groups practice this police kind of Gestapo-type performance in the church

of trying to go back 30 years and take the principles in 1st Corinthians 7 the questions that they had yeah and start dictating policy on what you can and can't do and as a result they come up with unforgivable situations

where people are looking around saying what that's why my whole point has been if you surrender to the Lord and you realize you have the power of the spirit and you're functioning as a son or daughter of the Almighty and a brother and sister in the church going back to Ephesians, he has set up as us being the bride of Christ a way for leaders to be

involved in difficult situations. So now with a surrendered humble spirit, you may be in one of these situations where you're married to an unbeliever or you've been married 17 times and it's as complicated as you can come up with. So now you're, you've married Jesus and you're a brother and sister, brother, sister, and the Lord, well, sometimes you may have to have conversations with leaders and wise people who are led by the Holy Spirit as a functioning church, but whatever we try to do, we're going to, we're going to consult the head, which is Christ, and move forward and use the transformation in his grace from where you're at right now in a way that glorifies God. I think that's doable.

Yeah. Instead of going and being mean and hateful and judgmental over situations that you've just created with trying to fix someone's pass and all the carnage that lies. You're making it impossible for his sins to be removed. Well, you look up in these churches and what happens is there's very few people there and most of them that are there are mean. Yep. And you're like, well, I wonder what happened.

Because I think you've promoted a plan that was not. not God's plan, including grace and forgiveness and wisdom and knowledge based on us coming together and saying, okay, how do we move forward to glorify Christ? So let's take our last break. And Jay's, to your point, I mean, it's a good one, is you mentioned this the last podcast, that a lot of people take this one chapter and then try to apply a whole new set of rules and circumstances and doctrines in their church. and that's what you get into again without understanding what he's talking about we don't even have

the questions that was asked one of them that i assume was asked because he spends almost half the chapter dealing with it because and again this is something we wouldn't even understand in our culture because the whole betrothal process that was going on in his time where you had someone who was legally bound to this virgin wife but he hasn't married her yet and consummated the marriage because he's working on their domicile and all this stuff i mean you can go back and start the history of this stuff. So the question had to have been, what if I got this, you know, I'm already committed to, where it'd be trothed. I've already got my diary. I'm building our life together. But now, I think it's best for me not to continue with the marriage because

I'm a believer. And so I want to commit myself to God. What do I do? I mean, that had to have been the question because he spends all this time talking, well, look, you're not wrong if you're married or you're not wrong if you do. So he spends all this time talking about it. But again, if we try to come in and apply stuff today that we don't even understand. And, you know, some people are, I mean, you think these things are controversial. Some people are in arranged marriages. So here we go. What do we do?

They didn't choose. They were forced by their parent, which I think is just ungodly. But, I mean, that's what they did. And it still goes on in culture. That's right. Yeah. For them, when they read this, I think in that situation, maybe they can figure out a way to move forward practically.

But my whole point has been this. And this is in 2nd Corinthians 11. So he's going to kind of follow up with this. But he says in verse 2, and this is Paul speaking, he said, I'm jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I mean, he's saying, I only want what's best for you. And he says, I promised you to one husband to Christ so that I might present you. as a pure virgin to him.

But I'm afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds have somehow been led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For someone comes to you and preaches of Jesus other than the Jesus we preach, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. And my point is, once they get in the same, got off Jesus being married to him, no matter what situation there is out there, and you can

include every culture and every situation that goes on from the beginning of time, you no longer have a basis to move forward that covers all situations. And he's trying to say, get the basis down. And then if you're in these different types of situations, God has a plan for your life. Now, it may take some prayer and some conversations with other spiritual people who are trying to help you out, but he was saying that I'm coming to you. I'm jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I'm trying to get your mind in the right frame to make decisions moving forward.

Because he's leaving out the part that your lives have turned into just a complete disaster and chaos. We all see that from Corinthians from the outside end. You look at the problems in their church, and you're like, what ain't a disaster? But it wasn't like he was throwing haymakers. He was saying, God's grace, God has a purpose, God has a plan for you. He even addressed all their questions in different situations, which I wouldn't do. I'd just say, look, fall in love with Jesus, then let's talk about it. But he goes down there, and I think it helps for people in difficult situations.

Once they fall in love with Jesus, they can go to 1st,000 and 7 and say, okay, I have an unbelieving husband. Evidently, by reading this, if I put Jesus first in my life, he's going to work in me in this situation. I do think that gives them comfort and hope. And I do think that's an overarching principle, Jace, because Paul says it here. And then Peter says it in 1st Peter 3. He deals with it when he says, look, if you're married to an unbeliever, the best. path forward is to stay married and try to win them over. I mean, that's the general principle.

But even Paul says here, but look, if they decide they're going to check it to you because they don't believe what you believe and so they're going to go live like the world and leave you, you can't do anything about that because a marriage takes two to tango. But I think in terms of a believer, and I know we have a lot of believers, listen to this podcast that are married done believers because I get questions all the time. I mean, win is win. And I'm like, look, as long as they're willing to love you and stay married to you, I think you should try to win them over.

If they leave you, you know, Paul said there's nothing you can do about that. That's not your, that's not your problem then. Well, I know we've got to close, but I want to say this. To me, in that scenario and all these scenarios, it's still not up to us just because we're Christians to go around and try to police all these situations. You know, we can get in the room and try to help people who are trying to do what's right in the name of Jesus. but you have this situation in 1 John 2 where you remember it talks about Jesus mediating for us and not only that but him dying for the sins of the world in chapter 2 but there's a verse and

verse 1 speaking of Jesus as our counselor kind of like our defense attorney he says I write this to you so that you will not sin and my point is no matter what you do in marriage or pre-marriage we sin people have sex whether they get married is wrong yes people get married multiple times people have made mistakes and so god's grace him on a cross and the resurrection and him writing about this he he doesn't want us to sin so that's in one one breath we want to do the right thing but then the next verse or next sentence says but if anybody does sin we have one who speaks to our father in our defense Jesus Christ Christ Christ,

Christ, and it's so hard for people in the church to have that attitude. It's difficult. Look, I've seen people just get married over and over. They're going to the wrong places, marrying the wrong women for the wrong reasons, and guess what's happening?

One disaster after another, and you say, well, you do, do you disfellorship them? And you say, look, you get back to Jesus, you're married to Jesus, make better decisions. I mean, that's all we can do as people, You can't go around saying, okay, seven strikes, you're out. No.

You just, you know, now somebody is openly living like First Corinthians, there are exceptions to that where you have a different conversation. But in generalities, we don't know people's hearts. And if they're saying what do I need to do, this is what we do. Well, I want to pick that up in the overtime. Before we go, blazedtv.com slash unashamed. You still got a little bit of time left before February 7. Use the code more unashamed.

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