Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 422 | Jase Defends Joe Rogan & Clearing the Air on the 'Man Who Brought Down Duck Dynasty'

Episode Date: February 6, 2022

Jase and Al stick up for Joe Rogan and highlight the fact that he is not an ideologue. Al and Jase talk about being kids and walking dangerous roads, and Phil discusses what it takes to love your fellow man. Al clears the air on the "man who brought down Duck Dynasty" and discusses the idea that God has awareness of everyone but only knows the ones who love him. And Jase asks the question, "If God knows me, what does that mean?" Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed This episode was recorded on 2/1/2022. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I've changed locations. I'm now, I went from Tennessee yesterday all the way to Alabama, which is a pretty long ride. I didn't realize it was quite so far. It's about eight and a half hours to get back down here to Alabama. I'm at the southern layer, Jay's. That's what I call my hangout down here. Because you guys are the northern layer. Probably not a lot of people around the beach during the dead of winter. No, in fact, you were right. I rolled in last night about 9 o'clock, and I mean, there's nobody.

That's the time to invite Phil. So, yeah. Well, I have my neighbors all the time say, well, you think your dad will ever come busy? I said, no. He has an aversion. All his problems are, he's like, it's too hot. Well, it's cold now. He's like, it's too sandy.

Well, I'm sure the sand's pretty packed down this time of year. It's packed and cool. It's cool. And it's not half-naked people because it's too cold. There's no naked people here, Dad. It's just something to the... Ducks season's over, so. I care nothing about that.

Okay, I try. It's just something I don't... A beach with water hitting on it. I'm not... Why's that funny? A beach with water didn't on. I mean, it's not into it. It just doesn't do anything for it.

I actually, you know what hit me yesterday? I drove, we were, I was doing a scout before I take a couple of days off for a potential, you know, filming the rest of our episodes for the show. And I drove by a place on my way to another place, but back when we were the infamous when we were living up around Darbonne Lake. And the last time I remember it, that's when you kicked everybody out of the house. That's last time I remember living there on the hill. But I'm not sure where we were.

But I do remember as a kid that, Al, do you remember this? We used to walk. They had a beach on Darbonne Lake. I think it was called Folly Beach. It was about a mile. We used to walk on that road. to go to the beach without parents. But I was looking at it as I was driving.

I thought, what were we thinking? I mean, it just seemed dangerous. Oh, it is dangerous. Our kids to be walking along that mile of bridge to go down that beach. And I thought, you know, we just, we made it. Well, the name of that beach pretty well sums it up for me, Folly Beats. Folly Beach. That's a good point.

That was, that was, if we could, if we could put a phrase dad on that era of your life, that's what it would be. Phil at Folly Beach. That's why you don't like beaches. I get it now. It's all. We used to go down there. Remember that out. Oh, yes.

Well, here's what, now here's what's funny, Jay's. It's just a blow your mind. So I was nine and you were five when this was happening. So just think about it. You think about, you see kids, you know, my grandkids, and I imagine my, my, I imagine my, my, a nine-year-old leading by my five-year-old breaking by the hand a mile away. I'm amazed that y'all turned out as well as you did. No, it's kind of yours.

Because I look back at it. Every time I bring it up, I just, my past, and what I could have been and should have been doing, I just cringe. Yeah, I hate to even bring it up. But it did hit me when I was going down that bridge. I mean, I'm looking at me myself and I was thinking, what a jerk. I mean, just. You were distracted, Phil.

you were distracted. It's sickening. Yeah, it happened. Well, but we, but dad, we don't hold it against you. I mean, look, what happened was you learn, this happens a lot of times. I see this a lot of times with families that have a lot of crisis like we were living in. You know, kids just learn to adapt and overcome. Yeah.

I mean, you know, at the time, I wasn't sitting around worried, oh, my goodness, what's going to happen and, you know, what's happening here? I just, you know, you just took charge and did what you did. I was protective of Jason Willie. And you know, it's what you did what you had to do. Moms all the time, like, apologizing because I didn't have a normal childhood. I said, Mom, it's the only one I knew. And I think looking back on it now, it's served me pretty well. I'm an independent person.

You know, I'm not afraid of things because, you know, you live the way we did. You just kind of stand out fear. Well, I mean, you have to get through, you know, your moments of, I mean, there's a reason people are sitting in counseling chairs and they go back and try to figure out where, What exactly was the problem with your kids? So we all have your moments. And I've said many times, you know, when I've understood who Jesus is, I just decided not only am I going to appeal to his forgiveness that all that chaos there, we're going to bury that too. So really, that was for me.

That's what it was. But I look back at the time, Al's right. I never thought, oh, boy, I could get run over by a car here. I mean, it probably wasn't a say. I'm not saying it was a good mood to be walking down that bridge, a mile nine and five, but we did it. And fortunately, you know, I think the Lord protected us in the overall. Well, that's the way, when I look back to this, that's what I see.

I mean, I look back. Every time I drive by there, I look up that hill. You know, now there's still a few trailers there, by the way, up higher. Yeah, I saw them yesterday. Yeah, the one we were in is gone. But I remember, every time I look up that hill, I think, man, the grace of God, it's so powerful. Do you remember the exact spot where ours was?

I mean, the exact spot. Is there nothing there? I might metal. There's nothing. I might see who owns it. See if I can metal detect it and find, you know, something I lost one of the kids. The first one, the first one you see up the hill, now is the one that was across the street from where we were.

Okay. It's still there, but the one where we were is not. We were kind of, the back of our trailer was toward the lake. I mean, if we, the problem with me, metal detecting it now is we didn't have anything. So there was nothing of value in the ground because we had nothing, as I recall. It would have to, it would have to be for somebody was there way before us. Yeah. We had little.

Of course, that's the place where Willie had broken his leg that year. And so the guy at the Chevrolet place, Dad, your old pal, he gave you a creeper for Willie to ride around. And he could lie out on it and put his hands on the floor. And he was just like a little crab. It was really a bad, bad injury. Which is why I meant him never got along because once I got him in a fixed position where he couldn't move, you know, I was just mean. kids can be mean. Well, I'm glad you all made your way, pull your way out of it.

That's all I can say. It's embarrassing. Even run back over. It's embarrassing. But I thought, well. Yeah, but it, as Al said, it toughen us up. And it does. It does.

Look, you can be difficult times can either destroy you or they can make you stronger. And when you look back, that's the decision you have. to make. Am I going to be a victim because I didn't have this, that, and the other and compare myself to other people, or am I going to say, you know what, God built something here that's strong now. Yeah. Well, right. And look, one of the answers to the question on why God allows pain and why do bad things

happen on the earth and all this, you realize that you appreciate the peace of God from all the worldly difficulties that happened. I mean, you wouldn't, you wouldn't have this understanding of what the peace of God offers. Well said. Without all this difficulty. It's wrapped around trials and tribulations. And that's, that's why it's difficult. Now, as amazing as it sounds, all of y'all, you live in mansions. That's right. Multiple mansions. Y'all don't even have one house. You got another house up the road. My mom was mentioned that the other day.

She's just like, you know, all my kids have more than one house. And I said, well, mom, so do you. It's just that ours are a little bit fancier than yours, but you've got a few multiple. Now, God is blessed us tremendously. And you know, Dad, I mean, the way I look at it, at least and I went through a really tough 15 years of marriage until we just finally broke. And then we got it going on in the right direction. I'd say the same thing about your life.

when some people have the potential to do great things for the kingdom, it takes a lot of getting there before, you know, the evil one working on before they're finally ready to submit. But when you submitted, all of our lives changed. So, I mean, I look back now and I think, you know, all the bad stuff I've dealt with with it's in my marriage or life or whatever, I realized it took that to get me to a breaking point until I was ready. And so I think that's the way people need to look at what they're going through. If the evil one's got a hold of you, look, all you got to do is.

submit to Christ and come out. And when you come out, you're capable of doing amazing. You can sure come out of it, no doubt. We all prove that. I think it comes into what we're talking about, you know, First Corinthians 8, which at a first glance, you wouldn't think this applies to today. But based on everything we just got through talking about, it wasn't that you ran upon a lot of information that all of a sudden,

change your direction. There was, what in the world? Well, they're having a drag race outside somewhere. Uh-oh. You get the redneck? Yeah, that's what it sounded like.

But it was more, you know, it reminds me of when Jesus was telling Thomas, you know, I'm preparing a place for you and they're like, well, we don't know the way, you know, give me the directions, give me the information. And he was like,

I am the way. and you know it's more who you know when it comes to getting your life turned in the right direction now you know in this case he says about food sacrifice to idols because not only did they have what we talked about the last couple of podcasts all these issues coming up in whatever kind of whether you were single or whether you were married or whether you was single again or a virgin or whatever information that of the day you were trying to apply to your marriage, like, well, we're going to be married, but we're not going to have sex. Well, you think about that, you know.

And so ultimately, Paul was getting it back to the big stuff. Jesus says, Lord, God, your father, the power of the Holy Spirit. And then you get that on straight, and then you make decisions moving forward in your relationships. But they had this situation now. where in the temple, and we're talking idols here, they were sacrificing animals. And so then somebody came up with the question, well, as followers of Jesus, we shouldn't be eating this food that was given to a pagan idol or sacrifice, right? Right.

Like it's tainted now, you know, because it was because of the nature of how it came to be. because they were taking the meat and then they were just taking down the meat market and selling it. But the Corinthians, especially the Greeks, I mean, they knew where this meat was coming from. Whereas, you know, it's funny, even looking back to us that capitalism was going strong because it was like, just because we sacrifice this meat to idols doesn't mean we can't sell it in the market. So it was just a flow of their economy. But then these people in their own conscience, they were thinking, well, wait a minute, we left, you know, offering up stuff to idols. so what about the meat? And he makes that shift there in verse one

because he says now about food sacrifice to idol. So to your point, he's now shifting to a new subject. And he's eventually going to say, there's nothing wrong with eating this food. However, since you have weaker members of the faith, you don't want to cause them to stumble. So just even though you have every right to eat this, because what are idols anyway?

They're not even real. And just because someone is bowing down to this and they're sacrificing food or, you know, meat, which could eat food. And God's already said multiple occasions, you know, when he had the, with Peter, arise, kill, and eat. Don't call something unclean that God has said, go for it. even though they had every right to do it, he actually said, don't do it in some situations, which I love because he gets this idea versus knowledge and love.

But I wanted to read the first three verses just because I think. Hang on, Jay's before you do that, let's take a break. So he said now about food, sacrifice to idols, we know that we all possess knowledge. Of course, my verse has a little letter there.

I'm going to have to get my glasses if I'm going to read the alternate. What else it says there? Does yours? Yeah, all it did was the alternative just left off. It just says we all possess knowledge, as you say. Oh, as you all know that. Yeah. And so then it says, but this was a big thing in their culture about wisdom.

And, you know, we started off the first couple chapters of, you know, where's the wise man? Where's the scholar? You remember all that we were in. So then it says knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. This reminds me of that, what was that guy? Rums failed when he said, what was that quote used to say all the time?

A man doesn't know. What was that quote? you don't remember that I don't remember that you can't know I'll look it up oh yeah I remember him talking about that yeah I'll find that

but then verse 3 says but the man who loves God now this this this this I think is an interesting phrase is known by God yeah

so thoughts why I looked this up and John John made that very point in 1. John 4. I've been reading this in all these of different me. Let us love one another, for love comes from God. And he's going to use the same terminology that the Apostle Paul did. This is John the Apostle. Everyone who loves has been born to God and knows God. Whoever does not love, does not know God. And you read

in 1 Corinthians 8, verse 3, but the man who loves God is known by God. Whoever does not love does not know God because God is love. So he makes that same point. John does that love, as it turns out, our love never fails.

you can't go wrong by being motivated, motivated by love for your neighbor. And little things are big things. If you love him from the heart and you love God, that's why they're the two greatest commands in the Bible, and you'll fulfill the law as far as eating, drinking, all that to work itself out. If you love God, then you love your neighbor. And it's amazing, but it is true.

It also shows you, Can I give this quote out? Yeah, yeah, give us. So Rumsfeld said, reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know, we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. Because they were grilling him about their military operations.

And he didn't want to say what he knew. So he basically just came up with a creative way of saying some things we know and some things we just don't know. But he said it so sophisticatedly. They just thought, wow. What did he just say? Yeah. He basically said, I don't want to tell you. what I know.

Yeah. Which instead of just, instead of saying that, he said, he had a philosophical approach. He just passed away, by the way, just a few months ago. But if you turn that text around the man who loves God, well, if you could say the man who does not love God is not known by God. You have to be a person that is recognized as reaching out and loving his neighbor in a real way. It can't be faked.

Loving God and loving your neighbor, the purpose of this book I just wrote, uncanceled, without love for God and love for your neighbor, they'll be canceling each other until Jesus comes back. But the only thing that would change it is that they love people instead of chastise them and hate them and try to bring them down and we got them.

It's a whole, our culture is just full of it. Well, what I was going to say, Phil, is, you know, love. It's sickening to watch. Love doesn't destroy when you think about the definition that he's going to get to. It always protects. It always trusts. You're quoting Romans 13.

Well, first Corinthians. Love does no harm to its neighbor. And by the way, Romans 14 deals with the same issue that Paul addressed here in First Corinthians. eight same thing about not passing judgment based on matters of you know what you eat based on what you just read it is a love issue as far as interacting with people who may say i don't like this i think it's wrong to eat that if you don't need to make a big issue and hatred flare up for your brother whether he eats this meat or that meat it's just not worth the it's not worth it

Well, I think he makes the contrast when he gets verse three of what you think you know versus does God know me. And I think that's a very important question to ask yourself. When you think of the question, if God knows me, what? You know, fill in the blank. If God knows me, what does that mean? you just think about it it's a it's a humbling thing if god really does know me that should send a shiver down your spine and i really believe that's his point he said the man who loves god is known by god just think if they created the universe and all his qualities you can list them they're a mile long

eternal just holy 100% pure all-knowing all-knowing all-sense seeing all powerful. If he knows me. Because when you think about the practical illustration of that, it's like we all know the president. He don't know us. We all, you know, there's been kings where they're, they're controlling the whole nation and whatever.

Everybody knows who the king is at some point, whether they even had the, you know, before the internet. Now, even now, I mean, you might find 10 people in the U.S. who don't know we have a president, but in their, I mean, my point is, but they don't know them. And this is different because that's why in John 10 when Jesus was like, he said, I know my sheep. I know their name. That's why he said, I know the numbers of hairs on their, on their head. That's the contrast here.

So I think. I think it's a depth. A depth is the way I see it, Jason, is that in other words, what triggers his knowing us like you're describing is our love for him. And so it'd be like you saying somebody you see out there in the public, maybe he's a performer or somebody. You say, man, I love that guy, meaning that you like their performance or maybe they're funny or something.

Now, you say that, but you don't really know them and you don't really love them. You just love what they do. Right. But if your wife comes and says and you say, I love her, that's a whole different, that's a whole different level. You really do know her and you really do love her and you do anything for her. And I think that's the difference. I mean, God has an awareness of all people. He says he wants all people to be saved.

So he has an awareness of everyone, but he only knows the ones who love it. Yeah. You sent a woman down here and we were carrying on the conversation. She was interviewing me for some magazine. And she said, I don't think. A Time magazine. She said, yeah, Time Magazine. She said, I don't think it's right to eat meat.

And I said, where did you get that information? And she said, not eating meat. I said, where did you get that? I said, from the Bible? Is it a biblical issue with you? She said, oh, no, I'm not a religious person at all. I just don't think it's right to eat meat. I said, well, I don't mind if you don't eat meat at all.

You're not eating meat doesn't bother me at all. I said, we eat duck gumbo, you know, and fried deer steak. I said, but unless you have some kind of source that's going to show me that it's dangerous or something, where did you get that information? She said, it's a good question. I don't know where I got it, but I ended up believing you shouldn't eat meat. Well, I told her to go to her. She asked me about a restaurant. I said, look, if you want to eat veggies only, I said, great.

I still love you, girl. So she leaves. And about a month later, we got a note. She sent it to Al. She said, tell you, Dad, I had Braised duck at that restaurant he recommended. And she put down there, Al, it was delicious. She did. So I didn't condemn her when she said, I don't.

think it's right for you to eat meat. You should just eat veggies. I said, well, I don't know where you got that source of information, but biblically speaking, our eyes kill and eat, God's pretty plain about it. I mean, that's a happy story. But in our, in our culture now, whatever the herd who thinks they're smarter than everybody, tell me about it. If you disagree with the information. Could they be called the cancel culture? Would you say it's like? Well, I mean, this thing that happened to Joe Rogan. Hang on, Jay's, let's take a break before you get it. I mean, I've never listened to Joe Rogan's podcast.

I've never listened to our podcast. I've never heard of him, whoever he is, but go ahead. I've heard of you, but, and I've heard of it. You heard of me or Joe Rogan? Well, I'm saying, I've never listened to a podcast. You said, I've never heard of him, but I've never listened to his podcast. I got you. Wasn't that a line, Jason wasn't that line from Tunesow and White, went over,

I, Clanton first heard Wyatt, he said, heard of you. Yeah. Well, that's, Al got my joke, Phil did. But what I was going to say is, this made me mad. Because I thought as a person who's part of a podcast, you know,

when I saw it somewhere, they were talking about this controversy. And they're like, oh, you know, there's people pulling out of Spotify, because Spotify, they exclusively have Joe Rogan podcast. I think he's the number one podcast in the world.

There's more people in the world. Yeah. So Spotify said, oh, we'll give you $100 million to just be on our podcast. So I mean, for us to have the rights of Joe Rogan's podcast. So all of a sudden there's controversy. People are bailing, you know, Neil Young said I'm out. So I was like, what happened here? So I did a little Google search.

I thought, boy, he must have really said something. based on my investigation, which was about maybe two minutes. So take that with what I'm giving it. In-depth reporter James. Yeah, this is a non-in-depth reporting based on what I gathered from multiple sources because they kind of all said the headline is last year he interviewed. And I'm making this word specifically. he interviewed two doctors about the coronavirus.

Now, granted, it says that they had controversial past and takes, but all he did was ask them some questions about the coronavirus, and so now people have deemed what they said, not what Joe Rogan said. They're answering the questions as doctors, medical doctors. Yeah, he got their opinion. And so he was. What's wrong with that? Well, he was, well, hang on.

getting to the smoking gun. He was under the impression that you could get multiple information sources and let people hear different takes from different doctors and then let people free citizens of this country make informed decisions on what they thought about the origin and the way to conduct themselves about matters around the coronavirus. So I thought, Seems fair to me. That's it. And they're like, nope. And that's when it hit me when I was reading this, First Corinthians 8.

I was like, people will take information. Whether it's right or wrong. And they will try to destroy people. Yeah. Which is what's happening to him. They said, no, we disagree because you're running a misinformation campaign. Same thing happened with Facebook, where they said, we don't like the information.

Well, this is all fine and dandy as long as we know 100% that the information that we're supporting is 100% accurate. But outside of God, the heaven above, I'm not sure anyone knows what is 100% flawless information. That's why you, therefore, the Apostle Paul in the book of Romans chapter 2, have no excuse none no excuse you who passed judgment on someone else like what you just described on the rogan show they all said we we got him on this one for whatever point you judge the other you are condemning yourself because you who passed judgment this is always true do the same things we're all we all like you said we all make mistakes and there's not a

but one group of writings that you could trust in and bet your life on. And that's what God says. Now, we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them, which they did to this guy, whoever he is, Logan, Rogan, yet do the same things? Do you think you will escape God's judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance, and patience? not realizing that God's kindness

leads you toward repentance because of your stubbornness, but because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath when His righteous judgment will be revealed because God's going to give to each person

according what he's done. You better shut up and let these minor things go and not be judging your neighbor. All right. So if I'm a fine. myself in a strange position, which is taken up for Joe Rogan, and I don't even know Joe Rogan. But I just think, this is ridiculous for a man. This is the way the news used to be where you have a situation come up.

You get multiple opinions and you let people figure out for themselves what they're going with. They're like, nope. So it's all of a sudden it's some kind of propaganda driven campaign by a group of people. where you can't even discuss the possibilities? What are we doing here? I thought this was America. Finding uncanceled, which God does for us, fortunately. Phil's pushing this book.

Well, it just happens to be, we didn't plan this, but I'm looking. Finding meaning and peace in a culture of accusations you just mentioned. some, shame, you just mentioned some, and condemnation. So they accuse you, they try to bring your life down to shame and try to rob you of whatever livelihood you have, won't you get you fired, get you to, and then they continue. And this is the way that you can ride right on through the whole thing with a smile on your face and you trust in the word of God. That you can trust in.

But anything else, you'll see what you just said. used to people would say, well, we agree to disagree and they'd move on. They wouldn't try to shame them and try to bring them down. Yeah, I was surprised. I really, I really was. I was surprised that I just kept thinking, this is it? That's what this is about. Al, had you seen that?

Well, Jay's, I had, let's take a break. I had seen it. And you know what's interesting even more, Jace, is Rogan, because he's responded now to all this you're talking about. he did an Instagram thing yesterday. Oh, really? And tell me. He's not, he's not, he's not really an idea log.

He never has been. In other words, he doesn't really choose a strong political side. At some point, somebody said he was a Bernie Sanders supporter. But he, he essentially, he's a lifelong entertainment person. Like, he used to be the host of Fear Factor for years. And then he got into the fighting, the mixed martial arts, all that stuff. He was like the main guy with all that. And then he just built up a follow.

And so you're right. He has a number one podcast, a lot of men, especially young men, follow him. And he just basically is an interviewer. I mean, he allows people to come on. They tell their side of whatever he's talking about. So when he did that after all this controversy yesterday, he was like, because now they're going to put a label. Anytime he talks about coronavirus, so their answer to all this was we'll put a label on the podcast that says contains controversial views or whatever. And so Rogan's like, yeah, whatever.

I mean, do whatever you need to do. You know, he said, hey, I'll try to invite some more people on that have opposing views to those guys. I mean, in other words, he's not really an analog. He's not really fighting for the First Amendment. I mean, people like us get more upset than he's got. Why don't we put a label on ours and just put this discussion may have eternal consequences? I like it. I think I would be first to seven.

Yeah, let her rip. We should just put a label, just to label ourselves of the... Well, I mean, my whole point is it's all about the source of information. I trust the source on what we're talking about, which is why a lot of us were canceled because we weren't, I guess, more fearful or in more panic when the coronavirus hit. I mean, we all just to try to help save those who are highly probable, like with preexisting health conditions or older or whatever. We all tried to safeguard just like we would in any other situation. But Jay, as we get the information.

But what I'm saying is none of us got in a corner and thought, oh, no, we could die. You could die every day of something. I mean, we're going to try to be loving and respectful. But that bothers other people because they're like, come, be fearful and panic with us and get on our narrative of information and attack people who don't agree with it. Jace, I just quoted a couple weeks ago we discussed it. I just quoted a Bible verse. and that cost us, according to Willie, $10 million.

Yeah. When they got after us, Al, it cost us 10 million. Well, it was the best 10 million you ever spent. Well, you know. But he was. Well, because the way it happened is my point. You quoted a verse, but he didn't know it was a verse. They published the verse, but they didn't know it was a verse.

And then finally, you know, a few days later, somebody said, he actually quoted a Bible verse. They're like, oh, okay. well let's forgive him then and so I mean really that's about the gist of what happened you know this is a perfect it's a perfect illustration of what we're talking about so so two to this the tale of two reporters one guy shows up from GQ and look jays you know this because you were in the room this guy came into that room with the intention of doing a hit piece on our family to try to topple the show and that's what he was after I mean there's no doubt he was trying to topple the show.

He was just trying to sell magazines for someone else. I mean, just being clear, I think he was just true. By the way, the audience may not know, Jace. I don't think he really cared. They may not know what was his question to you. A lot of people don't realize. Hang on. Well, I think we've talked about this.

Before we answer that, Jase, right now, if you go to this man's website, he identifies himself as the man who brought down Duck Dynasty. So what, I think it was a situation. That's just a liar. Actually, the ratings just went up, you know,

I mean. Yeah, but anyway. I'm saying, and I still have millions left. And we still went through our five years of contract. You know what I mean? So it wasn't.

Yeah. So here's my point. So I got a point. So this guy comes with whatever motives and it was bad. It was not a positive thing. We, nobody built a relationship with this guy. We felt like some of the stuff he said was totally unfair.

Some of it was straight up and they just didn't understand. So the woman that dad mentioned, I think she came. I don't know what her motives were, but she came with something in mind. But after she spent, because she was down there a couple of days, after she spent a couple of days talking to dad, she came away with the idea that, you know what, these people, they have a different lifestyle than most other people, but, you know, she admired us. And so when she wrote her piece for Time magazine, which isn't really just, you know, it's not like it's a right wing, you know, rag. She, she was very fair.

And she said, you know, they believe this. They believe that's a little bit different than mainstream. And I thought her piece was really fair. And then she even sends us that personal note. Like, you know, hey, I even tried some duck. So what I'm saying is look at the two. One got to know, Dad, and one didn't. One had an agenda.

And one said, I just came down here to listen and to hear what the man had to say. I think that's contextual exactly what we were. we're talking about in this text about you can not once you know things more clearly you have a better understanding of what you're talking about my only point is is when i've declared jesus is my lord i spent a lot of time in matthew mart luke and john since i was 14 seeing who the image of god is and on multiple occasions he healed diseases in the snap of a finger He brought back dead people from the ground. He cast demons out.

He calmed storms. I mean, he does all this. And then fast forward, 30-something years and a pandemic hits. And I'm like, they're saying, wear your mask. Get a vaccine so you can keep this from spreading. And we don't want people to die. Okay, I will. But for me to be fearful about getting that and dying,

No, the one I know or I'm known by in a personal way, he knows my name and he, you know, he's moved in through his spirit, has the power just to say, you're healed. So why am I going to fret about that? Why, you know, what, I'm not going to panic about that. So to me, that's what burns them up because it comes back to this knowledge on what you think you know versus love. God is love. He demonstrated it and he knows me on an intimate basis. I have full confidence that he's going to take care of me throughout eternity, not just on this life.

So I'm saying that is, to me, that is the difference what they don't understand on our attitude about it because I think it just burns them up. Well, he takes some who are younger. He takes them home when they're older, when they're in between, young and all, you say, if your faith is rooted in Jesus of Galilee, based on what you just said right there, I mean, physical death is coming for everybody. Some sooner, some later, but we all

finally pass on to the other side. And we are convinced life and immortality, we're alive without our body. We leave our tent, as Peter and Paul would say, we live in. We live in these temporary tense, we go to be with Jesus, the Lord. Our spirit, soul is alive, and he's coming back for our bodies one day, and here we go. So it's the greatest story I've ever read. Yeah. Now, what, let's hang on, Jess, let's take a break. But it's also, it's funny, Jason's right, that they're the ones that are misinformed because they don't know the information that we know, what, what you both just mentioned, which takes away your fear. So what they say is, these people, and they lump it all, they put us all in the same boat. Oh, these Trump

supporters, that's the way they demean you. They say, these Trump supporters and these people out here, they're just dumb. They don't know enough to be afraid. All right. I mean, they need to know more. And they, if they wouldn't believe in all this misinformation, they, and we're like, no, we actually know more than you because we're not fearful because we believe that a virus or anything else can't wipe us out. Well, and we pray to God about it, which gets a chuckle from them. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.

Where's the information in that? Well, I've never worn a mask, and I've never caught the disease as far as I could tell. Well, Phil, you're forgiven by them because you live in the middle of nowhere and you're not around people. Okay. But so you're good. Well, what I was going to say is, look, this all started about an issue that came up. which I'm not making light of it, but he was saying you could eat,

because you got to eat. And what are we going to do? Waste the food or you can make a lot of arguments about this. But a way more serious problem that the Galatians, that when Paul wrote to the Galatians, it's not even that ain't that's probably a mischaracterization. I mean, this was something where he started off the chapter saying, if you preach a gospel one contrary than what you received in Jesus, where's that at?

Let him be eternally condemned. Yeah, that was one, six, seven, and eight. I mean, because they were saying they turned Christianity into this kind of a nationalistic movement. If you're not circumcised, you're out. You know, there's no Jesus, grace. You have to take some of the law and add it to it. a physical thing here. And so he's just pounding them about trying to get their focus on Jesus and grace

and get off this physical way into a nationalistic movement. But I wanted to just read this because he says the same type of argument in Galatians three when he says, verse 26, you're all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus for all of you are baptized. or, you know, surrendered into Christ, have clothed yourself with Christ. You've put on Christ. And he says, there's neither Jew or Greek, slave and free, male or female, for you are all in Christ Jesus. And so then he starts talking about an air in chapter four.

In verse six, he brings up the spirit because you are sons. God sent the spirit of his son into our hearts and the spirit who calls out Father. So you're no longer a slave but a son. And since you are a son, God has made your heir. Well, here's what I want to get to. Verse 8 says, formerly, when you did not know God, you are slaves to those who by nature are not God. But now that you know God, and I just wanted to show you this one little phrase he puts in here, or rather are known by God.

his same point he's making in Romans 8 talking about loving God and then you're known by him, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? And I only bring this up to say the same thing to help us understand what he's saying in 1st Corinthians 8. He has promoted this relationship type of Christianity in all the letters. It's what makes us different from, it's not like we came up with some crazy information and turned into a cult and we got some creed that we're following with all these list of rules and things we should and shouldn't do. Because in one case in Galatians, he's like saying, this is out.

In this case in 1st Corinthians 8, he's actually saying, you know what, you could actually eat this food. But we don't, because we love our brother and because we're known by God, we're going to choose not to, even though our freedom is allowing us to do this. And that's what I think it's cool about what we're a part of in being sons and daughters of God and trying to share Jesus to a world who needs it. And that's why when he gets to the next paragraph, he kind of explains that. Watch how personal this gets about our relationship.

He's verse four. So then about eating food sacrifice to idols, we know that an idol was nothing at all in the world and that there's no God but one. For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many Lord's. Yet for us, there's but one God. And I love this, the Father, just like He said in Galatian, this is more than He's just some God. He's not like an idol to us. He's our father. This was his plan all along that would be sons and daughters. brothers and sisters, and some of us, husbands and wives. But then he says, yet for us there's but one God, the Father,

from whom all things came, and for whom we live. And there is but one Lord, which has been his point all along. He's a Savior in that he died for us and was resurrected for us, but he's also our Lord who we surrendered to, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. And did you notice how he interchanged the two there, Jay's? You know, there's a lot of argument out there about the Trinity and how Jesus fits in with the father and people try to separate them out. But he uses them interchangeably.

In other words, if you understand the father, you understand the son and both are the creators and both are the sustainers, which is very powerful. I mean, and that's what we know. I think it's kind of ironic that the next sentence is, verse seven, but not everyone. knows this. That's right. So, I mean, because you got to think these people, you just think about in our culture, when people say, oh, this is not going on today. Oh, there's so many freaky groups out there bowing down to idols and doing these weird things and we're making movies about it. And, you know, they do all that and they don't think that's dangerous. There are worshippers of Satan and they'll tell you that's who they worship. They're making one

Hollywood movie after another about some bunch of weirdos doing some kind of occult thing, worshipping something weird and being either cannibals or, I mean, there's just more crap out there on TV. And they're like, oh, no, that doesn't. Well, you're free to watch a movie and draw any opinion you want to. But you got a guy who's not even, he doesn't even have an agenda. And now I found myself in a weird place where I'm taking up for a guy. I don't even know just because he's like trying to get information out there where people can make health care decisions on, you know?

And they're like, oh, no, you can't do that. But I find myself, I find myself just chuckling when I watch them show a clip from the ladies on The View, Joey Behar, Whoopi Goldberg. I just chuckle. And I think, man, if they only knew what we knew. And I wish there was a way to get the knowledge to them. They would just quit, you know, cackling about all this stuff that they do. They just don't know. But they just knew, and I think that's why I asked that question.

What they need to ask the question is, does God know me? Is there a God? That's number one. Because that's a question everyone has to face. Is there a God, a creator that's evidenced by our creation, which would mean the information that he has provided for us, which this in a way is information. he crafted a Bible throughout history, all of that together, which means he would be the ultimate source

for quality information. And does he know me? Yeah, that's the key. Basically, read verse 9, be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom, you could eat anything, does not become a stumbling bark to the weak.

Well, he's eventually good point. Be aware of people, some of those stuff they get into you like well it's some things are not worth making a huge issue that's what we'll pick up on the next podcast uh we're out of time well and y'all see where i'm headed because once you ask that does god know me and then you realize that he knows me and he still loves me yeah that's what we're getting into the to what jesus is all about what he else we're out of time We are going to go over to our unashamed overtime session. And I got a question for Dad and Jay's about something they have discovered,

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