Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 429 | Phil Landed on a Cruise Ship & Jase and Willie's Value Menu Adventure

Episode Date: February 18, 2022

Al tells a funny story about one boat Phil did not want to be on, but he took the opportunity of a captive audience to preach the gospel. Jase shares a memory of a time he and Willie were boys and how they would pool their money to get the most bang for their buck out of a fast food value menu. Jase calls out churches for claiming their buildings are the "house of the Lord" and recalls a note left on a bathroom mirror from a young podcast fan named Jonathan. And Al talks about the fear of public speaking. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed Get Uncanceled by Phil Robertson, available now: https://www.amazon.com/Uncanceled-Finding-Meaning-Accusations-Condemnation/dp/1400230179 Get Uncanceled T-shirts and mugs you can get at https://PhilMerch.com - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I told you I went to Illinois this past week and really enjoyed it. You know, these guys, and it was a men's event, so it was really good. But we were doing our marriage retreat, which we've been doing for 22 years at WFR, which is pretty amazing. And so I was telling somebody's story because they asked me, because there's people now, you know, used to It started out. It was just our church. You know, people going, just taking a weekend, strengthen your marriage, strengthen

your family. And that's kind of the genesis of it. But now because of our podcast and because of our live stream that it goes all over the world. So we had people come in from everywhere. We were up in, you know, close to Hot Springs, Arkansas. But there was a couple there from Minnesota. There was a couple there from Michigan.

of North Carolina, from Florida, from Tennessee. I mean, these are, and some of them have been coming a while, but a bunch of these just came for the first time, which I always found fascinating because I was like, you know, I'm not much of them just taking off cross-country to go to something where I don't really know any of the people there, you know, except for seeing us. I mean, I just, I marvel at, you know,

the faith it takes to just take off someplace and go do something. This was really interesting. So I was talking to some of them, you know, that know us from the podcast, but I hadn't met them. And they asked, they said, well, does Phil or Jason, you know, your brothers ever come to a marriage retreat? And I said, well, it's funny you say that. Most of the everybody's busy doing their own thing. No, I went.

I know, you have. So I would say one year, everybody came because Dad was speaking that year. And this was years ago, one of the early ones. And, of course, we're also xenophobic about our food. You know, we don't like to eat a lot of food out. You know, we're just kind of like our own thing. That's the number one deterrent for any trip for me. It's because I said, what are they doing about the food?

Right. What are we going on? It's just like, oh, no, it'll be fine. I was like, I want to know a detailed description on where the food is coming. And we got that. That was lived in front of us by you, dear old dad, because you just weren't much on, you know, eating outside of Ms. Cays or you're cooking. And so we just, that's the way we all are. I mean, it's just.

One of the biggest arguments Missy and I ever got into was, you remember when we did that cruise thing? Oh, yeah. I was going to bring my fishing stuff. And she's like, you can't fish off of a cruise ship. And I'm like, why not? This is America. And if it's not, we're going to be on waters that are used by everyone. I'm fishing off that ship.

Some of the greatest fish you could ever eat or swimming around those ships. She's like, you cannot do that. I'm telling you. I'm like, well, let's try it. And she's like, why would you want to do that? I was like, because I don't know about the food. I want to have some means to catch my own food. And I said, if that ship goes down, I want to have something.

I'm grabbing one of my poles and perhaps a little flotation device. At least I would have something. I mean, I just don't like a plan where if. It all goes south, including the boat going down. Well, we just die. Give me something. I mean, you'd appreciate a hook and a line. What will we make it?

That's right. So the one year we all win, I don't know if you all, y'all probably don't remember this. So mom had like two ice chest, and she had like a honey baked ham in there, and then she had potato salad she had made and all these other things and a couple of pies. And so she took them in ice chest. And so mom and dad's room, every time all the marriage tree would go to the place to eat, we would all go to mom and dad's room. And it was you and Missy, Willie Corey, me and Lisa, and y'all. Well, then Word got started spreading through the ranks that we had secret food that mom brought.

So people started like following us. And so we were just like, they would be standing in the hall and we'd just close the door because we didn't have enough for everybody. I mean, it's like... Well, because look, I mean, I hate to say this, most places when they put on an event or something, and there's a large group of people... The bigger the amount of people, the harder it is to have... So they do things that are practical

and not necessarily good. Right. And so, you know, I got a problem with that. I'm like, if we're going to get together and do anything, the number one thing that's going to make this go smooth is what we're eating. That's right. That's going to make...

You're going to feel weight. better about discussing the points of your marriage if you're well fed and satisfied that's right not being spoiled it's just a fact of life right i agree this is it so you mentioned the cruise that was i hadn't thought about that in a while so we our family we got we asked us to do a cruise ship and we were the like the draw for the cruise and it of course is back on the show it it sold the whole boat sold out. 3,000 people. Yeah, in like five minutes.

Yeah, they were fans. So the thing was, but all of us had to do it. And, of course, so Willie comes to me, and he's like, well, I mean, we're all on board for this cruise, but I hear that Phil's not wanting to do it. And I said, well, you know, it's definitely not his thing. He said, well, we can't do it without him. And so they send me in, Dad, because, you know, the Phil whisperer is, you got to go talk to Dad and get him on board, or we're not able to do the deal.

So I go in and I'm telling Dad a little bit about it. He's just giving me the look, you know. And then you said, let me get this straight now. So we're going to get on a boat. We're going to sail off, you know, on the seas. I'm on the boat with 3,000 people. I can't get off the boat. I'm there.

Well, you could, but it probably wouldn't make it. It wouldn't be easy. This is your telling me. You said, why would a man do that? Why would I ever want to do that? And this is why they sent me, Dad. And I said, well, Dad, because every morning you're going to be leading a devotional shipwide and the people can't get off the boat. You're going to be able to, you know.

There's no escape. There's no escape. You're there. And you're actually surrounded by water. You're surrounded by water. I said, you're going to be. And you were like, you said, you looked at it and you pointed out. I like the sound of that.

Well, we all do mission trips. I mean, when I went to Greece, there was nothing about it that was appealing, especially with my claustrophobic tendencies. And you got sick on the ship, too. I get sick on ships. If I can't see the bank, something happened. If my memory serves me right, it worked because they were crowded into a location they couldn't leave. and I introduced Jesus no way out except through him.

And if I'm not mistaken, I think we baptized about 500. Hundreds of people. And it was amazing, Dad, because you were doing a Bible study at about 7.30 in the morning because they had all this other ship stuff all day. So this was an ad on. You were doing that 1,500 people were getting up at 6.30 in the morning to file in there to hear what you. you were doing. And then about after day two, somebody said, well, can we get baptized? I said, well, we're floating on the Caribbean. Now, there's a lot of water. I said, but we'll have to do it on

the ship. I said, I don't, you know, I guess we'll just do it. They had a pool. Yeah, and they had a series of pool. So we started having, like, baptisms. So at 10 a.m., we got baptisms at the Lido deck. And it started out with just dad. And then Larry was there. Larry's in the pool. Martin gets in the pool. I get in the pool. And we're baptizing hundreds of people. It was, It was quite the happening. Some of the preachers contacted me later. They wanted me to meet with them, so I go down there at about 30 or 40 of there. Yeah, they said, could you do a seminar?

You know, speaking. I said, you just heard one. That was the seminar. Isn't that typical about preachers, though? They always want to have some kind of workshop. Workshop. What just happened? Do you do seminars?

Because we just saw 500 people. Just do what I did. Just get up there and do what you heard. Workshops are actually sometimes just doing the work. That is the shop. Let's shop the work and then just get after. Which, by the way, and I learned on that from then on. Now I have me a little, it looks like a handle.

I carry it wherever I go. It's in my truck. And I got string. It's an emergency fishing kit. So it's just a stick with some string and it's a hook. So what's interesting, though, is when you try to take that through airport security, they said, what is that? It's an emergency fishing. That was from one of our sponsors.

Yeah, they said it. Oh, it's a great idea. Because you never know. I mean, don't underestimate the line and a hook, especially when you're hungry. Yeah. So we had a, so we're leaving the retreat yesterday and we had this young couple. that had come from North Carolina and their podcast listeners,

Michael and Malia. And so Lisa invited them to lunch. So we were going to stop, but we're in Arkansas. There's not much around where this thing is. So I'm driving with Sunday. This place is closed. That's not open.

The only place it was open is an hour wait. I had to get back and watch Super Bowl. And so we were like, I don't know what's here. So the only thing was open that I could find was the Taco Bell. So I pulled in. I pulled in.

That's when you needed to do some fasting. Yeah, it would have been a good day. But we had this couple we wanted to visit with them before they had it out. So he said, my wife said, are we really going to Taco Bell? And I was like, do you see anything else open? Well, they were closed because of the Super Bowl? I guess. I mean, there was nothing open.

It's a little old town. And so we ate at Taco Bell. Of course, I had already told me I was going to buy them a meal. I said, man, nothing but the best for y'all. Taco Bell. So I didn't know any of the stuff because I'm never eating there than I can recall. And so I don't know about any of the things. I didn't know what to order.

When Willie and I were teenagers, we had a little, we used to save all our money because since we're out in the country. Right. Going to town and eating at a restaurant was like, ooh. Which we never did growing up. So we would always do the value deals, you know, buy 10 tacos for, you know, $4 or whatever. say it, but back then it was about how much you could eat for as little money as possible. Jason Willie Dad would pull their money.

So they'd have like $11.20. And they'd pull it at the drive-thead. I was with them one time. I watched how they did it. So it was like, so they would order and they'd say, how much is that? Because now it's on the screen, but in the old age, the person I'd tell you. And they were like, uh, that's $8.30. Okay.

All right. So then we're going to get. What if we have four more tacos and this? How much is that? Well, that's 10.50. So you still had about... One of us would be counting all the coins down to the exact penny. So it was like, what can we get for 45 cents?

Where you can get a chalupa or a cinnamon stick. All right, we'll take that. So it was like, it spent right up to every cent they had. Whatever you had, you spend it all. And yet always... Then you'd say, okay, no something. drink, we'll make that a water, because back then they'd give that to you free. And you're like, you don't want to be wasting money.

You'll just drink water. Now, is that water coming out of the sink, or is there actually some water? Eating out with the rednecks. That's why I miss you. She cannot stand it. Every once in a while, I'll be in some situation like you were, and they're just, that everyone is getting restless, and they want to stop somewhere. it because I pack me an ice chest with all what I eat.

Right. But they're like, they don't want that. They just, just stop, just stop. So when I stop in there, I'm like, okay, she's telling me what she wants. And I'm like, did y'all brew this tea today? And they always, they're like, what kind of question is that? Why does that hang on? Let me check.

You should know this. You should know off the top of your head whether that tea that you have and that container. Well, first you've got to ask, is it brewed tea? because now they make this instance stuff that just you can't it's not fit for drinking but some of these people who are working there they don't even know the concept i'll say do you brew your tea and they're like let me check you got a job i'm like babas get out of here right if you have to check on whether the tea was rude you've been working there how long of course what's funny is one time i said how long you've been working there and the guy's like this is my first day and missy roll her i she thought now jace You get one of these customers, you know. I said, here's what I'm looking for. All I want to know is is the tea brewed. Was it brewed today?

That's all I need to know. Just answer those two questions because Missy's like, well, go ahead and give the rest of the order. I'm like, no, if those two, either one of those answers are no, we're not eating here. That's what I was trying to explain to her. She's like, why are you making that, why are you having this conversation? I'm like, because this is a deal breaker. Yeah, and let's take a break. So the guy, Michael, he had eaten in a Taco Bell,

so he was having to tell us what everything was. But then he said something that made me nervous because I'm fixing to be driving for three hours, and he said, yeah, they're saying that their little tagline is run for the border, but it should be run for the banjo, in the bathroom. And I was like, uh-oh, is this? You took it for the team there.

But I didn't have any problems. So I wanted to mention the Super Bowl. Did you get to watch the game? I watched like the second half. I was scouting for our next TV show episode, and so I got back for the second half. I was kind of, I was more excited about this one, probably going back to when the Saints were in a few years,

15 years ago, whenever that was. But I was disappointed, but then, you know, you don't really love anybody. I was pulling for Burrow, obviously. But then, like, there was some really, good stories like Andrew Whitworth is from here and we know him he's such a good guy he is he got man of the year in the NFL yeah so it was you're not you know you know you I was just hoping it was a good game I mean deep down I was rooting for burrow just because all the stuff with the

LSU and right but hey Whitworth that was that was awesome that was a great moment and we know his his uh you went school with his wife yeah you and Willie did I mean she's a she went school she's from out this way and so it was great So there were a lot of good stories. I even thought about Stafford. I mean, all those years he played in Detroit, and, you know, they didn't even make the playoffs, maybe one time. And he's always been a pretty decent quarterback.

I don't think they haven't been in the playoffs in years. Yeah. One year, I think they played the Cowboys in Los Angeles, that he was there. So it was kind of neat for him. It was kind of, there were some good stories involved. But I always enjoy the Super Bowl, watching the getting anybody together, watching the commercials and all that. It's pretty fun.

Oh, we just watched the game. Missy, she doesn't watch the commercials or the halftime show. Did you like the halftime show, Dad? That was a... We didn't watch it. I looked at the gyrations and I just said, I just want to watch... No, why do you do this? I mean, my wife, she's like, now look, we're just watching the game when I walked in.

I said, okay. So like when the commercial... She didn't watch the commercials? The commercials were pretty good. She didn't want to watch the commercials nor the halftime show. So, I mean, she turned it off during the halftime show. She's just like, because I guess ones in the past, I couldn't even remember why she was, she's like, I just don't, I want to watch the football game. They were all West Coast, well, I guess they weren't all West Coast rappers.

They kept saying West Coast rappers. Oh, well. But they were all rappers. So it was definitely nothing I'd ever heard of before. But I will say this, the people that were there seemed to enjoy it. But, you know, I never, it stayed on the whole time, even though we were talking, wasn't really paying too. Well, she doesn't watch that. Not my cup of tea.

Well, we just, she didn't want to watch it just because in the past, they've, you know, had wardrobe malfunctions and issues. She's just like, I don't even, you know, if I want to listen to the music, I'll put on some contemporary worship music. I had to turn it off a few years ago because, I mean, my grandkids were there. They love watching the game. And I don't know, it's two or three years ago. There was two women. They were the main thing. But, I mean, I mean, they're just, it was obscene.

They needed some more buttons. They needed some more buttons. They needed something. You know, out there literally pole dancing. So that's when I was kind of like, yeah. I'm kind of like, Dad, what's that to do with football? So, Dad, you mentioned before we started rolling that read that text you had from, was it First Timothy Five?

I thought it was really interesting what you said about that. Because our podcast, you know, is really reaching a lot of people. And I know everywhere I go, and it's young people, like a lot of young people are listening the podcast, which is awesome. I love that because, I mean, that's why we do what we do and talk about the Bible. But you found a verse. It's first Timothy four, the Apostle Paul talking to a young preacher, command and teach these things, verse 11. Don't let anyone look down on you because you're young.

But set an example for the believers in speech and life and love and faith and purity until I come. And this kind of stood out. I never had quite zeroed in on it. Devote yourselves to the public reading of scriptures to preaching and to teaching. I found that pretty amazing that what we are participating in at this moment is the public reading of scriptures. Two thousand years later, that's what we're doing right here. I never had got that. It kind of knocks out the concept that the preaching goes on.

only on Sunday mornings. He was told to devote himself all the time to the public reading of scripture. So I would say 2,000 years later, way in the computer world, what we're doing here is actually very biblical. Yeah. You know, you wait to Sunday morning to give a sermon, and then you don't show back up until a week later, four or five a month. month's quite a while and he wanted these scriptures to be known to the public

if they'd have had the internet they'd be doing what we're doing that's right I know every day I keep going awful sometimes we miss that but every church I meet with it seems like

I guess they don't listen to the podcast but every time I go there they're like oh I'm glad you came here to meet the Lord and they were saying yesterday you know I was like you know

I'm glad you came to the Lord's house. I was like, this is the Lord's house. We are the Lord's house. I know it. I'm thinking of all the verses. I'm not going to meet him. I know it. He's just changed locations, but we're meeting the Lord every day.

I mean, he's, the mystery of God and this is Christ is in you. When he says, devote yourself to the public reading of scripture, that means it's not, maybe you might go out down the street corner and say a few words. Get out there amongst the people. I think we're doing that right now. That's what we're doing. Yeah. We're devoting.

At a faster rate than he had. Yep. Exactly. No, I was going to say out at our bed and breakfast. I showed you this this morning because I got before the podcast. So this, I think a couple stayed there, but their son sent a note for them to put up on the mirror. And it was, this is what it says from a 13-year-old guy. I love your podcast.

it helps me a lot. I am Jonathan. Yes, yeah. It was on the mirror. I had one last week, according to Dan, the eunuch, because I don't read them. But he said, some guy said, Mr. Robertson, I dislike you. No, well, this was an actual letter. You're talking about social media.

Well, that happens. Which you don't even know. But what's fascinating about that, Jay, is so we don't listen to, to the podcast because we do the podcast. So I don't know how people get it. I mean, I know how to go find it. I'm saying, so I keep hearing people say, they'll say, I can't wait for my notification.

So I kept hearing notification, notification. About the fifth one, I said, tell me, what does that mean? Because I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't know what it means now. I know. So I was like, what is a, how are you notified? I understand what the word notification means. But so what happens?

tell me what happens. So he said, if you subscribe on YouTube is where he gets it, our podcast, or somebody else said another thing. So it like dings on their phone or their computer, new episode of Unashamed. Oh. And so what happened, which I think is fantastic. So they're like, I'm waiting to hear that notification, you know,

so I can dive into what you guys are talking about. Really technology has, I mean, just that we're doing things now. that you just wouldn't have thought as possible. You would get something on your phone saying, hey, this new episode is out. Right. So that means that four days a week, you know, all of our listeners who subscribe to these different places to listen or watch our podcast, four days a week, they're devoting themselves to us reading our devotion of the public scripture, you know, exactly what you're talking about.

So, I mean, it really is a practice, a daily practice of what we're talking about. You said, boy, baby and y'all get off the next day, they're still getting off. It just keeps going and going and gone. Well, for us, when we're not doing this, like Jay's is doing a TV show, dad's releasing a book, I'm speaking, I spoke, you know, four hours last week outside of that. So I have a few events coming up, too, that were postponed because of COVID. Because obviously I didn't want to do a bunch of events when I'm doing the podcast and the TV show and just living life. trying to live life.

Dan told me this morning, when you get up this morning, on Monday, at 6.30, you have an audience you pick to speak to over the Internet. So we got already 635 or 640. Sorry, let's move this up to 630 this afternoon. I'm like, okay. Get a slap to another hour. Well, let's see. Too late to go back to bed.

I just... I hate that happen, Dad. It's hard enough to get any sleep. It happens all the time. I know. It's just kind of sometimes you're going to get the information right. Let's take another break. Well, and I was going to add to that, what you read, the Great Commission, when we closed

out the book of Matthew a couple of months back, when Jesus said, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. In other words, nowhere else you're going to get anything, what you need except for me. Therefore, go and make disciples. Go. Go and make disciples. of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I've commanded you, and I'll always be with you. And so the idea is Christianity,

Jesus left here for us to go with it. Yep. Not to keep it or stay with it, to go. And even it was interesting because even the disciples, they missed it at first. I mean, they were so excited. It was so great and it was so popular in Jerusalem that they didn't want to go. And he tells, he tells us, tells them when he leaves in Acts 1-9, look, Judea, Samaria, and the earth. Plus, they were all just kind of hanging on while he was here. I'm going up to Jerusalem. I'm going to die, be being raised from the dead. He was telling them that, but none of them were running around really and hollering about that too much.

They're like, you know. But they didn't take off then and say, guess who I'm running with? Guess what he's fixing to do? No, they were sort of low key. Right. Once he left, and they all got to look at him post-resurrection, spent 40 days to say. I think that was the key statement. They were like, oh, wait a minute.

He can't die. That's when the effort speeded up. That's right. Well, because fear. Ordinary unschooled men out on the corner hollered publicly. That's what the Apostopal was telling him. I hate to say it, but fear is a major motivation with people. I mean, there are people literally scared to even be social.

Look how many people they reach stupid. Look how many people they reached without the Internet. Just think about it. You know, ship going here to there, you know, shipwrecks, I mean, all kind of stormy. That's what Paul had it rough. People laughed them all the time to put them in jail. Yeah. So you're talking about them.

And they still got it out. Yeah. Do you think about them? I mean, I think the number one thing. They gave their life for it. The number one thing for young people is the fear of not being accepted. And, you know, it's like that when you're, when you go public and you're, you're bold. I mean, we kind of laugh about it because we've been persecuted for years.

But a lot of people, that's a big deal. I mean, somebody, their image means everything special. in our social media world. And for you to buck the system, and I mean by the world standards, that's terrifying for people. And even back then, hey, they had the same, you know, everybody has that,

they want to be liked and they want to be accepted, and they sure don't want to buck the system if it means you being put in jail. Almost every time they do a poll that says, what's your number one fear? Almost every time that's done, the number one fear is, speaking in public.

Yeah. To stand in front of an audience and speak or to be in a situation where you speak out. The canceled culture crowd is nothing but corrupt attention seekers. Right. But to their credit, they figured out what moves the needle. Yep. If you, because people are terrified of being persecuted or made fun of or being canceled. That's right.

You would think that wouldn't work. I mean, because somebody like me, I'm too far gone. I'm like, oh, go ahead. Counsel me. I remember seeing one, when you that poll, same poll, and they'll do it every few years, but it came out. It was in the 90s when Seinfeld was doing the show. And he had a bit on there. The number one fear was fear of public speaking.

The number two fear was death. And so Seinfeld said, so if you're at a funeral, most people would rather be in the casket than speaking at a funeral. And there's... I was like that for the first 17, 18 years. in my life. I mean, I didn't want to say anything out loud. I don't know. I just didn't want to, I'm shy. But I think that's one of the draw has been to us is because we seem fearless because we're not afraid to talk about it in any setting. Well, I mean, we're talking dead people coming from the from the ground. Right. I mean, I'm like, I had the same thought as Jesus's closest disciples as I was

researching this for myself, whether I, you know, trying to get to know who Jesus was. I remember thinking to myself, are you kidding me? When he said, look at my hands and my feet, that was a noticeable passage. I remember in the early days when I was trying to find, you know, the truth. I just thought, this guy was dead. And he was like, look at my hands and my feet. I mean, look, it's I myself. I'm not a ghost.

I remember whenever, as you were still in high school, in the early 80s, whenever dad was getting asked to go speak to a lot of D-U banquets and things like that. And, you know, you're just building the public persona of Duck Commander trying to get our business off the ground. And, you know, most of those are fundraisers. And so people are drinking. And you'd kind of just turn into a drunk fest most of the time. And so you would get up to the Duck College demonstration, but you just weren't comfortable there because you had left that life. That's right.

And you weren't getting to talk about what you really wanted to talk about. So you kind of moved away from that. And I'll never forget the first time I remember hearing you publicly talk about Jesus was we were in the Superdome. Yep. And you were standing underneath the big Budweiser sign because they were sponsoring the event. And you said, and you had about three or four hundred people listened to you. You went through your duck call demonstration. They loved it.

You did the high ball and then, you know, it doesn't sound like that. And at the end, you pulled out your Bible. And you said, oh, Anheuser-Busch. I mean, he really is the king of beers. I used to drink him back in the day, but I quit all that. And then you started talking about the king of kings. It got real quiet. It got quiet.

I'm sure your sponsors really got quiet. I gave all this up, boys. All these guys are drinking. Well, all of a sudden, everybody puts their beer down. They're like putting it under their chair because, I mean, it just like, you know, it was a showstopper now. What was the gig we went to? and they were flying us around or whatever.

Yeah, it was one of our big spots. Went to a casino. Yep. Went to a casino. It was a party. But, boy. You shut the party, yeah. I never seen a party, died.

That was more recent and everybody knew you. But what got me about the one in New Orleans is you had never done any. I mean, it was a bold step for you because you were there for your business, but you just went all in on Jesus. And when you walked offstage, old Dubasson, who was the guy down there, I never forget, because I was just a, you know, I was just a 20 year old

person myself, so I was right out of the world with myself. And he said, Phil, you can't do that. You can't do that. And you were like, do what? He said, you can't mix in your business and your religion. You lose both. That was his take on it.

But then you told him, he said, Dubason, did you not hear what I said? You're not listening because I talked about dead men coming out of the ground. I talked about sins being removed at the cross. I talked about living for eternity. You said, I have to talk about that. And it was really interesting because in my mind as a young man, what that meant was as we go forward with this business or anything else,

Jesus is always going to be number one. So you instill that, you know, which was a good thing. By the way, Al, that paid rich dividends in more one way. That's right. Four ways and one. Exactly. But that's what was so hypocritical. I mean, even in the, when we did our little show, we were just wanting to be ourselves.

And, of course, you know, we were in for a rude awakening that they had an agenda that they wanted us to, like, perform under. But we kept saying, well, if God is for this, you know, it'll work. If we stay true to ourselves, it'll work. We can reproduce it. And, but the more research I did. And we talked about this one day about Hollywood. You know the top 30 grossing movies of all time? None of them are rated are.

Yep. up, but then when you just kind of look at the facts, I mean, don't you find that incredible? The top 30 movies, gross money makers, they were either PG or PG-13. Which tells you that the whole other thing was more about agenda than it was about making money. So I'm saying, it doesn't make sense. Why are you trying to, you know, to change that? I mean, if something's good, even if it's putting its faith in trust in God, which then you get the qualities, which are PG, G.

Right. I mean, they're actually, gee, God, but, you know. And you want to represent that to the culture, and they're like, oh, that don't have a word. You got to dirty it up, you know, to be funny. It's impossible to be funny without being dirty. Right. That's kind of the mindset that we ran into. But it was really kind of our last discussion on the last podcast.

When the evil one convinces you to choose to, what was. your phrase you set apart in your heart some pathway then that's the idea so if he's going to take over some institution and it's going to start putting out filth and something dirty that's the that's who's behind it it's not even the people pulling the levers because that doesn't even make any sense yep you're not making as much money people don't even want to see that so weird we're like we we think it's funny when we make fun of each other but see they're looking at it from like well you can't make fun of each other because you want to be sensitive to feelings but we're like well if you have the big picture on place which is that we're all going

to live forever and that we're all flawed we make fun of each other you think about what we did on our show that is where the humor comes from and we do it on here we do it on here too i mean i've we throw each other on my brother's idiot you do something stupid guess what you did something stupid we laugh and but nobody's over in a corner saying oh no my brother called me stupid i don't know I can do that. You hurt my feelings. Words hurt. Yeah, we do dumb things, but we all know we love each other because the love is such a greater foundation, this unconditional love.

You start trying to define unconditional love. Nothing you can do is going to stop us from loving each other. That's right. So if that's the basis, yeah, and we're going to mess up. Right. So why not have fun with it on the way? No, I think you're exactly right. And I think that was a big appeal about the way we are because, I mean, I would joke about Jace or Willie or Jeff or in my brothers or even now Phyllis.

She's new, but the same thing. I mean, I, but if someone attacked them, like was seriously attacking them, whether it was their character or whatever, I would be the first defender. So because the love, the unconditional love is there. We grew up with that. I mean, that's right. I always protects. Exactly. You'd protect them.

Right. But you're right. That's the whole idea behind the woke stuff, Jay, is that that's where people land, you know, in that world, which is terrible. You know, it's all about, you know, you hurt my feelings. And then you get into, you got to throw freedom of speech out the window. Right. Because you don't want to ever offend someone or say something. I mean, it's just like, well, what is the list of things we can talk about and make fun of and be, you know, be fun.

Right. I have comedy. Well, the list is getting shorter and shorter by the day. They're pretty much putting comedy out of business because, you know, nobody knows what they get. Our differences, we're all different. Yeah. And that's kind of what we make fun of. And as we realize that we're all part of the human race, but they're like, nope, you can't do that because people get their feelings hurt.

Right. And we're sending them into trauma. Yeah, start changing the names, the sports teams. It just never ends. First thing I did when I came to Jesus and heard the gospel, my feelings were hurt. And they needed to be, didn't it? Repentance time. Uh-oh.

Somebody, I think it was Ryan Lee said at our marriage retreat this weekend. He said something that was really good. He said, because he was talking about, you know, doing things that are uncomfortable. And he said, you know, but I want you to look back at your life. When did you ever grow when it wasn't uncomfortable? And that was a great thought because you rarely grow in moments of comfort. You usually grow when you're uncomfortable. I mean, whatever the growth is, whatever the means is.

It's the ones whose feelings are never hurt that they don't come to repentance. You have to have hurt feelings to do that. Right. And what am I doing here? You've got to have brave people being willing to stand up. And call it out. Yeah. And be practical about it.

You talked about that with parenting. I mean, that's the ultimate. in boldness is to tell your child who you're seeing go down a bad path, whoa, whoa, whoa, uh-uh, we're not doing that. That's not the way we act. That's not our way. With the way technology is now, everybody goes to their rooms, give them a device, and they live in fantasy world, even the parents.

Yep. And there's no interaction. There's no uncomfortable conversations and no awkward moments. And, I mean, what you want to have happen is just have the conversation. Yep. So to do that, you, I mean, one of the most novel ideas we had from doing the show was that, why don't we get together and just show what we do on a daily basis and have a meal gathering around the table? What was so crazy is the production people, their response to that was like, oh, this is revolutionary.

We're actually, I mean, we're going back to something not seen since the Walton's here. we're going to show with a TV world this is history yeah i mean let's get on the cutting edge ground we have an idea let's have the family gather around together not in separate rooms not scattered and eat and talk without phones having conversation thank god for the food oh bob this is revolutionary what if people i mean this this could be groundbreaking you were the That's why they were acting. I was thinking, because they said, how often do y'all do this? Phil said, what?

How often do you do what? They were like, gather around this table. Where did you get this table? They were even looking at the size of the table. It's like, who has a table this day? This is what we do every day. We eat a meal. Now, we may not all get together.

We may actually do this autonomously in our own individual homes. we get together. But that's where you have these conversations. Let's take a break. No, I described it, Jay's, and it's not just where we were when the show was being made. That dinner table was the way we grew up. So people asked me all the time, well, the things y'all do on the show, you know, was all that stuff was happening in real time.

I said, well, some of it was, but a lot of it was stuff that we grew up to it. And we got to retell the stories as adults. But trust me, and back in the day, it was a roundtable. You remember it was a round table with a bar going down the side of it where the phone was. And so it was a pecking order of even how everybody sat at the table. Mom sat closest to the stove where she'd get the food over there. Granny said it against to her. And it was Paul.

Then it was you. And then it was me. And then went Jason down the line. And that was the way we lived. Everything important that we learned. We pretty much learned at the dinner table. When the further in you were, that's when you got into the, pieces of the chicken.

That's right. Because there was a pagan order on the food, too. It was what was left. You know, it's simplistic, but you say most family structures, they don't take the time and don't have the wherewithal to go in there and eat a meal together. Right. Now, Jay's described, you remember we had Adam Carolla on the podcast, and he talked about that? Yep.

He talked about, he said, you know, my kids get home, I never see them again. Everybody's in a different room. And he was describing what probably most homes in America are like now. Well, you've got to be intentional. I mean, you're not going to, it's not going to happen. I mean, you have to, I think as a spiritual leader of your family, you got to go in there and have these family service announcements, which, I mean, here's what we're doing.

Yeah. And they're, oh, okay, okay. And so whether it be, you know, turning your phones off or having a station, I mean, all the things, I just look at all the things we've done. Because technology is catching up. So, I mean, it's such a pivotal part of our lives. I mean, I saw the other day, my son ironically was telling me that. Now Amazon's coming up with these stores to where you just go shop.

And there are no checkouts. They know, it's some kind of subscription thing. They have monitors that, that are making, they're able to scan your product from a distance. So whatever is in your bugger. So you don't even have to run it across the scanner. No, you don't even run across the scanner. You go in the store, pile your buggy up and leave, and they send you a bill.

I was like, what? What are we doing here? That's going to work. That's what they're going to do. That's what he was telling. Well, I've been seeing some of that happening in big cities, but it wasn't Amazon. It was CBS and Walgrey. For me, a country boy who spends most of his time outside, I was like, mine blown.

But I liked it because it saves time. Yeah. Which anything that saves you time becomes a valuable commodity in the culture. Well, Dan, I don't know when's the last time you've been to Walmart? A decade. Well, they have a totally different system. They have a thousand people in there, and then they have two checkout people. That's right.

By design. That's right. You're like, well, I would go check out and leave, but you look up there and like, oh, I'd have to wait 30 minutes in there. So let me go get some more stuff. Or let me just go get another buggy. You see people, they're hauling two buggy. You're like, why? They're trapped.

You can't get out. So, I don't have you noticed this. So now, because the pandemic, so people got used to, they go online and they order their food, what they want. And so now when you go into Walmart or neighborhood warrants, there's a, there's all these big blue. things in the way. I can't hardly walk around. And it's people that work for them putting food in these big buggies. And then they bag it up and they take it out. Somebody just drives up until they get on the computer. Here's what I want. The guy gets it at the store. He loads it up in this big huge buggy that's all over the store. And then he goes and puts it in your car. And so that's

another thing that's kind of come out of the pandemic. But the bad thing is, Jay's right. You can't hard just to go shop as a normal person. I'm walking. I can't get around the people who are delivering to all the people out in the cars or I can't get checked out. And you're wondering why I don't go shopping. Well, that's why I wondered if you were doing a lot of shopping. You know, you got Dan, right? You send Dan. That's what, that's what Dan is doing when you're sending him in. That's right. That's what he's navigating. That's what we did. We said, Dan, go get a sister, and that, nothing. He'll take out. So you're bypassing the internet. You just got Dan. But I need the Dan, I guess.

Exactly. What did this have to do with first grade? Well, we never got to first grade. We went on a rabbit. This was the rabbit that ran and ram. But, well, I just, I was going to make a point about when people see us have this meal, I think that's what we were talking about. I was talking about how much.

Oh, that's how I was going to tie it. Like on trips. Well, yeah. When you go on trips, I'm like, what do we? we eating but here we have this meal that's symbolic that that we do like where we all meet that we do it once a week on the first day of the week on Sunday morning we you know you have the cracker and the juice which the Corinthians were had missed the point they were getting hung up on the actual meal rather than what it represented right is where we were going to go

with that right and we ran out of time um but we'll at least introduce it. That way we can talk about next time. Because out of that, remember he told, we went into that first part of chapter 10 where he's like given the warnings from Israel's history. But then he made the point that you made. I think the key verses no temptation has seized you except what is common demand, but God is faithful.

He will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. So he's like, you don't have to give in to this thing you said in your heart. You don't have to do that. He's given you the strength to say, no, I don't want to do that. So then he comes back and says, therefore, flee from idolatry. And that really becomes the whole thing that will get into it, because then he makes the comparison about the feast of idols versus the feast that we know is being the Lord's Supper, which he's going to talk about later in chapter 11.

Some individuals, they thought when he said, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, if you have no part of me. And they're like, I don't know, he's in cannibalism day. Yeah, that's been a big thing. Well, and he explains that in verse 6th, I mean, we can read it. It says, is not the cup of Thanksgiving for which we give thanks our participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break our participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we who are many are one body for we all partake of the one loaf.

It's a dual meaning. Yes, you think about the body of Christ when you take. take that that was broken for our sins and you think about the blood running down out of his body on the cross that saves us but it also represents that we're all members of one body of which he is the head right and in a world back then and now that people are so sensitive and they get their feelings heard and we bring all our differences together at the foot of the cross and we participate in this meal together was his idea And then he's going to get down to the end and say, look, if you're doing something that you're free to do that may offend your brother or sister, I mean, don't do it just for the sake of the bigger pitcher, even though they're being way too sensitive.

Right. And I think that's a good model for us even in our world. It's hard to because you want to just say, hey, put your big boy pants on and quit acting like a weenie. Right. But, you know, but I mean, there is something to be said about overlooking that for the sake of the kingdom and waiting for people to grow up in Christ. Yeah, and putting it in the proper perspective in place. All right, we're out of time. In the overtime, we'll talk a little bit more about the supper, sort of the meaning it was then and also what we do now.

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