Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 431 | Jase Teaches His Sister How to Shoot & How Phyllis Opened Her First Bank Account at Age 9

Episode Date: February 21, 2022

Phyllis loves to hunt with her dad and brothers, but Jase noticed something was off about her aim. Phyllis shares a story about opening her own bank account at age 9 and surprising everyone, and Al tells a great story about Steven Tyler. Jase describes the way Jesus takes people's messes and turns them into messages, and Phyllis becomes an artist overnight and already sold her first painting! Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed Get Uncanceled by Phil Robertson, available now: https://www.amazon.com/Uncanceled-Finding-Meaning-Accusations-Condemnation/dp/1400230179 Visit https://PatriotMobile.com/PHIL or call 972-PATRIOT and get free activation with the code: PHIL - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, yeah, we're super excited. I don't know when's the last time we had you own, but we have Phyllis own. I don't know. Sister. And it's been a while. It's been a while. Oh, wait. Phil. Phyllis.

Is this the first time that's dawning on you? Tell us you got to remember, if I'm not quoting the scripture or doing a duck call seminar, pay very little attention. what I'm saying. A lot of people have made that correlation. We've been ignoring it for years, fellas. I was our old buddy McIntosh. He said that. He said, I noticed something about you.

I was like, what's that? He's like, if you're not quoting scripture or telling somebody out of blow a duck call, don't pay any attention to what you're saying. And Mac listens to the podcast. So thank you, McIntosh. That was really good advice. I hadn't heard that before.

Ouch. That hurt. It was like the time the preacher told me, he's like, man, it must be nice to have, you know, all your family is the leadership at your church. So you get to work at that church your whole life. And I was like, was that an insult? Are you saying I'm a product of nepotism? They came to me one time a couple years ago and said, no, what? No, when are you going to take a leadership role here?

I said, never. Too many Robertsons around. I had been working at the church about seven years maybe, and this little lady came up to me, and she said, son, when are you going to get a job? I was like, well, I thought I had one. I'm working for the church. And she said, no, I mean a real job. So whatever I was doing, she didn't think that was, you know, real work. Yeah.

Well, look, Al, I mean, we were talking my last podcast, Phyllis, about. the roles of men and women and, you know, First Corinthians 11. And they had this idea of praying in their culture. I'm not sure what all the details were. I don't know, I'm not even sure if we covered it. What their custom. We didn't get into that, but that's interesting. Because there were coverings, you know.

But once the interesting Jays, we didn't get into this. But there were also coverings for men in Jewish culture. They had the shaws and they, you know, they had a name for them. So there was a lot going to be. going on in terms of the shaws and the coverings and all that. So we dealt with it more in a macro level where it was people out of their role as a woman or a man. So what I was going to say, fast forward to our culture 2,000 years later, which we made the point that the important point was that are you embracing the role God has given you for existence here?

And but I preached the sermon at WFR one time. And this little old lady came up. She's like, wasn't a bad sermon. I was thinking, okay, I'll take it. She said, but you're going to have a lot of explaining to do when you stand before God because you were wearing a hat while you were talking indoors while delivering the holy sacred scriptures. And I thought, oh boy. You got some splaining to do that.

I mean, that was like a judgment seat conversation. I mean, that's how strongly people feel about headcount. And she felt strongly about it, but we made the point of, I told her, I said, well, here's the deal. If I hadn't had that hat on, I wouldn't have been able to read. Oh, the glare of the lights? No, just because the hair's down in my face. She takes the hat off. It's quite the scene.

Yeah, I've seen it before. And so then they say, in all of that, and all of this. Okay. So don't worry. Don't worry. Jesus Christ is talking the Savior of the world, who made us all man and woman. I'm not reading yet. I'm just giving this comment first.

So do not worry saying, what shall we eat? What shall we drink? Or what shall we wear? For the pagans run after all these things. What shall we wear? He said, don't worry about that. The moral of the story is, Phil, you're definitely not a pagan. That's good news.

Well, as we're trying to help me. So when I say I don't worry about it, I really don't. No, we got that. The clothes that I wear. I'm quoting the words. You're not really giving us new news, Dan. We pretty much figured that out. I'm just saying in lieu of reading 1 Corinthians 11, you may, and that's why he ended up

said, look, don't be contentious about all this. If you're a man, look like one. If you're a woman, you should look like one and behave like one. There's a difference. A great difference. I've actually used that because when people have confronted me over the way I look on an outward appearance, I've said, well, here's the positive. Look at my dad and my uncle could be worse.

Generation by generation, it's getting better. I've seen your boys. It's like the time I was walking the airport, and Dad and Sire were ahead of me about 20 feet, you know, and I was because I had gotten to something to drink at Starbucks. So they were walking ahead, and as they walked by and there was a woman and her daughter standing there, so by the time I got there, the daughter is commenting about the two of them, and she said, Mom, look at those poor men. What do you think having? What happened? Willie would drinking a cup of coffee just paid $3 for her, and they walked by. they dropped some money over in his coffee cup because they thought he was...

But the coffee in it. Chase was there. That was, hey, we were looking at the money down in his coffin. He said, because they felt sorry for him. He said, Boris Holt. There was Willie there, I, me, and they're looking at the road. You know what we were doing? That was in New York.

We were actually talking to a network about possibly doing a duck reality show. Yeah. And they said, yeah. And someone thought he was homeless, you know, on the way. Well, everybody's walking fast in New York. They see a cup out. They just got the visual. Saw the beard.

Blop, blop. At least people are still generous and giving and caring. That's good. Take it as a positive. Yeah. You know, it was like when Jay's got kicked out of the Trump. He came in and we were all laughing. Well, the technical war was I was escorted out nicely.

So we were laughing about it because we were like, well, look at yourself. Of course somebody's going to escort you out. I mean, it's just a wonder they even let you stay here. Well, that was the biggest thing. is when the trunks were trying to make it right, they were like, I mean, we're going to fire that guy, and we'll take care of that. I was like, well, don't fire him.

I mean, he was doing it. If I saw myself in an establishment where it was pretty clear that I don't belong. Well, he did it so professionally and quietly, and I felt actually pretty good about the extraction. But you know, it's really funny, because one night we were the same hotel, because this is where we usually stay.

Stephen Tyler was in there and he had I'll never forget it because he told dad he said yeah I use your duck on which was surreal Stephen Tyler but he had

he was wearing these weird looking pants and flip flops and he had a little small dog and a pizza and so we were having this little mini conversation with Stephen Tyler and I was like

you know this is just almost I don't take pictures much but this is picture worthy here if I'd have had a picture. Sounds like it. So, I looked around and so where's the cameras? It was a potential show. So Phyllis, you haven't been on a while.

You've been working, working hard, right? And, but one of the things that will tell us about, so I understand now you're an artist, so you're married to an artist, but now you're dabbling? Are you dabbling? I'm dabbling. I thought, well, you know, when I'm off,

the movies won't watch themselves, and there's always stuff to do. but eventually, you know, I wanted to do something else. And I really don't have any hobbies to speak of, I guess. Hunting season. Yeah, hunting season. I like to hunt and I was doing that. Otherwise, Tony's painting all the time.

So I said, you know, I want to paint something. I just want to have canvas and some paints. And so he gave me some tutorials and some basic principles of art and showed me how to mix colors. And I thought, I'm going to paint something. So were you good at listening to him about it? Did you, because you're not too good at like, You like to be in control.

I told him how I was going to do some things. He's like, no. And then he's later, he's like, I'm just flabbergasted that you can, I've been doing this 40 years. I have a degree in it, a master's degree in it. He's pretty good. He's very good. And he's like, you just think you're just going to approach this and do it the way you want to. And I'm like, yeah, that's how I'm going to do it.

So once more, she proves her Robertson DNA. Well, and art is subjective. It is. There's been people who just took some paint and threw it up against the wall. about three different cans of it, and they said, Amazing. That's what some of it looks at. Abstract art.

So I would say that what I did was abstract, but I wanted to paint a cross. So I started painting this cross, and I started to kind of think about, you know, Isaiah 53 and what the cross represents and how Jesus bore shame, guilt, sin, illness. And it's kind of messy. So it's clearly the shape of a cross,

and I put colors in it and lines. just messy, a little messy, and named it Isaiah 53. And Tony's like, I think it's great for abstract art. He put it on his website. And we got a call or message. Tonythomasart.com. There you go. A little commercial.

Shameless plug. Shameless plug. So interestingly, this messianic Jew, a lady saw this Isaiah 53, and that's an important scripture for them. Yeah. And she saw it and messaged Tony and said, I want to buy this art. artwork. So I sold that cross, the original. You sold your first art piece. I sold my first art piece this week. So that's very interesting. Yeah. So now Tony said, I'm going to put it on. So was Tony jealous

that you saw your first? He was so excited. He loved it. No, he loves the idea of it. It's what's weird is every time I've tried to get Missy, we just try to do something, something together outside of our kids or Jesus. It just doesn't work. It's not a happy ending. We have, we have fun. We've worked together a lot. We at a children's home in Natchez, as house parents, we work together on the mission field. So we've actually done a lot of work together. I need some pointers, like the top three things to get you and your spouse to just do something together, I guess. Especially when we have different personnel. That may be why.

I'm a little bit more, like you said, a little more headstrong, kind of do it my way kind of thing. And Tony's much more flexible peacemaker. You know, that's helpful. Give him the credit. Every time I see you're behind the wheel or your car, that means you don't, that tells me you guys control issues. You don't want anybody else driving. Well, he drove all the way to Kansas a couple weeks ago when we went there

and most of the way back. So that was, yeah. So you're loosening it up a little. And he was willing to, you know, so yeah, yeah. The reason why most always is he doesn't get car sick and I do. And he can get the hot spot working on his laptop and he can sit there and do work for hours in the car and what can I do but DJ work the radio you know it's genetic Robertson's all we all have that so if I'm gonna if he's able to be productive I can drive at least have something to do and

he can work that's usually the reason behind it if I start trying to read or write in a car I start getting queasy yeah too I mean all the times when I was a kid we used to have to we first moved down here dad was still hunting where he hunted you know up in Arkansas so So we would drive that from here. So you're talking about having to leave out of here at 2.30 in the morning. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was a long drive. Well, I would get car sick every time I went hunting.

And so we'd stop what is now the honey hole. It used to be a little 7-Eleven. Oh, I remember. We would stop there to get some snacks. I would go out behind the 7-Eleven and throw up. But I never would tell Dad because I didn't want to get weeded out. Oh, wow. So I never said a word.

Let me tell you how that situation evolved as you got older. So, yep, I threw up in the car, in the truck, whatever we were in. So then Phil would be like getting a back place you got to throw up. Back then you keep riding the back of the truck. Right. It was like. Wear a jacket. So I just actually I didn't get as sick in the back.

It was better with open air. So I was happy. I rode the back of a truck from Louisiana to Missouri when I was a kid all the way. I think it's actually illegal now. Oh, I'm sure it is. Probably some form of child abuse. Oh, it's, you know, and everybody gets so bent out of shape. Like, even just my kids are like, you don't even go to the driveway without having the seats.

Everybody's got to be locked down, buttoned down tight. I mean, I'm all for safety. And I'm for safety, but at the same time, I'm like, you know, I'm just going to Jay's house. I mean, it's like, we really need the full. I mean, look, I would say I rode as much in the back of a truck as a kid as I did inside. Oh, much more. Yeah. Or on the, mom had a, mom had an old Ford with a big old back deck almost under the back window.

It had a, enough where a kid could lay on it. So if we weren't anywhere at night, I would lay back there watching the stars, you know. It was a big time. Yeah, I actually enjoyed it. We didn't have a lot of entertainment. The bar was low. The bar was low. Let's take a break.

So, Phyllis, so I want you to, so you did your first testimony, speech. I did kind of since you've found out who your family is and so I want to talk about that and kind of give your perspective of how you think it went because you spoke and you were in Missouri

Kansas. Are you nervous? I was nervous. Tony and I've done, you know, we've spoken at churches for missions work especially for Nicaragua but other countries we've done

short-term trips and usually he takes the lead on all of that but I'm there and I've spoken some but this was me by myself in a church, their Sunday morning, two services. Oh, wow. Were you wearing camo?

I was not. I wore camo. I just asked that rambling, but sometimes they ask for can't, you know, if you wear your camo on my question. That didn't come up. I wore camo the day before because I hunted with them and was at their banquet.

Tell us kind of the whole genesis of the weekend, because it was a really interesting story. It was so much fun. One of the organizers of an organization, a ministry called Hunters with Mission. They support an orphanage in India. They contacted Tony to see if he would be interested in donating the wood duck print that he painted from his K to their raffle banquet that they have every year.

And they use that money to send directly to India. And he said, sure, I'd love to send you that. And he talked to me about it. And he was like, these folks are doing this mission work. And they do it with a waterfowl derby. They hunt geese and ducks. I said, so they have combined hunting and missions. Like, I'm in on that.

That sounds great. So we happily, you know, said we, you know, send that duck print to him for their raffle. And the guy said, you know, hey, we'd love to have y'all if you want to come up here and do you want to hunt. And Tony isn't much of a duck hunter. He thinks he might be more into it maybe next year. Some people are just observers. I think he's been sitting back at observing. But he's after this, you know, this weekend there, he was like, this is a blast.

I might enjoy it. Yeah. So we said, yeah, you know, we'd love to hunt. hunt, Phyllis will hunt. So they put me on a team because it's teams of two or three. And you go out and you hunt. And then he called back and said, well, you know, you're donating this wood duck print and you're going to come up here and hunt with us. Would you be interested, Phyllis, and speaking at our Sunday morning service? Oh, I'm like, okay, that's getting out of my comfort zone, but, you know, I'll do it, you know. And then he called back later. He said, I forgot to tell you,

it's two services. I was like, whoa, I'm really out of my comfort zone. But we went up there and it was wonderful. The organizers were amazing. The people that worked with us the most to get us there, Chris and Kerry Alexander, they are faithful podcast watchers that every time a podcast, unashamed podcast comes out, they're listening. It's part of their, just part of their daily devotion that they do. Now I call them Notification Nation because I didn't realize that people were being notified every time a new podcast drop. I kept talking to people and they said, you know, I got the notification. I was like, so you're actually explaining me what that means. And so they did. And I was like, oh, I get it.

So, and they usually just stop whatever they're doing, and the hard cause. They're watching it. Yeah. There's a family there, the Bayless family. They started this. The mom and dad, Bayliss, went to India and went to this orphanage and saw the great need that they had. And so they started out of their church. I think it's Lone Cherry Baptist.

They're in Independence, Kansas. They started this waterfowl derby, and it grew so much so quickly that they asked one of the organizers, hey, can we have it at your church? So it was the first church of the Nazarene in Independence, Kansas. It was packed. So we had a great day hunting. And then we went to the banquet that night. And they did the raffle.

They raised, I think, almost, or right at $27,000 to send to India through this. Great time. And then the next morning, Sunday morning, I spoke at the two services. And I was nervous, you know, I've never done anything like that. So I put together my testimony and shared it with them. Well, you sent your notes to me and Lisa, and we looked over them. But, I mean, it was great. I had nothing to add.

I thought you laid it out beautifully. And I thought it was interesting. So you had a couple of funnies there to get things going. One time you walked out of your waiters or something, I don't know. Yes. I didn't, you know, you get to hear the story, that was pretty funny. It's like when you get stuck, like, if your boots don't fit properly and you get out in the mud, and you're not used to walking in the mud.

You can literally just step out of it. It's like a broken ankle is how I describe it. Well, Jay told me, he's like, oh, you're going duck hunting. We've got some, I'm like, what about waiters? And there's not a lot of girl hunting clothes out there. there that are shaped for women. No, it's a, it's a, it's a weak market, I think, and more and more women are hunting. So maybe that's where you need to move to from your art venture. Another. It means honey. Women's hunting gear. You know, I would definitely be open to seeing

what there could be, you know, what could be done there because it's, I follow some women's hunting groups. And it's the number one issue that comes up with women who hunt is finding waiters and other hunting equipment camo that works for them. So they said, Stone said, hey, I'll just give you uncle size waiters he had the smallest feet so that's what i wore last year oh that was a bold move right i usually don't borrow anything from sigh no they were new they were new you you run up on issues because we usually don't take women duck out and very few through the years but when you finally do get a woman in this case my daughter you're like you said well what happens when they need to take a leak because men you know whatever they just you know you know

pee out the back door. And even that term is so masculine. There's a log out there behind you, about 20 yards. Get out there on the end of that log. Get a hole you up. Have you ever used the term, take a leak before you came to be into our family? I don't personally use that terminology, but, you know, hey, whatever works. Of course, it's funny because I remember when Phyllis was prepping about hunting, that was one of her big questions.

She was like, because Phyllis will ask. Well, that is a legitimate. Yeah. She's like, what do you do when you have to go bath? I said, oh, it's a problem. Well, and here it's a problem for me, too, because you drink a lot of coffee and stuff and you get waged into these little small blinds. It's like, all right, everybody's just going to clear a path because I got to go.

Right. It's surrounded by water. I dehydrate myself. Like, that's one tactic is, you know, the water stops the night before and there's not a lot of water, and I sip coffee judiciously after a couple hours into the hunt. I don't want that problem. I've done charity hunts before and even frog hunt adventures at night. And some of the people have been all women.

And so I feel like a mom because I'm like, okay, look, I know this is awkward, but everyone needs to go to the restroom before we leave this dock. We're out here in the wild and there are frogs just in the summertime. And, you know, there's a critter under every log. And I'm like, this is, this says to be an emergency only situation. So everyone goes to the bathroom. They're all looking at me like, go make yourself go right now. Right.

Well, and that's the, oh. And the waters around you're full of, you know, you're looking at them, cotton mouth moxswain and alligators. You tend to be kind of careful on where you decide to squat. Yeah. This is true. You're giving us some graphic analysis. I'm just saying.

There's a lot of pictures and words today. So, but we never thought about it as men, because I would say we don't have to like take everything off. It's much harder for women. But we talked about this before, even with waiters and like I said, the water, you don't really have a dry ground. It's not a easy situation. That's why I'm in those women's hunting groups because they have great ideas. Yeah. Yeah.

And I don't mind talking about them. I've told them what I have. So what my little technique is. But there are ideas out there for women who enjoy the outdoors, not. just hunting, but hiking and camping and all of that. So you've been through two hunting seasons now here. And so do you feel like you're kind of catching up to the speed of it all? Speed.

I am not fast. By the time I realize that there is a duck there, it's dead. Yeah. It's gone. It's the number one thing when you're learning hunting because you're around people who are obviously experienced and the speed at which everything's, happening. I mean, it's really like the equivalent of an NFL football game. That's right. I mean, you're like, oh, I played some flag football at my church league, and you go out there.

I'm just from what I've heard. And I think the same thing with ducks, because most people, by the time when they get up, it's over. It's already happening. Because everyone else, the anticipation, they just, they're functioning at a way faster speed. But you're right. Oh, go ahead. Well, it was fun in Kansas because one of the, the youngest Bayless son was there with us, our team, his wife, who's newer to duck hunting. So I felt like I wasn't in the company of you and others who just, you know, muscle memories right there. So I felt like I had a chance.

And I did shoot a goose. Oh, really? I shot a pin tail, you know, and they were definitely mine. Your shooting has gotten better. I mean, we had to have some, I forgot when that all happened. But I remember one day I just had to say, I was like, Phyllis, let's stop. We had a timeout. Time out.

Shotgun. I don't think I shared this before. And I didn't want to embarrass you, but I was like, you know what? You're my sister. Because I think somebody said shoot a duck, but you were so far off. I was like, there's a technique that's off here. It was. And you really, because you really just didn't have your head looking right down that gun barrel,

matching the bead up to the duck. It was just some simple tips and I'm not thin skin. Like that doesn't bother me at all to receive positive reinforcement criticism. And you're good about asking. Let's take a break. Well, I was going to say firearms are dangerous and they can be intimidating

and they should be. We should be nervous. Yeah, for a reason and the number one goal for a new hunter is should be safety because there's a lot of rules that you've learned that are in place where you know nothing bad happens right you never point your muzzle toward another human being for unloaded loaded you just never do it you never have your finger on the trigger until you're

you know fix to shoot the don't take your safety off unless you're about to pull the exactly it's all in one these kind of things but the little things about because a lot of people they're intimidated of the gun and subconsciously they're trying to shoot it and have their head as far away from it as possible. Right. It's like a reflex too. Oh, this is going to kick a little bit. And it's a combustible weapon.

But you just have to get on in there and get your head down on the side. I tell people, you need your jaw to be sore a couple of times. So you know you have your head down on that gun. Because if you don't, you're not going to hit what you're aiming at. Well, the tips helped. I mean, I have gotten better. I mean, I'm far from where I need to be. And the safety is important.

I took a hunter's safety education. Exactly. How did I say Hunter's Education Safety Course? So how about the, and you've introduced to another world when we get home and we decide whether we have duck fingers or duck gumbo or baked duck, how me? I love it all. So you were introduced to all that, the consumption of what we're harvested. I really enjoy duck. Yep.

Had never had it. And we had to reintroduce her to deer because like a lot of people, people. She had a bad experience young. Somebody didn't know what they were doing. Yeah. And so you get that, I remember it too. I mean, you got all these deer processors. I don't ever remember that deer processors when I was growing up. It's a big thing now. It's a big thing now. So you got people that kind of learn what they're doing in processing. The owner is aging the bigger deer. They age them for, you know, hanging in a cooler for 28 days. And they nice and tender, you know, And, I mean, actually, you know, there's a growth that starts on them, but that's when they're ready, you know, when they begin to, you see the little blue on them.

You say, okay. Oh, yeah. But they're just as fine as you've ever put your mouth on, you know. Well, it's like, you know, aged beef. Every time I ever ever had aged beef, it was delicious. So it's the exact same idea. Yeah. And our oldest son, Grant, apparently he and his wife have become amazing, dear, dear,

jerky makers. Yep. They are turning almost all of their deer into jerky and people are asking for it. Yeah. Really good marinade and flavoring. So, yeah. There's a guy I know that up in Oklahoma that kills a lot of geese and, you know, a lot of ducks and a lot of deer. And they've been, he's been turning everything into jerky and then he ships it overseas

to our service members who are deployed. That's awesome. Which is a great idea. Yeah. Part of a whole group that's been doing that. Great idea. Yeah. I mean, you know, you're out there.

I mean, just one thing is you get something from home. And then the other thing is, you know, it's really tasty and good. Very cool. A good way to eat that too. So Phyllis, you mentioned I had your notes and I wanted you to tell the story. I'm not sure that we told it on the podcast before, but if we did, I think it's worth retelling. You have it, you had it titled in your presentation as the best, worst Christmas gift ever. So tell us about that.

Tell that story because I thought it's pretty amazing. This is what you did early in your lesson. This is kind of introduced you. Right. The whole idea of you being a robbersome. I wrote it as a blog and kind of referenced it for that testimony that I did. But Julie, our oldest son, Grant's girlfriend at the time, now they're married. I'm about to have a grand baby less than a month.

Just another adding to the grand mother's. Very excited. She bought him an ancestry DNA test so that he could see his, like, ethnicity. It was for fun, and when he got the results back, it didn't add up, and we looked, and we're like, well, you know, why does this not match what we've been told? And I called my brother and said, you know, what's up with this? And he's pretty quick to get right to it. He said, well, either what we've been told is not true or Wayne, who we always was my dad growing up, who now I know is my stepdad. He said he's not your real dad. And so I've had questions before, and I'd even directly ask my mom, you know, are you sure Wayne's my dad? They were separated at the time. that I was conceived. So there were questions. And I was different in some ways. You kind of always, the way you described is you kind of always felt like something didn't

quite connect, right? It's true. And, you know, you just wonder, how does that, how is a person know that? But I somehow knew that. And so the results, I finally did the test and results came back and that my sister had done the test and we compared and we were half siblings. And so, you know, when Grant saw all of this happening, he said, thanks, Julie. You know, you bought this gift and opened up a can of worms.

What a great present. Yeah. Oh, darn. It's both the best and worst Christmas gift. It was the best, worst Christmas gift ever because it ended up leading to me finding you and my, you know, Newfound family. I don't like calling y'all new family, and now by now it's not even new family, but Newfound. And I talked about that in Kansas, and I've shared that there's a couple of things that just kind of grieved me, like having to be introduced to my family.

I should never, a person shouldn't have to be introduced to their brother. Yeah. That shouldn't ever have to happen. Unless they're a newborn baby and you're two and they're like, here's your new baby brother, right? That's normal. But to tell a 40-something year old, hey, this is your brother.

This is, you know, these are one of his kids or whatever. That's just sad and awkward. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and it's amazing because all the conversations that we've had about all the realizations now over the course of, because now we're entering into our third year of knowing this information and how you discover so many things, you're a certain way, you think a certain way, some of your physical problems like your scoliosis and all that's totally tied into

our DNA, you know, because we have other family like that. So it must be kind of interesting in terms of just a discovery, right? It answered a lot of questions and made me feel better about myself in some ways, things that I maybe thought were a negative or, you know, someone, you know, you're so headstrong, you're so this or that. And then I get around a group of people with all very many similarities. And I'm like, hey, I fit here. And this is not so abnormal after all. Like I fit in somewhere. And I could have lived my whole life saying, oh, she's just a Robertson. Yeah, you looked at Jason. And you said, that aisle, and you said, boy, no wonder I'm headstrong. It's true.

It's turned into an intervention. Well, his husband, he's the one that mom said, he said she never got his humor his whole life. So that's why they clash so much. They argue she said. Yeah, that's what. I was only kidding. She just doesn't interpret dry humor real well. My wife, she gets it.

Yeah. I'm saying all this nonsenseical stuff all the time, and she chuckles and we move on. That's why we get along despite our lack of hobbies. So let's take great. So you shared the gospel and you used the symbols that we used. So tell us about how that went over with them. Well, for visual, I had a little bit of a, not really a full slide show, but some visuals in the background. And the main one was the gospel symbols.

And that was up there the entire time that I spoke. And I did share the gospel with everybody. I asked ahead of time if I could do that. I didn't know how they felt about a woman teaching or slash preaching slash this was my testimony, but turns out that they were completely open to me sharing anything that was on my heart that God led me to do. So that was awesome. And I shared the gospel and referred back to the symbols. And the pastor just loved it at that church. And so at the end of the service, when he was wrapping it up and closing everything, he talked about part of my story and how.

And part of what I talked about was identity in Christ and being quote unquote illegitimate. and, you know, and I told him I'm not illegitimate. I'm a daughter of the king. So my identity in Christ defines who I am first and foremost. So he brought that back up and a call to action to say, hey, you can be a part of the kingdom of God, you know, answer this call of the gospel. And so he had those symbols brought back up on the screen. And so the next Sunday, he used him again.

And he even contacted Whitesfrey Road to find out if there were any trademark or copyright issues. Because they were like, hey, we're probably pretty. open to letting that be used. I think so. Whether it's everywhere, whether it was or wasn't, the not... The symbols, just in case somebody stumbled up on this for the first time. I mean, you have an arrow pointing

down. You have a cross. You have what looks like a tomb. You have the side of a hill. Well, yeah, there's variations of the team. And then you have the arrow pointing up, and then you have an arrow pointing down.

It's very simple, profound, impactful, and they loved it. So the next Sunday he had them up. And then I had some, after that, the only thing I had were pictures, just family pictures because we talked about how another thing that's sad, grievous, I guess you could say, is, you know, getting, being here around the family for the first time and going to people's houses, seeing photos, family photos of adventures and vacations and moments and all of those things are captured in photographs.

And I'm looking around Yeah, reality TV shows. Yeah, reality TV show. And I'm looking and I'm like, you know. Musicals, books. Records. It was kind of was everywhere, especially at the lodge. Yeah, yeah.

But just eliminating all of that part of it, just looking at, you know, weddings and those things. You know, I wasn't in any of those photos. And I'm thinking that shouldn't be. That should never have happened to where you're just erased from the history of your entire family. And so what I did was I put photographs of. memories that I am making now, you know, where I am in the photo and I showed them that. And the last photo I used was the one with, uh, with me and Alex, your youngest and Pearl, her youngest, because there's some physical similarities. And it was just to say, it is. And, and I told them and, and this was,

this is just so cool. Um, Pearl being so young, we'll never know a life where Aunt Phyllis wasn't part of it. That's right. Yeah, that's true. And it's so encouraging to me, you know, to know that, that now I am a part of things that are happening in the family. But these younger ones, they'll always know Aunt Phyllis, you know. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, I thought that was really a great point. And I thought about that parable, we've talked about it before in different contexts, but I never thought about in this context, but the parable that Jesus talked about where the,

you remember where the workers get hired and they all come at different parts of the day? And the ones who came in first got the same pay as the people just came in the last hour. And they were kind of like upset because they're like, wait a minute, why should we get the same? with the idea being is whenever you get to the party, you're at the party. Mm-hmm. Was the kind of the big concept. And so I love that. You've understood that.

You could be bitter about that. You could be angry about that. Right. You know, whose fault is this? You could believe it. To your credit, you have a positive spin. And there's some, you know, a church cheesy line about God takes our messes and turns them into his message. Mm-hmm.

It's really true because you're helping people who have the same. same situation. Right. I mean, this is not like this first time this ever happened. And the issues that I talked.

And we know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love him who have been called according to his purpose, which is a great text to look at when you think about these things. What are you going to say?

Just that, you know, not everyone finds out that their, you know, biological dad is not who they thought. They certainly don't find out that he's a celebrity. All of that is, way above and beyond normal.

But there are elements in my story that are, I hope, encouraging to, because the issues of forgiveness and identity in Christ and not being judgmental, those types of things apply to so many people in so many different settings. So I feel like it speaks to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think some of the irony in just the situation, I mean, it just so happened, just so happened in quotation, that while we're doing the show, Well, I'd say the show was being aired.

You're doing mission work in Nicaragua, oblivious to this. So you only heard about it as a trauma, yeah. Thankfully, you're not tainted because really the shock, I mean, I'm just going to put my viewer and listener hat on. And the shock of you saying, looking at a picture, here's the cover from our little duck show. And you're like, this is your family. I mean, I think my response would be, you have got to be kidding. There's no way. Is this the Louisiana hillbillies?

I mean, what happened? It's just because, you know, pretty rough look probably. You know, outward appearances, not important. Haven't ever been. Haven't ever been. There's irony here. There's some irony in this. I do you think most people would just have that view on outward appearance and say,

Oh, wait, there's been another mistake. This can't be happening. Let's take another break. I want to talk a little bit about that, though, Phyllis. The way I describe it, so in certain contexts of when I go speak, I like talking about you coming to the family and our relationship. And the way I describe it is that God had to have had this hand of protection around you. in your life because you know you had some tough times growing up and so i mean describe why were you so

drawn to the spiritual when really nobody else around you was what do you think that you think that was something in your DNA was it something about your environment i mean because you would find churches as a little girl really interesting yeah that and just go on your own right right to pick you up or get within walking distance so why was that pull there so much for you growing up you know i don't it This is my thought on it. When I was conceived during duck season, so early 75, you were converted in the summer of 75. Correct. So I was still in the womb when you were converted.

So by the time I was born, you had begun to change your life and lead your family in a spiritual direction and attend church and Bible studies and practice hospitality and everything that came from that. and you were doing that as an example for your wife and your sons at the time and your household. Well, I think God said, Phyllis isn't physically in that household, but she is his daughter. And I think he honored that. I think there was a grace that just extended to me. Wow. I did have a family member in Missouri. I had a couple aunts that went to church.

I'd go with them. And I just always loved to go to church. I went to vacation Bible school. When I was nine at a Baptist church in Quitman, just down the road from here, there was a call to answer the gospel. And I walked up there all by myself, age nine, and talked to the pastor of the church

and shook his hand, and he prayed with me, the sinner's prayer. And, you know, I accepted Jesus as my savior at age nine. Wow. And I grew up fast, and I feel like that was legitimate. I was nine going on 20 probably at the time. Because you were running everything. I was a precocious kid, and definitely, I felt like by then my brother and sister had left the house.

Every one of us escaped the household as soon as we could because it was so dysfunctional. And by then they had left, and so I was the adult in the room pretty much everywhere I was with my family. Tell the story about when you opened your first bank account. count. I love that story. So, so my stepdad had had a traumatic brain injury from a drunk driving accident before I was born. And so he was always, you know, brain injured and had some issues there. And he eventually got on disability. And when you're a minor child of a person who has a disability and they get a check, you get a check for your minor dependent. And so he got that check and his name, and it says to his name for Phyllis, you know. So he gave it to me, and because

he knew how adultish I was, I was age 12, he said, here's your, here's your check. This is for you. This is to take care of you. I said, okay. So I went down to the bank and opened a checking account and gave it to the banker. That's 12. I said, I need to make sure this check gets deposited in this account, you know, every month. And so he said, okay, but Phyllis, you're going to have to have your daddy come down here and sign this. And I'm like, why do I need my dad to come down and sign this bank? That's my money. You know, and I can open this account. Just fine. Thank you very much. And he's like, well, you're 12. So he came down and he signed off on it. But at that point, I had a checkbook and financial freedom. And I started actually working when I was 11, just busing tables at a restaurant

that my sister married into a family that owned a restaurant. So I was cleaning tables, getting tips, and kind of worked my way up. So I was working, my little part-time job, got that check every month, and I moved out. But you were, you were, that's what's so amazing. I mean, you were a godly girl. You weren't even a woman, even though you felt older. And yet, where a lot of people would have used that,

the freedom independence you had to just run headlong into some sinful life or situation, you never did. I didn't. You love God and served him. I mean, I just find that incredible. Well, I've said before you can use your upbringing or things, traumatic events that have happened to you as an excuse for bad behavior and bad choices or you can use that as the reason why you choose to have a different life. And I knew for me, my personal testimony was stay in school, make good grades and stay in church, have a relationship with God. I knew. I'm like, if I can do those two things, I can overcome this dysfunction and poverty and have a different life. And that's exactly what I did. God's hand was on me. Yeah. And I do think that's one of the reasons why the transition of all of us living together and doing life together now is as smooth as it has been because of our commitment to Christ.

I mean, Jay says it all the time. He and Missy have nothing in common, or initially at least, but Jesus. And so how that made everything else work. And I would say the same thing about us. Because look, it's not easy. We're merging in, not only you and Tony, but also your son. sons, their wives, which is also addition to you. And so it's not always an easy or smooth transition, but it's been, it's been great. I mean, just, you know, thinking about the alternatives of how difficult it could have been. It could have been in credit to you and Lisa. I mean, seriously, you two have been instrumental in making sure that, you know, our transition here has gone smoothly. You invite us to all your family get-togethers and include us and so much. And that has

been a difference maker and living at the lodge next door to you and Ms. Kay, you know, we can go down and have dinner, just visit, just stop in anytime. And that's been also very helpful. So that closeness, that proximity and just being included. Well, it's funny because one of our, one of our friends, Joe Neal Kirby, who's a, you know, she's a PhD and marriage and family and all this, you know, counselor. And she told Lisa and I, before we met you in, in the, in person but we've been talking and of course you know there's some of our close friends she said she said well this is going to affect your dad your dad's going to be different um with phyllis than he was has been with the guys with the boys and i was like yeah right you know i was like dad's got one mode

you know that's it so i spent all this time with you like trying to prepare you that of how dad is you know, don't expect him to be compassionate or super touchy feeling. I go through this whole thing. The first time Dad meets you, I mean, it's like he was totally drawn in that you were different. And so I was completely wrong. She was right. Because I think it has been. I put her face in my hands and I looked into her eyes.

And I said, yep. Well, that's even when I saw the picture back when we were doing the first, podcast. Yeah. You know, it was a letter. By the way, we discovered your letter on the set of Unashamed by the podcast. Well, yeah.

It was after the podcast. It was in your bedroom now. I was like, give this feel and you were looking through it. I was reading it. I was like, ah, this one. When he turned that picture, I said, you need to look into that. There was something. I felt the same.

Chase was like, because I was like, because I read 75 and you mentioned. In your defense, Al, it, it, we get a lot. I mean, we had had a lot of letters. We get a lot of letters, not like your letter. I didn't know, you know, and I wouldn't have known. I didn't even know that. You got a lot of crazy stuff. And so I just was glancing at it.

And when I saw 75, I thought, well, there's no way because dad became a Christian 75. Well, 75 is 12 months. Mm-hmm. And I just weren't at the end of it. Remember, I was like, well, you know. Maybe. Maybe.

I'm not sure. When I saw the picture, I said, you need to tell what you're doing and look into that. I was real adamant because there was just some. Something about it that kind of made me stopping my track. But you mentioned Missy and I, but you know, when you read St. Corinthians 5, because I keep going back to that in our study, what God does is he gives us reconcilable differences. Yes. Which is the exact opposite of the way the world functions. Because they say we're going to divorce over irreconcilable differences.

Yeah. We, Missy and I have none of those. They're all reconcilable. It's a good point. Which I think is because of our foundation. I mean, we love the Lord first, and we love each other. And I think we have a dynamic marriage. But just from people that observe us, they're like,

how in the world are these two people getting along? I'm telling you, all the little stuff, we cannot be further apart. But they're reconcilable differences. And I think it's challenging and it's interesting. It makes it adventurous. and I actually enjoy hearing all these things that I've never heard about before. And she's telling me what she did. I'm like, why would another human being do those things?

But she seems to enjoy them. Which is why Missy is one of my favorite guests on our podcast, because Jay just squirms all the time. And it takes me back to my childhood of enjoying Jay squirming. So it's like it's a very nostalgic thing. Well, because I never have any idea what she's fixed to come up with next. She makes you nervous. It makes you really great.

She's been a little nervous. That's why I buried her. All right, we're out of time. We're about to go to overtime. And so I just thought what I wanted to talk about in the overtime. We've been talking about 1st, I mean, 1st Corinthians 11. So I want to get your take as a woman on that passage, and especially growing up as you did.

So in our overtime, seven, we're going to do that with Phyllis. So thanks for listening today. That's a new shirt we need. Reconcilable difference. That's good. That is good. good perspective. That's a good.

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