Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 436 | Jase Meets an Inspirational Woman & Dumb Idols

Episode Date: March 2, 2022

Jase set out on a mission to scout for potential treasure-hunting sites during his off time when he ran across a treasure that inspired him and moved him to tears! Phil is impressed by Jase's story and says America would be wise to listen. Jase explains how God knowing you is more important than you knowing God, and Phil details what leads to ignorance and why you could end up worshipping dumb idols. And Al highlights the difference between the eagerness to receive spiritual gifts and the desire to be known by God. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed Get Uncanceled by Phil Robertson, available now: https://www.amazon.com/Uncanceled-Finding-Meaning-Accusations-Condemnation/dp/1400230179 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? We're going. You could be blown up over, you know, about four or five times it's big, and then I'm sitting over in the corner a little bit of, you know, the back in order. So for our listeners, what we're discussing is these people behind the invisible wall, which means there is actually no wall.

They're just sitting there. The fourth wall. The fourth wall does. They get everybody in focus, but when they do, there's like giant they turn us into giants in the process. So I think we should have

at any time if they think any one of us are getting the big head, we can call it big head. Yeah. Big head,

what would we call that? You begin to shrink. The big heads begin to shrink. They become, they have to become lesser. I wonder if they could do the other way, though,

it would make you like a little miniature like a little Bill said, hey, cameraman, I look like I weigh 350 pounds, and Jay's looks like he weighs 105. So, yeah, that cam shop was. Don't talk about weight. Yeah. So.

It was a strange looking, I don't know how you even do that. That's why we're over here. So I went on an adventure. I would like to share with you if you're in the adventure spirit. Another adventure? So I've been filming for weeks. for our upcoming show that has not been announced yet that I can't discuss. It's the worst kept secret in America.

During the, they call them dark weeks. Dark weeks. I asked them to change that and they said, I said, why do you label it dark week? I was like, that just sounds sinister. It sounds sinister. That's exactly what I was on saying. And they just, they had no comment. So anyway, for the dark week, I went, I got invited by these guys that make, build the metal detectors, Garrett.

I've been with them for a few years. And they said, we're going to Virginia. I mean, we're talking about the birthplace of America here. And I went last year. Found a few things, but it was just overwhelmed by the beauty and just the history. So they're going back this year. And he's, and I'm like, the more I talked to him, my guy there, he's, like, he's a lot. like, well, there's a few places I've never gotten permission to, but they duck hunt.

And I'm thinking, if I tell them that you're coming, they may say, yeah, come find our treasures. What do you think? I said, go for it. I'm in on this. I like undiscovered territory places you haven't been. They've been hunted a lot, but just not by him. So he got two of them where they were, somebody was a duck hunter in the bunch, and they're like, yeah, come on. Is that end and around the James River?

Yes. That's where, because back, you got to remember back in the day. I hunted with some guy up there. The rivers were the interstates. So this is where people gathered where they hung out, where like during wars and like the Civil War, those entry points on the river, bridges and places like that, fairies, and this is where all the commotion was.

And so if you have an old home place, that used to be somewhere on the river. Well, there's, and this stuff, we're going back to the late 1600s and 1700. I mean, you may find something as old as you can find here, made a metal. Oh, yeah. So I'm like, so I'm in. And I just wanted to scout because if this show is successful, you know, I was thinking more, hey, season two, let's go, let's go to the James River.

But you kind of got another lay of the land, have the people there. And so I was looking. So we met the first folks and duck hunters. I gave them duck calls. And I found a few things. I brought some of my findings here, but I found an old watch there. And just keep it like that.

So they all don't slot. See what I'm saying? Look, Phil. Yeah, keep it flat. All right. I need to help redesign my box. I don't handle treasure that much. Yeah.

So I got a couple large scents in there. there and you say you know used to the penny was huge it's it's crazy that they lost it but i got one that was 1824 one was 1850 and i found a couple of indian heads and so here go let me say and he gave me a virginia half penny which is this one in the middle we'll get a shot for it but look this thing in the corner is what i want to talk about this is a is a something for a padlock and it's got a crown on it and has initials well I can't even see that G.R. I think

it was Georgius Rex and it was made in London from a lock from the late 1700s. That's when the Brits made to control some or well I just somebody got a lock from there and I found the little

piece to it and some of those buttons you know they go back to 1830s and 1840 so it was It was great. It might have been some dude that the guys from Virginia there, the redneck's in there around that river. I might have clipped somebody who's off in the weeds.

Look, he got a lock on him. Get it off of it. Yeah. So look, so the second day we go. Rednecks. And so look, there's like seven of us. I mean, just rough-looking guys. I mean, I was obviously looked the roughest, but seven guys.

So we pull up to this old home place. And the son was a duck hunter, but the son, he was older than me. So his mom still lived at the house. She was 85 years old. And so we gather up. So we're like, hey, we introduce ourselves. We appreciate you letting us hunt. And she's like, well, you have to come in before you can go hunt.

And I have to give you a tour. And we have to drink some coffee. This is what we do here. So everybody was looking around. I was like, all right, boys, we're going on the tour. So we go in there. Well, then I quickly found out that this woman was a woman of faith. Was her name Granny Hawkins, yes?

No, it wasn't Granny Hawkins. She was Miss Helen. But she said, she basically, first she showed us, she had a thing she had built. Of course, the place was full of history, and that was all interesting. But what got my attention was the first display was this display her daughter had done, and it was Jesus Rock. of various assortments in design and that she had a verse there. What's the verse that says,

if you don't praise something to the faith, you don't praise God, the rocks will cry out. It was in Matthew, which would have been really the first rock concert. No, it was a bad joke, but the rocks are crying out. But y'all remember that verse?

So I thought, well, this is interesting, you know. And then she just, I realize this woman is trying, she's using this. She believes the Lord has sent these seven people, and she's fixed to share her faith and the love of God. She did it. She was very witty, sharp as a tack about history, but she just found ways to share different aspects of faith and the love of God.

Look, she had a, there was this one. white dress on the wall. It was a, she called it a baptismal dress, I guess, just for ladies only. But she had a history in her family going back to the late 1700s from everybody who was baptized. I mean, I mean, like, you just went through it and the dates that had happened. And so the more I got around her, I mean, I was, I felt, I thought, well, this is the treasure. I mean, I'm glad I came in here, you know.

No doubt about it. So then we were like, okay, the tour's over. And she's like, well, I have to read your story. So you all have a seat and sit on your coffin. And she read us about a 10-minute, very inspirational story about a young girl who used to call back in the day. You could call information. And something, information, please. But it wasn't like today when you ask, what's the.

Alexa. Yeah. Back in the day, they have. had Alexa, but it was actually a woman named Alexa, who would say, can I help you? So she read this story about this three, I think it started when she was three or four years old. She picked up the phone, said, information please, and she asked how to spell fix, I think, was the first thing she asked. But she just kept calling this woman, any idea she had any question as she was growing. And so eventually she quit calling, but then she thought about her like 15 years later,

and she called back same woman still there. Hey, how you doing? Well, then she called, and there was a guy in information, please, was no longer in service, but she had written a letter before she died, the woman who was the informant. And she said, if this girl ever calls again, read her this letter. letter. And so, of course, and then Miss Helen got real teary-eyed. And it basically, the letter was that this woman couldn't have kids and this little girl calling, she just took it upon herself to try to teach her and mentor her about life. And I mean, there was way more substance and spirituality

to some of the things. This was, this was like, it's probably a 15-minute reading. Yeah. And I just looked around and thought all these old rough guys were inspired got teary eyed because she was getting teary eyed and plus just the transition from time and she made the point that it's about relationships you know no matter how technology has evolved because back then that was a big thing you can call and get whatever information you want whatsoever the only time we ever saw Alexa stumble is I asked Dan to ask Alexa do you duck hunt do you hunt ducks and there was a pause it was a pause and then the answer coming forth from the internet was I'm not sure so oh honey you'd be sure if you did it or not come on out with it so anyway so it was a it was a great

so I was like no matter what we find here I'm inspired and it was great so and it was a big place they had so everybody tore out of there but we after the first hour I think everybody right why would everybody tear out of there I'm talking about looking for stuff thousands of acres here I was talking I thought they there was some some meanness in the no no they were tearing out like the whole crowd you know they were inspired and they were inspired but they came there to to metal detect and treasure hunt so it's like they were like just pinned up you know they've gone on two hours hour tour and it so they just took off so at first hour i had found nothing and i i can't even see

anybody else they just all took off in every direction and so i found a large scent and i went in a hundred yard radius and didn't even get another signal but i was happy then once i found that because those are hard why you're there jace one of the uh uh deficits in our culture these days is that We don't associate to our shame. We don't associate old age with wisdom and bright thinking. We don't bring in the older people, what they would say. We need to bring them forth. Well, you know what made me want to tell this story?

It's because we're in, you know, 1st Corinthians 12. We're talking about the different talents and the members. We're different parts to the body. I mean, here's a woman who's 80. you'd think she'd be looking at, well, she's retired. No, she's working for the Lord vigorously. She was witty. She was very wise.

She was very clever and extremely classy. Just everything about her was amazing. And I thought this is, it's been a while since, because usually I'm the one doing the confronting or trying to figure out a way to let God use me to inspire other people. But I was like, this is so awesome. that this woman has figured out a way. If you show up out there, get ready.

But she did it. She disarmed us in with all the knowledge of her history because she knew more than all of us combined. It brings that text to light. And there are some who are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame. Well, it wouldn't be her. No, it wouldn't be her at all.

See what I'm saying? So, anyway. Holding the body together sometimes depend on the aged, the ones that have been, you know, the ones you got 85 years behind them. Let's take a break. So the more I found that large scent, the more I thought about it,

and everybody had gone out of sight, I thought, you know what, I'm going to try to find this woman a coin, because I like finding coins anyway. But the large scent I found, I mean, you can see here, they're almost unrecognizable. So I was looking for something more flashy.

And, but everybody, was trying to find you know what we tried to find in the civil war relics are a breastplate that and I found one in my life which was just that was before I even knew what I was doing I actually had it in my junk and I dumped it out on my tailgate just like just throwing it around I didn't even know what it was and one of my buddies luckily saw it and was like he started hollering this this was a couple years ago and i didn't even know what it was but they were all trying to find those types of things so they were going they thought a battle it happened down by the river and but i thought you know what she's been so inspirational i'm just going to try to find a nice silver coin and give it to her just for

being an amazing host and a lover of the lord so i had a photographer with me he was taking pictures and i said that's i think that's the plan because they had uh there was a picture inside the house that somebody had taken in the late 1800s of the house. And I said, I want to get where they were standing because why in the world did they pick that spot? Because it wasn't like in the front of the house or it wasn't behind the house or it was just on the side. And I said, somebody stood there to take the picture.

So I took a picture of the picture. And I went over there and there was a little ridge. I said, this is where I'm going to hunt. and so first thing I found was something modern piece of pipe I took a few steps above and I saw some holes that my buddies had had dug and I thought now this is just a modern junkyard here because they said the son said that there was a house there used to be an old house here and they just bulldozed it out into the field so I thought well this is probably not good so I turned around and started going to walk I was going to walk out I was going to walk out out of it and try a new plan. Well, my detector went off. And it was loud. And I thought, well, here's another piece of pipe, you know.

So I dug it up. When I turned it over, I could see the back of this, and I knew what it was because it had clips like a buckle. And I looked up and I told the photographer, I was like, I couldn't even really speak because I was so shocked. I was like, I found, I actually, I actually said the wrong thing. I said, I found a breastplate that the soldiers used to wear. And I was like, no, what am I saying?

I was like, a buckle. I found a buckle. And so I'll show it to you what it was. I mean, this is like for Treasure Hunter, it says U.S., the Union officers wore those. U.S. That's old. 1860 and fantastic condition.

I don't know if you can see it. Can you see that? Yeah, I can see it. And so I'm looking at him. He's looking at me. I'm like, because that's what they're all looking for. I stay by the house trying to find the coin. They're all down at the river at the capground looking for one of these, and I found it.

So I was like, you know what? We're going to say that for a little reveal prank on my buddies. And so I wrapped it up real good and put it in the vehicle. So I went back. I was like, I still got to find that coin. Went right back out. there and found a 1942 mercury dime in spectacular condition just a silver coin so i thought well here's her present so about that time they all came out and uh one of the guys with us was

their neighbor who i met last year he came walking up and i was like and then it kind of hit me i thought i'm gonna she this woman is so incredible i'm gonna have to offer her that buckle too i mean it's on her land. And so I told the camera guy, I was like, you know what? If she wants it, I'm going to give it to her. Let me just deal with that right now. I was like, I'm going to give her that coin because I'm hoping she'll say, you keep that buckle. And so I go get it and I give her the coin and I said, I found something spectacular. I said, this is what we are out here looking for. Of course, she just was overjoyed about the coin because it was. It was, she was overjoyed about the coin, It was silver and it was shiny.

She looked at the buckle and she was like, huh, yeah, that's neat. It's like, I didn't do anything. Why don't you keep that? I was like, now this is actually one of the buckles they were. She's like, you keep that. If that makes you happy, I'm glad you found. I'm so happy. You found something you like.

I was thinking, oh, yes, thank you, Lord. So then when all my buddies came up about Dart, and I was like, do y'all find, which they found a ton of stuff, but they were, you know, they're looking for buckles and breastplates or whatever. One of them found like a cannonball fragment, which is really extremely cool. And so I showed them what I had, everything except this. And I said, I had one thing that had some writing on it, but I just wasn't sure about it. I didn't want to throw it away.

And so I just, they were all gathered in a circle and I just like, because they all know what this is, you know. This is what we're looking for. Of course, they all started, we looked like a bunch of junior high. you know, kids jumping up, high-fiving. Well, she was so excited. And I could tell in that moment, because she said, well, I've been sitting around all day, worried that y'all weren't going to find something that would excite you. And so I am so happy for y'all.

And I thought, yep, this woman is definitely filled with the Holy Spirit because she got, she got to share Jesus with us. She was gracious. And now she was more happy than we were that we found something. on her, you know, her land. So it was... That kind of makes the story of when you find Jesus, you find like a treasure hidden in a field.

And when you find it, you sell everything you got to keep that. Exactly. So it was an amazing scout trip that turned out I found something on my bucket list that I wanted to find in my experiences, you know. I wish we'd have filmed it. We just took pictures of it. But we can, I'll share some of the pictures of these things so that our viewers can see for those that are watching. No, that's good, Jason.

That was, and what was amazing was, is that you weren't even, you weren't doing that for your show. You were doing that for fun. That's why I can talk about it. That's everybody's like, what are you talking about? So, yeah, this was just a scout trip that turned out to be epic in all capital letters. and just the comrade camaraderie of hunting and finding all these neat places to go. And I'm definitely thinking about if the show is successful, if y'all will watch and it will become worth something we should be pursuing, then I'll definitely go back there and do a TV show at some sort there because I fell in love with people, especially Miss Helen.

I mean, I'm telling you, she is living testimony of the power of God. God in someone's life just by the way she operated. It was incredible. Our nation would be wise to listen to people of the age of people like that. Yeah. Yeah. I like the idea, Jace, if you're, the, there's a, the show is, the ideas is treasure is more than what you dig up. I mean, it's people you find, it's relationships. I mean, I thought about when you were describing Ms. Ellen about, you know, we just, there's so many awesome people. we just hadn't met them yet. I mean, they're all across the world.

And then, you know, we get the opportunity. People say, what's the best thing about being well known? I was like, the people I meet. I mean, I go someplace. I've never been. And I meet the most amazing person that I didn't know existed, but now I'll never be able to forget. I mean, that's really the best part of what we get to do.

Well, I told her, I was like, do you mind if I share what happened here on our podcast? We have a podcast I was explaining to her. And at first she said, no, I'd rather you not. And I was like, why? She said, well, I don't want somebody to hear about me and come try to rob me. And I said, that's fair enough. But so then a couple hours later, she said, you know, I got to thinking about that about you mentioning me.

I said, look, I'm going to be pretty vague. I'll just mention your first name. You're in somewhere on the East Coast. And I said, so good luck with that. But she said, you know, sometimes we have to, we have to show. courage when we're trying to do the right thing. So if you feel like that will inspire people that we met, go ahead and then share it. And I was like, well, I appreciate that, you know.

So I thought here's one, 85 saying, God's thinking about that. I need to be courageous in this. So I'm telling you, she was amazing. She made me tear up about five times during the time we were there. Because once I found that buckle, I was good. So we just sat around an old well, her and her son and her neighbor, and we just talked to and watched the sun set. I mean, it was a beautiful.

I got a picture of that that I'll post on there. Because I had this photographer, and he was taking pictures, and I didn't even realize it. But I was like, boy, I'm glad you really captured this moment. It was, what a day. Let's take a break. So we're in First Corinthians. kind of a recap of 12, but Dad, you were telling us something before we started that I thought

was interesting that Paul, anytime, I always say, anytime a writer in the Bible says something three times, we should notice. At least three times. You know what you were doing. And if they respond from reading some information that they had received from you and some questions arose. And if three times during their letter back to you, and you're an apostle, no doubt a miracle worker,

who had all the spiritual gifts, and three times he says about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. He says that three times in chapter 10, chapter 11, and chapter going all the way to over to chapter 15, come back to your senses as you ought, which if someone sends me a letter and says, Phil, you need to come back to your senses as you ought.

Somehow I know that I'm convicted by that. I'm like, and I have an apostle of Jesus doing the talking, and come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning, for there are some who are ignorant of God, and I say this to your shame. He started that by saying, do not be misled. Bad company corrupts good character. So at Corinth, there was a faction or two or three or four that had gotten together, and they were running with worldly people, and what they are seeing at their meetings doing more harm than good,

the Apostle Paul is digging down in the middle of that to say, y'all need to see what should be your priority and the way you behave inside your meetings because some are drunk, some are, you know, eating all the food, you know, and he chastise about all that. So just in a big picture, if you just step back and look, ignorance is a dangerous thing, as they say, Al. Yeah.

It made me think of that. You remember in Luke 15, we talk a lot about that parable, that Jesus talks about the lost sheep and the lost coin and then the lost son. And you remember the way Kyle Adelman writes that he had an aha moment is what he says, because he came to his senses. There was an awareness. And then he humbled himself because he said, you know what? I'm sitting here eating with the pigs.

I could be doing way better at home. And then the aha part, the last one is he got up and he went home. And so Adaman says that for people, that's what you have to have, awareness, humility, and action. In other words, you have to realize what's going on. But then you have to humble yourself to say, I can change and be different. And then you've got to do something about it. Yeah. And, you know, which is really to your point, what he's trying to get the Corinthians to do is have an aha moment. Because there's a bunch of them that they're not humble.

they're doing the wrong actions instead of the right actions. And so he's saying you need to remember what this was all started on. He was actually having to reaffirm his apostleship to these people. Because they were saying, you know, Paul, he wants to come in here. And so he was actually defending his apostleship while he was going. And his history and background from the time he was converted on the road to Damascus, there were several years in there of teaching and learning and wising up that he spent time somewhere out in that desert over there he was being trained properly and god gave him the

ability to perform all the way down to raising the dead i mean he had a long list of miraculous gift of poised a snake bit him that didn't bother him you know people falling out of windows and getting killed he raises them from the dead i mean this guy i mean you know you know you're going to he just his uh experiences should have been enough for him but it was a pretty hard sale uh al yeah and there seems to be an undercurrent and all through first crenthens and then it's going to come up even more when we get to second corinthans about him not being accepted as an apostle and and i realized why i mean he wasn't part of the original group he didn't have to spend the three years with Jesus, but he was like trying to make the point that, you know, Jesus appeared to me. Remember what

he says in 15? He says, he appeared to me as one abnormally born, meaning, you know, it came after everybody else, but he was like, he was trying to tell him, look, my experiences are still the same. I mean, I spent the time. I saw him, and he saw me. But I don't know, there's just an undercurrent through this whole letters that somebody in Corinth, they weren't respecting Paul as an apostle. There's no doubt about it. Yeah. He mentioned that. He said, after 1st Corinthians 15, 1 through 4, he said, His grace to me has not been without an effect. He said, no, I worked harder than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. So he's just letting them know,

look, I've, I've been climbing the hill, and it's been a tough go all the way. But God's been with me the whole time. So what a change in behavior on behalf of a man trying to get it into the Corinthians mind. Yeah, and we were talking about spiritual gifts. And one of the things that I don't know that we necessarily, when we first kind of went through chapter 12, was that the Holy Spirit, Jason mentioned this,

the Holy Spirit is the architect of the gifting. So which really takes out the sort of human, you know, pride aspect because it's not coming from you anyway. I mean, whatever these gifts are that they're listed here. And so when you think about it, you have the gift of the Holy Spirit. Remember, he was poured out next to the baptism of the Holy Spirit. He was promised in John 14 through 16. And then there are gifts that come from him, which you read about here in 1st, Corinthians 12, and also Romans 12. But then there's also fruit that he bears out in every Christian's life that we read about in Galatians 5. So it's really interesting.

He almost has three different roles that, you know, ever since the Spirit era began on the day of Pentecost that we experience. And so this is just one aspect of it that we're reading about in 1st, Corinthians 12. Yeah. The switchover comes with the end of chapter 12, when he said, are all apostles? and the understood answer is no. Are all prophets? No. Are all teachers?

No. Do all work miracles? No. Do all have gifts of healing? No. Do all speak in tongues? No. Do all interpret?

No? Then he says this, but eagerly desire the greater gifts. Y'all are thinking these miraculous things that you're able to do via God's spirit and you're all jocke in for position

on who now do somebody else when you come together and it's created mayhem and he ends up by saying eager desire the greater gifts and now i will show you the most excellent way and he went from the the miraculous to love hope faith hope and love he said those three are more important than all of what you're doing with these miraculous gifts because and y'all are factions and envy among you and you're all trying to to beat one another out on the race to who didn't perform the biggest miracle this morning. And he ended up by saying, there's a love problem here. So he goes through this thing about faith, hope, and love.

And now these three remain, faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. So that's the point he's making in his letter and his response to, in a lot of ways, some very unlearned and unschooled people in the faith. You got me to thinking, though. Hang on, Jay's. Let's take, Jay's. Let's take a break.

You got me to thinking. So if you go back and look at 1st Corinthians 8.1, he said about the sacrifice, food sacrifice to idols that they were, you know, sacrificing and then to demons. And then they're all, what do you do with the food? But he says, we know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up, which I'm reading this because he's fixed to call them ignorant. So he's like, what you think you know, you may not know, because he says, the man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God, which is an interesting thing. I've pointed this verse out a few times because God knowing you is more important than you knowing God.

Yep. I mean, when you go down that trail, you're going to be more inspired, and it's going to be more life-changing. Because when you look at 1st Corinthians 10, 1, to your point, he said, I don't want you to be ignorant that our forefathers were all under the cloud and they passed through the sea. So then he goes on to say in verse 3, they ate the same spiritual food and drank the spiritual drink and the rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

He said, what was the point? The point was that God was giving the gifts. They're hung up on the gifts instead of who's providing the gifts. That is correct. It goes back to the known by God. So then when he gives First Corinthians 12 in verse 1. Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I don't want you to be ignorant, which now makes sense because his point is you're not acknowledging the one who's giving the gifts,

the gift giver. which he's going to get to love because God is love. We have, you know, 1 John 4 that says that. But then I noticed another obscure passage in chapter 14 because then when we got into what their practical problems were in showing off the gifts that God had given them, not God had given them, but like, ooh, look at me, look what I have, and all the problems around that.

some translations in verse 38 of 14 you know the niv says ignore if he ignores this he himself will be ignored but i notice when i look this up some translation says but if anyone is ignorant let him be ignorant so when you read back to what he what led to him saying that in verse 36 it says did the word of god originate with you and and that that's the whole problem here they they've elevated themselves where God should be. He's the one providing the gift. The Holy Spirit is providing the gift. For what?

To love people. To share Jesus with other people. To use all these gifts as one body to point to the head who's in control. You know, God's forever family, the relationships. Just like speaking in the various languages, what a gift that you could talk to the known world at that time, Al. You had the power with the Spirit's help to see. speak in their language and preach the gospel to them at the drop of a hat.

You're talking about a great gift and look at what they were doing with it and you're like, you're missing the point here. Well, they're saying, look at what I can do. Yeah. But what should be happening is you should be doing that as a sign, and we'll get into this later, so unbelievers will say, there must be a God. There is a God. And then when they say, oh, we're interested, then tell us how good God is.

They're like, no, we're going to tell you how awesome I am that God has chosen me to unveil this gift that you're now listening to. I think in that moment is what the problem was. And he's saying, I don't want you to be ignorant because you're being really ignorant of, you know what, me. You think somehow this is all about you. Like, you're more special. And look, you just think about the temptation of, you. of humanity. What causes wars and conflict and all. One of the common things that cause that is that people think they're better than other people. And Paul identified the source about spiritual

gifts, brothers. I do not want you to be ignorant. Now listen to what leads to this ignorance they have. You know that when you were pagans, so they had been converted, somehow or other, you were influenced and let us stray to dumb idols. Therefore, I tell you that no one who's speaking by the Spirit of God said Jesus is cursed and no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. There's different kinds of gifts but the same spirit. There's different kind of services but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working but the same God.

Works all of them and all men. So that's his logic. Y'all came out of some tough backgrounds. but you've missed where all this is coming from, the power of it all. And it's God in you through the spirit, and you're being ignorant about this. Yeah. Well, you just think about, you fast forward to today in all the modern churches. There's been more divisions and bitterness and people hollering at each other,

and I'm moving down the street over how these gifts or our belief on how, who has the gifts, and when they, should be revealed. If you can't do what I do, you're out. And I'm like, we're still seeing this. Because you think, well, this was written a couple thousand years ago. This doesn't happen. No.

People are still not showing love over the same issues. Somebody's like, well, I have this gift. Because when we get to 13, which is a tricky verse that I guess we'll probably devote a whole podcast to, about whether these things are still going on every one of these gifts in the full capacity like they were then. But I'll tell you this, no matter whether they are or not, the point is, make sure you realize that God is providing all this and what it's for. It's for our appreciation and humility towards God and our love for other people. I mean, that's what this is for. If you miss that, 2,000 years ago or you miss it now, you missed it.

Yep. So let's take a break. So a couple of things, Dad, you read that verse, dumb, idol. And by that, it doesn't mean dumb, like we use the word. He's talking about an idol can't speak. You know, God speaks. You know, Christ is the word. And so we talk about the spirit speaking through people.

So when you miss that, if you follow an idol, they're dumb. They can't speak to you. It's just it's there. It's made out of something that humans made. And it can't do anything. I can see how that could creep in to the church. You know, it's interesting in 4th, 1st, 1st, Corinthians 14. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.

I can go worldwide with no problem and preach the gospel to whomever I'm preaching to and they understand what I'm saying because I'm telling them in their language. He said, I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church, when there's nobody there that I need to speak their language to, in the church, I'd rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than 10,000 words in a tongue. He said, brothers, stop thinking like children in regard to evil, be infants. But in your thinking, be adults, that's a pretty strong statement to say,

you've taken these gifts and it's out of hand and it's not right. You're missing the ones who's giving you the gifts and you're not taking advantage of that. And you're all trying to outdo one another on who knows how many tongues and who can do the most and you're vying for a position and you're jumping up in the middle of the congregation and there's not any visitors there that even speak in the language you're hollering about.

The spirits enable them to preach to the gospel in their language. But how they're sitting there and there's not any foreigners in the house. I mean, look, only humans can find a way to take the awesomeness, the intellect, the wisdom, the grace, the power of God, and make it about them. Man. Or an hour. Oh, yeah. And a service.

Oh. I mean, it's pretty incredible. Look, as a duck call builder and Phil learned it from you, I think it's funny when he gets to 14-7, and he said, even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played

unless there is a distinction in the notes? And again, I think this was intended for humor, but that's just my opinion. If the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? I mean, I just immediately go to, here's the trumpet come out. You know, we're fixed to freedom, you know, as Bell Gibson going in front. And then it's just frah, frow, fow, looking around. What?

My point is, God designed this. even the things we use that are lifeless he he's the one that created this whole house the planet earth and all the things that make sounds and even the lifeless thing that's why i love that hebrews three four where it says every house is built by someone and god is the builder of everything i mean you see god even from unbelievers just in their talents and what they can do with a piano and just all these things that god has instituted but he's saying but they're for a use to to put you back to me to say oh look at all this creation and that goes back to the fundamental truth of how we got here because some everyone has to ask themselves the gifts weren't giving for the chaos that y'all have brought up here it's just like the way you know when it comes down to how we got here you've got two choices either Some random explosion of things there's no explanation for on how they existed blew up and provided perfect chemistry on a planet called Earth with all these things lifeless and life where they can be used in this in this harmonious way, which is just crazy to me. or there was an intelligent design to that.

There still could have been an explosion by the intelligent designer that if you had someone that is all wise and all powerful and has the ability to create matter, and he could make an explosion work in harmony. But even if there was no explosion, somehow you have to say, was this done on purpose by an intellectual being just the existence of everything, life and non-life,

or was it just a random explosion that produced chemistry? But based on my gut feeling and the amount of things that I have blown up in my life, I've never seen something blow up to be something perfect. Yeah. It's just the complete opposite. And I think that's kind of his point. When you take God out as the gift giver and the life giver, what do you got you got you got chaos then and it's about you making sounds even in this case like

speaking in tongue and they were like well you know we're going to speak in an angelic tongue why do they know what an angelic tongue was yeah the apostle pa makes a point follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts especially the gift of prophecy for anyone who speaks in a tongue a foreign language does not speak to men but to god indeed no one understands you him he utters mysteries with his spirit but phil that's what they say even today they're like we're speaking in an unknown tongue yep and that's what he was chastising them for yep but i'm saying even today there are people saying i'm not sure what i'm speaking it's an unknown tongue and the problem is the problem is what you originally said jays if if it's unknown if we can't know it

it doesn't do us any good. I mean, we're known to God. Where is faith, hope, and love? Yeah, in God, that's why I went back and did as a way I did. I mean, everybody thinks they know something, and then you do something that you don't know, and you're saying, oh, yeah, I know what I'm doing. I'm speaking in an unknown something.

Well, how do you know something that's unknown? Yep. Well, he speaks mysteries with his spirit. But everyone who prophesies just stick to prophecy, the Word of God, speaks to men, and here's what happens, for their strengthening, encouragement, and comfort. The ones who speak in tongues edifies themselves, but he who propheses edifies the church. I'd like everyone every one of it is speaking tongues, but I'd rather have you prophesize it. Well, and then he went on to say what you said earlier.

Then he said, I mean, because he spent a whole chapter on love that we've seen. skipped over that we'll have to go backwards to. But are you showing this love? Do you have faith and hope? And are you showing love? And I would rather you speak five intelligible words. Yeah. Just give me five.

I mean, pick five words that people can understand. And how about try that? I mean, I don't know. What an exoteric. I mean, it's like if you don't think they're immature, because that's something I would tell my kid. I'm like, look, just give me one sentence that makes sense right now. Let's do it in five words.

That's why by the time you get to 1st Corinthians 15, he said, let me remind you of the gospel I preach to you. So you don't forget here. And he brings them back to reality. You know, he said, I preach to you, taking your stand on it. By this gospel, you say, you need to hold on to what I've told you or you believe in vain. You know, then the death of Jesus is.

real and resurrection. He ties it all together. That was their problem. And to a pretty good extent, it's still a problem. Yeah, which is the ultimate end to the book, which we'll get to. We're out of time. But in our overtime segment, I want to talk about that, Jason. I want to talk about the purpose of why we still assemble together. And unfortunately, how many people miss that? The same problems they're going on here, all these thousands of years ago, still. go on today, which is unfortunate. So let's, uh, we'll talk about that in the overtime. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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