Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 441 | Jase Tells How To Stop Sinful Family Cycles & Phil Looks at the Relevance of God to America

Episode Date: March 11, 2022

Jase takes a look at families and how the current generation has the ability to break family cycles of sin through the power of Jesus Christ to begin a bright and clean legacy. Al discusses the balance between order and chaos and what it has to do with real love. Phil reviews an old survey on religion in America from 1965 and compares it to a recent survey to illustrate the relevance of God in American eyes, and Jase shows how it's hard to really love people when you only see them once a week inside the walls of a church building. And Al makes a great point about how the scriptures that people choose to quarrel over are the very ones that urge believers to be united in Christ. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed Get Uncanceled by Phil Robertson, available now: https://www.amazon.com/Uncanceled-Finding-Meaning-Accusations-Condemnation/dp/1400230179 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Dad, just got the news here as we're sitting on set that you have another great grandson. Oh, that's the... Yeah, Grant and Julie had their baby this morning. Yeah, which is an awesome blessing. We've been praying for them for a while. They said it's going to call me. So now, which is kind of interesting, we've talked about this before, when Jace became a grand father last year, that four of your five children are grandparents now.

Yeah. The only one left that doesn't have a grandchild is Jeff, but he does have a college age daughter, so it's just probably a few years before that happened. So I don't know, it's a remarkable thing when you think about it. Yeah, I'm glad I'm hanging around long enough to see him. It's kind of a morbid. But he's right. I mean, not a lot of people get to, you know, enjoy great-grandchildren.

I mean, where you're still of sound mind and body. And with the potential, that's what I said before we talked about this, was of really being able to experience great, great. I mean, you get into four people having them five with Phyllis, when you get that many having children, when you all show up at some kind of feed, and I'm on the hoop of footwork. Which one is that one?

No, well, Jay's had the solution. But, you know, Will and Corey keeps nixon it. He's right. We need name tags for the family. We've gotten to that place, you know, for the rest of us. Isn't that right, Jay? I think that's a good idea. I mean, because you have memory loss that mounts as you get older.

Yeah. I mean, I can't remember. I mean, you know, it's kind of like when you go someplace, you know, like if you're speaking, you don't have to necessarily wear a name tag because you've been advertised. Everybody knows who you are, but man, it would be helpful if everybody else had one on. Mom and dad wouldn't have to wear one or us, but especially all the little. So congratulations to Grant Julie to Phyllis and Tony. What's the, what they named the baby? Theodore.

Theodore. Yep. Are they going to call him Theo? I don't know. That's what we've been calling him. It's kind of already. So I don't know if that's probably going to stick as a nickname. And in the Robertson family, you know, you got your name, but that's never going to be your name.

I mean, you're always going to get something more or less. I mean, you're going to get some kind of a nickname. That's just kind of the way it works in the family. Well, there is something. to be said about leaving a legacy and trying to stop legacies that are headed the wrong direction. Yeah. Which is why we, you know, there are such proponents for adoption and foster care, different things. And, I mean, you want to break the cycle.

But I was had an interesting conversation over the weekend with, I had met a guy via Mr. McGuigan, who's been a mentor, you know, to me. through his study. The book, he's from Ireland. He's Irish, Jesus. He had introduced a fellow. His name was David Powers, and he went on to be with the Lord this past weekend. I'm not sure how his daughter got my number.

I guess Mr. McGuigan gave to her, but, and she was, you know, it's hard to have a conversation with someone you've never met, but she was just talking about his legacy, and I was like, well, let me just, Let me just tell you, because I get a lot of requests, oh, we're fans or whatever, but I knew this guy was doing the work for the Lord, I mean, and dedicated his life. And I think it was 90, so he lived a full life, but he actually had preached the Sunday before me.

He's still preaching at 90. And I said, let me tell you this about me. I gravitate, I pursue people who love Jesus and who are warriors for the Lord. So, because in our conversations that I had with him, which were all on the phone, but, you know, I enjoyed him. I was trying to learn something from him because I figured out real quick, this guy's a warrior. And sharp as a tack. Yeah, for the Lord. So I wanted to mention that.

I mean, she had a really good attitude, and because we talked about in the conversation, it's a legacy. You know, it's a torch that has passed on to us. and, you know, we don't retire. We just move to the main office, but then it inspires us. All the fires that him and his wife had put out there for Jesus or that God used them for. So I wanted to make mention of it.

I mean, it was a, we're sad because just the nature of life ends here. But, I mean, this is what we're all in on. So it makes me, it reigns, my fire to get Jesus out there and to work on families that can last forever. Because you think about it without the Lord, you don't have that option. Nope. It's just over.

Right. Which is depressing and causes fear and panic. We see that in our society. But for us, you know, being saved, Paul wrote that to the Corinthians. This is the power of God. I mean, I like living. I like being a part of a family. I want to live forever.

I want to, you know, figure out how to catch some crowds. up in heaven. Maybe. If it's better than that, it won't care because it's better than that. But I mean, well, and I always say we had a sister that responded yesterday at our church.

And our church has always been a very open place for people to come forward when they're hurting, you know. That's a nice way to say they will say anything. They'll say anything. And forgiveness and love and support. Well, it's been made safe at our church. And so people feel like they can share what's on their heart. So I had a young sister come down yesterday. I had done her, at least not had done her pre-marital wedding like 10 years ago.

It's hard to believe it goes by that quickly. And she just, she had such an honest response. But it was to what you were talking about it. I said, I'm tired of being angry at God about losing my grandmother. She's been gone over a year. And I'm just, I'm angry at God about it because she was so great and so awesome. And I miss her so much. And she was a part of my,

her kid's life, you know. And so she just, you know, it really has upset her. And so we had a sit there on the front row and had a conversation about that. And of course, we pray for it. But I realized what she meant by that was it's hard to say, we'll see you later. I mean, as a Christian, even, we believe in the resurrection, which we're going to talk about when we get there in 15. But at the same time, we miss each other for that period of time. And so what we talked about with her yesterday was being able to realize that your grandmother,

whatever realization she has now of she's run the race and I don't know if she's like soul sleeping or she has an awareness but trust me she wouldn't want to come back like once you make the crossover you don't want to come back until you're ready to resurrect

with your new body so I was like I realize that's affecting you because you're still here on the earth but you've got to think about it from their perspective I mean Paul said once I ran the race and gained the prize that's the ultimate So I was trying to, you know, present to her a different way of looking at this situation.

It's not just my loss. It's also her game. She may be listening now. We are always, 2nd Corinthians 5, we are always confident and know that as long as we're at home in the body where her grandmother was. We are away from the Lord. You're not quite there yet. We live by faith, not by sight. we're confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

There is something about, you know, you made it. Yeah. The godly know they made it. And it's like, whew. And the race. I'm on the other side of this thing, but I know I'm at home and with the Lord, and that brings me comfort. So at some point in there, we need to realize that it's not a blackout, or you wouldn't even be aware that you're. That's what I'm saying.

I really believe there's some awareness. Every time I'm wondering, every time I question, I don't know if the Lord uses this podcast I have on these moments because I was in 2 Corinthians 5 simultaneously. You turn there as he was reading. Contrary to popular belief, we don't really have a schedule. We really didn't. This is a big Bible and I'm at the same place,

and I'm not making the same point you are. But what's the point I'm going to make? And it goes perfectly with a point. you're making because I thought about this and look I've been guilty of this I've heard Al say it and I don't think it's a big deal because I think it's just semantics because people we use the term well they passed away well bad term well right and but I think why we do it is because we don't want to just say they died right that seems harsh it's like well he died so people came up with that because it sounds a little

little softer. However, the more I got to thinking about this, because I told you, this brother went on to be with the Lord, went home with the Lord. And so I was just, I've been thinking about that this weekend. I mean, because you always, you get to know people out there, even though it was a long-distance relationship, and I only talked to him a couple times, I like to have people in my inner circle that really love the Lord. That's the prerequisite. And I don't mean just say they love the Lord. It's just by their life, it's just obvious. There's no question. So I got to think about that term, and you just read that the first part of Second Corinthians file, well, here's what I thought is interesting. I had never thought about this for it. Y'all may have.

When he went down to verse 16, because he's fixed to talk about, which I know we're going to get into this when we get to say Corinthians, he started talking about the ministry of reconciliation and then we're God's or Christ's ambassadors as though God we're making this pill through us. He says this thing in verse 16. So from now on, we regard no one

from a worldly point of view. Now he said that because he just got through saying Christ's love compels us in 14 because we are convinced that one died for all and therefore all died.

meaning Jesus died for the sins of the world. He made it possible for us to be sacrificed for our sins through what he did. I don't know what else he could have meant by that. Like Romans 6, we all died to sin. And he died for all that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for him who died for them and raised again. So we don't regard people from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.

They just thought he was just some guy, you know, from the wrong side of the tracks, Nazareth. But after his resurrection, they thought, okay, let's have a different assessment on this guy. So then it says this, here's my point. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, so that means your old person has died because Jesus died for your old self. He is a new creation. The old has passed away. The new has come. So it hit me.

It is a correct term to use your old self as passed away when you're crucified with Christ. Because that's gone, which is the reason we probably shouldn't use that term for when someone physically dies. He ain't passed away. He's at home. Passed away is used. When you're crucified with Christ, therefore Christ was crucified on the cross, the old has passed away. That's gone.

He's gone. And to prove that, I just jotted down a few, and I won't go through them all. But I don't know how you can be any more clear about Him God, meaning, wanting you to understand what exactly happened. His purpose for Jesus dying for you. Just think of the phrases. Like Acts 3, 19, and 20, it says that our sins were wiped out. And 2 Corinthians 517, I just read, the old has passed away.

Colossians 2.11, it's been put off. Romans 6.6, the old self was crucified. 1 John 1, 7. He purifies us. You remember when Psalms when David said, he made me whiter than snow. He saved us not because of things we've done, but the washing of rebirth and the regeneration of the spirit.

I mean, he's made it quite clear. When you're talking about wiped out, Colossians 2, he canceled the written code that was against us. All these phrases, that guy, your old sinful self, is gone. Yep. It's passed away. But the new man, Romans 8, on the positive Romans 811,

if the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, it will also give life to your mortal body. That one didn't pass away. But I will say this. Let's take a break. to make a case for passed away in the physical sense is that when you die, your old body does pass away because it's going to be renewed in the resurrection. When your spirit comes back as in reunited with your body,

so in a sense, there is a change there as well. I mean, it's different. You're right, Jason, in the spiritual sense. He says that earlier in Second Amendment 5th, we're confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body, and you just said it, and at home with the Lord. You know you made it when you know you've left your body. The tent is put away. He starts out by saying we know that this tent we live in, if it's a store, we'll have a building from God.

So the tent passes away, but you don't. Which, by the way, we get a lot of questions about cremation. I mean, you got tons of emails. constantly about this. And we've said this before, but I want to say it again because I get so many questions that I know you're wondering about out there. Ultimately, if enough time goes by, everyone goes back into the ground, back to dirt. Invisible.

You know, it's just... Well, we have all these cultural beliefs about the dead. And, you know, it's like me. When I'm metal detector, treasure, you know, I don't go hunting in a graveyard, you know, because there's just a lot of beliefs out there that this is sacred and that you want to you want them to have peace and, you know, we say all these things. Now they're at. It would be, it would feel rude to do that, right?

I mean, like, there's some, because I think that's more of the culture and I wouldn't do it because I wouldn't want to offend someone. Right. My personal belief is it doesn't matter if a nuclear missile, like if someone launched a nuclear missile and you were the first thing it touched when it blew off. They're literally, you literally were vaporized. to me that has no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of your imperishable body that will come out. Correct. You are correct. I mean, all of a sudden, you're putting God in a box again.

He's creating people out of dust and a woman out of a rib. They're like, oh, but if I burn, if I get burned all the way down to ashes, there's no, there's no hope for me. Well, think about the. What? No, he just go, there you are. The thing about the biggest waste of money in the world is the, the way. water-tight casket. That's right.

I mean, they got them. And I'm like, you know, why? Because eventually, if it is in the ground long enough, trust me, the water, the earth, the physical. Well, they started doing that because, I mean, old brother Arthur made a movie about it. It's down in the south during certain floods, there have been caskets filled with dead people's bones floating around. Oh, it happened to, it happens to Louisiana all the time.

Yeah. Because down here, it rains. It floods. And you can't bury a hole deep enough to where it's going to happen. It's going to happen. See, you say, what do you do? It doesn't matter. I mean, if the person was in the Lord, the body, whatever matter that is left,

because, you know, we came up with a rule saying matter can't be created or destroyed. There's a glorified. They left out one phrase by people. Unless you're God. right well then he can take whatever's invisible and whatever the dust and the ashes and just you're i do i do find it interesting jace that that you're right we have that immutable law you know of in all of our laws we make up gravity thermodynamics all that but it is interesting that god and his infinite wisdom chose which he could create anything however he wanted out of thin

there, whatever. I mean, he started the whole universe, so I think he could do what he wanted. But he chose, I'm assuming as a symbol for us, to create Adam out of dirt from Earth, which is our home, and to create Eve from Adam, out of a rib. I mean, again, he didn't create her out of the same substance. He created her. I mean, created him. He created her something different.

But sort of, because he came from the dirt. Well, it is. That's right. But, I mean, don't you think it found it interesting that God could have done however he wanted to do it, but he did it that way? We're promised their glorified body. We're not that yet. So this is identified by Peter and Paul as temporary housing. We live in these bodies.

The way it works out is it wears out. All tents do. They're temporary. They just can't keep the thing. Can't keep it going. Can't keep it going. So he said when you get out of that phase, as soon as you pass on, the next phase is you're fully alive and you're cognizant of what's going on. You know you made it.

It's not the word past. And now you're looking at the next body that's ready. And when the sky parts and you look at Jesus, you say, who's you coming with? The souls and spirits of the saved. You say, why come back? The bodies. He's going to give you a glorified body. That's why he's coming back.

Well, we're jumping ahead, but actually, he answered the question in 1535 when he said, someone may ask, how are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come? He actually said that's a dumb question. How foolish. What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. Yep. When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be.

Yeah. Just a seed, perhaps wheat or something else. The key phrase is the next verse. God gives it a body as he is determined into each kind of seed he gives its own body. That's why you have all the crops out there. That's why I always go back to a watermelon seed or corn. Why are all these evidences that we take for granted that the non-God-believing world just they attach a word like photosynthesis or they analyze all this stuff?

but God's making it grow. You can't come up with the reasoning. He puts an acre and then a come back 100 years and you're like, what? Huh? And they're like, oh, that's photosynthesis, Jay. Well, who is that? I mean, that's the greatest thing ever.

I mean, we just come up with terms and phrases because we literally can't wrap our head around what's going on around us. But not only is it a, not only is it a, you know, bull oak tree, but all around it are other oak trees that have come out of the same acres, you know. Thousands. Well, it's got a different body. So I tend to think when I go under the ground or even if I'm hit by the missile, when I come back, it's like the acre and the oak tree.

I mean, I'm liable to look vastly different. I mean, you probably recognize me. I mean, that's God's call on that. So I'm looking at it more like that. It's God gives it a body. We're planting the seed. And, I mean, Jesus came back, but all his bells and whistles of his body were quite spectacular. He was able to shape, shift, everything that a Hollywood movie has tried to do, he pulled it off.

I mean, he could change the way he looked. He could go through invisible walls. He could fly without any kind of mechanical device. See, so, I mean, don't let Arnold Schwarzenegger steal your faith, you know, when he said, I'll be back. No, we will be back for real, not just something in a movie. Well, I mentioned last podcast, I mentioned Job, which Job is just full of nuggets of wisdom. But you remember when he lost everything in the first chapter, his kids, he lost all his possessions, in a puff of smoke, he lost everything. He fell to the ground in worship and said,

naked I came from my mother's room and naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away. May the name of the Lord be praised. And I saw when we look at death and we look at how we came and how we go. And you're here for that section of time. I mean, ultimately we worship God. We praise them and we realize that eternity does matter. It's riding on it.

It's riding on it. I mean, everything rides on it. Everything rides on it. which is very powerful. So I think that's a, anyway, back to, I don't know where we got down this rabbit hole, but it's powerful idea that, oh, we were talking about people mourning, and trying to figure out how to mourn the right way. And I do appreciate the sister for, honestly, she was saying, I'm hurting in this,

but so we're trying to console her to let her know that, look, that's the cycle of what God wants. I mean, we're going to live here, but ultimately we praise him, you know, for our life, live, which is what we should do. let's take a break so i think in a way we've kind of you know swerved into what i wanted to talk about today to set us up for first anthems 14 last podcast dad i thought had a brilliant point about the language side of it that this church is struggling with because of these spiritual gifts and how you have to you go back genesis 11 and axe 2 is really on the only two other places you see you know where this comes from and why it's so powerful and then we get

into in the Corinthian church and they're having some issues. But I want to go back a little bit. I preached a sermon this past week because we're a little bit behind in our sermon series and we're on the podcast from First Corinthians 11. And which really starts this section from 11, 12, 13, and 14. It's kind of a new set of issues that the Corinthian church is dealing with. And we've already dealt with what's in 11, which was women and men. and what was going on with that, but then also about the Lord's Supper, which they were having

issues with how they were treating each other. And then we had the love chat. We had the spiritual gifts because, you know, they were, people were putting too much emphasis on this person or that person and I got this gift, you got that gift. And then we get to 13, which talks about kind of the encompassing thing that makes it all work. They were lacking true love for one another. And so we got into that.

And then we're about to get into 14, which is kind of the issues they were having with those gifts. This is how they were misapplying it. But before we got there, I wanted to bounce this off of what I talked about yesterday as a setup because when we talked about it before, I didn't dive quite as deep into it as I did this last week. So part of the issue, I think, and going back to 1st, Corinthians 11, was because when you get to 14, he talks about orderly. He uses that word later in the chapter, orderly. When you're together, it's not orderly. You know, And the same thing with what was happening with the Lord's Supper. And I thought about that idea of God's order.

You know, why do we have order? You know, what's the purpose of order? Because we'll talk about in our current culture about law and order. You know, we want to be able to have order so that we can have peace so that we can have functionality, right? I mean, we, to have that in a society. Without love, it's his point to them. It won't be orderly. Exactly.

You'll have care. Right. I mean, that's what it creates, chaos and confusion. Every time. So we made the point in First Corinthians, 11, which I fully agree with, that the whole issue there is about veils and hair and coverings and this and that. And people have made so much about all that through the years. But it really boiled down to really a simple thing.

Men who were made men should look like and act like men. Women who were made by God in his order from man. should look like and act like a woman. I mean, that's what was happening in this problem in the Corinthian church. And he goes in all these different ways of describing it. So I talked about that yesterday about why God creates us. But one of the things we miss, I think, when the idea about the order of God, is it just because God has an order doesn't mean he values anybody any differently.

In other words, inside the Godhead itself, you have the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, right? Well, none of those are values. any less within the deity. In other words, the son, because he says, I submit to the father, that doesn't make him less valuable as being part of who God is. Same with the spirit who Paul said is the mind of Christ, who lives in us. So his role is different. And so it's the same thing with the roles of men and women, roles of husband and wife,

roles of mom and dad. Races of people. That applies to everything. Yeah. We're all valued as masterpieces. made by God Almighty on purpose with a plan. So I felt like that when I went back through that and preached that sermon, that it really brought back to the forefront of the main problem going in in Corinth,

by their lack of love, by their division and trying to hold up men instead of God, all the things we've been reading about, that ultimately they just were getting out of what God called them to do. If you're getting drunk on the wine that represents the blood of Jesus that removed your sins and you're getting drunk over it, you've got a real problem here. That's exactly right. I mean, really in any setting, that wouldn't be inappropriate, but especially when you were coming together, right, to glorify God in the process. That's why about spirits or gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. That's why that statement is there before he begins his discussion. Right.

You're getting drunk on the blood of Jesus, and you're supposed to be remembering that you were bought and paid for. Right. Are y'all crazy? I mean, basically, I'm just putting words in his mouth, but, you know, these three remain, after the first look into gifts and the problems they had with it, I'll show you a better way. These three remain, all these other things, give it time,

and they'll all pass away. Right now, this Bible, they're having the original letters. It's in book form now. Right. You see what I'm saying? Yep. Before this became in book form for everybody

in their own language worldwide, now this should show you the way right here. Love's the way. Faith, without it, you can't be saved. Hope, the resurrection's there for the taking. and love, but the greatest of these is love. So his point is, and I just put it in about three sections, if I come to you and speak in tongues of the languages,

what good will I be unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy? We have all the prophecy written down now, Al. We go by the book now, but they didn't have this. Well, you just think about how much difficult it be, if you didn't have the scriptures like we now have in front of us today, if you didn't have that as research material, you'd be all over the board. You see what I'm saying?

I can see how it's the pains of childbirth kind of situation. Well, and you've got to recall, the church here is new. Yeah. I mean, it's only been established, you know, a little bit of time here. And a lot of members are coming out of that temple up there. That's right. We're all the horse stay, and they're all coming down in here. And to put it mildly, this was a, to use an old rock and roll term, this was a motley crew.

You know what I'm saying? Down to where you couldn't even tell what it was you were talking to a man or a woman. It just created a lot of friction within the body. Which is why the gender issue and not understanding. It's still here. It's still here. Still here. And in fact, you know, I said that yesterday, Dad, and our.

culture without thinking about the glory of God. Because that's what we're talking about here. How do we bring God glory? How do we lead other people to him? Because remember that section started 11. Follow my example as I follow the example of Christ. Yeah, one of our convertees, a guy that we help help out, he lived that particular lifestyle for 15 years.

So he came out of it. He's now going around all over the United States, pointing people to Jesus. and he said he was telling me yesterday he said there was people he was talking to that he couldn't he didn't really know what they were a man or a woman right he said he worked with some over the weekend he just he said you don't even know what you're talking to right i had the same yep and i on our last trip there was a person turned around because i was actually filming on my phone like because we were headed to our next TV. So they,

it's so difficult now to film in the airport system because everybody has a mask on and all this stuff, you know. So I was like, I'm not filming myself with a mask on in the airport because they just said, well, just film yourself, y'all, y'all coming up here. I was like, hey, I'm, I'm on one side of the camera and you're on the other.

But anyway, I said, well, I'll see what I could do. So I thought, well, I'll film out the window. just not us. I thought it'd be too weird. I was like, they're going to run that anyway. So I'm like setting my phone up, you know. Well, I'm goofing off because I'm filming. You got to realize the show, kind of like our little duck show,

it's an embellished version of this. Right. So I said, and I said it loudly because I'm filming myself, that it actually may be on TV. I said, let me get a, let me film this in case this thing crashes. Well, when I said that, The person in front of me, man or female, I do not know, said, well, we don't want this to crash. It caused fear.

And the person said, well, where are you from? And I said, Louisiana. And they said, well, I'm sorry to hear that. You idiot. But anyway, I made this person mad. I don't know what's that. But I was discussing, was this a male or female? Jeff was like, no idea.

I was like, I don't either. I just, you could not tell. Well, my, that's what Jeffrey, that's the guy's name that we converted out of that background. And he, and he has done wonders with just pointing them to Jesus and will love him. And he's telling me about the ones who got out of that particular lifestyle, 20 years living with the same sex. He said, they're on their path of faith now. So he said, well, and that's, that, that was my point. Let's take a break.

My point is, God has an order. He has an order of how he made things, how he is, how he is in his own, because we're creating his image. When we get out of that order, we lose functionality, peace, you know, trust, love. And what we gain is chaos, confusion. And wouldn't you say in this current movement we're talking about with what you were describing, Jay's, most of the time, you don't have to follow it very long before we see chaos, confusion.

It's there. I mean. And I'll say this, I was engaging. Because I didn't want to burn a bridge. Because then it led to, you know, I said, well, I'm filming and, you know, introducing ourselves. But I was very, at no time did I say. anything about my confusion or laugh or even wonder because I thought there's value this person

is made by God. Right. That's right. And they may be confused or, but maybe they're not, but I'm confused. Yeah. So, and I know. That's my point is that, and you're trying to introduce them to the God of order. Well, right.

You know, and who can change their life. I think the problem is I don't want to get like controversial, but we, when we shared this in I just think a lot of people look around and they think, man, there's a lot of bad people here. And there's a lot of good people. There's a lot of confused people there. But we can all agree that we're all different. And the things we share, you know, we all make mistakes and different things. And we're all going to die, things like that.

But I think people, when they see bad things happen, they're like, well, there can't be a God. If there was a God, why don't he just wipe these people? people out you know we see this war going in in in Ukraine but I think Paul addressed that Romans 9 and we went through it and I think having the context matters but if you just pick out a couple verses where it says Romans 9 20 says but who are you a man to talk back to God shall what is form say to him who formed it why did you make me like this which I don't think we there's a few people that I know that struggle with just their identity,

and they ask that question, why did you make me like this? I don't like this. So they either get angry at God or, but a lot of us, more than a few, we like to look at other people and say, well, why did you make them? Or, you know, or why don't you take them out? Or you can't be loving or you wouldn't do that.

So then he says, does not the potter have the right to make out of the same, lump of clay, some pottery for noble purposes, and some for common use. And I think people really have a problem with that. If there's a guy, why would God make people who grow up and kill other people? Yeah. I mean, why don't he just control the situation? But, I mean, my answer would be he just creates the process of which we all find

ourselves ultimately dependent on him. All of life's tragedy and difficulty. It's a choice one makes. Yeah, leads you to saying there's a God. I'm not him. But I would really, I really need him. He made me for a purpose. It's just I'm not saying I have all the answers.

I just think this is the frustration that he was trying to address that people have. He didn't make a bunch of robots. We all have choices. No choice. But, you know, I think the more we've moved away, culturally from just a godliness in general, even if you weren't a true believer, but it permeated. What was the stat mom gave you for the... In 1965, they did a survey, and 75% of America said religion is a serious factor that should be lifted up and held up and practiced for a nation.

It was 1965. Almost 60 years ago. Almost 60 years ago. Year I was born. They did one recently, and that group now has dropped down to 49% say religion is relevant in today's culture. It's dropped from 75 to 49. And that's my point. I kind of thought that is about half of us, but now 320 million people or so, half of them saying religion,

Nah, you don't need that. Right. And again. I'm discussing here on this podcast for our listeners. Half of us are saying, I don't care about all that. And to Jay's makes this point a lot, and I agree with them, a lot of that's our own fault. And I say our meaning religious or faithful people. Because we've put out, we've taken something so good and wonderful and turned it into a bad product for people, which is unfortunate.

But it happens. So my point is, the further we move away from God's estate. established order, and people don't even know, even by association. We're going to create more chaos, more confusion, more opportunities for war and anything against love, which is what we were talking about in First Corinthians. It calls for love and forgiveness, repentance and forgiveness to be always front and center. Faith, hope, and love. You say, you know, the greatest of these is love. You see that. You're like, yep, we need to be aware of that.

But it's hard to love people once a week in a building. Not enough. No, that's all that's all you got. Jesus said, go all authority in heaven earth has been good to me, go make disciples of all nations, you know, baptizing the name of the Father and Son, the Holy Spirit. So you fast forward a couple thousand years, and it's like the American model is just a series of tents scattered throughout the nation.

You know, by going anywhere. I mean, they go to the building and they go home and then live there. life. So I'm saying I think that's part of what happened. It became trying to believe everything right. Just a little ritual. Yeah, instead of promoting

who God is through Jesus in your everyday life and how you act and your character. 168 hours in a week and a couple hours you drive two miles to the local church sit there and listen to whatever happens. You get up

And that's the last time you think about that. It just doesn't go deep enough. It's not enough training, not enough thought. It's just not enough. But you've got to live, though, I'm saying in real life, I mean, even like I'm doing this TV show, it's a worldly venture, let's face it. But I'm trying to use it as a platform to get the gospel out.

But what I was going to say is the inner workings of it, like the showrunner had an action. accident happened in her family and she was supposed to be here but this traumatic event happens she calls me and she's like I don't know what to do I'm like what are you talking about you're not coming here you take care of your family's way I'm worried about this compared you know it'll be all right this is in the Lord's hand what I'm saying is it wasn't Sunday morning I didn't have to hear sermon over this to value people in a situation to me that's where you live of like Christ.

You're like, if this, you know, when something traumatic happens, you do what the Lord would want you to do. You deal with it. Yeah, you deal with it. And it doesn't matter that it was Sunday morning. Well, through that, obviously that led to having more spiritual conversations because it was shocking that I would just say, well, don't we have an agreement?

Don't you have a job here? I was like, oh, you take as long as you need. You know, God's got this. Let's take our last break. No, that's a perfect point, though, Jay, to my point, is that you mentioned my production, because we were in production for so long in our other show, the other little duck show, that if you don't have God as the ultimate, whatever your organization is, whatever, if that's not determining your value in your order, then you'll come up with,

you have to have some other way to establish order. Well, most says the contract. Well, the contract says this, and we've got to do that. Now, I've got something I can't control, some situation beyond my control, but it really needs to be dealt with. And what you did was say, I don't care about the contract. I care about you. Oh, yeah. That's the difference.

You see what I'm saying? I've made a couple of handshake deals on contracts that people were shocked. And my advisors, because we all have our team, said, what are you doing? And I was like, well, because I don't care in this case if I'm done wrong. So they don't pay me. So they go back on the work, fine with me. I got enough to get by. It's not like, but I'm willing every once or a while when the situation sets up to make a spiritual decision out of principle.

Because to me, that's going to lead to how I can share why I'm doing this, which is my hope and trust and faith is in a greater power. And ultimately, I believe I'll be resurrected. Which, by the way, was the point of the whole Old Testament is if you put it down to having to do, find hope and eternity in the letter of the law, you will always find yourself lacking. So what we tend to miss when you read about languages, when you get to First Corinthians, by the time you get to 14, I'll just give you this right quick. Follow the way of love, you Corinthians, and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. That's one. If I come to you and speak in tongues,

What good will I be to you unless I bring some kind of revelation or knowledge or instruction? That's two. Verse 10, undoubtedly there's all sorts of languages in the world. Yet none of them is without meaning. There's no saying as a tongue, a language that nobody knows what it is. None of them is without meaning. Verse 18. Thank God.

This is throughout the final wrap-up for Paul. the Corinthiansthians. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. He said, I can speak in any language. I go worldwide from where I started. But in the church, I'd rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than 10,000 words in a tongue, and you could add that they don't understand. Brothers, he tells them this. He started with, I don't want you to be ignorant. He ends with, brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil, be infants, but in your thinking, be adults. Then he makes this point going out.

Tongues then are assigned. Not for believers, but for unbelievers. They've never heard about Jesus. You've got the power to speak to them in their language. Prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. If the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues and some do not understand or some unbeliever comes in, will they not say you're out of your mind? But if an unbeliever and someone comes in does not understand,

he comes in while everybody's prophesying that he can understand, he'll be convinced by all that he's a sinner and be judged by all and the secrets of his heart be laid bare. If he's understanding what you're saying, you'll never do it unless you're speaking his language. So he'll fall down and worship and say, God is real. And then verse 33,

God is not a God of disson. order but of peace. And then he gets the 1st Corinthians 15 and he says, look, let me remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preach to you, which you've received and on which you've taken your stand. He's talking about what happened to get them there, to begin with. By this gospel, you're saved. That's what saves you. None of this other stuff. If you hold firmly to the word I preach to you, otherwise you've believed in vain. You just need to keep it, get back to Jesus and your faith in his death, burial, and resurrection.

Because what I received, I passed on to you, and this explains it, as the first importance. This is the most important thing. Not all of what y'all are jumping up and down about who cannot do who on the tongues. Christ died for our sins,

according to the scriptures. He was buried, that he was raised on the third day. So that's pretty well the way the Apostle Paul tied to the time. tied it all together at the end, and it makes sense to me. What are you supposed to walk away with here? You're supposed to walk away saying,

I need to focus on the gospel of Jesus. Yeah. Loving people. Yeah. Having faith and hope, and then sharing that with the world. I'm not sure why all this other stuff gets thrown around. The evil one steps in, does he, puts his licks in there, but, you know, I go back to getting drunk at the Lord's Supper.

What I'm saying is I see a lot of religious people arguing over 1 Corinthians 14 and arguing over 1 Corinthians 12 and 1 Corinthians 11. And that's right in the middle of two of the greatest chapters. And that's right in the middle of... 13 love. And what it says is don't be arguing with one of the other. And 15, we're talking about reminder of the gospel and the whole thing is about the resurrection. Yeah. I'm like, have we missed something here?

There were a lot of them in there, amazing as it sounds. If it's preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, I wonder if this was a problem. How can some of you say that there's no resurrection of the dead? So the problems were deep here, deeper. And there was causing all this chaos. He's trying to straighten it up. Hey, people.

Who am I? I'm just some redneck down on the riverbank, but I'm like, you know. Well, we have a little more time to finish. that tie that thought off before we get to 15. Couple of things I mentioned here in closing. Uncanceled. Still for sale, Amazon.com, wherever you buy books. Be sure to pick you up a book.

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