Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 442 | Jase Wrestles with the Animal Kingdom & Phil Feels Strange Visiting Town

Episode Date: March 13, 2022

Phil explains how strange it feels to go to town every four or five years when you make your home in ... the woods. Jase shares a hilarious story about the ebb and flow of the animal kingdom amid suburban living, and Al reminds us that we were sent as humans by God to rule over the Earth, including all the animals that roam it. Phil discusses unity in society and how bizarre it is to have a desire for justice against evil, yet completely disregard the possibility that the devil or even evil exist. And Jase explains how love is actually a daily choice rather than something we do when we feel like we love someone. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Well, I'm having a... I should have a wear another hat. This is a weird-looking hat I'm wearing. It's kind of got a... I always think of medieval. It should... It should be inside, like, some armor. Yeah, it's like a, you know, on a tank going by. Yeah, that's right. Like one of the tank guys or a knight on a horse.

It's like a... I've had about three people in the post. say, like at a convenience store, say, where'd you get that hat? And I've said the same thing. I don't know. It just showed up. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know where.

Some time you don't have an answer for the particular wardrobe you ended up in. Well, I notice, you know, I hate to put genders in a box. But these women, they talk. all the time where they get stuff and things are on sale. Yeah. Because Missy asked me, she's like, where did you get that hat? I said, I don't know. I said, you don't like it?

And she went, no. So based on that, on that response, you're not sure if the people of the convenience store were saying that because they wanted one or because they're like, what's wrong with you for wearing? So weird. Our culture is so weird because most people, they feel proud of like, where. wearing something that other people like, especially my wife. They have all these tall. But I don't care. It doesn't bother me.

It doesn't bother me that you don't like my hat. I'm proud of that. Right. You don't have to make me feel better about, I'm no fashion guru, obviously. So. Well, and also. I retreated from the, you know, standard procedure. We live in a town of about.

Westmore is about 30,000. 30,000, 35, 30, 40,000 across the rivers. Once you put it together, it's about 60, yeah. You know, if you don't ever for about a decade, go to town, get out of the vehicle in a parking lot, if you don't ever do that. And after about a decade, there's a book signing. You're the one to line it up, I guess. We got a little book signing here. It wasn't exactly me, but yeah, I was a part of it.

I got me a couple bodyguards just in case. You know how much we've deteriorated in the last decade. I said, because I haven't been shopped or been inside a, that we had one. Unless the longer you're away from the public, you're a little more paranoid. You've broken out the Kevlar, the bodyguard. It was the strangest thing for a decade, and I walk in. You know, this place called Books a Million. And I look and around.

Were there a million books in there? Yeah. Or more. And I just looked around, you know. If you don't ever go into a particular part of the forest, you have no idea of what's going on in that particular area. I walked in there and I was just looking around. Were there other people in there?

Yeah, there were a few people sitting around that, You know, is that place still in business? It's still in business. There wasn't a large crowd that had gathered for sure, so maybe not enough advertising or maybe a profit's not accepted in his hometown. I don't know. I think it was the lack of advertising and marketing to be honest. I looked around, you know.

And, of course, the few people that walked up there, you know, and I signed a few books, they knew me. But, of course, I had no idea on just the end. the flow of city life, but if you stay away from it for 10 years, you go, it's a strange feeling. I mean, you're talking about feeling like you're out of your element. If you don't do something for 10 years, you don't participate at all. You've removed yourself from, except for your Sundays.

I think you've fallen through a crack of civilization. Well, it was a strange feeling. I was looking around. I just didn't feel, what's the word? I just didn't feel like I was comfortable. Yeah, I was just watching people of the walk and they'd come in and walk around and looking at books and I think. Strange, huh? Here's what they did.

Very strange. I was thinking they were all, they seemed strange and they're looking over at me thinking, who is that? Well, you are strange, so. No, I'm not. I mean, I think you are. I think that's okay. That's why I'm saying. It doesn't hurt my feelings that people don't like my hat.

I wouldn't do that at all now that I'm. I went back after a decade. I haven't shopped or been in a... They did film one little blurb about when I gave my woman the necklace. They filmed that. You went to a jewelry store. It was like to a jewelry store. And they had the camera set up and I walked in.

It was Phyllis' child. It was more or less an act. You know, so I didn't even count that one. I think that was a good mood, though. You did get it. Yeah. You got to keep your best friend happy. Right.

And that was a, you know, every 40, 50 years, you might already go to the town and buy or something. You know, but people are... I was kidding. At least. You know, shopping is not what it used to be. You see what I'm saying? Well, you don't... But you're saying that from down on the Riverbank.

If you go out... If you go to Walmart... Never have been much of a shopper. But the duck call thing, we went out, we met with the public, and we'd go to this little thing, you know, and we'd have a little booth set up. They're still doing that.

Shop was interacting, yeah. But now, the only interaction I have, I sit in my chair and at 7.30, someone's, bang, on the computer is going to come on and I interact with that person. Yeah. You know, I'm just, it's a computer. I'm looking at them. They're looking at me. But that's the only interaction I actually have Sunday morning. You need to get out more. You need to get out more. Maybe do a late year resolution. That's right. A little shopping tour.

I don't know what you could do. But maybe UMSK could, uh, It's a very uncomfortable feeling when I get in a vehicle driving amongst other people driving around. Why is this funny? And it seems weird. It was like some kind of deep psychiatric evaluation of civilization. I don't know. It's just town living, you know. Yeah.

Well, I mean, Phil, look, you got to realize I'm up there on the cutting edge. I guess I'll devote. I thought about bringing this up last time. But just a constant dose of this, Jace. Well, let me tell you my struggle. We're roaming around on streets and going into these places. Here's my struggle for them. Just a constant diet of that.

I mean, I think they're going to. I said this will drive you nuts. I hope I'm not going to break a law by sharing this. But so here's the deal. We had this situation come up a few years ago where I wanted some chickens. And oh no, we're in, in, are we in the city limits? No. We're not.

But we have this HOA thing. It's been well documented. People have followed our family. I've had a run in battle with them. We do a little skit on the TV show, our little duck show, and I throw them under the bus mercilessly. Well, in real life, you know, I heard these people's feelings because it's all basically family or married-in family that live in our neighborhood.

And so they got to analyze in their policies, and they thought, you know, this is borderline ridiculous. So they made a few changes. So I thought, well, I won this war. I have fought civilization in the rule system. And it's just ridiculous that you can't have your own chickens. So now. You wanted some chickens.

And they said, no, that's not allowed. It doesn't seem like that request is way out there and left field. I need a few chickens. Well, in all the papers that we saw, when we moved in the neighborhood, one of them in the fine print said that you had to go along with these HOA. I didn't even know what HOA was. I mean, I signed it. No chickens and the rules on the, what's it?

I think it said no farm animals. You couldn't. It wasn't just chickens. You couldn't have a pig. A cow. You can't have a cow. You can't have goats. No pigs.

And so, well, they got embarrassed when the show comes out, so they made some changes. Well, I'm said all that to say this, what's happened in the last two weeks. So now I've seen a fox. I mean, it's the biggest red fox I've ever seen. And I've been in the woods my whole life. And he's prowling throughout the neighborhood. Twice he's been right at my neighbor's. He keeps his chickens pinned up because one time he let them out and they call it,

they refer to it as the massacre of all the kids were crying. Oh, I witnessed that. Where you have chickens, the foxes will gather. Well, this one has showed up. And so about three days ago, I get up. It's like, I don't know, six o'clock in the morning. Sun's just coming up. I'm cleaning my coffee pot up.

I look up in my front yard in between my mailbox and where I'm looking out. And that fox is just standing there in my house. yard. Of course, I get my gun. And of course, I look at my two little dogs and say, what do y'all doing? There's a fox in our yard, you know, so I get the gun, try to get a shot. I had one shot, but there was too many houses in the background. I didn't want to shoot. So I thought, because he, that fox is trying to get the chickens, my neighbor's chickens. And we have an arrangement. I do all their wood chopping, you know, when we had the hurricanes come through. I did all that for free because I love my neighbor,

but they've been supplying me with fresh eggs. This is the arrangement we have. That's the old ways, Dan. Yeah. So two different times I've caught this fox trying to break in their henhouse, and they said, we'll keep giving you eggs as many as you can eat if you'll take care of this problem for us. Because that's what I'm good at.

I'm like, I'll take care of the fox. So while you're there before you go any further, I just talked to Curly Don. First time I converted him when he was about 17. He's a teenager. And now he's, what, 50? He's Jason's age, yeah. So sometimes it's past.

Stay away from numbers. I haven't seen him in 25 years. Well, he rolled in there. I don't know about that. And he told me what we need. He was talking about y'all mainly. He said, they're making. in air rifles now. It's silent. It's no sound. You can't hear the door. And they've got

them up 250 caliber. I mean, but he said a 25 caliber would do it. What's the range on this? Oh, you know, for a fox, that fox standing in the yard, you would have been not, you wouldn't have made a sound. And he'd have a piece of lead right in between his eyes. Well, we got to kill the fox. If you're going to be. be in the subdivision and to get around a lot of the rules. Well, here's what I was going. You need a hair raffle, not a, you know, stick your shot. I'm not worried about the sound, you know, of the gunfire.

I'm outside the city limits. What I am worried about is then my wife, because I was telling her giving the play by play. But she's like, well, some of the neighbors, they're posting pictures of this fox. They're like, oh, look at this cute little guy. Uh-uh. You see? So now I'm like, well, wait a bit.

A rabies carrying garment. This fox is coming out in the daylight trying to kill all these chickens that everybody has now. Oh, yeah. Because they deem that organic. And I'm like, do y'all not see the problem here? You either got to go to the woods and get the fox way away from here, or you're going to have to shoot this fox if you want to chickens. Because he's not going to let up.

He's already letting his guard down. Because why? Because everybody's taking pictures of him. and they're domesticated. I mean, it's not wild, which is dangerous. You know, I got little dogs and everything else. I mean, this is a big fox. So you said, well, in the civilized world, what they say is, will you call somebody?

But you know what they do? They call somebody like me. And they go and they kill the fox. You see what I mean? Once they lose that, once they're no longer wild, he becomes dangerous. So somebody, and I believe this is God's sanctioned, humans have to come. control the ebb and flow of the animal kingdom. That's what we do.

We have a problem. This fox is running rampant and wants to kill all our chickens. And we're in a civilized place. Since I don't have chickens, within, I'd say it's about 150 yards up the hill. You come down a little hill and you're in a, we have a little pocket there right on the riverbank. and we have a multiple fox dens where they raise and all holes in the ground. There are just multiple holes in the side of the bank. And it is a mecca for foxes.

They, we see. You're in the woods. Every year we see the little. It's fine out here. We see the mama fox and we see the old daddy fox. And then they're having the young foxes every year. so they're not bothering me at all. Unless you decided to start having some chickens, then you'd have.

You can't have a bunch of chickens and have foxes running through the neighborhood. We don't have chickens, so they're not a threat to me. And I said, you know, ever a fox for himself, y'all make it, you know, if y'all get bass to dogs. I would love the fox. Hang on, Jay's let's take a break. But I love eating eggs better than I like posting pictures of fox. on Facebook. It's a continuing scrap in the midnight hours.

But Jason's tapping. Of animals having fights. My dogs having fights with bobcats, foxes, and armadillas and everything, possums, tomb. My dogs have just quit. They just. But look, Jason's right. He's tapped into something because I just thought about this.

one of my neighbors, a lot of people live in Alabama where we are there, they live part-time there and part-time some other place. And so there's one couple that's from a big city. And so one of my other neighbors was telling me that they had seen two copperheads, you know, right there in front of, right at the doorstep. You know, a copperhead, they'll get right at the doorstep. Yeah, we killed two in our yard three days ago. So my neighbor finds out of his way, so I got to get over there and kill them things.

And so he mentions that. He said, look, I'll take care. that for you because you know they're kind of big city folks and they're like oh no no no we i mean we we would never kill a snake you know they're they're part of the ecosystem and they go into this whole thing and i thought would you rather us die well that's what neighbors say he said hey i got two dogs you know i i don't want to copperheads slithing around our our yard here is dangerous we got little kids we got plus i told them the story about mack owen you know they like to get right there at the bottom of the steps you take a step over one and he'll just zap you right on the heel.

That's where these two were they had crawled up under some, you know, you know, the beautify of the landscape. Miss Kay got with some guy and he put rocks, you know, some rocks on the side of the slope there going down to the riverbank. Right. And he put some rocks here there and under, well, them copperhead, you know, that's perfect for the end. Oh, they blend right in.

Yeah. That's what our, some guy was cleaning up the flyer beds other day. we converted them way back. I can't remember what the name would. But anyway, but he was just pointing out the fact that, you know, he killed two copperheads right there in the yard.

I mean, about 20 feet from the front steps. So in that case, you know, they just react. You know, you got your woman there. She's walking around out there looking at the flowers.

And, you know, if it's snake infested, you'll kill the snakes. Well, yeah. Well, in our society, they wait,

you know, a bear malls of family, and then they go kill the bear. I would say I've killed 100. Once the bear leaves the woods and gets in your yard, take him out. I've killed 100 at least more, probably, through the years of porous snakes that would really be detrimental to your health. Right.

Well, I take it back to the five-foot rattlesnakes are five feet long and you look at one of them. You say, oh, you'll- I take it back to the very beginning. Last podcast, we talked about God's order, how he made man, woman, two. rule the earth. That was the way he put it. And if we're to rule it, that means that things that will damage us in the rulership, you know, that's just the law of the God's order. Well, the problem is when you don't answer the question how we got here,

if your answer is not the God above, well, then you get into thoughts like, well, this is where we came from. We're actually us and the animals, and then we're going to live in harmony. and that works until someone gets clawed or eaten by an animal. I thought about you, Jay. I was watching, I wish I remembered the guy's name, but I don't. It was on an interview, and I just kind of came into it, but it was on a new show.

But what struck me was he mentioned your questions. He said, here's the way he put it. He said, fewer and fewer people are asking the most important questions. And then he hit your questions. It was like, you know, why am I here? What is my purpose? How do I get here? What am I doing here and how am I leaving?

Those three questions are you? He worded a little differently, but it was your questions. And he was like, his observation was fewer and fewer people are even asking that question. You know, they just don't think about it anymore or whatever. I mean, I didn't see the old way. It's bad for society when you can't answer those three questions. Yeah, or women, it doesn't even come up anymore. You're so caught up in the minutia.

It is an interesting little text while y'all are there. ask Job, this is Job 12, ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds of the air, they'll tell you, or speak to the earth, and they will teach you, or let the fish of the sea inform you, which of all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this? in other words put them there in his hand this is an interesting statement because a guy wrote me a letter and he said he believes that he'll have his favorite dog that passed on a few months back the dog died and he said i think he'll be there in eternity but anyway which of all these things do you not know that the hand of the lord has done this

when you look at the animal world, the fish and all of it. In his hand, in God's hand, Job's talking, is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind. So that's a pretty interesting text about the animal world, God even knowing them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, the question would be, you know,

are you going to have your pet dog in heaven? Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't know. You know, dogs are interesting because they do have a spirit. There's no doubt about it. It's the soul part that they don't have because there's no conscience. But they do have a spirit.

So I don't know. Maybe all animals do, but I know for sure a dog does because you can be around one and realize they're high-spirited, they're low-spirited. I mean, you got a person out of them. You might want to make a comment. I have. There is a movie that said all dogs go to heaven. Yeah. I don't have a problem with it.

I don't either. I put them any other, you know, animal in heaven. I ate some crappie last night. Yeah. I sent them on to that great crappie lake beyond. But I wonder how, you know, you think about it, it's been thousands of years. I mean, we're talking millennia, where dogs have interacted with human beings in different ways. I mean, even their breeding, they help, man.

It's amazing how smart some of them are. Right. Well, you think about all the hunting dogs and going all the way back, but their role was they had a special interaction with mankind. I don't know how far that goes back. To me, the important part is you have to have that order of God, humans, animals in that order. So it's up to us to make judgments on these. If you have a fox in a civilized neighborhood that is running rampant is not scared of humans and is out of to kill anything that moves.

Well, as a human and a love for my neighborhood and for chickens, you have to make a decision. You get on up in the northwest. In the northwest out there, I mean, Stevenson and I'll tell us, they're just sitting there drinking a cup of coffee in their living room, and they'll look out through the side doors there and got the curtains pulled back or they got a view of the Rocky Mountains.

And he said, you'll just see mountain lines literally walk by, on your porch. I mean, pretty good size, you know, a pretty good size of a lion, mountain line, pretty good size of cat. That's a big cat. And Stevenson sent us some pictures, you know, Dan, that's Dan's dad.

And he'll send a picture once in a while. It'll be just a mountain line. Oh, he's 20 feet from him. Yeah. This thing here will kill you. That's right. And eat you. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, they're big enough to be a predator if they choose to be. But, of course, I don't know what kind of rules they've got on them, but, you know, Gary sure doesn't feel, feel, you know, fool with them. I'm pretty sure you can't shoot them. That's why I said. He films them. Yeah.

But, you know, in these subdivisions, you know, there's deer walking around out there. And, you know, where Burley and them are, they're seeing, you know, mountain lines, you know, moose, elk, whatever. But, you know, a lot of times when they're doing what the Fox did and you're doing in our neighborhood, just, they'll, the state will. commission hunters to go and kill him outline if he's killing people's livestock. So even there's a realization in government that you can't have. But there's a certain group of people that always that every time they won't drive on an interstate because they don't want to kill the bugs hitting the windshield.

Well, you know. You can carry it too far. Yeah, I think that's too far. Let's take another break. well anyway chase we hope you get that problem solved well if i do you won't hear about it well the main HOA guy did had a conversation with jay

this last week and he said he said we got a fox problem in the neighborhood oh he acknowledged so he acknowledged it and even said to jay said you know he said you need to take care of it if you can so he knew he probably wasn't aware i'm feeling better about this so he so there were other there's a posse being formed by the HOA people that the Fox has to go. Well, I had three seconds, and we wouldn't have this problem.

But it just, I whistled at him, but he stopped. But if he had stopped, if I'd have done this three seconds earlier, it's just, I'm not going to shoot toward a house. So that conversation, I'll bring that up before we leave this, which was interesting. And to show you how you get things out of order. So the same guy, who's our HOA guy, he told, Jay, he was like, because Jay was calling him about something else, and he was like, yeah, I'll help you out.

He said, look, could you help me out with your dogs? Because they're barking every night between 1 and 3 a.m. Yeah, I hear him. And so he's like, can you do something about that? Of course, I've already talked to Jay about it. I'm pretty sure they're probably barking at that fox. Well, that and one other thing. This same guy, A.J.O.A guy, has put a deer feeder behind his house.

So it's drawing every deer in that area. Well, guess when they're coming to feed between 1 and 3 a.m. So between the fox and the deer, the dogs are going berserk because you've got all these animals that are invading their space. So it's kind of a weird phenomenon that we're drawing in all the outer things. But then, of course, Jay's like, why would I have dogs? Their main goal is to be there as an alarm system for me. Yeah. But what you've used, now that's, you've rendered that useless because now everything else is triggering my dogs.

out in there in case some sinister person wants to come on my property. So it's an interesting discussion that we're trying to figure out what to do because the answer is to put the dogs up. When you put the dogs up, then they're not there to alert you if something's going on. I would say you need to get a noise buffer. You know, they have these apps now where like you can have a jet engine. I mean, you won't hear the dogs barking. You put it right by your ear.

You can put a fan. Yeah, I think I'd just stick with the dog. Then have something like a jet in my ear. What's worse, a jet engine or a dog? I'm on the road all the time, and you go these hotels where the walls are thin. I mean, I just, I go with a jet engine. You get used to it after about five minutes, and then you can't hear what's going on out there. You wake up next morning.

Oh, okay, all right. Turn the jet engine. Well, I think our solutions, we're going to put the dogs up because they're not really, I told you that's, well, they're not really alerting you to any danger because all they're doing is bargaining environment. What about somebody coming up in the yard? Well, I said there's a trade-off somewhere. You need to try what I'm telling you. People do. But then you got to have, you got to have everybody in the neighborhood doing that because if you don't do that, then the dogs bother you.

Well, we've trained ourselves to recognize the difference between the dogs barking out a possum and barking at a human. Well, right. You can tell the difference. You can tell. You can't. Like my dogs, they don't. I'm tell when somebody's coming up on edge before they even get to the porch.

Their bark is a different kind of bar. Their bark is somebody is right here, right here in the yard. You've learned how to speak dog. That's right. Because you got it. You got their different timbers. They're more excited if it's a... But I have some pretty smart dogs.

But if you say, you know, where's Ms. Kay? You know, they'll go... They'll look at the window. I said, here comes Miss Kay. They all get to other window. They all run to the window. They're all looking and say, but then they're just, they're all running a meter out there in the yard, you know.

So they can understand the English language. Right. How are you doing? Ms. Kay's on her way. Shut up. You know, they understand it. Which to my point, I think it puts dogs, and I'm sure now I'm probably getting into trouble,

that puts them in a different class among the animal world. They seem to have a different interaction with human beings than any other. animal. That's true. Even a cat, and I know there's cat people out there, but they don't interact the same as a dog. A dog has a recognition. Oh, Ms. Kay showed me somebody and there was a cat and a bird, a parrot.

A parrot was sitting on a little thing like this. This is not going to end well. Yeah, and the cat's right here. And look, the cat's going... Mm-hmm. He's petting the bird. The bird, you know. And the cat, being very careful. That cat's...

Just smooth and his feathers out. I'll tell you what that cat's doing. I said, Ms. Kay said, have you ever seen anything like that? I said, well, it's somebody that had trained the cat, this parrot is your friend. This is my point, Phil. That's all really good until the cat gets hungry. One day, it's just, oh, happy. I thought that, but he would be in very careful not to hurt this thing.

So whoever had trained him had spent quite the time. to get the cat to but jace is right at the end of the day the instincts that the almighty puts in them look we were down watching mike the tiger now so this is you know it's the his hand his hand is the life

of every creature well he made them all yeah so so i'm watching i'm watching a tiger that was i remember remember when they first got him, he was very small. So he was just a, what would you call it? What's a tiger? A cub? I don't know what there. Whatever. So the little small tiger, totally raised in, you know, in a captured environment. So now he's five years old, big, full grown tiger. He's in his

little cage. People come and look at him. I mean, his life every day is thousands of people coming, looking in the cage and taking pictures. And they had a couple of signs up at one. by a glass that's next to some water. It said, don't turn your back to the glass. Which I thought was interesting. I read that. I thought, hmm. The rest of it is just mesh going all the way around this huge.

They probably got an acre of land that this tiger lives on. Most time he's just sitting up there. He'll walk around a little bit. But I noticed some people were taking some video pictures and they turned their back on him. And he was sitting up there on that hill and all of a sudden he got real still. And then he took off at a dead. run towards this little family. I mean, they're standing five feet from me.

And then he just did a, you know, when he got to the thing, he just did a hard right. Of course, they all screamed and jumped and did you get it on the video? But I watched that and he did it a couple other times while we were there. There's a reason there. He's a predator. So I looked at it out. Google and I thought that's what they do.

When you turn your back, you're in the wild. They see somebody not paying attention. They get down low. That's when they attack. But I thought to myself, here's a, a, tiger raised in captivity. But in deep, there was still that instinct. Even though he knew that was, I'm in a cage, I can't get him.

But for a minute there, he was hunting. Yep. And it was just like. And if they had been within his grass, he'd have taken them. Well, that's why you can't mess around with a wild animal. I mean, even if they're- Well, I don't like pinning them up, you know, honestly. I brought this up before.

I mean, I just like for them to roam. Stay in their lane. Me too. Out in the wild. I just, I just don't like. caging them up you know. I mean, there it goes against everything that they were made for. I like the, uh, that's why I like the doggy doors now.

I mean, that was a good invention. Yeah, I got dogs. They can come in, but I mean, I, I want them to be dogs. Right. Get out there. You're not a part of this family, you know, as far as a human. We love you and you're, you got a role to play. Right.

But go outside. Do your doggy thing. Because really they're meant for it to be outside. Let's take another break. They can come visit. Right. Yeah. Because it's the same thing to you.

There's people that don't have dogs and catching go in there and you're like, who, what's that smell? Because they're literally just, they don't understand indoor plumbing. No. And they're just cleaning it up. I mean, every day, every day. It's just, ooh, I mean, I just couldn't do it. Although Alex told me that you can train a cat to use a,

human pot to use it. I'd like to see that. She said it's doable because she has a couple of cats. And so she said, I think I need to, she ran, you know, she looked at. I think I'd get into a little more worthwhile venture of life than training your cat to get up on. To use the pot. Yeah. Yeah.

But, I mean, I'd give you $20 just to see it. Well, it was on a movie at one of some funny movie where he had trained his cat to do it. But I thought it was just a joke. But she said, no, you can really do it. I mean, cats are trainable in that way. I know they're funny about that anyway because they use their litter box and, you know, cats are a little more tidy. I don't know. You got me all.

Well, look, we're going to, we're about to get into First Corinthians 15. But I thought before we did that, because to me, that's sort of the crescendo of this letter. And then when you get into 2nd Corinthians, which we're excited about getting to, it's a lot of really good stuff. to me that kind of comes out of that whole idea of chapter 15. But before we get there, I thought in the rest of our time on this podcast, we could sort of go back and look at everything that got us to this point. Because this letter we've sent from the beginning is unique in the sense that it was very directed at some of the issues that were going on at Corinth, which made it different

than some of the other books that Paul or letters that Paul wrote. And one of the things we talked about at the very beginning was that unity was sort of the major issue with this group of people. I mean, is that fair to say that? It seemed like disunity and division was their major problem, whatever it was playing itself out to look like. You could take 15 or 20 people and put them in a structure and let them keep meeting with each other. for the next 50 years. And it's pretty amazing how you don't have a 15 of them. But for all of them to get along over a long period of time is a major task.

Right. And there's not but 15 of them. You probably could get down to two or three. Well, you still have a problem. Then you get into like the marriage situation. You say unity, even when they're just two of you, husband, wife, you'd say, well, they didn't get along. they're going to make a bow and they'll get along with each other. Well, about 50, 60% of them, no.

Well, and Jason has talked about this. I'm just saying unity among the human race, just look at the world. And what we're seeing now in modern America, you're like, boy, for human being to get along with each other and have unity under one guiding principle is a bone to be two. Well, the reason why is because we're all different. There are different ways of looking at things. All the evil ones, ways of attacking us, which we've talked about on the podcast for, envy, jealousy, selfishness. I mean, look at all the different things, the sins. I would say lack of forgiveness.

Correct. Just let it let it ride. I mean, you know, let's not make an issue out of it. I mean, it's just. It's really just something you can't. People just decide they can't get past something. Yeah. Whether it's something.

Well, they call it there's irreconcilable differences. Irreconsolable differences. So, I mean, God has given us the way to have reconcilable difference. I don't know why they tend to blame God for their not being able to get along, their disunity. They'll try to blame God and say, wait a minute here. But instead of the evil one, you know, you got to remember. less than 50% of America at this moment would say, because of the love of God, this is the way I'm going to roll. That's less than 50% of us out of 320 million people.

Well, you know, the numbers are getting, it's beginning to be, religion was a big thing about the founding of the nation. Big thing. They held on to it with both hands. And everything they did, I mean, you know, from Thomas Jefferson and all of them, John Adams, George Watson, they were godly men, Bible thumpers, the whole bunch. And now there are people so proud to get out from under that, the ravages of, you know, faith. They don't like people of faith anymore. Well, you said 50%, but it's even far less than that because that's just people that even recognize there is a God. Once you even recognize that, to actually live in love and to be able to live a lifestyle where you're unified with people, I mean, that takes a lot of effort.

My point is when you read a Bible, which I know it's off limits for half the country, they wouldn't touch it. They all get that Bible out of my face, but if they read it and just looked into it, you know, the discussion that we just talked about about love, you know, love is patient, it's kind, it does not envy. trying to get them to come together and be of one mind and it's a healthy mind. Most people are looking at it, the unbelievers and are saying, that's a bunch of bull. It's a bunch of bull. It's just a fiction. It's not real.

But tried and tested, you see the ones who actually love one another, you say, no, it don't work, but it's evidently it's far. everybody right but uh yeah a lot of people miss it but but but also says love let's take our last right then it also says love is a decision it's a daily decision that you make yeah especially in view of god's love it's like in your marriage you're going to have bad days no matter what what you do you can do everything right you're still going to have bad days circumstances things change i mean life is life. I just always viewed it as

the Christian life is the harder life to live. Yep. I mean, that's the bottom line. It's harder. You're putting yourself under a code and a standard of morals that's way above

what the world is, even if you can find one out there. Until you make a heartfelt, not with the pump, this is pumping blood here. heartfelt, you know, your conscience, you know, tells you know, what's the Romans 2 text? It says your conscience either, let's see, yeah, now their conscience is bearing witness, their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them, you know, it's written on the heart,

You either say you'll do this and it agrees with your conscience or your conscience saying, why did you do that? I mean, you make mistakes. Your conscience is there to remind you of the mistake or it defends what you're doing. And it may be wrong, but you say, so that in here, that heart has to change or you won't have unity among human beings. No, no, no way, no. What's interesting is, is that whether you have an awareness of who God is, everybody has a conscience. Yeah.

Now, some choose to ignore it. Some choose to not list. The law, the law is written, the requirements of the law, which is keep it. It's written on their hearts, the requirements. Their conscience is also bearing witness. Yeah. This is the right way to go. I do what's right.

But their thoughts now accusing them, even defending them. So you have this conscience. You know what's right, but you don't do what's right all the time without fail. You make mistakes. Well, because of that, here comes to friction. And you have a world full of people who some wrestle with it, and some just go all in on depravity. and that's Roman chapter 2.

I think Al's point is there was disunity at every turn. Every turn. And it's not what we think. You know, when we had bowls on here, talking about the role of women in that culture, I mean, they were pretty much running things. And all of a sudden, you know, based on all the other surrounding circumstances,

When they were getting together, they were just being uncontrollable. That's right. And so then when you put that in. You saw a little bit of everything. You saw, and that's what he goes through, the thing you saw immorality. Remember all the whole sections we were doing with earlier? They're proud of a situation. Immorality.

That's terrible. You know, they're like proud of it. Doing the Lord's supper, not really. You know, for them. And they were taking the gifts, God. Suing each other. Right. You had the suing each other.

You had the whole idea about the idolatry, which, you know, he was like, that's not even a big deal. But it's so rampant with you. You've made it a big deal. So he spent two chapters. Then they had the gender. I had to deal with each other. The gender issues. Yeah.

So when you read Philippians, too, when Paul kind of defined unity, you know, it's, it all starts when he says in verse one, if you have any fellowship in. with the spirit if you have any comfort from christ's love if any tenderness and compassion then make my joy complete by being like-minded having the same love being one in spirit and purpose do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit but in humility consider each other consider each other's better than yourselves you shouldn't look to your own answer to be too but also to the interests of others. Then he gets into that. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus, which is why he gave that order in 1st, Corinthians 11. Right. And so, I mean, to me, you're going to have to decide, like, getting in the context of marriage, you're going to

humble yourself every day to make this thing work. Now, if both of you do it, you're going to have a vibrant marriage. Right. I mean, if just one of you will do it, you, you, You can stay to get it. You hear people describing it. They describe it in verbiage like thin-skinned or thick-skinned, meaning how much of a brow beating can you take? I mean, when will you draw the line, you know, when arguments start because they were really having a time with each other.

They were just devouring each other, you know. Well, to me that was. They were all meeting under the head of Jesus, who never made a mistake. It just, they had some severe problems. Well, as much as the- But it didn't stop the car around it. It's here now, too. No, it's here.

But it was unique there into what they were doing with. The most embarrassing one to me, I mean, there were a lot of embarrassing situation they were doing with them. But to me, the most embarrassing situation was the misuse of the gifts. these were things that were designed to help them reach people that were coming in. And, I mean, that was the whole idea behind the tongues, and, you know, which we talked about that and the prophecy and all that was to point people to Jesus. But they were so tied up in jealousy and all these issues they had with each other and disunity. They weren't even able to accept these gifts and use them in a way that built people up.

Or is that text that said these people go out and they're ruining whole household. You know, people who are just running their mouth. I think that was in First Timothy. Yeah, it was either Timothy or Titus. We were just talking about marriage because I think it's... Which, by the way, he puts a marriage chapter right square in the middle of all this. I keep going back to that Ephesians 5. He talked about all the relationships.

But meanwhile, I'm talking about you being married to Jesus, all of them. Yeah. I mean, it's... And then he's like, oh, by the way, put on the armor of God. And he gives you all these things to do so you can take your... Your day, I mean, you're standing against the devil's schemes. And then when he went in, stand your ground, standing your ground, well, when's that going to happen? It's like you said, you know, when you turn you back on the tiger, well, you got to remember, Peter said, your enemy, the devil prowls around looking for someone to do power.

Like a roaring line. And that case, I think when you turn your back on God, all of a sudden, there's something. else that gets behind you looking to devour you. Right. And it happens pretty quick. You're making a pretty good case for the devil made me do it. Yeah. That's why I act like I do.

That was if you could take the evil one, if there was no Satan, which most people in America now, they don't believe, they don't believe there's a Satan or a devil. But they do believe there's evil. Because you hear that all the time. But I think what they're calling evil, well, they're. what is evil it's a it's a world it's a group it's a spirit it's you know where things are happening so at least they acknowledge when we stop acknowledging good and evil that's that's one we're really going off the road which i've heard a lot associated to Putin you know last month

well it's evil when you have literally no regard for the innocent whatsoever i mean you're talking lobbing bombs into nuclear plants and everything what's the ramifications neighborhoods yeah i mean i you know once okay it was accident sorry when tanks are firing up on nuclear housing well the ramifications of that is everybody's going to get sick and maybe die do you not have any compassion for just general humanity and what's ironic evil one doesn't so what's ironic about that situation they already had turnover already had a big meltdown and killed a bunch of people. I mean, they, people died around there from that for the last 30 years, whenever that happened. It has been, it has been amazing to watch that even when we talk about these,

the Second Amendment and everything and the battle that always goes on with that. And then all a sudden, in this case, it seems like all of America is united in saying, hey, go pass out the guns. You know, they're all, all of a sudden said, I mean, this country is coming in there and and invading a sovereign country. We need to send them some guns. Let's send them some guns. And I'm like, well, wait a minute. I thought guns were bad.

Two weeks ago, you were saying, no, look at these guns. They're terrible. I mean, look at what's happening. You're never going to need, damn. Because when you realize it from a good and evil standpoint, you realize this is just a means to an end, whatever, if you, you know, if you're good at throwing spoons at people and harm them, I mean, let's get rid all the spoons.

It's the heart of people, and it's what intention is being used of good and evil. Everybody sees it in this case. I mean, here are these people. They're minding their own business. That's a good point, the same people that wouldn't see it here. All right, we're out of time. In our overtime, I'm going to give us, there's a little, there's an early hint and clue into what we're going to get into and 15 on the next podcast that Paul's already looked at back in chapters one and two. So I want to talk about that in the overtime.

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