Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 452 | Jase Finally Reveals the Title of His New Show & Phil Tells a Story about Sadie as a Kid

Episode Date: March 30, 2022

Jase is excited to talk about his new treasure-hunting show with his brother Jep. Phil recalls his granddaughter Sadie's gift for sharing Jesus, and he has never seen anything like it before. Al discusses generational curses and the ability to break bad cycles through the power and grace of Jesus Christ. And Phil and Jase discuss the contents of the earth's crust, left over from our recent but forgotten historical events. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? But I got to thinking about it, Jay's. Do you remember that time? There were nine of us that packed in a station wagon, and we drove to Orlando, Florida, and you were dating Missy. Y'all weren't married yet. So there were girlfriends. I don't think Willie and Corey, I don't remember Corey being there, but there was nine of us in a station wagon. And Lisa and I had Anna at that time, so we had one baby. and we drove all night to get there. Do you remember that now? No.

It's foggy. Oh, things like that are wiped from my memory. Well, the reason I remembered is we stopped at the, I was helping drive, so we stopped at a convenience store to get some, something to help me stay awake because I was driving the last leg, because I guess I was the youngest. You were asleep in the back of the station wagon along with everybody else. It's like, you know, five, four, five in the morning.

And I took some, one of these high caffeine pills. But on an empty stomach in the middle of the night, when you're driving, bad call. So I wound up stopping every 20 minutes and throwing up the last leg of the trip. So I'll never forget it. I'm glad you have, though. What was the goal of the trip? You and Dad were speaking at some kind of conference that Gordon had been connected to in Orlando, Florida. I don't know what it was. It was some kind of big rally of sorts. And you were,

you and dad were, you were speaking to teenagers and dad was speaking to the main body of people. You know what? I think I do remember that. Because that's the time I spoke, because I was young. I mean, I was still, I was still getting over the fact. Oh, you and Missy were dating. Yeah. I was still getting over the fact that I'm fixed to get up and actually open my mouth and say something in front of people. So look, I remember that. So the guy, there was three, they had three teenagers speaking before me. And so the one right before me, he got up and he said, I'm sorry, everybody.

I'm just not prepared. And he just walked down off state. So I thought, who did this? The speaker in front of me. Oh, yeah. So I stand up. And I thought, boy, what a lead-in this is. Because it just got so awkward.

It was just cricket. So I start walking up on stage and thought, what am I going to say? Am I going to throw this poor boy under the bus? I was trying to think of something to say. Well, then he hop back up there. And then he said, you don't want to say that when you stand before God in the end. Then I was like, oh, it was an illustration. You tell me.

Al, that's risky in the speaking world. So he gets up, says he's not prepared to say something, gets down, throws me under the bus, because now I'm so nervous that I have to follow that. Then he hops back up in front of me. And so I got up. Then he went on into his. Well, then I quoted the first Peter 315. I'll tell you, yeah.

Yeah, then he, well, it was, that was his lesson. He basically, it was a lesson. a two-sentence lesson. He hopped back up, said, don't be like this when you stand before God, and then sat back down. His entire lesson was two minutes.

It was a bold move. On that topic, your mother, your mother and Al's mother, she showed me a little blurb of, one of my grandchildren

and when the girl was four years old Sadie Sadie at four years old was expounding on God the power of the blood of Christ she's just talking and somebody just had a cell phone

on there and it was catching her talk she went from four years old by the time she got to be 10 years old. I mean, she was a, yeah, she, I looked in my Bible and I said, let me just see what this young girl is all about. Because at four years old, when you hear someone, a four year old child speaking about God to the extent she was, I mean, it was just coming out of her. She was not coached. She was not, not trained to do that. But she just, started the word for it is prophesying yeah and i listened to that and and she was there on the little

blurb i saw and now she's about what would you say 20 20 22 stay away from numbers she's past 20 20 has a child but now oh it is yeah now 25 probably she goes nationwide she's about 25 yeah now i looked at it And I said, Willie and Corey didn't train her that way. There's other daughters they have. But this one, I mean, goes around prophesying. So it reminded me of the four daughters. I think it was four of them. That four daughters, who was it, Philip in the Book of Acts that prophesied?

Philip, the evangelist, had four girls. And they all did that. So I just listened to it. She's 24. Is it bad that you asked? I was literally amazed by her saying what she was saying. I noticed that when she was a kid that. How do you explain that?

You know, as a believer, Phil. I don't want to read more into it than it is, but I'm going to give you my explanation. I think that I watched her girl up. And I just think she just had a special. gift from our Heavenly Father that she was going to proclaim. That's why I was never shocked at her success. It was almost like, well, somebody bound to be coaching that little girl and brainwashed her. No, no.

She just, she came out saying she was going to, she was going to be God's spokeswoman, and she has been ever since the small age. And now she's 24 years old, but now if you want to, if you want a sermon, just ask this young girl, and she happens to be my granddaughter, but I will have to admit, I've never seen anything like that. Not since I've been on planet Earth. I'm not seeing a woman, a girl.

That young. Huh? I got an irony for you. So we're driving home three weeks ago. The last time I preached at WFR, I'm driving home, so I have Pearl, my four-year-old granddaughter. So now this is your great granddaughter.

She's sitting in the back seat. BK's my sidekick, so she's riding shotgun. and all of a sudden I hear her back there in the back and she is she is letting loose about the devil and God is the best in all eternity and so I hear so BK starts filming how old is she and course I'm like amen sister how old is she oh I'll shit you mean there's another one coming I'm telling you I mean I was shocked because I was like thinking where so I said where did you hear all this stuff you're saying she said i was in bible hour today but she she took bible hour to another but i've got to record it i'll show it to you it's another i thought about the sadie

video because i thought well and look it wasn't i didn't prompt it she's just in the backseat of the truck and she wasn't being coached and man she you you weren't coaching she talked about the universe she talked about the devil she don't ever trust him and god is he'll be faithful to the I mean, she had some, actually, some good thoughts. Yeah. People would say, oh, they probably would go to the brainwash. But I didn't know that. But I know Sadie's one of the best people I know family or not.

I mean, she is a character-driven, integrity, great, humble spokesman for the Lord. She does a lot of good thing. And it seems like she's been doing that since a very small age. So I'll agree with that. What I'm saying is I don't get. impressed I don't get impressed easily Al but with in what you just told me and then Sadie I've just looking at that at face value saying I never sat down with her and said the girl here's what you know no no I mean there was we were we're a spiritual

family that's for sure all the way around but but but you would have almost thought I mean it was just coming out of her like like I've never heard before, not a girl that young. I was surprised, pleasantly surprised. I've got a little bit of a theory, you know, in terms of biblically, and you have to go to the Old Testament because in the New Testament, you don't have any generations of faith. I mean, it's just all the books were written in one generation,

so you don't really get to see what happened as a result, you know, of the church and everything that went forward and the disciples and their families. But when you look back at the Old Testament, you know, there were generations of people that just, and look, everybody's born, has to make their own decision. Everybody's accountable, you know, for their own life. But there did seem to be some generational blessings that went through families where, you know, children of children of children just carried that and carried some of their abilities and, you know, what they had. So just not sure if that still goes forward today, maybe, you know, I don't exactly know how to, you know, how to, you know, how to, you know, sync that up with DNA and all the things that happen. But I did find it interesting in terms of just current events that Phyllis, your daughter, my sister, never had the environment

of spiritual upbringing. And yet, she sought that out. My question is why? I mean, as a little girl, why would she seek out that spiritual counsel when her environment wasn't producing that? So it's more than just environment, something drove her. And then, of course, when we find her all these years later, she's right on board where we are, getting the gospel out. Oh, yeah. You know, being on the mission field, the whole nine yards. So I don't know.

There's something there. It's hard to really explain it, you know, in terms, like you said, but it is something. I mean, it's something of note. No doubt about it. I challenge anybody. If you want to hear the Word of God come forth from a female, you check out, say, She is my granddaughter, but I never dreamed that girl would go to that length. I mean, it just pours out of her, doesn't it?

Yeah, that's good. She has a podcast. And you know, what's... Well, we need to have her own one. Have we ever had her own? No. Yeah, we need to have her... She has a podcast.

We have a, but I got something to announce. So it just so happens that next week on one of our podcasts, we're having her husband Christian on our podcast. He started a new podcast, and so he wants to be on ours and tell us about what he's doing. He's a really solid man. Did they name him Christian before he met Sadie? Was it afterward? Maybe that's what got our attention.

Because that name kind of blends in with she finds a guy and his name is Christian. I'm like, she might have bumped into it. You can't make this stuff up. Yeah, she might have bumped into him and said, well, sure knows. you know, I'm Sadie, and he said, I'm Christian, and she thought, okay. I'll marry you. It escalated quickly. Man, I would say, as the grandpa, there's no way around the fact that that really impressed me.

You know, your children and your children, you know, you're right, Al, all these things about your children and their children. and their children, your children's children, it's throughout the Old Testament. It really is. Yeah. I think we sell that two little. Well, I know one thing. I'm hearing that song,

Carrie Job and her husband, The Blessing, you know, and your children, and their children. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, if you want to, there's something to that. Well, and I'll let you listen to that after the podcast. It works the other way, it works the other way, too, because there's no doubt that they're a

generational curses. And I mean, you know, we've lived through that in my family because, I mean, Lisa was a product of generations of people, you know, molestation and sex abuse and all this stuff that went on for generations in her family. And so she had to be the chainbreaker, speaking of songs. She had to be the one that was like, no more. And so the only way you break those generational curses is by turning to God and making that change. And then you start generational blessings. So. So there's no doubt about it. Sometimes it'll run through families.

And again, that's all present in the Old Testament. We don't see much about it in the new. But really the reason we don't is because it's just not long enough. I mean, the books were written in a shorter period of time. But when you can follow people over time, you'll see that. You'll see that in families. You'll see that in what they believe, you know, how they – and it makes sense because if you were all about faith,

and that was passed on generation, generation, you're going to produce some really good fruit as you go forward, you know, that tree. Well, speaking of announcements and family, so I guess by the time this airs, this will be stay on news, but they finally announced our TV show coming out. I say finally. It wasn't on my time frame. I just, we've been filming it, but they announced it. Did you know that out?

Yeah, popped up in my, yeah, popped up. in my news feed. That's how I knew, Jase. It came up on Fox News on my phone that your new show was going to be coming out this summer, which we've kind of been alluding to it because, let's face it, Unashamed Nation is the reason there is a show. It generated with this audience. Yeah, that's right. So y'all have done well. I want to get it right. So it says the Duck Clan, they're spreading their wings again. Jace, that's me. And Jep, The sons of patriarch, Phil Robertson, you got mentioned, Phil. We'll star in, and the name is Duck Family Treasure.

What are you thinking about the name? Duck Family Treasure. I don't know, but if I saw you just walking down the road, Jace, before the, if I just saw you in a pass, but you were walking down the road. Would you pick me up? No. the last thing I would think of well look at that

there goes a TV celebrity because he looked just like one it just it just doesn't fit Jason I know I get country music sometimes like oh you're with that band like yeah no but uh by the way I was in well let me finish this I'll say that story So the unscripted show, oh, it's coming out on Fox Nation, or I've read a couple other things. Either I'm not real sure, but either if you watch Fox Nation, Fox News or Fox Business in June, you'll see it. Because you know how the Internet is.

They all announce it. No, Jace, I don't know how the Internet is. Well, I'm saying. So explain it to me. Well, they have all these press releases. Because it sounds like. For you, it was a giant leap forward to do what you're doing. No, it just was very time-consuming.

If I had to do it over again, I probably would have thought, I mean, it took way more time. We're like at the end of the road on the filming aspect. We've got a couple weeks left. Plus, there's more to that than most people realize the work and the hassles to go through all that. exactly i mean we just were on a road trip and our wives went with us and it was fun but it was very exhausting we were out in west texas in the middle of nowhere and uh it was fun but it was just it's just time consuming i mean it takes a takes a while to make a tv show the word so grind

kind of enters the picture but it was fun so the unscripted show will follow the siblings as they hunt for buried treasure alongside their uncle sigh and historian murray crow we had to have murray to have some legitimacy to this you know he's a they have him as a history expert which we need we needed him out there as we're digging around he knows everything he has multi skills oh he is he's awesome uh so here's the official log line each episode will be the Robertson family, I guess Anne Murray, as they search for precious treasures, rare artifacts, and hidden gems. Throughout their journey, the Robertsons will also showcase the people, places, and lessons they encounter along the way. And then Missy and Jessica, Jeff and Jay's, his wives, will also be on some episodes and other members of the Robertson family.

So that's it. Congratulations, unashamed. Miss Kay made the cut, so she's in there a little bit. Yeah, they didn't announce that, but Phil just gave breaking news. Miss Kay makes an appearance on the show. She does. Yeah, that was fun. You couldn't have picked a better special guest star.

So people have been asking me, well, how is the show? But you don't realize you do this so many weeks in a row, and then you just kind of forget, it all just becomes a big blur. Yeah. So I don't know. I'll be watching it like y'all do. I mean, it's hard for me to comment on it because I don't really know how it all will come together.

So alert your audience, Jase, our potential audience. I mean, do you feel famous? Do I feel famous? Do you feel famous? Famous, you know, they claim that's a big deal these days, you know. I think being famous is a lot. little overrated. I tend to focus, and y'all, you already know this about me, I tend to focus on what are you going to do about it? Okay, the fact that people know who I am, to me, you should

ask yourself, so what do I need to do about that? So I try to share Jesus in those moments. Because I got a note, and the note said, we'd like to talk to you, and Jace won't talk to us. Well, no, that was a different story. If you show up in my house the one day I'm off early in the morning, I don't care how long you drove and you're trying to have a conversation. No, I'm sleeping. This is my off day. If you show up unannounced, uninvited, just for a picture or something, no, I don't think

that's being rude. That's just being real, you know? Yeah, I mean, I've said that before and I've asked our audience, please don't do that. I mean, we welcome folks to come to meet with us on Sunday. I mean, we got two different church settings. One dad leads, another one I'm a part of. You're welcome to come there, be a part of that. I mean, we'd love to meet people, but in the right setting,

not at your house early in the morning. So I was going to say something, Jase, an observation about your show. But it's also, it was actually from one of our listeners, Tyler, I met up in Ohio. He said something interesting that struck me, that I had never thought about. And I do think it's going to have an impact on your new show, too. He said, you know, I never watched Duck Dynasty before the podcast. And I've been listening to the podcast.

And then so my wife and I went back and watched this series. And he said, you know, I get it now what y'all are, a lot of what you, y'all were trying to do now that I've listened to the podcast. It changed, you know, he didn't have a view of the show before, but he listened to us talk all the time about our belief system, we are, what we're trying to do. He saw the show in a different way than probably people that watched it the first time through. So it probably had the same effect on your show, you know, because you talk about, we talk about Treasure a lot on the podcast, but the spiritual

implications of it. But it may not be so overt, you know, when you're looking at the show and watching it, but as you know, the depth of what you believe and all four of y'all that are doing the show, I think it's going to have that little nugget, especially from our podcast. podcast audience. Hey, let's take another break. Well, yeah, exactly. I mean, what people don't realize, I think what will make our show different is it's not really about what you find, although it's fun. That is a fun venture.

But, you know, I had some guy at the last event I was at. He paid the VIP fee, whatever that was, to get in line because most people, they take, I take a picture with them, you know, and you sign whatever they got. And it's a, they call them VIP meeting greet. You know, I'm at the event, but then they do that. And so, but some guy paid that and did that just to tell me that he said, you shouldn't be metal detecting. You're looting the earth.

And I was like, do what now? So I didn't know there's a small, I think it's a very small group of people. And he was just, he's not full. people looking back and finding old relics or history. Boy. Well, I was kind of intrigued. I was like, well, what's your point? And he's like, well, only professionals need to do that so they can tell us about how

our societies, you know, once were. And I'm like, well, a lot of that, when you go back in history as a hunter and a gatherer, when I run up on what other hunters and gatherers did, because I asked him if he hunted, and he's like, no. And I was like, are you a bullet? Do you, you know, do you believe that there's a God? He was like, no.

So then it was starting to kind of add up. I was like, he's just checking all the boxes and things that he is the exact opposite that I was. And I traded him nicely. I mean, you love one another. You love your enemies. I wouldn't want to be on the path. So never look at your past.

Yeah. Well, this basically kind of a philosophical argument came up in the conversation of whether we're created for the planet or the planet was created for us. And you can figure out which side of that he believed. But I'm like, well, it's not really about that. We're out there. You're finding this old law stuff that we got the idea from, you know, the business. you know, the biblical view of treasure, which is a spiritual thing. It's not...

It's all hiding what you find. It's all hiding in plain sight. All you need is a metal detector and you can look at... All right. You dig and you find stuff that was lost of value and you put it back in circulation. Like for me, I'm not a... His logic is not adding up. Yeah, I'm not a seller.

I don't sell anything I find, but I try to use it in a positive, not. way that you learn from history some history's good some of it's bad but you learn from it so you don't make the same mistakes and you you keep the bad stuff from trying to repeat itself which it normally does so in that it's a fun venture that you do as a hunter i like it but you also realize it's more about the people you're with and the spiritual qualities you learn from from history and these these these things but you're not trying to build bigger barns no amassing a bunch of stuff you know that it goes back to that that illustration we did a few weeks ago about you don't see people carrying a u-haul trailer behind a hearse it's just not it's not about stuff the actual stuff

and so uh you know i that's why i think it's a combination that i think people will enjoy because the irony there is, what is real treasure? That's kind of the irony of the whole series. How do you define treasure in this life? So there's my, there's my bed. Well, I would add, I would add to that, Jase, just, and again, you're right. If a person doesn't have a basis of God, then it's going to be hard to have this discussion. But I would add to that for those of us that believe, that especially in the creation account, we were made, God, in his infinite wisdom, he could have made us from anything he wanted to, but he chose to make us from the earth, mankind, from the earth itself, he created us to have a link while we're here, and then you're right,

and then he told mankind to then rule over what we came from. So I would say from a God's perspective and a biblical perspective, you and everybody else as a God-given right because we're one with the earth to dig around and do whatever we want to, shape it. I mean, I think about what Dad does over on the property. There's something about moving around Earth to create something else and something new and something unique. And you've created that a wildlife habitat out of our hunting property.

And you've done that by moving the earth around, you know, to attract animals and birds. That's why if you don't have that kind of. system of priorities from a godly view and a biblical view, it just turns the world into confusion. I mean, this big thing that happened about the woman who is trying to get confirmed for being a judge on the Supreme Court, I mean, somebody, which you realize that they're trying to trap them and people have different agendas on the political side. But to be asked a simple question, how would you define a woman? and it just went viral her lack of a response.

Well, I can't answer that. I'm not a biologist. Yeah. And the reason it went viral is because... I have no idea what a woman is. Yeah, it's like, well, you know, we know when you go back to the garden now, to your point, and the six days of creation and how we life began and how the priorities were set out from God above. I mean, you realize that, you know, man was here, wasn't good for him to be alone.

And so he creates woman from, you know, man from the dirt, woman from the man, the rib. And we know that there are differences that are obvious between a man and a woman. I mean, from a chromosome issue to a body issue to emotional makeup issue. I mean, I would have said something along those lines. Think about how the earth cries out and the people who live in it, how it cries out. When you, I've, the last three, four, four Sunday mornings, I spoke to the brothers beginning way back. It's like, it's like you with a metal detector and you end up, you go all over the world, let's say, and you go to a place called, Ukraine, and you began to look in the ground.

And this is 100 years after the event that's now taking place. And you would look with a metal detector, and you would come away with the idea, something catastrophic happened here. You could just sift through the rubble, and you would find the remains of human bones, small children's bones, old people's bones, mass graves, and you're metal to take, you're going. And it's across the landscape, what comes out of that is misery, death. It's real. So I've been on about a three Sunday study, a world without Jesus. Without truth.

Freedom from war, that would be what you would find embedded in the earth. It's called peace. It's called peace instead of war. Freedom from it. Stopping of war. To end war or threat of war. Freedom. Peace.

Freedom from public disturbance. Peace. order. Instead of peace, there's public disturbance disorder. Freedom from quarrels. That would be peace. Peace, undisturbed state of mind, free from the fear and the absence of conflict. Wouldn't it be nice to dig in the earth and you say, things have gone well? They are the opposite. Things have not, what mankind does to themselves. It's a sad, it's a sad statement. You dig around in the earth long enough, Jace.

You see the buttons of civil war and you say, hmm. You know, boy, there was, there's a lot of things in there to deal with military stuff. I mean, and you learn from that, like you said, let's, let's take another break. Whenever I went to Munich a few years ago, I was leaving Munich to drive. to another part of Germany. And I looked out and I said, what is that mountain range? You know, because there were three or four huge hills, you know, small mountains. And the guy that was driving us said, that was Munich, you know, from World War II.

And it just, man, you know, I don't know something about, yeah, the rubble from the city was now a mountain range outside the current city. And I just thought, man, what a stark reminder of the violence of war, you know, and what it can do to people. And it'll be that way with the Ukraine, when they find those cities, that's what they'll come up with because it'll be a mountain. First of all, of rubble and death and degradation. And then when you see it 100 years later, it's all trees growing on it, but it's a giant hill, a memory. You can't wipe it away. well right and to accuse somebody well you shouldn't be looking at what happened here oh you need to look at what happened there and don't repeat it well right you look at the physical atrocities that have happened

and you realize that i mean when you see all these bullets and cannons and different things none of that would be a problem if everybody loved each other but in the battle of good and evil which has always been at the center of society These are the things that start happening because a lot of it is just unadulterated evil. Yep. And atrocities against other people for whatever reason. But instead of just acting like it never happened, well, then you don't learn anything from that. And that's why I think love, ultimately, that we just went over in 1st, Corinthians 13. It is the greatest weapon.

for society. That is correct. I mean, it's a positive one. Yeah. I read going toward the New Testament when I was still in the Old Testament and was discussing peace. He somebody, 700 years before it happened, Isaiah and Isaiah 53 tells of what's coming. He was 700 years out. And he said, he, there's somebody coming, was pure.

for our transgressions. He was crushed for our iniquities. The punishment that brought us peace was upon him. By his wounds we are healed. We all like sheep have gone astray. Each of us has turned to his own way. And the Lord is laid on him, speaking of the coming Jesus, the iniquity of us all. he is called by the prophets the prince of peace, the prince of peace over and over. You get to the Roman Empire and it's a gigantic pile of rubble, and you can still see some of where the structures were, and you say, boy, at one time this was a great empire,

I wonder what happened to it. Now it's all of it, Zeus is on the ground, all of its collapse, and just one out and that they're trying to kind of rebuild it. But digging in the earth, you would find all kinds of stuff that said, boy, this was a story of an ancient empire here. I wonder what happened to it. Exactly. All is left is a pile of rubble.

You can dig that up. That's what you're doing. Well, it's like the guy that I said was wanting to. This guy, you were talking to, he didn't want to see it. No, he was trying to, you know, he wanted to argue, but it's a lot. fine. So eventually I got to the end of the conversation. I said, do you believe in the resurrection? And he went

and I thought, oh, well, that's you. That's where the issue is. He's like, what issue? They don't want to see it or any signs of it ever happening. They don't want to see it. Yeah, I said, if it's all about this place, we're all headed to the ground. I'm telling you. I said, but, and so I started getting into the Luke 15. I was going to make the parallel of finding something

loss or being in darkness and then brought into the light. He didn't want to hear it. No, he gone. So, well, you know, and you got handlers. They realized that he was trying to stir the pot. So they escorted him way with a small. And which is fine. Yeah.

Let's take, let's take another break. I had one more observation. Something you said. I wrote it down because it's another, and I know it sounds like we're picking on this person. But it really does show you different mindsets because outside of even belief, I want you to think about what he said, it should be left in the ground for experts to find and then tell us what it means.

Yeah. Now, just think about that one thought. In other words, you can't find it and then just say, I discover this and then we find out together what it is and then we talk about what it means. We have to have an expert to find us and tell us what it means. That's a mindset you're seeing all over the world that's like we need somebody else other than us to be the person that tells us what everything means. Yeah, I took that to mean. That whole mindset, I'm telling you.

Yeah, I took that to mean that was a sophisticated way of saying, I don't want you to hunt stuff because I want to find it. You know, he was like, it's okay for me. What's a old statement? If you don't learn from history, you'll be. bound to repeat it. Yeah, that's right. I think that's a good, that's really a good tagline for what we're doing. But, I mean, but we're going to apply things to, you know, when you read the definition of love, I mean, you think about it on how when you're looking, digging through history and you see how this one paragraph really, if that would have been pursued on how that

would have been an answer when you think about love as patient you know because this is all has to be done among people this is a relationship definition in god's wisdom it's kind it doesn't envy it doesn't boast it's not proud it's not rude it's not self-seeking it's not easily angered it keeps no record of wrongs man that's a big one that the last two are huge oh they really when you think about where wars start, a lot of them happen because people get angry real quickly or there's a wrong that's been done that they're not willing to move on from. Sometimes it goes back centuries. Exactly.

It doesn't delight in evil. So, because a lot of the atrocities, the evil was it the source of it. but rejoices with the truth. Then it gets into more optimism on how life should really flourish based on how you learn from history, because it says it always protects, it always trusts, always hopes, it always perseveres. Well, those are things that are hard to do when you're living in a world full of flawed people. Yep. Because that means you're going to be done wrong, bad things are going to happen,

but you still, you can't fight evil with evil. That's not our mode on how we operate as human beings on this earth. So I don't know. I know we went down a rabbit hole here. But what I was saying is somewhere in the show that we were doing, and it is unscripted, so it's a little more difficult to do on the fly. But you find moments throughout the filming week where you're like, you know, this is more, this is a bigger treasure and it's usually something spiritual that we learn from looking up, you know, relics of the past or different locations or wherever you may be.

So I don't know. I'll be interested to see how it turns out. Well, it's a good text there, Jace. I thought it was. And it feeds in six. Go ahead, then you could talk out. Put on the full armor of God. There's a little caveat in there, whatever you call it.

So that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground. And the day of evil, it comes to all empires. All you have to do is, Jay, says, do what you do. Dig it up, and you'll look, and you'll say, aha, I see what happened here. And I'll see about the time frame it happened. The sobering look at all empires. past history because they all flounder and they all collapse. It's scary.

Even with us, Dad, you think about it, I mean, our whole approach on life, but especially on this podcast, you're talking about looking back to discover. We're studying documents, letters, and things that were written down thousands of years ago that still have an impact and shape our lives. And a lot of it, most of them are cautionary tales. You know, when you look back and we tell stories from the Old Testament, even now in the Corinthian church, we're saying, look, here's what happened here. You don't want to do that.

So, I mean, we're on a treasure hunt every time we do the podcast. We sure are. We're digging deep, you know, into the word to be able to do that. Yep. Well, I think that's why you have the verse, you know, where your heart is, or your treasure will be also. So, I mean, with any venture that you do in life, there's a temptation. I mean, I'm sure there's been people.

who have been metal detecting that, you know, cross the, because they kind of have the rules of engagement for metal detecting. I mean, it's like you would never hunt somewhere. You didn't have permission. You would never want to leave, like, you know, dig a bunch of big holes out there and just not put the dirt back. I mean, just come and. Jay, where you visited when you went to over there and looked at it,

where Jesus walked, you looked at it, let's face it, they did a lot of digging. that part of the world They did a lot of digging They're still digging Oh they're still digging You say why they keep digging Because the remains

Of the past They're all there And then when they discover this And they discover that Well what I thought Phil though Is what I before you read that What I thought was The more digging you do

The more you realize you need to figure out a way off this planet alive. That's it. In other words, I think that's why the Apostle Paul characterized it. He said, pray for also for me that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known, and this is exactly what we're doing, the mystery of the gospel. You can dig in the earth. You can look up it to the heavens.

He said, I'm an ambassador. in chains. They've locked him up. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly. And he brought good news, Jace, and he's chained up in prison because people didn't want to hear it. Yeah. And you can look through history, whether you're digging in the earth or not, the things that you see, you're like, hmm, quite the battle went on here, quite the battle went on there, quite the battle went on there, quite the battle went on it. It's just a killing field. planet earth. It really is. Well, that's what I was going to say.

I hate to say it, but it's a killing field. What I was trying to do, I read this a couple weeks ago on a podcast, but when it says that you can figure out the mystery of God and not a mystery that's unsolvable, I mean, it's solved in Christ, in that Colossians 2 passage, in Christ whom are all, whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Yep. And so in verse 5, he says,

for though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how orderly you are and how firm your faith is in Christ. So he's making this analogy about what's happening in the body and the physical and what's happening in the spiritual. Well, the nature of what we do as far as metal detainty, And you're digging up physical things, and most of them had to be well made if you get back over 100 years ago for it to still exist in good form. But you're actually making spiritual applications to what you find in a verse that we're going to get to in 2nd Corinthians 4.

I mean, I love this. In verse 16, it says, we don't lose heart, though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day for our light and moments. troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. But what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal, which was my point about making applications. We find these things, and it is exciting and it's fun to find all the things of value. you but if you if you never cross over into something deeper on what is unseen spiritual qualities

that led to whatever situation you're in but also the the fact that we're all perishable and you go back a hundred years ago and all you're finding is the stuff yeah from the people that were here we're all headed toward back to the ground they're all gone they're all gone and we'll all be gone. So at some point, you realize that, yeah, when you find the stuff, make use of it, tell the story, reveal the history, learn from it. Even, it's like me, I've never sold anything I've found. I've given way more of it away or giving it to somewhere where they can display it.

Would you agree that as you do the digging, you come up with a lot of bullets? A lot of bullets. And you said those bullets. A lot of nails and a lot of bullets. You said those bullets looked like me, they had a pretty good little scuffle here with all these bullets in the animal world. Because the atheists would say, yeah, just a bunch of animals. And they're spending bullets on each other. Their bullets are coming at them. We see it on over here.

We dig over here. There's more bullets. More bullets, more bullets. Well, you dig up that many bullets. You say, this was a volatile place right here. Oh, I mean, Phil, that's why I said. I've, there's been a lot of building. Well, dig up the Ukraine and you say, well, you find a lot of military hardware juging down into the ground after they finally pile it all up?

You find a lot of building because of nails. You find a lot of bullets. And you find a lot of things that have been burned. I mean, you just charred remains. Yep. It does. A couple of things that were mentioned as we close out here. We talked about Ukraine.

The shirt I'm wearing today is the one that our friends at 316Ts.com. They're making these shirts. If you buy one, all the proceeds go to one kingdom for Ukraine relief. So that's helping out our folks over there who are in trouble and all the refugees. Also, in the overtime, Jay, since you brought up John, I mean, since you brought up First Wednesdays 13, I'll give you my take in the overtime of my sermon I preach yesterday because that's where I was at. So I'll give you that. You can also find that on WFR Church. So we'll see

next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes.

And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to BlazTV at blaztv.com slash Unashamed.