Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 454 | Jase and the Bible's Gifted Women & Something Lives Inside Phil's Wall

Episode Date: April 3, 2022

Phil and Jase are joined by Gordon Dasher to talk about what God can accomplish in his kingdom through his people. Jase discusses young women of the Bible who had the ability to prophesy. Phil describes what has been keeping him awake at night: a lurking something inside his wall. Jase and Phil debate how to eradicate rats, and Al points out the link between the Robertson and Dasher families concerning ministry. And Phil shares why he doesn't want revenge for anyone. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? All right. So I made it to North Carolina. Zach has built a new studio, which I have to say is really nice. Chase, you remember the one he had before. It looked like he was in some kind of dilapidated building. It was horrible. The missing bricks behind him and all that. So this is his new little setup here in Black Mountain.

It's nice. And so Zach has been spending most of his time in Louisiana working on the movie that we mentioned about mom and dad. So he's a movie mogul now. So I decided that since I was here, instead of getting Zach Dasher 2.0, I would get Dasher 1.0, the originator, the patter familias of the Dasher clan, Mr. Gordon Dasher. Well, come. Good to be here. And y'all fix the time delay somehow and then. yeah it's a better internet i guess yeah yeah the last the ones we did yesterday from the road it was

it was tough i mean they're gonna fix it all so our the audience hopefully won't know it but it was it was hard to do yesterday it was frustrating yeah frustrated but now we're in uh we're in our last week of filming official week you know there's always pick up interviews here and there and promotional stuff we'll do so i'm running well you know jays dad said it Dad said it before he started rolling, just hearing you just talk about it, I mean, for those of us that were involved on the first show, it's like, I don't know about you, dad, but I'm like, oh, man, I hate it for Chase, but I sure am glad it's not me. Well, one of my buddies who used to work at Duck Commander, and he's a good friend of the family and all. He was in town because he was doing something in Shreveport. So he came by and I was like, hey, come eat supper with us.

That was last night. And I said, Missy, she's making beans and rice and hot cornbread. Al, you've been in on the, we do that once a week no matter what. It's one of my favorite meals. And she's just, she's a master at cooking that. She's got some special seasoning from somewhere, not even in this country. You crossed her a great hurdle. when she finally started going in and doing a little cooking.

Boy, I'm telling, she has turned, she has turned into a world-class cook. The next time she's on this podcast, let's bring that up. What lit the fire under her? She said, I think I'll start cooking like most women do. Well, you know. Not true, that. I don't, I don't disagree with you on that one, but she, she,

you need to watch more episodes of Matt Dillon and get with the problem. Phil, when you live in a state of 19. 1550, 1960. This is the kind of information that comes across. But anyway, so I send him a text like at 6 o'clock. I thought that's when we would be done. That came and went. Then 7 o'clock came and went.

Then 8 o'clock came and went. Then I realized, okay, basically my buddy is over there eating supper with my wife. And then when I got there, her parents were there. And so I could see him through the window. It was my in-law. It was Missy. We had our little baby that we're fostering. And then there was my buddy, Kyle.

There's all kind of things going around your house, Jason. We roll, the Jeff and I rolled in about 9 o'clock. So it was pretty funny. Hey, Kyle. Have a fun eating with the wife and the babies. Yeah, and the in-laws. I was like, hey, bud. He's like, wow, this.

this TV thing goes well into the night. And a matter of days, you ended up back at the child-rearing age. You had your kids. They were going on. They were going into high school, getting college degrees. You said, I pulled it off. They turned out pretty good. And then you just look up, now we've got a newborn baby that.

Yeah. I've been looking for books that, you know, because there's a lot of them about being an empty nester. Yeah. But there's no book out there that. It says, emptiness, oh, wait. Yeah. That's what I'm saying, Jason. That would be a remarkable change of the way you do things.

Here comes a new baby. Here comes a television show. We just crank it all up again and go with it. Yeah. I don't know. It's been weird. But I believe I see the Lord's direction in this. and so.

I heard a comedian one time and said, I thought I had an empty nest, but it must have a hole in it because they keep crawling back into the nest. There may be some truth to that. So when I got up here, Jace, it's the same, Zach and Jill, or, I mean, they're doing what y'all are doing down there.

So they had adopted a baby, right, baby Ruth, and so they've had her year. Yeah, so she's a year old. Well, I come in, and there's another baby, like a newborn. Oh, really? And I was like, who has this? Because they already have four or five kids already.

Four. Four. Well, to show you have things morph out and this starts and that starts, last night, I'm in the bed and I hear a gnawing sound. Are we back on these rats? Oh, boy. Oh, my goodness. You can't eradicate these rats?

You want me to come down there and correct that? I'm good at killing rats. This is a pretty good. story. Okay. About a year ago, I heard a gnawing in the wall. It's in the wall between my bedroom and the bathroom. There's a wall there.

I think you told us about this. No, that was last year. Well, this year, I'm lying there last night about 11, 30 or 12. In this case, she doesn't go to bed about 12 or 1 every night. So she's late, she stays up, you know, watching, you know, you know, what is it, the New Orleans of the cop and robber stations, you know. Cop and robbers station. Something in the SIS or New Orleans.

I don't know, but yeah. It's a woman thing. But anyway, I'm lying there in bed. I hear there's gnawing. And on my left, of course, you know, there's an array of close range, weapons. and weapons just I mean, you know, I'm armed here. Yeah.

But unfortunately for me, I'm not armed. For in-house combat? What's going on inside one of my walls. Yeah. So I kept hearing that knowing. So there's no way to get to this varmint. I mean, Phil, I think I would just... He's within six feet of me.

I would cut a hole in the wall. Well, I'm getting to the hole. All right. But good. I'm sitting there. So I said, well, first, you don't want to use a weapon that I had there, you know, put holes in the wall or the floor. I could have killed him. I think you should just.

But I had to shoot through the wall to kill him. And then I said the ricochet would be in the bathroom, which is next there. You know, there's a bathtub. I think you should do it. And I've got a guy who will fix it. Well, where is he? Well, do the damage. and then I'll call me.

Blow a hole on the wall and fix it like that. Well, kill the rat and then do the damage and then I will. Just to show you how these rats evidently have a pretty good mind on them, because this went on from about 12 o'clock to daylight. Well, when I finally got up by 7.38 o'clock, and I had a BB gun there in case he got out inside the house. Yeah, he's too sweet. But he had already, that hole from last year,

Yeah. I just walked in the bathroom and right in front of me, he just trotted. Oh, you saw him? I don't have a weapon. I don't, you know, I don't have a weapon except take a leak, if you consider that a weapon. But I would just stand in there taking a leak. And I looked over there and this thing, a wharf rat, without his tail, he was about a foot long. Oh, my God.

This is a, this is a sure enough rat. Yeah, that's not a mouse. Yeah. He takes off and went around the car. corner where the hole was in the wall last year that I just taped it over. Yeah. I taped it and nothing messed with it. Whatever got in there last year died in the wall.

Flies started blowing him inside the wall. Yeah. Coming out, I finally taped it all up to keep the flies out and went back and killed all the flies. Well, I'm back in there again. And this thing, did he run through the tape? He had cut a hole in that last night. He cut that hole that I had. that I had patched a year ago.

He hit the hole. He's back in the wall now. And I thought, I mean, that was my best shot I had had. In fact, I had a weapon in my head. So he runs in there, you know, and I looked at that hole, and he's cut through it. So I got to get some kind of heavy, heavy gorilla tape or whatever and tape the hole back. I think you're going about it wrong.

I can get up on the house and find that wall there. So somehow. Take the wall out. is what I would do. Take the wall. When you go home today after this, take the wall out because he won't realize that. When you start talking about going back in your bedroom and taking the wall out between your bathroom and bedroom, you're talking about a major pair of. I have a guy who will fix the wall.

It won't cost you anything. I'll fix the wall. If you take the wall out, get access to the take the shot and then I'll fix the wall. Yeah, but you've only killed one. I mean, this sounds like to me, this is. What if he's the leading edge of an army of warf rats? And you use a technical term, this is infestation. Yeah, you got an infestation.

That's why I'm saying drastic infestations call for drastic measure. Take the wall down because you have to be able to get a visual. They can't sleep comfortably when there are varmets. They are rats. And you hear all these shows, you know, boobonic plague, whatever, you know, that they spread. and it just not a good sight when you look up in your bathroom and you're standing there in your underwear and here comes a rat and he's that long with tail and all.

I mean, it's not like a little bitty mouse. This thing is it. No, I got it. You live on the river. There's various forms of rats down here, which it's unusual that it's not really high water and that you have this infestation. Somebody said, poison them and you can kill them.

Well, if I want to poison the rats to kill the rats, I'll kill all three. Ms. Kay's dog. Ms. Kay's got three dogs. She doesn't want them dying. Take the wall down. You have to be able to look. And that way you can hunt from there. I would just take it off in pieces. That's just one wall over there between my bedroom and the bathroom. Well, it's not a big wooden house. It's all paid for us. So I'm not going to do anything fancy here. But I'm just saying, start taking out walls. It's not that big a deal. I'm telling they can fix a wall in 20 minutes. minutes. Yeah. I could stop him from getting in that wall, I guess. That's why I'm saying. You have to keep him from going to the next one and the next one and the next wall.

Well, you just have to have a point where within any hunting situation, you've got to get a visual on where he's hanging out. I'm saying tear open the wall. I guarantee you he'll just come through there because they're creatures to have it. You take him out with your pellet gun and then we'll fix the wall later. I mean, I would make sure all of them are dead before you put the wall back up. You know, make sure all of them are dead around the house. Jason, you're not understanding it. I mean, there's a lot. It's better than what you're doing now.

There's a lot of rat activity up under my house, and I don't want some other, some old guys, if I feed some dishes up with antifreeze, I'm like, yeah, I'm the dog. No, we can't get into all that. That's a dog, cats. But you, they're using the walls as a cover for their activity. Take the walls down. Yep. I feel like Reagan here

tear down that wall Well Get to the rat Get access I'm not going to create that kind of Rat freedom Carpenter problems I'm not going to do that

But Phil I have a guy I'm saying I have a guy who will be glad to do it For a nominal For a nominal I'm offering to pay for it This is a classic Redneck

I have a guy. But it's only dealing with the one rat you're dealing with, but this is a larger situation. Yeah, I'm giving you a present, your early Christmas present for you and Kay, for rat freedom. I will, if you'll take the wall down and shoot the rats, I will put it back up. I have not harvested, but about five of them. I've killed five. And the glue stick them, the little pants of glue. I mean, I tried that, and they just run out on it and they hit it, and they get stuck in it.

Well, sometimes you got to think outside the walls. Like a four-wheeler stuck in the mud. I mean, you can catch them. I caught a cue, and they're alive, but they're stuck in the... You know, it's like the guy, what's... Hang it. Jay's, let's take a break. It's the clear sound of teeth on wood.

On wood. Right, right, right, right. So he's chewing up your studs of your walls. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. The wall needs to be fixed anyway. He goes on for hours. It sounds like a saw, like a hand saw, saw on a board.

It just r-h-hr-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h. Well, you're too close to the situation. I mean, look, I hate to tell you this, but your house. Oh, I'm six feet from the situation. Yeah, I know. Just inside that wall on my left, and I got an array of weapons, but I just hadn't shot through it yet because I can't tell exactly where he is. So if you tear down the wall or make a hole,

an access point, then you get a light. I would make it about head high. Then you look down in there, you get a visual, small scope, pellet gun, pow. As we leave this tantalizing subject of Phil's rats, that there's thousands and thousands of podcasts around the world. We are the only one that is talking about this particular subject. It's a problem. I think people will learn from the situation.

And now you can make your own spiritual application. But if you have rats in the spiritual walls, you need to tear down the walls. And the Lord is good at that. I agree. So. Well, I'm glad Phil thought of that. So let's get about to our rat killing, as they say. And we're in 2nd Corinthians chapter 2.

That's where we left off yesterday on the road. And we were laughing because, of course, Gordon is like us. he's uh you spent your whole life in ministry uh i don't know that you really planned that right it just were you thinking that's what you would do i mean because you you pretty much preach and taught your whole life yeah yeah so but i thought it just happened into it like we did yeah but yeah so so we all of us have a love for the word of god and it was always and we talk a lot about jan on on the podcast we have in the past and of course jan and gordon we're married for how many?

40, almost 44 years. Yeah, 44 years. And, of course, Jan was sort of the, I mean, I guess in our family, dad, I mean, she was like always the one who just had a special anointing towards the word, towards sharing it. I mean, she was instrumental in your conversion. Yeah. And then, of course, she was instrumental in our lives, Jace, because she was just always

that person, you know, that was there for us, especially me. Well, I've shared many times. instrumental in me getting married to the wife I married because she taught my wife in the fourth grade and it's a crazy story but we visited uh wFR in like the eighth grade 8th or 9th grade and she picked out my wife no i think we visited while she was teaching in the fourth grade and then she said that's the girl you're going to marry so i was in the 6th grade so i was in the 6th grade and of course I was like well she's crazy she's picking out fourth graders that I'm gonna marry good job so later on when I got back to WFR as a junior or senior somewhere in there so now

we're talking about years later a series of fortunate events led me to start dating missy and then she reminded me yeah that's the girl remember I predicted when you said I was crazy in the fourth grade And I was like, are you serious? So it was. Didn't it look like some kind of prophecy or something? Yesterday, what you talked about, that going to hand it down to your children. And we were talking about Sadie, which at four years old, that's like a lot like Janice Ellen. Janice.

In other words, they prophesies young girls. and you listen to them, you're like, where in the world? Did they come up with that? I mean, they're like, they're just doing almost like they were meant to do it. I mean. But dad, you think about it with Jan. Bible verses are just coming out of them.

I didn't even know this thing with Jace and Missy, or if I did, I forgot it. But she said about dad, she said, if we can get him out of the world and into the kingdom, he'll lead thousands. That was what she said. Yeah. And that was a true prophecy.

She said about me. She said, she kept telling me, you're going to be great in the kingdom. You're going to do kingdom where. I mean, she told me all that when I was a kid. We had no spiritual guidance at that point. So, yeah, I'd say the woman had a definite gift of prophecy. Well, look, one of the reasons that I continued the relationship, because at face value, it seems like, I mean, I've said many times,

my wife and I have nothing in common outside of Jesus and our kids, and she hates it every time I say that. But it's true. We are literally all in water about how we operate in every facet of life, which is actually kind of interesting. But I remember thinking, well, my Aunt Jan said that this, you know, I kept pursuing it because I thought maybe she was on to something. So from a spiritual perspective, because I love my wife.

heart for Jesus. I mean, that's what drew me to her. She was not so much interested in me. Like when we were dating, she didn't seem very interested in me. But like our first official date when we pulled up, you know, most girls that I had taken out, they were like would have a conversation. Like once we pull up to their house, it's like their first instinct was not to get out, abandon the vehicle and leave as quickly as possible. But that's exactly what we're. what Missy did. I mean, we pulled up. She said, yeah, that was fun.

Open the door, boom. No, no possibility of a peck on the cheek or anything. It's like, I'm out of here. And I thought, well, I don't guess that went well. What I'm saying is you had Janice, Ellen. Hang on, Dad. Hang on, Dad. Let's take a break.

You had Janice. You're talking about Willie's daughter. your granddaughter, the one you were talking about. What's your name? Pearl. Pearl. Yeah, you have Pearl. So you have this little cadre of women,

and you would almost think, if you heard them talking, that somebody had sat there and just constantly fed them on what to say. But the amazing thing is, it's coming out from them, and they weren't trained to do that. I mean, they just... Well, some people just have the gif of dissupe. sermon and reading people and you know I think it's from God and you can call it whatever you want to but it's evident what that that's real the point the point I was making was there was a I think

there's always been a link between Gordon between your family and ours in the sense of ministry before for that like when all our uncles and aunts would come I mean we played dominoes we did you know roberts and things but I always remember the discussions Some heated? Yeah, very heated because we love to argue. But y'all love to argue. Yeah. I don't like to argue.

Oh, yes, you do, Gordon. You love to argue. No, I don't. No. Let's argue about who loves to argue. Who loves to argue? I don't like to argue. You're wrong.

I think you do. No, I don't. We all know he does. But the thing is, I just remember growing up we were on the river when Janet Gordon would come. And it would be, it would be whatever they were doing a ministry or studying or whatever we were studying. And it would usually be, you know, back and forth and all that.

But it was always something godly, something related to ministry. But it wasn't like that with the other uncles and aunts. So I do think there was a special bond. And it still goes on. I mean, Zach and our partners now. Zach's working with Jason projects. I mean, it's just like, you know, God obviously knew what we could accomplish, kingdom-wise, whether we were.

in a small pond someplace or in this bigger ocean that we seem to be in now, you know, doing ministry. Well, it's so funny because Zach and I, you know, we're really, I mean, we're cousins and we're really good friends and we see eye to eye on most of like biblical theology, but we get there totally different. But amongst all that, I mean, Zach a couple times just in the past year, he has gotten so mad at me in an argument. He's just hung up on.

me. For real? Oh, yeah. And it's so funny because then a couple weeks later, like one of the times he hung up on me, we had this huge argument about how we should move forward in this bench. Well, it turned out, I was right. And then he was like, I was like, you hung up on me two weeks ago because he never acknowledged, oh, you were right.

He's just like, yeah, that worked. out. And I was like, well, let's go back and analyze. You're telling me that somebody with Robertson DNA would not admit that their previous point of view was wrong. Yeah. In fact, he hung up on me. He was so frustrated. And then he didn't. He just said, he kept saying that worked out. And I said, are you going to bring up when you hung up, hung the phone up on me? He was like, well, I really just had to go anyway. And I thought this argument is point. Pointless, so I'm just hanging up. I trained myself years ago when I'm speaking on the telephone, what is it that you call me for?

I'm basically, that's, I'm saying, yeah, and I don't say hello, I'm like, yeah, and they say, and they'll tell me whatever they're telling me. And I'm like, I will try to answer their question, but I don't say goodbye. No, I know, you hang up. I just, I'm just sitting there and I'm listening. You hang up on me every time. I'm not mad at you, but I mean, what are you? have on your mind. That's kind of.

Once that comes up, I'm saying, one, two, three, I answer, keep the faith, you know, get out alive. And it's fine. Click. I'm done. No, Phil, we all know that I've told many people that when I've said, okay, you're fixed to have a conversation with my dad, like if I'm lining up the conversation, I said, look, don't take offense.

He's going to hang up on you without any pleasantries. He's also not going to say hello, which is kind of weird. but that's always been that's always been his style because man we'd have people over you know and everybody's sitting around talking and he just gets up and says alright and he just walks

goes to bed yeah everybody sitting there's like they start looking at me and they're like is he did he leave is he gone is he down for the night yep he's gone hey jeb did that last night after supper he just he just left

because he lives you know he's moving back and Kyle said where did jeb go I said I think he left He's like, well, I mean, he didn't even say bye. I was like, Kyle, do we have to go over this again? Our family is notorious for not exchanging pleasantries. I was sitting there the other day, and so dad, the phone reads, dad picks it up.

He is, yep, yep, yep, and he hangs up. Yeah, it was three years. And I was like, who was that, Dan? He said, oh, that was Dan. He was telling me how high food is now. yeah it's called inflation are we going to get into this study or we just yeah so i was trying to i was trying to set it up because this next section it's it kind of starts a new theme in chapter 2 verse 12 and it's and it's he shifts in the ministry and last time we talked about

he was having some kind of personal issues with what was going on in corin then of course he made a larger point. We talked about the yes and the no, which I thought was really good. But the simple issue was he was having issues and like he didn't he didn't stop by. He was supposed to stop by twice. And he's like, it's better for you if I don't. I'm kind of put out with what's going on there. But he pivots here in verse 12 and he just he starts describing, you know, the mission. But it's kind of a real ministry piece that's going to go for the next three or four chapters and some really, really rich good stuff in there. And so that's kind of what I was trying to get to

the idea that we all share that same idea of ministry. Let's take a break. But he says in verse 12, when I went to Troas to preach the gospel of Christ and found that the Lord had opened a door for me, I still had no peace of mind because I did not find my brother Titus there. So I said goodbye to them and went on to Macedonia.

Now I thought that was a really interesting bite because, you know, people make such a big deal about ministry, you know, God opening the door and, you know, I have to step through or I got this calling or I got this, that, and the other. And so Paul's like, yeah, there was an open door, but you know what? I wasn't happy about it because Timothy or Timothy wasn't there or Titus wasn't there. And so he's like, so I just left. You know, it doesn't sound at all like the flowing tales of, you know, that I hear, you know,

a lot of pastors talk about, about their calling. He's just like, yeah, the door was open, but I wasn't happy with the setup, so I moved on. Yep. I mean, you know, I don't know what else to say about that other than it's pretty interesting to me. But then he says, but thanks be to God who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of him. For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. To the one, to the one we are the smell of death, to the other the fragrance of life. and who is equal to such a task.

So I thought it was interesting. It's really a powerful read that right there. I've gone to that verse many a time just when I'm looking at it. I'm like, you know, he's right. I mean, to one, they're happy because you had the conversation with them. But to the other, they have their hands on their ears and just looking at you like you're some kind of scumbag. You know what I'm saying?

To the one with the smell of death. Well, you just think about it if you live a lifestyle to where when they see you coming to a certain percentage up there, a big percentage, after you get done telling them about Jesus, you begin to have the smell of death surrounding that because it is a warning. Here's what's happened. Better come to Jesus.

I just said it, you know, that, you know, I wrote it down. Keep the faith. Get out alive. What we're telling me is you're not going to get out of here alive unless you come to Jesus. This is the only way with, you got a better story where all ears. So so far I've never heard anyone come up with a better story than the death to sin and the resurrection of the dead. I've not heard a story that will beat that one. What about you, Al?

No, I haven't. And the idea that I love it because he says, who's equal to the task? In other words, to think about it, you're a living dichotomy because some people are going to say, oh, man, that's just, that's the ultimate, you know, what's that cologne you're wearing? And other people are like, oh, man, you stink.

Yeah. I mean, to have that same impact, and, Jace talked about this on the last podcast, the more you're engaged and involved, the more difficulty comes your way. So there's no way to do this without having a great fragrance to some without having the stench to the others. I mean, it's just a, I mean, there's no way to escape that, the wrath of your fellow man. Oh, he's coming after you, Al. If you just speak the truth about Jesus, you say, for everybody who's saying thank you, There's some out there that hate you over that hatred, deep, deep rooted hatred. No, that's exactly right.

Were you going to say something, Dan? Well, yeah, I mean, look, I'm like Phil. I've used this passage over and over and over. But it makes me think, you know, most of the time when you think about perfume and fragrance, you know, you think about women using that. And I mean, you think back to that famous story with Judas and where he was rebuking Mary for pouring this perfume out on Jesus, which he just, I mean, not only did he like use that as a moment because she had in her wisdom, you know, speaking of foreseeing things that would happen, she had figured out that he's going to die. for the world here. And so she was, you know, using that, which it's a beautiful story.

But I also thought, you know, there's a transition here in his letters to Corinth because most people get so hung up on all the controversy about the women's role and how Paul is seemingly, you know, has this thing against women. You know, that's a worldly view of it because of Corinth. when we had our guest here talking about the culture back then, you know, women were revered in Greece. I mean, they had statues and in that context, it was difficult for them to find their roles given from God as male and female, which would trickle down to sons and daughters and sisters. And so then we start this ministry section in 2 Corinthians, and you keep in mind this whole church was started here by a

couple, Priscilla and Aquila. And now it seems like men and women, with their God-given roles that he addressed in First Corinthians, have now, he's charging this ministry, which I would venture to say, Al, wouldn't you, the next three chapters are some of the most prolific ministry-driven words in the Bible. I mean, it culminates at the end saying, to get to my point about the women, you know, working with men in our venture. When he says in verse, where is that where it says about a new creation, what is it, chapter 5 in verse? That's the end of 5. 14.

He says, for Christ's love compels us because we're convinced that one died for all, which to go back to my reference about Mary for seeing that. And therefore all died, and he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves, But for him who died for them, now where's that creation? There's something in there but a new creation. Oh, the next verse. Yeah, 16. So from now on, we regard no one from a worldly point of view,

though we once regarded Christ in that way. We do so no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, yeah, he is a new creation. The old is gone. All this is from God who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them.

And he's committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ ambassadors as though God were making his appeal to us. So my point is, people in the church, their theology, they read First Corinthians, and a lot of churches have tried to muzzle half the church based on the situation that was going on in Corinth. And when you're reading in Second Corinthians,

you're like, well, wait a minute here. How are you going to pull this off when you've muzzled half your church? You see my point? I've wondered for years and I've tried to curtail it the best I could, but I don't want to be offensive to anyone.

But this text that we're looking at right there to me, to the one where the smell of death and to the other, the fragrance of life. I don't know, boys, whether you can be part of the presenting Jesus to the world, which we're told, go and make disciples of all nations. You baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. I'll be with you to the end of the age. Go, let's get it. I've tried to not be offensive to the people out there.

But that's what he's saying, Phil. But I don't know how you're going to preach Jesus, him crucified, without offending them. Yeah, once that's declared, that's what's going to happen. Hang on, let's take a break. If you look at the message, I've thought about this a lot because I don't like conflict and I don't like to be attacked. No, I know you don't.

And I don't like the way that feels. I don't like to think that I've offended somebody. but if you think about the message, the message essentially is this. You are such a rotten, filthy, sinful individual that your only hope of redemption is that the Son of God had to condescending. He had to come down here and take on flesh and die for your sins. So when you preach the gospel, you're by nature preaching condemnation to people. And some people hear that and they go, yeah, I know I'm rotten. And this is great news.

It's a smell of, it's a beautiful fragrance. But to other people who are prideful that don't want to admit that, it is the smell of death. So I thought to myself, man, this is something I've just got to embrace. And I see it on social media or like in news, Fox News allows comments at the end. And if you read that, if somebody even posts a scripture on Twitter, some high profile person like Franklin Graham or Marco Rubio,

just go look at the receipts. responses to that posting of scripture at the end of those tweets. And I'm telling you, it is the most vile, vicious, disgusting thing you've ever read in your entire life. So I say it's something that we, I don't like it, but I embrace it. And it's almost like a badge of our discipleship that we do get this response from people. it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a conundrum it's you know that I mean this text says there's no way to get out of it Jason to the one you smell like death and to the other the fragrance of life you know they lead us in triumphal

procession just marching forward that's why I brought up those have been those who are perishing to say the ones who come to Jesus and the ones who don't I guess it's It's just part of the agenda. It's what he's saying. But that's why I brought up that story, you know, in John 12 and other places. Because you had two different perspectives of, I mean, they were having a dinner on who Jesus is. You had one, a woman who, that's why I brought up that about the perfume and all, who's looking at Jesus one way.

And then you have one of his closest followers, supposedly, hand chosen, who completely is looking at it from a totally different perspective in the same room sitting with Jesus himself. And I think that's... There's another great example, almost the exact same story, but in a little bit different twist in Luke 7, when the woman, you know, sinful woman from a town is pouring, again, perfume on his feet, you know, but in this case, not about his burial, but about, I think, her sinfulness. It's almost like I'm just pouring myself out. And there you have Simon the Pharisees sitting there watching this.

But instead of being moved, that man, look at this, a life that's being poured out at the feet of Jesus. He's like, boy, he's not a prophet. Because if he was, he didn't know what kind of woman this is. He was offended like Judas was about her actions. In both cases, the women were doing the same thing with a beautiful message about, you know, redemption, resurrection, you know, sinfulness being redeemed. And you got these two guys looking at it with not a clue of what was happening. And I think that's why it's offensive because when you see that, the message is that woman,

the prostitute, the homosexual, the drug addict, the drunk, at the foot of the throne of God, because we're all sinful, there's no difference between us. And we're all, so the message is like, I came to save sinners. And Paul said, I'm one of the worst there is. And you start preaching this message and somebody who's prideful and self-righteous is going to hear it and say, you know, I don't like that. That's not, that doesn't allow me to elevate myself. But you just think about the, it's more than that. It's more than that.

It's not. I don't like that. It's, it's, I don't like you anymore. To the one. That's right. One loves you. You tell a story. you focus on the son of God.

One instantaneously loves you. Standing right to him, right next to him, is a person who instantaneously hate you. That's right. I mean, it's the story. You'd say, how in the world could you come up with a story where one, when they hear it, they love you, the rest of their life. They love you because you told them. And they're like, oh my goodness, I can be set free from a sin. I can be raised from the dead.

Life and immortality is mine. I thank you and I love you for sharing that with me. I didn't know that. I've run upon thousands. Right next to them, I have another group looking at me and say, I hate your guts because of what you do. You're no good damn effer there cussing. I'm like, boy, I don't know how you're going to be able to escape. that according to what the apostle Paul said right here. To some you just smell like death and to some

you have the fragrance of life. Well, how do you know when you come to a person and you tell him the good news? You don't know how he's going to respond. You're just waiting to see or for the ones who stepped forward and said, I'm a sinner and there's no doubt about it. And that's the best news I've ever heard in my life. Well, the way the way you deal with it, dad, is you really, you really that they're not really hating you. They're hating the message. I don't hate them at all. It's the message.

You're just a messenger. And so when you're telling that story, they may heaping on you. People used to always say, don't blame the messenger, but you're the messenger. He says in verse 17, unlike so many,

we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ, we speak before God with sincerity like men sent from God. So he's not. ultimately saying, look, we're compelled to speak truth. And so if you have a problem, it's not really with us. It's with the message and the Almighty. So, I mean, I think that's how you deal with it in terms of moving forward. You can't take it personally. And the question I have to answer daily is,

why do I speak the message? Number one, I speak the message because of what God's done for me, and I love him. And number two, I speak the message because I love you. And how you respond to it is up to you, but I'm willing to have you, I'm willing to have you attack me and hate me for speaking a message to you that's rooted in my love for God and my love for you. So go ahead. Jesus said, if you follow me, they're going to persecute you. Jesus said, all who live Godly of Christ, or Paul did, all who live godly of Christ Jesus will be persecuted. You just take it for your share and you go on. It's not a bad thing. On this book uncanceled, I have, had interview after interview after interview after interview most of them had come to the frame of

mine where they said but how did you retaliate and get them back for for costing you your family I mean you know you got fired why didn't you surely you want to pay them back and I'm like actually I don't want to pay them back I just I don't hate them I said they said but they hate you they try to destroy you sure Surely what I told them over and over and over, there's one lawgiver and one judge, the one who can both save and destroy. I'll leave the judging business up to God. I don't hold it against them. What do you expect in today's culture or any other culture that there's ever been?

There's people that just, they hear the message, and to them, you smell like death, and there's another one standing out there. It's smell like life. So I'm not mad at people who go around canceling others. I'm sad. I kept telling me, as I said, I'm sad about it. I'm not mad about it. But you got to remember, Phil. If you look back in the first two chapters, look, verse three, he said,

God provides the comfort. Verse 9 of chapter 1, he raises the dead. Verse 12, it says we rely on his grace. verse 18. It says he's faithful. In verse 21, it says he makes us stand firm. He anoints us. He sets a seal of ownership on us. In 23 of chapter 1, it says God was his witness. We have that backwards. We're like, let's go witness for God. And he's like, I'm calling God as my witness to why I'm doing this, which is a interesting thing. And so then he gets to here and he says he leads us and then we're sent from God. So what I'm

said is we're being attacked but actually God's the one he's the one using us they're actually attacking him yeah yeah that's a good thought I want to flesh that out a little bit more we're out of time so if you want to go over to blazedtv.com slash unashamed if you hadn't subscribed we got some overtime we're going to finish flushing this thought out so we'll see you on the other side thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast help us out by rating us on iTunes And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to blazed TV at blazestiv.com slash unashamed.