Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 456 | Jase's Parenting Dangers & Phil Decodes Pink Floyd

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

Jase has been spending a lot of time with his brother Jep, who introduced him to his new favorite song. Jase compares life to a wilderness, with all of its stresses. Phil loves the guitar picking of Pink Floyd, but disagrees with some of the lyrics. And Jase recalls the unexpected perils of raising children, balancing work and life, and finding time to sleep between cleaning up messes. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://blazetv.com/unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? It's quite the challenge to be good. Jesus said no one's good but God. So you get that firmly entrenched in your mind. You're saying, wait a minute. If no one is good but God, what am I to do? And I came away with the thought. The best you can do is try to be like the one who is good. The only one who's good.

The only one who's good. Everybody else is bad in the Bible, everybody. But bad's never mentioned. So the question came, do you go around, because there's a whole lot of verses, hundreds that say you go around doing good. And I got Titus mentioned eight times, Little Book of Titus. Yep. Be good, be good, be good, be good.

So I came away from you aspire to be good and do good. not to be saved. You're trying to be good because you know you are saved. Exactly, because there's no one good. You have all the bad, the baggage. It's removed. Now be like God, be good. No one else is good, but God.

To our audience, we were having Phil noticed that when he looked up good, there's a lot of it in the Bible. When he looked up bad, it had zero references. That's right. In the NIV. I said so it's deeper than, And that's good and that's bad. You know, solid foods for the mature, the Hebrew writer said,

who by constant use, so this is a process, have trained themselves to distinguish between good and evil. You say, hmm. But I did look it up, and it's the same word. Same Greek word. Yeah, same Greek word. Some would just read the text, though, and say, well, yeah, okay, go around doing good and being good. You say, yeah, they're like, but let me tell you something, it must be hard to do if no one's good but God. Yep.

But I think we're all bad. We're all evil when it comes to who's good and who's bad. That's the rich young ruler. He comes up there and that's where Jesus told him. He's, why do you call me good? Well, I think. Well, you know, I've kept all the command. He said, I'll tell what you do.

You know, give all your money away. and give it to the poor and come follow me. This is how you be good. But I think the reason you're looking at this is because the debate in the religious world, and if I use Galatians for an example, she said, what happened to the Galatians? Because they actually believed in Jesus. But they had Jesus, or a belief in Jesus, plus obedience, and in this case circumcision, To the law of Moses.

Yeah, to the law of Moses equals salvation. Yep. And so they came up basically with the formula of, like what you're saying, if you believe in Jesus, because Jesus is salvation. So you got Jesus or belief salvation, then obedience, because then it's about him. Yeah. So, but the tricky part of all that is is then you get into the response, but I believe the response is a surrender. Whatever your response is, even repentance or baptism or belief or, you know, accepting Christ.

Confession. It is a declaration that's not in the law or about the law. You're declaring that I can't, I am no longer using my performance as my God. or anchor to salvation. Yeah. Which, and you're exactly right. I used the illustration before on a podcast when we were talking about this

because someone sent me a note about it that, you know, if you declare bankruptcy, that's not just saying to everybody within earshot, I declare bankruptcy. I saw that on the show. It's like a process you do that provides you cover. And so it's not exactly the same, but I mean, the idea is a declaration is an encompassing surrender.

I think this is. Exactly, which is what I think. I mean, you can look into it yourself, but to me, the bigger problem in our churches is not that. It's more like, it's like these people who get into this, you know, they spend 10 years of just letting themselves go. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, I'm going to start working out and fix this in, you know, three days. Exactly. And until my point is, I heard this guy one time say, you know, he had spent his whole life. basically destroying his body and he's like, I got to start working out.

So he's like, by day three, he just, he literally thought he was going to die. So he just started watching workout videos. I mean, first he was participating. He said, then I just realized, I just had it on, but I'm just watching it. And I thought, it's like that in the church though. Yeah. It's like when you, you respond to Jesus. I mean, he's awesome.

you hear the grace of God, his plan. You're like, man, I'm going to get after it. And then, like, you know, a couple of Sundays roll around, and you basically just end up doing what seems silly on a workout. But we do the same thing. They just want to come watch somebody else work for about an hour. And then they go. Then they're good.

Yeah, there's no spiritual application. I do the same thing with this. I'm on least our new diet. And we're entering into the third week. And so now my favorite show is. is the Guy Fieri show, the Triple D, you know, he goes all these diners and dives around the country. And I get to watch other people eat. So, yeah, because I'm not doing it myself. Well, I was saying about that when you were talking about works, kind of the idea of works or

your own goodness dad. And I was talking about that, you know, Paul addressed it in the first, second chapter of Ephesians. When he said, is by grace, you have been saved through faith. this is not from your cells. It is the gift of God not by works so that no one can boast. So I think it's that same concept. If somehow you think you can achieve goodness by what you're willing to do in terms of your works, which is, and you describe the rich young ruler, I think that's exactly right, which is why you're always counterbalancing that. Somehow we have to embrace what God has done and not see ourselves as like unwinnable because we are.

I mean, he saved us. He said in verse 10, we are God's workmanship, creating Christ Jesus, to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. So it's not really about the works. It's more about the mindset. Yeah. I mean, that goes along with what, you know, I just, we just wrapped our show. And it was, I literally had a physical feeling when they all, they were all kind of clapping.

And I was, I wasn't anybody clapping the crew? The last tone. Yeah, I realized it's over. this has ended now it's never really over because you know a week later they'll call me like hey let's do some interviews or whatever we do this but for the most part what they call the i guess the in-scene stuff they've been here for three months i guess yeah it's over but you know those things y'all've been a part of them before and we were five years with our little duck show but so this seem small compared to that

although it was probably three months of prep and then three months of actually filming. But you know by the end... Making a TV show is not easy by the way. Yeah by the end because they... Just our audience knows that. I'll tell you what it is. In a sentence,

it is one of the most, if not the most, laborious. Loborious is a big word for Jays. Laborious. I got that one, Phil. That's why when he said, well you, were you, And it's a, it's a, we're done with this session of the show. We've, we've come to a milestone.

Ten episodes, we're all happy that it's over. I mean, the, the pressure is off. And you said, well, what do you want to do? Jay said it recommended a celebration. Yep. Well, what's a celebration to us? That means find the opalusus cat. That's what I said.

And the, Bill really came through. We had a party. Did you kill the fat and cat? on the show, and I didn't even feel comfortable about them walking up with a camera and aim at the fried fish. But I thought to myself, if they'll just keep that camera on the fried fish, not me. I said, I'll be happy. So I'm standing there for a frying fish.

So your hands made it. It'll be interesting to say. You're talking to them. I said, guess what's your filming here? And the cameraman kind of looked up like, what is it? I said, this is belly meat off of Apollusus catfish. Of course, the show that they're in, when the cameraman heard that, he thought, this is big. He said, you know, I said, you have croppy.

Now you have deboned. No bones you're in any of this fish. It's all been deboned. It's freshly caught this morning. It's a celebration. Time for Apollusus cat. that is the celebration. I was just doing that.

Did you have a mic? I didn't have a mic? No, they didn't want to know what I had to say. Well, that would be 50-50. I knew that. I just wanted them to film the fish. You have a mic on, you're going to be on the episode. If you thought it was in a good position, I was the cook.

That's all I wanted to do, just to cook. No, that was nice of you, and it was great. And by the way, I'm still eating those. I had them. They're good. They're good, cold. No, I mean, we, we didn't cook all, you didn't cook all what you Oh, so you still got like, I think that's enough.

You know, in deference to you, I left a little stash, one little, you know, three pound up I had in the ice box, we call it refrigerator. I had that stash back so that yesterday when I came home from meeting with the brothers, you know, I had the two pieces of the belly meat, the backbone, the left it. It's all intact, though. It's not like. So you ran it back for a second round. Then I invited Phyllis, the long lost daughter.

her artist husband to come bump off that. Oh, yeah. So we had that's a little bit of celebration. Lops are running. A lot of celebration was around that catfish. And the end of the production as well. Yeah, it was good. Laboreous, by the way.

Not that I had to look it up. Let's see. What does it say? Requiring considerable effort and time. That was the perfect. That's the perfect word for that. That's why I have moments. of stuff like that because of my past degrees in college.

But I will want everybody to know that my degrees, two degrees, never helped me with catching Apollosus catfish. Nobody ever brought it up. You were the most. They didn't mention Jesus and they didn't mention fish. You were the most educated commercial fishermen on the Washington River. They ever as been. Remember that one time when I came up with that word?

Those commercial fishermen, they don't have a degree in anything. Except how to fish. The labor. Remember that time I came up with that word and it happened to be right? Yeah. Was it scantily? Yep. So what I was going to say, though, is it literally, it saps you and there's no time to do anything else.

I mean, during this three months. Is it mental or physical or both? Both. Yeah. I was way more involved in how this was going to work. A lot of people, they say, ha, ha, ha, they see these little show, Jays. But having participated now with Duck Dynasty and this show, I mean. How do they do it now?

I mean, how big a grill grilling is it really? I mean, it's a, it's a grilling. Well, I realized in the first show that Willie was kind of doing what I'm doing in this. Which is much more glorious. People don't know us, and they come down, and it's a shock to them on how we just normally operate. You're way more engaged in the creativity side of the content of the show than you were on the first show. Which really, Phil saw it. You didn't see anybody saying, hey,

hey, let's do, we just, they just turn the cameras on, which is the way I like it. It just goes, and they're looking around like, thumbs up. Way better. Yeah, it's way better. It's hard from somebody from Los Angeles, California, or New York City to make the trick down here to get here, and then come up to you and your background, and they're trying to put words in your mouth. It'd be best if you just said, okay, it's a different. Well, I do say it's worthy of note I get your point, but most of the first. of the people that I was working with were from Texas and Montana.

I noticed as a person who was no part of the show, that's me, none. I was just simply asked to cook some fish for the film crew and the participants. I just noticed that it was, what do you say, it was, we were miles apart. We were miles apart in the way we think. The personality issues. And cultural. Cultural issues. Yeah, but.

Hang on, Jay's. Let's take a break. But I think, I think I enjoyed that crew. Well, what I was going to say was the way the crew that you work with in this laborious, the same thing else, you do something very difficult with a group of people, even if you're looking at it and you disagree or you've got different ideas, you build a bond with them. Because I remember when our show ended, I mean, like, I was generally. sad. There were people I would not get to see

anymore. I mean, I think about Jim Moore, you know, who's one of the best. You spend a lot of time. If you had time pieces like Jay says, and you were reaching in your pocket or looking on your arm or peep, peep, peep, on the computer, and you were looking up what time it is,

that would make it more misery. Yeah. Yeah, well, he wasn't doing that. It's best just to go with it and say, well, it's, I don't know when this thing's going to end, but plod through it. Well, there's no clocks out in dirt fields and What I was going to say is, before we got off into that, was about two or three days before it ended,

I mean, because the last couple weeks were really rough, you know, just because they were trying to do some pickup interviews from other episodes, and it was getting a little wonky. And so Jeff and I were driving, because Jeff always rode with me for some weird reason, and never had his stuff. He used my stuff and rode with me. for the last three months.

He's been... You just described the life of Jep. If we made a movie about Jep, it would be that. What scared me a little was I just cooked the fish, but I was with a film crew that had just finished the 10th episode of this, and it was my family members.

So when I'm sitting there at the table, I actually sat at the table. They probably wanted a little clip of that. But I was sitting there, and my family members, All of them are my children and their grandchildren. And we're just seated at a place, finishing a meal. But what was amazing is all of what they were talking about,

the entire time I was there, 15 minutes. They're filming. And everyone's eating, you know, we're eating the fish and a salad. Celebration. But I was listening to what they had to say. Jace, Willie was there, Jeff was there, you know, Murray Crow. sigh was down there but after they all got through speaking you had no idea i had no idea what they were talking about i mean i was like i was like out in the on a limb and and they're talking about

the show which i had no part of did you have your hearing we were talking about our adventure finally comes and that's the only part i played you know sign here before we've had you know and they're I'm like, why would I have to sign my name on a piece of paper just to walk up there and deliver some... You probably didn't if you didn't have a mic. But it was really eye-opening. I said, I don't know what they're talking about. Well, it's good. You'll have to watch the show.

And you'll figure it out. What I was going to say is that we got in the vehicle. It was about an hour. We were going about an hour and a half away. And I just, you know, this thing taxes you mentally and physically. and your normal life suffers because of it because it's not like my wife's not busy. We have a little baby and I mean,

there's a lot of things going on. And so I just noticed that all the things in my house, there are a lot of things that have gone wrong. You saw some of my stove broke, my ice machine. And the baby didn't come from you. The baby. Oh, but they know that, I think. No, no, what are you talking about they?

The people are listening. There's listeners that have no idea what you're talking about. We have a little baby that said, No, well, he's a good dad. No, there's 19 people listening to this. 18. Well, no, all right, for the one that does it, we have a baby that we're fostering. It's a complicated situation.

Good clarification. So, look, there's a reason people my age are not having babies because it's very tax. I mean, you forget. Four o'clock in the morning. Yeah, there we go. Spitting up, just projectile vomiting at any moment. Would you like to go back down that memory lane, dad, of the... Are urinating on your wife?

Yeah, my wife, before she was going to go film. She was a 15-minute delay. She was going to change the diaper. Pete, just direct it, yeah. And so even yesterday, we were late for church. We were literally walking out, and it just... I heard it just... I just look, and it just, like, half the floor was painted white.

She's looking at me Missy's looking at me like I'm gonna need a minute Yeah hey take your time I mean that's back in the day That's what you did And you thought you were done with child rearing But what I'm saying though is mom

I have a little Our little pool Something happened to it It's broken The heating and air on the top floor No heating and air And when I went up to try I thought the batteries had run out

The little thingy The thermostat Yeah. Next thing, you know, the whole thing ripped off the wall, fell into five pieces. I said, well, we're going to need a new one of these. Which, by the way, is why rednecks should not try to fix things they don't know about. Stove broken.

I mean, I bought the most expensive stove I could buy, and it didn't last five years. Yeah, Phil gave its thumbs down anyway. It actually still works. No good. But you have to light. You know what the problem with those real expensive ones? Because everybody's had the same problem Jeff did, too, when I lived at his house. They're so temperamental when they're expensive like that.

The littlest thing. Well, you know what happened to this one? A small nail went down, I think I told you all this, went down to garbage disposal, tripped the breaker when the garbage disposal was on, and that surge blew out the little panel that operated the stove. It looks like a little panel. It turned black.

I mean, we knew something was wrong when we had a guy to come over to fix it, and he was trying to get that stove on and just smoke started coming in the back of the stove. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He pulled out the panel. He's like, so, of course, now they don't make those anymore. Of course they do. So, uh, so what do you need?

I think you need a different brand. We won't get into brands, but. No. Good, Phil. So what? That's actually. So I said all that to say, you know, you feel like your life is kind of falling apart here because you don't have time to fix anything.

No. You just. And so, like, you go. in like we had a few nights where I went in I opened the refrigerator there's nothing in there you're looking around you know it's just and so while you're filming so anyway so I'd had a couple days of this and we got in that truck I told you up I was like we're listening to worship music this morning all the way over there and he went sounds good to me because I thought oh you might be feeling what I'm feeling was any of the fruit of the spirit were you able to put that on the

airwaves via the show. Oh, yeah. Oh, of course, Phil. Or did they just cut that out? No, no Jesus time. I haven't seen the show. I've only filmed. I was filmed.

But I have a really good feeling that the irony of the show will be that there's a lot more, when it comes to treasure, there's a lot more in the show that is not, we're digging out of the dirt. So to your point about Jeff, he was, so he's looking for pants. from you. About two, I guess it's a couple episodes ago, he comes up to mouse. He said, Al, you got any non-logos shirts? And I was like, non-logos.

So I remember it. I thought, yeah, you got to Greek it out, you know. So I said, well, yeah, let's go look. So we went in my closet. I came up with three shirts and sent them with him. So, I mean, literally the man came here without clothing, I guess. There's many running themes in the show about that. But to answer your question, yes, there are multiple fruits of the spirit in the show.

But what I was going to say is, well, Jep said, well, there's a song I've been listening to. And he said, I just can't get it all my mind. We listen to someone, he put it on. And it's called, I think it's the hottest song in contemporary worship right now. It's called Honey and Honey, is it Honey from the Rock or Honey in the Rock? Now, let me go go look. I think it's honey in the rock, but I will make sure. Honey in the rock.

Have you heard that? I don't think I have. Well, so Jop started playing. playing this song. Yeah, it's Honey in the Rock. And let me tell you who sings it. Hang on, Jay's. Let's take a bread. I think it's pronounced. Brooke Lichertwood.

She's from Australia. And Brandon Lake. Now, I've seen him from elevation. And so, but I hear this song and it just seemed to fit everything that I described up until this point in this moment. You know, where, where,

I just, it was like, just salve to the soul. I don't know. It may. So I reached down and look, I just, as soon as it was over, I push rewind where he goes back. Yep. And so then it played again. Jelp reached over.

We literally played that nonstop for an hour. We listened to the same song for one hour. And then when they... We all singing it by the time, by the time again? No, we weren't. We were just sitting there. It was kind of blue-bar. Because you'd gotten caught up in it and sang it.

So then when we left at the 12 hours later, we cranked it back up. And we did the same thing all the way back home. And so. Well, that had to help the mood, just the general overall. Well, when I got back home, I just thought, I don't think I've ever done that before, where I played a song over and over and over again. So I was like, I'm going to look into this song. Yeah.

So when I got home, looked up on my computer. they had I was looking for it and it had a 12 minute version and I was like oh this is also there's some extended version well it was the four minute song and then I got interviewed him on how the song came to be and so I watched it well the girl Brooke I mean she sounds like she's from Australia so I don't know maybe they live here now but she had she had this this thought in her mind and then the guy Brandon Blake he kind of told the story he's like well

he was working out some guy called him and said basically just started into it and it's a verse in Psalm 81 and 16 it said

but you would be fed with the finest of wheat with honey from the rock I would satisfy you So then I thought, well, that's weird. I didn't even know that was in the Bible. Had you ever seen that?

No. Well, when you go back and read Psalm 81, well, you know what it's all about. It's about Moses leading the people in the wilderness, this whole thing that when we went over and first. Well, when you said that, I mean, I thought about the water, obviously, that came from the rock, but I had never heard the term. Well, you remember like. If you read verse 7, you know, of Psalm 81, it says, in your distress you call, and I rescue you, answered you out of the thunder cloud. I tested you at the waters of Maribah.

You probably remember the history of that better than me. Right. But if you fast forward, I think where we left off the podcast was in 2nd Corinthians 3. Didn't we leave off? We did. We got to the end of three. And you remember we're talking about Moses. He made this.

And the veil. And the veil. Well, you also remember that in 1st Corinthians 10, I have a point on why I'm going to this. First Corinthians 10, you remember when he said, I don't want you to be ignorant of the fact brothers that our forefathers were all under the cloud, which is the same reference to Psalm 81 here.

And that all passed through the sea. And you remember the red sea, they went through the water to safety because of God's... And a pillar by night and a fire by night and a pillar by day that covered them. So that's how they knew which way to go. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food, drank the same spiritual rock,

uh, spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them. And that rock was Christ. Nevertheless, okay. And so I got to think about that. So the guy ran in Lake said, this guy called me, he read the verse, and he's like, he's like, man, that's a song. I mean, meanwhile, so he's making rounds on singers he likes, so he calls Brooke.

She's like, well, you're not going to believe this. I mean, I've just listened to this podcast by Tim Keller. I don't know if you've ever heard of it. Oh, yeah. I've read a lot of his books. Yeah. He did a podcast called Honey from the Rock. Psalm 81.

She's like, I just heard that. So it was an episode of Keller's podcast? A podcast. They have four points. And she's like, here they are. She's out, I've listened to it a few times that's in. Life is a wilderness. And, of course, in the podcast, because I went and listened to it.

You know, wilderness, when you, because there's a lot in here about wilderness. but in the Bible in the Greek it's more desert you know when I went over to the Negev desert in Israel and we spent the night there there was no life right there was not a bird it was I saw nothing move kind of like a dead zone and we hadn't brought our own water we'd probably we'd been in trouble I mean it yeah it's dead which by the way that idea of provision because we talk about the man and we talk about the water from the rock. But just think about the pillar, the cloud cover during the day when you're in a hot desert, what that would do for these couple of million people, however many it was,

and then heat at night, because it gets cold at night too, doesn't it, Jay's? Oh, gee whiz. So the purpose of the fire was, it was more than just, you know, so they could see. It was also the heat it brought. So, I mean, God, even in that setting, he said, I'm going to get you out of Egypt. He provided for them the whole process. And I highly recommend. Look, that podcast up. Tim Keller, Honey from the Rock. He wrote one of the best books on the

23rd Psalm I've ever read. At some point in his life, he shepherded sheep. So he gave a lot of personal things from Psalm 23 that I've never thought. It's really good. But his point was, and the point, the whole thing we just went through of Moses and all,

they could not have survived without God's providence. They were not going to survive. Correct. Especially for 40 years, wandering around in it. They wouldn't have made it 40 days. That's why, so the song, when you listen to it, man on the ground, everything, you know, I need, God provides. Yep.

Which you got to remember back to 1st Corinthians 10, that gets down to the end and he starts saying, you know, God is faithful. He'll always provide a way out. He provides a way out. And so he told a cool illustration from the second law of thermodynamics, which basically says that at some point, everything falls apart. Everything without some intervention. Losing a little energy all the time.

He gave an illustration. He's like, you cook a chicken, I'm going to use this because it was a good illustration. He said, you cook a chicken, you're excited about it. It comes out of the oven. You put it on the table, and you're excited about this. But he said, give it three hours. You're less excited.

It begins to dry out. It's like, don't touch it. Three weeks later. Give it a little time. A mold will show up. Yeah, now all of a sudden you're like, ooh, ooh, the smell, something. What's chicken sitting there? He said, give it three months.

Now you're putting your whole family in jeopardy. We've got diseases, bacteria. He's like, give it three years. It's falling apart. It was really good. Point. Hang on, Janice. Let's take a breath.

So the point is, you can't do it. So life is a wilderness. There's a rock in the wilderness. Now, he read this in Deuteronomy 32, which I won't read the whole thing. I mean, you can in your own time. But four different times, he refers to, I believe it's a song. He refers to God as the rock. Four different times in that church.

in that chapter. And so, third, there is honey. What was the second one? There's a rock in the wilderness. So life is a wilderness. Yeah, there is a rock in the wilderness. There is honey in the rock,

which is, he made a good point there about how you encounter. You think about when we encounter, or God encounters us. I mean, you think about Moses, where was it when the first encounter was at the burning bush where out in the desert yeah tending some sheep Elijah uh you remember john the baptist when he came about it was a voice crying out in the wilderness well you remember which by the way what did he eat honey and oh it's just a coincidence mm-hmm so and what was you going to say no i was thinking about different ones that even paul remember

when he first was converted, he said he went out for a little, you know, time in the desert, you know, with some kind of direct tutelage from the Almighty. So that idea. But kind of by himself. Yeah, by himself. So I'm saying. Oh, Jesus, yeah, he went. Because that's where you realize, you know, to make that illustration for us,

is that you can't do it. Right. There's, this whole world is a wilderness. It's a desert. And that's what, look, there's way more, it's a 45-minute podcast. But, I mean, it's like, the reason people they have in their mind oh if i have a successful career or if because like me i'm saying about this show you get caught up in it and they're they're telling you all these great oh this y'all are awesome this is great this is going to go whatever you know people are gonna they're gonna love it they're gonna well what if they don't and even if they do this is there's this we're in a desert here this has nothing to do with i'm saying from a worldly viewpoint just doing a show or just doing a show or making money or these are all things found in the world that promises, promises contentment and

joy and even happiness, but doesn't deliver because we've already gone over the fact, everything's falling apart. When you say everything is great, I'm on top of the world, that's when you need to look out. Because you're a million miles away from God. You realize you can't do it. I mean, that was the point. So the fourth thing was that Jesus, well, you remember where he's, you remember where he's, where did he go after he's baptized he wasn't baptized because of his sins he didn't have any sin but he

had that surrender moment to the greater purpose he then is carried by the holy spirit to the wilderness to the desert and and has this encounter the same one we have with the evil which is where you started off feel this evil presence yep and so well what did he do well he was the only adult who ever passed the test. So his point was Jesus passed the test in the wilderness for us. That's where you get into the honey, the sweetness of what God did, the fruits of what he did, not only the power, it's in that rock. I mean, the rock had multi-task, you know, for shade and water. And so that's basically what he went through.

And I thought, no wonder this song is so appealing to me. Yeah, exactly. The scary thing is when you think you're on the top of the mountain, when Jesus told the guy that the rich young man, go sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you'll have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. The man's face fell.

He went away sad because he had great wealth. Jesus looked around and said to the disciples, and here's what scares me, how hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God. The disciples were amazed at his words, but Jesus said again, children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God. It is easier for a camel to go through the eyes. of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. So I guess the only thing I'll tell you all is when we came to Jesus,

we basically were poor. So now that we're rich. Well, let me read something, Phil. If it's that difficult, so difficult, it's like putting the camel through the eye of a needle, that scares me out. Well, let me read this, Phil. You know what I'm saying? Let me read this.

Listen, 2 Corinthians 8, 9, for you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ that though he was rich, yet for your sake, he became poor so that you through his poverty might become rich, which is basically what you just said. Yeah. So what I was going to say is, A rocks are most of the time viewed as a stumbling block or even I thought about, you know, if you came up, there's a road block and there's a bunch of rocks. You're like, but here, you know, God used that rock where water came out of it, which is a supernatural occurrence to show you that it's about him, not necessarily about me, which is where we started. But even I think in the irony of things, you remember in John 8 where the woman was called an adultery, and what did the religious people do?

They picked up rocks and were fixing to throw them at another person instead of, that's why Jesus is the rock, but his rock is not one that he hurls down. It provided sustenance, salvation, and I think even sweetness. I think that's where the honey comes in there. but it's not what we want to do because we tend to take rocks and throw them at other people that's just how we roll yeah but the more i study that i bet studying this for a couple days as you can tell because i i really i thought man i needed this in because i was you know i've been i just i was exhausted physically spiritually mentally you know because they really tax you and try to get everything out of you for these productions they're just it just never stops it's a bunch of it's a bunch of

them and there's only a few of us. But I needed that moment in there to realize, you know, what's more important is this. I mean, this, having Jesus, having a relationship with God, but being used by God to share Jesus, because that's where your real sustenance and provision is. Right. Everything else is going to fall apart. Let's take our last break. You know, I mean, you're exactly right. It is interesting, Jay's that I was going to apologize to the audience earlier. It is a pine pollen season in Louisiana. So there's half an inch on my truck when I got back from North Carolina of pine pollen.

And what happens is it comes off these pine trees off the pine cones at this part of the season. And it literally, of the back of all of our throats, as we're sitting there, you keep hearing it's clear our throat, is covered with this substance and this man. Well, when you go outside, you can actually. feel it hitting your face. Yeah, right. You can feel it hitting your skin, just the pollen in the air. That's... It's so funny, we were driving back from South Carolina, North Carolina, and I was thinking,

man, when I get home, I got to get a water hose out and wash my truck off because it had it on there for I left. I thought it was a way bad. I pull up in the driveway, and there's Anna, washing my truck in the driveway, my oldest daughter, because they'd gotten home a couple hours ahead of us, and I said, you know what? I may have done a lot of things wrong, raising my kids, but I did something right. When your daughter's out there watching the pine falling off your truck. She knew she didn't want you to face that.

She did. And she knows how bad it affects me, too. So that's why I got a lot of throat clearing going on, by the way. But I was what I was going to say, Jace, was you made the point about, I think is it called entropy, where it is the idea that everything has a beginning and an end. I think that's the word for it. But anyway, so that concept, the show, the reason you. you had these feelings that was really interesting that God gave you that song that has then

led to this study you've been doing is that everything even a show a season of a show an episode of a it all has a beginning and an end and there's always a way you go into it and there's a way you deal with it once it's over and that's anything in life yeah I mean or in the universe everything oh I agree I was going to give you the lyrics on the song and look if you're uh this because it's It's pretty new. I think it's been out a couple months. So there's honey in the rock, water in the stone, manna on the ground. No matter where I go, I don't need to worry.

Now that I know, everything I need you've got, there's honey in the rock. Pray for a miracle, thirsty for the living well. Only you can satisfy. Sweetness at the mercy seat. Now I've tasted it's not hard to see. Only you can satisfy. There's honey in the rock. Then it says freedom where the spirit is, bounty in the wilderness, you will always satisfy.

There's hunting in the rock. Then it says, I keep looking. Oh, no. I'll skip one part. Purpose in your plan, power in the blood, healing in your hand, started flowing when you said it's done. Everything you did is enough. I keep looking. I keep finding.

You keep giving. You keep providing. I have all that I need because you are all. that I need. Maybe that's why when you're reading too when Jesus said I'm the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end.

Maybe that's why he summed it all up right there. That's right. And the last line... Because you said everything ends, but not this one. Not him. And the last thought was you keep giving, you keep providing. I mean, I keep looking,

I keep finding, because you keep giving, keep providing. I have all that I need. It's really a neat song. It's a simple song, but it's really neat. It's a song of hope. It is. But it's got a good vibe to it, to a rhythm, good harmony. And, of course, they're world-class singers. But I'm proud when people who follow Jesus do something not only that the world needs. I mean, it's basically the nuts and bolts of the gospel and who God is and why he did what he did and we're the reason he did that. But they also, just do it at a very high level. So I was, I was wanting to talk about it and appreciate

you to allow me to get into it because it's a great song and it's a great story. Well, and there are, there are so many great songs that are written and they are mostly inspired, obviously in our world, by the Bible and by Psalms. I mean, that's a book of songs is what it is. I mean, those were all sung, you know, by someone, and that's why it's in the Bible. So that tells you right there. And that's spread out by the, way over generations. I mean, Moses has a song in there. David did most of them, but there's a lot of other guys that wrote songs that made their way into the Bible. Even Pink Floyd borrowed from the Bible. It was just another brick in the wall. They were doing it in a negative thing.

Is that in the Bible? Is that in the Bible? When Peter's talking over there, when Peter said, you're a stone in the kingdom. I don't think Pink Floyd was thinking that. I don't think he knew that was in the Oh, he didn't know if it was in the Bible. He didn't even know what he was saying. He was saying another brick and the wall. And I'm glad to be there. He was looking at it from a negative thing.

You're just another brick in the wall. They just keep stacking somebody on top of it. Well, I never even thought about it, Phil. But that is a good point. We are living stone. We are. As you come to him, the living stone rejected by men by chosen of God, you also like living stones or being built

unto a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and you are right, Pink Floyd. I'm just one brick in the wall and proud of it, dude. Oh, yeah. It's almost good guitar picking, but not much thought about eternity. It's almost the rolling stone, the living stones.

That would be a good name to a group. Yes, right. or the rolling stones well might be a good one if they were rolling that means they were no longer together being built maybe that was their point their idea was yeah we're individualists

stones don't roll right yeah their idea was that it's just it's just pathetic because we don't have enough time to do what we want to do we run out of time Pink Ford got a song about that sorrow it just they said it's not enough

have you been listening to Pink Floyd Atlanta? About 30, 40 years. Oh. There's some rascals. But some of the stuff they sang about, I said, boys, if you could just sit down me off a little bit, you might change your mind about being sorrow and being another brick in the wall.

It's a great thing. They would say, what? But, Dad, you wouldn't know this, but since I travel a lot, I see billboards and I hear local advertisements all around the country. All the, I mean, not all, but most of the bands of the 70s, like that. late six and 70, they're still doing it. Yeah. They're your age.

Yeah. They're still performing. Hang it on. I just saw a thing. The Doobie brothers are coming to wherever I was just last at, and, you know, and they're doing it with Michael McDonald, the old lead singer. So these people are in their 70s. They're still rocking.

I only bring it up because the material that Jayce is talking about, the country Western singers that they put that song together from material they got from the Bible. There are a lot of other people that started out in the 70s, and they're getting their songs from every one of them, but they get some of them from here. You know, who was the old guy? Highway to hell. Yeah, you see, yeah, that's biblical. Well, it is, but that's depressing.

This is encouraging. That's correct. That was Judas Priest, was it? Highway to hell? I don't know, but you said these people are still rocking. I think they're attempting. Well, I'll put it this way. They're still selling out shows, and people are paying to listen to them.

So, hey, that's... I mean, it's like when Willie and I went to a George Jones concert, like during his later, much later years. And it just, we just went because we liked Georgia Jones. It didn't do it for you. Well, about halfway through it, he just stopped singing and just started talking through the song. He was just reading. And everybody clapped.

I mean, everything else was fine, but he's like, no, I'm done. Because you reach a point when you're big enough that you just do whatever you want to. You're like, why'd you go? George Jones. That's right. Exactly. You got to see him. What did they call him?

What was George Jones's nickname? The possum? Possum, I don't know. I need the possum. Somebody will let me know. I think that's right. Oh, man. We're off the rails.

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