Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 461 | Phil Does Not Recommend Public School for ANYONE & the Verse That Reminds Jase of Uncle Si

Episode Date: April 15, 2022

Jase and Al discuss fallen angels and the condition of redemption. Phil explains why he no longer recommends public education for anyone, and Al looks at the clues to a rebellion in heaven from the past. Jase jokes about the cultural phenomenon of the selfie and the lack of need for a mirror. Phil discusses the fight for a governmental fix for a spiritual problem and the epidemic of social media-induced fears and anxiety. And Jase shares his favorite verse that reminds him of Uncle Si. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So on our last overtime, by the way, if you missed the overtime, Dad sang, he doesn't sing very often on the podcast. He actually sang a bar. So dad, I looked up, you asked me what the words were to what a friend we have in Jesus. So I found that for this podcast. Phil just got his earfalls off, so he didn't even know you're talking to him. That's okay. We had some technical difficulties. So, Dad, I looked up the words, What a friend we have in Jesus.

Because you sang that on the overtime last time. What a friend we have in Jesus, all our sins and griefs to bear. Yeah. What a privilege to carry everything to God in prayer. Oh, what peace we often forfeit. Oh, what needless pain we bear, all because we do not carry everything to God in prayer.

When was that written? When was that written? When was that written? I'm going to guess 1855. 1855. You realize I've only found two coins older than that, I think? 1855 is when that song. That would have made it right before the Civil War or right after.

Civil War does start until 1860. Right before. Incredible. Yep. So Phil, see, technology. You got to look, I thought of something for you. So you got, because we explored, I can't go into details about some of these shows we're going to do, but I think I can dance around this.

We can edit it if I don't. But we stumbled upon a civilization, not we, I mean just modern day here in the last 70 years, where people were here three to four thousand years ago. And even here the place, not far from here, four or five miles, Watts and Break, I think it's older than that. Mm-hmm. And so, but it made me think. Those Indian mounds. Yeah.

So it made me think those, you know, we were, here we are hunters and gathers, and then we got into the, this was before, you know, back then was even before agriculture. but agriculture comes along and it just completely changes civilization so then what happens the industrial revolution happens well that just turned everything on its head because now it was real tough because your family would just hang out together but now that people are going off to work and to them It's kind of like now we're in this informational age. Well, that's even worse. It's a bummer. As bad as you think that.

I mean, but I'm saying there was a time in our history when the Industrial Revolution hit that it was like, oh, no. I mean, what's happened to the family structure? Everybody's gone. Go in their separate ways. We never had any idea. All of the ideologies, ideologies, ideologies, ideologies, all. of them they say in order to get socialism communism whatever dictatorships in order to get them there you have to rid the earth of the family structure oh that's where it all starts grandma

grandpa sons daughters granddaughter's son holding together you say get rid of that because as long as they have that you'll never be able to conquer well the number one training ground in the world for your kids is the house. That breaks down. You can't expect society to fix what's going on. We're teetering on the, we're on the edge of collapse. Some people have said, oh, some old guy running his mouth down there, I'm telling y'all, unless there's some kind of mass repentance with these next few elections coming

up, unless there's a mass repentance, I'm telling you this thing is going to be belly up. I hate it for y'all. y'all will see it it used to be it used to be easy you never had it wasn't hard to have your value system taught generationally because to your point jays for the first you know i guess 150 plus years of our country's existence everybody was in that agricultural setting of farms generations there so in other words it wasn't hard it wasn't like you had to say you know we got to make sure we learn from grandpa and we got to spend more time with their parents because it was just life and so the change was when the culture changed and then the opportunities changed

now we're saying things like we've got to get back to that we got we got to get back to families we got back to generation well i mean look phil when you're you came to the lord you know whatever the reason to escape your past whatever when you basically decided not to use your master's degrees and moved down to the riverbank and just kind of live off the land and return back to that hunter-gatherer. We had a garden agriculture type. With granny and pom and tow. Well, our grandparents were here, you know, and y'all were out. I'm not sure where y'all were at my childhood, but we were here.

And so we had that family structure. And I really think there's no, that's, that's, there's no other really. explanation. The reason I think our family held up well through the years is because it was a great foundation. You know, whether, and not to say that mistakes weren't made and all that, but we dealt with them and we got through them. And now, well, Jay's, Jay's, that 15 years that we were able to spend from 76 to 91 with our grandparents, and you and I got the biggest benefit because, you know, our Jeff and Willie were younger. But we got so much. more than just learning how to play dominoes and cards and getting to hang out with them.

I mean, we heard their wisdom of their life, things they had learned. We learned a lot of Bible from them. And so, I mean, I wouldn't trade anything for that time I had with them. And even Lisa got in on it because, you know, we were married and she still had some time with them too. So, and, you know, I get the opportunity now and I consider one of the greatest blessings ever that my kids and my grandkids live about 150 yards of me on the either side of where I live. Yeah. So not everybody gets that.

Opportunities don't always, you know, are there for people to live that type lifestyle. But I mean, now I'm grandpa. We turn. We turn the family structure over to the government to teach and guide our children. Bad move. I would not recommend any children going to public schools now. I just wouldn't do it.

It's getting worse and worse. Getting worse and worse. Well, yeah. Yeah, used to, I mean, people who, like, homeschooled, they were considered kind of freakish, you know. Yeah. Now you're like, huh, I see your point. It went from cultists to end. You're exactly right.

But it's the, you know, people blame the system. And that's why I stay out of politics so much, because now, through this informational age, you no longer have the news. You can't find just a place where you just hear what's happening. opinion. Y'all, it's all, I mean, no matter what the issue is, they just line people up. And they literally cover the same ground on two different perspectives. And they argue, and I'm not sure if that's necessarily a good thing all the time. They're fixated on sex.

They're fixated on it. And they can't get off of it. And everything you hear from them, that comes out. So I would recommend y'all have raised y'all's children. Your children are adults now. Yep. Should I'm saying? Both you.

I'm looking at adults, but those adults are beginning to have children and you say, hmm, it's those times that scare me. Y'all better just keep a tight rain on your family structure is all I can tell you. But it was just like the Industrial Revolution. It wasn't the products that they were making because it was exciting. I mean, it's the same thing with the information now. you have to ask yourself a question, am I reading this or is it reading me in every aspect, whether it's TV or what you listen to or your phone?

I think that's the question you've got to ask yourself. Because I mean, like when we were down here with very little technology and very little manufacturing tools, I mean, it was pretty basic down here. I mean, you are hand-making nets and different things. But what it allowed you to do, I think, is find this humility that we talked about last podcast, which is essential. Because, you know, I've always been pretty cocky and especially, you know, I'm a competitor. If we didn't prove anything else, Jay's, we proved, it can be done. But I remember every time I would brag or be disrespectful, even in playing dominoes or whatever, you know,

because I've always been good at games. And so, but, you know, at an early age when I'm down here, when you don't have any kind of technology or, I mean, I live, I woke up every morning thinking, who am I going to beat today? I'm fixed to win. And so, but with that came a lot of arrogance and cockiness, you know. But as a kid, thankfully, I was in a. structure where because I remember y'all the punishments was usually work i mean there there were you know a few butt-wuppance for some reason jace uh i coined the phrase it came from me and they said when your name would come up i said lone wolf mccade yeah but i remember what i'm said is when

the cockiness would reach a certain level y'all were real good at finding the nastiest of jobs get us to do. And then you're like the whole time, yeah, boy, you're hot stuff now. You know, I mean, it just, I remember I gave you all the speech. You were young, all of you. Al was there. I would say, probably Al was early teens. Then y'all just went on down.

I gave you a speech one time. I gathered everybody up. I said, here's the way this works. I said, I'm going to catch these fish and come to the bank down there. The fish have to go from the boat to the truck. I said, your mother is going to drive the truck. I said, y'all are to be helpers. You're to be standing on the bank when you see the boat coming.

I said, I want y'all to be standing on the bank. And the task is we get the fish from the boat to the tubs, walk up that slippery, muddy bank, get them over in the pickup truck. then you can go with your mother if you want to to the fish market but y'all need to help me on that because when I pull up out here I got 400 pounds of fish 5,000 pounds of fish I'm having to load them all up in the tubs

and get a both grip on both side of the tub and stagger up that hill yeah but if you would explain it that way it'd have been a lot more fun you as the years have gone by because when I pulled up the next morning I looked up there on the bank and y'all were all standing there from the oldest to the least

and some couldn't even pick up a tub, you know, Jeff. But I just looked and y'all were standing there with your mother. I said, you know what? I think they're going to help me. So I'd pull up and then it would go forth. And we did that. Well, I'm on giving the translation.

I have a totally different memory of those times. My memory was, hey, get your butt down there and get on the other end of that tub. What do you think? You want to eat supper, don't you? You want something to eat? Get your butt down there. But I'm saying.

You don't start helping out. There would be some leather on the... Yeah, I don't think there was a choice in the matter. But what my point was, it taught us humility, taught us value of hard work about not thinking yourself more highly than you are. We literally were living of what I was catching. We literally lived. It was a humble, it was humble means. It was.

And even... think about now, Jay's, you stayed the course. You will. No, I'm grateful. Look, I'm grateful. And you look up and you say, good night. We're millionaires. I mean, started out with fish coming up the riverbank, you know. But that's way more scary because when you're, when you have blessings and when you think you're arrived, well, that's when you're in trouble. Yep. And you just see it over and over from a biblical. Just for the record, I'm more of a thousandaire. just just just just just we'll be able to clarify but it's about perspective you know it's just it is it is what's the diff but it takes us back to that pride thing i mean you you read that

isaecchio 28 in the fall of the evil and i mean it we we usually go to the garden as where it went wrong but it went wrong somewhere in the fact that because god does not you know create evil at one time the evil one was good and if you read that that illustration from Ezekiel 28 where I mean maybe you you're you're more of the Old Testament guy but it's like it's it's it's a description of a king but it's done in a way where almost it's mirroring what happened to the evil one and why he went awry and he was beautiful he thought of himself oh look I'm better than all the rest of you angels you mentioned pride in the last podcast that's pride was there I mean maybe I think it's

I'm taking that out there you know I'm looking at too let's take a break yeah it was a prophecy against a king but you're right the the languaging has always sort of mirrored the idea that we get about Satan being a fallen angel, the morning star, the, you know, one time he was, there was a rebellion and having, you know, we, we only get these little clues here and there about, you know, what happened in that other realm that has nothing to do with us in the initiation. It has everything to do with us once Satan got here. Yep. You know, so, I mean, we don't know exactly how it all went down, but I know there was rebellion.

I know there were angels that decided that they knew better than God. And the difference is between us and them, this we know too from Peter, is that they don't get the opportunity of reconciliation like we do. That's right. Okay, I got it now. It was Ezekiel 28. So in this prophecy about this king of tire, he says, this is what the sovereign Lord says.

You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty, which I mean, to my point, when you think you're on the top of the mountain, that's when you need to say, uh-oh. Yep. You were in Eden, the garden of God. Every precious stone adorns you,

and he goes through these stones. Your settings and mountains were made of gold. You were anointed as a guardian cherub. For so, I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God and walked among the fiery stones. You are blameless in your words. ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. So it does seem like

that's mirroring some image of the devil slash the evil one. What do you think of? Right. Yeah, absolutely. I've always taken it as that, especially with those references in there. A lot of the Old Testament prophecy would always have a double meaning. In other words, it would be about something that was going on in their day. But then you see the New Testament writers quoted all the time because it was prophetic about Jesus or about something that was going to happen in the future. In this case, I think it was prophetic about what happened in another realm. I think he uses Satan's fall as a picture for the fall of this guy, you know.

Yeah, so you fast forward to Secretary of the Five where we're at. We're talking about this not becoming prideful in his admonition to humble yourselves before the Lord, be used by the Lord so that he can reconcile the world to himself. And what we read in James 4 last time, when we talked about the friendship with the world is hatred toward God, you know, verse 7 of James 4, he says, submit yourselves then to God, which will be the opposite of pride. Then it says, resist the devil, and he'll flee from you.

Come near to God, and he'll come near to you. Wash your hands, your sin and purify your hearts, grieve, mourn, change your love. after the morning your joy to gloom, humble yourselves for the Lord, and he'll lift you up. So I see a connection there with having those spiritual qualities that Jesus started off with on the sermon on the Mount and this humility and being open-minded in your perspective of Jesus and who you are and keeping pride out of your life. But you're not going to do it easily.

You know, I jotted down a few things that I think that's helpful to that. I mean, one we've already talked about putting your faith in, you know, things rather than the creator. But also in our informational world, I mean, you just think, I think just having this verb or noun called a selfie, I mean, that's the image now. the informational world where you can take a picture of yourself and call it a selfie and your whole world speaking of what he's talking about in 2ndtenthians 5 about not thinking like the world from a worldly point of view you can either use it for something good you know have it a platform for jesus put that information out there which some people do of course then it's censored but most people that are falling into the trap, it's the glorification of yourself, which causes pride, and

what your status is. And you lose this, what you should have, which is what you are is plain to God. You're just thinking what you are is how you present yourself out there in a way that somehow you're better than everybody else or you're more beautiful than everybody else or you're more successful than everybody else, so people like you and they follow you. And I just think that's a cliff that doesn't have a happy ending. No, it's built on such a ungodly principle. You know, it's funny, Dad, because if you were going to, you wondered,

because something didn't feel right about your face or your beard or something, what would you go do if you wanted to see what the problem was? What would you, what would your action be? What would you look into? I look no further than the culture I live in. I just observe it. You went deep. I meant just a mirror.

I meant a mirror. You would go look in a mirror, right, if you were going to wonder if there's something wrong with your face. Kids today, they don't look at mirrors. They take a picture of themselves on their phone. And then they pull the image of their face up on the phone to see, check their makeup, check the maybeline, all that. No, some of them take a picture of them in a mirror and put that on there.

Well, I don't know how many there are out there in our culture who just said this. Look, Al, I just walled it off. When I saw the years ago, I could see it forming. And I said, it's not a governmental fix. It's not a political fix. It's a spiritual fix. I agree. I agree.

I view it from the spiritual side. Therefore, I don't watch all this stuff that you're saying because it's just nonstop. But the same principle is there going back to the evil one, people full of pride, you know, get that Bible. I'm a way, yeah, yeah, fixated on sex and the various ways you can be immoral, it just was too much for me to bear. I said, no, I don't want anything to do with that. To this day, I just don't look at cell phones and say, you know, damn. will pull up something in the cosmos and show me every once in a while the eunuch old day and he'll show me something and i'll look at i said man who why would you ever doubt there as a god after looking

at this he shows me things like that right but if day-to-day human beings attack but i'm saying attacking each other and governments passing edicts and we got to wear a mask and got to do the rules and rules and rules and rules i just said no i just can't take it know, but saddens me so much. But my point is we're here, and we have a passage that we're trying to persuade me and based on Christ's love. So I'm saying I do think there are ways that you can use it for something good, and there's a lot of people doing that.

But we have to remember that when we move into 2nd Corinthians 6, when we get over there on that path, when the Apostle Paul begins to say what he's going through just to get the message out, it makes me think we are in a far better position to point people to Jesus than the Apostle Paul and his cohorts were the initial apostles. There's no denying that they were all were slaughtered,

but when you start reading over there in beatings, imprisonment, and riots, and hard work and sleep. When you start reading what these guys were going through, it makes me think we have it way better than these guys had it 2,000 years ago. True? I mean, we do as far as comfortability, but I'm a humble, I mean, they were, I think this is what was causing a lot of humility. That's what I'm saying.

It's hard, it's easier because your life is more pleasant, and you're more comfortable. But now you're also having a struggle with this pride coming up, whew, and thinking of yourself more highly than you ought. So, you know. Yeah, I think dad's looking at it more from the more of the persecution side of it, which we would all agree, I think, that being called names on the Internet is not,

that's not bothering me. I don't care. I mean, I don't feel persecuted by that. But some people, that's their greatest, fear, Dad, is that there's going to be some viral wave against them on social media. So, you know, again, Jason is right. I think it's the culture we live in that dictate so much of this stuff. And for young people, I mean, look, Dad, they're killing themselves.

I know it. Children and teenagers are killing themselves because of how they're viewed on social media. Our own nephew. Our own nephew. Yeah, well, that was funny. College educated. I mean, hanged himself. a jail sale.

Fentanyl. Fentanyl was behind the whole thing. So it even got into our family structure. By the way, let's take a break. By the way, Dad, last year, you know what I mean? He died from drugs and mostly fentanyl. 100,000. A hundred thousand.

We're just like our cousin. So that's another scourge of the evil one. Yep. Well, let's talk about this verse 13, Judge Fahle, where it says. Yeah, I wanted to pick up some of those we missed. He talks about the heart, which we'll get into in chapter six a lot because he brings it up. But then he says this statement, which is a curious statement, about 13 of chapter 5. If we're out of our mind, it is for the sake of God.

If we're in our right mind, it is for you. Now, I've always used this as the Uncle Cy verse. I mean, in my speeches, I'll say Sy's favorite verse. I'll read this. but I wanted to get y'all's take before I give you mind on it. What do you think? Well, I think it goes back to how he started this at 12 when he says, you know, we're not trying to commend ourselves to you again.

He says this a lot because it's like, hey, we're not trying to sound braggadocious, but, and then he goes into, you know, what he's going to tell him. He said, I want you to take pride in us rather, you know, so that you can answer those who take pride in what is, rather what is seen instead of what's in the heart. So the idea is he's wanting them to follow his example. But then he says if we're out of our mind, it is for the sake of God. So in other words, if somebody thinks we're crazy or thinks we're just too gung-ho is what I think it means.

Yeah, we'll do anything for the Almighty. But if you're in our right mind, it is for you. In other words, but ultimately we always care about what happens to you. That's kind of the way I've always taken it is like, don't view us as crazy people. We're just totally committed to the cause and to the ministry, and you can always count on us for that. Because what he was going through, Al, we go through the same thing to a certain extent, but they had it rougher than we do. So we shouldn't think that, you know, well, in this modern age, we can't go out and point people to Jesus. We just said, it may seem crazy to you, but we're convinced he's the way out of here.

We're convinced of it. So we tell people, since we know what it is to fear of the Lord, the opening line is we try to persuade men. So it's just a niche. And we've heard people say it before it. You know, they're gung-ho. Those people are holy rollers. Oh, yeah. You know, people always have these little cutting ways of viewing people that are like totally in on Christianity and being vocal about it.

it. So I think it's that sort of vein is what I've always thought that he meant by it, just in the context of where we are. Well, I think there's a story in Acts 26 I want to read you. And I think this affected him to some degree, having moments like this. And I think it provides some insight here. So he's speaking in verse 22 of Acts 26. He said, I have had God's help to this very day. and so I stand here and testify to small and great a light. I am saying nothing beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen, that Christ would suffer and as the first to rise from the dead would proclaim light to his own people and to the Gentiles.

And I don't think that's any different than what we say on a daily basis. That is correct. God is helping us. we're persuading people we're not going and saying anything beyond what the prophet said and what the disciples and the apostles said that jesus is the son of god he died and he was raised from the dead well at this point festus interrupted paul's defense and watch what he says you're out of your mind yeah well i mean he really didn't say anything that found to me. He shouted, and he shouted, you're out of your mind, which is funny when I brought up the side thing. Sy says that phrase a lot. Like when we're just talking, have you ever noticed that? He's like, you're out of your mind. And I'm just like, you're saying I'm out of

my mind. But anyway, he shouted, your great learning is driving you insane. So we're, knew he was smart. Well, right. He was like, you think you're so smart. And they figured out these prophecies and the prophets. But you're saying that there was a guy who was the son of God who died and he came back from the dead. He's like, you're learning. It's driven you insane.

So Paul said, I'm not insane. Most excellent festus. What I'm saying is true and reasonable. The king is for me. with these things and I can speak freely to him. I am convinced that none of this has escaped his notice because it was not done in a corner. So, I mean, he wasn't like he was trying not to burn the bridge or anything. Somebody's calling you crazy. He was responding to persecution in a loving way. Well, then Agrippa said to Paul, do you think that in such a short time

you can persuade me to be a Christian. That's what led me here is because the part that says in verse 11, since we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. And then he's like, if I'm out of my mind, if you think I'm out of my mind, it is for the sake of God. I mean, it's just,

I think there were people at the church there that thought this belief in Jesus, and all that goes, along with it. Worship, and in their cases, they had these special gifts. So what has changed from then to now, you say, this was probably written, what you say, first and second Corinthians, when was that written now? Late 50s, AD 50s, 7 or so we're in the 50s. The people that the Apostle Paul is addressing, including their leadership, people like Festus, when you say, So what happened to them?

It collapsed, Jay's. Their whole setup, Festus II. It all went down. And literally right now, if you went over there, where this was being said in 50. Now, in 2022, you look back at you said, what happened to Corinth? What happened to the Roman Empire? It's a pile of rubble out. All right.

It's all a pal of rubble. You say these words have way more meaning when you say, by the way, Paul is trying to persuade men. And we're, 2,000 years later, we're trying to persuade men because we know what it is, the fear of the Lord. You say, but what happened to empires who don't take us up on this deal? They don't investigate it so that they can have faith in Jesus. If they say, get the Bible, they're nuts. They're redneck, you know, yeah, yeah. All that talk, you know, we need to get them out of here.

I think it's the same. It's the same thing. They say, do you- Let's take a break. Do you think you are going to try to persuade us in this short time just by some simple story about this man here, 2000? I mean, it's the same kind of demeaning logic. But I was to finish the thought. But think about, Jay's, think about the brilliance of Paul in that the only reason that he,

had an audience with King Agrippa, with Festus, with the Roman leadership in this moment, is because he took a beaten that he didn't, he took a lot of beatings, but he took one that was illegal. He got, as a Roman citizen, they beat him and that was against the rules. So he had an opportunity at a right as a Roman citizen to take it all the way to the top. And so imagine all this stuff that happened to Paul, but he decided to do that, to take it all the way, And why did he do that? I believe it was just so he'd have an opportunity to share Jesus with everybody he went up the chain with, including Festus and Augustus and everything.

And he caught a glimpse of when Brian Kilmead, I was being interviewed by one of his things there, and he said, let me play a word game with you. What's the first thing that comes to your mind when I say Joe Biden? I said, hell on earth. That was a couple of years ago. I said, hell on earth. And he's just looking at me, and I was looking at him. And that ended the interview.

But that's my final words of that. Well, now he can check it and see. How's it going up in these American politics and our culture? Are you saying you gave him a little prophecy there, Dad? A little prophesied going on? I just gave him a little word, Dad. Well, what does this mean to you? And he said, Joe Biden, what do you think?

It might be a little bit of an embellishment, but I mean, I don't know. Well, I hadn't been a hair. I look at our political structure now. I'm not sure what hell actually is. How many did you say died from overdose with drugs? 100,000 last year alone. Yeah, and they wonder why I say, you know, it can be hell on earth. But I'm saying, Phil, you also say that, I mean, you're not going to fix the problems politically.

That's why I said, you got to, it goes back to that home and what's going there. and I think it is a spiritual problem. I mean, I just think when you're looking, when you're trying to go to the system to fix the problems, it's just, I don't care who's president. It ain't going to work, you know? It's like somebody said, you can't legislate love. I mean, if they would have an amendment or Congress would pass one to say,

look, we got two laws on the docket today. We're going to say that everyone needs to love God with all the heart, soul, minds, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. Now, now we're getting somewhere. Let's legislate that. But as a common rule, they don't do it. And so, because you can't control how people are getting along from a government status.

You can't control that. I mean, I'm driving down the road, somebody pulls out in front of me. I ain't worried about who the president is. I'm like, this joker is an idiot. Well, what am I going to do about it? So in that moment is what I'm saying. And then it goes back to how you were taught, the training that happened in your house. So I'm, I mean, you're right because, I mean, look, I disagree with almost every principle and law that's happened.

But I still don't think it can correct. You know what my answer would have been if he had said, what comes to your mind when I say these two words? He said Joe Biden, and I gave him an answer. If he had said Jesus Christ, I would have been thankful. Would you have said peace on earth? Peace on earth. Love for your neighbor. Yeah.

And I'd have said love for your neighbor. That's what I was trying to get him to see. Well, I'm saying I don't necessarily disagree with it. But I'm disagreeing with the answer to me is got to come. I mean, we've been given the name he gave. We've been given the Ministry of Reconciliation. What I get more upset about is that a lot of these theologians and scholars, I don't know what you think about this, Al, that they just, they believe this was only for Paul. But I get the impression from reading this when he says, so from now on, we regard no one from a worldly point of view.

We're the ambassadors. That's what I'm saying. No doubt. That was Paul. And that's why people just sit on the sidelines and watch. They appoint ambassadors to do this and they have the other. We've been appointed as ambassadors for God. There is a difference, Sal, a monumental difference.

You know what I'm saying? He is committed to us the message of reconciliation. I take that to mean everybody, the whole body. Sure. And we manifest that in different ways. Sure. Different talents, gifts, whatever you say. But we're all united pointing me.

people to the head of our church, the head of the temple, the cornerstone, which is Jesus, which people will think is absolutely crazy. The leadership back then, what did he do when it came to politics? He just shared Jesus. The gospel is still here. Jesus is still here. The message is still being generated from fellows like us. We just followed the Jesus. We try to tell people that and you say what happens to nations who reject Jesus they collapse there is no more Roman Empire that's when this was written so we're looking at what happened to these cities which looking at it Galatia and Ephesians and it had it had an effect it was it come across there was hell on earth it's a pile of rubble jays yeah roman empire's gone

so let's let's take our last break but jay think about it, why would Paul have said on numerous occasions, including his Corinthian letters, follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ, if it wouldn't apply to this idea about ministry of reconciliation? Well, I don't know. I was just upset when I read a lot of these commentaries that seemed to distance the normal believer, I don't know what you want to call him, rank and file, from something specially commissioned to Paul as though in his team, I guess Priscilla and Ocwillah. maybe, but I don't know.

I was shocked when I read this. My answer to that was, of course, he is talking about himself and their leadership there, but everything crawls. I mean, he's starting in verse 16, from now on re-regard no one from a worldly point of view. I mean, Paul was talking about himself, but wouldn't that translate to how we view people? The believers, the rank and file shouldn't have view people from a worldly point of view. We once regarded Christ that way. we do so no longer.

That would be everybody. I mean, you should never, you know, you have to view them as Lord. So I don't, you know, I don't know. I've seen the same thing before. I just don't understand why you would think that. In other words, what's the application? Yeah, it's the model of a lot of American churches. I mean, this is not preached about.

Look, that's why, I mean, I was like, we were going to move on. I was like, let's not move on. Let's spend another podcast. because I believe if everybody realized that God is using us, this is why we're here. We're his ambassadors, despite our sins. I mean, we're humble because, I mean, that's why he went so in detail. He knows what we are.

It's plain. It's plain to him and everybody else. We're a bunch of ragged sinners. Yep. And God is still using us. And then he has this charge about persuading men, being Christ ambassadors, then he gets personal, being reconciled to God. And then he's like, you're God's fellow workers in Chapter 6.

And we've been given the ministry of reconciliation that God was reconciled in the world to himself and Christ and the best news out of the whole little dissertation, not counting men's sins against them. He's committed to us the message of reconciliation, which is the death of Jesus, his burial, resurrection. Yeah, the message is not our message. If you ever want a clear statement on that, and we've been given this message of reconciliation. That is correct. Well, where do you factor in that? You don't? I mean, Jesus on a cross and his resurrection is what reconciled the world to himself. A guy walked up yesterday while the church was meeting, and he walked up to me, and he had a pen and a paper, and he said, I saw you

down there at the book signing thing at books a million he said he said well what what did those errors mean that's why i like the arrows it's a good conversation he said what does those arrows mean and i said well the first one is coming out of heaven when god became flesh the second one is a cross that jesus died on to remove the sins of the world three days later there's a tomb there they buried him and he was writing it down and he was making he was jotting it down and he was jotting it down and I said there's an error coming out of that tomb for good reason. That's the resurrection of the dead. It's the only way out.

The only way I found, unless you can come up or something. He said, I sure can't. So he said, what's that final error? I said, the return, that's all we're waiting on. We're up to that point, waiting on the return, that error coming down out of heaven. He jotted all that down. He said, man, I'm glad I came here today. Walked out the door.

I mean, this was at the end of the church was meeting. He just came to see what are these arrows about. Well, I told you, I think I told you when we moved down here, we bought a house. We had to extend the driveway a little bit. And so had that fresh concrete in here. One of our sisters was staying in her house that week. And she sent me a text. She said, do you want me to draw those symbols in this fresh concrete?

I said, absolutely. That's a great idea. So she did. At the end of my driveway. way or those symbols. Well, now they're in concrete. So they're there. And so I've had at least three of my neighbors as they were walking their dogs or whatever. I'd be outside and they say, hey, one guy said, what are your hieroglyphics there? What does this mean? I said, well, I'm Richard, I'm so glad you asked. And so, you know, I was able to share with them. And we just had some new

ones move in this weekend. I looked at, they were over there looking at it. I thought, well, there's a conversation I'm fixing to have, you know, at some point this week. But that's, That's living unashamed, the idea that I want everybody to be reconciled to God. And we don't know whether they are or aren't, just like the guy that told you, Dad. Man, he's just glad he heard it. Yep. Well, what's not even talked about here is this is providing unity. Nowhere in this paragraph is he singling out the differences we have when it comes to male, female, or race or how many

sins you committed or where you're from or he's already covered that that's what i'm saying we're all unified with this mission and we're all christ ambassadors that's why which it burns up the world because they want to stop every five minutes and figure out how we're different and he and less than five minutes did what the world cannot seem to do is find a place to be unified in something this Good. Yep. And so whether you're a male or a female or wherever you're from, you're considered an ambassador of Christ and God is making his appeal through you all across the world on a daily basis, minute to minute. This is what happened. And it's in a real simple message. That's why I read that in Acts 26. I mean, you wouldn't think the last person he would be trying to share with is somebody

in political power. But he's like, no, that's what we do. You just, wherever this goes, they're like, okay, what were you doing? He's out there sharing Jesus and we're going to put you in jail for that. He's like, okay. So then he goes to jail and he's like, well, what are you doing now? I'm sharing Jesus with the people that I'm in jail with. Well, well, we're going to take you before the judge then.

What are you going to do that? Well, I'm going to share Jesus with the guy who's making the judgment on this. now. Well, that's just how it, it makes perfect sense when you read this section. You're, you are Christ ambassador, as though he was making his appeal through you in whatever circumstance you get into. That's why the next chapter. And he didn't say, I'm doing this because you said, well, if you're doing this,

aren't you afraid that God has deserted you? He's got you in prison. He said, no, it's just an opportunity. Not a bummer. Oh, Phil. This is really it because you just think about how in our world, how many people are bitter about what happened 100 years ago or 50 years ago or five minutes ago or holding the grudge.

He's fixed to spend the next chapter going through every possible, terrible thing that you can think of that could happen to you on the earth. And he blames God for none of them. It's every one of them is an opportunity. Well, what are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about? Well, he's just going to keep doing the same thing over.

And it all comes from the gospel itself. You think about it. You're talking about social injustice? Jesus didn't do one thing wrong and they killed him on a cross, not just killed him, but in like an embarrassingly brutal, yeah, brutal suffering way. And so what's he doing about? it. What are you going to do about it? Oh, he came back from the dead. That trumps every response to any kind of injustice that could happen. Because not only did he come back from the dead, he wasn't

throwing fireballs at the people who did it. Or I'm going to burn this whole bunch for that. Oh, he wasn't doing that. He said here, I did this so that now I can give you a way to bring people together back to God. I just think about how beautiful that is. It's a beautiful thing. and look at it. So it's not, okay, our bad things are going to happen to you in Christ? Maybe every day. Yep. Seems like it was to Paul.

That's exactly right. That's what we'll explore on the next podcast. We've got our overtime segment coming up. A couple of more things I wanted to flesh out. Plus, Jason, I found a new product name that you're going to love in the story yesterday. So I'll let you know what that is in our overtime segment. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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