Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 463 | Jase Cringes at the Sound You NEVER Want to Hear & Phil Exposes the Issue with Space Travel

Episode Date: April 18, 2022

Jase warns people not to wait until they hit absolute rock-bottom before turning to Jesus in prayer about their sin problem and points out how prayer is more of a conversation with God than a ritual. Phil discusses the great imaginations of mankind and the desire to venture into space and beyond. Al explains that God can give you more than you can even imagine for yourself, and Jase shares the number-one sound you don't want to hear if you have a beard. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So one of the things that I was thinking about just recently is that, you know, how many people down here in Alabama, because I'm still at the lair, you know, one of my greatest opportunities to have spiritual discussions is, you know, they know that I preach and, you know, they know our family, most of them. So they asked me all the time about praying for them, which is really great because it just kind of opens that door, you know, then to not only talk about something's going on, maybe it's a family member, maybe somebody sick, you know, it makes a job opportunity. But then it just opens that door to talk about Jesus or, you know, what's going on, you know, tell me about this person. And it just, it's just ministry and, you know, grace season with salt opportunities to talk people. And it's always struck me that prayer is, is something that's simple. And yet it's profound at the same time because it's like this conversation.

And when I think about the show, so many people tell me, they're like, you know, tell me why they love the show. I love Uncle's. I love your dad. I respect your dad. But then they always mention the prayer at the end. And so I love telling the story about how it came to be. because I remember, Lisa and I were participating in the pilot,

but we wound up not coming on the show until later because it was so encompassing. I didn't realize it was going to take, pretty much be a full-time job. But I remember being there for that first family dinner scene, and you remember the very first guy that directed the first, what wound up being the first two episodes, he was only there for that,

and we never saw him again. But he loved the Dukes of Hazard. And so I think it's one that kind of in his mind, And he thought, this is kind of going to be like that. And then I'd forgotten at the end of every episode of the Duke's Hazard, Waylon Jennings did a little voiceover, you know, kind of, old Bo did this and old Luke did that at the end. And so that's kind of what he had in mind for how a show was going to end around the dinner table.

But it was dad who said, hey, Mr. Director, we usually pray when we eat. And I'll never forget the guy was, he kind of looked, his eyes got kind of big. And he was like, okay, let's do that. And so it was just, Dad, if you hadn't inserted that, it probably never would have happened. It had just been something different. But because you did, it became sort of the signature of why people immediately noticed it was different than a lot of other stuff on television. So as it turned out, and we found that when he's talked about don't be yoked together with unbelievers, You could start with, we pray for our food, we're thankful for it.

We pray to the God of heaven because I wanted them to know, you came down here to film a family structure. Well, this is the family structure and the way it works. We got such a tiny bit of godliness other than what we do every day and all these things they came up with, this episode, that episode, but you're towing through the tulips pretty good when you're being filmed in America.

And you shouldn't be yoke with unbelievers. You see what I'm saying? If they'd all been God-fearing people, they would have known we'd be thanking God for our food. But when they said that, it did reach a lot of homes when people said, huh? To them, that was weird. But you would think, ever since the country was

founded and the people went west and they would wagon trains and whatever and fought wild beasts and what all goes with conquering how the west was won as they say on some of these shows but uh you would have think they would they wouldn't have forgotten so so quickly that some people live by faith in god almighty well right i think the authenticity is what made i mean because look there's lots of shows that they now know say prayers uh there was some comedy i don't popped in my head uh where they were praying the baby jesus and all and it was like because they're making fun of what oh that was uh that was the will uh will feral movie yeah what i was it taladaiga nights yeah i didn't i just i couldn't even watch i mean i'm like even though it was an attempt to be here

humorous or people on TV they'll show the driest prayers known to man which makes you think of that when Jesus said when you pray you know the sermon in the mountain

he said don't be like the hypocrites for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men I tell you the truth they ever see their award in full but when you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your father who is unseen, then your

father who sees what is done in secret. Which really the only thing that makes you a hypocrite in prayer is if you're not praying to a God that you believe is real. Yeah. If you're just praying, I mean, because a lot of people say, when they say, I'll pray for you, unfortunately, that means I have nothing else to say in this moment. And so that's, always good and doesn't mean they're actually going to pray or if they pray if they believe that God is actually listening. Yeah. So.

But every time, every time somebody asks me, you know what I do? I say, can I do that right now? Yeah, that's good. They'll come up and they say, I want, please add my brother to your prayer list. I said, okay, I will. Can I pray for him right now? What's his name? Because I figure if you're asking, let's just do it.

I mean, let's, because my open, my line. to the creator is open. It's always on open, you know, there's a conversation. I think if you just, if you, for all the people listening out there, and they say when we get to 2 Corinthians chapter 5, 6, and 7 until the end of it, what's the overall thrust beginning in 1st Corinthians? And he ends up with the resurrection of the body, you know,

and 1 Corinthians 15 remind you of the gospel and all that. I think that if you just said, well, where would I go to verify and to understand a little more fully, 2 Corinthians 5, 6 to the end of it, 7.8, you get to the end of it. If you just kind of thought back to Romans chapter 12, a words, Paul told the Corinthians since then, let's see right here, since then, we know what it is to fear the Lord. We try to persuade men. That's second Corinthians to the Corinthians, to the Romans. He said, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual worship. At Corinth, they were having a little, uh, quashirendt. They were having a little

quite a bit of trouble with how you worship God as the sons and daughters of God without being misled, cut off, or tangled up and all the worldly things that's there. He did the same thing to the Romans in Romans

chapter 12. Don't conform any long to the pattern of the world. That's Romans. Well, on the Corinthians, don't be yoked together with unbelievers. You see my point, Al? It's just a replay. but be transformed.

Don't be like the world. By the renewing of your mind and the Jason's point, it all comes down to the heart, to what kind of heart you have. Then you'll be able to test and approve what God's will is, his good, pleasing, and perfect will. And it's the same thing in Romans 12, by the grace, starts with grace,

the same thing the Apostle Paul said to the Corinthians. It's just sort of Romans 12, needs to be read right after you go through 1st and 2nd Corinthians to show you it's just a pattern the gifts that that was a big problem at Corinth. In other words, in Roman, just as each of us has one body members and these members do not all have the same function. In Christ, we are many, form one body.

And then he goes into these gifts, prophesying, mean proclaiming the word, let him use it in proportion to his faith. If it's serving, you wouldn't think serving would be a gift, but the Corinthians were struggling with these things. Let him serve. If it's teaching, let him teach. If it's encouraging, let him encourage. A lot of these things, you say,

encouraging others is a gift, you say, don't get tangled up with the unbelievers and forget that just encouraging people is a good thing to do. And some people are very gifted at it. If it's contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously. That's mentioned throughout the Corinthian letter,

generosity, give God what's God. Caesar what's Caesar. If it's leadership, let them govern diligently. It's showing mercy. Some of these things you wouldn't think they were worthy of gifts. But as you go down, love must be sincere. Well, that's 1st Corinthians 13.

Love isn't patient. It's kind. So basically, if you're looking for to get into some scriptures where you have a lot of y, yeah, yeah, yeah, just put the Corinthian letters, two of them, together with Romans chapter 12, what Paul said to the Romans. My point is, the message is still the same. Jesus is a centerpiece. You're saved by grace through faith. so let your light shine before me and go into the all of that love must say love hate what is evil cling to what's good you're like hmm that that covers uh don't be yoke with unbelievers i mean well i think one of the most underrated

things though so you won't understand the corinthine letter enough until you read romans 12 and read the what paul told the romans too same same thing he told both of them yeah i I agree. Well, I think the most underrated weapon we have, you know, talking about prayer. Because when he said in chapter six, when he said we have the power of God in truthful speech with weapons of righteousness in the right hand and in the left. Well, when we talked about that Ephesion 6 about our struggles not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers of powers. of the dark world against the spiritual forces of evil. When he went through this whole armor, and granted, we all have special gifts and different things,

but we have all these things in common. You have God's righteousness, you have God's truth, you have feet with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace, and we have the shield of faith, and then we have the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit. Where it's play the righteousness. Yeah. He's explaining how all this comes together, all these gifts in the church.

But then he gets to 18. Look, he spent the most time actually talking about prayer. Yep. Because he says, and pray in the spirit on all occasions. So that's why it wasn't a shock when we were doing the show. And they said, you said, well, we pray before our meal. But we also pray, like Al said, immediately. I mean, I have an ironic story on this show that I'm currently doing now.

One of the higher-ups in the production realm had a tragic thing happened in her family's life. And she called me and she was like, I'm not going to be able to be on the show, I mean, or film with you all this week or maybe two or maybe three. And so I did what you did, Al. I just said, and I mean, I wasn't. This is somebody I'm working with in a, I guess, worldly venture. I mean, TV show would be considered a worldly venture, even though.

Professional capacity. Even though we have a, we try to have a spiritual angle on it. We'll see whether that makes the cut or not. But I'm pretty confident it will. But I just, I just said, well, let me pray for this situation. Of course, I immediately said, well, I'm not worried about it. You take care of your family is way more important of what we're doing. So I said a prayer.

And, of course, it was just, it became emotional. I was getting emotional. And we, we, we, just like, the show became irrelevant in this moment. This human being, bad things happened. It was just an accident, you know, and fortunately everything worked out great. But it's just, that's what we do. It's an underappreciated thing. thing, not only does God

work, and we've been given access, but it also does something for us in that it allows us to be transparent and vulnerable to God and realize that we rely on his ultimate power. But just to finish reading this in Ephesians, well, go ahead.

Hang on, let's take a break. To finish reading this in Ephesians, he says, with this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints. Pray also for me that whenever I open my mouth, and I think this relates to 2nd Corinthians 5, because he just said we try to persuade men, we're ambassadors.

Whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel for which I am an ambassador in chains. Yep. So he made that same reference in 2nd Corinthians 5, and then he said, pray that I may declare it fearlessly as I should. Well, he says that twice, because it's one thing to come across as, oh, well, here's the details of what God did. And it's one thing to have a Bible study or draw the line in the sand. But I'm going to tell you, it's another thing.

When you believe God is real and you stand up in front of people and you say, I believe Jesus is Lord. And he's the son of God. He came here down to earth. and he died from my sins and he was resurrected and he wants to walk among us and live eternally with us. There's something about sharing that fearlessly, no matter what the consequences. I mean, I think that was Paul's heart in that letter in chapter six, because, I mean, he was getting beaten to a pulp for doing that.

But that's why he was so positive about it. And he was using one of the greatest weapons there is in that he was communicating with the father as his ambassador on earth despite his past and his current troubles. Well, think about that, Jay's, think about that phrase that you just read in Epheson 618, pray in the spirit. And then think about that with what Paul told the Romans, to Dad's point, in Romans 8, 26. He said, in the same way, the spirit helps us in our weakness. we do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans

that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will. You know, a lot of people have made a lot about that, probably more than Paul meant to say, about that passage. But if you think about it, the Holy Spirit lives in you, and he is the mind of Christ. He is a part of God. So he's there.

And a lot of times, you know, when you are struggling because your situation, you're like, I'm not sure what to pray for. Maybe a end of life thing. It may be something else. And you're relying on the spirit to then help you get that information out of your heart and to the Almighty. And so it is a very intimate. That's why prayer is so powerful.

You mentioned about the emotions of that. It's a powerful thing. thing for people, especially if they're not, if they don't do it very often or maybe they don't have the spirit of God yet, then it's, it's, you know, it's something. It's your community, you're bringing them into your communion of conversation with the Almighty God. Exactly. And I think that's why it's so powerful when husbands and wives pray together. I mean, I love to hear Lisa pray because it's an expression of her spiritual walk that, you know, then I get, I get in on that. I get to, to experience that with her. So there's the supernatural is happening with prayer. So I think that's

why it's so powerful. Well, not only are you peeling the God and prayer works, no doubt about that. I mean, he said you don't have because you don't ask. But even when this idea of the show came up, we had a couple that, who are their leaders in the church, married couple. And they just heard that we were doing that and showed up at our house. I was like, hey, I ain't seen you a while. And he's like, we came by to pray for y'all. When you're, you're, adventure. It was a little awkward. I was thinking, okay.

But when they started praying, because I could tell people who do that on purpose, they're real good at praying because they do it all the time. Well, I became emotional just listening to them pray, but I thought, there's a couple that I haven't seen in a while heard about this, looked at each other and said, you know, we need to go pray for them. We don't need to send them a text, which would have worked, said we're praying for you. I mean, they got in their vehicle unannounced, drove to my house, asked if they could pray for us, you know, put their hands on us and didn't want anything else. They just pray for it.

I mean, it was really amazing and awesome. But it also made me have the right kind of attitude going into this venture. when somebody does that for you, it's just life altering. It changes your perspective on it. So it's real humbly. But I took away from it. I need to do that. What they did, I need to have those ideas more in my own life.

Well, and one of the reasons a couple would do that is to Dad's earlier description, they have a gift of encouragement because they encourage you by that. So that was a gift to this. There's a couple at the church. Jay says, you know, it was amazing. You stay at a place a long time. You're in people's lives. You live life with them. A dear sister who was in an abusive marriage when we were all young. And we just, you know, walked through it with her. She's an African-American sister. And just we're there. We loved on her. You know, she's close to our family. When she winds up and the guy finally left her.

And she winds up marrying one of the most encouraging people I've ever known. And they're older now, you know, but they started a ministry. They call it the Barnabas ministry because, you know, Barnabas's name meant son of encouragement. And they call it the Barnabas ministry. And all they do is call people. They send cards to everybody on their birthday in the church or little notes reminders and stuff.

They just, you know, they said, you know, we love doing that. That's, we feel like that's something we can do. And so they do that together. But I think about it from a woman who had such a bad experience with an abusive, you know, husband. and just such a hard time living life who becomes now one of our church's greatest encouragers. I mean, you see stuff like that and it's just like, I mean, it's inspiring. So I may can get up and preach or something, you know, we may be able to do something else,

but I can guarantee you that's just as impactful into someone's life to have someone that has that gift and then uses it. Yeah. Well, look, one of my weaknesses is sometimes I'm surprised when God answers prayer, which is embarrassing. But in my wife, she's confident. I mean, Missy, a lot of times something will happen. I'm like, I cannot believe that. She's like, well, I pray for that.

I was like, oh, well, it didn't mean it was going to happen. She's like, oh, I. So I'm just being transparent here. But I thought about that first Thessalonians five, four, because I use this in my speeches about, you know, there's two kinds of people in the world, those who are going to be surprised when Jesus comes back and those who are ready. I think it's a good gauge of where you're at in your faith.

He says in First Thessalon, this is right after First Thessalon, is 413 through 18, which describes Jesus coming and us meeting him in the air. And so we'll be with the Lord forever. And then he's like, but this day shouldn't surprise you like a thief. So I'm like in one vein, I'm like, when Jesus, just comes back, I am not going to be surprised because I think about this also. But in that same vein, if I'm going to believe that, why would I be surprised if I pray? Because there's more about prayer, I think, than any other subject in the Bible. I don't know how many times

it's mentioned, but it's a lot. Yeah. It's a powerful weapon. Because he goes into this same idea about the spiritual war in verse 8 right after that in 1st solonin's 5.4 in verse 8 he says since we belong to the day let us be self-control putting on faith which is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see which prayer would qualify putting on faith and love as a breastplate and the hope of salvation I mean here we all again for God did not appoint us to suffer wrath, but to receive salvation through Jesus. Well, you skip down, you know, go to verse 11 to your point, Phil, therefore encourage one another and build each other up.

And then he goes to 16. He says, be joyful always, which is goes to Paul's point, despite everything that's going bad, he's still finding joy despite sorrow. And then it says, pray continually. give thanks in all circumstances. And just listen to this next statement. For this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. I mean, that's a pretty profound statement.

And to tie it in with your Romans 12 when it says you'll know, offer yourselves as living sacrifices, then you will know and approve what God's will is for you. Yep. It says that. So a lot of people are out there searching for God's will. And a lot of times while you're running around searching, you read something like this and you're like, being on your knees is fulfilling God's will for you in Christ Jesus. Yep.

Well, you know, let's take another break. You know, Jay's, people pray for God's will to be revealed, but they only want it to be good stuff. Well, from a worldly perspective, good. Exactly. Keep me from harm. Keep me from. Yeah. I mean, it's a tough prayer sometimes to say.

But God's will plays itself out, however it plays itself out. That's why he said in all circumstances. In other words, the time I have to rely on him and the time my prayer life, trust me, is the most active, is when I'm going through something difficult. Yeah. Well, exactly. Things are going well. I tend to not be as, I mean, I'll be grateful, but I tend to not be as desperate in that prayer. Well, that's why, when I first became a Christian, I used to be stumped when people said,

well, how come bad things happen to good people? I was like, oh, I don't know. That's such a good question. Well, now I'm like, so we'll rely on God. Yeah. I mean, that's just part of it. I mean, all I had to do was read my Bible to figure that out because it's over and over. St. Corinthians 1.

You just described it. Yeah, St. Corinthians 6. I mean, you cannot have any more trouble. than what Paul, I mean, it's going to get worse when we get further along. Where's that in chapter 11 when he's like, I was beaten five times with rods and seven times I was this. And I got the 40 lashes minus one. Yeah, I've been shipwrecked a few times. I mean, it's just a, it's a Tommy Topper of everything that could go wrong has all in the name of Jesus.

You're like, well, I mean, so then when he gets to 12, he's like, yeah, but God does some of his best work. when I'm weak. And he's like, not only that, I've got a thorn in my flesh. I've asked the Lord three times to take it away. He was using the prayer. He ended it up with his head leaned against a post. Detached from his body. Detached from his body.

Yeah. So then you said, well, how come he just didn't pray? God didn't answer his prayer. God, I think it's where, are you praying with what's best for you? are you praying what's best for God's perspective? Because we're going to win with his perspective, no matter what. You were going to live forever. We cannot be killed. He was absolutely convinced of it. Exactly. It was the statement, remember the statement that Paul said in Romans 4 about Abraham? He believed in his unbelief. I mean, to me, that's like, that really shows you what we're,

in other words, yeah, we're going to doubt and all that, but the ultimate, at the end of the day, in and I think that's what prayer does I wanted to and you guys may have another one but I wanted to us to talk about one of my favorite prayers in the in the Bible and of course it was Paul who prayed it but you don't think about this passage being a prayer because you hear it quoted all the time but it is it's in Ephesians 3 and and he said for in verse 14 for this reason I kneel before the father so he's he's talking about talking about prayer from whom his whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name i pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you talking about the ephesian church with power through his spirit

in your inner being so that christ may dwell in your hearts through faith and i pray that you being rooted and established in love may have power together with all the saints to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ. And to know this love that surpasses knowledge that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. And here's one you hear quoted all the time. This is the prayer. Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to

his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus, throughout all generations forever and ever. Amen. Now, that is a prayer. That's a prayer. Because it says the irony of some of this, which I think the reason that those words just pass over ahead a lot of times, because he's making these same statements that are hard to grasp, which is his point. He's praying that you can grasp it somehow because he's like, you can't even measure. You can't measure it.

it's knowledge I mean it's where did he say he said I want you to know this love that surpasses knowledge do what yeah it's so beyond

what's on this planet in the way we function that's why it's hard to imagine it it's hard to grasp it it's hard to believe it it's just it's just so amazing

and it's so unseen that it's just hard to wrap your head around. And you sympathize with it as you read it. Wouldn't it be safe to say, Jace, that humanity, since the beginning of humanity, the first people that were ever on the planet, right up to today, their greatest desire is for knowledge. I mean, more knowledge. We've got to know more. We've got to go out in space.

We've got to go, we've got to start breaking everything down where we can. see it under a microscope. Everything is about knowing more. I'd say it's humanity's greatest quest is knowledge. And you're right. He says love is beyond that. I mean, it's surpassed.

And he said that, yeah, and he said the love of Christ, because it was more, I think, here saying you know him, because he knows you. It's not about how much you know.

It surpasses that. It's that you know the love of Christ. You know him. because he knew you first on a cross. I mean, it's kind of a brain. Think about it. It was 19, I think, 08, 1908, which is just over 100 years ago. 100 years, short period of time in all of human history.

We were able to lift off the ground like a bird and fly about 100 yards. they had this contraption it was huge the Wright brothers just a hundred little over 100 years ago look at the progression of events

from 115 years ago to the Wright brothers saying whoopee we we fly like a bird and just look at what's happened since then as far as the quest for knowledge goes

now you You can take free rides to the space station. If you got enough money, pay them. I've been saying they're free. They'll load you up, and they will leave the boundaries of gravity and put you into outer space for a few days for a vacation. Then you job back on the thing and come on back in. I mean, you just think in the quest for knowledge

on what the human race has accomplished. And I can see why, if that's where all of your marbles are, if that's all you can see, I can see why the Apostle Paul would be saying, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than that. Right. You know, you still have death that could come at any moment. And there's a way out of here alive. keep the faith, get out alive,

no matter how much knowledge you gain, keep the faith, you get out alive. And they're like, you're talking to me? You don't realize how smart I am. I said, smartness is not going to stop physical death that's coming your way, my man. That's why he said if I have the gift of all prophecy, can fathom all mystery and all knowledge.

Yeah. We got a mighty throng of them that that's what they're claiming. Heyman. Let's take a break. Well, you just think if you walked up and said, I know everything, you just think if you made that point, I was going to say it was ironic that, Dad, that what you described and going into outer space is that they sent up Captain Kirk, and he's about 90 now. Yeah. And he played like he was in outer space.

So they said, we're going to really send you up there to float around for a few minutes. So he's up there banging us out. I thought from a human perspective, that's like, all right, we got it all right. You know, we had Captain Kirk out running around now. We actually got him in space. We can go to the moon, therefore we're going to live forever. I said, no, you're going to go to the moon, and you might die there. You might die when you get back or on the trip up or back.

But give yourself another 35, 40 years. You're done. You're dead. So there's no hope with all the knowledge outside this book in front of me. I've never read anything about it that gave me hope except this. That's why I say Jesus number one, keep the faith, get out alive. I mean, it might have inspired me more if he would have had a phaser out and a communicator, and there was an actual cling on that row by.

But compared to the show, because they were thinking, oh, this is going to provide inspiration to go to outer space. And I'm like, yeah, well, what I'm in on is that going to outer space is actually way down the list of things that I'm going to get to do. That's right. That's just complete. That's just my flight to get wherever I'm going. Yeah, this is the- But I'll be flying myself. Right.

That would be the hitchhiking version of going to a dream destination on the planet. I mean, you know what I mean? I mean, I know a lot's happening. in the last hundred years, but the bottom line is all the people, except maybe a four or five, all the people who were full of knowledge or whatever, hey, Al, they're not here anymore. Yeah. They've all died. Yep.

From 1908 to now, yeah, we've come a long way. He said, did it help you with staying alive? They're like, no, it didn't affect that. You know, everybody died anyway. I'm like, so what's the deal? The smarter you are, you think we're going to be able to conquer death without Jesus Christ? Well, and that's been the theory behind that knowledge evolves. So you take a guy like Einstein and some of the brilliant people that did.

They came up with some things, some cool stuff that we still enjoy. But if it was just about this life, so that was seeing that ever-increasing knowledge, as being the ultimate, the evolution of the human mind. We're like, we know the one that made it all. Well, if he made all of us, though, theoretically, when you pray, you should already be thankful for the gifts he's given you because that's how we came up with these ideas anyway.

Charles Darwin said, I could be wrong, and I'm like, you are. You could be wrong. I'm still waiting on that shirt, Al. It's coming. It's all to show that this power. from God and not us, which is why when it comes to prayer, I mean, I thought about that verse of Revelation chapter 5 where he's showing this vision of heaven through apocalyptic writing

and right in the middle of it. You have the lamb in the center and you have the elders around and he gets to verse 8 and he says, when I had taken the censor, the creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the lamb, and each one had a heart. And they were holding golden bowls full of incense. And you're like, well, what is this? What does this mean? And it says, which are the prayers of the saints? I mean, it was that profound enough to be included in this vision of Jesus and

leadership around him in this picture, you know, victory. I mean, the prayers of the saints were made. mentioned as an important component to this scenario. I've always found that interesting. And then it says they sang a song, you know, of course we're focused on Jesus. He's made us to be a kingdom and priest to serve our God and they will reign on the earth. So that's why I think one of the people who believe this is futuristic, I think they're not looking at the power of prayer. I mean, what makes us members of the kingdom of heaven on earth right now is we have our access to God. We're ambassadors of Christ. We have the power that God provided to communicate with

the creator of the universe right now. And as John would say, the apostle who loved Jesus, Jesus loved Him, I write these things to you. Now, just think in lieu of all of our escapades with high technology in the last hundred years. I write these things to you, believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know, you may know, not hope, you may know, you have eternal life. To me, high tech begins to fade quickly on our accomplishments from being able to fly like a bird and go into the cosmos on a spacecraft. I'm like, it's all good. That's real good. But does it Does it make me know I have eternal life through all of that? You say, no, can't help you there.

Well, especially wouldn't if it crashed. Technological advances won't help you out at all. I'm like... I mean, they do crash and have crashed. That is correct. Then what? Where are you going in? That's my point.

Yeah, when you're shooting for the stars and you never get off the ground, that's a miss. That's all you got going. Let's take a break. Well, and what about that? He can, he can, he is able to give you more than not just what you ask or can even imagine. You know, human beings, we got pretty good imagination. And he's saying his power goes even beyond human imagination.

Because, Jason, we've made the point before that human imagination, so much of it is based in God and the Bible and stuff that's happened already. You know, people think it's just they come up with a clever thing. I don't know. We read about that here. You know, it's in the Bible. Because, I mean, God made us with this capacity, but he says, I'm in your prayers. I can provide even more than you've even could imagine at this point. And to me, that blows my mind because I hadn't even thought of it yet. He said, and I'm able to provide.

That's pretty amazing. Yeah, it really is. There's a reason where Jesus, when he got to the planet, I mean, here he is to make the living God known. You know, that's that John 117. And he made that illustration that I read earlier about when you pray, it's a conversation that's transparent. You're not going on some street corner to try to impress people. But it says when you pray, you don't, and it doesn't matter that how long it is or, you know, with many words. And then he just gave this simple prayer in Matthew 6.

nine he said this then is how you should pray our father in heaven which connotates it's our father i mean people we've come together as sons and daughters which is hard for religious people to get in their head a lot of times i mean they're like he's my father not yours because you you do this i mean i think the subtleness there is powerful hallow be your name your kingdom come your will be done which is you know in corinthians when We're talking about being ambassadors. We're representing heaven. That's why, you know, the same illustration that he's using in 2nd Corinthians 6, he kind of used in Philippians 3.

Remember when he said, I want to become like Christ in his death and somehow to attain his resurrection? And he goes through all his suffering and everything he thought was to his worldly success. He now considered rubbish. Well, then he gets down at the end and he says, our citizenship is in heaven. I mean, we're representing heaven because I'm, That's where we're from.

I'm not from wherever he was from. And so then he says, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven, which we talked about that, your will be done earlier. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts as we forgive. And talking about powerful,

and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. Simple, powerful meaning. All this talk about whirl and this, He died for all Jesus did That those who live should no longer live for themselves But for him who died for them and was raised again Which is a centerpiece of where we've been

And where we are and where we'll stay So now we regard no one From a worldly point of view Though we once regarded Christ in this way And a lot of them still do We do so no longer Therefore if anyone's in Christ He's a new creation

The old is gone and the new is come and it all come from God. You read that and you say, you know, it's not rocket science. I know about rocket science, but I know it won't get me out of the ground and remove my sin. Rocket science will not remove your sin or raise you from the dead. That's the problem with rocket science. Yeah. Although it'd be fun.

It'd be fun. What a ride. Yay. I hope we can get back to planet Earth. Sometimes you do, son. Sometimes you don't. But write the ride, huh? Yeah, that's a new book idea, Dad, the problem with Rocketside.

But you know, you think about all the things you've seen in life. It won't get you out of here alive, period. I mean, look, I remember one night, I spent 30 minutes. This is kind of morbid, but I found somewhere on YouTube, they were, you know, they have these boats, these boat races that took off, especially from the South, you know. But they make the boat so fast to get faster and faster and faster. Well, they had a 30-minute clips of different boats that were going so fast that the wind caught them just right or in the turn. And what do they do?

It just flipped one flip out of another. And the man is just flying out. You see them doing cartwheels. I mean, they have them going out on the dry land, people running, jumping. That's what made me think when you went, yay. I mean, all that seems fun and great and how smart we are and how fast we can go until it suddenly goes wrong. But then people are mesmerized with the crash, where it's, then it becomes, knowledge becomes entertainment for people to see the crash, you know. You're just like, well, what a bunch of idiots?

It's like me, Jay. They have these shows air disasters. and I don't, I've never watched one, nor will I ever, because I'm on an airplane all the time. It's like, the last thing I want to do is fill my head with images of every airliner that's ever gone down. That is correct. That's why God, in his wisdom, started out with the whole thing all away from Genesis 3. He'd be born of a woman, the seed of a woman will save the world.

And when he finally shows up, he said, I'm going to make sure they count times. by that that's why he said all time is predicated on the rival of Jesus Christ 2002 years ago you count time by it okay you say that's that you know I heard about him you know the one I'm counting time by but I never have investigated that's a worldly point of view that's old school that that's you know faith nah hope no love no it's sad to watch it is and and and and and and without him we that we have nothing even though again it may seem like people have everything um in our last few minutes here um jace you mentioned that you read the lord's prayer

and a lot of times people will i don't know and i don't want to judge people but i mean it's almost like it's ritualistic with the prayer when i when obviously when you read some of the prayers we've read it's more of a conversation and jesus just gives you some tenets of if you want to in fact i was thinking about that prayer if you just lived your life you had a checklist and every day you checked off there's kind of like six themes there that you were living that would be the way to live i mean god has his place you know he's he's number one uh i'm i'm living a kingdom life not a worldly life when i think about supporting my family making a living whatever i'm giving god thanks for that not always thinking about you know what i'm going to

store up for myself more about today and then if I forgive people as I'm forgiven and then I and God delivers me from the evil one I mean that's that's that's the old there's your day right there day so that's that's that's a day in the life of what we are as believers that prayer yeah exactly I was trying to find that movie where it was some they were stunt driving or something and they drove off a cliff I could not I couldn't find the movie but I remember the line I mean guy crash and they looked and he's like he may be okay me fell off like a 200-foot cliff and then about when he said that the what was left of the vehicle went just burst in flames and he said maybe not no maybe yeah what was that movie I don't remember the name but my point I was going to make is

if you're waiting to that stage of your life to pray which is what we do look I've been guilty of it too most of the times our prayer life ticks up when we're literally have been just devastated. We've waited to hit the very absolute bottom in a jail sale or a hospital to where we say, you know, maybe I should ask God for, I mean, and that's why sometimes it's viewed wrong on how we pray, you know. I mean, it should be a daily care. I mean, it's something I definitely need to work on, and I'm glad we have this discussion today. So, Jason, what was that?

What's the sound you never want to hear? Do that, do that again? Yeah, especially as a, but you learn this, Al, because most of your life, you've been clean-shaven. But as a bearded man, you never want to hear in close proximity to you. I'm just thinking every time I've ever heard that, it always turned out bad. Yeah. All right, so we're going to go to overtime. There's one prayer I wanted to mention that we didn't get to.

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