Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 466 | Jase's Powerful Advice for Dealing with Confrontation & Something Lives Inside Phil’s Truck

Episode Date: April 24, 2022

Jase and Al start the morning off with a power outage, and Al laughs about the time he had to ride inside Phil's truck with a mysterious passenger. Jase shares some sound advice for dealing with confrontations and why Missy is afraid of his truck. Al explores worldly sorrows, and Jase explains why he was able to skip his 20-year high school reunion with ease. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Start the time or two for me. So you're dealing with a man who doesn't have a cell phone and is proud of it. Shocker. That's Dan. No, that's home. That's mom and dad's home. I think they would even know how to go messages. So here's where we are, Unashamed.

shame nation so we we're obviously we're not in the lair i'm halfway down to the layer and it's the day started out with chaos anyway because my my living room is this morning i get up days at seven o'clock i hear talking i go in the living room it's mom and lisa because their book is released so they're doing immediate interviews in my living room so i had a sleepover a big sleep over early morning so i'm tiptoeing around all that i'm thinking well let me get out of here get to the layer start the podcast i get halfway down Kay calls me he's like

there's no power at the layer great so I call you hold in place because we may have to go to a document

which obviously we're here so he's still got power issues down there and then I can't get a hold to that

so I call at the house nothing I texted Dan nothing I called Dan nothing his truck's at the layer

case says well I guess he went over on the land I was like well does he know we're doing a podcast so so

There's a backstory here. The last podcast we did, it was circulated that we were doing it at 10 o'clock. Well, Phil showed up at 1030, which is unusual because Phil usually shows up early. I mean, when he says be there at 9, that means 8.45. If you're not there at 8.45, he leaves. And he said, hey, they told me 11 o'clock. Oh, man, there was a... No, trust me, the word got out.

But 10 was the word. He heard 11 for whatever reason. So the point is, there are some good usages of technology as far as when you're going to meet, what you're going to do together. And so this is a. But you know, here's so, Jay's, I told Kate. I said, what are we going to do? Do you want me to go try to find them? I said, oh, no, we got, Jace has filming to do.

We got another podcast after this one. You know, the duck hall room has to film in here because today's their filming day. So I was like, just leave a note on the door. And Kate said, a note. Like, I had just reached deep into the annals of time and brought forth this ancient idea. He said, I hadn't thought about a note in years. Yeah. I said, well, when I'm dealing with mom and dad, I deal with notes on a consistent basis.

Sticky note here. I mean, you see Dad's Rolodex is all next to his chair on the handful of numbers he'll answer. That is crazy how our world now. that is something that's going out of favor i mean literally he's a young man he he had no idea he's like a note wow he said i hadn't written a note in years so he was almost like he was excited that he got to actually handwrite a note and stick it on the he said what do i do with it i said well he's sticking on the door oh yeah yeah i remember like he was going back to his childhood i mean that's that's how much the world has changed so kage you learned something new to something old is something new

These millennials. What is a pen? What is this thing you call paper? Because they don't ever write anything down. I'm still kind of in between. Obviously, I have a cell phone that's doing me no good because I can't get a hold to anybody. But I still kind of old school, I like to write stuff down as a reminder. Yeah, I have a note.

I mean, you write notes. I like to write. But you must be like me. So I learn, when I'm listening to a sermon, if it's something that really intrigues me, or I'd follow the thread like we talked about in the last podcast like you did. I like to write it and think about it. And even when I'm just reading the Bible, my initial first step of study,

even when we do it for the podcast, I don't go right to the computer. I like to write it first, then type it in. Yeah, I like to, I don't ever type it. Yeah, you miss that step. I'm just a writing.

What the difference in me and you is I always said, I said, hey, Jason, you've already taught First Corinthians. And you're like, oh yeah, but I can't find the notebooks. I'm like, well,

I will say this. 2 Corinthians 7 1 There's a transition here And I love this throwback to chapter 1 When he says since we have these promises Dear friends Let us purify ourselves

From everything that contaminates body and spirit Perfecting wholeness out of reverence for God So there's a throwback to chapter 1 Where he said And this is one of my favorite verses in the Bible in chapter 1 and verse 20 for no matter how many promises God has made they are yes in Christ I mean what a statement yeah and so through him the amen is spoken now it is God who makes both us and you

stand firm in Christ he anointed set his seal of ownership on us and put his spirit in our hearts as a deposit guaranteeing what is to come which is one of the promises. You remember when Acts 2 when he said, they said, what do we do? Peter shared Jesus. And he said, they were cut to the heart and said, repent me baptized. Every one of you, you'll receive forgiveness and sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then it says, this promise is for you and your children and their children. So we know that's one promise. The other promises I jotted down because he says, since we have these promises, he had just talked about us being the temple. of the living God, which I believe is a promise.

Correct. I mean, it's not just a statement. Right. He promised to live and walk among them, I will be their God, and they will be my people. And then he said, I will receive you. You'll be my sons and daughters. These are all promises, and the promises center around our relationship with God.

And then the whole idea, you're exactly right, and the whole idea of the Holy Spirit in dwelling, the temple, which is a picture, it's a new covenant picture of the God dwelling in the temple. Because you remember you had the most holy place. Nobody could go in there. It was just, the high priest could go in once a year, just to offer atonement for the sins of the people. So the only connection they had to God, to Yahweh, to the Father, was through this intermediary. And so when that temple tore in two, when Jesus died on the cross, it then ushered in the this opportunity for the Holy Spirit to live actually in the temple, which is now you.

So when you get to that verse in verse one that you said, when he said body and spirit perfecting holiness out of reverence for God, he's talking about the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit. I mean, that's what the Spirit does. He is the one that puts that perfection in contact with us. Because even though we're in Christ, we're personally imperfect. We learned that in 12.

But Jesus is perfect, therefore in weakness, the Holy Spirit says, oh, no, you've got just that piece you need that links you until the resurrection. Yeah, so that's why I was going to bring this up. This is a little tricky because it says, and I'll give some contents, I was going to ask you about this. Because he says, since we have these promises, which you just said, we have the perfect Holy Spirit in us, but we're imperfect. Correct. But then it says, let us purify ourselves. So, you know, he gets to perfecting holiness. So the reason I think this is a tricky conversation is because if I read you three things, three throwbacks in Second Corinthians, you would think that that's an impossibility for us to purify ourselves. So that's what I wanted to talk about because, so let me give you one. In 2nd Corinthians 5, 18, it says all this is from God.

And that that's in the context of if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old is gone. Okay. The new has come. So all this is from God, not from us. Right. Who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us, all right, the ministry. So then you read 2nd Corinthians 3, 4 through 8, which we've read.

read this, but it says, the God of this age is blind. That's talking about the evil one. Blinded the minds of unbelievers, so they can't see the light of the gospel. So verse 5 says, we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ is Lord and ourselves as servants for God said, let light shine of darkness, made his light shine in the hearts to give us the knowledge of the glory of God. We have this treasure in Georgia's Clay to show this all surpassing power. is from God.

Yep, not from us. So then if you back up one more and look at 2 Corinthians 1, 9, and 10, and I hope you see what the problem here is on explaining this. Indeed, in our hearts we felt the sentence of death, but this happened that we might not rely on ourselves, but on God who raises the dead. He has delivered us from such a deadly person, and will deliver us.

On him, we have set our hope that he will continue to deliver us. So my point is, to which is it? Is God doing the purified? Or how do we purify ourselves in the context? And look, I could have gone to a lot more. Sure. Versus. So do you want to comment on that or do you want me to tell you what I think?

No, I'll tell you what I think. And then you can tell me if you agree or you've got something different. Okay. So what I've always seen here, and I gave you the first, my lead into it from the tabernacle slash temple, and the people, you know why they went there? Especially the once a year, but then they went all the time to make sacrifice. They did it to purify themselves. The thing is, they weren't doing anything except coming in humble submission and saying, here's the sacrifice. So I think it's exactly the same way with us.

We can't do it. In other words, what's done in purification is outside of us. us all we can do is come and offer ourselves and say, look, we need to sacrifice, we can't do anything, we need purification. So our role is just that. It's submission and offering ourselves. And then all the other work is done by someone else. 100% agree. And then I think it leads to holiness, which would actually... I'm so glad, Josh, you agreed to be right by agreeing with me. That's... Yeah, well, I agree. We need to fail here because he might have disagreed.

He might have. And he may bust in the door any minute. Let's take a lot. break. So I would like to read, there's a couple of passages that I've found that I think go along with this to help you understand this. Because look, you say, why are you making such a big deal of this? Because there's a lot of churches that are preaching this purification of yourself from a legal standpoint on you're good enough, you know, you're smart enough and doggone it. People like you. I mean, that that and jays to your point the the jewish mindset especially the jewish leadership missed that everything i described a minute ago because they saw themselves is having the ability to purify themselves by their abilities and their actions and their whatever's yeah so if i just read hurriedly through

first peter one 13 it says prepare your minds for action be self-controlled set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when jesus is revealed kind of like what you you said, getting ready to offer yourself. So then it says, but just in verse 15 of 1st Peter 1. But just as he who called you as holy, so be holy in all you do. And to me, this is the biggest difference. He's not asking you to purify yourself based on some kind of legal document, a rule book, or a code.

He's asking for holiness based on the fact that he's holy. Correct. So when you come to him, that's why the promises were all relationship-oriented. Right. Your sons and daughters. You do this because you love your father because he loves you. Remember the verse that this is love for God, not that you loved him, but that he loved you. It's reciprocal.

And so then he gets down to verse 17, says that the father judges each man's work impartially. Live your lives as strangers. For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver, gold that you were redeemed. So it's not some thing or some relic or some thing you put your hand on, but it was with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb, an actual being. He was chosen for the creation of the world, was revealed in the last times for your sake. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him,

and so your faith and our hope are in God. So watch what the next verse is. Now that you have purified yourselves, same phrase, by obeying the truth so that you have, and here we go back into holiness. So once you offer yourselves to God, there's another chapter I want to go through, because I think this is an important point. I mean a really big point. So while you're looking at verse up, I'll add that he starts that section you were talking about

by saying in verse 14, as obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you have when you lived in ignorance. same verbiage that Paul is using back in Corinthians to the Corinthians about, look, you can't yoke yourself with this whole unbelieving generation. You can't live in evil. You can't live in ignorance. You've got to separate from that by submitting your life to Christ. So it's the exact same context that Peter's using that Paul used. Yeah. So I think what he does is he gives you the impulse. I do believe there is in every human being a desire to seek God. Because he put us on a planet where his creation is evident, going back to Romans 1.

Correct. And there's a draw here. Through your conscience, the way you're made and built, there's an impulse to search for God. Then Jesus said, I think it's in John 12, by his death, he would draw all men to himself. There's a draw there. Now, you can dismiss it. You can ignore it. You can think you've heard it.

But I'm taking him at his word. That is a draw. Yeah. Because here we have someone innocent claiming to be God coming from a virgin given his life for the people that are guilty. If that's not greatness, I don't know what it is. Correct. So there's a draw there. Well, then the resurrection, that has to be a draw because we all are going to die.

So all these draws from the way we're made, the way we think, the creation itself, the cross of Christ. So you have that. Well, then he gives us the vision. Once you draw closer, you start seeing a path to something different, a different lifestyle, different set of friends, different purpose, different relationships, because God makes all of that better. Right. Because he's right and true and just.

Well, then, but he doesn't leave us there because then once we offer ourselves, he then gives us the power to pull it up. off. And that's when the Holy Spirit comes in. So you have these impulses, you have this vision, but then you actually have the power through his power in you to pull off all these promises and purposes that you have in Christ. That's kind of the way I view it. So, and I think what a good way to explain this. So when you see the word purify yourself, it's actually like an offering. It's a surrendering. It's a denial. It's a, in this case,

Colossians 3, now just watch how this same system works. So he starts in 1. He just in chapter 2 went through the offering of yourself because he's like, if I just reviewed real quick,

for Colossians 2, 9, it said all the fullness of the deity lives in Christ. You've been given fullness in Christ. It was just a gift. You've been given that. All of you had your old sinful self cut off, having been buried with him in baptism, raised with him through your face. So there's this surrender that took place. God made you alive. He canceled the code. So then he gets to chapter three and he says, since then you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things

above, which he mentions, he's fixing to mention in 2nd, 2. He said, make room for us in your hearts, which is an interesting statement. But that heart, that deep down thought, the inner being of you, what you think nobody sees, what you give to God, which is basically your compass to how you're going to make decisions, what you're giving up. He says, set that on Christ, set your mind not on things above, not on earthly things, for you died and your life is now hidden in Christ. When Christ who is your life appears,

then you also appear with Him in glory. Now this next three words is what I was trying to get to. Put to death, therefore. So the other two phrases, which was the same phrase, 1st Peter 1 and 2nd, 7, said purify yourself. Right. But that's synonymous with put to death. Right.

The old is gone. You're putting to death. and the new is forming by the power of God. Correct. Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature, and he goes through all these things that are negative. And then I think it's interesting when he gets to verse 10 of Galoian Street and have put on the new self. Same lingo as 2 Corinthians 5, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of the creator.

It's not how much you know, it's who you know. That's why he said the promises are who you know. It's very important. Then that's what all unites us. Because he's like, we don't have Greek or Jews, circumcised, barbarian, slave, freak. Christ is all and is in all. Then he gets to the holiness. Verse 12.

Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly love, clothe yourselves. Well, here's all the evidence of holiness, compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, patience, bear with each other, forgive us the Lord over all these virtues put on love. I think that's what he's trying to explain that this process is going to reinvent itself on a daily basis of keeping the old person dead and allowing God to work in you as the new self, which is makes you holy. I agree. Let's take a break. I agree 100%. And the difference is from the difference is from the new self.

from the old covenant to the new is once you enter into that purification, you're now entered into a relationship. And that's different than what they had before. I want you to listen to this, Jax, because this backs over everything you just said. This is from Hebrews 9, 23. It was necessary then for the copies of the heavenly things. That's everything that was before, you know, the temple, the high priest. These were all copies.

They weren't the real thing. The real thing was coming. And he was trying to get them for thousands of years to say, I got some. the better coming. He says, the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices. In other words, this was the process to get you ready. But the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. I wonder what he's talking about. For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one. He entered heaven itself now to appear for us in God's presence. That answers the question of why did he leave? He's a question of,

left to go into heaven as our representative. Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again the way the high priest enters. See, that was temporary every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the war, but now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. Just as man is destined to die once after that to face judgment. So Christ will sacrifice once to take away the sins of many people and will appear a sacrifice. time not to bear sin but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for in the resurrection. Valent point, which is why when people say, what would Jesus do, that needs to be followed

with what's he doing now. Exactly. He's purifying now. He's living, active, working in us now, representing us, we represent him there. So I think an illustration I would use to, because this got pretty deep. But I'm trying to explain, because a lot of people, people say, well, oh, you know, I've got to purify myself. And then, well, let's say they don't. They're not perfect. We're not perfect. Correct. I mean, when I was, when I came to Christ at 14, and I probably went two weeks, which is a pretty long time, without even sending the first two weeks. I was so excited. But at some point, you mess up. And I remember thinking, well, I've screwed this up. Because, you know, when you're 14, you're struggling to get your head,

around what we're talking about today living under a grace system in a relationship where God knows your heart. He knows your trying. He knows your attitude in response to your old self. And when things come up, he knows that. He knows what's in your soul and your heart on a minute by minute basis. So I thought of this illustration, it's like, you know, I have a problem washing vehicles. I mean, we have a lot of problems in our family.

You know, we don't shave and get haircuts. We don't mower grass. But another thing is I don't wash my truck. Because the reason I don't is because at some point it's so dirty, no one notices it anymore. They're not saying, boy, it's more dirty today than it was yesterday. But when you clean it up, well, then you notice every little dirt spot that comes your way. And I think that's as a Christian.

That's what happens. all of a sudden God, Christ has washed us made us white as snow and then to make this a positive then you notice the flaws and you're like, oh, I got a problem right here because they're standing out like a sore thumb

because God, I've put to death the old person he's washed me a new. Well, I think that's the difference when it comes to dirt as being sin in our life. In the world, you're just like, I'm so far, this is so dirt. I mean, I wouldn't, well, you mean, try to wash this off.

That's why, you know, Isaiah used that analogy about our, with the dirty rags of trying to remember that verse. You know, we treat our sins like dirty rag, where we're just like, oh, let me clean off a couple, but the rags already dirty. There's so much dirt we wouldn't even know anyway. Right. And so, I mean, May, I don't know if you see my point.

No, I see your point. In fact, it's funny, I would never see that illustration from your point of view because I can't. keep my truck clean. But the problem is every time you get a speck of dirt, then you got to go address it. No, but then that also lets me notice the speck of dirt. And so I take my car back to the car wash. So we have the same end result.

We're just looking at it. I'm looking at from a clean truck. You're looking at it from a dirty truck. Exactly. Both trucks are in Christ to make your illustration. Yeah, but you, you know, with your sin, if you treat it that way where you just don't want to be washed, okay sure nobody's really going to notice your holiness because it's not there you know what I'm saying because they're not picking out and I don't know where this

vision you're illustrators but nobody wants to ride in your truck either Jay so I don't you know that's right but exactly good point I mean my wife has said on multiple occasions she said I'm scared of your truck she's scared to go in it she's scared to go around well I can say this to make you feel a little bit better when I When I tried to ride in dad's truck one time, the work truck, I was scared. And so as bad as your truck may be, that illustration is on steroids when it comes to our dad. Because that thing hadn't been cleaned out in a year. Well, the last time I got in his truck.

They're living things in that. No, that's what I was going to say. The last time I got in his truck, because Phil can't hear anymore. No. We can talk about it. Or smell. And so something ran behind me towards Phil in the back. And it was pitter-patter.

It was something with feet and claws. So I look around and I was like, Phil, you got something alive in your truck. He went, no. But I thought, well, it went toward Phil, so I'm not going to worry about it. But I'm not going to sit here and argue that I just see. I have a phobia about that because when you're driving, especially if you're going down interstate, like you're in a very vulnerable position. We're going 75 miles an hour.

And when something then all of a sudden is maybe in attack mode, I'm in a bad disadvantage to fight off whatever it's coming out. He's got the advantage because I'm vulnerable. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I've had, I've had many a close mishap over a wasp or a spider or, you know, in my vehicle. But you know why that happens to feel? because number one, he hasn't cleaned that truck out in Polly 5.

Since he had it. But also in the last seven, eight, ten years, Phil's gotten in the habit. He opens his door and he leaves it out. He never, you know how when you get out of your truck, you open the door and then you close it. Right. I mean, I've left my door open once or twice because I was getting something. Right. But Phil, he just leaves.

I'll pull up to his house and his. truck will be parked in front of his house and his door will be open. Well, we've established the rat issues out there, so I'm sure that's what was in his truck. You know, the dad tells the famous story. They were going down I-20. I think they were about rusting, and a bat came out. And I think they were driving my vehicle, but a bat comes out and comes out near him. So he's just, he just gets over on the shoulder and then dives over mom out the passenger door.

It doesn't say Ms. Kay get out. As she's opening the door, he dives over her to get away from this bat. And so he tells the story. And I was like, so, Dad, basically the chivalrous idea that women and children ahead of you, that's just an outdated concept, right? He said, hey, you know how we were raised? Every man for himself. I said, you know, I don't know what that says, but. That says embarrassment.

But the need for forgiveness. That's horrible. And what's so funny is he tells it like almost pridefully like, you know, hey, that's what's what happens. You signed on. That's what you get. Well, to get back to the point. Hang on. Let's take a break to him.

I think another illustration, and this is not, you think about it, people are at different growth spots in their faith. I mean, we all start off pretty immature. I mean, because if you're a new baby. being Christ. And we're going to address that in the next couple of chapters about maturing. Right. But you're saved. You know, Jesus is what saves us.

And so what I'm fixing to say is not about salvation, but I just wanted to make a point, kind of like the truck analogy about washing the truck. You know, the closer you are to God, the more noticeable these things, this. dirt in your life is. I mean, if you're, if you're struggling and are not talking to God on a daily basis, studying his word, you know, meeting with brothers and sisters, having, in this case, even what Paul was for the Corinthians, you need friends and brothers like Paul that are telling you, hey, you got dirt in your beard or, you know, you got a honey bind on, because that's your real

friends who will not worry about embarrassment and tell you what you don't want to hear, but they're doing it because they're looking out for you. And that's the way we started this conversation today. I mean, yeah, he lit them up in the first letter to them. But you just think about there's times I've had in my family's life when things weren't going good. I did the equivalent of the same thing. You said, why?

Because I want them to notice they're at a stage. of their life where they're not close to God, even though they're saved and they're struggling, and they're just not noticing these bad decisions, the things that he said in Colossus 3 to put to death, the start of that process that's not godly. No, you're right. And that's a great illustration because, and look, it's also a failure a lot of times in families because they're thinking, well, I don't want to offend my brother, my cousin, my aunt, whoever. In other words, I don't want to be the one that says the thing needs to be said so they don't

say it. Well, nobody else is going to say it. So what happens is just like Paul is describing, that's what was happening in the Corinthian Church. Nobody says anything. And then you just keep moving closer and closer to the evil and away from everything you've been called to do. So it's a great point.

The only ones who, if you have a love unified relationship, you're saying to your family, to that trusted brother, sister, whoever, look. look, I want you to tell me if we start going off the rail. And I've told the story before Jason when we first started doing the show because, you know, everybody was nervous about it because this was fixing to thrust our family into literally a national stage and spotlight. What happens if somebody gets affected by that? What are we going to do? And what we said as a family and we've done it through the years is we're going to help each other.

We're not going to be that family that turns on each other, you know, that I'm out of here. whatever, because fame does that to a lot of people because they get to where they can't be honest with each other. So that's a great point. It's exactly the context in Corinthians about what's going on. Yeah, that's why when he got to verse two, he's like, make room for us in your heart. We have wronged no one. We have corrupted no one. We have exploited no one. I do not say this to condemn you. I mean, he's being careful. Yeah. Because he's already ripped them pretty hard. I have said before that you have such a place in our hearts that we should live or die with you. I have great confidence in you.

And look, I think this is a good tip for when you're really fixing to get on somebody's toes. You pick out some positive things. I've got great confidence in you. I'm taking great pride in you. I am greatly encouraged in all our troubles. My joy knows no bounds. So it wasn't like he was just constantly ripping them. He was encouraging them.

He was saying positive things. I have confidence in you. And look, by the way, the many times I've had to sit down with some brother or sister in the church because I was a pastor, elder, all these years, I always started the same way. First of all, let me start this by saying, I love you. I'm so glad you're part of a church family. And then I say, you know, you do this well, you do this. And, of course, you know, someone's sitting there and they're going to get to something.

And we are, but you want people in a heartfelt. We're not about to have the conversation we're going to have because I don't love you and because I don't want what's best for you. And then you get to that point where something's going on their lives or something's happened and you're like, look, here's what God says we need to do. And at the end, if it goes well, you have that prayer. And hopefully you have that, you know, brother, I'm just so glad you were willing to tell me that because I didn't recognize her knowing.

So that's the way he's doing this to the whole show. He's trying to have a difficult conversation. And he gets to verse 5, and he's like, when we came into Macedonia, this body of ours had no risk. We were harassed at every turn. Conflicts on the outside, fears within. And now here's a throwback to how he started the chapter about this comfort. Remember Phil went on that about he mentions it eight times in 2nd Corinthians, one way. He brings it up again.

But God who comforts the downcast comforted us by the coming of Titus, which I love that. uses people to his people to comfort his other people. Which, by the way, before you start seven, I want to enter a programming context note. You notice he just spread out beyond Corinth to all of Macedonia, which is a whole region, more churches. And he begins to mention Titus, who's going to be kind of at the center point of the next two chapters. Which is they're going to pull off the impossible. I mean, I'm saying that in a coy way, because they're going to bring churches together. which is very hard to do now and then.

We like our own little camps. Exactly. So it says, and not only by his coming, but also by the comfort you had given him, he told us about your longing for me, your deep sorrow. So they got their feelings hurt. And look, it's understandable because, I mean,

Paul's ripped them up one side and down the other. And he gets to eight and he addresses it. But in this section, we really have some nuggets here, I think some secrets to our lives on how our attitudes should be. And I'll just read it. It says even if I love this section, this eight to 13. Yeah, it's very good. Even if I cause you sorrow by my letter, which is my point.

He says, I don't regret it. So he's standing firm in. And you want people in your life who will tell you what you don't want to hear, but what you need to hear. which is what he's doing and he's like and guess what i don't even regret it though i though i did regret it i see that my letter hurt you but only for a little while yet now i'm happy not because you were made sorrow sorry i feel like this is like me explaining something to my wife why she's so mad at me but but also do you think in that first part i do not regret it that did it though it did it

I mean, in other words, he's... I think he was like a part of me regretted that you're sorry and you're mad and nothing happened good. Which, well, whoever, Jace, didn't step forward and do something bold and you know you're doing it for the right reason, but then you worry about it later. Did I come on too strong? You know, especially if it goes south. I mean, he did the classic argument I do with my wife is like, well, it turned out great. But how he got there, I mean, there was...

I think he's making this point about that. Hang on, let's take our last break. I think he's making the point where he says, I don't regret it, though I did have some regrets, the results of it. I think he's saying I don't regret it because there's a fundamental principle that he's getting to, which I'll go ahead and read it, when he says, for you became sorrowful as God intended, and so we're not harmed in any way by us. And to go back to my truck illustration, I mean, you watch the truck, it's all great,

you know and then you're you're because i would never feel this way because it's just a truck but i know how people do so you're sporting around town then you pick up a you know a buddy and he's like hey there's a spot on your truck and you're oh and you're just devastated i just watched this thing oh darn i mean why did you even have to bring it up you know well look what he says godly sorrow brings repentance so there's sorrow and then there's sorrow and then there's Godly sorrow. It brings repentance, which is, if you define repentance, we say, make a decision to change. We did that metanoia.

It's where everything changes based on your view of God's grace, mercy. So that leaves. Verses the fake metaverse, which is a, yeah, a creation of falsehood. of happiness. Just to brain that out, because that was a good point. So that leads, well, every time I see repentance now, I think of that word, men, an annoya, that leads to salvation. And this is like the purifying yourself.

You're putting to death. You come to Christ. You're sorrowful based on what you've done. And that, once you make that decision to change, well, it leads to salvation because Jesus is salvation. Now it's on to his power and leaves no regret. I think that's why he said I didn't regret it. No, I did regret it.

Because you think about it, you can't respond to God just to look at this as in the context of salvation. Just think about it if you hear about Jesus and you are cut to the heart and you surrender to him and he saves you. And then every day you relive the rest of your life saying, boy, I used to have a good time. You know, I used to party and... Yeah. Boy, back in the day. Yeah, I was something back then.

Well, what are you regretting? What you had, you know, and you actually see that a lot of times. People think coming to Christ is like this miserable road that you have to endure of rulekeeping and ritualistic. Oh, Jay's, I've been, so this year's my 40th graduation. class. I mean, it's been 40 years since you graduate high school. I still see a few guys around town. And then once in a while, you're getting a conversation with one of them. And I vaguely remember most of them. And then one of them will start going back to the glory days. And I thought, you know, it would be really sad if I felt like I peaked at 17 at West Winnell High School that

that's really all I got is stories about that 40 years later. I mean, you know what I'm saying? I mean, that part of my life, it was what it was. But I'm sure not finding a lot of glory to revel in it. You know, I mean, it's way better now and what I look forward to every day. But this passage here, I mean, this is where I can't, you know, some of these lines that I get credit for and they put on notebooks and bumper stickers from our little duck show. You know, one thing, they were asking me, we were doing some kind of graduation episode where somebody was graduating. And they were asking my thoughts about it about going to these 20-year, what do you call them? 20 reunions yeah reunions and i'm like i would never go to that but i think they were wanting us to do it on the show and i was like but i wouldn't do it yeah and they're like i mean i was doing this in

the interview but they're like well what what problem could you possibly have and i'm like maybe there's a reason i haven't seen you in 20 years that's right i mean because look i was a follower of jesus in high school and i wasn't vocal about it until my junior the late last part of my junior year and then my senior year. But pretty much everybody that I wanted to see in heaven, I mean, immaturally, but I made a list. Yeah. And I shared with them.

Right. And so some of them eventually responded, but the rest of them said, he drew a line in the sand and where I don't want any part of that. So why would I want to go revisit that 20 years later? Right. We've already, the people that I, that I'm with who responded. And the people, I shared, I had a list. because I went to such a big public high school.

There was only a small group of people I knew anyway. Right. That's the same way. And in fact, if you go back and find a yearbook from the years that I went to high school, you will find me nowhere in there. Technically, I never went. Because the day they took pictures, I found a loophole on those days. They didn't view that.

There was something that happened in the attendance record. So whenever we were going to have pitcher day for the yearbook, but I would never go. And it wasn't counted as a day absent. I'm not sure what happened there, but I noticed a pattern. So I was like, well, they're giving me a free day off.

Every time there's a pitcher. It was like a movie as I saw. At the end of it, they were showing what happened to all these people from college. And there's one guy that comes up and his name comes up and it says, there is no record of his existence. There's no record of me in high school. But I had made a spiritual decision. Well, in the last couple of minutes, I want to at least read this.

So then he says, you got a lot to talk about in overtime. It leaves no regret. Now, here's the transition. And this is a peculiar statement. It is. But worldly sorrow brings death. So what's your initial impression of why he would say, I mean, that's kind of scary? So it's like, godly sorrow breaks repentance.

Worldly sorrow brings death. But I don't think that's the good kind of death. It's not. And that my knee jerk is that's where all-worldly sorrow ends, which when we start breaking down the two different, what a godly is versus worldly, I think it begins to be much more evident with that. Well, if you think about repentance being reconciliation, you change. God, I mean, he just talked about a couple chapters before, this whole idea of reconciliation,

which is a big fancy word, which means bring back together. But when you look at the definition of death, it really means just separation. Correct. You're dead physically when you're, now your heart pump may go off or you may get shot or whatever happens when your body shuts down, but your soul leaves your body. However you want to, there's a separation that occurs. And you're looking and you're like, what's wrong with this person? And that's the distinctive thing between the two in the context here is because think about the person who has no relationship with Christ and they're about to lose their loved one. You see the difference? I mean, that's a deep sorrow because, Because in your heart, you're saying, I will never see this person again. I will never have this relationship. And I was thinking, too, when you get your feelings hurt, though, what do you do? From a spiritual perspective, you alienate. Correct.

You know, I tell you. So in this case, Paul gives them a letter that just sets their world on fire. And they could have just said, we're not going to have anything to do with you. Or they could have got so mad they tried to kill him or stone him. I mean, there's a reason all these date lines. and murder mystery and all these things happen most of the times it's people can't get along or somebody cheats on somebody and they get mad and they're jealous they're sorrowful and enraged and they're somebody didn't get the money they thought they were deserved and here we go it it brings

death and they'll be in a prison cell for life saying i'll tell you i just can't believe they did that to me they're like well what about you you didn't respond very well see we just got a little bit read all the way to 13A. See what this godly sorrow has produced in you, what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourself to be innocent in this matter. So even though I wrote to you, it was not on account of the one who did the wrong

of the injured party. And this is the key, but rather that before God, you could see for yourselves how devoted to us you are. By all this, we're encouraged. In addition to our own encouragement, we're especially delighted to see how Hepatius was because his spirit has been refreshed by all of you. So look, everybody, we had a counseling, we had an intervention through the Holy Spirit of God, and he's bragging on them that they've received this well, and we're being part of her forever family.

And he's fixed to get to how we continue to help each other. Exactly, which we'll get in the next podcast. So any word guys on Phil? Do we know anything? So we're still looking. Maybe we'll find him. Maybe he'll show up for the next podcast. We're going to do overtime, and we're going to draw a little bit more distinction between godly sorrow and worldly sorrow.

What do those two look like? So we'll talk about that. Maybe we can send some smoke signals because that's what we're down to. You don't have a phone. We're down to smoke signals or. He's 25 miles away. We'll see. Maybe we'll see him.

Maybe we'll see him again. today. We'll know. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to Blaze TV at blazedv.com slash unashamed.