Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 467 | The Return of Phil, 'Ferris Bueller's Day Off' & Jase Warns of Melted Treasure

Episode Date: April 25, 2022

Phil is back in the studio, the mayhaws need to be harvested, and the power is still out. Jase compares Phil to "Ferris Bueller's Day Off," but Phil says he didn't watch that movie because he believes a man should work hard with his hands. Jase tells a story about buried treasure and an unexpected house fire. And Phil describes a spiritually sound health care ministry located in the "Volunteer State" of Tennessee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, so dad, we finally found dad. So over the last podcast, if you remember, for us, dad was MIA, but he knew where he was. You weren't an MIA to you because you knew exactly where you were. So tell what happened. There was a miscommunication between you and I. Tell me what you heard. Well, I got on my hands and knees at daylight. And then I went to attract a, bush hogging the debris out of the way to make room to pick the mayhaws, paying $25 a day, pick the mahogs. And somebody says, you got a podcast.

I said, they said they didn't have a podcast today. Yeah, that's where the problem happened, where we... Well, I'll tell you what I said, and I'll tell you what dad heard. Okay. And because I think, I mean, obviously it's a miscommunication. Maybe it was the one, the two. We're not having two on Monday. Exactly.

So what I said, what I told you, Dad, when I walked in, you said, man, one is a lot better than two because the last podcast, mom and Lisa were on an Alex, so you didn't have to do it. So when I said, yeah, it's a lot better doing one than two in a day. You're exactly right. But I said, we got two tomorrow. But I think you heard me say, and we're off tomorrow. Because you didn't think we had podcasts. Or we have two tomorrow, but he heard and we're off. We're off tomorrow. I think that's what happened. I think that was the miscommunication. And so, because I was like, yay. There's no. Last night, I said, boy, I said, I got to get, I said, wait a minute. I don't have a podcast tomorrow. Of course, you know.

You know what you need, Phil? When your women say, nope, you don't have one tomorrow. I'm going up there. You got back up for mom, not good. You know what you need, Phil? You need a cell phone. This is the rest of the world that we communicate. So I know there's a lot of negative things, but this is a positive.

thing because then we can't get a hotel because i could have texted union we thought about smoke signals but i didn't know if older i get the harder it is to reach me yeah that's true it is that's true well i texted dan but he was working with you just the hustle and bustle of the whole thing mayhaw's you're our listeners uh you had those mayhaw had over all the things that we could have miscommunicated and missed a podcast over picking up mayhaws and getting mayhaw jelly later this year everything is forgiven and moved on because. Well, you completely redeemed yourself because, look, I'm out of Mayhall jelly. I am too.

And I only have one source that I can get it. I stood in amazement this morning. I looked up, I said, last year, this tree bore zero, not one Mayhaal. Why, I'm not quite sure. The freeze in February maybe. But this year, the limbs are just sagging, just hanging with them. Oh, I like that. And about, they're about a fourth getting red, so we're about a week out.

Oh, that's exciting. If you all run out of something to do, you know, y'all are young, see, y'all are young bucks. Y'all need to get on y'all's hands and knees and crawl around. I like that idea about hiring some people that are looking for work. I hadn't run out of something to do. I have one day off, which is next Friday, but I'm the, I have a least. lead on the elusive chinky pan that are betting up this time of year. So I'll trade you, how about this?

I'll trade you some chinky pans filleted for some mayhall jelly. Would be wise. Just remember, I've got a stash ahead now on the Apalusus cat. I've got one net out. The rope has been there that I've been tying a net to for 40 years. Every time I try a net to it, I run it. Yeah. One or two ups, one or two ups.

So I just got a constant supply of Apollusus catfish coming in. I debone them, bag them, and it'll probably feed 10 to 15. I wish you had brought one of those bags up there. Yeah, I know. It would have been nice. So I'm busy getting ready for the mayhawls. I'm catching Opelousas catfish. And to your admonition about needing a cell phone, make it your ambition.

live a hectic, wide open life with a self. Everybody's called, no, it said, make it your ambition to live a quiet life. Mind your own business. Work hard with your hands so your daily life and win the respect to our kind. And here it is, so that you will not be dependent on anyone that Jesus, the Son of God. It's a good way to roll. You know what just hit me in this moment that the name. of our podcast is unashamed taken from Romans 116. I'm not ashamed of the gospel. But we actually

use, or Phil uses that verse way more than the Romans 116. Make it your ambition. That should have been, we should come up with like an amendment under unashame. It should be. It should be something like living the quiet life or something like that. Living the quiet. I'm 76 years old. I have never heard. a sermon on make it your, and he's supposed to start talking about the resurrection. Make it your ambition to live a quiet life, mind your own business, work hard with your hands.

Where is that? I've never heard a sermon on you. First Thessalonian. First Thessalonian is 4.11. Just before he says, don't, don't cry about when someone dies or, or when, don't cry about when someone does. Don't be ignorant about those who fall asleep. Oh, yeah.

No, that's 13. Yeah. That's going into the thing about the resurrection. Oh, it says it doesn't say don't cry when someone dies. It says don't grieve like the rest of men. Well, what do you get out of that? Well, but I think if you cry, Jesus wept. I'm saying like Lazarus, when he was resurrected, he wept right before then.

So what's the difference in our grieving because it says don't grieve like the rest of men who have no hope? Yeah, I think when there's a hysterical. state of mind where there's no hope. I think it's okay to cry because others are going to miss him or you're going to, you know, miss him. And I talked about it, Pafford Addis and Philippians. Biblically speaking, there is no, they passed away. Well, nope, they did not pass away.

You're right. It's not a biblical. I agree with that. And the other one. It's a common term, but not biblical. But, Dad, you really, to me, you swerved into. We lost him. We lost him, see?

We lost our father. He's gone forever. I want y'all, when you're standing around the casket to say, Phil is convinced us he's alive and well, probably aware of what the proceedings are. I just hope y'all proceed. Oh, we will. Smiles. They went a little from time to time.

Your funeral day will be. Little Cretus Clearwater Revival, you might put that in there. What about some Linners Kennedy? Rolling down the river, rolling on the river. But you were raising an era where tears were always. a sign of weakness or or panic and I'm saying I mean I got that from that John 11 it it's so tears are not necessary well remember I said about Jesus weeping over Jerusalem but to dad to your point in the podcast that we had in your absence we talked about worldly sorrow versus godly sorrow

but I think dad really honed in on the difference in the two because if this life is all you had worldly sorrow ends in death and death that there's no hope of anything beyond so you're right I've seen some situations and funerals where it was, I had sorrow because of how sorrowful they were because they didn't think they were going to see this person. Just a thought for our listeners, the new Jerusalem, new heaven, new earth. Peter alluded to that. Now John the revelator, the first heaven's gone. The first earth has passed away. There was no longer any sea, won't be any big oceans.

I saw the holy city, Jerusalem coming. I heard a loud voice. now the dwelling of God is with men and he will live with them. This is all past this whole era. They will be his people. God will be with them. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain

for the old order of things has passed away. A hundred percent agree. He who was seated on the throne said, I'm making everything new. I'm just saying, I don't know why they don't preach on that more, but I would think the preachers that read that text, I would think there's got to be some. Well, there's no more world. This is a grand biggest thing.

They said, no crying or no morning, nothing. You're just like, oh, my goodness. I was making a subpoint, though. There are good tears. I mean, God created this the way he did. I think Al's point, because we were going through 2nd Corinthians 7. Seven. There's a difference in godly sorrow, which leads to repentance, that leads to salvation.

I understand. And then all these positive qualities. I've teared up myself over it. Yep. All right. And I think it's a positive. I think what Jesus was doing in John 11, that's positive. I also laugh so hard, especially with my family.

Al, you do it almost every other podcast where tears are streaming down your face. Well, it's a, that would be a, you're crying and laughter. Right. So I'm just, I'm saying it's more of what's going on in your mind. If you think it's hopeless when someone dies or you're surprised, well, that's worldly sorrow.

I agree. So, so it just hit me. There's a difference. So what today, did you, dad doesn't remember it, I'm sure. Jason, do you remember the great 80s classic movie Ferris Bueller's Day Off? Never saw it. Okay.

It's a classic. Because Phil said that you need to work with your hands and do it. No, but today. The title is what got me. It's like I don't want to watch a movie about a guy's day off. No, but today is Phil Robertson's day off. So what happened was Ferris Bueller, he skipped school, and he went all over Chicago doing all the things he wanted to do and loved it.

And they were after him the whole time. principals trying to find him. It was just what we were doing this morning, and Dad was doing what he loves to do. But instead of all the stuff Ferris Bueller loves to do, Dad was doing his may halls, all the stuff he likes to do with us. Well, when he said what he was doing,

I thought, like if we were back in a... Today was... If I was the principal at school and he came in and he said, well, when you said we have two podcasts tomorrow, and he thought you said you have the tomorrow off, because he said he was... 76 years old, it happened. He says he can.

But then when he said, I actually went and checked the Mayhaw's. I caught an Apollosus cat. I was down on my hands and knees, gathered the Mayhaws. Because Phil is very generous with the Mayhall jelly. We're getting into generosity. To Ken. Just adding a little sweetness to the world. Well, right.

And you're adding that to my world, and a biscuit without Mayhall jelly is lacking. Right. I mean, that is the cherry on top. There may be some of our listeners who are thinking, what in the world are they talking about May haul. One, it comes in May. Yep. And it's a hall. It's a hall tree.

A hall tree. There's a lot of hall trees, but. Only one Mayhaw tree. Only one May hall. And produces a fruit, which makes fantastic. They like little apples, but if you eat it by itself, it seems tart. Too tart. It's like, this is uneditable.

But if you put it in a jelly and all of a sudden, it's one of the greatest things. things on the plate. So Jay's offered a Chinky Pins dad in exchange for him on his hands and knees. I'm going to, because I'm going to, I will, I think that's a good trade. As the Indian said and dances with woof, good trade. So I got to know that my trade, my offering to you is I will trade myself for one of the best Mayhall pickers and other than you, one of the best canners that I know, Melissa Atkins, our cousin, she's going to be coming down on Thursday. She's going to be cleaning out some of my mom stuff that needs to cleaning out. And she will be my proxy for helping with the Mayhaw's and the Mayhaw jelly.

We're good. I'm sending me. So we both have made offerings since we have Dan the eunuch. And this morning, I thought it would behoove me. I looked down the road and Stone who married your, your daughter, my granddaughter. Correct. And he's a good solid brother. He was with two government officials. Uh-oh. And they were on a four wheel this morning. I'm coming out of the woods with the mayhaw getting it ready to where they won't fall in the deep brush. We're bush hogging under the mayhaw tree.

So you won't stumble upon a cotton mouth, you need to know. So we cleaned it all up. So when they fall, put a tarpaulian or something. Most of them hit on the tarpoli and gather them up. I made it where they're easier to gather. I looked up and I saw Stone and the two government officials, they pull up. One was a little female and one was a male as far as I could tell. and I thought

Did you see that guy going yonder? I just pull up I pull up and they look at me and I'm looking at them and I said who's that Williamstone? He said government. I said good night. I knew I should have run

when I saw y'all coming. Did you grab your wallet? No, I didn't grab my wallet but I said, you see that guy going yonder with that bush hog? I said, that'd be a eunuch. Oh, boy. And I said, and I know you two

from the government are wondering whoa, we're a eunuch. So I had a little Bible treatise on Matthew 19. Some are born eunuchs, some are made to be eunuchs, and some are like the Apostle Paul and Jesus who renounce marriage. I said, what are y'all thinking? They were like, they were looking at stone.

Like they had just stumbled into the twilight. We had a Bible study and some admonition about eunuchs, but I could tell the government officials, they didn't get that in the classes when the university they went to. Let's take a break. Well, I'm glad they went to the University of Phil today because they got a little picture there, right? We're just trying to help out. I wonder what they're saying as they're leaving there. I wonder what they said about you.

What do you think they're? I probably wouldn't have wanted to hear it because they were talking to stone because they were grinning. Well, I'll tell you what. Every time they'd get the next one, you know, once I'm made that way something. What were they even doing down there? Yeah, what was the point of? All they were doing is, remember some of that land we bought, the landowners had taken government money to plant oak trees.

You're making sure you weren't manipulating. They were just seeing how that's going and they're going around. I told them about you, y'all, did y'all see my cypress that we planted over thousands of them? We planted cypress, ball cypress. Did they like that? Louisiana tree, it's our state tree is a ball cypress. Did they like that? Yeah, they did.

I said, I planted a thousand because they said, you know, You know, he may be a tree hugger. He's one of us. We do hug trees, especially when I'm trying to hide from a wood. We hugged ball cypress, especially. We hug them because we're proud of them. Yeah, we're proud of them. Well, what we're trying to hide.

I said, in the future, somebody comes by 30, 40 years from right now when we're talking here, when you all get old, I said, you'll look at all them cypress trees. You'd never think somebody planted them because they just looks like they lose in. You know, got a lot of cypress. Or if the wind comes up, you want to hug one. But they don't need a hug. No. People need hugs.

I mean, like when you're at a campfire and the wood is crackling, the people around it, they're more important. But I have hugged a tree where a duck wouldn't see me, hadn't you? I mean, if you're out there waiting. I mean, you know, I went through a hurricane, and I mean, I was hugging the biggest tree you ever seen. Holding on for dear life. They say you shouldn't do that, but when you're out in the woods, you can get caught in a storm. Yeah.

I figured I'd take my chances with the biggest tree. I'm just telling you, although I was not on the podcast, I was still pointing people to Jesus, government officials who are monitoring trees and whether we're cutting them down or not or running over them. But the trees are just like they planted them. So we look after trees. It's one of the things we do. We do.

Well, we went through St. Corinthians 7. We looked into what the difference in godly sorrow and worldly sorrow is. We did that in St. Corinthian 7, Dan. Yeah, I thought it was good. We went through some of the promises made. We talked about the difference in purifying yourself as far as something that you are doing rather than the way God's plan works in you, which is kind of like this given. I mean, you get to, I'm not too familiar with 2ndthians 8 and 9, but when I read it,

what stood out to me because when people get up to give a sermon on giving, I am usually in that moment, I don't have a good attitude. Right. And we talked about this before. I kind of have that same attitude when somebody's going to give a missionary report. Yep. And both are in this text, both of those. And so we're, before you say, oh, no.

When I read these two chapters last night, the number one thing that stood out to me was the grace of God. What about you? Which is why. Absolutely. That's what it's on my list. This is more about grace than getting. I was so impressed with whoever, whoever they said they put it on the schedule a year and a half ago. COVID come along. They canceled it and then they did it again, you know, the mass, the six foot distance and all this stuff.

So, but the group I spoke with, what they're doing is taking the funds that the church are giving and they're buying buses. I like this idea. About a $100,000 buses. And for the dentist who meet there, the brothers who are dentists, they go into the bus. They have glasses, eyesight, have your eyes checked free of charge. The church has the eye people who went to school for that on buses.

They look after your eyes. They look after your teeth. The dentist teeth? The dentist teeth. they'll pull your teeth. Yeah, you're trying to see. Yeah, that was great. I'm just saying Life's Way up in Tennessee, they're doing a great job.

They're taking the funds and they're doing the things that the government says, no, we'll take care of it. But the government is not taking care of it. Right. But God's people, I think all churches are to take that as a model what they're doing in Cookville, Tennessee, Life's Way Church. They're great people. And they're just buying buses.

And you can have people come up. the elderly, and I mean, they can fix you up. They can, they can, x-ray machines and say, here's what we recommend that you go, and here's what you do. And it's just they pull teeth, they're helping you with your eyes. They've got, you know, what are people who work on the heart, Sanpanero? Cardiologists. Cardiologists, they've got all of them there.

And the Sundays, they work. They're out there treating the human race. So what you're saying is the people of God could, do a better job in administering health care to people than the multi-trillions of dollars program known as Obamacare? The government has stepped in and they said, we'll take care of what God's people ought to take care of. They don't even know about God's people.

And it's just a sad thing. It really is. Well, it's a disaster anyway. It doesn't work. But that's what this chapter is going to talk about. That's why I brought it up. Yeah, I mean, it really is. I noticed two things.

This church in Cookville, Tennessee, Life's Way, they have taken these two chapters here in Second Corinthians, and they have moved on it, and they're into health care along with spiritual care. Yeah, because we're concerned about body, soul, and spirit. That's right. So to set this up, Jays, and to tell Dad, because he went here, on St. Corinthians 7, 5, last time, he's in 6, he's going to bring up that he's now talking about the Macedonian region, which is not just the Corinthian Church, but multiple churches of that region. He's talking about bringing them together. It's almost impossible to do. Very hard.

Bring churches together to do anything. And then he also brings up Titus because Titus is going to be the recipient of a lot of this help and support that are coming from these churches, not only to work with them, but also to help Paul. So I just wanted to set it up for you. Before I read it, yeah, before I read it, I will say this. There's two things that I want to say for I read this that stood out. that if you want people to give, because a lot of church leadership, they may listen to this podcast, I don't know.

It is. If you want people to give, you need to focus on grace. That's the number one thing I got out of this. Correct. And the second thing I got out of this. We just add a little bit to you, which goes with what we've already said,

you don't go around doing good. They're not doing this to help the poor, the people, the eyes, the heart, and then help them bother that. They're doing that not to be saved as if it's a work. Exactly. They're doing it because they are saved. And the grace of God teaches us to be this way.

Correct. Yeah, I love it. So I want to say that because, look, this flies in the face of these legalistic-type organizations that are trying to, through guilt, fireball, sermons, threatening of hell or reward, trying to get people to give based on something other than grace. That flies in the face of that. So if you're having trouble... They're trying to scare the hell out of this.

Well, right. Literally. Which can't be, John. I've heard these elaborate systems, because the second point I was going to make is, it doesn't discuss quantity of giving, but rather quality. It's not how much. Good point. It's where it's coming.

from and where it's going. And so you'll notice it. But just to prove the point, if I read a couple of verses, in one, he says, brothers, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedonian churches. So that's where we got the idea. It's a mission report, but it's also about giving because he says verse two, out of the most severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity.

To we're saying is, these people don't have much. They don't have much. And yet they were willing to give. But God's grace has been given, and it's caused generosity in rich generosity. And I think verse five becomes one of the bumper sticker themes where it says, Chapter 8, and they did not do as we expected, but they gave themselves. I like this phrase, first to the Lord and then to us in keeping with God's will. And I think that's an overall thing that should be viewed as giving.

You're giving first to the Lord. And then, because he's going to use it, because we're going to get to this. So how would you explain after reading that text? And he's going to talk about the money flows down to leadership, which they would be part of that, the apostles themselves. So in our case, like we don't, on Sunday mornings, the congregation, you are at, you're at White's Ferry Road. I'm at University across the river.

Jason's with another, what's the brothers? I kind of go back and forth, but I go to Christchurch. Yeah, but I'm just saying, so how do we explain the fact that we say, don't, don't, we're not taking any of your money. See, on Sundays, I don't go up there. I don't make any money at that. Do people try to give? No, they do give.

They do give. They do give. They do give. Is my point, Phil. Are you preaching grace? Yes, I am. They're going to get. Are there a lot of poor people there? A lot of poor people.

Well, you have. So we don't actually pass the plate where they put the money in. They're giving money. But they still give. Somebody's given. And the preacher is back there in the back after it's all over counting. Because I think that's the point. None of this goes to me because I said, I just, I just can't do it.

Well, you have plenty of money. You don't need it for the leadership. But you're also giving people the platform. the opportunity of what I think these are gospel ventures. How do you motivate people to be generous? I let them know right on the front end. None of this is going to me. Yeah, but I say that what the answer is.

Let's take a break. Is you preach grace and you use the money or you get people to share the vision of gospel presented ventures. That's what stirs people. Now, I've told you before, I've been in many things. I'm an impulse giver. You know, when I hear somebody get up and talk about their sharing Jesus over here and that and this, and I'm looking into it, bam, I'll just own the spot, put my money where my heart is.

But I want to read this because, look, verse 6 says, so we urge Titus since he had earlier made a beginning, earlier made a beginning to bring also to completion this act of grace on your part, just as you excel in everything in faith and speech and knowledge and complete earnestness, which is a throwback to what godly sorrow brings. Remember when he said that what earnestness that comes with that? And in your love for us, see that you also excel in this grace of giving. I mean, just bring it up. But now you see what's happened.

So God's grace has been given to you. Now you're extending that by giving grace to others. Grace leads to grace. That's what it means. That's what you're doing. Pretty well the bedrock of giving. That's exactly right. It's a grace act.

Well, then in verse 9, I think, is the model because he says, for you know, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. That's the model. I mean, this is the put an asterisk by that verse, that though he was rich, yet for your sake, he became poor so that through his poverty, you might become rich. He was rich, but it wasn't with dollar bills. Which we've already established that. We've gone through that before. I mean, do you think that's the model? I agree. And then I also didn't want you to miss that first line in verse eight, because this is where a lot of guys miss it in this day and age. I am not commanding you. How many times have you ever been in a place where it felt pretty commanded, pretty, pretty commanded? This is why I said it has to come from great. Why would he say that

in the middle of this. Exactly. I think that's an important phrase. Yeah, I didn't leave it. I was just picking up at my point. It's not like the law of Moses. You give a lot, you get a lot. It's not, that's not good thinking.

And look, by the way, so this is the concept here, I feel like, is part of the new covenant. Because if you go back, here's where people get hung up. You go back in the Old Testament. People were commanded to give. Yeah. It was very specific. The tithe was specific. Where it was supposed to go was specific.

I mean, I keep 90 and. That's right. Under the law, under the law. It's better than the government. Under the law, it was very specific. And people say, well, wait a minute. It's that same God of, you know, Old Testament, New Testament. So therefore, we can command and percentages and people take that forward.

But you miss something. You miss what Jesus did when he came. He, he, all that was nailed to the cross with him. Yep. Now it's about accepting his grace and extending that grace to other people. And, J.S., you're right. That brings quality, not quantity. Or, I don't even say that, because sometimes it brings tremendous quantity.

It does, but that wasn't his focus. It was not his focus. He wasn't trying to legal, do it from a legalistic way, and he wasn't trying to come up with some system with numbers that was commanded. And, I mean, I'm just vehemently opposed to that. Well, I challenge our audience, send me a verse where anywhere in the New Testament, there's a percentage. Well, I'll see.

That's why Jesus is. It's not there. You're going to have to go to the Old Testament. You got to go to the Old Testament good. And the reason Jesus was there that says, you know, you give more than they gave at 10%. Well, that's a good point, Phil. That limits. I said that one time in an argument, and I was immature, and I didn't go about it the right way.

But a guy was preaching, and he was a rigid mandate on what you should give, down to percentage. Percentage. And it was actually a reward system that was worked out in heaven. on how this would translate to what you give in the exact number. And I said, well, sir, you're limiting what I want to give. I wanted to give more than that. And it, which kind of sent him down a downward spiral of like, because nobody wants to say, oh, you were going to give more.

Which is funny, Jay's. And now I'm not. Yeah, now I'm going down in giving. I was trying to make a point that your logic does not. make sense because I wanted to give more, but now I'm not because you've trapped me into some kind of system that you manipulate. It's funny, Jay's, I never knew you said that, but several years ago, I came to this conclusion myself, and, you know, being a pastor, people come in and say, no, preacher, pastor, what, what do you think, how much should I give? Or they'll say, what is your,

what is your, you know, take on giving? And I said one word, more. And they're like, yeah, I know, but where do you, I said, more. Everything is more. I mean, I don't put it in a number, but I want to grow, or in this case, the verse says excel in the grace of getting. So Excel means we're going more. I mean, look, I feel like since this is taking a while, I'm going to, before I read 8, 10 through 15, because I want to, because I think you see the difference in God system and then

like a government program system. But I do want to skip ahead to make sure we get this. when he says in eight seven no nine seven chapter nine verse seven because this is our point i want to back this up in this moment which let me just read six he said whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly whoever sows generously will also reap generously and you say see it's an incentive driven thing oh wait each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give and we've already said he mentioned grace over and over and over and over that's a where that motive's coming from in your heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion.

For God loves a cheerful giver. And this is the verse that just makes me fired up. And God is able to make all grace abound to you so that in all things, at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. It goes on when it gets to 12, it says this service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of God's people, but it's overflowing, when you said more. It's overflowing, because I look these words up in the Greek. This word where it says it's not only supplying the needs of God's people, but is also overflowing.

It's like you're sitting down at a table and you're looking at the, food and you realize I'm going to have some leftovers. This is more than I can be sad. I can't possibly eat this. Yeah, and the leftovers are good because you're going to actually use that for other people. Hang on. I will say this. There's an old adage and it came from your mother and I, and we were discussing,

and we came up with a conclusion. Now, whether this works with everybody, I do not know. I'm not a financial wizard. I had no stretch of the imagination. But I told Ms. Kay, she was showing me what she was giving. And I was like, whoa, Miss Kay. And she said, you will agree. She said, the more we give, it seems like the more we get.

The more we're blessed. And I said, you know what? That's exactly what's happened. But you're not doing it to get. And what people think is, I said, well, I'm going to get a whole of him right now. and tell them that, you know, I could use 30,000, whatever, I could use 20,000. You ought to give it to me because, you know, the more you give. I need it.

The more you get. So they take advantage of that, but I'm just making a point here. That's the way it's happened in our family. Now, y'all can, y'all's got your own family. I'm seeing y'all. I'm thinking, well, the more you give, the more you get. It just seems like that's the way it is. I'm I dreaming or?

It is. Would you just dog luck, or is it the almighty? then keep up the good work. Well, you're reap what you're selling. I think that's it. Let's take a break. So I want to finish this because I think this is the main theme and I don't want to lose it and we can go backwards.

So in verse 12, he said, this service that you're performing is not only supplying the needs of God's people, but it's overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God because of the service by which you have provided yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ and for your generosity and sharing with them and with everyone else, which I love, because he's like, not this, your generosity, it's not based on what you're getting or what you're doing. This is overflowing into other people praising God. We're bringing churches together over this.

We're meeting the needs of people. And through that, more people are coming to Christ. Because of this, which is a gospel venture. This was all about a gospel venture. Hang on, before you read that, so to go back to Dad's point, so when he said, the more I give, the more I get, he's not talking about just money. I mean, sometimes it's about everything else.

That's right. So there's prosperity gospel that's going around, like, a certain percentage in, a bigger percentage back. It's not about the money. Yeah, the benefits here are people praising God. People coming to Christ. And then it says, and for your generalization, and sharing with them and with everyone else.

And in their prayers for you, their hearts will go out to you because of the surpassing, here we go again, grace, God has given you. And then he sums up the whole two chapters on addressing the churches coming together, taking care of these people's knees, the gospel being proclaimed. He sums it up by saying, thanks be to God for his indescribable gift, which is the whole point. And that word I looked up, and you're not going to believe

what that word indescribable means in the Greek language. And before I tell you the definition, I'll give you an illustration because I see it in the world because this whole thing has been a contrast between godly sorrow versus worldly sorrow. Worldly giving is I'm going to give.

Now, what am I getting returned? You just think, when you go down to the stock market and investing and all this. Any investment. We're investing here because of God's grace. We're investing in eternal things, which are people coming to Christ, way bigger than anything. Which means you might not see the return until eternity. And exactly.

And you think, well, how do I know what the difference in investing in eternal things and worldly things? If it can burn up, it's worldly. And I know it's illegal to burn money, but if it can burn, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in. Or rot, be destroyed. Think about it. How many people do we know who don't like banks, especially where we're from, bury their money, you know, under their bed or whatever, somewhere in the house?

Then a fire breakout. And it's like, I mean, we sat there. It actually happened. Yeah, remember the guy saying, we're watching the house burn. We tried to save it. Phil went in there and saved a few. Risked his life, yeah. And then he's like, I had all my money under the bed.

Burn up. Well, that wasn't very smart. but that you can't say that in that moment. No, because they're crushed, yeah. Have you heard about Jesus? That particular individual had a lot of silver, like coin, silver, and it just melted to a ball. Well, luckily, that was probably still used. But what I was going to say is, so you see worldly people, they'll say, you know,

they win a Super Bowl, and then they stick a mic in front of them and what they say, well, words can't describe, you know, how I feel right now. This is a dream come true. And they won a game. They got a trophy. Well, this word here, indescribable, it literally means there are no words in the English language. That but describe the indescribable. Well, God's grace, there are no words that can describe how great a gift it is, which I thought that was cool.

It is. You know, when I looked at that. Because that, because people say, well, how do I have that in my heart? how am I motivated? Because you're literally, you got a gift from a supernatural being who created the earth that is indescribable. This is you with a mic in your face. Describe the grace of God.

Now, that is the one time where you should be able to say, there are no words. I'm speechless because you can't come up with words that can describe it. But it does cause you to do really good things with the things God has blessed you in. and from his view, this should sum up giving. And it kind of excites me because I know this, that one little phrase that I read over when it said, because God is able, in verse 8 of 9, God is able to make all grace abound to you.

You're investing in God, you're invested in people coming to him, but when you give something to God, what do you think he's going to do with it? Yeah. A way better job than what you're going to do with it. I mean, to me, that's the point. Of course, you say, the old question. Let's take our last break.

Dale, question, Jace, what do you give the man who has everything? What do you give the God who literally has everything? All right. So I think in our last segment, I want to read this 8 through 10 through 15, because I do think it is interesting that out in the world, people who do not believe in God, they're on this search for equality, which we've already hit on it last podcast.

hit on it with the Colossians 3 about putting to death we come together grace where there's no Jew or Greek I read that Phil you weren't you aren't here but so here he he mentions it again of course he just laid the foundation in chapter 8 9 that Christ became poor so that we could become rich through his you know cross and resurrection so then in verse 10 it says so here's my advice about what is best for you in this matter last year you were the first not only to give, but also to have the desire to do so. And I love that he brings this up. Because before you give, he's making a condition on you've got to be willing to do it.

In verse 11, it says, now finish the work so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it according to your means. So he addresses it all. And it all started from grace. Grace makes you willing. He doesn't want you just to give, which is. the exact opposite what a lot of churches do. They're like, hey, you give because it's commanded to, and it's kind of like telling your kids, you know, because I said so.

Just give it to it. But he makes a point about you being willing, and he makes a bigger point about that willingness comes from God's grace. For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have. because ultimately he's getting it back to God is the one giving you all this anyway. Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be some equality. And so when you read that, you're like, well, this is what the world? You know, they're trying to bring out a socialistic society,

and they're having trouble doing it. But there we now all the things that get there, God's grace, the motivation, the willingness to do so. Yeah. They don't have the motivation nor the willingness. It's just like, let's pass a law. Right. It's not going to work. No, they're back to, Jay's, the command.

So what they're saying is, you know, and you know what they had to do, Jays, this current crop? They had to change the word from equality because that's a constitutional term. All men are created equal. Meaning all people are there, and then they have the right to pursue. So some of them will pursue and gain a lot. Some of them, not so much. But if we're really equal when we understand what Jason is talking about, we're going to have help. We're going to have compassion.

We're going to have grace. No, you know what you want to change the word to? Equity. Yeah. It's not equality. It's equity. So what that means is the tyrannical government says, you know what? You just got too much, we've decided.

So we're going to take that. All we want is half. We want to take half for ourselves. and then we want to take some more and give it over here where we think these people don't have enough. Now, that's equity by command and authority. You tell me how different that is from this concept we're talking about here, about loving people the way God love does. That's why I brought it up.

And so because that's why I said everything the world is searching for, and I mean the world as in, you know, through movies, they're trying to find equality and all these issues over gender and all. They're like, we just want to be one, but then they also want to acknowledge everything different about us in our little groups. And you're just like watching the hamster wheel go round and round with no origin, no purpose, and no plan for unity. It's not comical to watch because it's causing so much destruction. But it is like, we have all this. God has laid out this plan.

You remember, I thought about that verse when I was reading this in Ephesians where he tore down the wall of hostility between the Jews and Gentiles. I mean, he's done all this. We can find this common ground not only in our weaknesses and our sinful behavior and our perishable beings, but the answers to that in the grace he's given us, we're all under the same God's grace. We all need that. We all need that resurrection. We all need God's spirit. the power and the fruits that would make a better society. So then he says in verse 14,

at the present time your plenty will supply what they need so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be a quality. As it is written, he who gathered much did not have too much and he who gathered little did not have too little. And that goes back to the manna on the ground. We're back in the honey and the rock and the man on the ground. Exodus 16, the idea was he said, I want you to just get what you need.

And you can share with somebody, but don't try to get more than you need. And if somebody went out there and tried to get two basketfuls, they'd come in and one of them would be there the next morning, just like it should have been. The other one was full of maggots. Because he was like, nope. Yeah, but I read it a little different, too. I mean, I agree with what you said. I mean, that's what happened in the context. But I'm saying, like, whether you're younger, stronger people, they have the capacity.

to gather more quickly. And you don't necessarily need that, but you're looking over. I mean, it's kind of the same procedure we had when like this whole thing started over Mayhall tree. Same thing. Bill's always looking for somebody younger. Understandable. Get them faster and help the older people who like Mayhall jelly just as much as you do,

but they don't have the physical capacity to fill up as many barrels nor carry them. And so I think it's the same. Which is interesting, Jay. So when God made the law about them, he was thinking about the hoarders because it doesn't address it. But I would bet there were several cases like you're talking about where some young guy went over and said, this person's in the tent over here. They can't get out there and hardly get it picked up because they got authorized and says, let me pick up this for you to give to you.

There was no law against giving with a generous heart. There was a law against trying to take too much for yourself, which was the problem. I mean, look, it's a common theme in the Bible. And I just want to show you illustration, because I got to looking about this harvest. You know, there's a lot in there about that, what you sow, you reap, and you reap what you sow, I meant to say. But just look at this example. Now, this is, you know, since he used the illustration of the manor, I want to just pick out a random prophecy in Josea 10, 12. But just listen to how this is.

It is very random. Yeah. I mean, when the last time, someone read. I've been over at Josea 12, 10. Because I'm trying to say that there's a spiritual angle to this. The world is trying to obtain physical equality. And they're missing the point about the spirit, these God characteristics. That's what can make a vibrant society that feels like they're on equal footing.

And let me just read this. I mean, whether you know the context or not, let me just read what God said in how this applies. this is Josea 1012. So for yourselves, righteousness, reap the fruit of unfailing love. Just let your mind go there. What is the fruit of unfailing love? A lot of good things.

Yep. And break up your unplowed ground, for it is time to seek the Lord until he comes and showers righteousness on you. but you have planted wickedness. You have reaped evil. You have eaten the fruit of deception. And here's why.

Because you have depended on your own strength and on your many warriors. And really that's what it comes down to. You recognize, okay, everything is God's. He became poor in Jesus, gave up everything for me so I could be rich. And what does rich mean in Christ? you basically have everything he has which is everything and so in day to day life he showers you with blessings you're so thankful because of his grace that you that trickles down through you but if you go out there and start plowing your own field and you're like this is my field this is my stuff i i did this i'm gonna

what are you going to do build bigger barns hoard it when you're not sharing god's blessings nothing happens and at the end of the day, you die. Worldly sorrow ends in death, and then everybody argues about what we're going to do with your stuff. That is the cycle of the world. That's right. Versus we're over there instead of arguing, we're getting our tears wipe

because there's nothing to complain about living forever with everything God has. I mean, that's really the difference. And that's why you see worldly sorrow leads to death, just that very thing we talked about before we ever got. here. You ask yourself a question, which team am I on? I want to be on the Grace team. That's what I want to get picked for. You bet you. All right. We're out of time. We'll explore a little more of this in overtime,

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